Rice with pea protein is common, good combination. Just buy them plain and mix them. The earthy taste can be hidden in an oatmeal or just blend them with fruits. Easy.
@@YaYippieYeah Any idea for a good ratio to mix them? I use both pea and brown rice protein, but not together, I usually alternate them on different days. My diet does include a lot of different legumes and whole grains, so hopefully the amino acids generally balance out.
pea protein seems to be pretty cheap but it all seems to come from China and there's apparently a problem with them containing metals. Its a struggle to find something sourced locally.
@@YaYippieYeah They have become a little cheaper but I feel like they could become cheaper still (and I wish there was more variety). As for the taste, I tend to use pea protein mostly in savoury dishes as it does have a relatively strong taste that isn't as versatile.
I really appreciate the lack of “one size fits all” dogma in Layne’s videos. The nutrient sources and consumption habits go all over the spectrum, proving there are many paths to improving/maintaining health, you just have to find the one you can be consistent with.
Always love how informed and information based your content is. Compared to to Tik-Tok and other youtube channels dealing with fitness, the quality of your presentation really stands out! Keep it up brother! Also thanks for breaking down how you approach squats, as a taller guy it really helped me!
I recently did a comparative analysis of amino acids in a commonly available (soy free) 'plant burger' vs a high quality beef burger. We were surprised at how well engineered the plant burger to be quite close/balanced on the EAAs.
@@razonyespiritu i never suggested they were, merely that the amino acid profile was comparable. There are a multitude of factors that need to be analysed and scored when calculating the 'quality' of a protein source. Aa profile as i mentioned and bioavailability as you mentioned (plant protein CAN be absorbed well, depending on source and preparation) are both part of the formula, but certainly neither should be taken in isolation.
I noticed if I subbed out my smoothies pea protein with brown rice protein at the end of the day my amino acid profile was pretty bang on in cronometer. It was a surprising difference.
Plants contain an anti-nutritional factor called "protease inhibitor", which interferes with digestive enzyme in human body and decrease the absorption of amino acids. However, if you cook the plants you eat, the protease inhibitors are eliminated and absorption rate of amino acids increases. It means bioavailability of plant proteins increases.
Even though I’m plant-based, I still listen to this guy because he actually talks about science and at least has a objective point of view overall @biolayne
I just don't understand why you only have 269k subscribers. Your info is so well researched and in my opinion your message is balanced. You have made a huge positive impact on my journey. Keep it up Layne!
His balance is precisely why. Many people want confirmation bias videos and people who do hot takes which Layne doesn’t produce. It’s a shame because he’s a great voice in the community.
Plant based here for just over 4 years (for health reasons, not ethical). The general consensus that I have read about multiple times is that it's not so much about getting all of the essential amino acids in the same meal, and that if you eat a variety of plant based foods throughout the day, with varying levels of amino acids, it's the same as ingesting a complete protein in one shot. For instance, if you took these 3 protein sources talked about (corn, pea, and wheat) and you ate those separately at different times of the day, they would still be built up together to form complete proteins. Do you agree with that? Any thoughts?
Yeah that's the science. Adam Ragusa has a vid on this called food pairing myth or something like that. It's mostly just as long you get variety in the day but I like keep it mixed in same meal mostly just because it normally works out that way [ex. Rice and beans or seitan and lentil pasta]
A whole goods plant based diet is supposed to include multiple protein sources to get all amino’s. Mix lentils, legumes, nuts, seeds, whole grains etc. In the end it’ll be better than animal sources.
Hello Biolane!!! I LOVE how much you have come along with your material presentation. You speak super well and have a much more vibrant energy. Keep up with the great work!!!
@@razonyespiritu It contains all 9 essential amino acids, though perhaps not in the most ideal ratio, but technically by the very definition it *is* a complete protein. Also, how many of the studies looking at absorption use cooked versions of pea protein? When I eat pea protein, I either eat it cooked, or if I use in powder form, I blend it with apple cider vinegar (which then goes in a dip that has some fat). You can also culture it, which I have, but it is more time intensive so I don't do it much. All 3 of these methods denature the proteins and thus makes it easier to digest and absorb. And speaking personally, my body handles/tolerates pea protein in all forms way better than it does unadulterated A1 cow milk dairy. I can only do either well cultured regular cow milk (high quality yogurt), whey isolate, or the A2 only casein forms. Unlike non cultured A1 casein cow dairy, pea protein doesn't make me mucous filled AF, gassy, tired, or the like.
As Layne suggested, would be more interesting to compare an 80/20 whey/casein blend to the plant blend. It's pretty well established that 80/20 whey/casein is better than 20/80 which is found in milk protein
The real problem with blended plant proteins is how much more farming needs to be done to keep up with that demand. This means eradicting all life except for the farmed food from that acreage, spraying pesticides, fungicides, and insecticides across a wider range of land area, and also more carbon emissions produced by farming equipment. Something to consider if doing plant-based for ethical reasons. Nothing is perfect or free of consequence.
How many dairy cows can be supported by that same land, and how much Whey will that yield? Of course a snout to tail cow is everything a human needs, and provides meat, casting, Collagen, organ meats etc as well.
"The muscle protein synthetic response to the ingestion of 30 g of this plant-derived protein blend *does not differ* from the ingestion of an equivalent amount of a high quality animal-derived protein."
I just want to make sure I am not wasting my time with a pea and rice protein mix.Whey messes up my stomach randomly. THAT IS the only reason I do this. I use this in between traditional protein meals. So I use every kind of protein throughout the day.
You totally should do some sort of collaboration with dr. Mike Isratel form Renaissance Periodization. You both have very similar approach to fitness and science
Great vid again but tiny pet peeve, the Dutch name "van Loon" is more accurately pronounced like "van Lone". Other than that just consider this a helpful algorithmic comment.
Plant based athletes have been saying this for years but I’m glad that the science and someone as respected as Layne are discussing it. I tell people it is more challenging being plant based, but not inferior.
@@donewittit6607 and I say this as a vegetarian almost fully plant based athlete. It’s not hard for me but it’s harder than it wood be if I just anything, similar to dieting. Easy to stay lean but not as easy as someone that just eats whatever/wherever they want
@@donewittit6607 Yep this. Bulking is pretty easy but contest prep is really tough. The only way you can hit your protein goal without going over cals and carbs is with a ton of protein powder. But yeah definitely not inferior, I use vega sport protein and the amino acid profile is basically identical to whey.
@@donewittit6607 Its always going to be more challenging with more restrictions on your diet. If by "plant-based" you mean plant-only then yes by default that will be more challenging.
I use pea protein only (just low on methionine,actually i think it’s a good thing for aging reason…) and it works great for me. Nobody care but the algorithm… Take care.
If you eat a well rounded (30-40 variable whole food plants) whole food plant based diet with no processed foods and no animal products you can build muscle. I am doing it!.
Good review! I have many questions on protein some of which may be outside your area of research. Research shows animal amino acids are absorbed quicker or more efficiently and they aide in muscle growth modestly over plant proteins. It is true plant proteins are absorbed less efficiently and are not complete so a well rounded plant based diet is required to obtain the same level of protein from an animal source. Some data suggests an alkaline diet and high potassium diet of plant proteins allows for longer retention/use of plant proteins. I would like someone to study if a good human gut microbiome can aide in production of essential amino acids like cow guts. I am trying to build muscle eating a whole food plant based diet with limited animal products. I do this for benefits in longevity and disease prevention. I am most strict at avoiding processed foods both plant and animal. I am following the research by Dr. Thomas Seyfried, Dr. Oliver Maddocks of Faeth Therapeutics and the work of Dr. Colin T Campbell which all show increased cancer risk with certain proteins and amino acids and I can't help but hypothesis that the quick uptake or pro-growth affects of animal proteins may aide in muscle growth and cancer growth. There is no good data to suggest animal products lower cancer risk when compared to whole food plants. There are many medium and some high quality data to suggest cancer risk with increasing amounts of animal products in the diet. If you have information please share. If not I think this is an area of research that needs to be explored. The question I have is how much meat can I eat to be healthy, but not overdo it and obtain the health detriments in other areas proven from over consumption of animal products.
I like plant protein because it makes my oatmeal extra thicc. But yeah, the evidence seems pretty consistent that if you’re eating high protein (let’s say 1.6g/kg) the quality of said protein matters far less.
The muscle protein synthesis results speak for themselves. Layne categorized the results as being similar, which they are, but failed to point out that the graph for MPS actually showed the plant protein blend marginally ahead of the milk protein
Yep this is needed I think. So far for the plant only options I believe it is only pea protein, wheat protein and synthetic protein powders that are on par with animal protein. All other plant proteins are in question.
@@love_as_music No it doesn't, as it only measured 3 plant protein types measured (which are to my knowledge the only ones known to be comparable to animal). Regardless mixing proteins in conjunction with having more protein than necessary is an simple fix.
Hello, i have a question. If ypu need somewhere from 1.6-2.2g/kg of protein to optimal build muscle, how much protein per kg is enough to just maintaine what you already have? can i just cut dow to like 1-1.2g/kg and il be fine? hope u see this and sorry for my bad english.
Man I’m trying to do a body recomp at 350 lbs, down from 364 in a month. I want to preserve muscle so I’ve been all about animal protein. But my doctor says my cholesterol needs to come down so I’m looking at plant based complete proteins to get me there.
Of course it cannot. And food is not only macros - bioavailable micronutrients(much more abundant in red meat than any plants) are not less important than the overrated macros.
I have been whole food plant based for 5 years now and I have noticed my recovery is faster, I continue to progress in my training at a faster rate and as a bonus I am much healthier over all than I was on a paleo lifestyle. I see no reason for me to eat animal products at all, they are simply not needed.
I did keto years ago! It had me afraid of carbs! Now I have 20% clogged arteries! I’m eating now plant based ! Plus bought organic plant based protein powder!
They picked Milk Protein because it is easier to match/beat. If the Amino signature and quantity of both groups were the same, you would think you would get similar results. However I dont think any amount of source balancing and quantity adjustment in plant protein can match large quantities of Whey. I know some plant-based people that do prioritize protein so thats good. Also they realized it was easier to add back eggs and fish to address deficiencies. How long until they discover that red meat is even better? 🤣🤣🤣
Layne what's your take, or anyone's opinion. It's been said that a diet of low protein, (.25 grams per pound body weight intake) of animal protein is superior to the same amount of amino imbalanced plant protein, yet at a certain amount of protein intake, there is no difference if a specific amount of necessary balance of aminos are consumed. What might be that threshold? If one has about 160 grams a day perhaps only 30 grams of properly balanced aminos are necessary. If so what's the equation?
What do you mean "It's been said"? I've never heard of studies like that, do you have any sources or links? That sounds very weird. All sources I've seen suggest that overall daily protein intake is by far the most important factor for muscle building.
Wondering if there's any data on whey proteins made using precision fermentation like perfect day for those that are planted based but want the benefits of whey.
I'm vegetarian and I'm so thankful for your research and passion for this subject we all learn together! But this is clearly fake news/ misinformation/ disinformation bro. Haha just kidding! 🤓
My brother has PKU would this be an adequate alternative for protein for him. I'm not really to knowledgeable about his disease I literally was talking to him about dieting alternatives for him yesterday and telling him about Carbon diet coach. I just didn't know how he would hit his protein macros.
When wheat (the grain, not protein isolate) is referred to as having a pdcaas of .4-.5, what happens to the other .5-.6 fraction of the energy? Broken down for glucose? Excreted undigested?
I wonder if there are other side effects from these blends. At any rate I'm not a body builder and do don't need a shake. I'm happy to just get protein in a natural way, like a steak.
Regarding Carbon, would you ever consider a feature that allows you to see if your protein consumption has the right balance of amino acids, or is it presumed that in the course of consuming 35+g per meal, you've more than likely reached the threshold to stimulate MPS?
You need to get plenty of Luecine for MPS. Animal sources are good for L, plant sources are poor. You need 3 to 5 times the 'protein' in plant-based for the same stimulus. I say 'protein' because poor sources are low in Luecine, and high in Glycine which is a filler amino that is not as useful as the others (we typically get more than we need, and we don't need as much). Beef is best 🥩🥩🥩🥩
I wish there were more of theses blends on the market so that they drop in price. Because plant protein should in theory be a lot cheaper
Here in Germany, plant protein blends are cheaper than whey protein
Rice with pea protein is common, good combination. Just buy them plain and mix them. The earthy taste can be hidden in an oatmeal or just blend them with fruits. Easy.
@@YaYippieYeah Any idea for a good ratio to mix them? I use both pea and brown rice protein, but not together, I usually alternate them on different days. My diet does include a lot of different legumes and whole grains, so hopefully the amino acids generally balance out.
pea protein seems to be pretty cheap but it all seems to come from China and there's apparently a problem with them containing metals. Its a struggle to find something sourced locally.
@@YaYippieYeah They have become a little cheaper but I feel like they could become cheaper still (and I wish there was more variety). As for the taste, I tend to use pea protein mostly in savoury dishes as it does have a relatively strong taste that isn't as versatile.
I really appreciate the lack of “one size fits all” dogma in Layne’s videos. The nutrient sources and consumption habits go all over the spectrum, proving there are many paths to improving/maintaining health, you just have to find the one you can be consistent with.
Always love how informed and information based your content is. Compared to to Tik-Tok and other youtube channels dealing with fitness, the quality of your presentation really stands out! Keep it up brother! Also thanks for breaking down how you approach squats, as a taller guy it really helped me!
you mean because other youtubers debunk this video ?
so, biased view then not fact based
Good study! Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
I recently did a comparative analysis of amino acids in a commonly available (soy free) 'plant burger' vs a high quality beef burger. We were surprised at how well engineered the plant burger to be quite close/balanced on the EAAs.
Plant based burgers only made in Canada and shipped to China and back to the USA after it is made
animal-free based whey’s are also very interesting, check out perfect day
Yeah but they can't engineer to make me fart less
but plant protein is not absorbed as well as animal protein.
and legume flours are worst,
legumes need to be soaked
@@razonyespiritu i never suggested they were, merely that the amino acid profile was comparable. There are a multitude of factors that need to be analysed and scored when calculating the 'quality' of a protein source. Aa profile as i mentioned and bioavailability as you mentioned (plant protein CAN be absorbed well, depending on source and preparation) are both part of the formula, but certainly neither should be taken in isolation.
Biolayne deserves more subs
I noticed if I subbed out my smoothies pea protein with brown rice protein at the end of the day my amino acid profile was pretty bang on in cronometer. It was a surprising difference.
Good to know.
Plants contain an anti-nutritional factor called "protease inhibitor", which interferes with digestive enzyme in human body and decrease the absorption of amino acids. However, if you cook the plants you eat, the protease inhibitors are eliminated and absorption rate of amino acids increases. It means bioavailability of plant proteins increases.
Even though I’m plant-based, I still listen to this guy because he actually talks about science and at least has a objective point of view overall @biolayne
great job, Layne! Can't wait to listen to your podcast on Huberman!
This is great. Whey has increased so much in price. Whey around $140 pea $100.
I just don't understand why you only have 269k subscribers. Your info is so well researched and in my opinion your message is balanced. You have made a huge positive impact on my journey. Keep it up Layne!
His balance is precisely why. Many people want confirmation bias videos and people who do hot takes which Layne doesn’t produce. It’s a shame because he’s a great voice in the community.
suspect
hey layne! just commenting for the algorithm and sayin how much i loved the pod with you and andrew recently. listened to the whole thing :)
Plant based here for just over 4 years (for health reasons, not ethical). The general consensus that I have read about multiple times is that it's not so much about getting all of the essential amino acids in the same meal, and that if you eat a variety of plant based foods throughout the day, with varying levels of amino acids, it's the same as ingesting a complete protein in one shot. For instance, if you took these 3 protein sources talked about (corn, pea, and wheat) and you ate those separately at different times of the day, they would still be built up together to form complete proteins. Do you agree with that? Any thoughts?
Yeah that's the science. Adam Ragusa has a vid on this called food pairing myth or something like that. It's mostly just as long you get variety in the day but I like keep it mixed in same meal mostly just because it normally works out that way [ex. Rice and beans or seitan and lentil pasta]
For the algorithm. Because this channel deserves far more reach than it has.
Companies have been blending plant proteins in their protein powder supplements for years!!
A whole goods plant based diet is supposed to include multiple protein sources to get all amino’s. Mix lentils, legumes, nuts, seeds, whole grains etc. In the end it’ll be better than animal sources.
Just someone objectively talking about science. Love it! Also respectful towards all the plant based folks out there 💪🏼
This comment is nastier than Brussels sprouts
Demz sprouts be for for you boi
Sprouts are good
Huh?
Don't roast Brussels Sprouts dudeee :/
Brussels sprouts are delicious.
Hello Biolane!!! I LOVE how much you have come along with your material presentation. You speak super well and have a much more vibrant energy. Keep up with the great work!!!
This protein study was very helpful, especially with many food items now incorporating pea protein as an alternative
to animal protein.
pea protein is not complete,and is not very well absorbed
@@razonyespiritu It contains all 9 essential amino acids, though perhaps not in the most ideal ratio, but technically by the very definition it *is* a complete protein. Also, how many of the studies looking at absorption use cooked versions of pea protein? When I eat pea protein, I either eat it cooked, or if I use in powder form, I blend it with apple cider vinegar (which then goes in a dip that has some fat). You can also culture it, which I have, but it is more time intensive so I don't do it much.
All 3 of these methods denature the proteins and thus makes it easier to digest and absorb.
And speaking personally, my body handles/tolerates pea protein in all forms way better than it does unadulterated A1 cow milk dairy. I can only do either well cultured regular cow milk (high quality yogurt), whey isolate, or the A2 only casein forms. Unlike non cultured A1 casein cow dairy, pea protein doesn't make me mucous filled AF, gassy, tired, or the like.
@@justinw1765 complete protein means all essential amino acids,but each one in some requiered level,
so there is no need for other sources
@@justinw1765 a blend of pea protein and rice protein is better
I did that keto diet years ago! I have 20% blockages of my arteries! I’m on plant based now!
Keto or carnivore? And how old r u?
As Layne suggested, would be more interesting to compare an 80/20 whey/casein blend to the plant blend. It's pretty well established that 80/20 whey/casein is better than 20/80 which is found in milk protein
Thatvis why a Whey isolate/concentrate shake made with whole milk is best!
Loved your recent conversation with Dr Huberman
Great video! Any recommendations on a plant based protein supplement powder?
I've used Sun warrior. It uses pea protein I believe and is clean. Sweetened with stevia.
Great Study! Thanks Layne.
The real problem with blended plant proteins is how much more farming needs to be done to keep up with that demand. This means eradicting all life except for the farmed food from that acreage, spraying pesticides, fungicides, and insecticides across a wider range of land area, and also more carbon emissions produced by farming equipment. Something to consider if doing plant-based for ethical reasons. Nothing is perfect or free of consequence.
How many dairy cows can be supported by that same land, and how much Whey will that yield?
Of course a snout to tail cow is everything a human needs, and provides meat, casting, Collagen, organ meats etc as well.
@@peterpan408 Milk proteins are the most renewable source of protein by far.
Great stuff, thanks Layne!
"The muscle protein synthetic response to the ingestion of 30 g of this plant-derived protein blend *does not differ* from the ingestion of an equivalent amount of a high quality animal-derived protein."
Good info as always Layne, thanks 🙏
More great content, as always. Thanks!
Informative video layne thanks for sharing
that was really great info
Great info, thank you!
I really love how careful Layne is with how he talks to and about vegans.
Hes careful with how he talks about all diets which i like
Thank you for this good latest information!
I just want to make sure I am not wasting my time with a pea and rice protein mix.Whey messes up my stomach randomly. THAT IS the only reason I do this. I use this in between traditional protein meals. So I use every kind of protein throughout the day.
You totally should do some sort of collaboration with dr. Mike Isratel form Renaissance Periodization. You both have very similar approach to fitness and science
The recent nearly 4-hour Huberman Labs podcast was awesome.
Excellent presentation.
Thanks love your content Keep me posted on the Plant Based stuff. I’d like to be all plant base eventually.
Do plant-based proteins also have the benefit of having micronutrients like essential minerals, vitamins etc? Even fiber is good.
FOR THE ALGORITHM!!! XD I love your videos, thank you for always giving us such great content Dr Layne!
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding!"
Great vid again but tiny pet peeve, the Dutch name "van Loon" is more accurately pronounced like "van Lone". Other than that just consider this a helpful algorithmic comment.
Plant based athletes have been saying this for years but I’m glad that the science and someone as respected as Layne are discussing it. I tell people it is more challenging being plant based, but not inferior.
All due respect it's not more challenging being plant-based unless you're a bodybuilder which is unnatural
@@donewittit6607 and I say this as a vegetarian almost fully plant based athlete. It’s not hard for me but it’s harder than it wood be if I just anything, similar to dieting. Easy to stay lean but not as easy as someone that just eats whatever/wherever they want
@@donewittit6607 Yep this. Bulking is pretty easy but contest prep is really tough. The only way you can hit your protein goal without going over cals and carbs is with a ton of protein powder. But yeah definitely not inferior, I use vega sport protein and the amino acid profile is basically identical to whey.
@@coppertopp2268 amen to this
@@donewittit6607 Its always going to be more challenging with more restrictions on your diet. If by "plant-based" you mean plant-only then yes by default that will be more challenging.
Awesome! So happy to see some helpful content for vegans! Thank you.
I use pea protein only (just low on methionine,actually i think it’s a good thing for aging reason…) and it works great for me.
Nobody care but the algorithm…
Take care.
Yeah great points coming from science is credible , thank you !!
What about 70/30 pea/brown rice….this combo has almost the same amino profile as whey.
Great Video as always
thank you.
Stuart Phillips on MPS
Plant based for 7 years here, and have noticed no difference in lean body mass...
Great information Sir
good shit Lay, keep it up dawg
I'd like to see a study that compares Whey protein to the Warrior Blend mix that Sunwarrior uses
I'm helping!
If you eat a well rounded (30-40 variable whole food plants) whole food plant based diet with no processed foods and no animal products you can build muscle. I am doing it!.
Good review! I have many questions on protein some of which may be outside your area of research. Research shows animal amino acids are absorbed quicker or more efficiently and they aide in muscle growth modestly over plant proteins. It is true plant proteins are absorbed less efficiently and are not complete so a well rounded plant based diet is required to obtain the same level of protein from an animal source. Some data suggests an alkaline diet and high potassium diet of plant proteins allows for longer retention/use of plant proteins. I would like someone to study if a good human gut microbiome can aide in production of essential amino acids like cow guts. I am trying to build muscle eating a whole food plant based diet with limited animal products. I do this for benefits in longevity and disease prevention. I am most strict at avoiding processed foods both plant and animal. I am following the research by Dr. Thomas Seyfried, Dr. Oliver Maddocks of Faeth Therapeutics and the work of Dr. Colin T Campbell which all show increased cancer risk with certain proteins and amino acids and I can't help but hypothesis that the quick uptake or pro-growth affects of animal proteins may aide in muscle growth and cancer growth. There is no good data to suggest animal products lower cancer risk when compared to whole food plants. There are many medium and some high quality data to suggest cancer risk with increasing amounts of animal products in the diet. If you have information please share. If not I think this is an area of research that needs to be explored. The question I have is how much meat can I eat to be healthy, but not overdo it and obtain the health detriments in other areas proven from over consumption of animal products.
I like plant protein because it makes my oatmeal extra thicc.
But yeah, the evidence seems pretty consistent that if you’re eating high protein (let’s say 1.6g/kg) the quality of said protein matters far less.
Love it.. great video
Been following Layne since I was 16. That's more than a decade of nasty comments.
I just mix my split peas with my broth. That way I definitely have all I need.
Good info.
What are the optimal ratios (or ranges of ratios) of corn:soy:wheat?
good job man
The next thing to remember is it in the form of food Vs an isolate
Hey Layne what about the bioavailability of plant protein compared to milk protein?
I wonder too
The muscle protein synthesis results speak for themselves. Layne categorized the results as being similar, which they are, but failed to point out that the graph for MPS actually showed the plant protein blend marginally ahead of the milk protein
Yep this is needed I think. So far for the plant only options I believe it is only pea protein, wheat protein and synthetic protein powders that are on par with animal protein. All other plant proteins are in question.
@@love_as_music No it doesn't, as it only measured 3 plant protein types measured (which are to my knowledge the only ones known to be comparable to animal). Regardless mixing proteins in conjunction with having more protein than necessary is an simple fix.
Hello, i have a question. If ypu need somewhere from 1.6-2.2g/kg of protein to optimal build muscle, how much protein per kg is enough to just maintaine what you already have? can i just cut dow to like 1-1.2g/kg and il be fine? hope u see this and sorry for my bad english.
Hey Layne, I try click the link for your online course and it says page not found. Just wanted to let you know
Man I’m trying to do a body recomp at 350 lbs, down from 364 in a month. I want to preserve muscle so I’ve been all about animal protein. But my doctor says my cholesterol needs to come down so I’m looking at plant based complete proteins to get me there.
You could lose a lot of weight and gain muscle at 350 pounds
But what about Crow-tein?
would it be the same if you just combine a EAA supplement full of all the aminos you need with just a plant based protein (no blend)?.
Of course it cannot. And food is not only macros - bioavailable micronutrients(much more abundant in red meat than any plants) are not less important than the overrated macros.
I have been whole food plant based for 5 years now and I have noticed my recovery is faster, I continue to progress in my training at a faster rate and as a bonus I am much healthier over all than I was on a paleo lifestyle. I see no reason for me to eat animal products at all, they are simply not needed.
I did keto years ago! It had me afraid of carbs! Now I have 20% clogged arteries! I’m eating now plant based ! Plus bought organic plant based protein powder!
Good.Plant based diet is the only diet proven to cure coronary artery disease
@user-pg4jg5eh8k keto diet actually can clogg your coronary arteries
They picked Milk Protein because it is easier to match/beat.
If the Amino signature and quantity of both groups were the same, you would think you would get similar results.
However I dont think any amount of source balancing and quantity adjustment in plant protein can match large quantities of Whey.
I know some plant-based people that do prioritize protein so thats good. Also they realized it was easier to add back eggs and fish to address deficiencies. How long until they discover that red meat is even better? 🤣🤣🤣
💯 Layne!!
thx
Al Gore has some RHYYYTHHMM
Layne what's your take, or anyone's opinion.
It's been said that a diet of low protein, (.25 grams per pound body weight intake) of animal protein is superior to the same amount of amino imbalanced plant protein, yet at a certain amount of protein intake, there is no difference if a specific amount of necessary balance of aminos are consumed.
What might be that threshold?
If one has about 160 grams a day perhaps only 30 grams of properly balanced aminos are necessary.
If so what's the equation?
What do you mean "It's been said"? I've never heard of studies like that, do you have any sources or links?
That sounds very weird. All sources I've seen suggest that overall daily protein intake is by far the most important factor for muscle building.
great app!!
Derek was just on Mikhail Peterson's podcast. Would you be willing to go on her podcast if invited?
Wondering if there's any data on whey proteins made using precision fermentation like perfect day for those that are planted based but want the benefits of whey.
I'm vegetarian and I'm so thankful for your research and passion for this subject we all learn together! But this is clearly fake news/ misinformation/ disinformation bro. Haha just kidding! 🤓
Has anyone found a commercially available protein with this wheat pea corn blend?
My brother has PKU would this be an adequate alternative for protein for him. I'm not really to knowledgeable about his disease I literally was talking to him about dieting alternatives for him yesterday and telling him about Carbon diet coach. I just didn't know how he would hit his protein macros.
good stuff
What about lectins and other anti-nutrients in seeds? Do they affect protein synthesis?
When wheat (the grain, not protein isolate) is referred to as having a pdcaas of .4-.5, what happens to the other .5-.6 fraction of the energy? Broken down for glucose? Excreted undigested?
Anything on hemp seed powder? Has the bonus of fibre & omega fatty acids which could be good for a blend of plant based shakes.
3:34 Does anybody here know what is the RDA for leucine per minute.
I wonder if there are other side effects from these blends. At any rate I'm not a body builder and do don't need a shake. I'm happy to just get protein in a natural way, like a steak.
What about plant protein and BCAAs and EAAs
Humm?
Interesting study.
If you can find non-GMO corn😏
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Is there any studies that compare the amount of joint deceases between vegeterians and meat-eaters?
Regarding Carbon, would you ever consider a feature that allows you to see if your protein consumption has the right balance of amino acids, or is it presumed that in the course of consuming 35+g per meal, you've more than likely reached the threshold to stimulate MPS?
You need to get plenty of Luecine for MPS.
Animal sources are good for L, plant sources are poor. You need 3 to 5 times the 'protein' in plant-based for the same stimulus. I say 'protein' because poor sources are low in Luecine, and high in Glycine which is a filler amino that is not as useful as the others (we typically get more than we need, and we don't need as much). Beef is best 🥩🥩🥩🥩
For the algorithm😂. Love the content.
All hail the algorithm!!