Having watched this and read the comments, it's still not clear what the differences are between this and Y&Y. Is it just a reskin? An update? Would it be good if you'd mentioned what the differences are.
I actually love the aspect that you probably will lose right after winning a war. It resembles the real world accurately to some degree that when you participate in a war, your country suffers from internal conflict regardless of the result, which acts as a factor to very carefully planning a war before starting it :D
A peaceable state can have at most 1 leader of each color, regardless of which player faction that leader is from. When states join together, and the combined state results in more than 1 leader of 1 or more colors, there is a war. So for example, my Yellow and Red leaders and your Blue and Green leaders all in a state is fine. As soon another state with any of Player 3's Yellow, Red, Blue or Green leaders joins with our state, it is a warring state. The same would be true for a state with your Yellow or Red leaders and my Blue or Green leaders joining with.
Thanks so much for this excellent review. I was pretty much determined to back it, but eventually decided not to as the cons you outlined spoke to my heart. Thanks again!
This question is open to all. Do you feel Huang can feel like a grind to progress? To me, a game like Oros feels like a long grind. It feels like it takes extremely long to gain any points, so the rate of progression feels really sluggish. Does the fact that your tiles/leaders can be removed make the game feel sluggish in pacing in that your undone work is now costing you a future turn to put that leader back out (or rebuilding the pagoda)?
I've played Yellow & Yangtze a lot. I don't think it's a grind at all. There are many tricks and options to recover from a setback, the fun part is figuring them out. For one, you get a benefit for having your leaders off the board, you can use them in a conflict, or to cause a peasants riot for cheaper, etc.
Presuming the rules have not had a major change from the original Y&Y (and T&E), all players get to refresh their depleted hands at the end of the active player’s turn. Another active player could start two wars on their turn, but if you’ve spent tiles during that turn, you’ll get to draw back up to six at the end of their turn. I’ve gotta say, I really don’t like the minis cluttering up the board in this version.
I pledged for this one, even though I think I might like Tigris more based on what I've read about them. But since they're both out of print...better something than nothing =D
That's due to Knizia's licensing scheme. Other publishers in those other regions will probably pick the game up down the road. It's why Yellow & Yangtze's publisher (Grail Games) no longer publishes Knizia games; they sold outside their licensed regions and were taken to court.
those cons that he spoke about are serious flaws of the game. I have Y&Y and the fact that you are not your color will take a while for you yourself to come to grips with it but will make it challenging to teach it to new players. Secondly, it can be tough to come up with any kind of strategy because like he said, its virtually impossible to know who is winning so who you go after is pretty much a guess. Even the digital version of this game i found confusing and not easy to understand what was happening. All that combined made me sell Y&Y. Which is a shame because on paper it seems like exactly the kind of game I would enjoy. So far the best game I have played that is nail bitingly tense is Hansa Teutonica. Man what game! Knizia is falling a little out of favor with me as a designer. I loved his Battle Line game, but after about 40 or so plays, it felt very samey and random. In Hansa Teutonica there is no randomness. There is no luck. If my house was burning down and i could only grab 5 games, Hansa Teutonica would definitely be one of the first ones i grabbed.
What I'm questioning here is more about the company PHALANX... they have already 3 game late pledge... why don't deliver them before start a new campaign? I really don't like this way of start XX crowdfunding is remanding me sandy petersen games...
@@BoardGameCoi listen to you at x1.8 speed and understand every word. With English being my third language. So, don’t be sorry, you are doing great! If someone is having troubles understanding they can slowdown the video. As for Huang, i love it! :)
This was the game I was most excited about from yesterday's should you back. Great timing on the review!
Having watched this and read the comments, it's still not clear what the differences are between this and Y&Y. Is it just a reskin? An update? Would it be good if you'd mentioned what the differences are.
I actually love the aspect that you probably will lose right after winning a war. It resembles the real world accurately to some degree that when you participate in a war, your country suffers from internal conflict regardless of the result, which acts as a factor to very carefully planning a war before starting it :D
That's fair :)
Thanks for the review. My interest has been steadily growing in this one. I'll probably end up backing it.
Enjoy it :)
I think you might have skipped the “should you back it / value” portion on yesterday’s video for this game. Any thoughts! Thanks!
5:29 Huh? I am totally confused. Why doesn’t this situation cause a conflict?
A peaceable state can have at most 1 leader of each color, regardless of which player faction that leader is from. When states join together, and the combined state results in more than 1 leader of 1 or more colors, there is a war. So for example, my Yellow and Red leaders and your Blue and Green leaders all in a state is fine. As soon another state with any of Player 3's Yellow, Red, Blue or Green leaders joins with our state, it is a warring state. The same would be true for a state with your Yellow or Red leaders and my Blue or Green leaders joining with.
Confirming by what I see. If I have the miniatures pack the wooden leader upgrade would be redundant, right?
thanks
Hmm...not sure sorry
Thanks so much for this excellent review. I was pretty much determined to back it, but eventually decided not to as the cons you outlined spoke to my heart. Thanks again!
This question is open to all. Do you feel Huang can feel like a grind to progress? To me, a game like Oros feels like a long grind. It feels like it takes extremely long to gain any points, so the rate of progression feels really sluggish. Does the fact that your tiles/leaders can be removed make the game feel sluggish in pacing in that your undone work is now costing you a future turn to put that leader back out (or rebuilding the pagoda)?
I've played Yellow & Yangtze a lot. I don't think it's a grind at all. There are many tricks and options to recover from a setback, the fun part is figuring them out. For one, you get a benefit for having your leaders off the board, you can use them in a conflict, or to cause a peasants riot for cheaper, etc.
Presuming the rules have not had a major change from the original Y&Y (and T&E), all players get to refresh their depleted hands at the end of the active player’s turn. Another active player could start two wars on their turn, but if you’ve spent tiles during that turn, you’ll get to draw back up to six at the end of their turn. I’ve gotta say, I really don’t like the minis cluttering up the board in this version.
I pledged for this one, even though I think I might like Tigris more based on what I've read about them. But since they're both out of print...better something than nothing =D
Would you say it's best at two players
No...likely 3
Probably worst at 2. Best at 3 and 4
The app (Steam/iOS/and I think Android) is amazing and a really good way to get a good dozen plays in relatively quickly to see if you like the game.
Thanks
Y&Y is SO much easier to read than this version. I don't get it. That river is gorgeous though.
Ty for this video!!
Enjoyed the video. Suggestion for future, slow down a bit in talking.
A common request :) Thank you!
Pity it's not shipped to all EU countries... bah
That's due to Knizia's licensing scheme. Other publishers in those other regions will probably pick the game up down the road.
It's why Yellow & Yangtze's publisher (Grail Games) no longer publishes Knizia games; they sold outside their licensed regions and were taken to court.
those cons that he spoke about are serious flaws of the game. I have Y&Y and the fact that you are not your color will take a while for you yourself to come to grips with it but will make it challenging to teach it to new players. Secondly, it can be tough to come up with any kind of strategy because like he said, its virtually impossible to know who is winning so who you go after is pretty much a guess. Even the digital version of this game i found confusing and not easy to understand what was happening. All that combined made me sell Y&Y. Which is a shame because on paper it seems like exactly the kind of game I would enjoy. So far the best game I have played that is nail bitingly tense is Hansa Teutonica. Man what game! Knizia is falling a little out of favor with me as a designer. I loved his Battle Line game, but after about 40 or so plays, it felt very samey and random. In Hansa Teutonica there is no randomness. There is no luck. If my house was burning down and i could only grab 5 games, Hansa Teutonica would definitely be one of the first ones i grabbed.
What I'm questioning here is more about the company PHALANX... they have already 3 game late pledge... why don't deliver them before start a new campaign? I really don't like this way of start XX crowdfunding is remanding me sandy petersen games...
Sorry but you speak so fast it’s impossible to process any of it. Breathe between sentences at least. Please!
I get it. Sorry
@@BoardGameCoi listen to you at x1.8 speed and understand every word. With English being my third language. So, don’t be sorry, you are doing great! If someone is having troubles understanding they can slowdown the video. As for Huang, i love it! :)