A fair review. I enjoyed the route but then again I didn't take an in depth look at most of the stations to see these glaring errors. Always love your reviews even if I don't comment
I'd get this if The trains were good The route is actually finished The platforms... Basically if they actually spent a bit more time and released it in like a few weeks I'd have got it.
I didn't even have to watch the whole video to know that you were gonna be angry. Btw keep up the good reviews! I'm too lazy to go and check DTG myself....
Another note for the 350... Shrewsbury is listed as a destination... even though LM only operated 170's in Shrewsbury in the 2010s... and also because of the fact that there is no OHLE within at least 1,414sq miles of Shrewsbury (west). Sooo big whoopsie Dovetail
I had high hopes and so did a lot of people. What a disappointment this TS21 route was. Hope the update actually does it justice. Dunno about the trains and if they can be saved-
Spot on about WCML South. Could have emphasized the terrible frame rate on this route a bit more I suppose. However, I have had fewer crashes with this TS2021 so far. Hopefully the bug fixes are real. Bugs, error trapping and program optimization have always been the most important for me. Maybe 2021 is a step in the right direction.
Hah I only paid £18 for this route AND Fife Circle; thank you Steam Sale + TS2021 Deluxe Bundle (the only way you should buy it; cheaper than buying the route itself) - I enjoy it tbf (I believe the updates have done a decent job as I didn't notice much issues myself), as I completed all passenger scenarios without issues and quick-drive has a great variety of AI so I don't have to worry too much about making more scenarios!
I was wondering if you could merge this route with the trent valley so i could go direct from Euston to stafford , are you able to do that as i might buy the trent valley route also.
I think this route is a great showcase for how disconnected DTG's corporate is from the dev team. There's a few things about your review I don't agree with though. 1. The Virgin logo on the front painted yellow. Some 390's, at least, did still have a mark for where the Virgin logo used to be on the front. Whether or not they still do I'm not sure, as I've not seen a Class 390 for some time irl, but you can notice on some of them where the logo used to be. 2. The London Midland license. Whilst I find it odd that they still have a valid license for it, as you mention it's largely down to licensing. It could also be the case that West Midlands Railway haven't allowed DTG to use their licensing, but I don't really think that's too big of an issue. At least it has a brand on it. 3. The Class 221 livery. Again, this is largely down to licensing. Sam has mentioned on stream, the TOCs themselves have some strict guidelines on what the liveries on the in game units look like. So, despite the livery not being quite right (I've not really seen the fully liveried 221 in a while tbf so I can't remember exactly what it looks like) it was probably a requirement by Avanti. 3a. The same applies with the 390 and potentially why a plain white livery wasn't available, as there's a possibility Avanti didn't allow it. I'm not 100% sure how likely that is, but it's possible that is the case. There tends to be very strict licensing guidelines DTG would have to follow with what they can put in the game. Otherwise a good review :) tbf I'm holding back on this one until DTG have fixed it. I'm glad they acknowledged their mistake and that they will hopefully be fixing this route. How this route in it's current form could be seen by anyone from DTG as acceptable, I have no idea, and how it was released is another mystery in and of itself. But I do appreciate DTGs acknowledgement of the mistakes they have made and their intention to fix things :)
7:00. Yaw, Here is an extra nitpick. The 350/2 (top left) is wrong. That is because in real life, you get a mix of a lighter green varient along with the green varient. The 350/3s (top right) is also bad because the lighting for the luggage racks is very dark. And all the other units are well lit. Also, the moquette is much brighter than that. (Facepalm) The only perfect one is the 350/1 albeit the moquette detail could be better and a little bit more worn out as the ex-silverlink trains IRL are worn out. P.S Yawwie, the amount of flaws dovetail games has made on the WCML made me laugh.
I believe it looks terrible because I live near wootton basset in swindon wilts and the stone terminal is crap aka it's just a stupid line verging off in TS (this is the JT western mainlines I'm talking about!)
careful now you'll upset a certain john101 with commentary like this. but in all seriousness, this could've been a decent route. if only dtg had given it some time and just honestly delayed this route for a future dlc, i could've enjoyed it. but no, in dtg fashion, they rush it out like there's no tomorrow, hence an unfinished and unoptimized route. devs behind it got screwed big time. i'm still in the camp that they should've left the variation for this year and worked on the core itself, but if they can sort this route out and make it work as intended, with little to no flaw, i can give them props for that.
same here, so hoping by the time i get back home off my hols DTG will have done quite a bit to improve it especially the foggy start at Euston, as thats what Alan Thompson had on his when he showed it us the other day and it was hopping mad and said he was going to be having words about the state of the Avanti route
Bought it on sale yesterday and it's much better than shown in the videos when it first got released. I don't like the 377 it's the same as the Chatham mainline for goodness sake. My favourite train has to be the 390. The 350 supplied is meh. I will definitely get the AP enhancements for the 221,377,350 and 390 next year to enhance it. 👍🏻😁
I know who needs criticism, AP needs a hell of alot of it for example the class 377/375 EH and the Class 465 EH and the 365 EH, someday AP will come across this video and know that they need to fix there ways and take criticism for once.
I got train simulator 2021 for free and got the wcml and the london Midland routes where broken because I can't drive it but the voygare was not there but the class 390 and the class 66 would only work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A fair review. I enjoyed the route but then again I didn't take an in depth look at most of the stations to see these glaring errors. Always love your reviews even if I don't comment
Yay Yawwie!
That's a shit and a bumper sticker.
I'd get this if
The trains were good
The route is actually finished
The platforms...
Basically if they actually spent a bit more time and released it in like a few weeks I'd have got it.
LMFAO at the DTG Dev/Management Clip!!! Great vid man.
London euston looks like Parking lot
😂😂
London euston looks like Parking lot
I have only been to paddington
I have only been to paddington
Car park! get it right!
I didn't even have to watch the whole video to know that you were gonna be angry. Btw keep up the good reviews! I'm too lazy to go and check DTG myself....
Yawwie reviews = amazing and hilarious 😂👌
Good to hear theyre working on fixes, maybe I'll buy it then if they're okay...
Love these vids their so hilarious keep up the great work Yawwie 😁
I have to admit you do make such amazing funny videos. Keep up the good work Yawwie 😂😂
01:43 I believe Avanti have announced they are going to put that livery on the voyagers so it is now technically correct, but wrong at the time.
Still rong
Another note for the 350... Shrewsbury is listed as a destination... even though LM only operated 170's in Shrewsbury in the 2010s... and also because of the fact that there is no OHLE within at least 1,414sq miles of Shrewsbury (west). Sooo big whoopsie Dovetail
I had high hopes and so did a lot of people. What a disappointment this TS21 route was. Hope the update actually does it justice. Dunno about the trains and if they can be saved-
Well this is my opinions on if you could save the trains:
350 eh I guess
390 yes
66 yes
221 *n* *o*
378 no
Container flats yes
377 kinda
dont have high hopes for anything DTG do
If that route was a restaurant it will be on Hells Kitchen and If it was a hotel it will be on Hotel Hell. Someone get Gordon Ramsey for me
I'm glad that stechford is on there
I really love my history teacher - Mr Amankona
Yes good to be back yawwie
4:19: It's Headstone Lane, and from what I can recall, there is no staircase on the roadside
great vid mr yawwie brother
They have updated the route can you please review it
Tbh the most enjoyment i got from this route was that A-posing man at Wembley central xD
As much as I would probably enjoy this route in Train Sim, it ain’t worth its price
1:45 they actually predicted the new AWC livery for the 221s IRL... sort of.
or AWC told them a future secret.
Great vid! Off to recommend this game to Pewdiepie!
Omg I was laughing sooo hard this was all spot on.
I've only been waiting years for this to come out. My disappointment in DTG is complete.
Spot on about WCML South. Could have emphasized the terrible frame rate on this route a bit more I suppose.
However, I have had fewer crashes with this TS2021 so far. Hopefully the bug fixes are real. Bugs, error trapping and program optimization have always been the most important for me. Maybe 2021 is a step in the right direction.
Does anyone know how to get the 350 moving?
yawwie your the best reviewing stuff the best
Hah I only paid £18 for this route AND Fife Circle; thank you Steam Sale + TS2021 Deluxe Bundle (the only way you should buy it; cheaper than buying the route itself) - I enjoy it tbf (I believe the updates have done a decent job as I didn't notice much issues myself), as I completed all passenger scenarios without issues and quick-drive has a great variety of AI so I don't have to worry too much about making more scenarios!
These videos are funny as heck
Guess what, i saw a Voyager in Avanti West Coast livery
Great stuff, I was get it on Saturday, oh well better luck next time.
Where did the extra syllable in “Dovetail” come from?
Does anyone know if the route has since been improved? Because i'm looking to get the deluxe pack for train simulator
I was wondering if you could merge this route with the trent valley so i could go direct from Euston to stafford , are you able to do that as i might buy the trent valley route also.
Funny thing the AWC 221 isn't actually fictional
Yawwie how have you got notched throttle. Mine is stuck on percentage
I think this route is a great showcase for how disconnected DTG's corporate is from the dev team. There's a few things about your review I don't agree with though.
1. The Virgin logo on the front painted yellow. Some 390's, at least, did still have a mark for where the Virgin logo used to be on the front. Whether or not they still do I'm not sure, as I've not seen a Class 390 for some time irl, but you can notice on some of them where the logo used to be.
2. The London Midland license. Whilst I find it odd that they still have a valid license for it, as you mention it's largely down to licensing. It could also be the case that West Midlands Railway haven't allowed DTG to use their licensing, but I don't really think that's too big of an issue. At least it has a brand on it.
3. The Class 221 livery. Again, this is largely down to licensing. Sam has mentioned on stream, the TOCs themselves have some strict guidelines on what the liveries on the in game units look like. So, despite the livery not being quite right (I've not really seen the fully liveried 221 in a while tbf so I can't remember exactly what it looks like) it was probably a requirement by Avanti.
3a. The same applies with the 390 and potentially why a plain white livery wasn't available, as there's a possibility Avanti didn't allow it. I'm not 100% sure how likely that is, but it's possible that is the case. There tends to be very strict licensing guidelines DTG would have to follow with what they can put in the game.
Otherwise a good review :) tbf I'm holding back on this one until DTG have fixed it. I'm glad they acknowledged their mistake and that they will hopefully be fixing this route. How this route in it's current form could be seen by anyone from DTG as acceptable, I have no idea, and how it was released is another mystery in and of itself. But I do appreciate DTGs acknowledgement of the mistakes they have made and their intention to fix things :)
350 has London Midland livery and London North Western Railway Livery
7:00.
Yaw, Here is an extra nitpick. The 350/2 (top left) is wrong. That is because in real life, you get a mix of a lighter green varient along with the green varient.
The 350/3s (top right) is also bad because the lighting for the luggage racks is very dark. And all the other units are well lit. Also, the moquette is much brighter than that. (Facepalm)
The only perfect one is the 350/1 albeit the moquette detail could be better and a little bit more worn out as the ex-silverlink trains IRL are worn out.
P.S Yawwie, the amount of flaws dovetail games has made on the WCML made me laugh.
1:42 those 221 units are actually in the livery 😁👍
Love your vids!
Good thing I got the 450 ap pack last year
What the outro music?
How did you get the Silky Virgin Class 390 Livery? I really want to know!
Entertaining review
I believe it looks terrible because I live near wootton basset in swindon wilts and the stone terminal is crap aka it's just a stupid line verging off in TS (this is the JT western mainlines I'm talking about!)
What's ur the best pc specs for train sim 2021
???? Mhm
ooh yes a new yawwie video, here we go 😂
Will u do Yawwie News?
The 11 car pendolino has 3 pantographs instead of 2
And the set numbers don't match
One end could be 390039 then the other end is 390043
Better than the Mobile train sim, pantograph on EVERY coach on the pendolino (apart from the driving coaches)
yawwie is alive yay
I would have this but I have a route that Dovetail put effort into (London to Brighton)
08:15 XD
Roses are red, violence are blue. 😁
Roses are red
Violets are blue
TS2021 is a microwave
Euston To Milton Keynes is Coming As Part Of Train Sim World 5 Let's hope it is better than that
0:04 I suppose you like Dathings's YTPs?
Spot on review but failed to mention the massive framerate issue with the 390. I'm using one of NASA's supercomputers and it pulling 17FPS max
Yawwie do you have discord
4:14 Headstone Lane
Birmingham New Street looks about as unrealistic as Victoria did on the BML route
Im not sure if I should still invest in Train sim in general or just pour the money into TSW2 .....when its satisfactory
Personally, I would not recommend TSW2 over Train Sim, but it's your choice
Atm neither. But TS2021 has more going for it than TSW2
@@NSE465 I see what you mean now.....since I have numerous train sim DLCs , I'll stick with train sim then
Is that route included in the game
For next Q&A: least favorite tube train
When's the next video?
The sky looks like the sky from train simulator 2015
The voyagers have the avanti livery in real life
The roof of the train is red. The livery is still RONG.
careful now you'll upset a certain john101 with commentary like this.
but in all seriousness, this could've been a decent route. if only dtg had given it some time and just honestly delayed this route for a future dlc, i could've enjoyed it. but no, in dtg fashion, they rush it out like there's no tomorrow, hence an unfinished and unoptimized route. devs behind it got screwed big time.
i'm still in the camp that they should've left the variation for this year and worked on the core itself, but if they can sort this route out and make it work as intended, with little to no flaw, i can give them props for that.
I'm not getting this until it's improved!
same here, so hoping by the time i get back home off my hols DTG will have done quite a bit to improve it especially the foggy start at Euston, as thats what Alan Thompson had on his when he showed it us the other day and it was hopping mad and said he was going to be having words about the state of the Avanti route
Bought it on sale yesterday and it's much better than shown in the videos when it first got released. I don't like the 377 it's the same as the Chatham mainline for goodness sake. My favourite train has to be the 390. The 350 supplied is meh. I will definitely get the AP enhancements for the 221,377,350 and 390 next year to enhance it. 👍🏻😁
Mind the gap pls no no seriously Mind the gap no no wait wait. 4:59
Has the DTG Dev payed for his new microwave yet?
The voyager class 221 is not in fictional livery I saw the class 221 in that livery 14 times
It didn't exist when this video was made.
erm its £35.99 for the delux as the Avanti train on the WCML South is only available in the delux
That’s not the point
4:14 📷📸
Yawwie the Class 317 is out i bet your brain is just pissed off about the sounds that have been reused on the previous Class 319 and now on the 317.
I know who needs criticism, AP needs a hell of alot of it for example the class 377/375 EH and the Class 465 EH and the 365 EH, someday AP will come across this video and know that they need to fix there ways and take criticism for once.
Yawwie News 5!
You should make an angry yawwie drawing for rubbish like this!
And as much as I would like to talk about the changes i wont...... because theirs nothing changed.
RONG in Estonian means Train
OMG TS2021 is out
:( no comments:(
also yawwie smels like root beer
1. He doesn’t smell like root beer he smells like bread
2. Look at my featured video on my channel
I got train simulator 2021 for free and got the wcml and the london Midland routes where broken because I can't drive it but the voygare was not there but the class 390 and the class 66 would only work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it was at least £9.99 I would then say it’s worth it but £24.99 that’s rediculous
I got it for €8.81
*"RONG"*
I’m dying 😂😂
1:43
The only good WCML route in my opinion is WCML Over Sharp.
Please more yawwie news
You misspelt "Wrong" as "rong".
Do you know what's a joke?
rong
DID YOU SAY "HARWOOD"? If so you know my last name.....
So, yawwie.... what I think you trying to say about this route is that it’s...
rong.
Tbh amstrong powerhouse could of done better
Pls make more news videos it’s more funny 😄
Oh so you like train sim?
Name every route in the game
Smh my head
Yawwie it's pronaúced "dove tail" games
U forgot to look at Leighton Buzzard
tbh ts2021 kinda feels like a waste of money
Bruh I'm going to tsw2 Let me refund TS2021 and get TSW2 Dovetail is a disappointment.
If you think TS2021 is a disappointment
TSW2 will make u cry
@@Drone3774 It looks nice
Delta And Qatars Transport Adventures it looks good but its wrong
And actually TS2021 is better
@@Drone3774 Ok then thanks for the feedback I have it and now I'm buying only AP Packs
@@Drone3774 Maybe I might try TSW2
*rong*
221 is nice ngl
*rong*
The free version on ATS is much better
Link?
@@ItzHussain only just seen the comment lol