How is This Statue in Hyrule? (Zelda Theory)

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  • Zelda: Breath of the Wild's many mysteries and secrets know no bounds-- but a new one came to mind when exploring Goron City. How is it that Darmani, the Goron Hero of Termina from Majora's Mask is present as a statue here, in Hyrule?? Is this canon to the lore, or a mere easter egg? Join me to find out!
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  • @BanditGames
    @BanditGames  3 ปีที่แล้ว +292

    Is there no end to these Breath of the Wild easter eggs?? What's YOUR favorite reference or landmark you found across Hyrule?

    • @Dan_K_Meme
      @Dan_K_Meme 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I like the calmness of Akkala Ancient Tech Lab. It's at the top of a hill next to the ocean. Fun hill to shield surf down with the Ancient Shield

    • @ironwalk9827
      @ironwalk9827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The music in the Rito Village. Probably.

    • @moldomre4838
      @moldomre4838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      My favorite reference is the Forgotten Temple maybe being the Sealed Temple from Skyward Sword.

    • @Simply_resharkable
      @Simply_resharkable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dan K. Meme I hardly use the ancient stuff, it just seems too expensive for such low durability

    • @iamtravin4015
      @iamtravin4015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      MaskedNintendoBandit you should do a video on the existence of the lurilin villagers being related to the zonai

  • @StormsparkPegasus
    @StormsparkPegasus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +805

    What if the Gorons learned of Darmani from Link after he returned from Termina? He even had a mask that let him turn into Darmani.

    • @BanditGames
      @BanditGames  3 ปีที่แล้ว +228

      Link must have given them a pretty awesome visual description-- but that's certainly possible!

    • @1hyugaclan1
      @1hyugaclan1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      Maybe Link used Darmani's mask to save the goron people and they spread his legend down through the generations.

    • @Kai-rg4kb
      @Kai-rg4kb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I totally agree I was also thinking that

    • @odm1982
      @odm1982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That was my thought too.

    • @hanburgundy4317
      @hanburgundy4317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      I think that the land of Termina is definitely real - Link, the Mask Salesman, the Skull Kid, the Deku Butler, AND Epona ALL were shown in both Hyrule and Termina. Link most certainly does travel through a portal: one of perhaps many that dot the land of Hyrule.
      One such portal exists above the Stone Tower in the mountains above the kingdom of Ikana, and it appears to connect to the Haunted Wasteland of the Gerudo Desert in the Lanayru Province of Hyrule. My theory has been that the predecessor to the Gerudo and the Sheikah originally came from Termina: the Garo.

  • @centurosproductions8827
    @centurosproductions8827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +430

    No, that Toad definitely plays BotW. You can't tell me otherwise.

    • @tsunderecat413
      @tsunderecat413 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      i mean a toad was literally playing ttyd, as well as fire emblem and paper mario 64, in ttyd, so it's already canon that toads exist beyond their own universe, in a sense

    • @Nokyyyyy
      @Nokyyyyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Hyrule is more or less canonically next to the mushroom kingdom (not sure ^^')
      So does paper hyrule ?

    • @yamidom9134
      @yamidom9134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      soo funny ✨✨🎮🍄🤣✨✨

    • @justicegraceful2171
      @justicegraceful2171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      your princess is in another castle, it's dangerous to go alone.

    • @EvyDevy
      @EvyDevy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tsunderecat413 The Fire Emblem line was only in the English version from what I heard.

  • @chowderhead18
    @chowderhead18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    I’ve seen other comments just like this, but Hyrule isn’t actually the world but the land. Other lands exist outside of it, heck the ancestors of the hylians in Spirit Tracks sailed to another continent to form “New Hyrule”.

    • @TheSorrel
      @TheSorrel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Yeah, but thats not why people believe that Termina is a different Dimension. Its because you enter it through a trippy portal and then see familiar faces in a completely new setting.
      But I'd like to think of Termina as an actual place as well. There's an especially tasty Zelda theory called "The tower of babel" about Termina, you should definetly check it out.

    • @KiritoGamingTV
      @KiritoGamingTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      TheSorrel the Zelda Series also has different realms aswell like the realm of the Ocean King so Termina is most likely just a realm but still connected best way to put it the earth that the Zelda Series takes place in can be similar to that of Norse Mythology where they all have different realms but are all connected in one world of that makes sense

    • @stefanoponce6090
      @stefanoponce6090 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSorrel I tried looking for the video The Tower of Babel but wasn't sure which video you were referring to. What's the channel?

    • @TheSorrel
      @TheSorrel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@stefanoponce6090 Its not a video, but a written document.

    • @TheSorrel
      @TheSorrel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Filthy acts at a reasonable price Alright, I found it, wasn't even hard: zeldauniverse.net/2006/11/03/the-stone-tower-why-termina-was-doomed/

  • @CZsWorld
    @CZsWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    I've always assumed that Termina was just another country created by the Goddesses, which is why it has similar looking inhabitants.

  • @moldomre4838
    @moldomre4838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    5:26 What the heck Beedle is sitting on Death Mountain
    HOW

    • @centurosproductions8827
      @centurosproductions8827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He's tough like a beetle.

    • @peachy9318
      @peachy9318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lol

    • @BanditGames
      @BanditGames  3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      The question is not *how Beedle does things. It's *why he does them.

    • @moldomre4838
      @moldomre4838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@BanditGames He's sitting on their history, basically. And I know why. He's getting their attention, trying to sell his wares.

    • @xeartnexus3020
      @xeartnexus3020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Dude is sketchy. Talk to him with a rare beetle in your collection and tell him no.

  • @averyvonfrank3282
    @averyvonfrank3282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +374

    Finally, the introduction of Majora’s Mask lore! The possibilities are endless!

    • @dennisjohnson1809
      @dennisjohnson1809 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ian Vonfrank 1000ps for that pun

    • @markzaccardi8513
      @markzaccardi8513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I really want to know what the moon in majoras mask really is

    • @Young_Travels
      @Young_Travels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mark Zaccardi it’s cheese. Angry cheese.

    • @dream6562
      @dream6562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It should not have been counted as canon imo

    • @VerbranntHD
      @VerbranntHD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it's just a Easter egg

  • @ishwar5936
    @ishwar5936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    I didn't even know there was a big statue of Daruk in Goron city until now, bruh

    • @slabofbeef7104
      @slabofbeef7104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I knew about the statues, but I didn't know that you could see it on the map.

    • @AlphaC0re
      @AlphaC0re 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You look at it in one of the memories. It’s in the Divine Beast Van Rudania Main Quest, you see the statue then remember the memory about Daruk, the one where you’re both a top Rudania.

    • @emersonsherman3842
      @emersonsherman3842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      check it out... there is a few koroks around there... check the eyes for starters.

    • @evalynbaun6672
      @evalynbaun6672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You look at it to get Daruk’s memory...

    • @Whienzarth
      @Whienzarth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I didnt know about the TP elder Goron. And ive climbed those statues!
      Now I need to boot it back up just see it.

  • @TheBryce94
    @TheBryce94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I just assumed that things in Hyrule get spaced further and further apart with each rendition because of system capabilities. The temple of time, death mountain, etc are further away in Breath of the Wild because that is the true scale of the landmass. They couldn't have done that sheer size for the landmass in previous TLOZ titles so things were much closer together. I was hoping to be able to reach Termina in BotW, maybe in BotW2 it will make an appearance

    • @Tatokat
      @Tatokat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I wouldn't say that BotW's Hyrule is the true scale. After all in any future instalments it could still end up getting bigger.

    • @bonjanglevash
      @bonjanglevash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree, but I also think that the lost woods and the temple of time were switched somehow. It doesn’t make sense the temple of time is so far away from the castle.

    • @tamorcetold
      @tamorcetold 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Due to the time ratio in Breath of the Wild if 60:1, I'd say that the true Hyrule is roughly 60 times larger than it is portrayed as being in BOTW. You would still travel the same distance in a day following this policy.

    • @LylaDagger
      @LylaDagger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bonjanglevash I think it was implied that the Great Plateau was once a settlement. So it's possible that once upon a time a castle used to be there, but for unknown reasons they moved.

    • @emmaspencer4586
      @emmaspencer4586 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@tamorcetold Yeah Hyrule is likely a HECK TON bigger than what's actually shown in the game. If that really were the actual size of the kingdom that'd be a ridiculously small country. Even in breath of the wild, which features the biggest Hyrule seen yet in a zelda game, compared to real-world countries and lands, it's tiny.

  • @edwardstanford7683
    @edwardstanford7683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    If there are people in Termina who look exactly like people from Hyrule why can't it go the other way? Maybe it's just a random goron who looks exactly like Darmani.

    • @stefanoponce6090
      @stefanoponce6090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      That's a very valid point. Though my headcannon is that Termina Is just another country along with Hyrule.

    • @captain_unhinged4372
      @captain_unhinged4372 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So like The Hyrule version of Darmani is the one in the mountain.

    • @thedarkside6712
      @thedarkside6712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or maybe Darmani was known in both Hyrule and Termina.

    • @neonmajora8454
      @neonmajora8454 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Edward Stanford but we know that some of the people in Termina look the same as people in Hyrule because the game was rushed. 6:20 I just don't see a reason for it to go both ways.

    • @edwardstanford7683
      @edwardstanford7683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@neonmajora8454 But Nintendo still named all the people very similar names, which to me seems like they're confirming that the people of Termina are connected to the people of Hyrule. If it was just a matter of reused character models because the game was rushed then they would've made that clear.

  • @hiddendesire3076
    @hiddendesire3076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    One could argue that Termina still is “real” in their timeline as it would be like the world of the Ocean king, just another realm that had been linked (pun intended) in some manner.

    • @redwidow1358
      @redwidow1358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The game designers have stated that Termina is a land that's pretty near Hyrule from Ocarina of Time. It's just a neighboring land basically. You could hypothetically just walk West and get there rather than needing to be warped like Link was.
      EDIT: I meant West lol whoops

    • @ralcogaming7674
      @ralcogaming7674 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redwidow1358 the only reason we think link was warped there was because of all the weird crap majora did, he ends up in the woods of termina by riding a horse he only takes the weird path he does because of skull kid and majora stealing a few things and then turning him into a deku scrub. He also walks out of the land of termina somehow because he isnt warped out at the end but we know he goes on to have a family with what's her face.

    • @yukisohma19
      @yukisohma19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the developers have stated termina is just real

    • @PJCVita92
      @PJCVita92 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redwidow1358 So basically MM as it's portrayed officially in-game is non-canon? Okay.

    • @redwidow1358
      @redwidow1358 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PJCVita92 Where IN the game was is described as a parallel world then?

  • @HECTOR8HELL8
    @HECTOR8HELL8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    !!! I have been saying for years that Hyrule is just the kingdom not the world and there are places outside of Hyrule like Termina. Hell I stated this on many TH-cam vids some even being yours

    • @harrystubbs713
      @harrystubbs713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hyrule is just the Kingdom and not the planet, I have never thought different. Holodrum and Labrynna as well as New Hyrule are all places that exist on the planet that are not Hyrule. I still think Termina is a parallel version of Hyrule though.

    • @gregjones4705
      @gregjones4705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@harrystubbs713 why there is no good reason to think that except for the repeating models. That's literally it.

    • @wizd101
      @wizd101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@harrystubbs713 like he said a parallel world would be like a link between worlds and have landmarks that both of them have or did have something similar

    • @ingridc0ld
      @ingridc0ld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I agree, the land of Hyrule appears to be just a large landmass or continent not an entire planet. It's totally plausible that there are many other kingdoms and lands outside of Hyrule like Termina.

    • @HECTOR8HELL8
      @HECTOR8HELL8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ingridc0ld whats cool is termina has 2 kingdoms with a mysterious 3rd kingdom outside termina(Deku kingdom which could be expanded, the dead kingdom of the Ikana which is as mysterious and unknown as the Zonai, and the Ikana enemy nation/kingdom of the Garo people which resides outside of termina and that is even more mysterious than the Ikana.) I always wanted to know more about the Ikana and Garo.

  • @OmegaCoyote
    @OmegaCoyote 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It could also be that the statue isn't Darmani but instead a Goron that looks just like him since a lot of the characters in Termina have a real life counterpart with a different name.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Darunia and Darmani are nearly indistinguishable without seeing the scar and smile and color palette.
      And because you can’t really see his beard because of the beads around his neck, I think this statue could honestly be either one. I know that in game Darunia doesn’t wear the beads, but who knows if he wore them for ceremonies or something?

  • @TheSinfulKnight
    @TheSinfulKnight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Now you're thinking with portals. I believe it, I think it makes a lot of sense. Link got lost in the woods and ended up in another land in the same world. I mean thinking of it that way feels like an obvious answer now. In Ocarina of time we met Link, Navi, Epona and learn you can get lost in the woods and like the video says, go to different areas like portals.

    • @sabatham
      @sabatham 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Enter gif of Kristoff singing here

  • @TheLadyLiddell
    @TheLadyLiddell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Gotta admit, until this video I was also on the "it's a parallel world" train, but you make a good argument.
    That being said, if Termina is still a parallel world then why can't there have been parallel versions of the original NPCs like Kafei or Darmani eventually? Just in different times.

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My organized religion theory can help to explain that.
      The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
      Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
      How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
      I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
      To answer your question, Termina is still a parallel land that is separate from Hyrule as it has always been. Just like the timeline split has created multiple parallel timelines. All Hyrule Kingdoms are similar yet will always remain a separate kingdom.

    • @redwidow1358
      @redwidow1358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kingdaniel3519 Termina has been stated by the game's designers to be right by Hyrule in OoT. It's a neighboring land with similar peoples and culture.

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@redwidow1358 Perhaps Termina is next to Hyrule, but probably not accessible to Hyrule. A powerful kingdom with sprawling lands right next to a growing city-state encompassing the same races would be common knowledge by every citizen in Hyrule. Right by? I don't think so.

    • @redwidow1358
      @redwidow1358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kingdaniel3519 Maybe it's a neighboring land that's a good distance further away than previously thought, and in between is just a lot of open distance to travel. That could help explain why the trip through the portal takes so long, couldn't it?

    • @ralcogaming7674
      @ralcogaming7674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kingdaniel3519 right by would be misleading however keep in mind that to old travellers lands were considered connected as long as their borders met, I dont believe we've ever walked all over the entirety of hyrule, we also know there is a land far to the east past the neculda sea, which could be considered right by as the hylian royalty were afraid enough of them to build a fort aimed at the sea.

  • @mattthehat8023
    @mattthehat8023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Gorons are cannon
    Me thinking about Yunobo, wait, Yunobo isn’t cannon, he’s BALL

    • @emmaspencer4586
      @emmaspencer4586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yunobo, The Cannonball of the Zelda universe.

  • @sebastianuglyrat
    @sebastianuglyrat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I swear, the guys at Nintendo were trying to tell us, that they were making the Link’s Awakening remake. They have Koholit rock, Mabe Village, Goponga Swamp, tal tal heights, ulria grotto (ulrira), peak of awakening, Mabe prairie, ukuku prairie, they had to have been teasing the game

  • @lever7893
    @lever7893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    YES
    SOMEONE FINALLY AGREES WITH ME THAT TERMINA IS REAL.

  • @isaackracoff1021
    @isaackracoff1021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    1:08 I like to imagine that absolutely everything is canon. The 80's cartoon, the CD-i games, those weird Tingle RPGs, even the Nintendo Switch t-shirt. I don't know how, but I'll make it work or die trying!

    • @ronnieyates8527
      @ronnieyates8527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      One day, you'll prove everyone wrong!

    • @felixc543
      @felixc543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I respect your dedication to dying on this hill

    • @quinnsinclair7028
      @quinnsinclair7028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Polygon did an Unravelled fitting every piece of zelda lore into one timeline.

    • @ronnieyates8527
      @ronnieyates8527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@quinnsinclair7028 Doesn't include the switch shirt, so we have to redo it!!!

    • @angelhernandezvega6064
      @angelhernandezvega6064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You lost me at CD-i games

  • @WeyounSix
    @WeyounSix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Yeah I always thought it was real with a portal skullkid knew where it went since he can navigate lost woods effortlessly

  • @Kaempfdog
    @Kaempfdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I’ll just say this since I’m pretty sure my comment is officially buried in your last Majora video. I believe Termina is the kingdom west of Hyrule. Biggest points are because the lost woods very likely wrap underneath the unseen map of OoT. And they likely connect with Lake Hylia turning into the swamp of Woodfall pretty far southwest. Above that is the kingdom of Ikana connected with the haunted wasteland/gerudo desert/valley. And in the northwest is Snowhead. Makes a very close representation of the western part of the map in Botw. The heights and plateaus are likely Ikana and the further points of Hebra are likely Snowhead. (And the few cottages in the region could very well be where the smithy cottage was in Majora’s mask) The lack of Clock Town and Great Bay locations are just absent since Hyrule didn’t expand far enough west. And when you think about it like that, it also explains the doubles between the Hylians and Termanians as well. Hyrule and Termina share a continent and likely end up breeding the same races of locals, and if not that immigration can always be a factor. The Darmani statue is on Death Mountain, so that could just mean that the Gorons of Termina realized that winter is not ideal for Gorons. And the lack of Zoras in OoT is mainly because Great Bay is a WAY better location for them to prosper over Zora’s Domain. There’s even more Gerudo Pirates than in the desert since as Ganondorf states, it was just too uninhabitable.
    I really think that Termina is a real location and it’s little touches like that from Botw that make me think in that regard. I wish I could throw the Twilight Princess map into this but my head is too messed up on that map thanks to me playing the Wii Version. But I THINK Snowhead and Snowpeak are in relatively the same location and are another border sharing situation. My head is too mucked up from the constant map changing though. If Snowpeak is in the other direction, than more than likely Mount Lanayru has a part in that. I’ve mainly been looking at the west side for Termina. Wish I had more to add on the East.

    • @TheWither129
      @TheWither129 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      check this out, maybe this will help
      imgur.com/gallery/Ca9JH

    • @Kaempfdog
      @Kaempfdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      TheWither129 XD I felt like I was looking at the Twilight Zone (no pun intended but now it’s there) Just the fact I have to acknowledge what I’ve known as the Twilight Princess map is the complete reverse. But from the looks of it the Twilight Princess Map is near identical to the OoT one. And seeing them just tilt the Skyward sword map was hysterical too. But what I’m really curious about is the Akala region, Mount Lanayru, and the bizarre islands from Wind Waker on the east side of the Botw map. I don’t have a CLUE how that happened.

    • @SairinEarthsea
      @SairinEarthsea 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've thought the lands were connected for awhile too, hyrule is just a part of the land but not the planet. Also your comment got me thinking about something, in twilight princess we know link is the hero shade but shade resembles some of the ikana warriors. I'm going to post another comment in the main section about my new theory, thank you for this new idea.

    • @Kaempfdog
      @Kaempfdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sarin Earthsea he also resembles the captains of the castle guard. I doubt the hero of Time went and joined the extinct ranks of Ikana and Stone Tower. But considering I love that area so much, I don’t mind that Link just wandering that area for the rest of his life. Maybe Link had a final match with Dark Link there? Just wishful thinking and spit-balling. We have never confirmed the death of that Dark Link. I’d like to believe he’s still wandering the world and is gaining abilities from each new reincarnation as time passes.

    • @SairinEarthsea
      @SairinEarthsea 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kaempfdog that would be so cool. Dark link also resembles the links in the tp hallucination maybe he came from the twilight?

  • @alexkuhn5188
    @alexkuhn5188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This makes logical sense, the Lost Woods has warp points to other places in Hyrule so a portal to another nation is completely plausible.

  • @SirPonnd
    @SirPonnd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think the statue might be a remnant of history that the Hero of Time brought back from Termina. Similarly to how there's a Mabe Village (ruins) in Hyrule now, despite the real Mabe Village disappearing along with the rest of Koholint Island.

  • @geoffreyrichards6079
    @geoffreyrichards6079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I always took Termina to be another land myself, based on the same evidence you supplied in your video. In fact, Termina isn't the only land to exist alongside Hyrule that is shown to have doppelgangers - both Labrynna and Holodrum also have their own Hyrulian lookalikes, and they both share the same universe as Hyrule.
    Heck, Hyrule itself has doppelgangers of its own inhabitants existing in different time periods. How about all the different versions of Beedle, Malon & Talon, Dampe, and even Tingle that appear in different games across different eras?

    • @emmaspencer4586
      @emmaspencer4586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It also explains the appearance of Koume and Kotake as well as Sharp and Flat.

  • @HyruleGamer
    @HyruleGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Brilliant video my friend! 👏

    • @BanditGames
      @BanditGames  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you sir! 💜

  • @treybriscoe2721
    @treybriscoe2721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I started laughing when you mentioned the lost woods portal to zoras domain and goron mountain. I totally forgot about those fast travels, it just makes the majora theory so much more solid

  • @RestlessWandererOriginal
    @RestlessWandererOriginal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's simple: never thought about the landscapes visible at the boundaries of botw? Maybe one of them is termina, hyrule seems to be just one part of the planet and there are many other lands not discovered yet

    • @AkatsukiLink
      @AkatsukiLink 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point. Would be fun to just explore more to see if we can find more Termina location in BotW

    • @benforth5486
      @benforth5486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I REALLY REALLY hope that we get to go to Termina in BOTW2. I'd pee my pants if they announced it.

    • @coballoon
      @coballoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've gone there with a glitch and I didn't see any people

    • @Harold_Wilson
      @Harold_Wilson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coballoon you wouldn't. There's no reason for them to program people into places you can't go, so why would they?

  • @typoking
    @typoking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Theory: After the timeline split occurs, creating the 3 separate timelines, events in each timeline begin to suture the "hole" created in time back together. As this occurred over 10,000 years, The various physical forms of several physical god-beings were trapped as waterways suddenly dried up as the land shifted and the timeline was being repaired. Sometimes these sutures were sudden enough that the deities (the giant skeletal remains) found themselves land-locked and unable to escape their fate..
    Different bits and pieces of the various timelines began to put themselves together like a vast puzzle, each timeline being sutured back in place by some event we're not yet privy to. It's why there is a lot of "easter Eggs" throughout the game.. This didn't just bring places together through the timeline repair-job, it also brought various people's from different lands together..it's why the Rito and the Zora are able to exist simultaneously, despite one being an evolution of the other in the original lore prior to BoTW. It could be that as they crossed over into the new, unified timeline, they may have simply not realized, or the shift caused them to forget, that they aren't from this timeline. Think of it as "Timeline Total Recall". They instantly forgot where they were really from, and immediately, upon entering this timeline, became aware of this timeline and their minds were altered to think they were from this re-unified timeline, so nobody has any idea how or why the world is the way it is now, it just is because, to everyone in the re-unified timeline, it's always been this way.
    As the timeline sutured itself back together, certain locations were either decimated as other locations phased in on top of the original, or they were brought together nearly seamlessly.
    It could also be that the time stones (Found dominantly in Skyward Sword) that were utilized in SS could have played a part in some way, as simply powering these stones could warp time and space and reactivate broken bots and revive dead monsters. It could be that these stones were one of the factors in the reunification of the timeline, as well.

  • @misszettai7888
    @misszettai7888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow! I never thought about the fact that termina still exists after the mask dies. This theory is amazing work!

  • @itime81
    @itime81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In a time when theorists are scrambling to scratch out content material, MNB came through with some depth. This is a super solid theory. And I have been swayed from not giving much of a damn, to agreeing that Termina is more than just a wooden mask's wet dream. One of the best theories in a while. Thx

    • @LylaDagger
      @LylaDagger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah. I always thought that was a translation error or something. Especially since the lore of the game counteracts with the guide.

  • @Legend_Zone
    @Legend_Zone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad to see you're using Majora's Mask some more! It's a great game, so considering it canon should lead to some great MNB theories!

  • @demonichero13
    @demonichero13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hmm never thought of termina just being in another part of the world the lost woods is a strange place definitely possible

  • @alacru1
    @alacru1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    6:05 "Have you ever asked yourself why we assume Termina is a paralel world?".
    Yes, because it's written in Hyrule Historia, page 111.

    • @langsworth
      @langsworth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      but wasnt hyrule historia written by a third party, not by nintendo itself? thereby making all the 'canon' questionable? including the timeline?

    • @stefanoponce6090
      @stefanoponce6090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The information Hyrule Historia is pretty debatable, as far as I know.

    • @stefanoponce6090
      @stefanoponce6090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@langsworth yeah, I take it that it's not definitive information.

    • @alacru1
      @alacru1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@langsworth Hyrule Historia had Eiji Aonuma as editor-supervisor, so no, that's not questionable.
      Also Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia (2018), who change some information from Hyrule Historia, reafirm Termina as a parallel world in page 36.

    • @arcticdino1650
      @arcticdino1650 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alacru1 The book says it's an alternate realm and it also says it's not real... in the same paragraph. The book also says the red fire medalium was given to Link by the Gerudo, when it actually came from the Gorons. Just because someone from Nintendo helped with them doesn't mean they're right

  • @Snacker6
    @Snacker6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    So my theory has always been that it is a real place, but actually in the other timeline. That is why Link didn't notice a moon crashing down before going to Termina. Also, imagine the effects of that. What would that do to the world? For one, it would likely cause massive flooding. Where have we seen that? The clock tower even seems to be similar to the windmill in Wind waker in a lot of ways. At least that has always made sense to me.
    Another theory has it that it is Lorule. You can actually see an upside down triforce in some of the art of Stone tower.

    • @MrShadic140
      @MrShadic140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wile I haven't played or seen much of Mayora's mask, Isn't it that the moon starts to fall once link gets to Termina for the first time?, and he is like the only one that's being sent back in time?

    • @Snacker6
      @Snacker6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrShadic140 It is a little unclear when it started to fall, but from what I recall, it definitely started before Link got there. The is a debate on canceling the fair on the first day, and the old man in the observatory states that he has been watching it for a while.
      At the same time, if I recall, it seemed like Tatl isn't aware if it until you get to town, so you may be right.

    • @MrShadic140
      @MrShadic140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Snacker6 this is 100% speculation as I haven't played but I think Skull Kid started to pull the moon either shortly before encountering link and going back to Termina, or after encountering link and going back to termina, since Mayora's powers could in theory pull the moon in 3 days.
      But I don't really know.

    • @OctoLink-qs3kg
      @OctoLink-qs3kg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't actually think that the moon that we see in MM is the ACTUAL moon of the planet, but is a creation of Skull Kid using the Majora's Mask, almost like how the Wind Fish made Koholint Island in Link's Awakening.

    • @MrShadic140
      @MrShadic140 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OctoLink-qs3kg that's a good point, it's like in some stories the moon was created by a creature with massive power, it could be just a giant meteor or a giant rock, or just a creation by Mayora's power

  • @franciscoherrera4439
    @franciscoherrera4439 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stoped this at 0:07 I saw the video before this one that you made and truly love this idea I am going into this having a feeling that it’ll be similar thinking and I’m very excited because I’ve been thinking about these carving and the theories so super happy to see you do this 😍😍😍

  • @bag8412
    @bag8412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the way you approached this theory and the explanations you gave were PERFECT!!!! i enjoyed this and agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are definitely my favorite Zelda theorist!

  • @hoo7797
    @hoo7797 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like this theory. Also, there's still a "portal" of sorts in the Lost Woods during BotW: in Korok Forest there's one of those trees with unsettling smiling faces, and if you stand in its mouth, it transports you immediately to the entrance of the Lost Woods.
    In this case, I don't think they're portals, or at least not portals in the way that the Mirror of Twilight and the cracks leading to Lorule are.
    I think they're portals in the same sense as shrines and towers: they're for fast-traveling, or warping, which is something done widely throughout the Zelda franchise, BotW and MM included.
    Which, basically, makes them still portals, just not interdimensional.

  • @mistslam90
    @mistslam90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Oracle games are also in the same world just different lands. So termina isn't that far off.

  • @HoboPrincess
    @HoboPrincess 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video made me sooooo happy I've always thought termina was in Hyrule, excellent video! You got my sub and like 💖✨

  • @moberlysquad67
    @moberlysquad67 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re so close to 100k subscribers!! Congrats on all the success. And cool video. Interesting points to think about

  • @jackorymcsimmonds2526
    @jackorymcsimmonds2526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you MNB. I've been saying Termina is real for years now and I'm glad I can no longer feel like I'm the only one

  • @Little-Dude
    @Little-Dude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Although not really the point of the video, I sort of like to believe that the whole "10,000 years ago" myth is one of those exaggerations done by in-universe storytellers because they don't know when exactly it happened, other than being a long time ago. Sort of like saying "the beginning of time" "in ancient history" or "before recorded history". As you pointed out, 10,000 years is longer than our own written history, so it's just hard to believe that BOTW has a history of 10,000 years _on top_ of the hundreds or thousands of years of Hyrule history we already have.
    I agree that certain amiibo items like garb from the past games, the masks, etc. are seemingly just easter eggs added for the player's enjoyment. I think we should give a little more credit to the actual remnants of certain places found on the map. The practical entirety of Castle Town is found on the Great Plateau, lining up with the original layout exactly, so I feel like some of these are meant to intentionally be the remnants of these places.

    • @emmaspencer4586
      @emmaspencer4586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what I believe too. I always doubted that it was exactly 10000 years ago, it was more to show the extremely long amount of time that has passed between games.

  • @issamorg3089
    @issamorg3089 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:23 "and I'm not going to go into that any more" but maybe in another video? Fun theory potential if nothing else! Neat video as always!!

  • @KHolly-nn7bl
    @KHolly-nn7bl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my gosh. I love your theory about Termina just being in a different area in Hyrule. It actually makes a lot of sense too!

  • @NightClawprower
    @NightClawprower 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I mean, as I said in your other video, there's also Ganondorf's sword in Wind Waker that has a direct reference from Termina, but now I'm not sure if you consider that canon or not.

  • @TaggartReed
    @TaggartReed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just want to say thanks for the awesome entertainment during quarantine😂

  • @mirrynmcwilliams937
    @mirrynmcwilliams937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I assumed it was a story told by Link when he returned, and passed down through the years. The legend would have changed over time, and after that much time, elements would be lost to time, like where the story takes place, leaving the Gorons in BOTW to think of the legendary Darmani as important enough to be worth a statue in their city x

    • @koru24
      @koru24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's exactly what i think, i mean, they're ignoring the fact that hyrule encyclopedia mentions it's just a world created by majora, a CANON book, and then they say that's stupid.

  • @oliverbierlair8602
    @oliverbierlair8602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Don't forget about the fact that the lakes around the zora domain are NAMED AFTER THE BAND MEMBERS from major as mask. The zora band members

  • @anthonibrookshire3704
    @anthonibrookshire3704 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh muh goodness, oh muh goodness! We're so blind. The whole "Termina doesn't exist" ignores the major elephant in the room (floating on a balloon and selling maps.) If Tingle started as a dude in a nonexistent world, he shouldn't have relatives all over the timeline. In fact, Windwaker Tingle would show there's no connection to Termina. Also, Darmani's statue could've resulted from Link starting the legend of a dude he met in a dream and the proud Gorons assumed it was true and drew things based on Link's description. But Tingle's existence makes Darmani's existence a fact, so booyah.

  • @Toryyyyyyyyyyy
    @Toryyyyyyyyyyy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't think Termina is part of the same world, it is officially stated that Termina IS a parallel universe. I know, if we didn't have that statement, your theory would have worked, but the questions can also be answered by assuming Termina is a parallel universe. You said it wouldn't make sense for termina to have Tingle but Hyrule doesn't, except they do as shown in Wind Waker. He just appeared later, maybe that's the same case with the Hyrule Counterpart for Darmani. He just appeared in a time, where we as the Player didn't get to see him in Hyrule, but the gorons did of course. As you said, there are huge gaps between the games and in those gaps could literally happen anything, especially in the land of hyrule. Also you're arguing that Lorule or Darkworld would make more sense to be parallel worlds, because of the similiar structure they share with Hyrule inside their games, that Termina doesn't share with the OoT Hyrule, yet when it comes to the people looking similiar, you're saying that this is just because of the game beeing rushed. Well yeah, thats the Developers point of view, but this video should be speaking about the lore and we're gonna explain their similiarities somehow. You can't just ignore similiarities that would speak against your theory but then use other similiarities to argue for it. And yes, there are other connections upon a variety of games but maybe either 1. Other dimensions also had something similiar as the majoras Mask or 2. Those Intelopers came from Termina to get the triforce of Hyrule because Termina itself maybe shares a similiar problem as Lorule. I mean have you ever noticed the lack of the goddesses in that world? There's even a theory talking about a probability of Termina beeing the same as Lorule and Dark World but idk 'bout that one. Either way, for me it would make more sense for Termina to be an actual parallel universe as it is officially stated

    • @linaschlange6893
      @linaschlange6893 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Longer than the bible

    • @DarkMirria1
      @DarkMirria1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Finally another person who makes sense.
      Edit: To add for clarification, it had been confirmed in multiple places over the years. Especially in the N64 game’s own manual that came with it in 2000.

    • @Toryyyyyyyyyyy
      @Toryyyyyyyyyyy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DarkMirria1 exactly

  • @thatecogamer
    @thatecogamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yay another zelda tuber talking about that. I mentioned in my timeline vid and the explanation story im mid filming that this is how the majoras/ oot paradoxes do not affect the time line but prove its one singular line

  • @truezeldamaster847
    @truezeldamaster847 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    An amazing video. I used to believe game theory’s video about links death but this seems more likely as the canon position of Termina in Hyrules history. You’ve gained a follow mate keep up the great work.

  • @ubermenschmexa
    @ubermenschmexa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nintendo's treatment of Termina has always bugged me. In Hyrule Historia they say that Termina is an imaginary world created by Majora's Mask using Skull Kid's memories of his own land, that being the reason why most NPCs look identical to Ocarina's, and that it all ceased to exist once Link left.
    But to me that's all bullshit, Skull Kid kept his fairy friends, and the Happy Mask salesman aknowledges the existence of Termina and Majora's powers. Then, that statue in Breath of The Wild.
    Make up your goddamn mind, Nintendo, is it real or not? Does the Zelda series have any true continuity or did you just see an opportunity to cash in on fan's theories?

    • @LylaDagger
      @LylaDagger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not to mention the in-game lore opposes what the Hystoria says.

  • @MrAzkhare
    @MrAzkhare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What if Link recorded his adventure on Termina in a book or something? Then, over centuries, his tale was merged with reality and boom. Darmani statue.

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My organized religion theory could also explain it.
      The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
      Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
      How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
      I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.

    • @emmaspencer4586
      @emmaspencer4586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MrAzkhare but how could they know what the Goron child looked like, who sits on the shoulder of the statue of Darmani? I can understand Darmani, since Link can easily become him by putting on the Goron Mask, but how could they have carved a near perfect statue of the Goron Child if they didn't really know what he looked like? That is, unless he came to Hyrule sometime after Majora's Mask.

  • @TheRealRidley12
    @TheRealRidley12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've always had a hunch that Termina wasn't a different dimension like Lorule is, and is just another region of the world that Hyrule inhabits, and this video solidified that stance (heck, I barely remember playing OoT 3D, and I don't remember shortcuts to Goron City and Zora's Domain in the Lost Woods.) Zelda lore is amazing!

  • @evin4574
    @evin4574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i was hesitant until the dodongo bit. makes lots of sense and i love it, totally going by this now! :)

  • @LikeADerp99
    @LikeADerp99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Termina is just another country, hyrule can’t be the only kingdom in the world of LOZ. It’s just the only one that gets focused on due to the tellings of the story

    • @Omnirok12
      @Omnirok12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      remember also, both Oracle games introduce lands that are far from hyrule like holodrum and labrynna! I wish we saw them again, honestly.

  • @drhysr9545
    @drhysr9545 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Easter eggs in botw are amazing except for when u actually try to think about it

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How about my organized religion theory to give your brain something else to think about?
      The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
      Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
      How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
      I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.

  • @connie40star
    @connie40star 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This definitely makes sense. I was thunder shocked to see Duranias statue and knew instantly that it has to mean something. Thanks for your theory, so spot on.

  • @Thortjoland
    @Thortjoland 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for explaining Darmoni, as someone who hasn’t played the previous games (except Twilight Princess) it helped lol

  • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
    @SchneeflockeMonsoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wait... what if Daruk:
    *Isn’t Canon?!*

    • @TheWither129
      @TheWither129 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WAIT THEN WHO WAS PROTECTING ME?!?!?!?

  • @unYun_hsk
    @unYun_hsk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Link from oot could have also just told the Gorons about Darmani and the Goron elder's son. Why would the elder's son be there. Wouldn't it make sense that Link told the Hyrulean Gorons about the elder's son since he taught Link the Goron Lullaby and gave him the Gold Dust that let him upgrade his sword.
    Link is also presumed to have the transformation masks when leaving Termina, so could he become Darmani and tell his tale to the Gorons of Hyrule. If the mask are presumed to only work in Termina, then this last part doesn't matter. But there are no evidence that it doesn't. The mask in oot have, as far as I know, no souls in them, making them just normal mask. The spirit of Majora went from Hyrule to Termina so the spirits of Darmani, Mikou, and presumably the Deku Butler's son might be able to do the same. Majora is much much stronger that the transform mask so they might not be able to make the travel.
    (Note that I think that Termina is SEPARATE dimension to Hyrule. This theory can also work from your point of view NBC)

  • @ghostlaboratory1683
    @ghostlaboratory1683 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:02 I always wondered about how that fountain looks lol. Guess it was a bottomless void. 😂 Malon has a lot on her mind to be constantly looking at the void.

  • @someoddstuffentertainment1830
    @someoddstuffentertainment1830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great theory, I always thought that gerudo desert and ikana canyon were the same desert so I'm finally backed up

  • @Broockle
    @Broockle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    yay, Termina is not a parallel world. I've waited for this day.

  • @NamelessOne-
    @NamelessOne- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Am I crazy or didn't Telma in twilight princess say they were in Termina? Well the way they've always made it sound was like Termina was the Continent and Hyrule was just a place in Termina

  • @RyanHaney55
    @RyanHaney55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never thought about the lands of parallel worlds like Hyrule/Lorule, Light World/Dark World matching but Termina not matching! There is something somehow comforting about Termina existing out there somewhere through a warp in the woods. Like you said, there are several portals in there already.

  • @arianaspraguenyx8124
    @arianaspraguenyx8124 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, this is prolly one of the best Termina theories I've heard so far!

  • @RebekahAntis
    @RebekahAntis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I’ve had same theory for a while now, so I’m really glad to see this come to light!

  • @danielschoel4458
    @danielschoel4458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes! Another video! Looks really good

  • @zannek9766
    @zannek9766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It makes sense. I mean, there are portals in the Lost Woods that take you to Goron City and Zora’s Domain in Ocarina of Time, so why couldn’t there be a portal to Termina? Also, we’ve never been given a full world map in any game. My guess would be that if Termina shares the same land mass as Hyrule, it would probably be west/south west of OoT’s Gerudo Desert (With a mountain range separating Gerudo Desert and Ikana Canon).

  • @thephalange8630
    @thephalange8630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How did I never think of the lost woods in majoras mask like this? It makes actual sense! Thats the reason why one gotta looooove zelda theories 😍

  • @inspiredboy9043
    @inspiredboy9043 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Major as mask and breath of the wild were my first two Zelda games I ever played, so it’s really cool seeing someone put so much work into theories about both

  • @LadyKatsaros
    @LadyKatsaros 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always thought that the tune played when you are at the Geduro Highlands (I don't remember if it was there or near the Suma Shama Shrine) sounded exactly as Clock town main theme.

  • @gabriellockwood2780
    @gabriellockwood2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I said this from the last Termina video lol
    There are lands outside of Hyrule's field of fealty.
    (Just like how the other lands within Hyrule's RULE, are part of Hyrule, or not, etc.)

    • @gabriellockwood2780
      @gabriellockwood2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I ALSO believe that BotW OR BotW2 are a fusion/meeting of the multiple timelines.
      With lots or little connections to a specific timeline will be addressed in BotW2, and that way the games don't have to strictly adhere to a single idea of a timeline//they'll be able to rework or reinvent the timeline for a more modernized generation.
      Hyrule's//"LoZ's" "Dark Age": LoZ 1-BotW (1)
      LoZ's "New Age": BotW (1) & BotW "2"+

  • @8bitpixelheart
    @8bitpixelheart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like this a lot because I want to know about the lands outside of Hyrule so badly. Like, there's stuff there. I don't necessarily want to play in those lands but I do want to know what they are.

    • @SombreroPharoah
      @SombreroPharoah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do go play in Labrynna and Holodrum though! You'll never look back at those adventures badly one bit! 💚

  • @natedestruction4426
    @natedestruction4426 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This one was awesome. Good job!

  • @danwg3368
    @danwg3368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know I'm a little late to this video, but THANK YOU. I've always said exactly the things you cover in this video about Termina. The fact that the characters all look similar doesn't mean anything; they ARE different characters. And there's no reason not to believe that Termina isn't just on the other side of the Lost Woods from Hyrule. MM is my favorite game, and I hate when it gets relegated to "parallel world"/"it was a dream"/"Link's dead" status. It was all real, it happened, and it's still there, thanks to the Hero of Time!

  • @SamIsAran
    @SamIsAran 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are definitely onto something here, the dodongo’s cavern mention in majorasmask did it for me

  • @Diewgohong
    @Diewgohong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm not sure about completely ignoring the reuse of the old characters because "they didn't have time", because this does't mean that this choice isn't explainable with in game reasons. I mean, the whole game feels like a dream, and the reused models is a consistent proof of the theory, and ignoring this would be like ignoring the main pillar of the zelda lore and saying that the three main characters are the same through the millennia because they only wanted to meke theme more iconical and recognizable (still the new characters and bosses in majora don't make sense because of how dreams work). Also, the dodongo's cavern thing could be explained as an easter egg, or as a mere misconception, tough the darmani statue is too important to just be an easter egg, so yes, i think this theory is the most solid one

    • @kitkat7074
      @kitkat7074 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, finally someone other than me understands that even if the character's in MM weren't meant to be copies, they still are in the game's lore.

  • @ventusvindictus
    @ventusvindictus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know what it is, but there's just something really nice to listen to about your voice. I'll sometimes just put on a playlist of your videos and listen to them in the background while studying or working on something quietly and just enjoy the sound.

  • @theadhdgamer7590
    @theadhdgamer7590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are absolutely correct. The two lands do exist in the same world. It's also a theory that the sheika originally created Majora's mask witch I find to interesting.

  • @reimisugimoto3617
    @reimisugimoto3617 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:08 In the Collectors Edition for Zelda on Gamecube, the description of Majora's Mask states that Termina is an alternate universe pretty much

  • @Magneekic
    @Magneekic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been hoping someone would cover this ever since I first saw him when I played the game

  • @eliasb22
    @eliasb22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love love love this. Other games (Oracle of Ages/Seasons) and Majora's Mask have always shown other lands/countrysides. I dig the idea of portals/gateways connecting them from a magical realism standpoint. I also just appreciate your video addressing the not-often-discussed reality that Hyrule is but one region in the world/planet in which it takes place. Breath of the Wild confirmed that there are indeed other landmasses beyond the horizon and boundaries of the explorable map. In fact, I'd love it if future games (lol like this will ever happen) explore the religious implications of Hylians egotistically believing the gods/goddesses created Hyrule...whereas these other regions/nations clearly exist outside of those mythologies.

  • @DeBoomTori2
    @DeBoomTori2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome. I’ve seen a LOT of theory videos on Majora since Game Theory did their... well, we won’t talk about that... but you, MNB, are the first i’ve seen to suggest it’s just outside the boarders we know. Very cool. When i try to explain this video to other people, i’m just going to say, “Termina is a real place because Gorons are Canon.”

  • @phantomroxas2002
    @phantomroxas2002 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tbh I always saw it as Young Link came back from Termina with the masks in hand, probably used em a few times, used the Goron Mask to help out at Death Mountain and overtime became remembered as a Goron hero worthy of being carved into the monument.

  • @theoctagonentertainments
    @theoctagonentertainments ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely loved it and I feel your spit in. It was a literal place and yes the Gordon’s obviously homage their history with theirs.

  • @millennial_fairy
    @millennial_fairy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Way to possibly blow the whole termina being an alternative world out of the water dude! Awesome job on the Video!

  • @uncledrew2399
    @uncledrew2399 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Holy shit dude my mind is freakin blown and I’m really solid in my Zelda theories and what not..... respect man respect

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How about using my organized religion theory to give your blow mind some time to recuperate?
      The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
      Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
      How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
      I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.

  • @pbnjerrr6809
    @pbnjerrr6809 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MNB’s theories are so legit and actually good

  • @justincheong7868
    @justincheong7868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your content, wonder if you could explain how possible runes are in a real situation

  • @umukzusgelos4834
    @umukzusgelos4834 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Termina always reminds me of the World in Spirited Away, not necessarily a different "world" per say but more like a separate plane that overlaps with the rest ant that can only be found when you know the entrance

  • @pailofawesome
    @pailofawesome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like the answer to a lot of Breath of the Wild's questions is a similar one that was answered by Nier Automata: By setting the time of the game so far into the future you can converge all timelines onto that future. This explains why Breath of the Wild is a mash-up of "easter eggs"/"shout-outs" to all of the different timelines in terms of architecture, races, weapons, magic, lore, etc...
    Nier Automata did a similar thing where they were writing themselves into a corner with Nier. So by advancing the timeline they could simply say: "Everything converged onto this single point anyway, regardless of the different timeline paths.".
    Breath of the Wild feels & appears to be this. It also lets Nintendo finally ditch the "split timelines" that give everyone so much trouble ( including themselves ). It lets them start progressing their timelines in a linear fashion until at least the end of the next game.
    Ultimately, I think that while Breath of the Wild is a great game, its story/time/setting/lore is a convenient way for Nintendo to converge everything to a single point and write a more linear story.

  • @liamlockheartart7560
    @liamlockheartart7560 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im so glad you're using Majora's Mask! Its such an interesting game!

  • @dragonpops3988
    @dragonpops3988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!
    It got me thinking, what if as well. What if what you are saying is true, that instead of it being an alternate universe, Termina is actually just a land that is on the other side of the world. This would be really amazing, and would make me (a huge MM fan) super happy.
    Can't wait for the next BotW 2 trailer!!! and love the new masks btw! :)

  • @ninjalex9791
    @ninjalex9791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been thinking about these references for over a year. And they may have an explanation. To put together most of the theory I speculate a lot and use quite a few preexisting theories.

  • @Ninjaananas
    @Ninjaananas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been telling of this possibility of Termina being an actual country for a long time. Especially since Eiji Aonuma himself said something like that, if I remember correctly.
    But the statue of Darmani could also simply come from the Hero of Time telling of him. That would make Termina's state of existance insignificant since Link would have the memory of him anyway.

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My organized religion theory could also help explain that.
      The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
      Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
      How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
      I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.

  • @gerritsimmons5187
    @gerritsimmons5187 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's been mentioned at least once. I subscribe that link could've told others about these characters. I feel like that could explain all of the timeline merging, they're all from parts of the legend told at different times and finally all accessible

  • @rebeccahh5487
    @rebeccahh5487 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oooooomg.... Thank you for this theory. It's simply soul satisfying to hear you propose well structured theory to the coexistence Termina and Hyrule.
    Majora is my favorite game in the series, followed by Link's Awakening. The ending to Links Awakening is melancholic. There's this wake of emotions in watching everything dissolve. But there's closure, you get an explanation of how and why that adventure is connected to the overall cannon. And in the end, the feelings it imprinted, truly felt like that of a vivid feature length lucid dream.
    I can find closure and acceptance in the ending, and deep satisfaction with the experience.
    For years it's felt like Majora was a loose end. At the time it seemed like it was a world building expansion to the Zelda universe. But we never get any connection of it being canon, and I never fully got that closure.
    So thank you again. Your theory showing that Majora is real, and it's connection to Hyrule really provides that much needed acknowledgement and validation that I'd be starving for.