I loved this. I'm enfp, and so many people miss the depth that enfps can have, especially for causes. You have such great analyses of these characters. Really looking forward to more.
Thank you so much! Thanks to all the positive feedback I've received on the video so far I'm putting part 2 on the list :) Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed the guitar parts!
I keep checking in and every day I feel like you double in subscribers! Insane man! Loving the video so far and in agreement on Frodos type! 💕You see how important his relationships are to him as well as his individualism, he is truly a campaigner who does his best doing the right thing while being true to himself. And yes we do underestimate the influence of the One Ring on his energy.
Haha thanks man! The majority of the growth has come from bigger channels sharing my content, particularly you and David Badurina, for which I'm super appreciative! Yess Frodo is a true campaigner and fits neatly into that ENFP stereotype, and even with the One Ring he still kicked ass!
The concise explanations in this video, as well as your others, continues to illustrate to me that you are one of the most accurate "typists" that I am aware of. I continue to learn something every time I watch one of your videos, Harry. THANK YOU ^_^
Man, hearing that Frodo is an ENFP just made me feel so much more for him than I already did. Being an ENFP myself, I relate to being a yes person and giving everything for a cause I believe in, but man, it hurts so freaking much to see his suffering and his distance during the movies. It hurts to see him hurting internally man. It already hurt before, but putting myself in his place now, it hurts so darn more.
I miss videos like this.. 2 years in CPT and to me, these are most helpful to grasp the ambiguous theory into concrete form! I’m hopeful for similar contents but also excited for your new ideas to come 😊🎉
as an infp myself, I always thought that Frodo was an infp and now I feel very bad for not having considered how much the Ring may have affected his personality and his mental health. Even after many years Frodo is no longer the same person as before, the experience has changed him forever and it's heartbreaking to think of the playful and carefree person who was at the beginning of the film.
Hi, from book I can assure you he is infp in the book, his only friends were his cousins and gardener for 17 years, also he is not to prone to be proactive like an enfp
This is why this channel is so good. There are so many misstypes online but few take the time to investigate the details, the extenuating circumstances that may make a type present as another, such as Frodo always being typed as an INFP. It's understandable why that is so common, but it's only based on the state Frodo is in after the burden of the ring has weighed him down. The fact you could explain his real type speaks to your expertise in understanding the cognitive functions.
Oh my i love everything about this video😭❤️ I'm living for Bilbo's analysis! ENFP frodo is making me so emotional lol, also it finally makes sense, it bothered me so much that he was always typed as an INFP based on the analysis of his altered behaviour throughout the movies, it just doesn't make sense to type him (and characters with this kind of trope in general) for how he acts while under the influence of the ring. Knowing that he is an ENFP and seeing how he acts in the movies hurts so much😂 This is perfect, the guitar playing, the analysis and the passion you put into it is really refreshing It would be so cool if you ever decided to make more series like this... they are so entertaining, fun and informative! Would be great to have a real analysis of some characters. Online you only find the presumed mbti type without any explanation as to why they typed them that way, or just superficial ones.. On my way to watch the other 2 parts, thanks for the video!💜💚
Oh my goodness, the bit from 6:37 really got me 😭💔 you described their relationship so beautifully. I actually didn't know you were a massive LOTR fan. The first one came out when I was 12 and I went to see it 6 times at the cinema 😅 I absolutely LOVE them. I even went to Collectormania each year to meet the cast - best memories! 🤓
I don’t have as much of a background in MBTI to qualify any judgments of what these character’s types are, but I will say listening to your reasoning as to why each character is that type adds so much more depth to a story I am deeply invested in. Please keep making more of these videos. I’m sure as time goes on, I’ll develop more of an opinion and respond more thoroughly. Also, I loved the guitar cameos! How often do you get around to playing guitar?
This is absolutely fantastic to hear!! It really warms me to know my analysis can actually add to the experience of the story. I will be making more :) Re: guitar - thanks! The guitar content in this video was from when I played 2-3 hours every day, but now I tend to play an hour every day - I love my music channel and my supporters there, but my primary focus is here :)
Cognitive Personality Theory Ah! I can’t wait!!! I had no idea you had a music channel. I mean, you put in so much effort to respond and speak to all of us, it is very telling of the intention and investment you put into all of your work in general. Well, I would love to check out the music channel, if I could! It would be lovely to listen to what you’ve played in full there. I’m sure I would enjoy it a lot, given the work I’ve seen here, too. :)
I would be excited to see more videos like this! Your evaluations look air-tight, so that's good - although my favorite typing of Frodo is INFJ... I feel like the movies portrayed him as more of an extrovert; possibly to speed along the story... I miss the conflicted nature of book Frodo
I find it would be more interesting if you typed non fictional persons, so it gives us a real life representation of how you perceive the types to be like in real life. Types in your system at least come across as possibly different than in a lot of other systems, so it would be interesting to see which person you would type as which type and why. It would give us a sense of perspective and a way to compare your system to others better. The problem with fictional characters is that they are (as you mention) less complex than real people. However, I find the problem not that they're more simplistic than real people, but rather that they problably do not really fully fit into any type perfectly, as characters in stories for example sometimes also do things in order to push the story forwards. A character might be like one thing with a certain writer and different with another. Of course with LOTR the writer is the same person, which is good.
100% agreed! I have been thinking about this too, and have considered celebrity interviews as some possible source material. As you say, it would be effective to explain my system alongside real life examples. Thanks for your comment and suggestions!
Maybe I'm so introverted because I'm always struggling with my own worst enemy: myself. Part of me hates myself and is highly critical, pessimistic and fearful. The other part of me is creative, energetic, fun-loving and caring. These two sides are always fighting each other. I really relate to Sam in the movies and in the novels. I understand Sam's viewpoint and personality as it is portrayed in the stories. Your description of Frodo and Sam's friendship is so right on. I love it.
Awesome! As an INFJ, I've always loved the Hobbit and Lord of the rings. Be great to see you analyse the wizards as a video too. Interested in type of personality of Aragorn, I thought he may have been INFJ but I appreciate your analysis of the characters,they seem pretty much spot on! 😊
Can't say I'm a LOTR geek but I thoroughly enjoy this video! Love to hear you analyse something you are super passionate about and look forward to more :)
I also want to add that the part where Frodo forces Sam to dance is truly telling--an infp wouldn't have made the decision for him if their advice wasn't initially taken.
Thank you so much! That means a lot especially with you not being a huge LOTR fan in the first place - thanks to the feedback I've been receiving I can confirm I'll be making more :) Re: Frodo pushing Sam to dance - yes, totally agree! ENFPs are so much more comfortable making decisions on behalf of others, and their comparatively more mischevious streak makes them break the usual social etiquette if they know it to be in the other party's interest.
@@senshi4071 I agree ! I'm not a LOTR fan either but there was something to be found in the depiction of archetypal figures. And I also agree with you when you say that Harry's passion for the subject shows !
This was so much fun🎉 As a newly retyped ENTP from an ENFJ I related to your breakdown of Bilbo sooooo well. The part where you highlighted the darkness in Bilbo that came out and was quickly followed by shame, I was like, "😮 that's me!" Harry, thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you're doing. Your videos are helping me heal from a lifetime of masking. I would like to add that as an ENTP that unmasking is soooo uncomfortable and terrifying many times. People say they have those "embarrassing" dreams of being naked in public and how terrible that is... Well for me unmasking feels like it's not clothes I'm missing but my skin and my soul is exposed. If you have any recommendations on how to navigate that, I'm all ears. God bless ❤
The guitar playing! It's so... Makes you stop any sense of speed you had and takes you along with itself, at its pace, trying niether to attract by the promise of something, nor to impress by its own good opinion of itself, just, existing, not even prettily, but just being and being so comfortably and balancedly.... I want to say it was beautiful, but it is not heartwarming as the things I usually call beautiful .... It is mind warming, it is this beautiful feeling of balance, but not tranquillity, like swaying in a stable equilibrium at moody frequencies... Yet all seeming only different manifestations of a single one.... It was beautiful
Hi Harry, Never seen, nor read, lotr and you've made me want to watch it. This was interesting. Great to hear things in a concrete way, not just theory, as I seem to need the examples to understand the theory. Glad your eye is better.
I'm super pleased to hear this! They're truly amazing films, couldn't recommend them enough. I was hoping this example-based approach would help render something abstract more concrete :) Thanks! This was actually shot shortly before the accident but, thankfully, my eye is indeed better now!
I just can't believe your description of Bilbo, it's incredible. I've always been quite sceptical about MBTI cos it didn't felt "just" on a logical approach. And now I encounter your approach of the CPT, and everything makes sense, everything feels coherent and just. And your description of Bilbo, it just felt like you knew me deeply. I'm upset... I'm never upset !
I'm admittedly writing this before I watch the video, but I just wanna say that the movie doesn't capture the personalities of the characters as the books do, in many cases. After watching, I'd like to say I really enjoyed this video. I never would have considered Bilbo as an ENTP, but I can totally see it now. Amazing! As a probable INFJ, I've always related the most to Gandalf, but possibly even more to Treebeard. I don't supposed you'd consider typing the chief ent?
Thank you!! Oh yes I totally agree the movie had some very different versions of the characters to the book - it's fair to say this is more of a movie analysis :) So glad you can also see Bilbo as an ENTP! I relate to Gandalf the Grey a lot too, and definitely know INFJs who are more like Treebeard - I'll likely not cover the ent leader in the next episode but may very well do another episode thereafter!
Bilbo is an ISFJ. If you look at the books and the Hobbit, he acts the way he does because he is Si gripping. His adventure was built upon him learning to develop his inferior function (Ne). After he comes back he goes back to the normal hobbit way of life (which is very Si) and eventually gets fed up with the long life the ring gave him. So on his birthday in LOTR he throws down a party and leaves everything , to chase that Ne feeling of adventure he left behind.
I think this may be more of a culture thing - I like your angle, but most Hobbits under that theory would be ISFJs, whereas I would argue Bilbo always had an Ne predisposition, which Gandalf of course nurtured; on scale to other Hobbits I would classify both Bilbo and Frodo as Ne dominants :)
@@CognitivePersonality I think Frodo was much more open to the whole ''adventuring'' business, maybe because of the influence Bilbo had on him which is why i agree he is ENFP (or INFP). I can sort of buy the ENTP Bilbo typing if we take LOTR in a vacuum, but read again the first few chapters of the Hobbit or watch the start of the movies. Would an ENTP act the way Bilbo did at the dwarves arriving/dinner scene? He is reasonably confused/concerned about strangers coming into his house, but he still remains extremely polite and goes along with the dwarves acting like they own the place. His attempts of arguing against their actions/preventing other dwarves from coming in are extremely mild. When he finally leaves on his grand adventure, the first thought he has is forgetting his handkerchief. Now you can argue that he acted the way he did because he was under extreme stress/threat from multiple armed strangers coming into his home, but surely an ENTP would do something a bit more different than ''comply and hope they go away''. And yes i do believe Hobbits are a very Si culture but not limited to ISFJs. More like SJ's. You can reasonably type some of the Hobbits like Rossie as ESFJ, Sackville-Baggins as ESTJ and that grumpy one in Fellowship as ISTJ :). Merry, Pippin,Sam and Frodo are the exceptions not the rule. They went out and saved the world, they came back and defeated Saruman. But Bilbo himself is the OG, he is the character other Hobbits are based on. His is the story of the ''In a hole in the ground, there lived a Hobbit'' overcoming his innate psychology and doing something which no other Hobbit has ever done ultimately inspiring a new generation that goes on to save the world. Bilbo's story is so much more inspiring if you look at him as Ne inf. And i'm saying this as an ENTP myself.
Good to see you again, Harry, you've recovered! I'm also a big fan of "The Lord of the Rings", and I'm currently re-reading book 4. The theme of this video is amazing, you have to download the next part about other charakters! Thanks!
I would love more videos like this. I looved LOTR as a teenager and watching your video was quite cosy and sort of moving - since I loved it so much and other people around me wouldn't understand.
Yes! aniokay. I agree and please, Cognitive Personality Theory, I also would love more videos like this. “I am looking for someone to share in an adventure that I am arranging, and it's very difficult to find anyone.' I should think so - in these parts! We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit, or There and Back Again
Thank you so much for the encouragement! I'd love to do more videos of this nature - while this was a lot of work, it was also incredibly fulfilling to work on. I can relate to you there!
I love the subtle and so nuanced way you approach each of the 16 personalities and choosing LOTR for illustrating them is brilliant. Yet, I still cannot stand with you when it comes to Bilbo and Gandalf. Imho, it is vice versa: Gandalf is ENTP and Bilbo is INFJ. Being ENTP myself and knowing pretty well INFJs who are my favourites (after ENTPs, of course:)) ) first thing that I find strikingly not at all characteristic for ENTPs is Bilbo's lifestyle, which is extremely organised and home-oriented. It is true that we like being surrounded by nice things and sometimes attached to objects (especially when young and less developed, when our people-pleasing nature is not yet well controlled), but never to such extent as to make home and stability it is associated with the central theme of our lives. Bilbo hesitated so much when he had to choose 'the adventure', it was a struggle for him, but as an a real INFJ (who, at their core, are a bit of a rebellious too, and attracted by adventure), he finally responded positive to his destiny's call. He is not at all as invested as Gandalf in taking responsability for the social vibe, and if so, he does it by 'sensorial' means, ensuring, for instance, that his guests are well treated from a physical point of view (food, for instance) but not involving in conversation etc - which is so unspecific for an ENTP. On the contrary, Gandalf is the one who knows very well each of them, and the one who is 'the salt and pepper' of each group. There are many other things to say about that, I'll stop here. But anyway, excellent channel and analysis, keep it up!❤💫🤗
I have been watching Peter Jackson’s behind the scenes of making LOTR all week all while researching MBTI types. The TH-cam algorithm KNOWS Fantastic video ❤️INFP
Lord of the Rings is a huge part of my life, too. Something my arty grandparents loved and passed on to my father and then to me - it is a story that connects my creative family members and inspires them a lot. It would interest me to try and figure out what types my grandparents were.
I am sorry I just don’t see any Fi or Te in Sam. I don’t watch the movies as much as you, but I have watched it recently and all I see is ISFJ. My friend is an ISFJ and swears to me he is related to Sam and I personally see it. The argument for INFP is good, but I notice that many ISFJs get mistyped as INFPs and I feel Sam is one of those. He talks about the past so much from the beginning when he mentions the furthest he has ever been for home and mentions stories as a way to influence Frodo to continue. But the Si isn’t what convinced me, the Fe did. I see no practicality to Sam with the cooking on top of the hill and knowing Golem is suspicious without any proof whatsoever from the beginning. I mean Sam is just so selfless and focused on harmony from the end of the first movie when he is willing to drown for his friend to the end of the third when he doesn’t stop Frodo despite knowing Sauron will win because he can’t hurt his friend. Good video, keep it up.
Thanks for the great counter-argument! In many ways I am in agreement and also agree many ISFJs mistype as INFPs owing to behavioural similarities :) I typed Sam bearing in mind he is a Hobbit, which are typically more conservative than humans. As such, Si-Ti behaviours would tend to be amplified whereas the more rebellious Ne-authority of the INFP will be more subdued. I do see Sam's internal dialogue as more Fi-Si, which will have a nostalgic slant anyway, and his external dialogue as more of a Te-Ne contingency - the Te of the INFP tends to be supressed when allowing others to make decisions for them, and even when performing a task or instructions on behalf of another. The weathertop cooking is definitely ISFJ-like but I would also argue it is also possible within an INFP when carried away being of service to others. INFPs often 'vibe' individuals and come to a judgement of them based upon this, whereas an ISFJ judgement would be more of a conscious comparison between what is known and what is not. Both of these instances can result in a similar judgement to what Sam gives Gollum, and I would lean more towards INFP here because it is less rational and more emotional/fearful. INFPs can be utterly selfless when aiding a loved one due to their powerful relational empathy, seeing as they do their loved ones as extensions of the self. The loyalty and love Sam gives to Frodo speaks to me more of an Fi harmony than an Fe one, though I can totally see a very strong case for ISFJ in all these instances :) Cheers!
Interestingly I have the same conclusion because I have a good friend who’s like Samwise. I always saw him as ISFJ, solid concrete type who adheres to tradition thus hard to step out of his usual ways. He (my friend) admires me because I am more daring, adventurous, and unconventional (compare to him; but I am no Jack Sparrow). For me, I know that he will always be a friend because that’s just who he is, loyal to his friends for life. He will be there whenever I need a friend.
Let me say I agree with you about the INFP/INFJ nexus. And if you don't mind I'll throw my hat into the Samwise Gamgee type and give him a solid ISFP. He grounds and protects Frodo in his dangerous quest. A perfect mate for Frodo whose head is always directed toward Mordor and saving Middle Earth with idealistic perfection.
Cognitive Personality Theory that’s great! I think it really feeds into our Ni imagination haha. Can I just say, although your videos are very good and informative. As a viewer I would like to say, because you speak for so long and quite fast, it would be nice if you could used some sort of white board or bullet points to show what you have covered, it’s like when you listen to a lecture, when you don’t follow through you end up getting lost from just verbal info. Thanks
I was trying to figure out what bugged me about this analysis. It hit me: e.g. this is your interpretation of Elijah Wood's portrayal in Peter Jackson's adaptation of LoTR. We are X degrees removed from the original trilogy, so it's not the same as Tolkien's writings and intent.
Agreed! This is a commentary on the films rather than the books - as you say, the two works are far removed from one another and as such I would have had to make two seperate videos in order to cover them both :)
Oh my gosh - not seeking leadership but immediately jumping into it anyways once it’s clear nothing will happen if I don’t is something I do all the time. I didn’t realize it was an ENFP trait!
I see your point about sam and frodo. But I dont know wether or not you included their behavior with gollum... Im not sure but would an infp have been so stubborn about the idea that gollum is only all evil?
I hear you, but I'd say on that note his desire to protect Frodo overrides such urges, especially seeing as Frodo is doing the empathy work for the both of them.
Awesome analisis and point of view...there are a heck load of Introverts in the Tolkien tales. I am big LOTR fan. Interesting point about Frodo..Us INFP are like Frodo WITH the ring..the world Is our heavy burden just like the ring was to Frodo and that is how we react to the world..it is like we carry our problems..and we do need someone like Sam to guide and "snap us out" of situations and our own heavy thoughts that we often get lost into. I think that when Infp are a child they are not infp..they become It..info Is a reaction to the world impacting and changing their personality. lot like carefree and cheerful Frodo at the beginning.. before the ring came to him...then when reality comes you grow up and become like Frodo with the ring. A lot of people dont consider Frodo at the very beginning. Brilliant video.
Yes, I like that distinction! I do think Frodo is unfairly judged entirely on his behaviour with the ring but, yes, it's super important to see him before he bore that burden!
I like that you treat these figures with such kindness. I am happy to see such respect for the infp from you. Is there a reason that you typed Sam as an intuitive rather than a sensor?
@@aniokay Yeah :) Sam has an Ne authority compelling him to perceive the big picture of the external mechanical world, while his Si lens is directed towards his Fi in a very focused INFP-like manner!
I'm looking forward to exploring Aragorn next :) I have too much CPT foundations to lay on this channel to afford to release videos in the LOTR series every week (as much as I would love to!), but I can definitely aim for one every 3-4 :D
This is gold. Great work! I’m doing songs based on The Silmarillion and in the coming months I hope to type the characters as well. I’d be very curious to see how you would classify the various gods and maniacs in Tolkien’s ‘Elf Bible’
Thank you so much! Wow, that's a rabbit hole right there but depending on the longevity of this series I may get round to the maiar and such at a later date :)
Don't think you got the main four quite right but think you nailed Bilbo. I have always felt Bilbo was my (ENTP) type, definitely more from the LOTR than from The Hobbit per se but still.
Thanks for your comment! I'd love to hear your reasoning as it's possible we have very different conceptions of the ISFJ - CPT posits the type as more analytical and detached than other systems :)
I also thought Sam is an ISFJ, because he does everything to protect Frodo. But there's one thing speaking against it: ISFJs-as myself would rather not go on such a dreadful journey because of their lack of being able to something unpredictable. I am an ISFJ, and I think, I would be happy to know he's safe and stay home.
Excellent video..i too adore LOTR. Such interesting point of view ..well said and well carried out..but i still strongly believe that Frodo is an infp being an INFP-T myself. You are right Frodo at the beginning was cheerful..confident.. bright.. that is an INFP thriving!!!!! The worlds weight and unkindness makes us withdrawn and want to refuge in our complex inner world.An INFP happy and confortable ..an infp surrounded by people he adores and has known all his Life...and they too understand him...he had the life that all INFP dream about before the ring came to him and put everything he knew and loved in danger...us INFP get an extreem strength and decisivness when something we love is in danger..and we are willing to risk our lives for something we love..that is why he got ready right away..our strength and best quality is to love peace and unselfishly protect with no desire for power..that Is why Frodo was the right one for the ring task..thus a true INFP. Turbulent Mediators report feeling negative emotions to a far greater extent than Assertive Mediators, and this is a big difference only amogst infp...Imagine how different the ring task would be if Frodo was another personality type...like a ENTJ or ESTP or ...Imagine boromir or ghimli or pippin or any less emotional character bearing the ring...tho in a dark, uncontrollable void they could take on the task differently and would recover faster and better..kind of like real men who go to jail or war...once ended they all have different reaction to their trauma. Feel less absorb less..feel more absorb more. I think Sam Is more of an ISFP or ENFP he was Frodos faithful stronghold..and my friend and hero in life is an ENFP ..soo much like Sam. Merry and pippin spot on...merry Is hard to understand and you grasped It!! Feel free to view my " infp character page" on Wattpad www.wattpad.com/user/GlitterKat12
Nice analysis! I'm fairly confident in my ENFP diagnosis (somewhat open to Sam being an ISFJ>INFP as suggested by commentors) of Frodo owing to the way he processes information and reacts to his environment, but in terms of values and perception I agree Frodo is quite INFP-like :)
@@CognitivePersonality yes true. The only thing that makes me think that Frodo is not an infp Is the recognition and appriciation he gets towards the end of the return of the king when Aragorn says "for Frodo" as infp our sacrifices and hard work are rarely praised and appriciated..people Always expect more from us tho we give soo much and want nothing in return but a bit of recognition at least...whatever we give must of the time goes unoticed..and our streagths are perceved as weaknesses to the "stronger"personality types..hard to explain. Thankyou for making these videos..looking foward to viweing LOTR characters part two.
You may be right about Frodo (for the movies) but I disagree with Sam. An ISTJ could easily fit all your descriptions as well, and I don't see Ne as being high enough for him to be INFP. You hit gold with Merry. I completely agree. Pippin is an ESFP. He doesn't lead with Fi. Those who's dominant function is an introverted judging function are typically far more stubborn and individualist. Pippin leads with perception. He isn't immediately making value judgements on everything, instead allowing experiences to take place and waiting to reflect and make judgements until after.
The writers who are superb in personality observation can write characters with reasonable development, not morphing into a different animal mid book or would do something “out of character” for plot. My personal pet peeve is to read a book and be irked by inconsistent character development or portrayal. I’d put the book down or just go straight to the last few pages.
This is such a great series. I’ve watched all 3 parts. Just curious why did you skip over Sméagol/Gollum? I mean I guess it’s a case of a split personality thing so you would have to probably do 2 typings, 1 for Gollum, and 1 for Sméagol. But I’m still surprised you didn’t touch on such a great character. Maybe you did and I missed it 🤔 I’ll check through all 3 parts again.
Hey thanks! I went down the Patreon paywall route while I was trying it out and did a separate video typing Gollum along with a few other characters :) That being said, I'll likely be doing a single, updated video with all of the characters sometime next year as I've made a couple of alterations.
Cognitive Personality Theory I just finished watching the LOTR video on your patreon page, it covered treebeard, Sauron and Grima wormtongue but not Gollum. Is there I second video I’m not seeing? (On patreon). Or maybe you meant to say you filmed a video on Gollum but never posted it on patreon or you took it down cuz you plan to update?
I watched the return of the king extended edition and there's a scene with Pippin and Merry celebrating after the battle of Isengard and Pippin says "I feel like I'm back in the east farthing after a honest days work" while smoking and drinking ale and Merry responds with "you've never done an honest days work in your life Pip" and they both laughed. Is this a part of the Isfp archetype? I've seen other people say that ISFP's are lazy also but it seems like according to your system laziness woudn't correlate with the functions.
Haha I enjoyed that scene. I certainly wouldn't say Pippin represents a hardcore ISFP archetype though, and while I do not adhere to archetypes I wouldn't describe that of the ISFP as being lazy. The Se authority of Merry and Pippin provlicate them towards loss the self in the moment, which can in some instances lead to a hedonistic lifestyle. Laziness can occur for a variety of cognitive reasons so I certainly wouldn't associate it more with one function than another.
I kind of thought that Frodo was an INFP and Samwise represented his ESTJ subconscious and Gollum represents his ISTP superego. Sam is my fave character.
This was awesome! I love these two subjects! It all made sense except with ISFP Pippin, I was scratching my head. I also only know one ISFP, I’m certainly no expert. Did you take into account “The Four Sides of the Mind” with this? Please do another one 🙂
I don't employ the four sides as I believe it's too simplistic - for example, if I were to use Ne as my dominant (as an INFJ) the functions following this would not always be that of an ENFP. Bebe's is an archetype-based model whereas CPT looks at fluid cognitive dynamics :) Heh, yes it can be difficult to see Pippin as an introvert as in the Big 5 sense he is not. However, he spends much time in his own Fi world, has a convergent relational ability and his Se attitude is far more similar to the ISFP than the ESFP! Cheers!
This is how I am with Dragon Ball Z 😂. I’ve watched Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z through 5 times. I love this! It makes me want to rewatch Lord of the Rings haha
@@CognitivePersonality YESS!!! You have no idea how happy that makes me! Also, I’m currently rewatching the LoTR trilogy bc of this video lol. I’m already through the first two movies and just have The Return of the King left. It’s so gooood!
One ring to rule them all! I didn't realize its common to cross reference fictional characters their relational dynamics and typology. I thought I was just weird 😅 what better way to say it its not a box its a good fit with individial differences.
I wish I could recall a mention of this from the books, but from what the film implied I imagine it would be an off-scene of him packing his seasoning and cookware!
OK, one more. Bilbo and Frodo took the white ship to the Undying Lands. A year or two later, Frodo was living with Sam in the Shire. Explain. Hint: Another way to ask this is, in 'The Lord of the Rings' movie, we saw TWO Frodos. Explain.
@@rayw3332 Hah, well there are a couple of ways we can approach this. Gollum was presented as having two halves, which if interpreted as more than a personality split could justify the theory of Frodo losing the part of himself that was influenced by the ring. Thus, magic essentially leaves Middle Earth. A second possibility here is Sam having a child called Frodo ;)
merry...but why does istp create new ways of doing things? doesnt that require Ne and Istps are having the blindspot there? bilbo... never show yourself weak in front of people, thats imo accurate. I avoid it at any cost. I am also shure that Entp invents new ways if doing things. got and get scolded fir that a lot, but NeTi needs to do that.
Great points! Ne users can indeed take new situations in their stride more easily, whereas Ni users would form their plans more easily by building upon previous Se experience - since Merry is used to running away and general mischief, he seemlessly formulates plans in his head using his Ti-Ni frameworking. The ISTP is great at overcoming new situations through adaptation of existing frameworks :)
I like your list, but think sam is an isfj but i maybe biased due to reading the books too. Sam always speaks in the what is, never what if. Infp although loyal cannot compete with si dom dedication to a task or a promise. Gardening, horses the only hobbit to bring up marriage tradition all isfj things. Also always saying mr frodo and insisting others respect frodos role as most important fe parent. Sam is a soldier committed to the task given to him by Gandalf the higher authority. Ne inferior fear of Gandalf turning him into something hideous se nemesis making him undesirable for marriage. Rosie a bartender and lets stereotype her as an esfp lol good marriage. I do not think infp couldnt be possible but i never thought of sam as abstract.
This is a very well thought out analysis - I'm definitely open to Sam being an ISFJ for the reasons you have mentioned, but I would also say ISFJs tend to exert more leadership and analytical contribution that Sam does, who is more defined by his loyalty and power of observation.
@@CognitivePersonality he definitely inhibits smeogal from leading(not until mr frodo has something to eat), he also fe parents pippin merry quite a bit about trespassing, high si sarcasm about being frodos gardener. But this is hollywood and these are super personalities.
Great video! You should definitely make other videos of this format and maybe even analyse characters from other works of fiction. I think these kinds of videos have great potential to bring in viewers and could be a fun niche for your channel.
Awesome, cheers! Of course, I don't want to overly focus on content like this lest it detract from the self-growth focus of the CPT channel, but I am definitely up for doing more videos like this in the future and am fully committed to at least one more LOTR-themed episode :) I'm so glad you liked the music!
I loved this. I'm enfp, and so many people miss the depth that enfps can have, especially for causes. You have such great analyses of these characters. Really looking forward to more.
Thanks Sasha, I agree completely! There's a lot of misunderstanding out there about ENFPs in general.
I'll be filming Part II real soon :)
Same, it's so nice to see a positive analysis of ENFP qualifies! I'd never thought of it but totally relate to Frodo now that he says it
Love, Lord of the Rings! extremely Archetypal. Please do a part 2.
Great guitar playing also!
Thank you so much! Thanks to all the positive feedback I've received on the video so far I'm putting part 2 on the list :)
Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed the guitar parts!
Hello, fellow Tolkien fan.
Yesss!
Oh my god, my favorite nerdy subjects together! This is the best exam fuel I could have asked for!
Haha I felt the same way when filming this!
I keep checking in and every day I feel like you double in subscribers! Insane man! Loving the video so far and in agreement on Frodos type! 💕You see how important his relationships are to him as well as his individualism, he is truly a campaigner who does his best doing the right thing while being true to himself. And yes we do underestimate the influence of the One Ring on his energy.
Haha thanks man! The majority of the growth has come from bigger channels sharing my content, particularly you and David Badurina, for which I'm super appreciative!
Yess Frodo is a true campaigner and fits neatly into that ENFP stereotype, and even with the One Ring he still kicked ass!
The concise explanations in this video, as well as your others, continues to illustrate to me that you are one of the most accurate "typists" that I am aware of. I continue to learn something every time I watch one of your videos, Harry. THANK YOU ^_^
Thank you so much man!
Man, hearing that Frodo is an ENFP just made me feel so much more for him than I already did. Being an ENFP myself, I relate to being a yes person and giving everything for a cause I believe in, but man, it hurts so freaking much to see his suffering and his distance during the movies. It hurts to see him hurting internally man. It already hurt before, but putting myself in his place now, it hurts so darn more.
I feel the exact way when watching the films!
I miss videos like this.. 2 years in CPT and to me, these are most helpful to grasp the ambiguous theory into concrete form! I’m hopeful for similar contents but also excited for your new ideas to come 😊🎉
as an infp myself, I always thought that Frodo was an infp and now I feel very bad for not having considered how much the Ring may have affected his personality and his mental health. Even after many years Frodo is no longer the same person as before, the experience has changed him forever and it's heartbreaking to think of the playful and carefree person who was at the beginning of the film.
Is this a symbol for living.
Hi, from book I can assure you he is infp in the book, his only friends were his cousins and gardener for 17 years, also he is not to prone to be proactive like an enfp
I love LotR! These are my typings based upon the books (not films!).
Characters introduced in The Hobbit:
Bilbo Baggins : ISFJ
Gandalf : INTJ
Thorin Oakenshield : ISTJ
Elrond : INTJ
Gollum/Smeagol : ISFP
Balin : INFJ
Dwalin : ISTJ
Fili : ESTP
Kili : ESTP
Bifur : ISTP
Bofur : ENTP
Bombur : ISFP
Oin : ISTP
Gloin : ISTJ
Dori : ISFJ
Nori : ESTP
Ori : ISFP
Dain : ESTJ
Smaug : INTP
Bard : ISTP
Beorn : ESTP
Roac : ISTJ
The Elvenking : ISTJ
The Master of Lake-town : ESTP
Characters introduced in The Fellowship of the Ring:
Frodo Baggins : INFP
Sam Gamgee : ISFJ
Pippin Took : ESFP
Merry Brandybuck : ENTP
Aragorn/Strider : INFJ
Gimli : ESTP
Legolas : ISTP
Boromir : ESTJ
Galadriel : INFJ
Celeborn : ISTJ
Arwen : INFP
Erestor : INTP
Gildor Inglorion : INFJ
Glorfindel : ENFJ
Haldir : ENFJ
Tom Bombadil : ENFP
Goldberry : INFP
Barliman Butterbur : ESFJ
Ham Gamgee/The Gaffer : ISTJ
Farmer Maggot : ISTJ
Fatty Bolger : ISFP
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins : ESTJ
Gwaihir the Windlord : ENTJ
Saruman : INTJ
Sauron : ENTJ
Lord of the Nazgul : ISTJ
Characters introduced in The Two Towers:
Theoden : ESTJ
Eomer : ESTJ
Eowyn : ISFP
Faramir : INFP
Grima Wormtongue : ENTP
Hama : ISTJ
Treebeard : ISFJ
Quickbeam : INFP
Shelob : ISTP
Ugluk : ESTJ
Characters introduced in The Return of the King:
Denethor : ISTJ
Beregond : ISFJ
Bergil : ESFP
Prince Imrahil : ENTJ
Ioreth : ESFJ
Ghan-buri-Ghan : ESFP
Rosie Cotton : ESFJ
Lieutenant of the Dark Tower : ESTJ
I like it - thanks for sharing your own analysis!
Are you perhaps an INTP?
The genuine passion and love for Tolkien that shines through the vid is heartwarming.
Aw thanks :)
My man!! This video concept is of GREAT value!! So good to see you be so psyched about these charachter and the analysis is really enlightening! 💙
This is why this channel is so good. There are so many misstypes online but few take the time to investigate the details, the extenuating circumstances that may make a type present as another, such as Frodo always being typed as an INFP. It's understandable why that is so common, but it's only based on the state Frodo is in after the burden of the ring has weighed him down. The fact you could explain his real type speaks to your expertise in understanding the cognitive functions.
This is super insightful. Thank you so much. I was already very confused, why the typing on the internet seemed so illogical
I so love Lord of the Rings. Now i love it even more, because this video gave me an even deeper understanding of the characters.
Wonderful! Thank you for commenting :)
Oh my i love everything about this video😭❤️ I'm living for Bilbo's analysis! ENFP frodo is making me so emotional lol, also it finally makes sense, it bothered me so much that he was always typed as an INFP based on the analysis of his altered behaviour throughout the movies, it just doesn't make sense to type him (and characters with this kind of trope in general) for how he acts while under the influence of the ring. Knowing that he is an ENFP and seeing how he acts in the movies hurts so much😂
This is perfect, the guitar playing, the analysis and the passion you put into it is really refreshing
It would be so cool if you ever decided to make more series like this... they are so entertaining, fun and informative! Would be great to have a real analysis of some characters.
Online you only find the presumed mbti type without any explanation as to why they typed them that way, or just superficial ones..
On my way to watch the other 2 parts, thanks for the video!💜💚
Oh my goodness, the bit from 6:37 really got me 😭💔 you described their relationship so beautifully. I actually didn't know you were a massive LOTR fan. The first one came out when I was 12 and I went to see it 6 times at the cinema 😅 I absolutely LOVE them. I even went to Collectormania each year to meet the cast - best memories! 🤓
Oh yes, massive LOTR nerd here! Even had a Moria goblin Warhammer army in my teens!
Omg you met the cast that is completely awesome :O
@@CognitivePersonality Amazing! You already had my respect but you've now officially earned my trust 😄
I don’t have as much of a background in MBTI to qualify any judgments of what these character’s types are, but I will say listening to your reasoning as to why each character is that type adds so much more depth to a story I am deeply invested in.
Please keep making more of these videos. I’m sure as time goes on, I’ll develop more of an opinion and respond more thoroughly.
Also, I loved the guitar cameos! How often do you get around to playing guitar?
This is absolutely fantastic to hear!! It really warms me to know my analysis can actually add to the experience of the story.
I will be making more :)
Re: guitar - thanks! The guitar content in this video was from when I played 2-3 hours every day, but now I tend to play an hour every day - I love my music channel and my supporters there, but my primary focus is here :)
Cognitive Personality Theory
Ah! I can’t wait!!!
I had no idea you had a music channel. I mean, you put in so much effort to respond and speak to all of us, it is very telling of the intention and investment you put into all of your work in general.
Well, I would love to check out the music channel, if I could! It would be lovely to listen to what you’ve played in full there. I’m sure I would enjoy it a lot, given the work I’ve seen here, too. :)
@@the1stcalling I really appreciate the kind words!
I've linked the music channel in the description and I really hope you enjoy the content there :)
I would be excited to see more videos like this! Your evaluations look air-tight, so that's good - although my favorite typing of Frodo is INFJ... I feel like the movies portrayed him as more of an extrovert; possibly to speed along the story... I miss the conflicted nature of book Frodo
Oh yes, the Frodo of the books is far more detached and analytical!
I'll definitely be doing another one of these :)
I find it would be more interesting if you typed non fictional persons, so it gives us a real life representation of how you perceive the types to be like in real life. Types in your system at least come across as possibly different than in a lot of other systems, so it would be interesting to see which person you would type as which type and why. It would give us a sense of perspective and a way to compare your system to others better.
The problem with fictional characters is that they are (as you mention) less complex than real people. However, I find the problem not that they're more simplistic than real people, but rather that they problably do not really fully fit into any type perfectly, as characters in stories for example sometimes also do things in order to push the story forwards. A character might be like one thing with a certain writer and different with another. Of course with LOTR the writer is the same person, which is good.
100% agreed!
I have been thinking about this too, and have considered celebrity interviews as some possible source material. As you say, it would be effective to explain my system alongside real life examples. Thanks for your comment and suggestions!
As an ENFP who relates very strongly to Frodo, I definitely agree with your analysis that he’s an ENFP! Good to see someone else saying it
Maybe I'm so introverted because I'm always struggling with my own worst enemy: myself. Part of me hates myself and is highly critical, pessimistic and fearful. The other part of me is creative, energetic, fun-loving and caring. These two sides are always fighting each other.
I really relate to Sam in the movies and in the novels. I understand Sam's viewpoint and personality as it is portrayed in the stories.
Your description of Frodo and Sam's friendship is so right on. I love it.
Awesome! As an INFJ, I've always loved the Hobbit and Lord of the rings. Be great to see you analyse the wizards as a video too. Interested in type of personality of Aragorn, I thought he may have been INFJ but I appreciate your analysis of the characters,they seem pretty much spot on! 😊
Thanks so much! I'm still considering which characters I'll be analysing for the next episode but Aragorn will likely feature :)
I believe you may be right about Aragorn.
Can't say I'm a LOTR geek but I thoroughly enjoy this video! Love to hear you analyse something you are super passionate about and look forward to more :)
I also want to add that the part where Frodo forces Sam to dance is truly telling--an infp wouldn't have made the decision for him if their advice wasn't initially taken.
Thank you so much! That means a lot especially with you not being a huge LOTR fan in the first place - thanks to the feedback I've been receiving I can confirm I'll be making more :)
Re: Frodo pushing Sam to dance - yes, totally agree! ENFPs are so much more comfortable making decisions on behalf of others, and their comparatively more mischevious streak makes them break the usual social etiquette if they know it to be in the other party's interest.
@@senshi4071 I agree ! I'm not a LOTR fan either but there was something to be found in the depiction of archetypal figures. And I also agree with you when you say that Harry's passion for the subject shows !
This was so much fun🎉
As a newly retyped ENTP from an ENFJ I related to your breakdown of Bilbo sooooo well.
The part where you highlighted the darkness in Bilbo that came out and was quickly followed by shame, I was like, "😮 that's me!"
Harry, thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you're doing. Your videos are helping me heal from a lifetime of masking. I would like to add that as an ENTP that unmasking is soooo uncomfortable and terrifying many times. People say they have those "embarrassing" dreams of being naked in public and how terrible that is... Well for me unmasking feels like it's not clothes I'm missing but my skin and my soul is exposed. If you have any recommendations on how to navigate that, I'm all ears.
God bless ❤
The guitar playing! It's so... Makes you stop any sense of speed you had and takes you along with itself, at its pace, trying niether to attract by the promise of something, nor to impress by its own good opinion of itself, just, existing, not even prettily, but just being and being so comfortably and balancedly.... I want to say it was beautiful, but it is not heartwarming as the things I usually call beautiful .... It is mind warming, it is this beautiful feeling of balance, but not tranquillity, like swaying in a stable equilibrium at moody frequencies... Yet all seeming only different manifestations of a single one.... It was beautiful
Not going to lie, this made me tear up a little bit - thank you :)
Comments like this remind me why I l became a musician in the first place.
@@CognitivePersonality :))))))
Hi Harry,
Never seen, nor read, lotr and you've made me want to watch it.
This was interesting.
Great to hear things in a concrete way, not just theory, as I seem to need the examples to understand the theory.
Glad your eye is better.
I'm super pleased to hear this! They're truly amazing films, couldn't recommend them enough.
I was hoping this example-based approach would help render something abstract more concrete :)
Thanks! This was actually shot shortly before the accident but, thankfully, my eye is indeed better now!
I just can't believe your description of Bilbo, it's incredible. I've always been quite sceptical about MBTI cos it didn't felt "just" on a logical approach. And now I encounter your approach of the CPT, and everything makes sense, everything feels coherent and just. And your description of Bilbo, it just felt like you knew me deeply. I'm upset... I'm never upset !
Haha, thank you for this comment!
I’m a huge LOTR fan also. This analysis was so well thought out and it was great seeing how excited you were talking about it.
I find this channel yet. Also, I'm massive fan of Lord of the Rings too. You know, I'm so grateful for this analyses. Thank you and please keep goin!
Lovely comment - thank you for your encouragement!
I'm admittedly writing this before I watch the video, but I just wanna say that the movie doesn't capture the personalities of the characters as the books do, in many cases. After watching, I'd like to say I really enjoyed this video. I never would have considered Bilbo as an ENTP, but I can totally see it now. Amazing! As a probable INFJ, I've always related the most to Gandalf, but possibly even more to Treebeard. I don't supposed you'd consider typing the chief ent?
Thank you!!
Oh yes I totally agree the movie had some very different versions of the characters to the book - it's fair to say this is more of a movie analysis :)
So glad you can also see Bilbo as an ENTP! I relate to Gandalf the Grey a lot too, and definitely know INFJs who are more like Treebeard - I'll likely not cover the ent leader in the next episode but may very well do another episode thereafter!
You blew my mind. Sam being an infp in a Te-grip makes so, so much sense.
Bilbo is an ISFJ. If you look at the books and the Hobbit, he acts the way he does because he is Si gripping. His adventure was built upon him learning to develop his inferior function (Ne). After he comes back he goes back to the normal hobbit way of life (which is very Si) and eventually gets fed up with the long life the ring gave him. So on his birthday in LOTR he throws down a party and leaves everything , to chase that Ne feeling of adventure he left behind.
I think this may be more of a culture thing - I like your angle, but most Hobbits under that theory would be ISFJs, whereas I would argue Bilbo always had an Ne predisposition, which Gandalf of course nurtured; on scale to other Hobbits I would classify both Bilbo and Frodo as Ne dominants :)
@@CognitivePersonality I think Frodo was much more open to the whole ''adventuring'' business, maybe because of the influence Bilbo had on him which is why i agree he is ENFP (or INFP). I can sort of buy the ENTP Bilbo typing if we take LOTR in a vacuum, but read again the first few chapters of the Hobbit or watch the start of the movies. Would an ENTP act the way Bilbo did at the dwarves arriving/dinner scene? He is reasonably confused/concerned about strangers coming into his house, but he still remains extremely polite and goes along with the dwarves acting like they own the place. His attempts of arguing against their actions/preventing other dwarves from coming in are extremely mild. When he finally leaves on his grand adventure, the first thought he has is forgetting his handkerchief. Now you can argue that he acted the way he did because he was under extreme stress/threat from multiple armed strangers coming into his home, but surely an ENTP would do something a bit more different than ''comply and hope they go away''.
And yes i do believe Hobbits are a very Si culture but not limited to ISFJs. More like SJ's. You can reasonably type some of the Hobbits like Rossie as ESFJ, Sackville-Baggins as ESTJ and that grumpy one in Fellowship as ISTJ :). Merry, Pippin,Sam and Frodo are the exceptions not the rule. They went out and saved the world, they came back and defeated Saruman. But Bilbo himself is the OG, he is the character other Hobbits are based on. His is the story of the ''In a hole in the ground, there lived a Hobbit'' overcoming his innate psychology and doing something which no other Hobbit has ever done ultimately inspiring a new generation that goes on to save the world. Bilbo's story is so much more inspiring if you look at him as Ne inf. And i'm saying this as an ENTP myself.
Good to see you again, Harry, you've recovered! I'm also a big fan of "The Lord of the Rings", and I'm currently re-reading book 4. The theme of this video is amazing, you have to download the next part about other charakters! Thanks!
Almost recovered - this video was filmed before the accident ;)
That's awesome! I'm looking forward to filming part II :)
I would love more videos like this. I looved LOTR as a teenager and watching your video was quite cosy and sort of moving - since I loved it so much and other people around me wouldn't understand.
Yes! aniokay. I agree and please, Cognitive Personality Theory, I also would love more videos like this.
“I am looking for someone to share in an adventure that I am arranging, and it's very difficult to find anyone.'
I should think so - in these parts! We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit, or There and Back Again
Thank you so much for the encouragement! I'd love to do more videos of this nature - while this was a lot of work, it was also incredibly fulfilling to work on.
I can relate to you there!
@@wynstansmom829 I love that quote!
@@CognitivePersonality Good job with all the work.
I love the subtle and so nuanced way you approach each of the 16 personalities and choosing LOTR for illustrating them is brilliant. Yet, I still cannot stand with you when it comes to Bilbo and Gandalf. Imho, it is vice versa: Gandalf is ENTP and Bilbo is INFJ. Being ENTP myself and knowing pretty well INFJs who are my favourites (after ENTPs, of course:)) ) first thing that I find strikingly not at all characteristic for ENTPs is Bilbo's lifestyle, which is extremely organised and home-oriented. It is true that we like being surrounded by nice things and sometimes attached to objects (especially when young and less developed, when our people-pleasing nature is not yet well controlled), but never to such extent as to make home and stability it is associated with the central theme of our lives. Bilbo hesitated so much when he had to choose 'the adventure', it was a struggle for him, but as an a real INFJ (who, at their core, are a bit of a rebellious too, and attracted by adventure), he finally responded positive to his destiny's call. He is not at all as invested as Gandalf in taking responsability for the social vibe, and if so, he does it by 'sensorial' means, ensuring, for instance, that his guests are well treated from a physical point of view (food, for instance) but not involving in conversation etc - which is so unspecific for an ENTP. On the contrary, Gandalf is the one who knows very well each of them, and the one who is 'the salt and pepper' of each group. There are many other things to say about that, I'll stop here. But anyway, excellent channel and analysis, keep it up!❤💫🤗
I have been watching Peter Jackson’s behind the scenes of making LOTR all week all while researching MBTI types. The TH-cam algorithm KNOWS
Fantastic video
❤️INFP
Love it!!
Love this video! LOTR was one of my childhood favorites. This is creative and fun, your passions show in your work. Looking forward to more!
Thank you so much!!
Lord of the Rings is a huge part of my life, too. Something my arty grandparents loved and passed on to my father and then to me - it is a story that connects my creative family members and inspires them a lot. It would interest me to try and figure out what types my grandparents were.
This is so great and genuinely helping me understand the types better, thank you! And yes, beautiful music.
Thank you :)
i read all the books and saw all the films over and over again and your causes was great, thanks a lot
My pleasure, big LOTR fan here!
I loved this! I hope you loved Game of Thrones because I would love to see that from you.
I did love Game of Thrones, especially the first few seasons, so I'll definitely consider that for a future video :)
Absolutely fantastic video, I would definitely enjoy watching more of Lord of The Rings related videos.
Thanks for the comment! I'll definitely be doing more :)
I am sorry I just don’t see any Fi or Te in Sam. I don’t watch the movies as much as you, but I have watched it recently and all I see is ISFJ. My friend is an ISFJ and swears to me he is related to Sam and I personally see it.
The argument for INFP is good, but I notice that many ISFJs get mistyped as INFPs and I feel Sam is one of those. He talks about the past so much from the beginning when he mentions the furthest he has ever been for home and mentions stories as a way to influence Frodo to continue. But the Si isn’t what convinced me, the Fe did. I see no practicality to Sam with the cooking on top of the hill and knowing Golem is suspicious without any proof whatsoever from the beginning. I mean Sam is just so selfless and focused on harmony from the end of the first movie when he is willing to drown for his friend to the end of the third when he doesn’t stop Frodo despite knowing Sauron will win because he can’t hurt his friend.
Good video, keep it up.
Thanks for the great counter-argument! In many ways I am in agreement and also agree many ISFJs mistype as INFPs owing to behavioural similarities :)
I typed Sam bearing in mind he is a Hobbit, which are typically more conservative than humans. As such, Si-Ti behaviours would tend to be amplified whereas the more rebellious Ne-authority of the INFP will be more subdued.
I do see Sam's internal dialogue as more Fi-Si, which will have a nostalgic slant anyway, and his external dialogue as more of a Te-Ne contingency - the Te of the INFP tends to be supressed when allowing others to make decisions for them, and even when performing a task or instructions on behalf of another. The weathertop cooking is definitely ISFJ-like but I would also argue it is also possible within an INFP when carried away being of service to others.
INFPs often 'vibe' individuals and come to a judgement of them based upon this, whereas an ISFJ judgement would be more of a conscious comparison between what is known and what is not. Both of these instances can result in a similar judgement to what Sam gives Gollum, and I would lean more towards INFP here because it is less rational and more emotional/fearful.
INFPs can be utterly selfless when aiding a loved one due to their powerful relational empathy, seeing as they do their loved ones as extensions of the self. The loyalty and love Sam gives to Frodo speaks to me more of an Fi harmony than an Fe one, though I can totally see a very strong case for ISFJ in all these instances :)
Cheers!
Cognitive Personality Theory those are very good point. Thanks for responding and keep up the good work.
Interestingly I have the same conclusion because I have a good friend who’s like Samwise. I always saw him as ISFJ, solid concrete type who adheres to tradition thus hard to step out of his usual ways. He (my friend) admires me because I am more daring, adventurous, and unconventional (compare to him; but I am no Jack Sparrow). For me, I know that he will always be a friend because that’s just who he is, loyal to his friends for life. He will be there whenever I need a friend.
Let me say I agree with you about the INFP/INFJ nexus. And if you don't mind I'll throw my hat into the Samwise Gamgee type and give him a solid ISFP. He grounds and protects Frodo in his dangerous quest. A perfect mate for Frodo whose head is always directed toward Mordor and saving Middle Earth with idealistic perfection.
Sam is clearly an example of an ISFJ.
Hey man, I am also obsessed with Lord of the rings, I watched it many times when it was released yet I still watch them over and over again- INTJ UK
I always love a good LOTR re-watch - one of the reasons I enjoyed making this series was for the excuse it gave me to watch the films again!
Cognitive Personality Theory that’s great! I think it really feeds into our Ni imagination haha. Can I just say, although your videos are very good and informative. As a viewer I would like to say, because you speak for so long and quite fast, it would be nice if you could used some sort of white board or bullet points to show what you have covered, it’s like when you listen to a lecture, when you don’t follow through you end up getting lost from just verbal info. Thanks
I was trying to figure out what bugged me about this analysis. It hit me: e.g. this is your interpretation of Elijah Wood's portrayal in Peter Jackson's adaptation of LoTR. We are X degrees removed from the original trilogy, so it's not the same as Tolkien's writings and intent.
Agreed! This is a commentary on the films rather than the books - as you say, the two works are far removed from one another and as such I would have had to make two seperate videos in order to cover them both :)
@@CognitivePersonality yes, in the context of the films your analysis seems spot on.
@@dulles1969 Thank you!
Bro PLEASE do these more often 😢
so good your analysis. 💯% agree. good work!
Sam i have always to cry with you 🎭
So happy you did this! LOTR is my fave so this was great! I completely agree.
Thanks Chaya, I'm really glad you liked it and agree with the assertions therein :) LOTR rules!
Tolkien's portrayal of the creation of Arda is so cool. I want to see a movie all about Melkor's betrayal.
Oh my gosh - not seeking leadership but immediately jumping into it anyways once it’s clear nothing will happen if I don’t is something I do all the time. I didn’t realize it was an ENFP trait!
I see your point about sam and frodo. But I dont know wether or not you included their behavior with gollum... Im not sure but would an infp have been so stubborn about the idea that gollum is only all evil?
I hear you, but I'd say on that note his desire to protect Frodo overrides such urges, especially seeing as Frodo is doing the empathy work for the both of them.
Love the music 🎶 💕
I'm super glad to hear this!
Good explained! :)
Please more of that sort of video! :D
Thank you and I shall! :)
Bilbo as an ENTP is so insightful.
Merry and Pippin, ISTP and ISFP sharing the same braincell (almost) 😂❤️
Loved their friendship as i watched the movie
Awesome analisis and point of view...there are a heck load of Introverts in the Tolkien tales. I am big LOTR fan. Interesting point about Frodo..Us INFP are like Frodo WITH the ring..the world Is our heavy burden just like the ring was to Frodo and that is how we react to the world..it is like we carry our problems..and we do need someone like Sam to guide and "snap us out" of situations and our own heavy thoughts that we often get lost into. I think that when Infp are a child they are not infp..they become It..info Is a reaction to the world impacting and changing their personality. lot like carefree and cheerful Frodo at the beginning.. before the ring came to him...then when reality comes you grow up and become like Frodo with the ring. A lot of people dont consider Frodo at the very beginning. Brilliant video.
Yes, I like that distinction! I do think Frodo is unfairly judged entirely on his behaviour with the ring but, yes, it's super important to see him before he bore that burden!
I love this video! Please make one on the other characters!
Thank you! Episode 2 coming later next month :)
I like that you treat these figures with such kindness. I am happy to see such respect for the infp from you.
Is there a reason that you typed Sam as an intuitive rather than a sensor?
Uh, never mind. You just answered it in the video...
@@aniokay Yeah :)
Sam has an Ne authority compelling him to perceive the big picture of the external mechanical world, while his Si lens is directed towards his Fi in a very focused INFP-like manner!
@@CognitivePersonality Okay. Interesting.
"He doesn't want to 'share the load'." Did anyone else recall that one scene from The Return of the King?
I love this so much!
“Three rings for elven kings...” I can recite that in German and English. I don’t know if I’m proud or ashamed of that! 🤓 I loved your video!
Love that!
Do you like the books as well? Your CPT and LOTR combination is just awesome.
Sadly never got into them, I found the narrative style radically different to the dramatised films - certainly not in a bad way though!
Cheers!
@@CognitivePersonality Thanks for the answer! I've got one more question, how old were you when you first saw the movie?
@@bett8762 Oh wow, maybe.. 10?
Amazing video.
Not me tearing up on a CPT analysis of Frodo and Sam ♥
Yeah I love it can you make it fast I mean like once every week I really want to know eragon's type in your words
I'm looking forward to exploring Aragorn next :)
I have too much CPT foundations to lay on this channel to afford to release videos in the LOTR series every week (as much as I would love to!), but I can definitely aim for one every 3-4 :D
I WANT TO SEE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS.
The second episode is recorded, just needs editing :)
This is gold. Great work! I’m doing songs based on The Silmarillion and in the coming months I hope to type the characters as well. I’d be very curious to see how you would classify the various gods and maniacs in Tolkien’s ‘Elf Bible’
Thank you so much!
Wow, that's a rabbit hole right there but depending on the longevity of this series I may get round to the maiar and such at a later date :)
Cognitive Personality Theory Yes it’s a very deep rabbit hole indeed Alice would freak 😁 In the meantime I’ll look forward to more LOTR MBTI from you!
Don't think you got the main four quite right but think you nailed Bilbo. I have always felt Bilbo was my (ENTP) type, definitely more from the LOTR than from The Hobbit per se but still.
I think you would have been a great character in the Lord of the Rings too, like a magician.
Would love to see a part two. Interested in Aragorn- INTJ?
Part 2 coming next week - Aragorn is among the characters I type in the next episode :)
Sorry, Sam is a textbook ISFJ, probably the best fictional example of one. Pippin is also very much an Extrovert.
Thanks for your comment! I'd love to hear your reasoning as it's possible we have very different conceptions of the ISFJ - CPT posits the type as more analytical and detached than other systems :)
I also thought Sam is an ISFJ, because he does everything to protect Frodo. But there's one thing speaking against it: ISFJs-as myself would rather not go on such a dreadful journey because of their lack of being able to something unpredictable. I am an ISFJ, and I think, I would be happy to know he's safe and stay home.
With you on Pippin, but Sam is ISTJ. In the movies the Te-Fi seems pretty straight forward to me.
Excellent video..i too adore LOTR.
Such interesting point of view ..well said and well carried out..but i still strongly believe that Frodo is an infp being an INFP-T myself.
You are right Frodo at the beginning was cheerful..confident.. bright..
that is an INFP thriving!!!!! The worlds weight and unkindness makes us withdrawn and want to refuge in our complex inner world.An INFP happy and confortable ..an infp surrounded by people he adores and has known all his Life...and they too understand him...he had the life that all INFP dream about before the ring came to him and put everything he knew and loved in danger...us INFP get an extreem strength and decisivness when something we love is in danger..and we are willing to risk our lives for something we love..that is why he got ready right away..our strength and best quality is to love peace and unselfishly protect with no desire for power..that Is why Frodo was the right one for the ring task..thus a true INFP.
Turbulent Mediators report feeling negative emotions to a far greater extent than Assertive Mediators, and this is a big difference only amogst infp...Imagine how different the ring task would be if Frodo was another personality type...like a ENTJ or ESTP or ...Imagine boromir or ghimli or pippin or any less emotional character bearing the ring...tho in a dark, uncontrollable void they could take on the task differently and would recover faster and better..kind of like real men who go to jail or war...once ended they all have different reaction to their trauma. Feel less absorb less..feel more absorb more.
I think Sam Is more of an ISFP or ENFP he was Frodos faithful stronghold..and my friend and hero in life is an ENFP ..soo much like Sam.
Merry and pippin spot on...merry Is hard to understand and you grasped It!!
Feel free to view my " infp character page" on Wattpad
www.wattpad.com/user/GlitterKat12
Nice analysis! I'm fairly confident in my ENFP diagnosis (somewhat open to Sam being an ISFJ>INFP as suggested by commentors) of Frodo owing to the way he processes information and reacts to his environment, but in terms of values and perception I agree Frodo is quite INFP-like :)
@@CognitivePersonality yes true. The only thing that makes me think that Frodo is not an infp Is the recognition and appriciation he gets towards the end of the return of the king when Aragorn says "for Frodo" as infp our sacrifices and hard work are rarely praised and appriciated..people Always expect more from us tho we give soo much and want nothing in return but a bit of recognition at least...whatever we give must of the time goes unoticed..and our streagths are perceved as weaknesses to the "stronger"personality types..hard to explain. Thankyou for making these videos..looking foward to viweing LOTR characters part two.
@@katchanel3727 Part 2 is up! There might be a part 3 too :)
I definitely agree INFPs often go undervalued!
@@CognitivePersonality yay..will view soon.
You may be right about Frodo (for the movies) but I disagree with Sam. An ISTJ could easily fit all your descriptions as well, and I don't see Ne as being high enough for him to be INFP.
You hit gold with Merry. I completely agree.
Pippin is an ESFP. He doesn't lead with Fi. Those who's dominant function is an introverted judging function are typically far more stubborn and individualist. Pippin leads with perception. He isn't immediately making value judgements on everything, instead allowing experiences to take place and waiting to reflect and make judgements until after.
The writers who are superb in personality observation can write characters with reasonable development, not morphing into a different animal mid book or would do something “out of character” for plot. My personal pet peeve is to read a book and be irked by inconsistent character development or portrayal. I’d put the book down or just go straight to the last few pages.
Yes, excellent points. As you say, it is the character development that doesn't necessarily remain consistent.
Video idea: maybe try your favorite character all time of each type
Great, looking for next part to hear about other characters :)
Cheers, I'm aiming for a late-January release for episode 2 :)
Please do more!
Second part is being editing as we speak :)
@@CognitivePersonality Awesome!
What about 2nd breakfast?
Elevenses, Lunches, Afternoon Tea! Dinner, SUPPER!
Dammit! I didn't want to enjoy this, but I really did. Very informative and insightful to the story and types.
Woo! Thanks :)
This is such a great series. I’ve watched all 3 parts. Just curious why did you skip over Sméagol/Gollum? I mean I guess it’s a case of a split personality thing so you would have to probably do 2 typings, 1 for Gollum, and 1 for Sméagol. But I’m still surprised you didn’t touch on such a great character. Maybe you did and I missed it 🤔 I’ll check through all 3 parts again.
Hey thanks! I went down the Patreon paywall route while I was trying it out and did a separate video typing Gollum along with a few other characters :)
That being said, I'll likely be doing a single, updated video with all of the characters sometime next year as I've made a couple of alterations.
Cognitive Personality Theory I just finished watching the LOTR video on your patreon page, it covered treebeard, Sauron and Grima wormtongue but not Gollum. Is there I second video I’m not seeing? (On patreon). Or maybe you meant to say you filmed a video on Gollum but never posted it on patreon or you took it down cuz you plan to update?
I love this video so much. It make sens
Thank you!
I was squealing with delight at the idea of Frodo being an ENFP, my type.
I watched the return of the king extended edition and there's a scene with Pippin and Merry celebrating after the battle of Isengard and Pippin says "I feel like I'm back in the east farthing after a honest days work" while smoking and drinking ale and Merry responds with "you've never done an honest days work in your life Pip" and they both laughed.
Is this a part of the Isfp archetype? I've seen other people say that ISFP's are lazy also but it seems like according to your system laziness woudn't correlate with the functions.
Haha I enjoyed that scene. I certainly wouldn't say Pippin represents a hardcore ISFP archetype though, and while I do not adhere to archetypes I wouldn't describe that of the ISFP as being lazy. The Se authority of Merry and Pippin provlicate them towards loss the self in the moment, which can in some instances lead to a hedonistic lifestyle.
Laziness can occur for a variety of cognitive reasons so I certainly wouldn't associate it more with one function than another.
As always every Enfp has an Infp friend close by ❤
How about an analysis of the characters based upon the books and not the movies?
Totally different ballgame, and definitely requires more depth of analysis than a movie-based analysis!
@@CognitivePersonality That would be perfect. But ensure you are correct in your analysis or else...😈
I kind of thought that Frodo was an INFP and Samwise represented his ESTJ subconscious and Gollum represents his ISTP superego. Sam is my fave character.
Interesting! I love Sam too!
Bah, the movies warped the personalities of all the characters.
True!
I haven’t seen this but I will 😊
This was awesome! I love these two subjects! It all made sense except with ISFP Pippin, I was scratching my head. I also only know one ISFP, I’m certainly no expert. Did you take into account “The Four Sides of the Mind” with this? Please do another one 🙂
I don't employ the four sides as I believe it's too simplistic - for example, if I were to use Ne as my dominant (as an INFJ) the functions following this would not always be that of an ENFP. Bebe's is an archetype-based model whereas CPT looks at fluid cognitive dynamics :)
Heh, yes it can be difficult to see Pippin as an introvert as in the Big 5 sense he is not. However, he spends much time in his own Fi world, has a convergent relational ability and his Se attitude is far more similar to the ISFP than the ESFP!
Cheers!
This is how I am with Dragon Ball Z 😂. I’ve watched Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z through 5 times. I love this! It makes me want to rewatch Lord of the Rings haha
I LOVE Dragon Ball!
@@CognitivePersonality YESS!!! You have no idea how happy that makes me! Also, I’m currently rewatching the LoTR trilogy bc of this video lol. I’m already through the first two movies and just have The Return of the King left. It’s so gooood!
Great analysis! Off topic, if I may ask, do you think Jim Carrey is an ENTP or an ENFP?
Likely ENFP!
@@CognitivePersonality Thanks for your reply
One ring to rule them all! I didn't realize its common to cross reference fictional characters their relational dynamics and typology. I thought I was just weird 😅 what better way to say it its not a box its a good fit with individial differences.
I certainly enjoy it, and, indeed, it can be very useful!
What is the very last thing Sam does before he and Frodo leave Bag End rushing off into the wild?
I wish I could recall a mention of this from the books, but from what the film implied I imagine it would be an off-scene of him packing his seasoning and cookware!
Close! Sam went back to Frodo's keg and drained the last of it into himself! Yes.
@@rayw3332 Amazing!
OK, one more. Bilbo and Frodo took the white ship to the Undying Lands.
A year or two later, Frodo was living with Sam in the Shire.
Explain.
Hint:
Another way to ask this is, in 'The Lord of the Rings' movie, we saw TWO Frodos. Explain.
@@rayw3332 Hah, well there are a couple of ways we can approach this.
Gollum was presented as having two halves, which if interpreted as more than a personality split could justify the theory of Frodo losing the part of himself that was influenced by the ring. Thus, magic essentially leaves Middle Earth.
A second possibility here is Sam having a child called Frodo ;)
merry...but why does istp create new ways of doing things? doesnt that require Ne and Istps are having the blindspot there?
bilbo... never show yourself weak in front of people, thats imo accurate. I avoid it at any cost.
I am also shure that Entp invents new ways if doing things. got and get scolded fir that a lot, but NeTi needs to do that.
Great points! Ne users can indeed take new situations in their stride more easily, whereas Ni users would form their plans more easily by building upon previous Se experience - since Merry is used to running away and general mischief, he seemlessly formulates plans in his head using his Ti-Ni frameworking.
The ISTP is great at overcoming new situations through adaptation of existing frameworks :)
I like your list, but think sam is an isfj but i maybe biased due to reading the books too. Sam always speaks in the what is, never what if. Infp although loyal cannot compete with si dom dedication to a task or a promise. Gardening, horses the only hobbit to bring up marriage tradition all isfj things. Also always saying mr frodo and insisting others respect frodos role as most important fe parent. Sam is a soldier committed to the task given to him by Gandalf the higher authority. Ne inferior fear of Gandalf turning him into something hideous se nemesis making him undesirable for marriage. Rosie a bartender and lets stereotype her as an esfp lol good marriage.
I do not think infp couldnt be possible but i never thought of sam as abstract.
This is a very well thought out analysis - I'm definitely open to Sam being an ISFJ for the reasons you have mentioned, but I would also say ISFJs tend to exert more leadership and analytical contribution that Sam does, who is more defined by his loyalty and power of observation.
@@CognitivePersonality he definitely inhibits smeogal from leading(not until mr frodo has something to eat), he also fe parents pippin merry quite a bit about trespassing, high si sarcasm about being frodos gardener.
But this is hollywood and these are super personalities.
@@mattmatthewmatchuu All good points! Hah, yes, agreed :)
I love it ♥️
Thank you!
YES a Tolkenite!
Yes indeed!
Part II coming soon!
I'd like more videos like this. 👍
And more videos like this there shall be!
Great video! You should definitely make other videos of this format and maybe even analyse characters from other works of fiction. I think these kinds of videos have great potential to bring in viewers and could be a fun niche for your channel.
Also, the calming music was a great touch!
Awesome, cheers! Of course, I don't want to overly focus on content like this lest it detract from the self-growth focus of the CPT channel, but I am definitely up for doing more videos like this in the future and am fully committed to at least one more LOTR-themed episode :)
I'm so glad you liked the music!
@@CognitivePersonality I'd actually love to listen to more of your playing. Have you released any music or do you plan to?
@@gxsgdhdhrgdhfhdrdhjdhjtfd I've linked my music channel in the description - I hope you like it!
Me too to the first thirty seconds 😂😂
Ahahaha glad I'm not alone!
Looking forward to chatting collab-stuff soon!