PRO Producer vs PRO Guitarist (... not even close!)
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What would happen if you stacked MIDI Guitar vs a LIVE Session guitar player? I'm showing you the comparison between live and midi guitars in a real world production that I'll be releasing in the fall!
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Dude. this song is awesome. Had so much fun on this! Thanks for the call.
Always a real pleasure to see you work together !
You're ammazing. I looke your intuition for powered transitions in music
I am just a 16-year-old musician and I produce music just using my phone without using any other fancy equipments ( 'cause I can't afford it ). One day I will be a great music producer too, I will represent my country India internationally.
Thankyou Nathan, your videos are very interesting and helpful.
Lots of love
Virtual Guitars have come a long way the past 5 - 8 years. The use of those pre-programmed parts and patterns is a bit lazy, because with some virtual instruments you can tweak it much more to your liking and make it more human (timing, velocity etc.) The secret is to put some work and time into it. Devil's in the details. Some virtual guitars like UJAM and Native Instruments are great to get fast results when writing. But with virtual guitars like Electri6ty and Acou6tics from Vir2 and the Impact Soundworks Shreddage 3 guitars, you can program much more detailed performances. When you layer your guitars subtly with synth parts (like Howard Benson does for example) you can create awesome guitar parts and no one will believe you never touched a real guitar. (But you need to dive into adding modulation, vibrato, bends etc. with automation.) Golden age for producers who don't play guitar or don't play it well enough to get all the good chords and inversions etc. Another key to getting a great sound is layering different inversions, some virtual guitars let you place a capo on the neck or chose the neck position and string selection.
Dhanyawad khub khub dhanyawad🙏🏻🙏🏻
$$$$$ no peasants allowed.
Compared to the cost of keeping up-to-date, a session guitarist is cheaper. What's funny is that I'm a drummer but I program my drums in Logic 9 with its samples and with Goliath.
like you said, MIDI guitar has come a long way. not long ago, this would have sounded like a keyboard. great vid. gonna continue watching now.
Yep - I mean, when you see the live side by side the midi there is no comparison, but I love that Forest suggested to blend them together. Works so well
Great job man!!!
I love the live guitar more with a good mix like Nathan did, it sounds both realistic and professional altogether. And also the blend killed it!😀....thanks for this video!
GAHH those tones are beautiful on both the MIDI & the real guitars. Forest with those acoustic tones tho?! HOLY CRAP MAN!
Great video Nathan. I`d love to see a video of the nuts and bolts process using your keyboard and some of the details of how you got to the end result. I`m wondering what kind of learning curve there is in working with the program.
Lovely sounds when combined. Additional 12 string guitar very effective.
I really liked the live performance better than the standalone midi, but thought having them layered was awesome. I did think that the natural muted was a bit muddy, whereas the mini was much cleaner and had a bit more high-end, but as you stated, a bit of EQ clean up on the live muted probably made all the difference.
Enjoyed the comparison on this one more than the drum one, is I really like hearing the comparison between live instrumentation versus midi, rather than the previous one, which was more of a mix comparison.
That 12-string though, freaking beautiful and a killer add.
Well done, fellas
Loved the blend between midi and live guitar.
Great Job!!🎶🔥🇫🇷
Happy teacher's day sir
You have always been my greatest inspiration
Glad to have you in my life sir🥰
I like how both of you used different DAWs and still kept things together. I use Studio One 4 myself.
How do you like it? I'm afraid that one my trusty old Mac Pro 3,1 dies I'll be forced to migrate to an entirely different DAW. Bummer because I love Logic 9 despite not being able to use the cool new stuff...
@@leswhite3524 I really like Studio One (now up to version 5) but I feel it is what one gets used to which is the best DAW; which lets you be YOU.
Hey, do you have a link to listen to the whole song, just curious to hear how the whole thing sounds. Probably awesome,...has a good feel to it.
Yeah, I did. The 12 string also sounds sweet in the mix. I'm curious if you put the live guitar a little more forward then the midi guitar?
there are things about listening critically to the live guitar that can be applied to programmed VST's. Things like the legato notes on the lead, the stops on the acoustic chords, string noise, etc. I am not advocating doing away with live musicians, on the contrary (as a live player for nearly 40 years), but it can help to make our productions just that much better.
Nice! Pls keep going.
Damn I'd like to have a go at recording guitars for it as well! I love what Forest did but I was hearing something a little bit different for those arpeggio thingies
Well, on blending your MIDI with your friend's real guitar parts I would say a) up to a point adding another track is always likely to thicken and enrich the vibe and b) the acid test would be if your friend had cut a second complimentary real part himself. If I was a betting man I would wager that would easily have come out on top. Awesome tune btw, props to you both :)
Amazing
Damnn ! Thanks for making my day Nathan, love the music you creating!!! Hey from Sabah Malaysia 🇲🇾
I'm from Malaysia too!
It would have been interesting to see if you could match his guitar sound for the beginning with the MIDI, including the finger noise... A gate on a reverb tail to make the sound "pause" as well adds realism.
I like the tone of the midi guitar that he made though. Better for the mix and the vibe of the song.
Sounds like the guitarist is using the bridge pickup of his guitar, but I think the middle pickup position, which I believe the guitar vst is recorded in is way better suited.
In the intro part I'm talking about.
Also, I love seeing some love for Studio One! Best guy using the best DAW (no offense, Nathan 😜) jk your both are fantastic
It is very important to mix live instruments with midi. Especially on lead high gain solo guitar (natural/pick harmonics) and drums. Even you can mix it not only with VST plug-ins, but with exactly MIDI sounds like standard windows midi or whatever. Or even just the white noise for supporting the snare;)
I'd say mixing midi with live instruments is more of the exception than the rule. And there are definitely genres where you would almost never do this.
Haha so you did it man. I love it. Lets see who is better
Super, I also use the Sunburst Deluxe Plugin!
12 string is inspiring. Blending is definitely a good move, but gently does it.
Really cool man
Thanks! Appreciate it 💪
Fantastic....
I guess it depends on multiple things, but perhaps most on the place within the mix. If its merely some background fills, you can get away with quite a lot before anyone spots the "fake guitars". However, when it plays a more prominent role in your composition, i would not even blend them in and just stick with a good musician and his/her instrument. You could use it to line out the idea for a session guitarist though.
**Laughs in keyboard**
Tbh, I didn't even know midi guitar was getting so good. Obvs I prefer the live guitar, but damn they're starting to hold their own!
bro, where can i get those drum samples? im ready to pull the trigger on them
Forest Rules!!!!!
I like these series
Awesome! Plan on doing more!
I still hear "keyboards" with the samples, but they sure sound better than mine. You just can't beat quality playing of live guitars.
I'm pretty much stuck in Logic 9 because I can't afford a new Mac every six months. My midi guitars come from Goliath and I hate 'em. Apparently, I need to take a year off and surviving on Ramen to learn how to manipulate the attack.
Midi is preferrable in dance, pop, edm. I would not in use it in rock.
Mixing up the articulations/patches, humanizing the timing, and boosting fret noise on a MIDI guitar track also makes it sound more realistic. However, mixing in real guitar with MIDI guitar will always sound better, in my opinion.
You both really GooD producer
Thanks! Forest is a stud. There's a reason he has hit records
@@NathanJamesLarsen Learn so much from both of you! You guys doing great job
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MIDI guitar is good if you don’t have a guitar but a live guitar to me is better than a fake one!
Yes totally agree
I'm now in the process of learning bass and guitar so I can record it when making songs to make it sound more real? raw? authentic? :P
Absolutely! I CAN play guitar but I'm not nearly as proficient so I'd rather work with people like Forest who can do way better than me!
He also has access to more guitar options than me - I have one electric and one acoustic, but since this is what he does a LOT more than me - he has LOTS of guitars so he can dial tones in so much better than I ever could --> as you can see in the video!!
Sometimes it's not just having the ability to play but also the ability to dial in tones and get the best possible recording
Both good but I love the live guitar...the good thing in MIDI if you're not good enough or expert in playing guitar and other instruments...
NJL - Has anyone ever told you that you make this “stank face” when you are getting down with your own bad self?
*Hi Nathan, Wanted to know your opinion on this*
(as I want to make the kind of music you do)
*I’m looking for a good pop (jazz/funk/soul) brass*
there are so many options I don’t know what to choose,
I don’t need very complicated stuff and “all” the options (like VSL etc.)
but something I can rely on to enhance and drive the track,
something that I will not have to push back in the mix,
I already have Session horns pro,
(as I have the “Komplete 13 Ultimate Collectors Edition”
that I know you love) but it doesn’t do the job for me
(it leaks the… I don’t know what)
Would really appreciate your opinion
Hey tho is a tough one - often I layer the pop stuff with the orchestral stuff - so maybe use Session horns along side a more "orchestral" library. I haven't gotten too deep on the pop horn stuff. I have actually had live players come in whenever I can / it's not an option for everyone obviously.
I know EastWest has their Pop horns but I've never used it.
@@NathanJamesLarsen Thank you, never tried to mix in "orchestral horns"
for a pop song, but it sounds like an amazing idea (in the right context)
*let me ask you this:*
are you using the orchestral horns for more
“background” and “legato” notes, and “pop horns” for upfront stuff?
also: if one day you try out a pop horn VST
(For instance, EastWest Hollywood Pop Brass)
I would REEAALLY want to know your opinion on it,
your opinion matters to me the most
because you’re a real professional producer,
and not another reviewer,
so you know what works and what doesn't
Hmmm it depends on what I'm doing. I do a lot of cinematic pop stuff so I do use orchestral horns upfront and stuff too but the vibe is different. But if it's more of a pop track is probably lean harder on the pop horns and usually would not use them melodic stuff cause that's where the realism just dies. I use it for hits and stabs. And then more background effect rather than upfront and melodic. Melodies are super hard with session horns cause there's not true legato feel. The orchestral horns definitely do better with melodies.
@@NathanJamesLarsen Thanks for the long informative answer
BTW: for a long time I was thinking that
*This is the order of importance:*
1, Effects plugins
2, Mixing skills
3, Sample libraries & Synthezeisers
4, Arranging/Producing skills
now (after listening to you for so long) I know better,
*I flipped it upside down*
it's such a different approach,
I stopped watching mixing tutorials
(as I realized that I know all the basics, and I'm just spending hours
because "Maybe" I will find another little trick that will open up everything)
Excelent. It's not the same thing but it's cool to
Acoustic the best this guy is awesome
I just discovered your channel yesterday and subscribed immediately. Excellent video's.
I was waiting to hear the final production of this song. I sounds so great.
Same!
I want to see a breakdown of the song
That is the beauty of being the producer. You get to do whatever you want to make it sound better. Get the human character in the real guitars and the extra clean shimmery ness that you can only get from a computer and mix them together to make something that is greater as a whole then the some of its parts.
Totally agree!
It doesnt matter to me which one sounds better. I will always choose the artist/musician over a computer programmer. I like it real.
Lets collab for a video 😄
Midi instruments are great, but when I use them I usually don't think of them as a replacement for the actual instrument, they're just another sound in the soundscape. For me, if the goal is to include guitar, just record a real guitar. Doing all the minor tweaks to get a midi guitar to sound like a real guitar is going to remove you from the organic process, as it's no longer a performance, it's surgery. When you're playing a guitar, all the nuances are unconscious, and all you're focusing on is conveying emotion. But hey, in the end, if it sounds good, it's good so do what you want, it's your music!
anything forest does is MAGIC.
Agree 100%
Interesting video, but you volumes are off. I can hear you talk no problem, but when you play thee track, it's really low.
remind me of deadmau5 monophobia
Waiting for the strings comparison 😁
But seriously, I would add strings in the last chorus
Can't touch live guitar. So much expression control on the attack, and so many harmonics. There's an entire industry built around turning a terrible uncompressed mono signal into an unbelievable stereo sound.
But with all due respect the guitarist has a lot of unnessesary and unwanted squicks which makes me doubt the skill, tho the production is nice, guys, thank you.
Y played the same chords just out of being curious. Was real nice to play along wit hu guys cheers.
Yo
YO!!
Heyyyy, someone else who uses Studio One.
After years of playing with MIDI guitars, I can say MIDI Guitars are only viable for leads if you carefully treat it,but for rhythm? Hell no, live guitar can't be replicated.
Hmmm interesting - some of the midi options now have full blown patterns that are actually recorded and you trigger with midi. Those are much more effective than typical "melodic" patterns, because they are legitimately recordings of a pattern not spliced. However, I will say it is VERY hard - and it also really depends on the genre. It's this way with many things with MIDI - midi strings can work super well in some genres and horribly in others - even with great programming and great samples.
@@NathanJamesLarsen right, some type of music does work with MIDI, but for my case where guitar are the main instruments, it doesn't work well unfortunately.
It's probably just my taste, but all the effects and everything, for me, just remove all the character of the instruments. Perhaps my ear just isn't developed enough, but I could barely distinguish the real recordings from the midi after the processing.
What do you mean the midi guitar doesn’t sound bad? Lmao
Lol. There's a reason I brought a guitarist in. But that doesn't mean it sounds "bad" - have you heard what guitar samples used to sound like? Lol
Acoustic sounds good, electrics sounds fake. I can always tell when they don’t use real amps
The only thing u did with forest's parts. U destroyed it. For me, u use way way too much filters and stuff on a naturell sounding instrument. If this is the reason, u call your self a pro, i am happy to be a noob with good ears.
The point isn't for the instrument to sound good "by itself"--> it has to actually tonally fit the production. By removing the lows - it actually allows the bass to not be conflicting with the guitars - which is actually a huge mistake beginners make.
I call myself a pro because I do this for a living 🤷♂️
@@NathanJamesLarsen I think, your approximation to the result is wrong. i mean, u take real instruments into your creation, to make it sound more realisticly. But on the other hand, they have to fit with the AI of the song. You better should fix that electronical shit, to fit with the real instruments.
@@NathanJamesLarsen And i forgot, the whole song u`ve made ist absolutly insane, but i still struggle with a few details in it. keep it up man.