Wolves at the Door | Retro Report | The New York Times
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- In the 1990s, the federal government reintroduced the gray wolf to Yellowstone National Park. It was considered a big success. And that’s when the real fight began.
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Oh my God! It took me a minute but I just realized what I watched here. I watched a non-polarizing, issue neutral, bias free, account of what could potentially be a polarizing issue, which addressed both sides of the story and simultaneously left it up to the viewer to decide how they felt about the issue. Even the comments here are relatively free of extremist views and seem more like general discourse than a warzone. All the while, the video exposed a potentially harmful flaw on our current conservation programs. It was... refreshing. Leave it to the wolves to shed a little light on the truth. I wonder how many other animals are still grandfathered into the endangered species lists in spite of actual numbers.
That was my thinking too, really great piece of journalism
“We just don’t want them here” too bad it was their home first.
Thotimusprime Official actually they were flown in a airplane from Canada. These American tax payers are taking the loss.
exactly, we wet to their territory not the other way around , I live in northern europe in here people can hunt only 10 wolves a year , or is wolf is very sick , they are soo magical animals,
Doll Parts The commenter meant that wolves in general were there first. They wouldn’t have had to be flown in if we didn’t decimate them in the first place.
I agree we should respect animals, but I want them controlled. I don't want wild dogs threatening my family.
But following that logic, they would have to re-introduce Indians and dinosaurs as well
The problem isn't the wolves, the problem is the extermination of wolves that led to this scenario.
The wolf/elk/cattle populations would've been just fine, but the extermination of wolves caused the equilibrium to be absolutely whack.
That’s when we allow hunters to come in allowing exotic food products and to stimulate the economy through hunting.
Steven Hogan that is not a solution
F them 🐄
Smokey Bear Uhhh, history books?
"It's unfortunate that more of us didn't think harder about the potential for backlash" Every decision ever made by the US government
The animals are probably saying "dang, there use to be so much land for us then these humans moved in" lol
Alpha Lucci yeah I'm pretty sure the Native Americans are saying the same thing.
Good grief, just get us to Mars quickly ! Only animals and dark skinned people have a right to a place live on earth !
John Dee blame whitey for everything as per usual
@@christienscheepers2915, you post like a racist pig !!!
Exactly 👍
I can appreciate an environmentalist with enough intellectual honesty to admit she screwed up.
I remember Tazmanian tiger being extinct. Some people just don't realize what lost they will have until this animals are gone. 😒
Kris Mas yeah it was a very interesting and majestic animal when it was around it will be missed.
Didn't you here about the plan to clone one
we have tons of them in alberta and bc, we have no problem with them
check your elk herds and let me know.....and btw they let out wolf tags out that way lol
@@crisitansardina9595
You do know that we have more wildlife of every kind than you, right? Like.... Plus how do you think they all got on before humans came about?
Kye Talks I’m sorry I don’t see your point.....and Idk they probably got along as well as polar bears in Antarctica
Kye Talks cause you know...Canadian timber wolves never lived in the lower 48
The ranchers in the US grew up spoiled, they're not used to living with wolves like the Canadians are.
He lost 120 sheep in one night? Haha, no way. Wolves do not eat that much and even if multiple packs came through, no way would they take down 120 sheep. I doubt they'd take down 20!
it means you don't know much about wolves ..
@@maminasr4255 I assume you have LGDs on hand to prevent wolf attacks then? How many do you run, and how do you go about socialising them?
Yeah 120 was a really high number. More like 20-30 with 10wolves
canada's author of "never cry wolf" admitted that wolves took down far more baby cariboo than they could eat in northern canada.
A lot of ranchers get money for killed livestock, I'm guessing this rancher had some losses to wolves and some to natural causes and decided to blame the wolves for money.
Additionally, for those talking about surplus killing, this mostly happens in years where wolf populations are hunted. news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141203-wolves-hunting-livestock-ranchers-endangered-species-environment/ Killing wolves is bad for ranchers.
These wolves have as much as a right to the land as the ranchers i dont feel bad
@show bread anyone in any industry is going to have an opinion. Factory owners who dumped their polluted water into Lake Erie also had different opinions to the creation of the EPA.
I'd rather keep the wolves
The wolfs have as much right to the land as the ranchers
Some would say, more right. The wolves were here first.
Funny how these ranchers don’t mention that they use federal and state land to raise their livestock on. Maybe I would feel bad for them if the wolves we’re coming onto private property.
merima livestock guardian dogs have had a great success keeping dingoes away from livestock here in Australia they form their own pack they stay with the stock and they let the wolves know you're ranch belongs to you're pack and will fight wolves to the death if need be just put a wolf collar on just start with a couple breed them desex the pups sell the second litter or any more than you need
@James Mara
GRAMMAR Queen
“We don’t want them here”
The ironic is comically sad
H conteh I don’t want that ignorant young rancher on the earth either; so would it be right for me to find where he works and scope him out from 600 meters and shoot him? NO OF COURSE NOT!!!
Isn’t cattle one of the leading causes of carbon emissions.🤷🏾♀️I’d rather have more wolves and a better environment
Yeah, they release a lot of carbon everyday. They didn't know that wolves can balance the ecosystem in Yellowstone. Not only the wolves benifit from their release but also the whole biodiversity itself.
This is an interesting debate.
One side, wolves are numerous and deer and elk are deminishing.
The other side, yes theres a healthy number of wolves, but we are not passed the point where their genes have mixed enough.
Yes, because there isn't a healthy mix already up in Canada that could fix this issue at any time, right? RIGHT?
I don't care about the ranchers. Federal land is taxpayer land, and as a tax payer I want it to be used for the wildlife. Buy a farm, construct barns and fences to keep predators out, use guard dogs or motion sensor lights to frighten away predators. Slaughtering wolves is sick.
These attacks are happening on their land. Fences don't keep the wolves out. They can jump over them or dig under them.
Paul Helton There is a Wolf proof fence you know. People in Romania use it alot because their big Wolf population. The fence goes underground and high enough to make the Wolf unable to jump that high.
You wouldn’t be saying that if you realized this is actually their land and they’re loosing everything they have because of these beasts, I’ve heard they’ve released some wolves near the lake here, god help me if I see them messing with my cattle.
Who is going to pay the enormous amount of money to build fencing for chunks of land which can be thousands of acres in size?
@@gregjames9875 , your sense of entitlement is strong! 🤦🏻♀️
Amazing animals, visually!
Ahhhh the wolves were there first just saying
These wolves are a Canadian breed reintroduced there is alot more info on this and other predators if your interested Read into it with emotion aside. The money for this program was stolen by politicians. The entire situation gets interesting
Yes and then we came and killed them all just saying
1ad L what do you mean Canadian breed? they lived in the us and Canada they just have linage from northern Montana and Canada
Wrong
@@westernyay1701 : in Canada we still have active wild herds of wolves. their only "predator" is trappers their herds stay far enough away from farms and humans that they are not a problem. Coyotes are a bigger problem.
I do find it hard to sympathise with a rancher who can apparently lose 60,000 dollars worth of livestock in two years and still be in business
They are given compensation by the government for their loses
I got to see a couple of them when I was there 10 years ago it was so cool
7:48 im dying lol
I love how that one person was like put up a fence... if I put up a fence around my cattle the Wolves can't get to it... but then I can't let my cattle Run free in the mountains so I don't have to feed them
Go Wolvies! LOL
Well they were there first! How are they the problem?
Larry Smith wrong
Chaz Beed no, he is right
No he isn’t. It was a different species of wolf.
No chad actually these wolves from Canada are grey wolves the same species as the ones exterminated
American Fox no. It’s the same as grizzly bears in Alaska and grizzly bears in Wyoming. They aren’t the same thing.
Am I for wolves, yes.
LDSRaichuguy me 2 save the 🐺s
Wolves need a place to live too.
Why do we want less than 300 wolves but we allow thousands of mountain lions and black bears. We have more grizzly bears in the Yellowstone Ecosystem than wolves.
Wolves don't cause conflict, people do.
Started seeing these north of the mohawk valley where the Adirondacks start I thought I was crazy, like those are some big coyotes
How can anyone not love wolves? They are gorgeous animals who have the right to live again where they once lived in peace with nature till man took them out . .
They’re lovely until they eat half your wages.
peace? there is no peace in nature
where talking about maintaining the wolf population at a certain amount while humans keep populating everyday.. we need to fix that.
We need a new plague. -Dwight Schrute
Yeah just drop DEAD
We love living in the area that a retro report is talking about 😅😅
Let’s be honest. We don’t have to many wolves overall in the region. In certain areas like the Lolo Zone in Idaho things are out of balance. But overall we don’t have to many wolves. There are more than a quarter million elk, thousands of mountain lions and probably more than 50,000 black bears across the region. There are 700 grizzly bears in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. Wolves don’t number nearly as much in that area.
Both sides missed the mark back then. Too many Elk are bad, so you add wolves, but with so many elk you get a sharp incline in wolves, then the elk shrink and now the wolves have to hunt cattle to live. Its finally leveled off now, but of course you still have to hunt wolves. You cant let the pengilum swing too far either way.
FINALLY, someone else gets it.
1600 wolves in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and how many people live there maybe we should back off instead of the wolves considering they were here first
THANK. YOU. *claps in agreement*
Good grief, just get us to Mars quickly ! Only animals and dark skinned people have a right to a place live on earth !
Christien Scheepers racist much?
th-cam.com/video/_XSx6KeTxwo/w-d-xo.html.................THE WOLF AT MY COUNTRY'S DOOR IS BIGGER THAN YOUR WOLF !
@@christienscheepers2915 please. narrow minded people are not welcome
So when will you restore wolves to NYC and other traditional habitats? They were not just in the Rockies
Rocks and Oil they are now in Oregon Washington state and California
Now they are in New York City. Wolves and Coyotes are in New York City's Central Park and on Staten Island. I bought my sister a Tibetan Mastiff to keep the wolves away from her house.
Yellowstone National Park is not in Central Idaho. It's near the Wyoming/Idaho border. But the first wolves were introduced in the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness.
If this topic interests you try the book "Where the Wild Things Were".
Hm, that hunter guy was a pretty reasonable fellow.
We do not know what we've lost until it's gone. This would turn out like the Tasmanian devil if left to the hands of hunters.
@@illustryfe5354 Tasmanian TIGER
They're roaming in public property and not in your property is it's all good. If you keep your animals in your property and fence it off you been good.
Britain is overrun with rabbits destroying the crops across the farming communities how about a few dozen wolves for British farmlands??
There a large dogs that are breed to fight off wolves and used to guard flocks of sheep and cattle. They will stay with the heard 24/7 and wolves will defer.
Sorry but the wolves were here first. These farmers need guard dogs.
Wolf lived there first
Victoria B wrong
12,000 years ago, the first people moved to Yellowstone native American. the wolf lived there already then according to Yellowstone history museum. The horses came with people from other parts of the world. Today's Americans. You can read it in America history books.
It’s a different species of wolf.
They both were the Grey Wolf
look, here's an outlandish idea. if the area you want to settle in is too dangerous to live in, don't settle there. it's easy.
@Charles Charlemagne they... didn't need to settle??? They could've stayed in their home country in the first place. It's not like the continent was uninhabited by humans either. Killing off entire species and potentially destroying an entire ecosystem for their own greedy needs is careless and frankly infuriating.
literally just get taller fences
Was there a big part of that ecosystem
I would love to have feedback (fair criticism) on this idea:- Have the park authorities (Yellowstone and Grand Teton) considered raising the cost of admission by just a few dollars and using the money to compensate ranchers within some reasonable radius of the parks for cattle losses that can be proven to be wolf related? Yellowstone has received over 3 million visitors per year for a few years in a row in recent years, and ranchers in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming have reported somewhere in the vicinity of 4500 animals lost to wolves per year (though this may be greatly inflated). If we overestimate both the number heads of cattle lost per year at 4500 and the price of a head of cattle at $1500, then gross losses due to wolves are less than $7 million per year for cattle (probably far far far less). So if just 2 million annual visitors to the park pay an extra $3.50 for admission, then the funds raised could easily be used to compensate ranchers. Money to compensate ranchers can even be supplemented by imposing a small tax on businesses in the towns in the Greater Yellowstone region (since many of those businesses depend of the money spent by park tourists.... well over 300 million and even over $500 million per year in recent years). Couple that with some really well trained cattle guard dogs (like Kangal dogs), and I think that we can find room for the wolves and ranchers to co-exist.
And here is another crazy idea (I'm not sure if this is technically feasible); what about placing something similar to a 'shock collar' on at least some members of each pack of the park's wolves (especially on the 'alpha pair'), that can work at very long range (perhaps by GPS satellite sensing) to give the animals a slight electric shock every time they stray too far from the park, or perhaps every time they roam onto a cattle or sheep ranch? Transmitters can be installed on the ranch that send a signal to the collar to shock the wolf when they come near the ranch? That way the wolves can start to avoid the negative experience of a shock that is associated with being around cattle (or being in specific areas) in the same way that a dog shock collar can be used to train pet dogs to avoid straying out of a yard.
Ranchers know the risks of livestock loss in the area; they should have insurance for these sorts of thing. No reason they should be reimbursed by anyone.
Any time federal or state has control of money, the majority of it ends up in the wrong pockets.
Why dose no one talk about red wolves who are only in 1 or 2 counties in North Carolina
Build the donal trump wall around your ranches.
Maybe we shouldn’t have hunted another species nearly to extinction.
This was horrific.
Didn't more bison get killed in the U.S. than any other animal to starve the natives?
No...the vast majority of the bison were killed by Native American hunters!!!
I want one to grow old with...I love them.
There is a reason why wolves are coming to the doors
Can they put wolves on Kodiak Island?
OK look here wolves are wolves there just being there selves so if you have a problem with animals you have a problem with me
the dragwolf me 2 I love wolves
Aroooooooooooo.
In this lawless Administration the respect for law is non-existent
Some days I honestly feel like the NPS is the only federal body doing good in the US... and ditto for Parks Canada up here. So, y'know, vote all the way down the ballot in every election available to you, because 45 is interested in shutting them down entirely in America, and we're looking at a bleak future for environmentalism in Canada in the next 5-10 years.
Its sad because the best answer is taking a little bit from both sides of the argument to handel the problem the rite way. To just let the wolves go unchecked is going to cause problems to humans. But to hunt them freely leads to there extinction. So somewhere in the middle would seem like the best answer? Both sides just stand dead set on there opinion being they only rite one.
They should go back to their country. The people. This is wolf country
How much do one actually needs to live on,makes one think's, really how ignorant can humans be.money and greed will always destroy every living thing.
For Christ’s sake the grey wolves are as Far East as Iowa ! And that’s insane ! We heard they came from the Minnesota population but genetic testing proved they came from the west ! We have mountain lions killed by police in Des Moines Iowa ! Last I checked Des Moines looks like any other large city ! But here are mountain lions , a few killed every year by deer hunters hunting white tails and happen to drive them out ! I know for a fact seen it with my own eyes took pictures and showed the state wildlife biologists a wolve pack along the Des Moines river basin near and around Iowa’s largest man made lake ! And baby mountain lion cubs running over a mom at a den sight! black bears reproduction in the NE part of the state... places I take my children too trout fish but too be ran out by black bear and cubs . We don’t have the people to protect animal and people confrontations. We can’t even protect our wildlife we have with the few officers Iowa counties can afford we ruined our pheasant hunting king status by creating a breeding ground of predators all while the fur market was destroyed by anti fur people and peta they think they won but they only caused starvation on this fur bearing animals and the loss of the song birds the rabbits the squirrels the migratory water fowl it’s insane why we continuously mess in Mother Nature’s receipe book! There are reasons these animals have fell into pockets of habitat! Natural reasons. We have lost billions in outta state revenue for pheasant hunting! Billions! Common people think things thru before you go messing with nature .
*American’s are sure getting picky of who they think should live and where. Wolves ARE a keystone species and needed for a balanced ecosystem, period.*
If they don’t want their cows being eaten by wolves they should stop leeching off of public land.
Are wolves safe to humans? I've always thought of them as hostile and scary, like bears.
Yes, the wilderness is dangerous to humans. Doesn't mean we should destroy all of it, just to make every square inch of the planet 'safe for humans'.
Yeah?!?! Not co side ring science will bite ya back! No pun intended
Cabbage patch cows.
Shouldn't raise cows in wolf territory. Try bison
Ed Bangs?
*I guess my biggest question is the fact that if ranchers are grazing THEIR cattle on public lands then I’m not sure their interests should be paramount over the rest of the nation.*
Endangered species are important but if you want to re-introduce a predator to an area full of cattle, you can expect it not to go well, and you can expect everybody that is getting screwed by the wolves to get mad.
Ranchers figure in troy losses to wolves As cost of doing business & ethical duty to maintain & honor the land & all it's natural inhabitants. We must preserve as much of our natural resources as much as possible
Why don't people investigate who really owns "public" lands.
It is not the public.
Save all the wolves
Wolves are absolutely beautiful creatures, and we shouldn’t be killing these keystone species.
Science has lost! America the ignorant...
Wolves are a beautiful part of the animal kingdom & deserve to have a great life. If you don't want them to eat your cattle, sheep, ect then make a tall privacy fence & protect your livestock!
#🐺
Wow so incredibly naive. Fences don't fix the problem. But hunters do 😁
Wolves are beautiful away from kids and pets and livestock. Only a liberal would think it's a great idea to bring wolves back to places where they were purposely driven out. Children's safety and livelihood are more important than having cool looking dogs running wild so some bureaucrat can feel like they did something!
Admin PTR they’re not just “cool looking dogs”
That’s a very ignorant statement you just made here
He lost 120 sheep in one night? No way! Seems like the Wolf haters are also liars! Pfft
Yeah that 120 is grossly exaggerated . Especially since that city ordinance lawfully allows no more 75 sheep
Ye Stars it just goes to show what liars these Farmers are. They hate Wolves and are not willing to use proven non lethal tactics to prevent predation on livestock
LMFAO who was there first, the wolves that they killed off or the POS(s) that killed them off ?
I despise ranchers and farmers and greedy humans
I like my steaks (cow), elk and deer (venison),,, I don't like wolf ,,, tastes really bad,,, no wolves for me,,,
Put them in Wall Street so they will become The Wolves of Wall Street. Isn't that great?
Keep the wolves alive! Don't let them go under danger/extinction!
@4:00 BRO, google Kangal dogs. Problem solved
That guy said, we just don't want them here, and the white man also said that about the native American Indians, both were here before them
I wish wolves had high power, telescopic sighted rifles and knew how to use them.
Like we need more cows and sheep
American ranchers are the only ranchers in the world crying about wolves, and losses. Every other countries ranchers have dealt with wolves all their lives, and they dont cry. American ranchers have just had a free ride for too long. Now they are crying as if these losses are going to cripple them... where are all the crippled Canadian ranchers!
People act like the ranchers hate wildlife. I guarantee they care more then miss Harry Potter glasses. They just live in nature so they see what is actually going on. Wolves and grizzly bears are out of control, and you all would see that if you lived with them.
"Coverage on the news" cuts to Fox news....how credible lol
Could be worse, they could have cut to MSLSD or CNBC, their credibility is all gone now, but just a few months ago Fox haters thought they were real Journalists lol Talk about credibility issues.
How about we let nature do it’s thing.
Overreaching federal power. As a resident of DC, I feel that as well.
this is one of those times where the rancher should be reimbursed for their losses
Do-gooders not thinking things through is no surprise.
Coyotes are like mice in Illinois now.
Ranchers and farmers living closer to the wolves region are saying they don't want wolves.. And you sitting in your office and beautiful home in the city saying. you want wolves..
in south new mexico people have built buildings to protect school children from the grey wolf.
Wolf meat is delicious!... everyone should try it once in their lifetime.
John Wayne u sick
Latha Falls Just had a physical, couldn't be in better health!
Do u have any dogs ?
Latha Falls Yes.
John Wayne do u know where dogs come from?