THIS is the type of review I look for when it comes to TH-cam presenters. Thanks so much for being technical, but understandable, to the point, and professional with your analysis.
To sum up your preference... it's the difference between learning from the Engineers... or from the Sales people... I share your preference for the Engineering perspective. There is a special place in hell for the sales people.
The style of these videos are so straight to the point, and tech reviews need way more of this. Just got into your channel while researching which tv to buy, and they have been more helpful than any tech review videos I've used for researching basically any other kind of product. Excellent stuff and Happy Holidays to you !
Loved this comparison and the channel in general. Bought the QN90a just now because our room has skylights so we get direct sunlight and an OLED couldn’t survive in that. Your videos made me incredibly well informed about my purchasing decision, so thank you.
There's just something about self emissive technology like OLED that's simply tough to beat right now. It's not without its flaws, but that pixel level precision works wonders for both SDR and HDR.
Yep. I can’t understand LED apologists EXCEPT when talking strictly about peek brightness for HDR. OLED is just frankly a superior panel tech IMO, and it annoys me that Samsung has so stubbornly refused to adopt the tech. It’s why I’m an LG man… Now, MicroLED on the other hand appears to be the Holy Grail, and Samsung appears to be the first to market with it, so maybe the next generation will be different?
@@OroborOSX11 because they are blind fanboys. Qled is at the same price or even more expensive than lg oleds... I can’t get it they are paying more for an inferior tech that looks absolutely awful in game mode..
@@OroborOSX11 i used both TVS lg c1 and qn90a, i ended up selling lg OLED while the OLED have better blacks it does suffer from lower brightness and it seemed so dim to me, while the QLED have insane brightness that makes colors really pop, and no risk of burn in so QLED is the better TV for me everyone have different preferences.
@@ihavenoname3925 You can’t darken a room when your wife wants sunlight or you want to watch your kids while they’re playing outside, etc It’s situational bud.
I saw and learned many technical aspects of picture quality and settings. Thanks a lot for this excellent video showcasing two iconic HDTV models' strengths and weaknesses! Very helpful in choosing the right model for my needs.
I think people go way too easy on Samsung's dynamic tone mapping. It's extremely hard to get a balanced picture (especially in game mode) and impossible to watch anything that is accurate to the creators intent. Is that not a huge deal?
It is, at least for kind of purist people, but many people usually don't care about accuracy. They are happy when they got their eyes melted and everything "pops".
Not true. If you set source as game console you can adjust almost everything and you don't have locked settings. I do that when I connect my PC to play games and it works just fine. Granted, if I use it as PC source then its terrible since settings are locked and the image is poop.
@@FruitlessRoaster Could you elaborate please? What is dynamic tone mapping? Can you turn it off? Im about to buy a TV and thinking of Q90A. I dont care about game modes. My priority is just a good picture watching TV and Movies (also video from PC). On my TVs / Monitors ive always used 'normal' mode. I dont like fancy effects. just want real picture as possible. (within budget - 75" Q90A is my max$) Im worried about lifespan of OLED. Thanks for help
I love technology but don't purchase TVs often. Looking at reviews for these flagship TVs is a breath of fresh air compared to other types of consumer tech. Love how technical this review was and I know exactly which TV I need (my room is bright) without even having to go to the store.
I have one of each of these tvs OLED and a qled..I agree the OLED is better but not buy a large margin. In a bright room the qled is better. They are both great sets
Nice comparison, got a C1 77" and a Samsung Q90T 65", the C1 looks almost 3d due to the picture's depth it's a fantastic set. That said i still find myself going to the Qled for daytime viewing, it's still impressive how it manages to overcome a bright room with ease, the Lg catches all the reflections due to the larger size and glossy panel.
@@kmow0909 haha not rich dude just worked my ass of for a very long time. Processing and upscaling are class leading and so is motion. What really stands out is the clarity, i haven't seen anything like it yet. If you get the chance get one your jaw will drop, some pretty decent deals already around.
@@Braconara1981 Glad for your purchase. Hope it doesnt get any burn-ins. In my 8 years experience of using OLED smartphones there were no any defects nor flaws.
@@Braconara1981 Also good that you have chosen 77" cos people regret buying 55" immediately. And even 65" owners have remorse but a bit later. You can't upgrade TV so size does really matter.
@TECH LOVER. they LOL'd because you're believing that absolute marketing lie. There's is approximately ZERO chance it has a 1M:1 contrast ratio. Zero chance.
@@mvl6800 With OLED, yes of course, by nature of OLED technology, LCD? Not a chance and mini-LED is still and LCD with an LED backlight and will never be able to achieve a 1M:1 contrast ratio. When micro LED TVs come around however, then yeah it has a shot at it since it's no longer using an LCD panel.
@TECH LOVER. you believe a lot of marketing specs......Just because they SAY they do, doesn't make it real. Go look at projectors as well, lots of them claim 1M:1 contrast ratio. Go look at _actual_ measurements of those and LCD monitors, most will be around the 1000:1 ratio.
I had this exact dilemma a month ago and ended up getting the QN95A over the C1, as the potential for screen-burn (no matter how small) is a big worry for me. I'd never be able to relax knowing my kids will leave the PS4 paused for 2 hours when I'm away from the room! That anxiety isn't worth the slightly improved black levels etc. They're both awesome TVs.
I'm in the process of buying a TV these days, I agree with you.Regardless, as the name suggests, organic led will make a ghost logo after 2 or 3 years.You can delay this at the most, but the result is inevitable due to its nature.
@No_Name if not looked after, yes. Modern OLEDs have things built in to try and reduce image retention (screen jiggling, brightness reduction etc.), but it's still a risk. LCD isn't immune to it, but you'd have to leave the image there for weeks as opposed to a few hours. It's worth mentioning that permanent burn-in and image retention aren't the same thing. OLEDs suffer from both if abused, but most of the time you'd "only" see image retention that can generally be fixed with a screen "wash" etc. I suspect for most people with normal viewing habits it'll be fine, but if you can't control the usage of the screen it's still a concern for me.
@@dave_s_vids They now turn off after a few minutes after leaving them on and you can change settings,Also like you said they have better screens now and precautions to stop it even a slight bit,It’s not really a issue anymore on new OLEDs,Even the normal cheaper ones.
i disagree non organic led is immune to burn in. yes even if you abuse it. i dont get why everyones so hype about oled. even a full array led should be enough to satisfy the average videophile. i have tons of oled screens including 2 smart phones a laptop and 2 oled tv sets and im about to trash them all cause of dead pixels and burn in. youll get a viewing angle and good picture with a miniled qled. thats what i advise getting and get a larger one.
Ended up going with the QN85A. OLED looks amazing, but we have natural light in our living room and the wife tends to leave the TV on all day with a static image. Neo is near OLED, with is fine by me!
I had a QLED TV 2018 from Samsung. For a few weeks now, you can see the LEDs shining through individually. The screen is not covered homogeneously. You can see bright spots every few centimeters. It looks like plastic has warped due to the warmth of the very bright LEDs. So the QLED TV lasted until shortly after the warranty. I didn't want to buy a new TV after 3 years. I bought LG OLED. the C1 is as bright at the highest level as the Samsung QLED.
@@MrDahoox I also have a Samsung from 2017 and it has developed some dark strips (pi shaped) which look awful on darker scenes, plus light bleeding.. -thinking it's time to replace it / move it to a less used room.
@@BerryNiceToMeetYou The Samsung LED TVs do not have Dolby Vision. LG has it! I have not yet played on the LG OLED TV. But there is an extra gaming mode. The LG cannot be switched off at night. He then performs the pixel cleaning.
I wish I had seen this months ago. I have the QN90A. I'm very happy with it but it seems that the C1 would have been better overall. Thank you regardless. As always great work Vincent!
Did you buy the tv for a living room,? I think you made the right choice. I bought the Sony A80j for my dark bedroom and the picture is so dim and dark it’s not enjoyable to watch, I have to tweak vivid mode, the only mode I enjoy watch anything on. Stick with the qn90a I wish I had bought that instead.
@@reaux1560 Thanks for that. I sometimes think I overanalyze perhaps. The QN90A is really great in the living room. I'm thinking of getting a 48in C1 for my office though. Thoughts?
Even if OLED is better at some points, the fact that NEO QLED is so good you need a pitch black room, increased ISO and extremely OLED biased test to demonstrate these things can not be ignored. My current OLED will be moved to the bedroom and replaced by a Neo QLED. It is simply not bright enough for my living-room. As usual, thank you for a great video. I always appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Raised ISO is for making video. With your eye it is more perceivable because human eye having much more dynamic range. That said, NEO QLED is good for movies but terrible for games. Each person have their own need.
no, it's the opposite. you need an extremely bright room to justify the neo qled because oled is better in basically all normal use cases. not that neo qled is bad... it's just not as good. which is why samsung folded and is going to make OLEDs now to put above the neo qled in their tv range.
If your OLED TV was too dim at daytime, your TV was broken or you used wrong settings, or it was older than 2018. You probably never owned an OLED TV and simply is lying about it, like most LCD owners. Most OLED negativity comes from LCD owners that claim to have owned OLED. Meanwhile OLED scores flawless reviews on all huge AV sites.
As somebody who recently bought an LG CX and has been enjoying it but started to wonder if the QN90A would have been better, I appreciate this comparison. It reaffirmed that I made the correct decision for my situation. I’m able to completely control the light in my living room and prefer to watch movies/play games in darkness anyway. Personally, I also find my OLED more than bright enough in SDR and HDR. Perhaps that’s because I upgraded from an incredibly cheap LED, but regardless the OLED seems perfect for my use case. The brightness of QN90A is impressive, but it’s shortcomings would have absolutely bothered me. Of course in the grand scheme of things, both are superb choices that most people would probably be pleased with.
I just got a new 77" G1 and 7.2.4 surround sound with a Denon 6700 and Elac debut 2 speakers and couldn't be happier. If you're a gamer there's only one option that delivers: LG C and G series OLED's.
Just a suggestion - It might be worth showing whether the TV is capable of doing Pass-Through of uncompressed LPCM multi-channel audio via eArc. If you are using the 120Hz feature of the latest consoles then it's most likely that you will be going direct from console to the TV 2.1 HDMI port (after all, it's one of the big features of the latest TVs and very few AV amps will allow you to go the other way). So to then discover that the TV is not capable of passing through the uncompressed audio to a soundbar / AV receiver is a bit of a shock. The Samsungs all currently send stereo 2.0 output onwards forcing you select lossy bitstream output options on the consoles in order to set 5.1 or 7.1 output to your speakers. I believe LG and Sony had the same issue but have resolved it. Otherwise great review
I have the Samsung Q80T, but I’m here to see if it’s worth upgrading and noticed your comment. The Q80T definitely supports eARC at 120Hz with Dolby surround sound over the 2.1 HDMI gaming port. I have the PS5 and have no issues with this
I’m literally in love with the neo qled, disappointed by the q95t last year. But this new miniled technology sounds great for the best of qled and a good black level and ( most of all) NO REFLECTION!!! So important for me
Same. I purchased a Q80T last year and then a QN90A this year… the mini led is phenomenal. With my Series X it’s staggeringly beautiful. I do wish it had Dolby Vision but eh :)
As someone that went through two Samsung QN90As, I can tell you I'm much happier with my LG C1 now. Too many problems with vertical banding and DSE on Samsung sets. Not to mention blooming in game mode. Great brightness and color volume can't overcome manufacturing issues and too few dimming zones.
You can get rid of most the blooming by settings local dimming to standard or low. The default gamemode settings suck, but you can make it look really good with some tweaking.
@@tygobermind3640 You can change source to game console and change many settings that are otherwise locked which can give you much better image. I don't know why people don't talk about that.
@@tygobermind3640 I don't deny you can make it look great. Darker scenes do simply fall apart. Not enough dimming zones. Not to mention how everything gets nerfed in game mode. Just the way it is. Honestly it's something I could put up with if the panels weren't all infested with DSE and vertical banding problems. Edit: As a side note, Samsung's dynamic tone mapping goes against artists/developers intent. Would rather it track properly.
I first bought an LG C1 since OLED is all the buzz, I ended up returning it due to low brightness and being too reflective. I got the Samsung QN95A and it's much much better in my livingroom environment than the OLED. For now, it would seem the OLED TVs are only suitable for dark-room usage.
I hope OLEDs will be able to deliver high APL scenes better eventually. That beach scene at 12:10 is quite a big difference. It looks like the sun is not even out that day on C1
That's because dynamic tone mapping is defintiley disabled on that oled to pReSeRvE cReAtiVe iNteNt, if he enabled it that scene would come to life. But of course at the expense of "accuracy" which is what sophisticated videophiles like vincent strive for
The exposure of Vincent's camera is adjusted to the brightest TV in the room. Making the dimmer TV look darker than in real world viewing. 800nits is plenty if you're not watching in some completely lit up family room.
It's because his camera has been adjusted to the way brighter screen of the Samsung but if money is no object you could always opt for the new LG OLED EVO the G model which is about 30% brighter when viewing Dolby Vision HDR but costs about £3,299 at the moment
I recently updated my 8 year old, 58 inch Panasonic TX58AX802 LCD/LED IPS tv, which at the time was the flagship of the Panasonic range, - to the 65 inch Panasonic JZ1500 OLED tv. I naturally had reservations about brightness levels in my 18 by 16 feet lounge, with one of the 18 feet walls being all window from above 3 feet. Those reservations provwd to be unfounded. I have no issues with screen luminance, even in direct sunlight. That having been said, the screen is at a 90 degree angle to the window! So, I’ve ended up with a highly impressive 65 inch OLED which cost almost half what I paid for that 58 inch IPS 8 years ago and which is more than adquately bright.
I Just literally sold my 65" B9 and I was deciding between the C1 and the QN90A. After a very difficult decision I went for the OLED technology again thanks to this video. The Tv is coming tomorrow and I can't wait playing Series X on it.
Reason is simple - I wanted a better picture quality. C1 arrived 6hrs ago. The SD/HD upscaling on my satelite receiver (Vu+ Solo 4K) and TH-cam is 10x better than on the B9. The colours are more punchier on every source. The motion looks smoother too. Just played Mauer der Toten on the Series X and I can already see more details that I didn't noticed on the B9. B9 now looks dull. The only drawback for me atm are the speakers and no 5.1 DTS in eARC/optical. B9 sounded richer and deeper. Bear in mind I have tested it only for 4hrs. Still loads of testing to do. Edit - Every sound feature on the C1 is off now and it's much better but it's still not that good as B9 DTS now work over the eARC. Had to set the sound output to pass though on the C1
Im sorry, but after going LG OLED, I can't go back to Led ever. Nor Samsung, Oled just immerses you into every aspect. Playing Gears 5, walking in the dark areas just made me feel like i was in the game.
@@chinogambino9375 And then you realise the bight hud of the game has been there for the entire afternoon. Still visable when you watch tv later that night. But at least the black levels are perfect eh...
I thought about this a lot when I bought my OLED. My room is darker, and the movies I really like are also dark. For many families, I think OLED is a poor choice, but for me, it was the right one. My favorite movies are like Alita, IT, Matrix, John Wick, The Protoge, Joker, Pacific Rim, etc... Maybe in time there will be a more perfect TV in the next few years, but choosing the best one for your type of movies and environment is important. Thanks for informative and unbiased comparisons like this!
@@johna9292 If your absolutely priorities are perfect black level, uniformity, and viewing angle then OLED is your choice, but for general use is QLED better, it gets much brighter, OLED is just too dark for a bright room, and you will be disappointed.
@@yajnalgibno6536 You are welcome. I have C1 OLED and it's too dark for a bright room, but from recent reviews, the new C3 generation is much brighter, 2 or 3 times more nits, so I'm guessing OLEDs are getting very close to QLEDs, but your wallet will cry.
The image degradation on the nqled in game-mode kills it for me since that's my use case 90% of the time. Thank you for covering that part, I'll wait for LG's 42 inch oled early next year.
I agree. I have a CX and was considering switching because of various problem (VRR flicker and horizontal banding among other) but image degradation in game mode here ruins it, might as well go for a random qled tv. I guess I will wait for a next generation of TV but I think I will avoid oled in the future.
the point this is missing besides for bright rooms is this. in a few years you will see burned pixels less color and burn in on the oled. meanwhile a miniled will continue to shine with none of those issues. it goes like this.. edge lit < direct < full array < qled < miniled qled < oled < qd oled < micro led. the genius of the qled is that while not equal to oled its darn close. you get benefits i already mention and lower prices especially for screen sizes over 75 inches.
When the difference becomes neglible overall, perhaps we should also focus on which design we favor, or which remote and user interface we prefer. Or perhaps you prefer a split unit, since it only has one cable going to the screen.
This video did help me, and saved me money, man I nearly pulled the trigger on the LG OLED. I have a very bright living room, and that LG would've crushed me. Thanks again
Glad I went with the C1. I was really thinking about going with the QN95A for longevity reasons, but that blooming is still pretty bad. Once MicroLED is mainstream I'll be taking a look at that.
The blooming is never that bad in real life, he even points this out in the video - it's the camera ISO causing it to be much more pronounced. In fact, it's unnoticeable a vast majority of the time.
@@emin62bek it’s still a big issue and clearly visible in all content , blooming is horrible on every lcd no matter what content you watch no matter how many dimming zones
I have a big, bright room but I still pick OLED every time I get a new TV because I don't really care that much about the perfect image when I watch stuff on the TV during day-time. It's the late night movie in full darkness where the TV has to shine! IMO OLED does a decent job in bright rooms aswell.
this is very true. ever since CRTs went out, the weak point of all screens were dark scenes. i've lived long enough with that annoying washed out look to dark pictures. time to move on for good if i can help it.
I owned a 65" plasma for 10 years that I used as a HTPC. It only had very minor burn-in towards the end of its life that I could only see on e.g. a solid white screen when standing close to the TV. OLED was a no-brainer to replace it.
My 2012 Samsung 65" plasma looked like new in 2021 no burn ins. But the power board went out and it will take a bit to find a repair shop for it so I went OLED C1 as a fill in. Arrives in 2 days.
@@dions4683 It is hilarious that you have to pay for an extra third party warranty because the TV you already paid a premium for can't handle actually being used like a TV.🤣
Havnt been here for ages...nice vid vince. So nothings really changed with the advantages and disadvantages of both technologies. Youre right of course..its all about what works for you.
Just want to point out a clear flaw in LG’s MCFI algorithm on the LG CX…which I’m also curious, if this affects the 2021 models as well?…..figured I’d point them out, since you pointed out some clear flaws in this video, which I have experienced myself as well. I’m also curious how many other CX owners experience this issue. I’ve seen it all over the forums, so I know it’s not just me. This issue is a near black flicker, which becomes very, very apparent in HDR/DV content, and is immersion breaking, leaving MCFI unusable to me. Even at the lowest values, it’s very noticeable. It’s almost as if the interpolated frames have a different gamma or something. All I can say is this drives me crazy, and I thought a fix would of come via a FW update by now. I knew I should of returned this set, once I discovered how broken DV really was. Still beating myself up over this.
The will be QN90A VA panel is superior. But It would be interesting for the people who can't get the VA panel version. So and IPS QN90 IPS vs QNED 90 would make more sense. But an other tv with VA panel (like QN90T) would still probably be a better buy.
@@StarsAtNight1 What about the QN90a dirty screen effect - wont that be eliminated with the IPS? Also LG has dolby vision and usually has better gaming correct? Also wondering about viewing angles. Hope you can compare even though the QN90a 'should' be better.
@Doug Chism All type of lcd displays have to a degree of DSE. Contrast is king in image quality. The QN90A VA has a wide viewing layer, that increases the viewing angle but decrease the contrast. Overall the contrast is still a lot better than an IPS panel could ever deliver. I don't care what you buy. If you want an LG, buy the LG.
Just bought the Neo Qled 8590c and its outstanding. Unless you have TV's sitting next to each other it does not matter, once a decent set is in your house its all good.
I really like the neutral tech heavy delivery of this channel. absolutely no BS talk here. sometimes I have to google stuff he mentions... that's rare!
Nice video. For me it's always going to be Neo QLED because I like being able to watch in a bright room without closing the blinds. Sitting in a dark room is kinda depressing 😅
@@salesfocus6270 actually it is not bright enough. Ofcourse it depends on you room. One wall of mynlibing rooms is pure class to the south. It is dark only in winter nights… and most time of the year… super bright… good in TV, not so much in watching room ;) All in all i like oled a lot, but they are not even near bright enough to all day wieving experience in my case… So asn winsent said. Both TV types has it merits and plase where it shine…
@@salesfocus6270 From comparison videos the Samsung QLEDS anti reflective screen is a big plus point and far better. I have the Samsung Q90R and cannot see myself or surroundings in the TV at all, its like I'm a vampire. lol
I watched this on an LG OLED, and I could really see the differences. I think it helps to have a high-quality television in order to get the full impact of these tests.
A good review, but there's something about it you should consider. OLED is superior out of the box. There's little question about that. But I'd love to see a comparison over the life of the product. This is something I've yet to see from any review. Durability. So when contemplating a new TV ask yourself some questions. What are your expectations on longevity? Are you looking to keep it 5 years? 10 years? What? It's a big purchase. Most people will not be swapping theirs out like a fresh pair of underwear. Ummm....so to speak. And as importantly, what are your usage patterns? Do you simply watch dynamic programs, videos and films without a lot of static images? Or do you watch a lot of business, news, sports channels , weather channels etc. that are usually replete with static images? Where am I going with this? Burn in. Simply put OLEC burns in. I've a 65' LG OLED TV that's about 6 years old now, and I can clearly see the burn-in of static images from some of the channels I mentioned that I watch a great deal (Business Chnl, sports, etc.). If you plan to swap out TV's after 2 to 4 years then I don't see a problem. OLED wins. But if you're looking to use it for a decade or more I'd advise staying away from OLED. Burn in, once it starts only gets worse. You won't like it after a time. Samsungs product may run a similar risk, but I suspect its probabilities are lower than OLED over that decades worth of time and use. Just some thoughts worth about that much John~ American Net'Zen
I agree. Despite Samsung's continued eArc issues I bought the QN95 partly because I am not sure the OLED will look as good in 5-10 years time, but also because in a bright room there's not really any choice. To me OLED is much worse in a bright room than QLED in a dark one, because while QLED has FALD to largely compensate, and get pretty damn close to OLED int he dark, OLED is just completely stuffed in a bright room and therefore a bigger compromise
@@DanielBlaney Meh, there's still a risk and they'll eventually burn in. Even if they employ tricks against burn-in, the image also degrades because burn-in is just a phenomenon of uneven degradation. OLED displays are sorta disposable, so you have to keep that in mind when purchasing.
@@thomasfischer9259 That's just a personal anecdote, one plasma TV that looks good to you. I'm certain that you babied your TV, or were at the very least conscious of the burn-in issues. You can't expect everyone using the TV to take good care of it, and it will still degrade even if you make sure there's no static images. A great screen that's degraded by 20% in maybe 5 years will still look quite good. If you want an anecdote, my Samsung S5 bought a few months after launch had really bad burn-in after 3 years, maybe it appeared after around 2. I know a factor would be that it got really heated with light use, but that's still an anecdote. What isn't an anecdote is that OLED is made of organic material, which degrades with use and over time. Image quality will worsen with each use by incremental amounts even if no image gets burned in.
Wow. I have a G9 Neo and a LG OLED, I can't believe how lucky I am to find this ultra in-depth comparison. This really helped me to figure out which one I should use for which purpose!
@@mrcoolorhot8595 Technically the OLED, but I'm literally painting my near-windowless room black (no kidding) in hopes that that will make my C9 bright enough.
My 5 year old lg just hit replaced right b4 the warrenty ended due to terrible burn in. I payd £2,600 for the 55 inch and was given £1,500 in vouchers to buy a new one. 5 years is not long for a 2 grand plus TV really. Gone are the days of 15 year lasting tvs lol.
@@truthhurts2879 And that’s why you don’t get an OLED TV. If I was you I would’ve rather gotten a flagship LCD/LED (I think there was no QLED from Samsung back then) because it wouldn’t get burn ins after a few years and flagship LCDs/LEDs from Samsung are good too and have good colors. OLED is really only good for small screens under 7 inches (for example smartphones). A LCD/LED can last you 15-20+ years, an OLED will only last you 5-6 years max. Most people keep their TVs for over 10 years until they upgrade or when the TVs die and don’t turn on anymore.
@@michaelyounes29 Mine is 10 years old (Samsung UE46D8000 LED Full HD Smart TV) most people probably only upgrade after 10-15 years because a TV (if you buy a real TV and not a 300-400$ toy, I’m not saying 300-400$ is little, it’s not much for a whole TV but if you’re buying a TV at least get one that won’t be an eyesore to look at, decent TVs start at 700-800$ and if you can’t afford to immediately pay for one then save money and get one) is an expensive investment and it’s a hassle to move the old one out of the way, put out the TV, set it up etc. Only rich people get 1500-3000$ flagship OLED/Neo QLED TVs (such as shown in this video) and upgrade only 5-6 years later.
@@truthhurts2879 Hasn't technology improved to avoid burnin in OLEDs in the meantime? I suppose for that 1500 you can buy something of a quality at least similar to what you had 5 years ago. It's only sad from a durability perspective.
Personally, I go for color accuracy, and contrast. So, I will go a "VERY GOOD" OLED every time, which it sounds Samsung is agreeing, since they are developing a new hybrid based on OLED technology. That said, the only advantage of actual QLED, or any LCD is the ability to offer a brighter picture, which means nothing to me. I can always darken the room when it comes to watching a good flick in all its glory.
Just received my QN85A and I don't know why it got all that hate?! The blacks are so deep and the local dimming is beautiful. Yes without local dimming it's ugly but why would I turn it off!
@@jonathaningram8157 yeah on qled for sure.you dont even know what crushed black is.and its not always a bad thing.overbrightenig shadow detail is way worse than that.its a bad thing if you see what you should not see
@@mrwalker6026 your meds have run out, wipe the dribble off your shoulder. Vincent showed an LG OLED because the Sony obliterates both of these TV's for PQ.
@@26101976bdm Wouldn't it be wonderful to be the proud owner of the Sony X900h right now...18 months and still no VRR as promised, blurring and colour banding at 120 Hz doesn't sound like superb PQ to me.... Forgive me but I want a TV that's good at everything and covers all bases without compromising one feature at the expense of another 🤷♂️
I have had a B7 oled for a few years now. I game a lot. I have gotten used to switching to the menu every 30 minutes to an hour while gaming. I don't watch any TV with static images either. You really have to try to get burn in on the TV from my experience. The same was true with Plasma. I was worried when I got it but snagged a new one for such a cheap price and I can never go back.
@@Adamantaimai just 10 or 20 seconds. And I mean sometimes I will game for 10 hours straight on a weekend. I have really put the tv through it and I can't be more pleased. Get a sound bar if you can.
The software on reducing burn-in has become so good that it isn’t an issue at all anymore. Nowadays they even advertise it being the better game tv. You just don’t want to pull the plug after turning the tv off with the remote, because then you interrupt this pixel refresh program and that greatly increases the chance of getting burn-in
@@tigerlife7530 Hey, I think you're mis-understanding OLED burn-in. It's not about single session duration, instead it's the cumulative effect over time of bright static content in the same screen position that causes burn-in. You're wasting your time if you think occasionally switching to a menu during a single viewing session is going to help. It'll make no difference whatsoever, other than to interrupt the enjoyment of your game.
I just bought the LG OLED65B16LA as it was on offer from RS for £1,131.10 and as I can't personally see any difference in picture quality to the C1 that price was perfect for me, the Samsung Neo QLED QN95A was selling for £1,599 with a £300 cash back so £1,299 so still £167.90 less than the Samsung, and I still think the OLED's picture quality is superior to NEO QLED's even if they can go much brighter for me it's the perfect contrast and the total black where OLED wins plus I love Dolby Vision not available on Samsung TV's. Thanks for the review as always in depth with clear explanations.
Guys, I'm a tech noob. When I watched this video, I came up with the below equation. Do you think my observation is right? QLED = good at bright scenes, poor at dark scenes OLED = average at bright scenes, good at dark scenes
Of course, black and contrast are better on OLED, but ... on a bright day, this difference is small. OLED has a screen like a mirror, everything is reflected. There is also a risk of burnout. Also, the HDR effect is much weaker on OLED. If they improved it a bit, OLED would be perfect. Unfortunately, it is not perfect.
I say that was a fair comparison! I pretty much saw what you saw, and you were on point. I'll say the LG has a better picture for darker content and the QLED is better in brighter content! Hasn't nothing changed, each still has the same problems! 😅
That's why MicroLED is a thing, it solves both problems :-P and yeah the price is high but that was always like this when some new tech came out. Looking forward in 10 years when MicroLED TV's will drop down the prices like Oled's did lol.
@@BlackBullPistol i’ve never heard of microled before. is this suppose to be better than both of these combined & or oled? i will research this weekend. i want to upgrade for a lg c1 but i have a good sony xbr900e so i can easily wait another 2 years on upgrading.
I would go for Samsung QN95A as its much brighter than OLED (especially noticeable in bright rooms) and that it has zero burn in anxiety. The blacks are not as great as OLEDs but believe is more than adequate now for late night movie viewing
I love the comparison but can you please do a comparison using the Samsung 900T 8K Neo Qled Versus LG C1 please please that would be very nice cause that's what I'm debating on which TV to get.thanks
Great video! Thank you for adding gaming-specific testing, like the lag test. Those are actually important to gamers (and I shared this video to the gaming channels I am part of). And I guess I'll have to stop giving LG crap, then. Good Game, LG!
I've seen others get below 6ms on the QN90A. So what would you say about that with the lag test? Also 1-2ms means NOTHING in inputlag. 1ms is one one-thousands of a second.
@@loki76 the more important number is response time. The LG C1 has a true 1ms GTG response time. Check out hardware unboxed video on it. Its truly incredible. Backlit tv's are simply dated. Nothing can match OLEDs in terms of black level and colour contrast. OLED is the clear winner. I'll never understand why people put their TVs in rooms with direct sunlight either. If you're going to shell out 2 grand for an expensive TV. Spend significantly less and get some black out curtains, window shades or some blinds. Small thing to do to get a MUCH better picture.
@@loki76 not to mention the LG C1 has 4 hdmi 2.1 ports. Try plugging in an Xbox Series X, a PS5 and an RTX 3000 series equipped PC to the Samsung at the same time, see what happens.
The HDR test should be done with Dolby Vision and HDR10 and HDR10+ so we can see the difference when one TV supports the format and the other doesn't and it has to play HDR10 instead of HDR10+ or Dolby Vision.
THIS is the type of review I look for when it comes to TH-cam presenters. Thanks so much for being technical, but understandable, to the point, and professional with your analysis.
To sum up your preference... it's the difference between learning from the Engineers... or from the Sales people... I share your preference for the Engineering perspective. There is a special place in hell for the sales people.
The style of these videos are so straight to the point, and tech reviews need way more of this. Just got into your channel while researching which tv to buy, and they have been more helpful than any tech review videos I've used for researching basically any other kind of product.
Excellent stuff and Happy Holidays to you !
Loved this comparison and the channel in general. Bought the QN90a just now because our room has skylights so we get direct sunlight and an OLED couldn’t survive in that. Your videos made me incredibly well informed about my purchasing decision, so thank you.
So how is it after all this time? Feel you made the right decesion?
Hey get qd oled then
@@romanbennifir6020 still has higher chances of burn in , I watch a lot of football and gaming .
The review we deserve, without the Money we Need right now
There's just something about self emissive technology like OLED that's simply tough to beat right now. It's not without its flaws, but that pixel level precision works wonders for both SDR and HDR.
Yep. I can’t understand LED apologists EXCEPT when talking strictly about peek brightness for HDR. OLED is just frankly a superior panel tech IMO, and it annoys me that Samsung has so stubbornly refused to adopt the tech. It’s why I’m an LG man…
Now, MicroLED on the other hand appears to be the Holy Grail, and Samsung appears to be the first to market with it, so maybe the next generation will be different?
@@OroborOSX11 because they are blind fanboys. Qled is at the same price or even more expensive than lg oleds... I can’t get it they are paying more for an inferior tech that looks absolutely awful in game mode..
Yep, still very happy with my C8, chosen on the basis of Vincent's videos. 👍
@@OroborOSX11 i used both TVS lg c1 and qn90a, i ended up selling lg OLED while the OLED have better blacks it does suffer from lower brightness and it seemed so dim to me, while the QLED have insane brightness that makes colors really pop, and no risk of burn in so QLED is the better TV for me everyone have different preferences.
@@nejihiashi I bought the Sony A80j and I can’t get over how dark and dim it is, I should have gotten the Samsung qn90a.
Short answer - If you watch tv in a bright environment, get the Samsung. If it's a dark room, get the LG.
Honestly, If you watch tv in a bright room you should probably just buy some curtains with your OLED.
@@nerdstrangler4804 That's not really the point. There are many situations where you can't just blacken the room. Like having kids or a family.
you both are right.
@@1Dustin u can't blacken the room becoz u have a family?.. what a stupid argument
@@ihavenoname3925 You can’t darken a room when your wife wants sunlight or you want to watch your kids while they’re playing outside, etc
It’s situational bud.
Thank you for a most exceptional side-by-side comparison.
I saw and learned many technical aspects of picture quality and settings.
Thanks a lot for this excellent video showcasing two iconic HDTV models' strengths and weaknesses!
Very helpful in choosing the right model for my needs.
Haven't seen a better and more detailed comparison. Thank you
This was great! I felt like I was in a lecture lol.
The comparation we were waiting for 👏😊
Backlight is a dealbreaker for me. It's OLED for me until MicroLED is ready. I hope Samsungs OLED will be good. Competition is always great.
I think people go way too easy on Samsung's dynamic tone mapping. It's extremely hard to get a balanced picture (especially in game mode) and impossible to watch anything that is accurate to the creators intent. Is that not a huge deal?
It is, at least for kind of purist people, but many people usually don't care about accuracy. They are happy when they got their eyes melted and everything "pops".
Not true. If you set source as game console you can adjust almost everything and you don't have locked settings. I do that when I connect my PC to play games and it works just fine. Granted, if I use it as PC source then its terrible since settings are locked and the image is poop.
@@JustOneGuy no
IMO it won't matter if it's in light polluted areas like near windows or bright room.
@@FruitlessRoaster Could you elaborate please? What is dynamic tone mapping? Can you turn it off? Im about to buy a TV and thinking of Q90A. I dont care about game modes. My priority is just a good picture watching TV and Movies (also video from PC). On my TVs / Monitors ive always used 'normal' mode. I dont like fancy effects. just want real picture as possible. (within budget - 75" Q90A is my max$) Im worried about lifespan of OLED. Thanks for help
I love technology but don't purchase TVs often. Looking at reviews for these flagship TVs is a breath of fresh air compared to other types of consumer tech. Love how technical this review was and I know exactly which TV I need (my room is bright) without even having to go to the store.
I have one of each of these tvs OLED and a qled..I agree the OLED is better but not buy a large margin. In a bright room the qled is better. They are both great sets
Nice comparison, got a C1 77" and a Samsung Q90T 65", the C1 looks almost 3d due to the picture's depth it's a fantastic set. That said i still find myself going to the Qled for daytime viewing, it's still impressive how it manages to overcome a bright room with ease, the Lg catches all the reflections due to the larger size and glossy panel.
Envious of your financial stabilty. But does 1080p TV content e.g sports and soccer look good on 77"
@@kmow0909 haha not rich dude just worked my ass of for a very long time. Processing and upscaling are class leading and so is motion. What really stands out is the clarity, i haven't seen anything like it yet. If you get the chance get one your jaw will drop, some pretty decent deals already around.
@@Braconara1981 Glad for your purchase. Hope it doesnt get any burn-ins. In my 8 years experience of using OLED smartphones there were no any defects nor flaws.
@@Braconara1981 Also good that you have chosen 77" cos people regret buying 55" immediately. And even 65" owners have remorse but a bit later. You can't upgrade TV so size does really matter.
I've just bought mine and notice this as well
Vincent, please try to obtain a Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 for review. I am sure many of us would like to see it compared to the QN95A.
@TECH LOVER.LOL
@TECH LOVER. they LOL'd because you're believing that absolute marketing lie. There's is approximately ZERO chance it has a 1M:1 contrast ratio. Zero chance.
@@benwhittle7204 I mean OLED has infinite:1 so 1 million:1 doesn't really seem that far-fetched.
@@mvl6800 With OLED, yes of course, by nature of OLED technology, LCD? Not a chance and mini-LED is still and LCD with an LED backlight and will never be able to achieve a 1M:1 contrast ratio. When micro LED TVs come around however, then yeah it has a shot at it since it's no longer using an LCD panel.
@TECH LOVER. you believe a lot of marketing specs......Just because they SAY they do, doesn't make it real. Go look at projectors as well, lots of them claim 1M:1 contrast ratio. Go look at _actual_ measurements of those and LCD monitors, most will be around the 1000:1 ratio.
I had this exact dilemma a month ago and ended up getting the QN95A over the C1, as the potential for screen-burn (no matter how small) is a big worry for me. I'd never be able to relax knowing my kids will leave the PS4 paused for 2 hours when I'm away from the room! That anxiety isn't worth the slightly improved black levels etc. They're both awesome TVs.
I'm in the process of buying a TV these days, I agree with you.Regardless, as the name suggests, organic led will make a ghost logo after 2 or 3 years.You can delay this at the most, but the result is inevitable due to its nature.
@No_Name if not looked after, yes. Modern OLEDs have things built in to try and reduce image retention (screen jiggling, brightness reduction etc.), but it's still a risk. LCD isn't immune to it, but you'd have to leave the image there for weeks as opposed to a few hours.
It's worth mentioning that permanent burn-in and image retention aren't the same thing. OLEDs suffer from both if abused, but most of the time you'd "only" see image retention that can generally be fixed with a screen "wash" etc.
I suspect for most people with normal viewing habits it'll be fine, but if you can't control the usage of the screen it's still a concern for me.
@No_Name washed out colours is something you don't have to worry about with a Samsung! They might even need taming down slightly 😉
@@dave_s_vids They now turn off after a few minutes after leaving them on and you can change settings,Also like you said they have better screens now and precautions to stop it even a slight bit,It’s not really a issue anymore on new OLEDs,Even the normal cheaper ones.
i disagree non organic led is immune to burn in. yes even if you abuse it. i dont get why everyones so hype about oled. even a full array led should be enough to satisfy the average videophile. i have tons of oled screens including 2 smart phones a laptop and 2 oled tv sets and im about to trash them all cause of dead pixels and burn in. youll get a viewing angle and good picture with a miniled qled. thats what i advise getting and get a larger one.
Ended up going with the QN85A. OLED looks amazing, but we have natural light in our living room and the wife tends to leave the TV on all day with a static image. Neo is near OLED, with is fine by me!
In my country Neo QLED is the same price as OLED C1
I had a QLED TV 2018 from Samsung. For a few weeks now, you can see the LEDs shining through individually. The screen is not covered homogeneously. You can see bright spots every few centimeters. It looks like plastic has warped due to the warmth of the very bright LEDs. So the QLED TV lasted until shortly after the warranty. I didn't want to buy a new TV after 3 years. I bought LG OLED. the C1 is as bright at the highest level as the Samsung QLED.
@@MrDahoox I also have a Samsung from 2017 and it has developed some dark strips (pi shaped) which look awful on darker scenes, plus light bleeding.. -thinking it's time to replace it / move it to a less used room.
@@BerryNiceToMeetYou The Samsung LED TVs do not have Dolby Vision. LG has it! I have not yet played on the LG OLED TV. But there is an extra gaming mode. The LG cannot be switched off at night. He then performs the pixel cleaning.
@@BerryNiceToMeetYou We turn off the LG OLED TV normally. But we don't turn off the radio-controlled socket.
I wish I had seen this months ago. I have the QN90A. I'm very happy with it but it seems that the C1 would have been better overall. Thank you regardless. As always great work Vincent!
You would have had to deal with the burn-in risk with OLED and low brightness which is painful when the sun shines.
Did you buy the tv for a living room,? I think you made the right choice. I bought the Sony A80j for my dark bedroom and the picture is so dim and dark it’s not enjoyable to watch, I have to tweak vivid mode, the only mode I enjoy watch anything on. Stick with the qn90a I wish I had bought that instead.
I used both you're better with qn90a, ended up selling lg c1
The C1 is better
@@reaux1560 Thanks for that. I sometimes think I overanalyze perhaps. The QN90A is really great in the living room. I'm thinking of getting a 48in C1 for my office though. Thoughts?
Even if OLED is better at some points, the fact that NEO QLED is so good you need a pitch black room, increased ISO and extremely OLED biased test to demonstrate these things can not be ignored. My current OLED will be moved to the bedroom and replaced by a Neo QLED. It is simply not bright enough for my living-room. As usual, thank you for a great video. I always appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Raised ISO is for making video. With your eye it is more perceivable because human eye having much more dynamic range.
That said, NEO QLED is good for movies but terrible for games. Each person have their own need.
no, it's the opposite. you need an extremely bright room to justify the neo qled because oled is better in basically all normal use cases. not that neo qled is bad... it's just not as good. which is why samsung folded and is going to make OLEDs now to put above the neo qled in their tv range.
Are you telling me that MY experience of MY tv in MY living-room is wrong?
@@olehoiii Yes, you should know how the oled cultist operate by now right.
If your OLED TV was too dim at daytime, your TV was broken or you used wrong settings, or it was older than 2018. You probably never owned an OLED TV and simply is lying about it, like most LCD owners. Most OLED negativity comes from LCD owners that claim to have owned OLED. Meanwhile OLED scores flawless reviews on all huge AV sites.
As somebody who recently bought an LG CX and has been enjoying it but started to wonder if the QN90A would have been better, I appreciate this comparison. It reaffirmed that I made the correct decision for my situation. I’m able to completely control the light in my living room and prefer to watch movies/play games in darkness anyway. Personally, I also find my OLED more than bright enough in SDR and HDR. Perhaps that’s because I upgraded from an incredibly cheap LED, but regardless the OLED seems perfect for my use case. The brightness of QN90A is impressive, but it’s shortcomings would have absolutely bothered me. Of course in the grand scheme of things, both are superb choices that most people would probably be pleased with.
I have the C1 65inch its amazing
Amazing TVs
I just got a new 77" G1 and 7.2.4 surround sound with a Denon 6700 and Elac debut 2 speakers and couldn't be happier. If you're a gamer there's only one option that delivers: LG C and G series OLED's.
If you play games or a lot of bright content the LG CX will not cut it. It didn't for me.
@@chinogambino9375 it does in a dark room
Just a suggestion - It might be worth showing whether the TV is capable of doing Pass-Through of uncompressed LPCM multi-channel audio via eArc. If you are using the 120Hz feature of the latest consoles then it's most likely that you will be going direct from console to the TV 2.1 HDMI port (after all, it's one of the big features of the latest TVs and very few AV amps will allow you to go the other way). So to then discover that the TV is not capable of passing through the uncompressed audio to a soundbar / AV receiver is a bit of a shock. The Samsungs all currently send stereo 2.0 output onwards forcing you select lossy bitstream output options on the consoles in order to set 5.1 or 7.1 output to your speakers. I believe LG and Sony had the same issue but have resolved it. Otherwise great review
I have the Samsung Q80T, but I’m here to see if it’s worth upgrading and noticed your comment. The Q80T definitely supports eARC at 120Hz with Dolby surround sound over the 2.1 HDMI gaming port. I have the PS5 and have no issues with this
I’m literally in love with the neo qled, disappointed by the q95t last year. But this new miniled technology sounds great for the best of qled and a good black level and ( most of all) NO REFLECTION!!! So important for me
Same. I purchased a Q80T last year and then a QN90A this year… the mini led is phenomenal. With my Series X it’s staggeringly beautiful. I do wish it had Dolby Vision but eh :)
@@matthewjalovick no need for Dolby vision on a tv that bright
Wait next year for Samsung Q-Oled
@@heavyweather4893 I should but I’m scared of the cost of this first gen panel, still curious BTW
@@tracer073 that's not how HDR and SDR work...
As someone that went through two Samsung QN90As, I can tell you I'm much happier with my LG C1 now. Too many problems with vertical banding and DSE on Samsung sets. Not to mention blooming in game mode. Great brightness and color volume can't overcome manufacturing issues and too few dimming zones.
I went through 3 QN90A and had a 65 C1 and a 83A90J and prefer my 75Z8H to all of them price to value overall
You can get rid of most the blooming by settings local dimming to standard or low. The default gamemode settings suck, but you can make it look really good with some tweaking.
@@tygobermind3640 You can change source to game console and change many settings that are otherwise locked which can give you much better image. I don't know why people don't talk about that.
Get back to us in about a year and a half, when your burn in starts to creep in.
@@tygobermind3640 I don't deny you can make it look great. Darker scenes do simply fall apart. Not enough dimming zones. Not to mention how everything gets nerfed in game mode. Just the way it is. Honestly it's something I could put up with if the panels weren't all infested with DSE and vertical banding problems.
Edit: As a side note, Samsung's dynamic tone mapping goes against artists/developers intent. Would rather it track properly.
I first bought an LG C1 since OLED is all the buzz, I ended up returning it due to low brightness and being too reflective. I got the Samsung QN95A and it's much much better in my livingroom environment than the OLED. For now, it would seem the OLED TVs are only suitable for dark-room usage.
Me too.
Only good for caves
I hope OLEDs will be able to deliver high APL scenes better eventually. That beach scene at 12:10 is quite a big difference. It looks like the sun is not even out that day on C1
That's because dynamic tone mapping is defintiley disabled on that oled to pReSeRvE cReAtiVe iNteNt, if he enabled it that scene would come to life. But of course at the expense of "accuracy" which is what sophisticated videophiles like vincent strive for
The exposure of Vincent's camera is adjusted to the brightest TV in the room. Making the dimmer TV look darker than in real world viewing. 800nits is plenty if you're not watching in some completely lit up family room.
It's because his camera has been adjusted to the way brighter screen of the Samsung but if money is no object you could always opt for the new LG OLED EVO the G model which is about 30% brighter when viewing Dolby Vision HDR but costs about £3,299 at the moment
I recently updated my 8 year old, 58 inch Panasonic TX58AX802 LCD/LED IPS tv, which at the time was the flagship of the Panasonic range, - to the 65 inch Panasonic JZ1500 OLED tv. I naturally had reservations about brightness levels in my 18 by 16 feet lounge, with one of the 18 feet walls being all window from above 3 feet. Those reservations provwd to be unfounded. I have no issues with screen luminance, even in direct sunlight. That having been said, the screen is at a 90 degree angle to the window!
So, I’ve ended up with a highly impressive 65 inch OLED which cost almost half what I paid for that 58 inch IPS 8 years ago and which is more than adquately bright.
I Just literally sold my 65" B9 and I was deciding between the C1 and the QN90A.
After a very difficult decision I went for the OLED technology again thanks to this video.
The Tv is coming tomorrow and I can't wait playing Series X on it.
U won’t be disappointed
B9 is still a magnificent TV. Why switch now?
Reason is simple - I wanted a better picture quality.
C1 arrived 6hrs ago. The SD/HD upscaling on my satelite receiver (Vu+ Solo 4K) and TH-cam is 10x better than on the B9. The colours are more punchier on every source. The motion looks smoother too. Just played Mauer der Toten on the Series X and I can already see more details that I didn't noticed on the B9. B9 now looks dull.
The only drawback for me atm are the speakers and no 5.1 DTS in eARC/optical.
B9 sounded richer and deeper.
Bear in mind I have tested it only for 4hrs. Still loads of testing to do.
Edit - Every sound feature on the C1 is off now and it's much better but it's still not that good as B9
DTS now work over the eARC. Had to set the sound output to pass though on the C1
I am sorry for asking but for how much did you sold your B9?
And here I still rocking my c6 and x950g combo :)
Im sorry, but after going LG OLED, I can't go back to Led ever. Nor Samsung, Oled just immerses you into every aspect. Playing Gears 5, walking in the dark areas just made me feel like i was in the game.
Led and neo qled are different you need to watch neo qled so you can compare them.
Then you go into the searing light of the sun, then ABL kicks in and its like you are in England on a grey overcast day.
@@chinogambino9375 And then you realise the bight hud of the game has been there for the entire afternoon. Still visable when you watch tv later that night.
But at least the black levels are perfect eh...
Yes oled for gaming is simply amazing. Best picture you can buy. Samsung looks shit in game mode. Everything is grey and washed out.
@@nejihiashi it’s the same washed out picture with blooming.
Nice analysis. This was the best overview I’ve seen. I really like that you take your approach with some established tests
The best video I've seen so far about OLED and QLED. Thank you
I thought about this a lot when I bought my OLED. My room is darker, and the movies I really like are also dark. For many families, I think OLED is a poor choice, but for me, it was the right one. My favorite movies are like Alita, IT, Matrix, John Wick, The Protoge, Joker, Pacific Rim, etc...
Maybe in time there will be a more perfect TV in the next few years, but choosing the best one for your type of movies and environment is important. Thanks for informative and unbiased comparisons like this!
How is OLED with sports? Olympics Skiing, Nascar?
@@johna9292 If your absolutely priorities are perfect black level, uniformity, and viewing angle then OLED is your choice, but for general use is QLED better, it gets much brighter, OLED is just too dark for a bright room, and you will be disappointed.
@@robertriho6541 Thanks to your comment bro
@@yajnalgibno6536 You are welcome. I have C1 OLED and it's too dark for a bright room, but from recent reviews, the new C3 generation is much brighter, 2 or 3 times more nits, so I'm guessing OLEDs are getting very close to QLEDs, but your wallet will cry.
The image degradation on the nqled in game-mode kills it for me since that's my use case 90% of the time. Thank you for covering that part, I'll wait for LG's 42 inch oled early next year.
I agree. I have a CX and was considering switching because of various problem (VRR flicker and horizontal banding among other) but image degradation in game mode here ruins it, might as well go for a random qled tv. I guess I will wait for a next generation of TV but I think I will avoid oled in the future.
As a nqled owner i can tell you the picture is still insane!!!
HEE-HOO!
Just found your channel. What a great in depth comparison. Greatly appreciated.
the point this is missing besides for bright rooms is this. in a few years you will see burned pixels less color and burn in on the oled. meanwhile a miniled will continue to shine with none of those issues. it goes like this.. edge lit < direct < full array < qled < miniled qled < oled < qd oled < micro led. the genius of the qled is that while not equal to oled its darn close. you get benefits i already mention and lower prices especially for screen sizes over 75 inches.
Hey Vincent, would you be able to do a follow up video for the Samsung Q80T/Q90T post firmware update?
Seconded. Even though the 80t is last year it is still in my buying options
Qled all the time.., i just like how bright this TV is!!!...
Very helpful and thorough comparison! Thank you for all the effort 👍
Exactly the comparison I was looking for. Thanks!
When the difference becomes neglible overall, perhaps we should also focus on which design we favor, or which remote and user interface we prefer.
Or perhaps you prefer a split unit, since it only has one cable going to the screen.
No Dolby Vision, no sale. No if's and but's if I'm spending top money on a TV that should last several years.
With a tv as bright as the neo qleds you don’t need Dolby vision
@@tracer073 lol yes they do. They are overpriced junk
@@joKerchy what is overprice junk the Samsung qled?
@@joKerchy Dolby Vision is realy overated as fuck lol
@@tracer073 yes especially in game mode. It looks like a cheap lcd tv from 2012, no blacks whatsoever. Good thing is Samsung is going oled next year.
This video did help me, and saved me money, man I nearly pulled the trigger on the LG OLED. I have a very bright living room, and that LG would've crushed me. Thanks again
I was searching this type of video. Such a wonderful video where i can see the difference, spot on. Great work
Glad I went with the C1. I was really thinking about going with the QN95A for longevity reasons, but that blooming is still pretty bad. Once MicroLED is mainstream I'll be taking a look at that.
The blooming is never that bad in real life, he even points this out in the video - it's the camera ISO causing it to be much more pronounced. In fact, it's unnoticeable a vast majority of the time.
@@ultimatewick I watch a lot of space movies. It's very noticeable in dark scenes with lots of stars.
@@busterscrugs No, on the QN90A It's not
@@ultimatewick Linus from LTT said himself that he can't recognize it while TRYING to see it. He had to cover it up with his hands to notice ANYTHING.
@@emin62bek it’s still a big issue and clearly visible in all content , blooming is horrible on every lcd no matter what content you watch no matter how many dimming zones
I have a big, bright room but I still pick OLED every time I get a new TV because I don't really care that much about the perfect image when I watch stuff on the TV during day-time.
It's the late night movie in full darkness where the TV has to shine!
IMO OLED does a decent job in bright rooms aswell.
this is very true. ever since CRTs went out, the weak point of all screens were dark scenes. i've lived long enough with that annoying washed out look to dark pictures. time to move on for good if i can help it.
Hi Vincent. Thank-you. Reassured now that I purchased the Samsung QN55Q80BA. Great comparison. I appreciate your expertise.
Most complete and professional TV video I've seen. Thank you.
Thank you for the comparison. Will we see a TCL c825 mini LED review or comparison in the future?
I second this
I owned a 65" plasma for 10 years that I used as a HTPC. It only had very minor burn-in towards the end of its life that I could only see on e.g. a solid white screen when standing close to the TV. OLED was a no-brainer to replace it.
My Plasma is 9 years old with 50k hours as a HTPC and still looks new
@@drewcwsj You've probably lost alot of peak brightness though, plasma displays half life for brightness is gernerally around 60k hours.
My 2012 Samsung 65" plasma looked like new in 2021 no burn ins. But the power board went out and it will take a bit to find a repair shop for it so I went OLED C1 as a fill in. Arrives in 2 days.
My Panasonic 600hz plasma still running with better image than any led. Sadly only 1080p.
very good review. Direct and to the point. What type of price gap is there between these two technologies?
Fantastic and professional review. I have an older Samsung in the living room, absolutely love it, but I will get an LG OLED for the bedroom.
Stick with my cx n love it everysingle time i turn on.
Give it about 18 months. Burn in is inevitable.
@@Jg-be7it 4 year Best Buy Geek Squad warranty on mine (covers Burn-in). Bring on the burn-in🤣
@@Jg-be7it utter bullshit the cx is now coming to 18 months, no mass reports of burn in
@@R1ckmister Says who? You?
@@dions4683 It is hilarious that you have to pay for an extra third party warranty because the TV you already paid a premium for can't handle actually being used like a TV.🤣
I like watching my qn90a with full brightness at night, my ambilight (hyperbian) complements the viewing experience nicely.
Thank you very much. Great info. I'm waiting for LG C2 next year. Presently I watch TV/movies on my monitor.
Havnt been here for ages...nice vid vince. So nothings really changed with the advantages and disadvantages of both technologies.
Youre right of course..its all about what works for you.
That Gravity clip looked surprisingly good on the QLED.
It is a crime that people would risk burn in for this small difference in picture 🤦♂️
Still QLED technology trying very hard to compete with OLED technology, but OLED still a legend.
Just want to point out a clear flaw in LG’s MCFI algorithm on the LG CX…which I’m also curious, if this affects the 2021 models as well?…..figured I’d point them out, since you pointed out some clear flaws in this video, which I have experienced myself as well. I’m also curious how many other CX owners experience this issue. I’ve seen it all over the forums, so I know it’s not just me.
This issue is a near black flicker, which becomes very, very apparent in HDR/DV content, and is immersion breaking, leaving MCFI unusable to me. Even at the lowest values, it’s very noticeable. It’s almost as if the interpolated frames have a different gamma or something.
All I can say is this drives me crazy, and I thought a fix would of come via a FW update by now. I knew I should of returned this set, once I discovered how broken DV really was. Still beating myself up over this.
I wanna see Samsung QN90A vs LG QNED 90 for those of us not buying OLED.
get the samsung qn90a. there you go.
The will be QN90A VA panel is superior. But It would be interesting for the people who can't get the VA panel version. So and IPS QN90 IPS vs QNED 90 would make more sense. But an other tv with VA panel (like QN90T) would still probably be a better buy.
@@StarsAtNight1 What about the QN90a dirty screen effect - wont that be eliminated with the IPS? Also LG has dolby vision and usually has better gaming correct? Also wondering about viewing angles. Hope you can compare even though the QN90a 'should' be better.
@Doug Chism All type of lcd displays have to a degree of DSE. Contrast is king in image quality. The QN90A VA has a wide viewing layer, that increases the viewing angle but decrease the contrast. Overall the contrast is still a lot better than an IPS panel could ever deliver. I don't care what you buy. If you want an LG, buy the LG.
@@StarsAtNight1 I'm not sure which one I want!
Do you plan on reviewing the TCL C825, Vincent?
Just bought the Neo Qled 8590c and its outstanding. Unless you have TV's sitting next to each other it does not matter, once a decent set is in your house its all good.
I really like the neutral tech heavy delivery of this channel. absolutely no BS talk here. sometimes I have to google stuff he mentions... that's rare!
The Sony Bravia OLED is my choice, crazy clear and bright. My son loves gaming on it. Let Me rephrase that, it’s his choice.
He like it couse he didnt play on LG C1 ;)
Nice video. For me it's always going to be Neo QLED because I like being able to watch in a bright room without closing the blinds. Sitting in a dark room is kinda depressing 😅
But OLEDs have anti reflection and if you buy a A90J it's more than bright enough.
@@salesfocus6270 actually it is not bright enough. Ofcourse it depends on you room. One wall of mynlibing rooms is pure class to the south. It is dark only in winter nights… and most time of the year… super bright… good in TV, not so much in watching room ;)
All in all i like oled a lot, but they are not even near bright enough to all day wieving experience in my case… So asn winsent said. Both TV types has it merits and plase where it shine…
Why would you watch movies in a bright room???
@@salesfocus6270 From comparison videos the Samsung QLEDS anti reflective screen is a big plus point and far better. I have the Samsung Q90R and cannot see myself or surroundings in the TV at all, its like I'm a vampire. lol
@@turrican4d599 Because watching any screen in a dark enviroment fucks up your eyesight.
Thank you for you great work reviewing these TV's so thoroughly.
Can't wait for you to dig into the 2022 QD OLEDs. Going to be really interesting.
I watched this on an LG OLED, and I could really see the differences. I think it helps to have a high-quality television in order to get the full impact of these tests.
im happy i bought the QLED Neo, much better :))
A good review, but there's something about it you should consider.
OLED is superior out of the box. There's little question about that. But I'd love to see a comparison over the life of the product. This is something I've yet to see from any review. Durability. So when contemplating a new TV ask yourself some questions. What are your expectations on longevity? Are you looking to keep it 5 years? 10 years? What? It's a big purchase. Most people will not be swapping theirs out like a fresh pair of underwear. Ummm....so to speak.
And as importantly, what are your usage patterns? Do you simply watch dynamic programs, videos and films without a lot of static images? Or do you watch a lot of business, news, sports channels , weather channels etc. that are usually replete with static images? Where am I going with this?
Burn in.
Simply put OLEC burns in. I've a 65' LG OLED TV that's about 6 years old now, and I can clearly see the burn-in of static images from some of the channels I mentioned that I watch a great deal (Business Chnl, sports, etc.). If you plan to swap out TV's after 2 to 4 years then I don't see a problem. OLED wins.
But if you're looking to use it for a decade or more I'd advise staying away from OLED. Burn in, once it starts only gets worse. You won't like it after a time. Samsungs product may run a similar risk, but I suspect its probabilities are lower than OLED over that decades worth of time and use.
Just some thoughts worth about that much
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American Net'Zen
I agree. Despite Samsung's continued eArc issues I bought the QN95 partly because I am not sure the OLED will look as good in 5-10 years time, but also because in a bright room there's not really any choice. To me OLED is much worse in a bright room than QLED in a dark one, because while QLED has FALD to largely compensate, and get pretty damn close to OLED int he dark, OLED is just completely stuffed in a bright room and therefore a bigger compromise
The newer oleds are substantially better about burn in than the ones from 6 years ago.
@@DanielBlaney Meh, there's still a risk and they'll eventually burn in. Even if they employ tricks against burn-in, the image also degrades because burn-in is just a phenomenon of uneven degradation. OLED displays are sorta disposable, so you have to keep that in mind when purchasing.
@@leonro My 2007 panasonic plasma is still going strong and OLED last longer. Durability concerns are completely unwarranted.
@@thomasfischer9259 That's just a personal anecdote, one plasma TV that looks good to you. I'm certain that you babied your TV, or were at the very least conscious of the burn-in issues. You can't expect everyone using the TV to take good care of it, and it will still degrade even if you make sure there's no static images. A great screen that's degraded by 20% in maybe 5 years will still look quite good. If you want an anecdote, my Samsung S5 bought a few months after launch had really bad burn-in after 3 years, maybe it appeared after around 2. I know a factor would be that it got really heated with light use, but that's still an anecdote. What isn't an anecdote is that OLED is made of organic material, which degrades with use and over time. Image quality will worsen with each use by incremental amounts even if no image gets burned in.
Wow. I have a G9 Neo and a LG OLED, I can't believe how lucky I am to find this ultra in-depth comparison. This really helped me to figure out which one I should use for which purpose!
So which one is better?
@@mrcoolorhot8595 Technically the OLED, but I'm literally painting my near-windowless room black (no kidding) in hopes that that will make my C9 bright enough.
@@Niberspace hehehe nice. But seriously the OLEF is way better than QLED?
Very informative but not too much tech talk which can egt boring for most people.
Very good, thanks!
I'd like to see a comparison of a 5 year old oled Vs a 5 year old full array local dimmer that have both see regular use.
My 5 year old lg just hit replaced right b4 the warrenty ended due to terrible burn in. I payd £2,600 for the 55 inch and was given £1,500 in vouchers to buy a new one. 5 years is not long for a 2 grand plus TV really. Gone are the days of 15 year lasting tvs lol.
@@truthhurts2879 And that’s why you don’t get an OLED TV. If I was you I would’ve rather gotten a flagship LCD/LED (I think there was no QLED from Samsung back then) because it wouldn’t get burn ins after a few years and flagship LCDs/LEDs from Samsung are good too and have good colors. OLED is really only good for small screens under 7 inches (for example smartphones). A LCD/LED can last you 15-20+ years, an OLED will only last you 5-6 years max.
Most people keep their TVs for over 10 years until they upgrade or when the TVs die and don’t turn on anymore.
@@armeniancrusader301 How many TV's in your house are 10 years old? I don't think that stat applies anymore.
@@michaelyounes29 Mine is 10 years old (Samsung UE46D8000 LED Full HD Smart TV) most people probably only upgrade after 10-15 years because a TV (if you buy a real TV and not a 300-400$ toy, I’m not saying 300-400$ is little, it’s not much for a whole TV but if you’re buying a TV at least get one that won’t be an eyesore to look at, decent TVs start at 700-800$ and if you can’t afford to immediately pay for one then save money and get one) is an expensive investment and it’s a hassle to move the old one out of the way, put out the TV, set it up etc.
Only rich people get 1500-3000$ flagship OLED/Neo QLED TVs (such as shown in this video) and upgrade only 5-6 years later.
@@truthhurts2879 Hasn't technology improved to avoid burnin in OLEDs in the meantime? I suppose for that 1500 you can buy something of a quality at least similar to what you had 5 years ago. It's only sad from a durability perspective.
Personally, I go for color accuracy, and contrast. So, I will go a "VERY GOOD" OLED every time, which it sounds Samsung is agreeing, since they are developing a new hybrid based on OLED technology. That said, the only advantage of actual QLED, or any LCD is the ability to offer a brighter picture, which means nothing to me. I can always darken the room when it comes to watching a good flick in all its glory.
Great great great video! Very detailed and right to the point over and over again.
Just received my QN85A and I don't know why it got all that hate?! The blacks are so deep and the local dimming is beautiful. Yes without local dimming it's ugly but why would I turn it off!
Even when the OLED displayed a visibly dimmer image, there was still something deeper to the image, compared to the QLED.
crushed black?
@@jonathaningram8157 yeah on qled for sure.you dont even know what crushed black is.and its not always a bad thing.overbrightenig shadow detail is way worse than that.its a bad thing if you see what you should not see
@@bigben9056 Bro, the C1 just has a problem with black crushing, It is a legit problem
Well worded intro Vincent - 'for your needs' is something people have trouble with.
Very true..Sony care very much about their own needs why delivering false promises...
@@mrwalker6026 your meds have run out, wipe the dribble off your shoulder.
Vincent showed an LG OLED because the Sony obliterates both of these TV's for PQ.
@@26101976bdm Wouldn't it be wonderful to be the proud owner of the Sony X900h right now...18 months and still no VRR as promised, blurring and colour banding at 120 Hz doesn't sound like superb PQ to me....
Forgive me but I want a TV that's good at everything and covers all bases without compromising one feature at the expense of another 🤷♂️
Learned a lot from your channel. Well done!
This was a fantastic review! Thank you very much!
Oled is clear the winner, you have however to find a way to avoid static content on it and that is very hard as many games have static menus.
I have had a B7 oled for a few years now. I game a lot. I have gotten used to switching to the menu every 30 minutes to an hour while gaming. I don't watch any TV with static images either. You really have to try to get burn in on the TV from my experience. The same was true with Plasma. I was worried when I got it but snagged a new one for such a cheap price and I can never go back.
@@tigerlife7530 how much time you stay on the menu screen?
@@Adamantaimai just 10 or 20 seconds. And I mean sometimes I will game for 10 hours straight on a weekend. I have really put the tv through it and I can't be more pleased. Get a sound bar if you can.
The software on reducing burn-in has become so good that it isn’t an issue at all anymore. Nowadays they even advertise it being the better game tv. You just don’t want to pull the plug after turning the tv off with the remote, because then you interrupt this pixel refresh program and that greatly increases the chance of getting burn-in
@@tigerlife7530 Hey, I think you're mis-understanding OLED burn-in. It's not about single session duration, instead it's the cumulative effect over time of bright static content in the same screen position that causes burn-in. You're wasting your time if you think occasionally switching to a menu during a single viewing session is going to help. It'll make no difference whatsoever, other than to interrupt the enjoyment of your game.
It'd be really cool to see the Sony A90J or A80J Vs neo Qled. Even just to compare the upscaling and tone mapping.
It wonton change the overall that HDR a is better on LEDS
I just bought the LG OLED65B16LA as it was on offer from RS for £1,131.10 and as I can't personally see any difference in picture quality to the C1 that price was perfect for me, the Samsung Neo QLED QN95A was selling for £1,599 with a £300 cash back so £1,299 so still £167.90 less than the Samsung, and I still think the OLED's picture quality is superior to NEO QLED's even if they can go much brighter for me it's the perfect contrast and the total black where OLED wins plus I love Dolby Vision not available on Samsung TV's. Thanks for the review as always in depth with clear explanations.
Thanks for the review! After watching carefully, I have concluded that I am still poor to afford either of them.
Oled is king
Until whatever next will come at an affordable price of ... £10k
Guys, I'm a tech noob. When I watched this video, I came up with the below equation. Do you think my observation is right?
QLED = good at bright scenes, poor at dark scenes
OLED = average at bright scenes, good at dark scenes
Not really, too many variables.
Always a great video presentation!
clear and to the point, at a great pace. SUBSCRIBED
well done and interesting, thanks
Do you see those 2 dead pixels on the Samsung?
Very detailed review brother, good job keep it up.
Of course, black and contrast are better on OLED, but ... on a bright day, this difference is small. OLED has a screen like a mirror, everything is reflected. There is also a risk of burnout. Also, the HDR effect is much weaker on OLED. If they improved it a bit, OLED would be perfect. Unfortunately, it is not perfect.
I say that was a fair comparison! I pretty much saw what you saw, and you were on point. I'll say the LG has a better picture for darker content and the QLED is better in brighter content! Hasn't nothing changed, each still has the same problems! 😅
That's why MicroLED is a thing, it solves both problems :-P and yeah the price is high but that was always like this when some new tech came out. Looking forward in 10 years when MicroLED TV's will drop down the prices like Oled's did lol.
@@BlackBullPistol i’ve never heard of microled before. is this suppose to be better than both of these combined & or oled? i will research this weekend. i want to upgrade for a lg c1 but i have a good sony xbr900e so i can easily wait another 2 years on upgrading.
@@BlackBullPistol Do elaborate, never heard or mLED.
I would go for Samsung QN95A as its much brighter than OLED (especially noticeable in bright rooms) and that it has zero burn in anxiety.
The blacks are not as great as OLEDs but believe is more than adequate now for late night movie viewing
Proud QN900A owner
Thnx for the distinctions. Never quite know the difference until now.
I love the comparison but can you please do a comparison using the Samsung 900T 8K Neo Qled Versus LG C1 please please that would be very nice cause that's what I'm debating on which TV to get.thanks
Great video! Thank you for adding gaming-specific testing, like the lag test. Those are actually important to gamers (and I shared this video to the gaming channels I am part of).
And I guess I'll have to stop giving LG crap, then. Good Game, LG!
I've seen others get below 6ms on the QN90A. So what would you say about that with the lag test? Also 1-2ms means NOTHING in inputlag. 1ms is one one-thousands of a second.
@@loki76 I don't know how much it's that important, but it seems to be to speedrunners.
@@loki76 the more important number is response time. The LG C1 has a true 1ms GTG response time. Check out hardware unboxed video on it. Its truly incredible. Backlit tv's are simply dated. Nothing can match OLEDs in terms of black level and colour contrast. OLED is the clear winner. I'll never understand why people put their TVs in rooms with direct sunlight either. If you're going to shell out 2 grand for an expensive TV. Spend significantly less and get some black out curtains, window shades or some blinds. Small thing to do to get a MUCH better picture.
@@loki76 not to mention the LG C1 has 4 hdmi 2.1 ports. Try plugging in an Xbox Series X, a PS5 and an RTX 3000 series equipped PC to the Samsung at the same time, see what happens.
@@RyhtymFiend I have a pc and ps5 and a 4k player so I needed these ports. The only downside is the possibility of burn in and the heavy price tag
The HDR test should be done with Dolby Vision and HDR10 and HDR10+ so we can see the difference when one TV supports the format and the other doesn't and it has to play HDR10 instead of HDR10+ or Dolby Vision.
love my LG Oled.... sticking with it for a few more years.. Great review!