I think that the land of Termina is definitely real - Link, the Mask Salesman, the Skull Kid, the Deku Butler, AND Epona ALL were shown in both Hyrule and Termina. Link most certainly does travel through a portal: one of perhaps many that dot the land of Hyrule. One such portal exists above the Stone Tower in the mountains above the kingdom of Ikana, and it appears to connect to the Haunted Wasteland of the Gerudo Desert in the Lanayru Province of Hyrule. My theory has been that the predecessor to the Gerudo and the Sheikah originally came from Termina: the Garo.
i mean a toad was literally playing ttyd, as well as fire emblem and paper mario 64, in ttyd, so it's already canon that toads exist beyond their own universe, in a sense
I’ve seen other comments just like this, but Hyrule isn’t actually the world but the land. Other lands exist outside of it, heck the ancestors of the hylians in Spirit Tracks sailed to another continent to form “New Hyrule”.
Yeah, but thats not why people believe that Termina is a different Dimension. Its because you enter it through a trippy portal and then see familiar faces in a completely new setting. But I'd like to think of Termina as an actual place as well. There's an especially tasty Zelda theory called "The tower of babel" about Termina, you should definetly check it out.
TheSorrel the Zelda Series also has different realms aswell like the realm of the Ocean King so Termina is most likely just a realm but still connected best way to put it the earth that the Zelda Series takes place in can be similar to that of Norse Mythology where they all have different realms but are all connected in one world of that makes sense
You look at it in one of the memories. It’s in the Divine Beast Van Rudania Main Quest, you see the statue then remember the memory about Daruk, the one where you’re both a top Rudania.
I just assumed that things in Hyrule get spaced further and further apart with each rendition because of system capabilities. The temple of time, death mountain, etc are further away in Breath of the Wild because that is the true scale of the landmass. They couldn't have done that sheer size for the landmass in previous TLOZ titles so things were much closer together. I was hoping to be able to reach Termina in BotW, maybe in BotW2 it will make an appearance
I agree, but I also think that the lost woods and the temple of time were switched somehow. It doesn’t make sense the temple of time is so far away from the castle.
Due to the time ratio in Breath of the Wild if 60:1, I'd say that the true Hyrule is roughly 60 times larger than it is portrayed as being in BOTW. You would still travel the same distance in a day following this policy.
@@bonjanglevash I think it was implied that the Great Plateau was once a settlement. So it's possible that once upon a time a castle used to be there, but for unknown reasons they moved.
@@tamorcetold Yeah Hyrule is likely a HECK TON bigger than what's actually shown in the game. If that really were the actual size of the kingdom that'd be a ridiculously small country. Even in breath of the wild, which features the biggest Hyrule seen yet in a zelda game, compared to real-world countries and lands, it's tiny.
If there are people in Termina who look exactly like people from Hyrule why can't it go the other way? Maybe it's just a random goron who looks exactly like Darmani.
Edward Stanford but we know that some of the people in Termina look the same as people in Hyrule because the game was rushed. 6:20 I just don't see a reason for it to go both ways.
@@neonmajora8454 But Nintendo still named all the people very similar names, which to me seems like they're confirming that the people of Termina are connected to the people of Hyrule. If it was just a matter of reused character models because the game was rushed then they would've made that clear.
One could argue that Termina still is “real” in their timeline as it would be like the world of the Ocean king, just another realm that had been linked (pun intended) in some manner.
The game designers have stated that Termina is a land that's pretty near Hyrule from Ocarina of Time. It's just a neighboring land basically. You could hypothetically just walk West and get there rather than needing to be warped like Link was. EDIT: I meant West lol whoops
@@redwidow1358 the only reason we think link was warped there was because of all the weird crap majora did, he ends up in the woods of termina by riding a horse he only takes the weird path he does because of skull kid and majora stealing a few things and then turning him into a deku scrub. He also walks out of the land of termina somehow because he isnt warped out at the end but we know he goes on to have a family with what's her face.
It could also be that the statue isn't Darmani but instead a Goron that looks just like him since a lot of the characters in Termina have a real life counterpart with a different name.
Darunia and Darmani are nearly indistinguishable without seeing the scar and smile and color palette. And because you can’t really see his beard because of the beads around his neck, I think this statue could honestly be either one. I know that in game Darunia doesn’t wear the beads, but who knows if he wore them for ceremonies or something?
Gotta admit, until this video I was also on the "it's a parallel world" train, but you make a good argument. That being said, if Termina is still a parallel world then why can't there have been parallel versions of the original NPCs like Kafei or Darmani eventually? Just in different times.
My organized religion theory can help to explain that. The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal. Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description. How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives. I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines. To answer your question, Termina is still a parallel land that is separate from Hyrule as it has always been. Just like the timeline split has created multiple parallel timelines. All Hyrule Kingdoms are similar yet will always remain a separate kingdom.
@@kingdaniel3519 Termina has been stated by the game's designers to be right by Hyrule in OoT. It's a neighboring land with similar peoples and culture.
@@redwidow1358 Perhaps Termina is next to Hyrule, but probably not accessible to Hyrule. A powerful kingdom with sprawling lands right next to a growing city-state encompassing the same races would be common knowledge by every citizen in Hyrule. Right by? I don't think so.
@@kingdaniel3519 Maybe it's a neighboring land that's a good distance further away than previously thought, and in between is just a lot of open distance to travel. That could help explain why the trip through the portal takes so long, couldn't it?
@@kingdaniel3519 right by would be misleading however keep in mind that to old travellers lands were considered connected as long as their borders met, I dont believe we've ever walked all over the entirety of hyrule, we also know there is a land far to the east past the neculda sea, which could be considered right by as the hylian royalty were afraid enough of them to build a fort aimed at the sea.
Now you're thinking with portals. I believe it, I think it makes a lot of sense. Link got lost in the woods and ended up in another land in the same world. I mean thinking of it that way feels like an obvious answer now. In Ocarina of time we met Link, Navi, Epona and learn you can get lost in the woods and like the video says, go to different areas like portals.
!!! I have been saying for years that Hyrule is just the kingdom not the world and there are places outside of Hyrule like Termina. Hell I stated this on many TH-cam vids some even being yours
Hyrule is just the Kingdom and not the planet, I have never thought different. Holodrum and Labrynna as well as New Hyrule are all places that exist on the planet that are not Hyrule. I still think Termina is a parallel version of Hyrule though.
@@harrystubbs713 like he said a parallel world would be like a link between worlds and have landmarks that both of them have or did have something similar
I agree, the land of Hyrule appears to be just a large landmass or continent not an entire planet. It's totally plausible that there are many other kingdoms and lands outside of Hyrule like Termina.
@@ingridc0ld whats cool is termina has 2 kingdoms with a mysterious 3rd kingdom outside termina(Deku kingdom which could be expanded, the dead kingdom of the Ikana which is as mysterious and unknown as the Zonai, and the Ikana enemy nation/kingdom of the Garo people which resides outside of termina and that is even more mysterious than the Ikana.) I always wanted to know more about the Ikana and Garo.
I swear, the guys at Nintendo were trying to tell us, that they were making the Link’s Awakening remake. They have Koholit rock, Mabe Village, Goponga Swamp, tal tal heights, ulria grotto (ulrira), peak of awakening, Mabe prairie, ukuku prairie, they had to have been teasing the game
I’ll just say this since I’m pretty sure my comment is officially buried in your last Majora video. I believe Termina is the kingdom west of Hyrule. Biggest points are because the lost woods very likely wrap underneath the unseen map of OoT. And they likely connect with Lake Hylia turning into the swamp of Woodfall pretty far southwest. Above that is the kingdom of Ikana connected with the haunted wasteland/gerudo desert/valley. And in the northwest is Snowhead. Makes a very close representation of the western part of the map in Botw. The heights and plateaus are likely Ikana and the further points of Hebra are likely Snowhead. (And the few cottages in the region could very well be where the smithy cottage was in Majora’s mask) The lack of Clock Town and Great Bay locations are just absent since Hyrule didn’t expand far enough west. And when you think about it like that, it also explains the doubles between the Hylians and Termanians as well. Hyrule and Termina share a continent and likely end up breeding the same races of locals, and if not that immigration can always be a factor. The Darmani statue is on Death Mountain, so that could just mean that the Gorons of Termina realized that winter is not ideal for Gorons. And the lack of Zoras in OoT is mainly because Great Bay is a WAY better location for them to prosper over Zora’s Domain. There’s even more Gerudo Pirates than in the desert since as Ganondorf states, it was just too uninhabitable. I really think that Termina is a real location and it’s little touches like that from Botw that make me think in that regard. I wish I could throw the Twilight Princess map into this but my head is too messed up on that map thanks to me playing the Wii Version. But I THINK Snowhead and Snowpeak are in relatively the same location and are another border sharing situation. My head is too mucked up from the constant map changing though. If Snowpeak is in the other direction, than more than likely Mount Lanayru has a part in that. I’ve mainly been looking at the west side for Termina. Wish I had more to add on the East.
TheWither129 XD I felt like I was looking at the Twilight Zone (no pun intended but now it’s there) Just the fact I have to acknowledge what I’ve known as the Twilight Princess map is the complete reverse. But from the looks of it the Twilight Princess Map is near identical to the OoT one. And seeing them just tilt the Skyward sword map was hysterical too. But what I’m really curious about is the Akala region, Mount Lanayru, and the bizarre islands from Wind Waker on the east side of the Botw map. I don’t have a CLUE how that happened.
I've thought the lands were connected for awhile too, hyrule is just a part of the land but not the planet. Also your comment got me thinking about something, in twilight princess we know link is the hero shade but shade resembles some of the ikana warriors. I'm going to post another comment in the main section about my new theory, thank you for this new idea.
Sarin Earthsea he also resembles the captains of the castle guard. I doubt the hero of Time went and joined the extinct ranks of Ikana and Stone Tower. But considering I love that area so much, I don’t mind that Link just wandering that area for the rest of his life. Maybe Link had a final match with Dark Link there? Just wishful thinking and spit-balling. We have never confirmed the death of that Dark Link. I’d like to believe he’s still wandering the world and is gaining abilities from each new reincarnation as time passes.
1:08 I like to imagine that absolutely everything is canon. The 80's cartoon, the CD-i games, those weird Tingle RPGs, even the Nintendo Switch t-shirt. I don't know how, but I'll make it work or die trying!
I think the statue might be a remnant of history that the Hero of Time brought back from Termina. Similarly to how there's a Mabe Village (ruins) in Hyrule now, despite the real Mabe Village disappearing along with the rest of Koholint Island.
I always took Termina to be another land myself, based on the same evidence you supplied in your video. In fact, Termina isn't the only land to exist alongside Hyrule that is shown to have doppelgangers - both Labrynna and Holodrum also have their own Hyrulian lookalikes, and they both share the same universe as Hyrule. Heck, Hyrule itself has doppelgangers of its own inhabitants existing in different time periods. How about all the different versions of Beedle, Malon & Talon, Dampe, and even Tingle that appear in different games across different eras?
I started laughing when you mentioned the lost woods portal to zoras domain and goron mountain. I totally forgot about those fast travels, it just makes the majora theory so much more solid
In a time when theorists are scrambling to scratch out content material, MNB came through with some depth. This is a super solid theory. And I have been swayed from not giving much of a damn, to agreeing that Termina is more than just a wooden mask's wet dream. One of the best theories in a while. Thx
Theory: After the timeline split occurs, creating the 3 separate timelines, events in each timeline begin to suture the "hole" created in time back together. As this occurred over 10,000 years, The various physical forms of several physical god-beings were trapped as waterways suddenly dried up as the land shifted and the timeline was being repaired. Sometimes these sutures were sudden enough that the deities (the giant skeletal remains) found themselves land-locked and unable to escape their fate.. Different bits and pieces of the various timelines began to put themselves together like a vast puzzle, each timeline being sutured back in place by some event we're not yet privy to. It's why there is a lot of "easter Eggs" throughout the game.. This didn't just bring places together through the timeline repair-job, it also brought various people's from different lands together..it's why the Rito and the Zora are able to exist simultaneously, despite one being an evolution of the other in the original lore prior to BoTW. It could be that as they crossed over into the new, unified timeline, they may have simply not realized, or the shift caused them to forget, that they aren't from this timeline. Think of it as "Timeline Total Recall". They instantly forgot where they were really from, and immediately, upon entering this timeline, became aware of this timeline and their minds were altered to think they were from this re-unified timeline, so nobody has any idea how or why the world is the way it is now, it just is because, to everyone in the re-unified timeline, it's always been this way. As the timeline sutured itself back together, certain locations were either decimated as other locations phased in on top of the original, or they were brought together nearly seamlessly. It could also be that the time stones (Found dominantly in Skyward Sword) that were utilized in SS could have played a part in some way, as simply powering these stones could warp time and space and reactivate broken bots and revive dead monsters. It could be that these stones were one of the factors in the reunification of the timeline, as well.
It's simple: never thought about the landscapes visible at the boundaries of botw? Maybe one of them is termina, hyrule seems to be just one part of the planet and there are many other lands not discovered yet
I don't think Termina is part of the same world, it is officially stated that Termina IS a parallel universe. I know, if we didn't have that statement, your theory would have worked, but the questions can also be answered by assuming Termina is a parallel universe. You said it wouldn't make sense for termina to have Tingle but Hyrule doesn't, except they do as shown in Wind Waker. He just appeared later, maybe that's the same case with the Hyrule Counterpart for Darmani. He just appeared in a time, where we as the Player didn't get to see him in Hyrule, but the gorons did of course. As you said, there are huge gaps between the games and in those gaps could literally happen anything, especially in the land of hyrule. Also you're arguing that Lorule or Darkworld would make more sense to be parallel worlds, because of the similiar structure they share with Hyrule inside their games, that Termina doesn't share with the OoT Hyrule, yet when it comes to the people looking similiar, you're saying that this is just because of the game beeing rushed. Well yeah, thats the Developers point of view, but this video should be speaking about the lore and we're gonna explain their similiarities somehow. You can't just ignore similiarities that would speak against your theory but then use other similiarities to argue for it. And yes, there are other connections upon a variety of games but maybe either 1. Other dimensions also had something similiar as the majoras Mask or 2. Those Intelopers came from Termina to get the triforce of Hyrule because Termina itself maybe shares a similiar problem as Lorule. I mean have you ever noticed the lack of the goddesses in that world? There's even a theory talking about a probability of Termina beeing the same as Lorule and Dark World but idk 'bout that one. Either way, for me it would make more sense for Termina to be an actual parallel universe as it is officially stated
Finally another person who makes sense. Edit: To add for clarification, it had been confirmed in multiple places over the years. Especially in the N64 game’s own manual that came with it in 2000.
It makes sense. I mean, there are portals in the Lost Woods that take you to Goron City and Zora’s Domain in Ocarina of Time, so why couldn’t there be a portal to Termina? Also, we’ve never been given a full world map in any game. My guess would be that if Termina shares the same land mass as Hyrule, it would probably be west/south west of OoT’s Gerudo Desert (With a mountain range separating Gerudo Desert and Ikana Canon).
I like this theory. Also, there's still a "portal" of sorts in the Lost Woods during BotW: in Korok Forest there's one of those trees with unsettling smiling faces, and if you stand in its mouth, it transports you immediately to the entrance of the Lost Woods. In this case, I don't think they're portals, or at least not portals in the way that the Mirror of Twilight and the cracks leading to Lorule are. I think they're portals in the same sense as shrines and towers: they're for fast-traveling, or warping, which is something done widely throughout the Zelda franchise, BotW and MM included. Which, basically, makes them still portals, just not interdimensional.
the way you approached this theory and the explanations you gave were PERFECT!!!! i enjoyed this and agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are definitely my favorite Zelda theorist!
So my theory has always been that it is a real place, but actually in the other timeline. That is why Link didn't notice a moon crashing down before going to Termina. Also, imagine the effects of that. What would that do to the world? For one, it would likely cause massive flooding. Where have we seen that? The clock tower even seems to be similar to the windmill in Wind waker in a lot of ways. At least that has always made sense to me. Another theory has it that it is Lorule. You can actually see an upside down triforce in some of the art of Stone tower.
Wile I haven't played or seen much of Mayora's mask, Isn't it that the moon starts to fall once link gets to Termina for the first time?, and he is like the only one that's being sent back in time?
@@MrShadic140 It is a little unclear when it started to fall, but from what I recall, it definitely started before Link got there. The is a debate on canceling the fair on the first day, and the old man in the observatory states that he has been watching it for a while. At the same time, if I recall, it seemed like Tatl isn't aware if it until you get to town, so you may be right.
@@Snacker6 this is 100% speculation as I haven't played but I think Skull Kid started to pull the moon either shortly before encountering link and going back to Termina, or after encountering link and going back to termina, since Mayora's powers could in theory pull the moon in 3 days. But I don't really know.
I don't actually think that the moon that we see in MM is the ACTUAL moon of the planet, but is a creation of Skull Kid using the Majora's Mask, almost like how the Wind Fish made Koholint Island in Link's Awakening.
@@OctoLink-qs3kg that's a good point, it's like in some stories the moon was created by a creature with massive power, it could be just a giant meteor or a giant rock, or just a creation by Mayora's power
I know I'm a little late to this video, but THANK YOU. I've always said exactly the things you cover in this video about Termina. The fact that the characters all look similar doesn't mean anything; they ARE different characters. And there's no reason not to believe that Termina isn't just on the other side of the Lost Woods from Hyrule. MM is my favorite game, and I hate when it gets relegated to "parallel world"/"it was a dream"/"Link's dead" status. It was all real, it happened, and it's still there, thanks to the Hero of Time!
Fun fact: Just because termina in in the child timeline doesn't mean it cant exists in other timelines. If we look at termina as a real place instead of an parallel we can fully assume that there is a termina in every timeline. Its just that not every timeline has Link saving it.
@@langsworth Hyrule Historia had Eiji Aonuma as editor-supervisor, so no, that's not questionable. Also Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia (2018), who change some information from Hyrule Historia, reafirm Termina as a parallel world in page 36.
@@alacru1 The book says it's an alternate realm and it also says it's not real... in the same paragraph. The book also says the red fire medalium was given to Link by the Gerudo, when it actually came from the Gorons. Just because someone from Nintendo helped with them doesn't mean they're right
I realized something about building that are easter eggs. What if they're replicas, built to learn about the past and the legends they were from? Maybe archeologists found the remains of Lon Lon Ranch and they rebuilt it to show people what it used to look like. Maybe that even happened a few times, archeologists many generations later finding the remains of the replica built long ago and replicating that.
Major as mask and breath of the wild were my first two Zelda games I ever played, so it’s really cool seeing someone put so much work into theories about both
I've always had a hunch that Termina wasn't a different dimension like Lorule is, and is just another region of the world that Hyrule inhabits, and this video solidified that stance (heck, I barely remember playing OoT 3D, and I don't remember shortcuts to Goron City and Zora's Domain in the Lost Woods.) Zelda lore is amazing!
I mean, as I said in your other video, there's also Ganondorf's sword in Wind Waker that has a direct reference from Termina, but now I'm not sure if you consider that canon or not.
You know, I was a firm believer in the parallel universe/dream theory. But your theory here changed it for me. I didnt even realize that a goron in MM referenced Dodongos Cavern, (That point was a big “oh my god” moment).
Although not really the point of the video, I sort of like to believe that the whole "10,000 years ago" myth is one of those exaggerations done by in-universe storytellers because they don't know when exactly it happened, other than being a long time ago. Sort of like saying "the beginning of time" "in ancient history" or "before recorded history". As you pointed out, 10,000 years is longer than our own written history, so it's just hard to believe that BOTW has a history of 10,000 years _on top_ of the hundreds or thousands of years of Hyrule history we already have. I agree that certain amiibo items like garb from the past games, the masks, etc. are seemingly just easter eggs added for the player's enjoyment. I think we should give a little more credit to the actual remnants of certain places found on the map. The practical entirety of Castle Town is found on the Great Plateau, lining up with the original layout exactly, so I feel like some of these are meant to intentionally be the remnants of these places.
That's what I believe too. I always doubted that it was exactly 10000 years ago, it was more to show the extremely long amount of time that has passed between games.
This definitely makes sense. I was thunder shocked to see Duranias statue and knew instantly that it has to mean something. Thanks for your theory, so spot on.
What if Link recorded his adventure on Termina in a book or something? Then, over centuries, his tale was merged with reality and boom. Darmani statue.
My organized religion theory could also explain it. The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal. Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description. How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives. I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
@MrAzkhare but how could they know what the Goron child looked like, who sits on the shoulder of the statue of Darmani? I can understand Darmani, since Link can easily become him by putting on the Goron Mask, but how could they have carved a near perfect statue of the Goron Child if they didn't really know what he looked like? That is, unless he came to Hyrule sometime after Majora's Mask.
I don't know what it is, but there's just something really nice to listen to about your voice. I'll sometimes just put on a playlist of your videos and listen to them in the background while studying or working on something quietly and just enjoy the sound.
Oh muh goodness, oh muh goodness! We're so blind. The whole "Termina doesn't exist" ignores the major elephant in the room (floating on a balloon and selling maps.) If Tingle started as a dude in a nonexistent world, he shouldn't have relatives all over the timeline. In fact, Windwaker Tingle would show there's no connection to Termina. Also, Darmani's statue could've resulted from Link starting the legend of a dude he met in a dream and the proud Gorons assumed it was true and drew things based on Link's description. But Tingle's existence makes Darmani's existence a fact, so booyah.
An amazing video. I used to believe game theory’s video about links death but this seems more likely as the canon position of Termina in Hyrules history. You’ve gained a follow mate keep up the great work.
Nintendo's treatment of Termina has always bugged me. In Hyrule Historia they say that Termina is an imaginary world created by Majora's Mask using Skull Kid's memories of his own land, that being the reason why most NPCs look identical to Ocarina's, and that it all ceased to exist once Link left. But to me that's all bullshit, Skull Kid kept his fairy friends, and the Happy Mask salesman aknowledges the existence of Termina and Majora's powers. Then, that statue in Breath of The Wild. Make up your goddamn mind, Nintendo, is it real or not? Does the Zelda series have any true continuity or did you just see an opportunity to cash in on fan's theories?
Termina is just another country, hyrule can’t be the only kingdom in the world of LOZ. It’s just the only one that gets focused on due to the tellings of the story
I never thought about the lands of parallel worlds like Hyrule/Lorule, Light World/Dark World matching but Termina not matching! There is something somehow comforting about Termina existing out there somewhere through a warp in the woods. Like you said, there are several portals in there already.
How about my organized religion theory to give your brain something else to think about? The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal. Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description. How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives. I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
Stoped this at 0:07 I saw the video before this one that you made and truly love this idea I am going into this having a feeling that it’ll be similar thinking and I’m very excited because I’ve been thinking about these carving and the theories so super happy to see you do this 😍😍😍
1:02 I always wondered about how that fountain looks lol. Guess it was a bottomless void. 😂 Malon has a lot on her mind to be constantly looking at the void.
Link from oot could have also just told the Gorons about Darmani and the Goron elder's son. Why would the elder's son be there. Wouldn't it make sense that Link told the Hyrulean Gorons about the elder's son since he taught Link the Goron Lullaby and gave him the Gold Dust that let him upgrade his sword. Link is also presumed to have the transformation masks when leaving Termina, so could he become Darmani and tell his tale to the Gorons of Hyrule. If the mask are presumed to only work in Termina, then this last part doesn't matter. But there are no evidence that it doesn't. The mask in oot have, as far as I know, no souls in them, making them just normal mask. The spirit of Majora went from Hyrule to Termina so the spirits of Darmani, Mikou, and presumably the Deku Butler's son might be able to do the same. Majora is much much stronger that the transform mask so they might not be able to make the travel. (Note that I think that Termina is SEPARATE dimension to Hyrule. This theory can also work from your point of view NBC)
Am I crazy or didn't Telma in twilight princess say they were in Termina? Well the way they've always made it sound was like Termina was the Continent and Hyrule was just a place in Termina
I assumed it was a story told by Link when he returned, and passed down through the years. The legend would have changed over time, and after that much time, elements would be lost to time, like where the story takes place, leaving the Gorons in BOTW to think of the legendary Darmani as important enough to be worth a statue in their city x
that's exactly what i think, i mean, they're ignoring the fact that hyrule encyclopedia mentions it's just a world created by majora, a CANON book, and then they say that's stupid.
Love love love this. Other games (Oracle of Ages/Seasons) and Majora's Mask have always shown other lands/countrysides. I dig the idea of portals/gateways connecting them from a magical realism standpoint. I also just appreciate your video addressing the not-often-discussed reality that Hyrule is but one region in the world/planet in which it takes place. Breath of the Wild confirmed that there are indeed other landmasses beyond the horizon and boundaries of the explorable map. In fact, I'd love it if future games (lol like this will ever happen) explore the religious implications of Hylians egotistically believing the gods/goddesses created Hyrule...whereas these other regions/nations clearly exist outside of those mythologies.
I think that all of the various easter eggs, like the outfits found in the dlc and the unique amiibo outfits/weapons, can be considered canon. I like to think that they're not the original objects, just copies based off of ancient legends. The statue of Darmani is likely based off of The legend of Link's adventures in Termina, or If Link did not pass on the legend himself, maybe the Gorons from Termina really did come through the portal and meet with Hyrule's Gorons at some point, or vice versa. Also, I still think of Termina as an alternate world. There's no hard and fast rule saying that alternate worlds have to look physically like their counterparts, it's just a common trope that they do. While the reuse of character models in majora's mask was just a side effect of a limited development time, I think that the developers purposefully implemented the "parallel world inhabited by doppelgangers" trope because they were on such a time crunch.
My organized religion theory could help explain that. The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal. Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description. How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives. I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
Doppelgangers are actually a commonality in the same material plane of existence/reality as Hyrule, not just Termina. Chiefly, the most noteworthy example are the hero candidates in Triforce Heroes who are the spinning image of Link yet are confirmed to not be related to Link in any capacity by the director, and Hytopia is within the same plane of existence as Hyrule. Moreover, there is David Jr. from The Wind Waker who is not related to Tingle, Knuckle, and Ankle but looks identical to them, as well as the Rito postman named Koboli that is the spinning image of the running man and the postman from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and The Minish Cap respectively. There are also a plethora of characters in Oracle of Ages in the land of Labrynna, which is also inset in the same reality as Hyrule, that are identical to characters who appeared in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.
Yay another zelda tuber talking about that. I mentioned in my timeline vid and the explanation story im mid filming that this is how the majoras/ oot paradoxes do not affect the time line but prove its one singular line
Great video! It got me thinking, what if as well. What if what you are saying is true, that instead of it being an alternate universe, Termina is actually just a land that is on the other side of the world. This would be really amazing, and would make me (a huge MM fan) super happy. Can't wait for the next BotW 2 trailer!!! and love the new masks btw! :)
Oooooomg.... Thank you for this theory. It's simply soul satisfying to hear you propose well structured theory to the coexistence Termina and Hyrule. Majora is my favorite game in the series, followed by Link's Awakening. The ending to Links Awakening is melancholic. There's this wake of emotions in watching everything dissolve. But there's closure, you get an explanation of how and why that adventure is connected to the overall cannon. And in the end, the feelings it imprinted, truly felt like that of a vivid feature length lucid dream. I can find closure and acceptance in the ending, and deep satisfaction with the experience. For years it's felt like Majora was a loose end. At the time it seemed like it was a world building expansion to the Zelda universe. But we never get any connection of it being canon, and I never fully got that closure. So thank you again. Your theory showing that Majora is real, and it's connection to Hyrule really provides that much needed acknowledgement and validation that I'd be starving for.
This is awesome. I’ve seen a LOT of theory videos on Majora since Game Theory did their... well, we won’t talk about that... but you, MNB, are the first i’ve seen to suggest it’s just outside the boarders we know. Very cool. When i try to explain this video to other people, i’m just going to say, “Termina is a real place because Gorons are Canon.”
Termina could still be a parallel reality. In the same way that Hylian assets are reused for this parallel world, Terminian characters could exist in Hyrule. We simply don’t see them in Ocarina of time.
One thing I wanted to add: in the manual for Majora's Mask, Termina is said to be 'a kind of parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule'. If the manuals are considered canon, then Termina probably is a parallel world. But as you said: the canonicity of many Zelda things is up for debate. And 'a kind of parallel world' could mean a lot of things, depending on your interpretation of 'a kind of'. So you might still be right! Here is a pdf of the manual (i couldn't find it in higher quality, but it's still readable if you put in some effort :) www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_N64/Manual/formated/Legend_of_Zelda-_Majora-s_Mask_-_2000_-_Nintendo.pdf ) Thanks for the video!
Nice theory! I have another one regarding Termina being a parallel world which is: If the people from Termina are parallel versions of Hyrule people, then that means that the characters from Majora's Mask also have a parallel version in Hyrule. So, there could have been a Darmani from Hyrule that is a part of Goron story, and that's why they carved him next to Daruk, and the Darmani from Termina is the Parallel version of the Hyrule one, just that we don't get to see him in Hyrule. Also, the statue not being canon doesn't make that much sense because, if Link heals the Divine Beasts and finds his memories in BotW canon, he wouldn't be able to remember Daruk in his Divine Beast because Link remembers him when looking at the statue. Still, very nice theory and waiting to see more now that Majora's Mask lore is included in the theories :)
it's weird, you'd think after a longer stretch of time than all of human history they'd undergo some cultural drift or something. at least the adult timeline had trains and cameras and stuff.
But isn't there 1 Goron who says they wish they had a rock sirloin from Dodongo Cavern? Wouldn't that mean there is a way the Gorons know how to travel back and forth between Hyrule and Termina?
I have never thought Termina was some kind of Parallel world of Ocarina of time, the creators have never expressed that feeling and there have been many references to Majora's mask that are cannon. I'm glad someone finally made a video about it.
Hyrule Historia is what states that Termina is a parallel world so yes, the creators have stated it. But The Zelda Encyclopedia, which came out after in 2018 states that Termina was created by the power of Majora's Mask and the burdens of the Skull Kid and that when Link left Termina ceased to exist. The events of the game did canonically happen, but when Link left all that remained of Termina was Link's memory of it. The statue of Darmani is almost certainly just an easter egg the creators put in the game and nothing more.
@@brittwells8355 I'm going to disagree, since even though those books will say it's parallel, that's always been Nintendo's canon cop-out for reusing so many assets. Calling it a parallel world is an easier pill to swallow for fans than "Yeah we had to make a game in under a year so we just copied everything." The designers, including Eiji Aonuma, have stated in interviews, that Hyrule and Termina exist as bordering lands. Remember that once the mask's power is gone and Link leaves, Termina still remains. If Termina wasn't real, that would be impossible. If Termina was a parallel dimension created by the mask, it wouldn't be possible either.
@@redwidow1358 I could see your point if it weren't for the moon. The moon destroys any theories that Termina is a real land. Also Zelda Encyclopedia, which came out in 2018, states that Termina was a land created by the power of Majora's Mask and the burdens of the Skull Kid and that it disappeared when Link left. I've never heard any interview where Aonuma states that Termina is real. If you could link me that interview I'd greatly appreciate it. If I can see that then I might tend to believe it. Also none of this really nullifies my original comment about Hyrule Historia. While I also do not believe that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule the op stated that the developers never said it was and I was just stating that they had in that book. That book is no longer canon and the Encyclopedia came way after so I tend to take that as canon unless the developers specifically state something otherwise. Sorry for the rambling.
@@brittwells8355 The Encyclopedia was written and released without Aonuma's involvement, so the fanbase typically takes the information within it with a grain of salt. It's also worth noting that at the end of the game, when you defeat Majora, the moon simply fades away into rainbow light, implying it was never the real moon to begin with, just a creation of Majora's Mask. The real moon could still just be out in space and the people of Hyrule would never have thought twice about it.
I have been telling of this possibility of Termina being an actual country for a long time. Especially since Eiji Aonuma himself said something like that, if I remember correctly. But the statue of Darmani could also simply come from the Hero of Time telling of him. That would make Termina's state of existance insignificant since Link would have the memory of him anyway.
My organized religion theory could also help explain that. The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal. Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description. How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives. I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
I like the idea of Termina being an alternate universe more than just being a different location in the world, however this would help clean up the timeline and world building in Zelda as a whole. It's definitely worth keeping in mind
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Is there no end to these Breath of the Wild easter eggs?? What's YOUR favorite reference or landmark you found across Hyrule?
I like the calmness of Akkala Ancient Tech Lab. It's at the top of a hill next to the ocean. Fun hill to shield surf down with the Ancient Shield
My favorite reference is the Forgotten Temple maybe being the Sealed Temple from Skyward Sword.
Dan K. Meme I hardly use the ancient stuff, it just seems too expensive for such low durability
MaskedNintendoBandit you should do a video on the existence of the lurilin villagers being related to the zonai
@@Simply_resharkable the ancient shield is the best shield to surf with but I get what you mean
What if the Gorons learned of Darmani from Link after he returned from Termina? He even had a mask that let him turn into Darmani.
Link must have given them a pretty awesome visual description-- but that's certainly possible!
Maybe Link used Darmani's mask to save the goron people and they spread his legend down through the generations.
I totally agree I was also thinking that
That was my thought too.
I think that the land of Termina is definitely real - Link, the Mask Salesman, the Skull Kid, the Deku Butler, AND Epona ALL were shown in both Hyrule and Termina. Link most certainly does travel through a portal: one of perhaps many that dot the land of Hyrule.
One such portal exists above the Stone Tower in the mountains above the kingdom of Ikana, and it appears to connect to the Haunted Wasteland of the Gerudo Desert in the Lanayru Province of Hyrule. My theory has been that the predecessor to the Gerudo and the Sheikah originally came from Termina: the Garo.
No, that Toad definitely plays BotW. You can't tell me otherwise.
i mean a toad was literally playing ttyd, as well as fire emblem and paper mario 64, in ttyd, so it's already canon that toads exist beyond their own universe, in a sense
Hyrule is more or less canonically next to the mushroom kingdom (not sure ^^')
So does paper hyrule ?
soo funny ✨✨🎮🍄🤣✨✨
your princess is in another castle, it's dangerous to go alone.
@@tsunderecat413 The Fire Emblem line was only in the English version from what I heard.
I’ve seen other comments just like this, but Hyrule isn’t actually the world but the land. Other lands exist outside of it, heck the ancestors of the hylians in Spirit Tracks sailed to another continent to form “New Hyrule”.
Yeah, but thats not why people believe that Termina is a different Dimension. Its because you enter it through a trippy portal and then see familiar faces in a completely new setting.
But I'd like to think of Termina as an actual place as well. There's an especially tasty Zelda theory called "The tower of babel" about Termina, you should definetly check it out.
TheSorrel the Zelda Series also has different realms aswell like the realm of the Ocean King so Termina is most likely just a realm but still connected best way to put it the earth that the Zelda Series takes place in can be similar to that of Norse Mythology where they all have different realms but are all connected in one world of that makes sense
@@TheSorrel I tried looking for the video The Tower of Babel but wasn't sure which video you were referring to. What's the channel?
@@stefanoponce6090 Its not a video, but a written document.
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price Alright, I found it, wasn't even hard: zeldauniverse.net/2006/11/03/the-stone-tower-why-termina-was-doomed/
I've always assumed that Termina was just another country created by the Goddesses, which is why it has similar looking inhabitants.
well maybe when they say hryule they mean the entire planet. the hyrulians may have just split off to other areas.
Terminal is in a sense another dimension. Or rather a parallel world to Hyrule.
@@metaldiscipline3955 well thats the theory
Yep
@@metaldiscipline3955 ehhhh no not really
Finally, the introduction of Majora’s Mask lore! The possibilities are endless!
Ian Vonfrank 1000ps for that pun
I really want to know what the moon in majoras mask really is
Mark Zaccardi it’s cheese. Angry cheese.
It should not have been counted as canon imo
No it's just a Easter egg
5:26 What the heck Beedle is sitting on Death Mountain
HOW
He's tough like a beetle.
lol
The question is not *how Beedle does things. It's *why he does them.
@@BanditGames He's sitting on their history, basically. And I know why. He's getting their attention, trying to sell his wares.
Dude is sketchy. Talk to him with a rare beetle in your collection and tell him no.
I didn't even know there was a big statue of Daruk in Goron city until now, bruh
I knew about the statues, but I didn't know that you could see it on the map.
You look at it in one of the memories. It’s in the Divine Beast Van Rudania Main Quest, you see the statue then remember the memory about Daruk, the one where you’re both a top Rudania.
check it out... there is a few koroks around there... check the eyes for starters.
You look at it to get Daruk’s memory...
I didnt know about the TP elder Goron. And ive climbed those statues!
Now I need to boot it back up just see it.
I just assumed that things in Hyrule get spaced further and further apart with each rendition because of system capabilities. The temple of time, death mountain, etc are further away in Breath of the Wild because that is the true scale of the landmass. They couldn't have done that sheer size for the landmass in previous TLOZ titles so things were much closer together. I was hoping to be able to reach Termina in BotW, maybe in BotW2 it will make an appearance
I wouldn't say that BotW's Hyrule is the true scale. After all in any future instalments it could still end up getting bigger.
I agree, but I also think that the lost woods and the temple of time were switched somehow. It doesn’t make sense the temple of time is so far away from the castle.
Due to the time ratio in Breath of the Wild if 60:1, I'd say that the true Hyrule is roughly 60 times larger than it is portrayed as being in BOTW. You would still travel the same distance in a day following this policy.
@@bonjanglevash I think it was implied that the Great Plateau was once a settlement. So it's possible that once upon a time a castle used to be there, but for unknown reasons they moved.
@@tamorcetold Yeah Hyrule is likely a HECK TON bigger than what's actually shown in the game. If that really were the actual size of the kingdom that'd be a ridiculously small country. Even in breath of the wild, which features the biggest Hyrule seen yet in a zelda game, compared to real-world countries and lands, it's tiny.
If there are people in Termina who look exactly like people from Hyrule why can't it go the other way? Maybe it's just a random goron who looks exactly like Darmani.
That's a very valid point. Though my headcannon is that Termina Is just another country along with Hyrule.
So like The Hyrule version of Darmani is the one in the mountain.
Or maybe Darmani was known in both Hyrule and Termina.
Edward Stanford but we know that some of the people in Termina look the same as people in Hyrule because the game was rushed. 6:20 I just don't see a reason for it to go both ways.
@@neonmajora8454 But Nintendo still named all the people very similar names, which to me seems like they're confirming that the people of Termina are connected to the people of Hyrule. If it was just a matter of reused character models because the game was rushed then they would've made that clear.
One could argue that Termina still is “real” in their timeline as it would be like the world of the Ocean king, just another realm that had been linked (pun intended) in some manner.
The game designers have stated that Termina is a land that's pretty near Hyrule from Ocarina of Time. It's just a neighboring land basically. You could hypothetically just walk West and get there rather than needing to be warped like Link was.
EDIT: I meant West lol whoops
@@redwidow1358 the only reason we think link was warped there was because of all the weird crap majora did, he ends up in the woods of termina by riding a horse he only takes the weird path he does because of skull kid and majora stealing a few things and then turning him into a deku scrub. He also walks out of the land of termina somehow because he isnt warped out at the end but we know he goes on to have a family with what's her face.
the developers have stated termina is just real
@@redwidow1358 So basically MM as it's portrayed officially in-game is non-canon? Okay.
@@PJCVita92 Where IN the game was is described as a parallel world then?
It could also be that the statue isn't Darmani but instead a Goron that looks just like him since a lot of the characters in Termina have a real life counterpart with a different name.
Darunia and Darmani are nearly indistinguishable without seeing the scar and smile and color palette.
And because you can’t really see his beard because of the beads around his neck, I think this statue could honestly be either one. I know that in game Darunia doesn’t wear the beads, but who knows if he wore them for ceremonies or something?
Gotta admit, until this video I was also on the "it's a parallel world" train, but you make a good argument.
That being said, if Termina is still a parallel world then why can't there have been parallel versions of the original NPCs like Kafei or Darmani eventually? Just in different times.
My organized religion theory can help to explain that.
The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
To answer your question, Termina is still a parallel land that is separate from Hyrule as it has always been. Just like the timeline split has created multiple parallel timelines. All Hyrule Kingdoms are similar yet will always remain a separate kingdom.
@@kingdaniel3519 Termina has been stated by the game's designers to be right by Hyrule in OoT. It's a neighboring land with similar peoples and culture.
@@redwidow1358 Perhaps Termina is next to Hyrule, but probably not accessible to Hyrule. A powerful kingdom with sprawling lands right next to a growing city-state encompassing the same races would be common knowledge by every citizen in Hyrule. Right by? I don't think so.
@@kingdaniel3519 Maybe it's a neighboring land that's a good distance further away than previously thought, and in between is just a lot of open distance to travel. That could help explain why the trip through the portal takes so long, couldn't it?
@@kingdaniel3519 right by would be misleading however keep in mind that to old travellers lands were considered connected as long as their borders met, I dont believe we've ever walked all over the entirety of hyrule, we also know there is a land far to the east past the neculda sea, which could be considered right by as the hylian royalty were afraid enough of them to build a fort aimed at the sea.
Now you're thinking with portals. I believe it, I think it makes a lot of sense. Link got lost in the woods and ended up in another land in the same world. I mean thinking of it that way feels like an obvious answer now. In Ocarina of time we met Link, Navi, Epona and learn you can get lost in the woods and like the video says, go to different areas like portals.
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!!! I have been saying for years that Hyrule is just the kingdom not the world and there are places outside of Hyrule like Termina. Hell I stated this on many TH-cam vids some even being yours
Hyrule is just the Kingdom and not the planet, I have never thought different. Holodrum and Labrynna as well as New Hyrule are all places that exist on the planet that are not Hyrule. I still think Termina is a parallel version of Hyrule though.
@@harrystubbs713 why there is no good reason to think that except for the repeating models. That's literally it.
@@harrystubbs713 like he said a parallel world would be like a link between worlds and have landmarks that both of them have or did have something similar
I agree, the land of Hyrule appears to be just a large landmass or continent not an entire planet. It's totally plausible that there are many other kingdoms and lands outside of Hyrule like Termina.
@@ingridc0ld whats cool is termina has 2 kingdoms with a mysterious 3rd kingdom outside termina(Deku kingdom which could be expanded, the dead kingdom of the Ikana which is as mysterious and unknown as the Zonai, and the Ikana enemy nation/kingdom of the Garo people which resides outside of termina and that is even more mysterious than the Ikana.) I always wanted to know more about the Ikana and Garo.
Brilliant video my friend! 👏
Thank you sir! 💜
YES
SOMEONE FINALLY AGREES WITH ME THAT TERMINA IS REAL.
I swear, the guys at Nintendo were trying to tell us, that they were making the Link’s Awakening remake. They have Koholit rock, Mabe Village, Goponga Swamp, tal tal heights, ulria grotto (ulrira), peak of awakening, Mabe prairie, ukuku prairie, they had to have been teasing the game
Peak of awakening?
Gorons are cannon
Me thinking about Yunobo, wait, Yunobo isn’t cannon, he’s BALL
Yunobo, The Cannonball of the Zelda universe.
I’ll just say this since I’m pretty sure my comment is officially buried in your last Majora video. I believe Termina is the kingdom west of Hyrule. Biggest points are because the lost woods very likely wrap underneath the unseen map of OoT. And they likely connect with Lake Hylia turning into the swamp of Woodfall pretty far southwest. Above that is the kingdom of Ikana connected with the haunted wasteland/gerudo desert/valley. And in the northwest is Snowhead. Makes a very close representation of the western part of the map in Botw. The heights and plateaus are likely Ikana and the further points of Hebra are likely Snowhead. (And the few cottages in the region could very well be where the smithy cottage was in Majora’s mask) The lack of Clock Town and Great Bay locations are just absent since Hyrule didn’t expand far enough west. And when you think about it like that, it also explains the doubles between the Hylians and Termanians as well. Hyrule and Termina share a continent and likely end up breeding the same races of locals, and if not that immigration can always be a factor. The Darmani statue is on Death Mountain, so that could just mean that the Gorons of Termina realized that winter is not ideal for Gorons. And the lack of Zoras in OoT is mainly because Great Bay is a WAY better location for them to prosper over Zora’s Domain. There’s even more Gerudo Pirates than in the desert since as Ganondorf states, it was just too uninhabitable.
I really think that Termina is a real location and it’s little touches like that from Botw that make me think in that regard. I wish I could throw the Twilight Princess map into this but my head is too messed up on that map thanks to me playing the Wii Version. But I THINK Snowhead and Snowpeak are in relatively the same location and are another border sharing situation. My head is too mucked up from the constant map changing though. If Snowpeak is in the other direction, than more than likely Mount Lanayru has a part in that. I’ve mainly been looking at the west side for Termina. Wish I had more to add on the East.
check this out, maybe this will help
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TheWither129 XD I felt like I was looking at the Twilight Zone (no pun intended but now it’s there) Just the fact I have to acknowledge what I’ve known as the Twilight Princess map is the complete reverse. But from the looks of it the Twilight Princess Map is near identical to the OoT one. And seeing them just tilt the Skyward sword map was hysterical too. But what I’m really curious about is the Akala region, Mount Lanayru, and the bizarre islands from Wind Waker on the east side of the Botw map. I don’t have a CLUE how that happened.
I've thought the lands were connected for awhile too, hyrule is just a part of the land but not the planet. Also your comment got me thinking about something, in twilight princess we know link is the hero shade but shade resembles some of the ikana warriors. I'm going to post another comment in the main section about my new theory, thank you for this new idea.
Sarin Earthsea he also resembles the captains of the castle guard. I doubt the hero of Time went and joined the extinct ranks of Ikana and Stone Tower. But considering I love that area so much, I don’t mind that Link just wandering that area for the rest of his life. Maybe Link had a final match with Dark Link there? Just wishful thinking and spit-balling. We have never confirmed the death of that Dark Link. I’d like to believe he’s still wandering the world and is gaining abilities from each new reincarnation as time passes.
@@Kaempfdog that would be so cool. Dark link also resembles the links in the tp hallucination maybe he came from the twilight?
This makes logical sense, the Lost Woods has warp points to other places in Hyrule so a portal to another nation is completely plausible.
1:08 I like to imagine that absolutely everything is canon. The 80's cartoon, the CD-i games, those weird Tingle RPGs, even the Nintendo Switch t-shirt. I don't know how, but I'll make it work or die trying!
One day, you'll prove everyone wrong!
I respect your dedication to dying on this hill
Polygon did an Unravelled fitting every piece of zelda lore into one timeline.
@@quinnsinclair7028 Doesn't include the switch shirt, so we have to redo it!!!
You lost me at CD-i games
Yeah I always thought it was real with a portal skullkid knew where it went since he can navigate lost woods effortlessly
I think the statue might be a remnant of history that the Hero of Time brought back from Termina. Similarly to how there's a Mabe Village (ruins) in Hyrule now, despite the real Mabe Village disappearing along with the rest of Koholint Island.
I always took Termina to be another land myself, based on the same evidence you supplied in your video. In fact, Termina isn't the only land to exist alongside Hyrule that is shown to have doppelgangers - both Labrynna and Holodrum also have their own Hyrulian lookalikes, and they both share the same universe as Hyrule.
Heck, Hyrule itself has doppelgangers of its own inhabitants existing in different time periods. How about all the different versions of Beedle, Malon & Talon, Dampe, and even Tingle that appear in different games across different eras?
It also explains the appearance of Koume and Kotake as well as Sharp and Flat.
I started laughing when you mentioned the lost woods portal to zoras domain and goron mountain. I totally forgot about those fast travels, it just makes the majora theory so much more solid
Wow! I never thought about the fact that termina still exists after the mask dies. This theory is amazing work!
In a time when theorists are scrambling to scratch out content material, MNB came through with some depth. This is a super solid theory. And I have been swayed from not giving much of a damn, to agreeing that Termina is more than just a wooden mask's wet dream. One of the best theories in a while. Thx
Yeah. I always thought that was a translation error or something. Especially since the lore of the game counteracts with the guide.
Theory: After the timeline split occurs, creating the 3 separate timelines, events in each timeline begin to suture the "hole" created in time back together. As this occurred over 10,000 years, The various physical forms of several physical god-beings were trapped as waterways suddenly dried up as the land shifted and the timeline was being repaired. Sometimes these sutures were sudden enough that the deities (the giant skeletal remains) found themselves land-locked and unable to escape their fate..
Different bits and pieces of the various timelines began to put themselves together like a vast puzzle, each timeline being sutured back in place by some event we're not yet privy to. It's why there is a lot of "easter Eggs" throughout the game.. This didn't just bring places together through the timeline repair-job, it also brought various people's from different lands together..it's why the Rito and the Zora are able to exist simultaneously, despite one being an evolution of the other in the original lore prior to BoTW. It could be that as they crossed over into the new, unified timeline, they may have simply not realized, or the shift caused them to forget, that they aren't from this timeline. Think of it as "Timeline Total Recall". They instantly forgot where they were really from, and immediately, upon entering this timeline, became aware of this timeline and their minds were altered to think they were from this re-unified timeline, so nobody has any idea how or why the world is the way it is now, it just is because, to everyone in the re-unified timeline, it's always been this way.
As the timeline sutured itself back together, certain locations were either decimated as other locations phased in on top of the original, or they were brought together nearly seamlessly.
It could also be that the time stones (Found dominantly in Skyward Sword) that were utilized in SS could have played a part in some way, as simply powering these stones could warp time and space and reactivate broken bots and revive dead monsters. It could be that these stones were one of the factors in the reunification of the timeline, as well.
8:23 "and I'm not going to go into that any more" but maybe in another video? Fun theory potential if nothing else! Neat video as always!!
It's simple: never thought about the landscapes visible at the boundaries of botw? Maybe one of them is termina, hyrule seems to be just one part of the planet and there are many other lands not discovered yet
Good point. Would be fun to just explore more to see if we can find more Termina location in BotW
I REALLY REALLY hope that we get to go to Termina in BOTW2. I'd pee my pants if they announced it.
I've gone there with a glitch and I didn't see any people
@@coballoon you wouldn't. There's no reason for them to program people into places you can't go, so why would they?
Don't forget about the fact that the lakes around the zora domain are NAMED AFTER THE BAND MEMBERS from major as mask. The zora band members
I don't think Termina is part of the same world, it is officially stated that Termina IS a parallel universe. I know, if we didn't have that statement, your theory would have worked, but the questions can also be answered by assuming Termina is a parallel universe. You said it wouldn't make sense for termina to have Tingle but Hyrule doesn't, except they do as shown in Wind Waker. He just appeared later, maybe that's the same case with the Hyrule Counterpart for Darmani. He just appeared in a time, where we as the Player didn't get to see him in Hyrule, but the gorons did of course. As you said, there are huge gaps between the games and in those gaps could literally happen anything, especially in the land of hyrule. Also you're arguing that Lorule or Darkworld would make more sense to be parallel worlds, because of the similiar structure they share with Hyrule inside their games, that Termina doesn't share with the OoT Hyrule, yet when it comes to the people looking similiar, you're saying that this is just because of the game beeing rushed. Well yeah, thats the Developers point of view, but this video should be speaking about the lore and we're gonna explain their similiarities somehow. You can't just ignore similiarities that would speak against your theory but then use other similiarities to argue for it. And yes, there are other connections upon a variety of games but maybe either 1. Other dimensions also had something similiar as the majoras Mask or 2. Those Intelopers came from Termina to get the triforce of Hyrule because Termina itself maybe shares a similiar problem as Lorule. I mean have you ever noticed the lack of the goddesses in that world? There's even a theory talking about a probability of Termina beeing the same as Lorule and Dark World but idk 'bout that one. Either way, for me it would make more sense for Termina to be an actual parallel universe as it is officially stated
Longer than the bible
Finally another person who makes sense.
Edit: To add for clarification, it had been confirmed in multiple places over the years. Especially in the N64 game’s own manual that came with it in 2000.
@@DarkMirria1 exactly
It makes sense. I mean, there are portals in the Lost Woods that take you to Goron City and Zora’s Domain in Ocarina of Time, so why couldn’t there be a portal to Termina? Also, we’ve never been given a full world map in any game. My guess would be that if Termina shares the same land mass as Hyrule, it would probably be west/south west of OoT’s Gerudo Desert (With a mountain range separating Gerudo Desert and Ikana Canon).
Thank you MNB. I've been saying Termina is real for years now and I'm glad I can no longer feel like I'm the only one
Glad to see you're using Majora's Mask some more! It's a great game, so considering it canon should lead to some great MNB theories!
I like this theory. Also, there's still a "portal" of sorts in the Lost Woods during BotW: in Korok Forest there's one of those trees with unsettling smiling faces, and if you stand in its mouth, it transports you immediately to the entrance of the Lost Woods.
In this case, I don't think they're portals, or at least not portals in the way that the Mirror of Twilight and the cracks leading to Lorule are.
I think they're portals in the same sense as shrines and towers: they're for fast-traveling, or warping, which is something done widely throughout the Zelda franchise, BotW and MM included.
Which, basically, makes them still portals, just not interdimensional.
the way you approached this theory and the explanations you gave were PERFECT!!!! i enjoyed this and agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are definitely my favorite Zelda theorist!
So my theory has always been that it is a real place, but actually in the other timeline. That is why Link didn't notice a moon crashing down before going to Termina. Also, imagine the effects of that. What would that do to the world? For one, it would likely cause massive flooding. Where have we seen that? The clock tower even seems to be similar to the windmill in Wind waker in a lot of ways. At least that has always made sense to me.
Another theory has it that it is Lorule. You can actually see an upside down triforce in some of the art of Stone tower.
Wile I haven't played or seen much of Mayora's mask, Isn't it that the moon starts to fall once link gets to Termina for the first time?, and he is like the only one that's being sent back in time?
@@MrShadic140 It is a little unclear when it started to fall, but from what I recall, it definitely started before Link got there. The is a debate on canceling the fair on the first day, and the old man in the observatory states that he has been watching it for a while.
At the same time, if I recall, it seemed like Tatl isn't aware if it until you get to town, so you may be right.
@@Snacker6 this is 100% speculation as I haven't played but I think Skull Kid started to pull the moon either shortly before encountering link and going back to Termina, or after encountering link and going back to termina, since Mayora's powers could in theory pull the moon in 3 days.
But I don't really know.
I don't actually think that the moon that we see in MM is the ACTUAL moon of the planet, but is a creation of Skull Kid using the Majora's Mask, almost like how the Wind Fish made Koholint Island in Link's Awakening.
@@OctoLink-qs3kg that's a good point, it's like in some stories the moon was created by a creature with massive power, it could be just a giant meteor or a giant rock, or just a creation by Mayora's power
I know I'm a little late to this video, but THANK YOU. I've always said exactly the things you cover in this video about Termina. The fact that the characters all look similar doesn't mean anything; they ARE different characters. And there's no reason not to believe that Termina isn't just on the other side of the Lost Woods from Hyrule. MM is my favorite game, and I hate when it gets relegated to "parallel world"/"it was a dream"/"Link's dead" status. It was all real, it happened, and it's still there, thanks to the Hero of Time!
Hmm never thought of termina just being in another part of the world the lost woods is a strange place definitely possible
Fun fact:
Just because termina in in the child timeline doesn't mean it cant exists in other timelines.
If we look at termina as a real place instead of an parallel we can fully assume that there is a termina in every timeline. Its just that not every timeline has Link saving it.
That still applies even if it isn't a real place though.
@@kitkat7074 good point
6:05 "Have you ever asked yourself why we assume Termina is a paralel world?".
Yes, because it's written in Hyrule Historia, page 111.
but wasnt hyrule historia written by a third party, not by nintendo itself? thereby making all the 'canon' questionable? including the timeline?
The information Hyrule Historia is pretty debatable, as far as I know.
@@langsworth yeah, I take it that it's not definitive information.
@@langsworth Hyrule Historia had Eiji Aonuma as editor-supervisor, so no, that's not questionable.
Also Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia (2018), who change some information from Hyrule Historia, reafirm Termina as a parallel world in page 36.
@@alacru1 The book says it's an alternate realm and it also says it's not real... in the same paragraph. The book also says the red fire medalium was given to Link by the Gerudo, when it actually came from the Gorons. Just because someone from Nintendo helped with them doesn't mean they're right
I realized something about building that are easter eggs. What if they're replicas, built to learn about the past and the legends they were from? Maybe archeologists found the remains of Lon Lon Ranch and they rebuilt it to show people what it used to look like. Maybe that even happened a few times, archeologists many generations later finding the remains of the replica built long ago and replicating that.
The Oracle games are also in the same world just different lands. So termina isn't that far off.
Major as mask and breath of the wild were my first two Zelda games I ever played, so it’s really cool seeing someone put so much work into theories about both
Just want to say thanks for the awesome entertainment during quarantine😂
I've always had a hunch that Termina wasn't a different dimension like Lorule is, and is just another region of the world that Hyrule inhabits, and this video solidified that stance (heck, I barely remember playing OoT 3D, and I don't remember shortcuts to Goron City and Zora's Domain in the Lost Woods.) Zelda lore is amazing!
I mean, as I said in your other video, there's also Ganondorf's sword in Wind Waker that has a direct reference from Termina, but now I'm not sure if you consider that canon or not.
You know, I was a firm believer in the parallel universe/dream theory. But your theory here changed it for me. I didnt even realize that a goron in MM referenced Dodongos Cavern, (That point was a big “oh my god” moment).
Although not really the point of the video, I sort of like to believe that the whole "10,000 years ago" myth is one of those exaggerations done by in-universe storytellers because they don't know when exactly it happened, other than being a long time ago. Sort of like saying "the beginning of time" "in ancient history" or "before recorded history". As you pointed out, 10,000 years is longer than our own written history, so it's just hard to believe that BOTW has a history of 10,000 years _on top_ of the hundreds or thousands of years of Hyrule history we already have.
I agree that certain amiibo items like garb from the past games, the masks, etc. are seemingly just easter eggs added for the player's enjoyment. I think we should give a little more credit to the actual remnants of certain places found on the map. The practical entirety of Castle Town is found on the Great Plateau, lining up with the original layout exactly, so I feel like some of these are meant to intentionally be the remnants of these places.
That's what I believe too. I always doubted that it was exactly 10000 years ago, it was more to show the extremely long amount of time that has passed between games.
This definitely makes sense. I was thunder shocked to see Duranias statue and knew instantly that it has to mean something. Thanks for your theory, so spot on.
What if Link recorded his adventure on Termina in a book or something? Then, over centuries, his tale was merged with reality and boom. Darmani statue.
My organized religion theory could also explain it.
The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
@MrAzkhare but how could they know what the Goron child looked like, who sits on the shoulder of the statue of Darmani? I can understand Darmani, since Link can easily become him by putting on the Goron Mask, but how could they have carved a near perfect statue of the Goron Child if they didn't really know what he looked like? That is, unless he came to Hyrule sometime after Majora's Mask.
I don't know what it is, but there's just something really nice to listen to about your voice. I'll sometimes just put on a playlist of your videos and listen to them in the background while studying or working on something quietly and just enjoy the sound.
Oh muh goodness, oh muh goodness! We're so blind. The whole "Termina doesn't exist" ignores the major elephant in the room (floating on a balloon and selling maps.) If Tingle started as a dude in a nonexistent world, he shouldn't have relatives all over the timeline. In fact, Windwaker Tingle would show there's no connection to Termina. Also, Darmani's statue could've resulted from Link starting the legend of a dude he met in a dream and the proud Gorons assumed it was true and drew things based on Link's description. But Tingle's existence makes Darmani's existence a fact, so booyah.
An amazing video. I used to believe game theory’s video about links death but this seems more likely as the canon position of Termina in Hyrules history. You’ve gained a follow mate keep up the great work.
Nintendo's treatment of Termina has always bugged me. In Hyrule Historia they say that Termina is an imaginary world created by Majora's Mask using Skull Kid's memories of his own land, that being the reason why most NPCs look identical to Ocarina's, and that it all ceased to exist once Link left.
But to me that's all bullshit, Skull Kid kept his fairy friends, and the Happy Mask salesman aknowledges the existence of Termina and Majora's powers. Then, that statue in Breath of The Wild.
Make up your goddamn mind, Nintendo, is it real or not? Does the Zelda series have any true continuity or did you just see an opportunity to cash in on fan's theories?
Not to mention the in-game lore opposes what the Hystoria says.
Great theory, I always thought that gerudo desert and ikana canyon were the same desert so I'm finally backed up
Termina is just another country, hyrule can’t be the only kingdom in the world of LOZ. It’s just the only one that gets focused on due to the tellings of the story
remember also, both Oracle games introduce lands that are far from hyrule like holodrum and labrynna! I wish we saw them again, honestly.
6:08 In the Collectors Edition for Zelda on Gamecube, the description of Majora's Mask states that Termina is an alternate universe pretty much
Wait... what if Daruk:
*Isn’t Canon?!*
WAIT THEN WHO WAS PROTECTING ME?!?!?!?
I never thought about the lands of parallel worlds like Hyrule/Lorule, Light World/Dark World matching but Termina not matching! There is something somehow comforting about Termina existing out there somewhere through a warp in the woods. Like you said, there are several portals in there already.
The Easter eggs in botw are amazing except for when u actually try to think about it
How about my organized religion theory to give your brain something else to think about?
The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
Stoped this at 0:07 I saw the video before this one that you made and truly love this idea I am going into this having a feeling that it’ll be similar thinking and I’m very excited because I’ve been thinking about these carving and the theories so super happy to see you do this 😍😍😍
yay, Termina is not a parallel world. I've waited for this day.
1:02 I always wondered about how that fountain looks lol. Guess it was a bottomless void. 😂 Malon has a lot on her mind to be constantly looking at the void.
Link from oot could have also just told the Gorons about Darmani and the Goron elder's son. Why would the elder's son be there. Wouldn't it make sense that Link told the Hyrulean Gorons about the elder's son since he taught Link the Goron Lullaby and gave him the Gold Dust that let him upgrade his sword.
Link is also presumed to have the transformation masks when leaving Termina, so could he become Darmani and tell his tale to the Gorons of Hyrule. If the mask are presumed to only work in Termina, then this last part doesn't matter. But there are no evidence that it doesn't. The mask in oot have, as far as I know, no souls in them, making them just normal mask. The spirit of Majora went from Hyrule to Termina so the spirits of Darmani, Mikou, and presumably the Deku Butler's son might be able to do the same. Majora is much much stronger that the transform mask so they might not be able to make the travel.
(Note that I think that Termina is SEPARATE dimension to Hyrule. This theory can also work from your point of view NBC)
i was hesitant until the dodongo bit. makes lots of sense and i love it, totally going by this now! :)
Am I crazy or didn't Telma in twilight princess say they were in Termina? Well the way they've always made it sound was like Termina was the Continent and Hyrule was just a place in Termina
I assumed it was a story told by Link when he returned, and passed down through the years. The legend would have changed over time, and after that much time, elements would be lost to time, like where the story takes place, leaving the Gorons in BOTW to think of the legendary Darmani as important enough to be worth a statue in their city x
that's exactly what i think, i mean, they're ignoring the fact that hyrule encyclopedia mentions it's just a world created by majora, a CANON book, and then they say that's stupid.
Love love love this. Other games (Oracle of Ages/Seasons) and Majora's Mask have always shown other lands/countrysides. I dig the idea of portals/gateways connecting them from a magical realism standpoint. I also just appreciate your video addressing the not-often-discussed reality that Hyrule is but one region in the world/planet in which it takes place. Breath of the Wild confirmed that there are indeed other landmasses beyond the horizon and boundaries of the explorable map. In fact, I'd love it if future games (lol like this will ever happen) explore the religious implications of Hylians egotistically believing the gods/goddesses created Hyrule...whereas these other regions/nations clearly exist outside of those mythologies.
I think that all of the various easter eggs, like the outfits found in the dlc and the unique amiibo outfits/weapons, can be considered canon. I like to think that they're not the original objects, just copies based off of ancient legends. The statue of Darmani is likely based off of The legend of Link's adventures in Termina, or If Link did not pass on the legend himself, maybe the Gorons from Termina really did come through the portal and meet with Hyrule's Gorons at some point, or vice versa.
Also, I still think of Termina as an alternate world. There's no hard and fast rule saying that alternate worlds have to look physically like their counterparts, it's just a common trope that they do. While the reuse of character models in majora's mask was just a side effect of a limited development time, I think that the developers purposefully implemented the "parallel world inhabited by doppelgangers" trope because they were on such a time crunch.
My organized religion theory could help explain that.
The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
Doppelgangers are actually a commonality in the same material plane of existence/reality as Hyrule, not just Termina. Chiefly, the most noteworthy example are the hero candidates in Triforce Heroes who are the spinning image of Link yet are confirmed to not be related to Link in any capacity by the director, and Hytopia is within the same plane of existence as Hyrule.
Moreover, there is David Jr. from The Wind Waker who is not related to Tingle, Knuckle, and Ankle but looks identical to them, as well as the Rito postman named Koboli that is the spinning image of the running man and the postman from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and The Minish Cap respectively.
There are also a plethora of characters in Oracle of Ages in the land of Labrynna, which is also inset in the same reality as Hyrule, that are identical to characters who appeared in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.
Oh my gosh. I love your theory about Termina just being in a different area in Hyrule. It actually makes a lot of sense too!
How did I never think of the lost woods in majoras mask like this? It makes actual sense! Thats the reason why one gotta looooove zelda theories 😍
You’re so close to 100k subscribers!! Congrats on all the success. And cool video. Interesting points to think about
I really like the idea that Termina is a place in the same planet :)
you are definitely onto something here, the dodongo’s cavern mention in majorasmask did it for me
Way to possibly blow the whole termina being an alternative world out of the water dude! Awesome job on the Video!
This video made me sooooo happy I've always thought termina was in Hyrule, excellent video! You got my sub and like 💖✨
Yay another zelda tuber talking about that. I mentioned in my timeline vid and the explanation story im mid filming that this is how the majoras/ oot paradoxes do not affect the time line but prove its one singular line
Great video!
It got me thinking, what if as well. What if what you are saying is true, that instead of it being an alternate universe, Termina is actually just a land that is on the other side of the world. This would be really amazing, and would make me (a huge MM fan) super happy.
Can't wait for the next BotW 2 trailer!!! and love the new masks btw! :)
Yes! Another video! Looks really good
Oooooomg.... Thank you for this theory. It's simply soul satisfying to hear you propose well structured theory to the coexistence Termina and Hyrule.
Majora is my favorite game in the series, followed by Link's Awakening. The ending to Links Awakening is melancholic. There's this wake of emotions in watching everything dissolve. But there's closure, you get an explanation of how and why that adventure is connected to the overall cannon. And in the end, the feelings it imprinted, truly felt like that of a vivid feature length lucid dream.
I can find closure and acceptance in the ending, and deep satisfaction with the experience.
For years it's felt like Majora was a loose end. At the time it seemed like it was a world building expansion to the Zelda universe. But we never get any connection of it being canon, and I never fully got that closure.
So thank you again. Your theory showing that Majora is real, and it's connection to Hyrule really provides that much needed acknowledgement and validation that I'd be starving for.
This is awesome. I’ve seen a LOT of theory videos on Majora since Game Theory did their... well, we won’t talk about that... but you, MNB, are the first i’ve seen to suggest it’s just outside the boarders we know. Very cool. When i try to explain this video to other people, i’m just going to say, “Termina is a real place because Gorons are Canon.”
MNB’s theories are so legit and actually good
1:18 Aboriginal cave paintings: "Am I a joke to you?"
Honestly, this is prolly one of the best Termina theories I've heard so far!
Termina could still be a parallel reality. In the same way that Hylian assets are reused for this parallel world, Terminian characters could exist in Hyrule. We simply don’t see them in Ocarina of time.
I think similar, it is possible that the Goron Hero of Oot was the base for Darmani that lives in Termina.
@@alexpc.7797 that does make sense.
Thank you for explaining Darmoni, as someone who hasn’t played the previous games (except Twilight Princess) it helped lol
One thing I wanted to add: in the manual for Majora's Mask, Termina is said to be 'a kind of parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule'. If the manuals are considered canon, then Termina probably is a parallel world. But as you said: the canonicity of many Zelda things is up for debate. And 'a kind of parallel world' could mean a lot of things, depending on your interpretation of 'a kind of'. So you might still be right! Here is a pdf of the manual (i couldn't find it in higher quality, but it's still readable if you put in some effort :) www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_N64/Manual/formated/Legend_of_Zelda-_Majora-s_Mask_-_2000_-_Nintendo.pdf ) Thanks for the video!
Nice theory! I have another one regarding Termina being a parallel world which is: If the people from Termina are parallel versions of Hyrule people, then that means that the characters from Majora's Mask also have a parallel version in Hyrule. So, there could have been a Darmani from Hyrule that is a part of Goron story, and that's why they carved him next to Daruk, and the Darmani from Termina is the Parallel version of the Hyrule one, just that we don't get to see him in Hyrule. Also, the statue not being canon doesn't make that much sense because, if Link heals the Divine Beasts and finds his memories in BotW canon, he wouldn't be able to remember Daruk in his Divine Beast because Link remembers him when looking at the statue. Still, very nice theory and waiting to see more now that Majora's Mask lore is included in the theories :)
it's weird, you'd think after a longer stretch of time than all of human history they'd undergo some cultural drift or something. at least the adult timeline had trains and cameras and stuff.
But isn't there 1 Goron who says they wish they had a rock sirloin from Dodongo Cavern? Wouldn't that mean there is a way the Gorons know how to travel back and forth between Hyrule and Termina?
Yes, exactly. Hyrule and Termina are bordering nations.
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It's mentioned in the video
@@Pilachio I realised after I had posted that it was mentioned
4:10 I thought he said "using my own sword of criteria" 😂... Yes! Slay these theories with your Sacred Sword of Criteria!!! EPIC.
I have never thought Termina was some kind of Parallel world of Ocarina of time, the creators have never expressed that feeling and there have been many references to Majora's mask that are cannon. I'm glad someone finally made a video about it.
Hyrule Historia is what states that Termina is a parallel world so yes, the creators have stated it. But The Zelda Encyclopedia, which came out after in 2018 states that Termina was created by the power of Majora's Mask and the burdens of the Skull Kid and that when Link left Termina ceased to exist. The events of the game did canonically happen, but when Link left all that remained of Termina was Link's memory of it. The statue of Darmani is almost certainly just an easter egg the creators put in the game and nothing more.
@@brittwells8355 I'm going to disagree, since even though those books will say it's parallel, that's always been Nintendo's canon cop-out for reusing so many assets. Calling it a parallel world is an easier pill to swallow for fans than "Yeah we had to make a game in under a year so we just copied everything."
The designers, including Eiji Aonuma, have stated in interviews, that Hyrule and Termina exist as bordering lands. Remember that once the mask's power is gone and Link leaves, Termina still remains. If Termina wasn't real, that would be impossible. If Termina was a parallel dimension created by the mask, it wouldn't be possible either.
@@redwidow1358 I could see your point if it weren't for the moon. The moon destroys any theories that Termina is a real land. Also Zelda Encyclopedia, which came out in 2018, states that Termina was a land created by the power of Majora's Mask and the burdens of the Skull Kid and that it disappeared when Link left. I've never heard any interview where Aonuma states that Termina is real. If you could link me that interview I'd greatly appreciate it. If I can see that then I might tend to believe it. Also none of this really nullifies my original comment about Hyrule Historia. While I also do not believe that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule the op stated that the developers never said it was and I was just stating that they had in that book. That book is no longer canon and the Encyclopedia came way after so I tend to take that as canon unless the developers specifically state something otherwise. Sorry for the rambling.
@@brittwells8355 The Encyclopedia was written and released without Aonuma's involvement, so the fanbase typically takes the information within it with a grain of salt.
It's also worth noting that at the end of the game, when you defeat Majora, the moon simply fades away into rainbow light, implying it was never the real moon to begin with, just a creation of Majora's Mask. The real moon could still just be out in space and the people of Hyrule would never have thought twice about it.
I have been telling of this possibility of Termina being an actual country for a long time. Especially since Eiji Aonuma himself said something like that, if I remember correctly.
But the statue of Darmani could also simply come from the Hero of Time telling of him. That would make Termina's state of existance insignificant since Link would have the memory of him anyway.
My organized religion theory could also help explain that.
The three Goddesses are omnipotent and they can see events in all three timelines. Instead of the Queen or Zelda receiving the visions as many have theorized, the visions are sent to the "fortune teller" that King Rhoam referred to in his journal.
Now, what does this have to do with religion? Well, fortune teller is a synonym for a prophet. I propose that the fortune teller is actually a priest or priestess. Master Works speculates that it was the Queen, a high ranking official or a trusted advisor. Throughout history, most state leaders have had a trusted religious advisor. Some still do. It doesn't make sense that it would be the Queen, Zelda or another government official. If it were, then why would the King refer to them as simply a "fortune teller" and not by their name or title? I think that this rules out anyone in the royal family or any high ranking official. That would mean this "fortune teller" is someone outside the immediate royal family or government, but close enough to have the confidence of the King and be in the good graces of the three Goddesses to be the recipient of visions. A trusted religious leader or renowned prophet would fit that description.
How does it fix the timeline inconsistencies? A prophet tells the royal family about the visions they're receiving from the Goddesses and the church spreads these stories throughout Hyrule. These visions are of events depicted in the other timelines and are passed on. Not in print, but orally, where they are slightly changed in each telling. Eventually, the truth is muddled by countless retellings and are dismissed as mere "legends and fairy tales". Yet the royal family know otherwise, having heard it directly from the prophet. So they trust them and their fortune telling. Fast forward to before the calamity and King Rhoam has just been visited by the prophet, warning of Calamity Ganon's rise and that the key to his defeat lies underground. He believes the "fortune teller" and immediately begins massive excavations across Hyrule. They accidentally discover a Divine Beast and believe that this is what the prophecy was referencing. The Shiekah, upon the discovery of the Divine Beast, tell of the legions of Guardians once used to aid the Hero and Princess against the previous Calamity Ganon. The search for the Guardians also begins. Then of course, you have the events of the game, the Divine Beasts and Guardians are found, new Champions are chosen, then the Calamity revives.
I've always felt that religion played an extremely important role in Hyrulean society before the calamity. There are cathedrals and temples all over the kingdom, especially concentrated in Hyrule Castle Town, Central Hyrule and the Great Plateau, the population center and religious center of Hyrule. Not to mention all the Goddess statues in each major settlement. You have a religion sharing the teachings of the three Goddesses with the people leading to a general acceptance of alternate events and a prophet sharing visions from the Goddesses with the royal family. That explains how Zelda knows of events in alternate timelines, it explains how the different races can have knowledge of people's names and events from the alternate timelines and how locations could be named after people and locations from the alternate timelines.
Termina is on that outside bit of land beyond the giant canyon.
I like the idea of Termina being an alternate universe more than just being a different location in the world, however this would help clean up the timeline and world building in Zelda as a whole. It's definitely worth keeping in mind
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