Rangers Seeking Answers After Loss to the Panthers
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- This is a good team and should remain a good team for at least the next few years, but what needs to be done to get the elusive Cup back to New York?
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“Wanna see me waste a generational goalie’s career?”
“Wanna see me do it again?”
It would not shock me at all to see Igor bounce after his deal is up.
Even as a Caps fan, I'm really hoping he wins a cup
As a devil's fan this makes me laugh so hard. But as a hockey fan I do like Igor.
@@Ryyder64 Same exactly with me lol. And I loved Hank too. It was a shame to never see him win a Cup but never wanted him to raise it with the Rangers.
Who knows how much winning the Cup means to these guys in the end though. I always thought that Hank wanted to be in New York moreso than anything else and if he won one along the way then all the better for him. Igor might be the same way.
@@peterroberts4415 Might you have seen 2BCproductions second to most recent video? Caps won the cup with the oldest team Ive ever seen. Youngest guy was 27 and average was 34.
Blues fan here - no dog in the hunt. Folks, this shows how incredibly HARD it is to win The Stanley Cup. Both teams were worthy. All 6 games were close and entertaining. As Shannon noted, when you get to the top teams, there’s a lot of parity. Part of that is due to hockey’s hard salary cap. And that’s why the NHL is so compelling. You can’t build a dynasty by spending unlimited money like you can in MLB baseball. Also, due to the physical nature of hockey, there’s also the injury factor. While a player may not be on the injury list, he may be less than full-strength.
It was interesting how the Panthers retooled 2 years ago to become more physical. It will be interesting to see how the Rangers and other Eastern Divisions retool to address next season.
They are NOT close. FLORIDA beat them into the ground. ONly Igor, some luck and the PP made it a series.
Rangers stars did not "vanish"
they were MADE invisible
They are built wrong as are the Hughes led Devil-girls
Florida is built right, Vegas too, as is I think Edmonton and Dallas. Boston is built well, just not deep enough and Carolina is built well, but might need to switch a few parts. Ther stars still all produced
Rangers stars Fox (0 goals .5pts per game), Panarin (0 goals most of round 2 and 3) and Zjad to a certain extent (especially during 5 on 5) are not playoff performers
They are not tough enough and not built for the playoffs
If it was not for Igor Rangers would have finished behind CArolina and then bounced by the Isles in 5 or 6.
At this rate they might not win again until after 2040
Getting players who can play physical AND score is key.
Good thoughts..and I agree. What made me so happy were Caps..then Blues winning Cups..teams I had cheered for as an NHL fan at large for a long time.
@@GizmoBeach Sort of like, say, the Edmonton Oilers.
At least you have a Cup. My beloved Jets make me bang my head against the wall every year in frustration
ESPN just didn't talk about 1994 enough. At least five more references to the guarantee would have made all the difference in the world!
This right here: the folks at ESPN must be sad that their house team got bounced last night.
@erics8033 yeah but Gary Bettman was thrilled
Sarcasm is funny
WFAN sports talk radio on New York made too many references to the Spring of 1994 with both the Knicks and Rangers making their deep championship runs!!!!!
They were good runs and it kept the talk from talking about the mess in Queens with the Mets and the Yankee Dominance in New York, it’s about deep ribs and winning Lord’s Stanley Cup along with the NBA’s Larry O’Brian Trophy. Go Rangers Go Knicks Go New York Go New York GO!!!!! The worlds most famous arena Madison Square Garden
'94 ---> '24
My personal feelings are that Artemi Panarin and Mika Zibenajad are just not the kind of players who can win you a cup. They're great in the regular season, but when things get tough in the playoffs they just dont show up
Artemi was sooooooo gassed in game six. He looked like he needed an IV and shot of insulin
They're finesse players who will get you to the playoffs with a high seed. But you need grinders, fore-checkers, guys who finish their checks to win a cup.
This Rangers team reminds me a lot of the Rangers from 10 years ago a good team with an excellent goaltender that takes them further then they probably should have.
It’s exactly the same.
Ok...here the deal. From 2012 to 2024- Every Ranger playoffs disaster is because of one common theme......a total lack of COJONES.
Think of it. Everyrime they lose the other team OUT-COJONED the NYR.
The Rangers in crunch time wore down, got tired, and were physically owned.
Just like they always do when they get beat.
@@yoholmes273 Sad but true
@@yoholmes273 yup, exactly. Same thing that happened to us during the regular season, right before the all star break. They prefer to coast and take it easy, they have zero killer instinct, they are way too soft, looking for referees to bail them out and give them power plays and they whine like little babies. There's a core lack of toughness with this team, really need to get rid of Mike, Panarin, Trouba (disgusting that he's the captain) and Kakko at least. Bring Edstrom up and let him play, play Zac Jones.
@@GregAllenF1 miles different. Those Lundqvist era teams had no ELITE talent, closest was Nash and he was already getting too old.
ooof trouba is so overpaid
Worst Ranger on the ice.
Trouba is soooooo bad at hockey 🏒
Been saying that since day one.
Trouba was supposed to be a power play QB and hard hitter as a bonus. That might have been worth $8m/yr.
Tony DeAngelo comes in and steals the offensive defenseman role (in more was than one). Then Fox comes in and does it all. He makes Trouba just a heavy hitter... And that's not worth the money at all.
Yeah, he's gotta go. Way too many penalty minutes and I question whether his leadership as a #5 defenseman is worth it. To me, he is easily replaced by Kreider as captain.
Ranger's management has a lot to think about. The right wing on the top line was a black hole all season long (Wheeler, really?), and management did a poor job addressing this at the trade deadline (Roslovic, again really?). This line needs a "Tkachuk-like" player. They also have to address the Fox-Panarin Paradox, which is the Rangers cannot get to the playoffs without their skill but cannot win in the playoffs because their diminutive size and lack of physical play. They need to build a bigger, stronger, and more aggressive team. Rempe was a recognition of this, but he alone is not the answer.
And let's give credit to where credit is due. Over the last three years in aggregate the Panthers are arguably the best team in the NHL. Three years ago they won the President's Trophy. Last year they made it to the Stanley Cup Finals and along the way beat the Boston Bruins who had just had the greatest regular season ever. This year they beat a hot and streaking Lightening team (4 to 1), a solid Bruins team (4 to 2), and the Rangers (4 to 2) who had a great regular season winning the President's cup. They will likely win the Stanley Cup in no more than six games, no matter their opponent. As a Rangers' fan I see no shame in losing to the Panthers. They are just that damn good.
Fox had 23 points in 20 games the last time the Rangers went to the ECF. Don't really think it's a paradox, he wasn't the same after that knee-on-knee collision in the Caps series. Cale Makar is essentially the same size as Fox, as is someone like Kucherov. So they must also be too diminutive and lacking in physical play to win with, yes? Jonathan Marchessault and Brayden Point are both shorter those other players and were among the top points scorers in the league the years they won.
Such a tired talking point with no basis in reality.
Agree, but lay off Fox. He was obviously playing hurt.
@@cthomas025 Every other player you mentioned plays a MUCH faster and more physical style of play than Fox. I think if Fox is healthy, we still see struggles against a team like Panthers.
People often seem to not understand what it means to get more physical or more tough. It does not mean sending Matt Rempe out there to skate in a straight line and throw his body at someone, or get into a fight for no reason. It does not mean Jacob Trouba catching someone with an open ice hit every game or two. It means they need an entire roster of guys willing to take a hit to make a play, willing to go into the corners and dig for pucks every single chance they get, willing to block a shot whenever they can.
Big hits ≠ the toughness it takes to win a playoff series. They need physical guys who can win and then hold onto pucks.
This. I'd change Rangers fans to Rangers organization and it would be 100%. Sam Bennett, Ryan O'Reilly, Mark Stone are playoff tough. Trouba, Rempe, Ryan Reeves are 1970's tough.
That is a perfect take with a dumb conclusion to start. Basically what you are describing are the Lundkvist Rangers. Trust me Rangers fans know alllllllll about grit and we know we have none. Trouba is the worst contract in the NHL and this tam will go nowhere while he remains on the roster. They have however been drafting those 2 way forwards, they are just not there yet. Cullye, Otthman (who by the way was a big fail not to mention in this video) Berard, etc.. These are all the kinds of players the rangers are in desperate need of. Having a Panarin is fine. But you can only have 1 maybe 2 guys who are strictly scorers. Laff has taken and will continue to take a huge step forward. Understand his points are almost all 5v5. If he gets on the first PP he will likely climb up to and 80-90 pt range and he plays hockey the right way. With heart and grit. But Zbad has to go. Trouba has to go. Miller has regressed every year since he first broke onto the scene. That alone is close to 20 mil in Salary on the wrong kind of players.
Rangers fans know exactly what it means to get more physical.
We aren't the ones making the moves bud.
The reason why there is so much hype around Rempe is because he showed up and immediately started trying to send guys to outer space.
@@andrewshlomovich3566 I changed it to "people" bc you're right. Living in NYC my beef is the fake ranger fans who come out every playoffs and talk about nonsense. But clearly anyone watching this channel is not that, so that's my bad.
@@chriswilliams4575 see other comment I changed it. That's my bad
Hockey gods: you gotta lose to learn to win:
Me: we done losing yet?
Until 2018 this was me as a caps fan
You got to round 3 you could be Buffalo
@@ryans413sometimes I wonder if it’s better to never be disappointed compared to always being disappointed
For Rangers fans this feels like 2015 since it has been that long since we’ve truly believed in a team but this roster is in a way different spot. Laf, Fox, Igor no matter how you look at it is a hell of a place to start. Still have their first rounder this year and around $11 million in space. I wonder if they try to get creative and move a piece of this core this offseason. This isn’t some empty prospect pool either the likes of Adam Sykora, Brennan Othmann, Gabe Perreault, and Brett Berard should be supplementing this roster with cheap labor but Drury has to get his hands dirty and truly make this roster his and not just a mess of leftover ingredients he was given by Davidson and Gorton. Schneider is the only RFA they NEED to bring back. I think they should in all honesty move on from Lindgren unless he’s willing to take an extremely team friendly deal and Kakko is best used as trade bait potentially along with the 30th overall pick for a RW1 of some kind. They have to reshape the back end and that starts with finding a way off Trouba. Give Zac Jones a shot but also bring in Montour or Pesce from UFA. Shop Zibanejad but I’m really not sure there’s gonna be anything out there that makes sense but who knows
Spot on except for Lindgren. The team falls apart when Lindgren isn't in the lineup. He deserves a top contract. On the other hand, Rangers should look to move on from Trouba.
People are constantly making the Edmonton McDavids joke, but the fact of the matter is, Oilers are far less dependant on McDavid than Rangers are on Shesterkin. McDavid has been really bad in many games during the playoffs. Countless turnovers, bad passes and a lack of offensive production. But the Oilers have generally been just fine without his contributions, with different guys stepping up at different times.
But if Shesterkin flounders even a little bit, it feels like Rangers have no chance of winning. And honestly, it's kind of the same thing with Dallas and Oettinger. Which is why it's so funny hearing people talk about the Oilers' supposed lack of depth, when Oilers and Panthers are genuinely the only two teams in the conference finals who don't need any one player to single-handedly win them games.
Fully agree. Dallas with their backup goalie doesn't even qualify for the playoffs.
Absolutely and I’m hardcore rangers fan. But I’m a hockey fan as well and that’s right on point
Rangers fan checking in. I’d like to see us move on from Trouba, and I’d be ok with either Zibanejad or Panarin going. I think in the case of Trouba, he should have never been captain, and he’s become a liability both defensively and taking bad penalties and throwing dirty hits. For Zib and Panarin, I think both of them have that stigma of not being physical enough for the playoffs, and I don’t think you can really carry two stars on your roster like that and not expect the same results.
Are The Rangers Interested in Marner? Id Love Zibanejad on the Leafs. They should do a trade and see if a change in surroundings and being on different teams works out for at least one team right away like how the Stafford and Goff trade worked out for the Rams right away.
Panarin is very disappointing in the post season. Without his regular season production we're a totally different team. We need him. I'm on board with a Trouba buyout and trading Mika
Marner?? No Ty, the Rangers have plenty of soft players already!
@@freetimeflip6438marner? Another playoff no show 🤣
They need grit and talent, not another "I'm gonna try to have a top 10 regular season " guy.
Perfectly said. Panarin I would keep over Zib. He is not a high caliber first line center and costs too much to be placed on the third line. I am not breaking up that 2nd line and think next year Laf and Tro can be physical enough with some new D men to support Panarin not being physical.
Shesterkin 🤝 Lundqvist
You know the rest, no need to write it down😂
Neither got the cup 😂
Literally the exact same lol. Rangers with Shesterkin and Lundqvist will win in the playoffs until they face another elite goaltender which basically negates their advantage. Saw it in 2014 against Quick, 2022 against Vasi, this year against Bobrovsky, and so on
Would have been fun having the Avs and Rangers in the end so we could call the Cup final the "legacy of Lundqvist".
@@addeSYNCwhy the Avs?
@@JD200_ Because they also have Georgiev
Gotta give the panthers credit. They have come into the playoffs with a single goal in mind, the stanley cup. Every player is finishing checks or taking the hit to make a play and skating hard the whole game.....
As a very happy Panthers fan from what happened last night, I guess we can finally put this "Lafrenière is a bust" story behind. Dude was probably our biggest nightmare in this series, alongside Shesterkin.
Kakko on the other hand...
lafreniere was never a bust
@@diggsfather He didn’t have a point in the playoffs last season, many people were calling for him to be traded this past offseason
@@diggsfather Then why did 90 percent of the Ranger fanbase want him gone last offseason?
Not a bust but still below Timmy and Raymond.
Kakko will leave New York at some point and finally show why he was a top draft pick. The Rangers can only play him in the third line with scrubs, because their first two lines are pretty much pure rush lines. You put him in a team that plays a possession/cycle game and he's easily a top6 guy immediately.
One Cup in 85 years (at least).
2024 joins 2022, 2017, 2015, 2014, and 2012 as the most recent playoff disappointments of an NY Rangers club that can’t get it done when it most counts.
Serious questions need to be asked of this core now. Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider, Kakko (!), and a lot of others have had the last three years worth of opportunities, and they’ve come up woefully short.
Congratulations to the Florida Panthers and their fans, your team was a step ahead and a frequency above NYC throughout the whole series.
You forgot last year.
Maybe they stole the Maple Leafs blueprint
@@NHLCrazy2007Last year wasn’t really a disappointment in that they were the underdog and it was a round 1 loss not ECF or SCF loss. Also, the Rangers got an amazing prospect by losing last year.
How do you not mention how bad trouba is lmao
From 2012 - 2024 was is the common through line to all the Rangers collapses and defeats?????
Simple obvious answer - NO COJONES!!!
Every time they lose, the other team clearly OUT-COJONED the Rangers.
That simple fact is the reason The NYR are golfing today instead shining up multiple Cups.
This is a devastating way to get eliminated but it was a fun season till the end. Probably one of my favorite seasons. I have a lot of hope for next season if they can make the right moves over the summer. Rangers are a finesse team so I hope they find physicality to fill the gaps.
The Panthers were an amazing team last year that got to the SCF and have only improved since then. Now the Rangers need to do the same.
Panthers are a unit. At this point, I'm assuming they're the favorite regardless of who comes out of the west. That team defense is stifling
@StormyDomain Yeah, that is exactly what the book on the Oilers has said since they took the first 15 games off to rest for the playoffs.
@@user-sm3ii5dk1uHuh?
Not sure I understand how Edm's bad start equates to how they would match up with Fla now...??
Both teams are playing for finalist/second place. No one is beating Florida.
@StormyDomainare you serious? Go look at the stats man oilers are dominating 5 on 5, PP, PK, 5 players in the top 10 for points, Dallas for check is a snooze fest with the 1 man forchecker, oilers coach out coaching deboer, man there’s a reason oilers are up 3-2 right now they’ve been really good and people still continue to sleep on them
Dallas at least has a goaltender that is just naturally gifted (no secret sauce jab by training staff like stewie)
Ultimately I think Florida would lay out Dallas players enough to make them a little nervous about doing certain things.
I need to see it play out, oilers need to just give up now.
I’m a Jets fan. I’ve been seeking answers for decades now. I don’t think there are any.
Agree
Beat anyone you face before the Oilers and you'd have a chance to move on. Winnipeg and Colorado were the only teams I feared for the Oilers.
@@mossman100 never thought I’d say this but I’d like to see the oilers win it all this time
Someone from Canada has to win it right?
Zibanejad is signed to an AAV of 8.5M till 2030. I dont know if that contract is moveable without some retention.
We'll trade him for Darnell Nurse lol
going to have to eat half of Trouba's most likely as well.
He can stay but he will never have any faith from Rangers fans ever again. I’m sick of him disappearing in the playoffs when the team needs him most. 4 goals in the last 26 playoff games is disgusting behavior. He will never hoist a Cup as long as he’s known as a 1C
Panthers have great structural defense. Great forecheck and gap control. The entire team buys in. And they have the best shutdown defenseman in the league. They are battle tested and have been on the warpath all year. I knew they were going to the cup finals 3 weeks ago when I learned that the players took it upon themselves to rent ice 2 weeks after the season ended to get back to work. The winner of the west is going to have their hands full. This team doesn't take half the game off like most teams. They roll 4 lines for 60 minutes and grind you down. Then take games over in the 3rd period. Good luck.
Maybe you didn't hear that the Oilers and McDavid began their own training camp fully a month before the training camp opened, and then took the 1st 15 games off as "extended training". Since then they have had the best record in hockey. We probably would have had trouble against Winnipeg, maybe against Colorado, but sadly for the league, no other team is really built to beat the Oilers, since they were all built to beat losing teams & structures.
good luck ? not sure what you mean by teams take the half the game off. Are you saying the rangers quit ? wanna see a team quit ? Watch game seven of detroit colorado when detroit scored seven goals.
Trouba all year had been really hard to watch
Thanks for the video, Shannon!
Doesn’t Zib have like 5 years left at 8.5m? It might be movable because he’s still quite good, but it’s still got plenty of term
Nobody is touching that contract for a guy who is basically guaranteed to not perform in the playoffs, especially when things get hard. If Zibanejad couldn't perform playing on top of this Rangers team, he won't do it anywhere else either.
Send him back to Ottawa
@@Wayf4rer oh teams would be interested. Utah, Seattle just to name a few. These teams are going to want to take a step and have ton of cap space. Just need to find a ok-ish replacement/return.
Zibanajed had a very good playoffs going until Burns broke his stick cross checking him in the back. He wasn’t the same after that.
The dreaded NMC
As a Rangers fan, i think we have to accept that we were just outplayed and the better team won. Congrats to the Panthers. That being said, I am curious how this series would have looked if Panarin and Zibanejad actually showed up and were in it from the get go. Even though the Panthers defense is awesome, it is hard to accept a guy with a 11.5 million cap hit to do close to nothing. It is not just that he didn't score but he was hardly visible. He and Zib - along a couple of other guys - have to be better. I could go on about the mediocre defense of Miller and Trouba...
Anyway, the biggest question mark to me going forward: Is this core good enough with Panarin and Zibanejad on the front? As much as it pains me to say this, I don't think so. On the positive side: Lafreniere looks pretty promising right now and he should certainly be the guy to build around in the next few years.
Not outplayed. OWNED.
The Rangers got OWNED.
One Team has big cojones. One team had teenie tiny cojones.
I could see Hughes trading for Kakko to Montreal this summer, he's a young forward with a high ceiling that hasnt lived up to expectations. This is exactly the type of player that Hughes has jumped on the last 2 summers (Dach, Newhook).
While it sucks to see as a rangers fan, you gotta admit at least it was fun to watch for the most part, Rangers clearly weren't ready to get to the next step Florida just had much more depth, But I think NYR did have the better goalie it's just that the rangers couldn't get a good scoring chance
I don't think it's depth. it's talent.
Did u even watch the series our depth was fine it was the stars ffs
@@paulgiarmoleo3469 I said Florida had more depth I didn't say Ny didn't read the comment
@@paulgiarmoleo3469 Still in shock eh? I'm a ranger fan also. You said it yourself - "it's just that the rangers couldn't get a good scoring chance". FLA shut down all the lines. They were outplayed.
@@calmistheway that's what I'm saying Florida jus played better
Imagine Igor in Carolina. That would be the scariest team in the league by a mile
I’m not sure if they are that close when the first 3 games against Carolina went to overtime
Other than game 1, you could possibly make the argument that Carolina outplayed the Rangers. Goaltending did the Canes in
@@cehamlet89 Carolina power play units don't escape blame sharing with Freddie.
@@cehamlet89 You could also make the argument that if the Rangers played the Islanders instead of the Capitols in the first round they would have been 1 and done.
As a suffering Rangers fan for all 25 years of my life, it's tragic to see the organization waste a generational goalie's talent for the second time in the last 20 years. The Rangers have virtually the same issues that they did in 2014 when they lost to LA. They rely to heavily on finesse/skill players, have a weak defense and pray that Shesty or Hank in those years would bail them out.
As much as the core shit the bed, and they did - it's hard for me to blame Panarin or really say he's not performing to his Contract value. Throughout this run Panarin was fairly consistent, he played the game you expected him too - he definitely needs to shoot the puck more but he's historically been more pass oriented, same with Mika and there in lies the problem. Mika for as good as he is, he's an empty vessel. No physicality, and he's consistently inconsistent. Almost every year he starts off slow and picks up after the holidays. He's not great on the faceoff and to be honest. I dont think he's the #1 center on this team. Trochek is everything Mika is not. And the Kreids-Mika line, it doesn't work, it's not the RW whose the problem, those two do not score enough 5-on-5 goals together. If you keep Mika, you got a break them apart.
And not for nothing, but Drury blew this deadline - if what people in NY were saying is true about Guentzel a 1st and either Othmann or Perrault + Kakko, I mean seeing the haul that the Pen's actually got it seems like that large of a payout wouldn't have been needed but Guentzel has always killed the Rangers and would have really strengthened this team more than Wennberg and Roslovic did. Super disappointed.
If I'm in the Front Office the only players who've earned a spot on this roster next year are Shesty, Trochek, Panarin, Kreids, Fox and Laffy. I'd be open to offers on everyone else but realistically Lindgren, Miller and Schneider will all be back next year, despite Schneider having an especially tough playoffs this year in the D-Zone. I'd let all the UFA's go and I'd make it a priority to trade Trouba, or buy him out - give the C to Kreids, and try to move on from Mika for a more physical center or ideally move Trochek up to the first line with Kreids and bring Stammer in to play with Panarin, and let Goodrow go. I know Goodrow is a vet and a grinder but there's better players for $3M a year.
I think the window is wide open for the team. need scoring improvements and please GET TROUBA OFF THE TEAM 😭🙏
Strip Trouba of his C and give it to Fox. Guy played with half a body and still played his booty off
They are NOT close. sorry my friend. FLORIDA beat them into the ground. ONly Igor, some luck and the PP made it a series.
Rangers stars did not "vanish"
they were MADE invisible
They are built wrong as are the Hughes led Devil-girls
Florida is built right, Vegas too, as is I think Edmonton and Dallas. Boston is built well, just not deep enough and Carolina is built well, but might need to switch a few parts. Ther stars still all produced
Rangers stars Fox (0 goals .5pts per game), Panarin (0 goals most of round 2 and 3) and Zjad to a certain extent (especially during 5 on 5) are not playoff performers
They are not tough enough and not built for the playoffs
If it was not for Igor Rangers would have finished behind CArolina and then bounced by the Isles in 5 or 6.
At this rate they might not win again until after 2040
Trouba is terrible at hockey 🏒
These were all the same criticisms of Florida when they won the Prez Trophy 3 years ago. Bad core yada yada. Bob is the only good one yada yada. Drury got this team in the ECF 2/3 times, in Drury we trust.
@@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi hurricanes have 8 UFA and panthers have 10 UFA. Both are taking a step back next year. Panthers have to win this one and they should.
Wouldn't hate to see Trouba, Lindgren, and Kakko go out the door. They put a lot into the Rangers, but ultimately we need some real upgrades and don't have a ton of money to do it. We have young players coming up that have a real shot of being better than the players going out, and cost a lot less money. Or it gives us some flexibility to find UFAs or trade targets that can provide more come playoff time.
Florida exposed some glaring weaknesses that the Rangers have been dealing with for years: slow skating, bad puck retrievals in the D zone, and weak to a strong forecheck. You can either solve that by getting huge guys that win board battles, or get D-men that can work the puck around faster. The margin in this series was razor thing, with all but 1 game being decided by 1 goal (even that one game should count imo, ie own goal + ENG). If you can replace Trouba's poor defense and awful penalties with someone who is league average in those categories, it's very likely that this series could have gone the other way. If Kakko (or the bottom six other than Goodrow) actually contributed at all, maybe that swings another game.
All I know is that the quality vs quantity conversation has a really simple answer: why not both? Being average at 5v5 is just not good enough. The meme is over. Find some even strength scoring and it won't cost you the entire season just because your PP dried up for a week.
I think Drury probably just fills out the roster with the remaining cap space and runs it back again, largely unchanged. I think this would be a mistake. I think one or two large trades might be necessary to actually solve some of these larger fundamental issues that the Rangers have had for years now. I guess we'll see what happens.
Zibanejad has a LOT of term left. As one of the local podcasters said, "My daughter is gonna be 6 when that contact is over. SHE'S NOT EVEN BORN YET."
I don't think he's done as a Ranger, especially with a full NTC, but he needs some work. Kakko? Done. Trouba? Kinda hopefully done.
Rangers fan here. This roster needs a sprinkle of the 2011-12 Tortorella-coached team. Not necessarily an all-out commitment to shot-blocking at all costs (which, as we saw, eventually left them totally out of gas by Game 6 of the ECF against the Devils), but that team had the grit and sandpaper the current roster desperately needs. Depth players like Brandon Prust, Mike Rupp, and Brian Boyle (or Matteau and Noonan, for that matter) become a much bigger factor when time and space dries up in the postseason. As far as Panarin, all he's doing for me is triggering memories of Mike Gartner's time on Broadway. Somehow, every year, when the puck dropped for Game 1 of round 1, he was never the same dynamic player he was during the regular season.
Panarin aint Mike Gartner PLEASE!!! If you think shopping Gartner for over-the-hill Glenn Anderson who did NOTHING was a good move I think your brain needs an enema
I don't think the "curse" should apply to teams that make the conference finals. Especially if they get to game 6 before being eliminated.
Not making the playoffs is exactly the same as losing in conference finals game 6, just ask the Oilers. All that matters is winning the 16 games in the playoffs. Nothing, NOTHING else matters in the entire year.
1 cup since the cure for polio
There’s no curse lol
@@user-sm3ii5dk1u Give it a break. Only one team wins, and it is damn hard to win.
Trouba had a rough post season but can’t see Drury buying him out, but his 8 mil cap hit is difficult to navigate around
What's Trouba have left? Two years? I'd try to get rid of him. The whole defense needs to be overhauled and I'd start with him. I'd only keep two guys on the current roster. Fox and Schneider. Stick Jones on that list also. So we need at least 3 new defensemen.
The answer to Rangers not advancing is same as Bruins’. You are going up against a team that has twice as many players developed in the Canadian junior hockey system. They are guys who got to the NHL playing 80 game regular season games and best of seven playoff series thru out their junior careers.
That's a very interesting point to make that not many are noticing.
Interesting!!
Yeah, really interesting…. Are the Canadian Junior leagues just tougher ?
@@user-zo3uv7rc7r I'm guessing op's point is that only players who have great stamina throughout a long season can stand out from the field in the Canadian junior hockey system, and stamina gets more and more important the deeper you go in the playoffs.
That’s a load of hooey. Rangers are just a team that got carried by a great goaltender. They even had a great backup goalie as well.
Lindgren is Gerardi 2.0. Any big contract will be regretted after a year or two. Trouba's contract is bad enough. Don't make it worse
Lindgren is indispensable. Trouba is not. Jones a regular next year.
As an Islanders fan. I think it’s funny they lost in a conference finals again. The 1994 comparisons were so annoying. Big difference in 1994 they had heart and grit. They had 7 players from the 1990 oilers Stanley cup winning team.
Can you elaborate more on Miller's situation? I thought he was ok, not great, this postseason. But he seems to have a lot of potential offensively.
-Get rid of Trouba (however you can for Cap space)
-Get an ACTUAL top 6 RW if you are going to keep Zib, Bread, and Kreids.
-Offer Kakko a tiny bridge, if not sell as high as possible.
-Keep Lindgren and Schneider for 3ishx3years. Bring up Jones/ find 7th D
-Let all rentals walk
-Give Fox or Trochek the Captaincy
-Figure out if Chytil is actually well enough to play hockey to his full potential. I personally don’t think so, he is a major risk for reinjury.
Also side note: Roslovic might be the most frustrating player this year. Has raw speed and some talent but low hockey IQ, limited puck control, & middling size. Not top line material for a cup hungry team.
Starting to wonder if Igor is going to have the same patience as Henrik did because unless The rangers front office gives him a big ass bag whenever his contract ends, dude might just go some else if he wants to hoist the cup.
Wouldn't blame him for a second if he decides to leave and go elsewhere. He's the best goalie in the league and he's being wasted with our pathetic core of players right now.
I truly think that being under Laviolette for another year will have compounding benefits for this team and they will probably be better next year, especially in playoffs.
Strongly disagree with trading Zibanejad, and not just cause I love him. Hes just too central to this team, and we all know how good he can be when hes hot. Breaks my heart but yeah they should trade Kakko to a less competitive team, at this point we're just holding each other back.
Unless Trouba was morbidly injured and thats why he was so bad, he really needs to go, but idk if I see management actually pulling the trigger on that
Nah, Zibanejad needs to go...I don't see the Rangers getting rid of Kreider and at a certain point when you realize that the Zibanejad/Kreider line has not been able to work with anyone, you start to think that perhaps the problem isn't those other players getting added, but the duo themselves. Zibanejad is SOFT, just like Panarin -- he doesn't give 100% effort and this has been a problem all season. We will never win a cup with these guys at the core of the team. Trouba sucks as well, it's an embarrassment that he's the captain.
I agree that the real story in NY is the same as it's been for a while. Panarin sort of disappears in the playoffs, where there's a lot less ice given to you on basically every play. He doesn't get held completely off the scoresheet, but he's not a typical 120-point-level threat in the postseason either. He's unwilling to go to hard areas and take contact, and ends up playing to not get hit, which is a recipe for disaster. Case in point, he had 1 goal and 5 assists in his last 10 games. That's not nearly good enough production from your franchise player.
Also, none of the Rangers big guns are moving. They have NMCs. Only Kreider and Trouba have modified NTCs starting this upcoming season. I hope they get rid of Trouba somehow…
Mika is entering year 3 of an 8 year contract, too…
When your big three are not built for the playoff grind this is the result. The teams that win have players that show up night in and night out. Will, heart and determination can supersede skill.
No, the teams that win take their foot off the gas and lose games with 2 & 3 goal leads, have overpaid defensemen go -13, and teams that win are the ones that virtually everyone picks to not win more than a game each round. So, like the Edmonton Oilers
The Rangers had a great season. They took a gamble at the trade deadline to keep the roster intact. Their achilles heal has been the hole at RW on the top line. Nobody has adequately filled that spot since Buch.
They need to fill that spot, and fix their D pairs. Lots of work to do there.
Trouba was chosen captain for a clear locker room reason but that 8mill makes it not worth it. They got guys like Kreids or Trocheck that can wear the C. Through the last 4 games Trouba was a -4 +/- with 8 penalty minutes; just a total liability against any form of quick puck movement. Love him truly but it might be time to say goodbye unfortunately lol
The Rags are the Maple Leafs with an elite goalie
That is a poor take. The Leafs only got out of the first round once. Since the retool, the Rangers have made the ECF twice.
@@JavaBumdid you miss the elite goalie part?
I can see why it was easy to forget.... but no mention of Chytil in this. He really showed some stuff.... but doesn't have the power/hitting you mention, few Rangers do and when they do as with Jimmy Vesey they get targeted and injured. I would love to see Chytil come back and play as well as I think he can, but like most others I am afraid he might be to fragile. If he spent the off season with Kreider really hard it would help him out a great deal.
Chytil is too fragile, he's one big hit away from retiring for good, sadly.
Allow me to anger all the New York hockey fans in one comment:
Islanders 🤝 Rangers
Losing in Conference Finals
Damn I just realized 4 out of the last 5 ECF are just a Florida team beating a New York team 😭
@@vvwvvw8777 Snowbirds rejoice?
@@vvwvvw8777 You love to see it.
Angering Sabres fans by not including them too. Smart.
Devils fans just happy to be here lol
Don’t believe it’s Fox’s shoulder that was injured. I believe it’s his knee. Was out for extended time during the regular season because of it and re-aggravated it in game 4 against Washington.
I Really Wanted To See Rangers/Stars Cup Final This Year I Started Watching Rangers Hockey Back In '09 And Been A Fan Of Theirs Ever Since.
Taking a little time off, gonna pay attention to the yankees again until im mentally ready to think about the Rangers again.
That being said, I don't regret any of the time I invested in watching and supporting this team. The high highs definitely beat out the low lows. This was a team I believed in all year long until the end, and as a fan I appreciate them and the staff. Igor this postseason was absolutely insane, there were amazing moments and games that I'll remember for the rest of my life. Sucks we didn't get the cup, but I as a Yankee fan, I've always hated the "cup or bust" mentality, you can still enjoy the ride and be a miserable person wallowing in what could have been. Florida had our number, the best of 7 is fair. There's always another a season and here's to it, LGR.
Canes fan here. I give full credit to NYR for their series win. They beat us fair and square. However, Carolina started to put some cracks in the Rangers armor in Game 4 in that series. They came in with a 7-0 postseason streak, went from “sweep” mentality to panic mode after game 5. They celebrated Game 6 like they really dodged a bullet to avoid a game 7.
While they won, that did not bode well going into the FLA series. The Cats were a much better opponent and NY never really regained their pre-Game 4 form from the Caps and Canes series.
It’s hard to imagine Florida not winning the cup this year. They’re the best team this year. Straight up.
They'll crush Edmonton for sure.
if they play oilers it should be interesting. so far cats are a 2-3 goals a game team compared to oilers showing they can score 4 on oettinger.
@@humanbeing2420 dallas was going to crush edmonton too. the stars could still win the series but it won't be the predicted cakewalk.
Agreed, they have been the team to beat all season. Clearly better than any team in the West too.
I think Oilers if they win their series..Will be amazing. They will be a tough team for goalie.
As a Ranger fan I think Trouba’s contract is the one that needs to go. A lot of fans complaining about Panarin, Krieder and Zibby( down year for him ) but in all fairness we don’t get to where we are without them along with Trocheck, Laffy, Fox and of course Igor and Quick. Everyone praises those guys when times are good but it’s off with their heads if they don’t win. Our fan base tends to be ridiculous with their reactions and yes seeing only 1 cup in my 40 years sucks but I still love my team.
Really would love to see them get Brady Tkachuk and if Trouba is moved it very well could happen
I guess there is, in fact, quit in New York.
I gotta be honest. Jacob Trouba is the second worst team captain I've seen. Ideally you want to have someone who's a leader on & off the ice, with the off-ice part being the bench not the penalty box. He's also, like, not even their second best defenseman. The fact that someone like Panarin or Zibanejad or even Krieder didn't get it is incredible to me. It's like they just put everyone's name in a hat to decide who gets to wear the C next.
Who’s the worst?
You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, he was terrible in these playoffs, but they didn't make him captain during these playoffs. When they made him captain three seasons ago his play was much better, and he had the unanimous support of his teammates. And he still does by all indications.
@@salamander8567 Derek Mackenzie
@@humanbeing2420 oh nice you're defending the guy more than he's defended anything the last two seasons. Maybe coach Laviolette could add your name to that hat when they do the captain lottery this year
@@Brettzky9991 So what is your issue with MacKenzie other than that he was a bottom-six forward?
Move Trouba and Panarin, thats 19.6 in capspace. Pick up a solid defender and two powerforwards, mini tkachuk, bennet type of player. Will go well with both zibanejad and Trochek line.
How? Nobody takes your problems and gives you their solutions.
This was tuff as a rangers fan. For another straight year I feel nothing g but defeat. The only upside is the year after you win the pres you are more likely to win Stanley cup
Having the best season is meaningless to the playoffs. The Oilers took the first 15 and last 5 games off and comfortably made the playoffs with nobody imagining they would win even the first round. No injuries, subbing in fresh players, and able to play any type of game that occurs. The Stanley Cup is the goal, the President's Cup should be cheap tin thrown on the pile with the individual trophies and records.
Zibanejad actually DOES have a lot of years left on his contract. 6 years at $8.5m aav. That's a long time and a lot of money for someone who looked like they'd rather be DJ'ing in Europe. 3 points in his last 8 games. His NMC is the killer. Kakko is done as a Ranger. They could've traded him for Vatrano and Henrique, but instead the held onto him and will probably trade his rights to someone who's willing to give him a change of scenery. Trouba's play has fallen off a cliff. They might trade him once his modified NMC kicks in. Schneider and Lindgren are due for a raise as RFAs. As for "on the way"....you missed Othmann, who could be a beast. Also, Garand is waiting in the wings after Igor.
I don't understand why people hate the rangers so much? Haven't won a cup in 30 years but fans of teams not even in our conference hate us..... Don't give me the "it's the fans" shit because most fans are insufferable..... What is it? Why not hate the Devil's or the Knights it just makes no sense
I think it has a lot to do with the media. People talk about the Rangers like they're a dynasty when they're a team with such a long history that has won very little. You compare them to the Islanders and Devils and the teams with more wins are the teams that get talked about way less (Islanders and Devils).
The NY Rangers 4 "cups" in 100 years, 3 of which were basically a 4 team men's beer league tourney. The other cup was won with 3/4 rent a players. Lmao 😂🤣
It's so stupid when they mention the other "3 cups" it's a joke
@@user-jr4ev2iz9p Honestly I think it’s just stupid in general to mention cups you didn’t even see your team win. The whole point of watching and rooting is to see your teams win championships, if you never actually witnessed that I don’t think there’s anything to flex
Jersey fan? 😂😂
@@themig71beats being a Rangers fan imo, but tbh Canes, Pens, Isles, NJ, Caps all hate NYR - so take your pick.
@@jma.87 It’s all about the Joisey
The most value Trouba gave in the playoffs was inspiring your brilliant, "lawn dart" metaphor.
Is Panarin The Rangers' version of Mitch Marner?
It’s the hardest trophy to win for a reason. The rangers could have easily taken this series depending on how games go. Hell, I think Florida outplayed them during most of the games the Rangers won, but hockey is funny like that.
Rangers just ran out of gas. Likely due to undisclosed injury.
Panthers look like the tank is full.
Panthers sweep Dallas if they win, Oilers - Panthers goes to game 7.
Cheers.
Some thoughts on the NYR - FLA series. I noticed the Rangers were not forechecking as much in this series They did not get much offence from their top guys - Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin who were invisible in this series . They did not have Rangers close to the net to put the puck in. Rangers got more production from secondary guys like Lafreniere and Fox . Trouba was invisible in this series. The goalie Sesterken was their best player because he kept them in against a tremendous Florida offence which won.
Florida- Big Cojones
NyR- overpaid tiny cojones
Rangers forecheck stopped after Vesy was hurt. . .
Most of the roster is coming back. Need to find that last piece for the top 6, find a reliable 3c and get a checking line that will play more than 5 mins a night. Get a little more grit, clean up the 5v5 and they'll be set for another run next season. Window is still open for this team.
Kakko, Trouba, Gustaffson, Mika and Kreider are guys Drury should move. Need to add more physicality at forward and defense. Great analysis sir!
The Rangers will continue to age like fine wine. They are going to be scary for years to come. They just need some more physicality across the board, but not like Rempe. Somebody like Mark Stone, who can play both ways.
What you are saying is... the curent group is not good enough. I agree.
@@calmistheway not quite, but I don’t think huge changes are necessary to get them over the hump.
Excellent point!
Rangers’ DNA has NEVER been physicality. We don’t need drop-the-gloves types, ie Reaves, Rempe.
Hopefully Drury can work some magic to find a strong-on-puck forward with some finishing talent.
ie, Stone, Reilly.
They might but this core of Panarin, Zibs and Krieder have taken them as far as they are going to go. They are not going to win a Cup with those guys as their best players. They need Laf, Chytl and probably eventually Ohtmann to turn into stars while those other guys remain contributors as they get older. And somewhere along the line they need to find a diamond in the rough to be a top 6 centerman.
Igor will always keep them in games and make them look better than they really are too.
@@NothingToPointOut24That key player core will not take them any further than this. Barkov, Bennett, Tkatchuk and Lundell etc. outplayed the Rangers` front players very clearly. Igor made it look closer than it ever was.
Sorry for your loss.... As a family full of Devil fans some of us remember game 6 and game 7 of the Devils vs Rangers finals I still (at times) feel the pain.. We won 3 cups since (should've been 5), but when we eliminated the Rangers last year, down 2 games to 0 I felt a little pay back. I personally think the Rangers owners don't care, you guys are fans for life.(they know it) and until you stop buying to a losing team you will get what they give you and be happy.. Maybe your kids will finally wake up and change Jerseys... Our true enemy is not your team it is and always will be the hated Flyers.. Take care..
Personally, I'm no GM but I feel we traded away player who if we still had we could have won. Zuccarello was the first nail in the coffin imaging a line of Panarin/Trocheck/zuc the second player was Buchnevich the two of them RW's and gritty, not drop the gloves style but play with edge as far a move I'd look to replace Mika love him but he is streaky curious if we could bring in Tavares as a rental with hope of signing at a lower cap Wheeler gone . Ruhwandl was a wasted move never used him in playoffs the whole point of bringing him in? Don't envy the decision to be made
Yeah, nearly half the team has to go.
I hated the Zuc trade
I hated the Buch trade
I hated losing Vatrano.
I hated losing Tarasenko last year.
That last one came back to bite us.
Thanks for the breakdown always appreciate your well thought out content and videos.
As a very long-standing Rangers fan since the late late '70s I'm disappointed but two years ago it was a little tougher to swallow this year we definitely got beat by the better team. Without Igor this would have been over in 4 maybe 5 games. I just don't see this team as a championship team talk to me to say that this is my team I have a partial season ticket package I spend a lot of money going to see them but I still am reasonable when it comes to my end game expectations.
My thoughts on if I could be the GM for a day. Trouba buyout is priority number one bc no one os trading for him. If he was making 4 mill a year like he should be I'd be fine with keeping him but he isn't and drury is suffering for Gorton's bad contracts. Kakko I would move and Zibanejad. I don't think he's worth the eight mil that he gets. My concern would be how does Kreider do without his bff. Mika is not tough enough when it matters IMO.
Great video!
Jacob Trouba is an absolute disgrace to the organization. He better not play another game for them ever again
I think Miller is forgotten here and he needed to be more assertive on offense, he had some big goals during the season. I thought Zibanejad played better than Panarin. Until the final series Panarin was involved but he showed nothing on the forecheck. If Florida got to the boards, Panarin couldnt touch it. Zibanejad showed more ability. Time for Panarin to go, try to get someone with other abilities, he should still bring a decent amount of talent back. I think Laviollette got an education, and now I think he will have more of a chance to do what needs to be done. I mentioned Miller before finishing watching the video :)
I wonder if the rangers look at possibly trading for Brady Tkachuk. If that’s possible, I don’t know. But would be interesting.
i agree with what you said about them needing more physicality, but let me add this: they don’t need physicality in general. They need SMART physicality. People have been saying “ Trouba, Rempe and co are good rough housers” but as we can see with their performances, the stupid hits and plays they did were simply not it. They need players like Mikkola or Tkchuk, who’s bodying actually make sense most of the time (i’m saying most of the time cause i know some of y’all are gonna cry that they’re dirty players. I know, hockey is a dirty game)
I like to think that all that unrestrained physicality is going to be pretty tasty for the league's best powerplay, especially when the Oilers PK is also #1
Keys to winning the cup, win the president's trophy, finish the next two season around the 5th to 10th overall seed, get a cup. That pattern is pretty consistent. If FL wins, then the Rangers got the cup in 2026. Trouba for 8 million, yikes. Who would take that though? Reinhart will be a free agent, maybe add him? Rempe just looks like a circus act. Rangers have something that 31 other teams don't have, the best goalie in the league. That's a pretty good building block. So if Panarin is a problem because of lack of success against FL, that means Boston needs to move off of Pastrnak, and Tampa needs to move off of Kucherov. All of them had rough series and all of them are great players. I don't think he is the problem. Maybe a few extra million a year of what he is worth, but you need guys to get you to the playoffs, he is one of those. Then the other guys for playoff depth for the dirty goals. What kind of best friend breaks up his best friend's shutout in game 6? Maybe he should be traded.
Today sucks. Thanks for the great content as always, Shannon
I don't think the Rangers need to change their roster at all.
The glue is there.
My vision showed me that the Rangers had no gas left.
They were physically done.
The Panthers had another gear that the Rangers didn't.
Fitness 💯
I don’t think Mika is the issue but I do think they have to get more gritty players. Regular season VS playoff’s are totally different but you need to have a regular season to get to the playoffs. They should get rid of 17, 24, 6, 96 , 91, and even 72 he’s injury prone so if they can someone for him do it.
not sure if they can get the cup with laviolette after this. this was his run for this team i belive. his coaching career speaks for itself where he have this peak run with carolina, philly and nashville in 1-3 seasons to then have a decline.
If I put Trouba on the market I would say a prayer and buy a lottery ticket if anyone chose to come even close to that contract with that player attached to it.
i'm a bruins fan, but i will say they have a great team, very deep. yes, the panthers bested them, but it's not like the rangers were overwhelmed. i wouldn't change much at all, especially not through trades. just as an aside, i really wanted to see rempe play against desharnais--a real land of the giants matchup.
1994 could become the next 1940
I think you move Trouba (if you can - will have to eat some money) and miller. It will be interesting to see what he does
Mika has 6 yrs left on his deal. In 21’ he signed through 29-30. Not a movable deal
I'm disappointed that the Rangers are not in the Stanley Cup final. In the last two games, they made too many defensive mistakes, and you can't do that against a team like the Panthers. Panarin, at times, was out-finessed, missed the net, and was not there when needed. Zibanejad wasn't there either. He struggled against the Panthers. Trouba needs to re-evaluate himself as a player. Just like you said, he made costly mistakes. He is not the only one. The defense didn't pay attention to the small details, which led to goals. The Rangers also took stupid penalties. These are the players that need to go. Rempe, and Kakko for sure. On the fence: Panarin and Zibanejad. Overall the Rangers weren't hungry enough to win.
I would put panarin on the market and ask for a stanley cup
All the teams in the Conference Finals have some serious challenges with the salary cap to get back here, with the Rangers probably having the easiest path back to the Final Four in terms of roster construction. Winning the President's Trophy, getting to the Final Four, and not being a team that gets pushed around is a feat in this League. Just like when they blew up a lot of their roster after getting rag dolled in the infamous line brawl with the Capitals, the Rangers really need to be careful not to mess up their roster when they're this close. They just need a couple pieces and should be all in at next season's trade deadline, because they might have to take a step back the season after that due to the salary cap.
Trouba can go away for any kind of draft capital as long as salary is not retained. Zibanejad as a full NMC so good luck with that but ideally any team rebuilding that would offer a 1st and something else would be fine. Maybe they would go to Utah together for their 1st this year and their 2025 2nd as well as giving back NYs 2nd next year. Utah still has plenty of 2nd rd picks and can really drive some excitement landing 2 big name players while NY gets #6 pick this year and fills their 2nd rd pick gap as well as getting $15m in cap space. Add in Trouba savings and that's $23m off the cap and all it cost was your biggest defensive liability and 2 forwards who struggle at even strength.
The players the Rangers need are not easy to find.
Do like the 80s, buy the Oilers lol
@@user-sm3ii5dk1u It was 90’s but ok buddy
Those key players you need to get over the hump are so difficult to find
They couldn’t put enough elbow grease into it 😂😂
5000 dollars for each elbow ain't bad
@@GabrielHodge 🤣🤣
Someone should ask Messier what he would do...He was in part responsible for having Gartner and Tony Amonte traded off the Rangers at the deadline in 94.
Panther's wanted it more. Plain and Simple. Game 5 we had a chance to go up 2 skaters and we took a terrible penalty behind the net.
Fox, Artemi Panarin and Mika Zibenajad and even Kreider didn't seem to
rise when needed. Trade them for grinders.
awesome jersey!
As a Rangers fan, I think Trouba is going to be on the move. Clearly lost a step after coming back from injury and was a liability in the playoffs. He’s got a partial no-movement clause and 8 million is waaaay to much for a 3rd pair D