but... no, really. what if Tiana was white...?
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Tiana is supposed to be a Black American woman and... she's not. Without her skin color distracting you, you can now see how she's culturally blank.
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End all wars.
End all genocides.
New York Post has a quick rundown of the Red Summer:
• Elaine Massacre: The b...
This mainly highlights one of many massacres that happened that summer.
Did you forget the part with Tiana at the end tries to buy way and she has enough money for the restaurant but the two men refuse her away? That wasn’t because of racism?
EXACTLY! They literally said 'a woman of her background' couldn't handle the restaurant. Implying that they think a black woman can't handle owning a buisness.
@@chlorine5818 I remember those words, clear as day, as well. Although they likely still microaggressed her over her gender when she urged them to reconsider selling the place to a higher bidder.
@@chlorine5818which of crazy because I could’ve sworn they called her the n-word
She only had enough for the down payment (typically 20%), while someone else offered the full amount in cash. In regards to background, that can be debated on. She spent years coming up with the down payment and they gave a low blow in regards to the fact that they believed she could not upkeep the restaurant with all savings spent on the down payment. Either that or they had prejudice. It benefits everyone more if a hard cash full payment was given over a down payment. The building was her dream, but to them it's only business.
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Definitely not. It's a Disney movie for kids.
Honestly, I don't think every character in every movie should be heavily influenced by their culture. Tiana's main motivation is her father and dreams of owning a restaurant and doing what she loves. While yes, in the times the movie portrays IN REAL LIFE there were many major issues and a lot of racism, but REAL LIFE doesn't have talking frogs and aligators playing trumpet. I think sometimes, characters can just be of other race while not making it a major part of their personality or motives. While representing certain cultures and problems they face is beautiful and inportant, I dont think it HAS to be represented for the representation of said race/gender/whatever else to be valid. Sometimes, character can just be black, aisan or white. Plus, its a movie, an animated one at that, and it has limited time and resources to present its story, so sometimes not everything makes the cut. As a white girl, european, I always loved Tiana, and she was just another aspirational, hard working, beautiful princess to me. I loved the movie, the songs and the story, and for a country with very few black people seeing representation as just existing as any normal human being was a positive expirience for little me and it then encouraged me to research black culture and in later, older years, also the issues it faced.
I skimmed, but Imma add in my two cents, anyway: I think it's okay that, after the character is made, you can put in elements of their culture. Like Tiana being Black can open up a few extra things. But your main motivation in a children's movie shouldn't be to prove a point.
@@Queen_Sakura yes. I think sometimes characters can just be, exist, because in the end they are normal people, who also face normal human struggles.
Exactly. The color and "accuracy" doesn't really matter. Just present characters as well characters and well-written individuals in the context of the narrative that you are trying to tell.
6:37 You literally answered your own question of “why are they in the movie” with “they cause everything to happen.” Yeah, almost as if the movie is trying to tell us rich white people hold all the power and can determine poor / colored people’s fate with terrifying ease.
9:05 Classism and racism are unfortunately tied, so even if it’s only about class in his mind, it still seeps into racist territory. Basically a white man going “How dare you still be poor because we enforced slavery way back when, creating an unfair starting point for multiple generations of black people. Should’ve worked harder.” The subtext is found in our real world, which the movie parallels.
Honestly I don’t know why you’re so adamant Tiana becoming white wouldn’t change the story or her character in a meaningful way, in regards to her being black. There’s just so much that points to the opposite. Sure, it’s not entirely reflective of every black experience and is toned down for general audiences, but what’s there sticks out and is very much important nonetheless.
Whether Tiana changes as a person or has a 100% satisfying character arc is irrelevant when discussing if she is black, because the vibrant world around her and her struggles combined are already telling us she very much is. Also the “not historically accurate” bits are just that, not a gotcha of how she isn’t still seen as black in a made up movie with magic.
It was always insane to me how her happy ending is getting a big successful restaurant right before the Great Depression hits
But she’s a princess. The kingdom of Maldonia will continue to give her money to support her restaurant. If anything, the Great Depression would make her restaurant even more successful because she won't have any competition. Sad, but true.
Soooo..did we watch..the same film?..
tiana is poor because she works at a restrurant, until she met naveen a prince who was from a place called maldona and i won't change her race from black to white i like her like that.
i love her being different.
It's to make a point about her not having any culture.
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@@claireimitatingart oh ok thanks for replying.
@@claireimitatingart She has a culture sis what. 🙄 I won't deny that the movie isn't the best representation but to say that she completely lacks culture is absurd. She makes gumbo, which is associated with the south, and sings a jazz song in the movie. She also wears a flapper outfit(which wasn't specific to Black women during that time, but still relevant towards her CULTURE.), and there's an entire video by ModernGurlz calling her the "most stylish Disney princess" and showing how her outfits not only look good, but are historically accurate for the time period. Also it's not in the movie but it's still relevant imo: in a recent ad Disney made featuring Tiana, she is shown letting down her hair and showing her natural, Afro-textured curls. And she's inspired by Leah Chase, an African-American chef based in Louisiana who made Creole cuisine and was called the Queen of New Orleans. If you don't like the movie then I'm not knocking you but to say that she had NO CULTURE AT ALL and could've easily been white with no issue is just absurd and wrong and doing a disservice to Tiana. The writers DID do their research. Did they do enough? Nah. Did they whitewash some aspects of racial relations in American culture during that time? Absolutely. But to say that Tiana was just a blank slate is just...I don't know who you expected to convince with this video, no offense. Come on now.
Disney needs to stop the Live action all together. I'm not fan of neither white washing and black washing. Give us original Afroamerican, latina, asian princesses.
It's called encanto
"...Aye why this gumbo got raisins in it?"
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Ngl I do not care about the skin colour. I love a fictional character for their personality, not cause she's white or black 💀
excactly tiana would still be an amazing character white or black
Actively implying that being quote un-quote ghetto is a part of African American culture and being tilted that a corporate driven children's movie company isn't reflecting that is incredibly petty and quite rude. Not every African American has to be ghetto or impoverished to be African American. Some people may seem "culturally blank" depending on how, where and when they were brought up. Everyone is different as life is a massive spectrum. Don't marginalize an entire other part of your culture for the sake of some white knight railing against a million dollar company. Maybe you feel alienated by the fact that there are folks in every class level within an already marginalized group, but just because you don't want to believe that does not mean that subsection of the culture doesn't exist. We can't wipe away people so easily when they don't fit into a nice tightly wrapped stereotyped box.
The sad irony is that African Americans were fooled into believing that rap, ghetto and everything related to such an experience is the core/heart of African American cultural identity when in reality it isn't. What's truly sad is that people such as the author of the video full-heartedly believe that they are critiquing the misrepresentation of their culture which is a lie because it is not really your culture.
@denniszaychik8625
I know exactly what I'm talking about.
I never said anything about "rap, ghetto and everything related" so thanks for your casual racism! You also don't seem to know what Black culture is so please do your own research.
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YOU implied that "ghetto" is part of AA culture. I did not. You seem to be rather unfamiliar with Black American culture and your casual racism is unappreciated. Please do your own research.
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@@claireimitatingart Funny thing is that I am not a casual racist at all. You on the other hand are an ideology lap dog that doesn't understand even realize it. Also you twisted my words around. I am not saying that this is the essence of black culture or believe it to be so.Reread it.
@@claireimitatingartYou're the one who needs to do research not me cause judging by your videos propaganda has rotted your brain.
I'm sorry, but you have to be kidding me, this is a fantasy movie set in the 20s. Tiana's family might not match the "Modern" black culture of today, but family values are still a solid part of healthy black culture from my observation of families in non-ghetto communities. Also, it's a loving depiction of a hard-working black family so why are you mad? Our biggest issue is actually class-driven, though, yes, racism occurs, especially in poorer areas. In fact, racism occurs in ALL groups among the uneducated and simple-minded of those respective groups; White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, and so on. People naturally fear what they do not understand, what is different, and our media is keen to keep us fighting rather than focusing on the leadership in this county that is taking ALL our money and not fixing the issues of poverty, poor education, poor healthcare and so on.
"So why are you mad?" You want a genuine answer it seems! She wasn't asking for flawless representation of modern black culture, in fact she didn't really ask for that specifically at all..? She was mostly talking about how any struggle in this is related to class and not race when people want to act like it is good representation for the struggles black people face in society. Anyone can be poor, yes, that's part of the reason why its not good representation for racism and how *it* affects class. It doesn't make people of color in general feel seen when it never acknowledges racial bias and only financial. "Our biggest issue is actually class-driven," you have no place to say what "our" biggest issue is when people stop killing people just for the skin tone they were born with, when the beauty standard stops being pale skin. You really have no place in general to say what our biggest issues and struggles are when, if you are the very white girl in your profile picture since that's what your name suggests, you wouldn't know much about how it feels to experience racism in the first place.
It can be a fantasy movie, it makes it unrealistic, and thus not good representation. It doesn't have to be, it'd be nice, but we can't act like it is, okay? The words "but family values are still a solid part of healthy black culture from my observation of families in non-ghetto communities." came out of your brain, into text, you read it back, and thought it was perfectly fine and okay and normal to say about fellow human beings!!! You have no place at all to speak about this matter whatsoever if you refer to it as "observation" like we're creatures??? Hello??? You don't have any experience or even black friends from the way you talk about us and act like this video doesn't make sense?? "People naturally fear what they do not understand," yeah, like the truth, and the truth is: you're sounding really bad right now. You, white, talking about black experiences and struggles like you'd know, saying things like "observing" and "non-ghetto" is actually kind of fucking crazy when you're trying to say what you're trying to say here man.
"family values are still a solid part of healthy black culture" This has a strange implication that other healthy cultures do not like their families as much btw??? I don't think you meant it that way I just think its kind of wild the way we're still like tightly knit pack animals to you in the way you talk about us lol
"racism occurs in ALL groups among the uneducated and simple-minded" Oh hell yeah dude, we know that shit like the back of our hands, like you out here speaking over black people's struggles?? Racism happens everywhere, and its NOT seen here in this movie. That's why its bad representation. It doesn't need to be representing racism, again it'd be fucken great if it was, the issue still is people acting like it does and throwing it around in debates or praise or whatever other shit like its even about us at all because its not
I'm glad you can have fantasies about the 1920s but that is not how *I* a Black American feel about it. It's erasure. You wouldn't have a happy re-imagining of the Holocaust, would you? I'm not saying there wasn't happiness. I'm saying this is a lie. An albeit hurtful lie for me.
It's not any Black culture. I can tell that you are also unaware of what exactly Black culture is since you think I want Tiana to "act ghetto." Whatever that means. Please. Go do some research.
Systemic racism is not affecting all groups.
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Nailed it. Edit: Not sure what happened to the other reply but let history know that it was epic.
@@claireimitatingart Thank you!!! TH-cam hates when we speak the truth I guess
@@claireimitatingart How does it hurt you? You were not alive then. You live today. If I sat around evaluating the pain of my family or cultural history I KNOW I sure could come up with traumas too. You didn't live then.. your parents did not either. You are projecting what you think happened and that only causes you imaginary pain. Move on and stop fixating on negativity.
To be honest, that's actually a good question. speaking from a person of color myself.
Huh?? That made no sense. I would've understood your point if you said that Princess and the frog is a german fairytale and thus they should be white and it should be set in Germany because that makes sense but what you said is just.... Unnecessary.
she doesnt want tiana to be white smh, she's making a point about the lack of black culture in the writing
@@sallijunttila3006 Honest questions coming from a black woman, what is black culture? Like what do people want to see? Is there a spectrum for black culture? I see a lot of myself in Tiana. Growing up I was told I had to work twice as hard to get where I wanted to be in life, so seeing a Princess who looked like me and had the same relentless work ethic I had made me feel seen. Seeing her friends make the comments they did, also made me feel seen because that happened to me too. I can understand that not everyone relates to her, realistically not everyone will and that is okay. But these are genuine questions I have as someone who was told that I didn't fit into the black culture and was ignored by people who claimed to have it, for most of my life.
Sorry but this comment is so fucking stupid 💀
Im only 8 minutes in but i think Tiana wanted to provide jobs for people in her community. She probably would've paid them well. Idk that just what i assume.
i don't really get the point of this video? you didn't explain your points very well. i didn't understand why you turned tiana white or what your commentary was supposed to be. also you kinda went off topic and started making fun of the movie which is a bit silly coz it's a kids film lol
I agree except for the “it’s a kids film” because just because something is a kids movie doesn’t mean it’s not allowed to have any criticism, if it were something like peppa pig then yeah it’d be pretty silly to start harshly criticising it but the movie seems to be more of a family movie rather than a kids movie
I think some of the points were perhaps a bit unfair. Her criticising Tiana and Naveen for going to Ray's funeral, for example, her logic being that since they only met him three days ago, his death shouldn't matter to them.Yet in many other shows, characters bond over the course of only a few days, and are willing to give up important things and even risk death for each others' sakes.
Yep, I agree. I'm really trying to wrap my head around this video. To understand why chiana really had to be white and her point, just keeps going off and on topic and I just can't really understand what's going on
She's just hating
Honestly, this video just makes no sense to me because in the time period and I understand that they're trying Explain how Different race can come together in harmony. But there's still a different social class from different race. Honestly, changing tianana's race will be ridiculous. Yes, she was a frog 90% of the movie, but it's the fact that when The Times we did see how it made sense why she was black. Honestly, your point in this video just kept going on and off. And I just can't wrap my Hand around it. Or maybe it's because if they decide to make a live action princes in a frog, they might cast a white person to play tianana, and that actually would be ridiculous😂😂😂
To be fair, Disney also didn't display very much period typical sexism either in most of the films. Most we got were little comments you'd also encounter today, with the sole exception of Mulan. For example, Anna and Elsa should have been engaged already, especially since Elsa was heir to the throne, and female. Even if you made the argument that she was magic and maybe her parents didn't want to expose that by marriage, then Anna should have had a long since established fiance since around age 4.
Aurora is literally the only Princess who's somewhat accurate in this because she's engaged to Prince Philip at birth. Merida is a bit weird because they didn't establish the marriage alliance with their firstborn daughter earlier, even if they did address it. I mean, Mary Queen of Scotts was a child when she was engaged to Prince Francis.
Based on what happens to women historically, heres the "realism" part:
Cinderella would have been locked in a mental asylum for speaking to mice.
Snow White would have been sold off to another Kingdom, or disfigured, then sold.
Aurora is somewhat accurate because well, she married her fiance.
Jasmine would have been forced to marry a rich monarch, and also been apart of a harem.
Anne would have been engaged since she was young. As would Elsa.
Rapunzel would not have been able to marry a wanted criminal, although Eugine revealed to be a prince in the series might influence that, Raps would have very little say over her marriage while her parents remained alive.
Megara would have been someone's property and now allowed out of the house.
Belle's story played out somewhat realistically, actually. A Prince is of higher status.
Mulan, technically, would have been expected to marry a man and be a trophy wife to the highest bidder, a commodity.
Ariel would quickly land grating and only tolerable because of her rank and marital status.
I do think it's strange Tiana was even able to get some white men to even listen to her as far as buying goes. I think Charlotte's influence might be why. Kinda like how girly dropped a ridiculous amount of cash on Tiana's lap for finger food.
I also want to add, most movies don't truly reflect real life. That's why it's called Hollywood.
I don't know why disney thought it was a good idea to make the setting of the movie in the 1920's especially for their first ever black princess. They should have had it take place in the modern day or at least some period after black folks got their civil rights so it would feel more believable.
why's it so hard to understand that in this iteration of the princess and the frog, her race is important to the story? it's pretty simple
I'm confused on this video does anyone understand this because I don't understand her argument when the movie isn't about racism for God dam sakes it takes place in the 1920s.
Loved this video, very cool idea to analyse the changes. Unsure about the point that the white princesses have personalities that can't be enmeshed different ethnicities; I think most disney princesses are pretty basic conceptually so that more children can see themselves as that princess. The example of Snow White not working if we remade her to be a black woman I definitely agree with, but would Cinderella having implications, or flat out representation, of slavery be a bad thing? It would add a deeper meaning to the movie and could deal with race in a more nuanced way than The Princess and the Frog. Other than the poor treatment she receives from her step-family now having racist connotations, the rest of Cinderella's personality would work for a different ethnicity, I think. There's a great point for these movies not being remade and just writing original black characters, but in terms of the argument that these princesses *can't* be remade, I'm not sure I agree.
TLDR: the white princesses don't have so much white personality that they can't have their ethnicity changed
It's not really that there's a problem with having changes in the ethnic swaps, it's that there WOULD BE changes. That's all I want. I just want there to be a difference. 🥲
Black Cinderella (other than Rodger and Hammerstein's 🩷), would be verrrrrry interesting. I'm not gonna lie. 😏😅
The white princesses are defaulted but I think that's just us often overlooking the very American culture that they exhibit. I mean, all the princesses display American culture in some aspect but Snow White, Cinderella, Ariel, they are quite American to the point where they showcase exactly our trends of the time and how our teenagers acted but... in a white Christian American sort of way, you know? 🤔
At least that's my thought.
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@@claireimitatingart All Disney Princess characters have a connection to Puritan American Christianity in one way or another for that is one of the core foundations of American mythology.
@@claireimitatingart Very good points, thank you for replying!
I don't want it to sound like I'm being a hater, but I am like 9 or 10 minutes in, and I'm so confused. What were your points? I don't think the movie is trying to be a movie solely about race, while it does have racial undertones at times it's a movie about a young girl who has dreams of opening her own restaurant like her dad, and comes to realize the things that are truly important to her. It feels like you cherrypicked certain points throughout the movie and left out the context. Also for the part when you said "Didn't know her money became his money" THE WHOLE POINT OF HIM MARRYING HER, IS TO GET HER MONEY! THE MOVIE MAKES THIS CLEAR MULTIPLE TIMES! Again I really don't want to sound like I'm being a hater but it just feels like you're focusing on one little part of the story and missing the whole picture. The reason Tiana is my favorite Disney Princess is because she's grounded in a level of reality, she works hard to make her dreams come true, and when things don't go exactly her way, she picks herself up and tries again and at the end of the day she comes out on top.
Ok i get your point she doesn't have that much culture, but the men that didnt let her get the job was because of racism, for maybe for the plot? plus its nice to have a black character cuz literally most disney princesses back then were white so i think maybe thats why they did it?
I'm at 4:50, and I'm already lost. I'm sorry😭
So ig this is really just a "what if" video?...but gave off the wrong vibes. I'm not tryna hate I'm just like...but why😭 15:38 it wasn't so she could look stupid, it was for the veiwers to be something like "NOOO" and then be happy when she defeated the villain the moment she was aboutta die.
but what they still did, was make her do a mistake, she could only fix as a frog, not as a black human woman, weather intentional or not, they ended up doing that , thats the point
1 minute into the video and deciding not to watch. Not all black people have the same culture/experiances. We are talking about 1920’s New Orleans Black Americans, not 2020 New York City Americans
did you really call disney's snow white... a "real character"...?
17:40 Whaaa I always assumed they were married in New Orleans as a kid how did I not catch that T_T
Then again I also thought the Fenner brothers didn't give her the restaurant because they didn't like her costume, not because outbid/racism/sexism. Nope! Because of her costume! For some reason...
Maybe if Tiana showed up to them in the blue dress then she would have gotten her restaurant. 😢
One of the main problems of this movie was the fact that the town of New Orleans and its inhabitants had NO personality. Their only traits were “hardworking and diverse”. Many of the princesses that came before and after Tiana had some _background._
It doesn’t need to be a PSA about racism, which is what 90% of this comment section took your video as. So many princesses have their backgrounds explored. The important people that form apart of their lives, their hometowns, and even the TIME PERIOD they grew up in. But Tiana? Tiana gets swamp.
Every Disney princess has grown up in a time period where they realistically would not have the freedoms to do what they did in those films. As kids, we didn’t care about the historical context. We cared to explore the fictional worlds our favorite princesses resided in. Why didn’t we get that with Tiana?
In conclusion, I agree. We’ve been robbed. She could’ve had it all!
Had to stop at "This movie sucks" Like WTF???? This is the best Disney movie!!!!!Hardly about Tiana??? It's entirely about her and all!!!! You didn't get it at all.
she just talking to talk
yeeaaah im so glad the majority of the world isnt gon be worried about this video let alone see it 💀 too much controversy
I feel like you watched the movie with your eyes taped shut if you think that Princess Tiana did not have a culture. I do agree at the end though with your point about her not having any Black relatives besides her mom at the wedding. But that's it. Also what makes you think her Black friends are her "actual" friends and not Charlotte, when we never see her hang out with them, but we always see her hang out with Charlotte(and yes, I watched your Charlotte video, but I fail to see what makes her Black friends her "actual" friends--other than their race, that is--when we never see them interact on a meaningful level)? And lastly, Tiana looks so plain and boring as a white woman. She definitely looks much more beautiful Black. I don't see what the point of this video was or what you were trying to get across. Like, okay and? What does this prove? Also, I feel like in the future it would suit you to write down a transcript before making these videos, so as to make it easier for us viewers to listen to. Thank you, that is all.
Also the Red Summer part at the end...that is brutal, yes, but why on earth would you want them to tackle that in a Disney movie, especially one about their first Black princess? I'm sorry but just...what? Like, did you forget that these movies are for kids? Aren't we tired of Black torture porn? That was easily the weakest part of this video, and that's saying something.
Thank you, you said everything that need to be said. I don't really know what she was getting at with this video especially with that last part, like if I wanted to see a movie about hate crimes against black people why on earth would I watch a Disney princess movie 😭
@@pineapple9167 Exactly!!! You can't complain about the only Black princess not having a fantasy and having to be steeped in reality but then also be like "they should've depicted the Red Summer" like are you fr. 🙄
I understand that you feel that Tiana's story should involve more of black people's experience with racism in the 1920's, but why? Could they have better establish the racism of the time period by there being more segregation, yes, but the movie isn't even really about racism it is about Tiana and Navines journey to becoming better people and achieving their dreams. Is the movie completely accurate to the 1920's black person experience no but why are you expecting it to be when it is a 1 hour long Disney movie after all. You can't expect these people to show the massacres of black people in America in a cartoon family movie. You kept bringing up black culture and how Disney didn't showcase it very well but black culture isn't simply experiencing discrimination or microaggressions like "A women of your background", it can be feeling or being told that you have to work 2x as hard to get what you want out of life (like Tiana did in the movie and still did not succeed without help from someone else). Black Culture is not just this 1 experience it has many sectors to it like any other culture. Also if Tiana was white many aspects of this movie would be confusing, like there being voodoo (something that comes from Haitian culture), Jazz music, and soul food. Why would a movie centered around these 3 things that are very prevalent in black culture have a white main character that's just not fitting. Yes, like you said Tiana's personality, experience, and journey is not something exclusive to black women but that doesn't change the fact that it is still something that black women go through and that this movie does in fact show a good amount of black culture. You almost had some good points in this video (like why do the main black people have to be frogs for majority of it, and why are Tiana's black friends not more of a focal point than her white counterparts) but you completely blurred those points by being nitpicky and leaving out integral parts of the story and environment of the movie.
It was an awkward princess movie all around to be certain. But not because Tiana is a whitey in disguise. They tried to do too much. Plot should've been flushed out more. Way too many characters for a story that's all too simple. That's like making Princess and the Pea an epic with fifty characters. It tries to take on too much is what I'm saying.
I think that was her main point. She’s a ‘white girl in disguise’ because she has no personality. She had no identity outside of work and love interest which pretty much killed her character for me. It’s odd considering this is how Disney Princes tend to be, but I digress. This content creator’s script could’ve also been more fleshed out because she makes very good points. There _is_ a pattern in media of black characters having no connection with their background. I love that she pointed out the LACK of family members at Tiana’s own WEDDING because that highlights the issue of this pattern. We don’t really get the chance to explore the town of New Orleans, especially the predominantly black areas in that time period.
I’m not saying it has to be a PSA about racism. So many Princess movies explore the areas and time periods they grew up in. But Tiana? Tiana gets swamp. She has a whole family whose only personality traits are hardworking and diverse.
For me, what’s really awkward is Disney’s past and the fact that they were trying to hide it with this movie. Maybe it’s a white guilt thing mixed with corporate shillness. Idk. All I know is, we were robbed. Tiana could’ve had it all, man. Racism just had to exist smh.
i get icky vibes from you
i love your voice and your way of talking is very calm and comforting. the only thing the video couldve been shorter or more concise. the background could have a bit more colourful (a vibrant color) just some constructive criticism but i would love to watch more of you and what you have to say!
True tho. Does it count as representation if it doesn't change the story in any significant way
Yeah I'd say so. Representation, in my opinion is better sometimes when the character just happens to be xyz and it isn't the point of the character or the forefront of the story.
@@bigclitenergy Yeah, why does there have to be a reason WHY a character is xyz? Especially in a fantasy setting? Some people just are, and that's okay.
Tbh implying that their race would significantly change the story sounds kinda racist "oh you're XYZ skin color? Well you'll have to act like this and follow these tropes, otherwise it doesn't count"
@@sparkls4492 And it's not like a character's identity doesn't have significance in a character's story and or identity, but that depends on said presentation on the character and whether it's what makes them, them
why do we need a reason to just exist??
Her waitress dress would make her look too similar to Belle.
I'll be honest, I'm about as white as I can be, not racist, never quite understood how you decide something about somebody based on their skin tone. However, I initially looked into this video with the thought you were finally gonna comment on the fact that, people are remaking movies wrong. We shouldn't just change characters because it adds diversity. If you did the reverse to anyone else, like get The Rock, to play Blade, or George Lopez and Garland (I think thats his name the newest spiderman actor.) to play the main characters of rush hour. It doesn't work, I'm not against changing the role or going with a similar idea. But if you're gonna do a live action, don't change the characters. It's highly disrespectful to the people who wrote the story. I honestly never read the original that disney probably changed. (honestly dark brown and green do go together pretty well.) I could be in the wrong, perhaps ariel was as dark as the depths of the ocean. Heck I bet the movie is fantastic, I just, we can't rewrite old things to favor a new time. We need to write new things, build new ideas that use new characters. There are black superheroes, (actually there are alot of superheroes in different ethnicities. Kinda want a firestorm movie) And the numbers of stories and ideas are filling entire buildings with books all of which people read at different times. old books no one have read in so long. ...and I'm ranting, realistically I'm upset just because, people are now turning...and no one wants to see it, the greater number of people from this generation just want to live in peace...but as it stands, people want revenge for a crime we never committed. I'm sure you are gonna say something along the lines, "The whites have attacked us for years...and while that might be true, people from this generation just wanna live peacefully without the attack and assault. Sadly high corporations can't make money if it's peaceful. so they have to target what people are frustrated over. And to repeat myself, I'm not racist, autistic sure, easily distracted definitely, but in the same way you wouldn't fill a black role with a white character it should be just as wrong to fill a white role with a black person. I dunno, I could be wrong, but if racism is when you target another race due to their skin color...isn't white a skin color too?...anyways, I appologise if I've offended anyone, or gotten too far out of hand.
But if you actually read this past the part that says, I'm white (congrats on hearing what I have to say and not judging based on color.) TLDR there's no reason to change an old character when you can make a new one.
I hear you. My point was mainly the importance of culture to a character but that also plays into what you're saying. The identity should be intrinsic to the character. It should inform their actions.
I and many others are tired of race-swaps and gender-swaps. They are soulless. Despite Tiana not actually being a race-swap, she feels like the product of one to me. The character is unchanged and not written for any particular cultural identity (though most race and gender swaps are much worse in their handling).
But let's hope for new IPs, nevertheless!
Thanks for watching!
Of course, I'm always happy to listen to people's stories and appreciate your open mindedness to ideas.
From a white guy that only saw the movie once, and of course just thinking "Wow, what a cool movie" when I watched it... This is astonishing just how bad Disney did Tiana... It isn't even until you peel back the, rather thin, layers that you see just how yikes they did it. Really glad TH-cam recommended this video!
I disagree strongly
118 subscribers is surprising this deserves so much more
*sigh*
I’m glad you said something about the line a woman of your background.like that sentence doesn’t mean he was talking about her race, he was talking about her background as being a poor woman.
Have been waiting for this video and really enjoyed it. Only criticism is that to me you looked at the film a bit too much through a modern lens.
Regardless a lot of really good takes.
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If live-action Ariel was played by a white or Asian woman, would they _really_ have had the movie take place in the Caribbean? There's a castle in the Western Hemisphere with European architecture and everyone inside is wearing European clothing, yet it has an African queen? The whole cast looks like DEI nonsense. It doesn't look believable, it looks fake, forced, and soulless.
All the Little mermaid changed was the setting. Princess and the frog live action can take place in Europe and issue solved.
@@risaswonderland A setting that doesn't make sense. Since when are castles a Western hemisphere thing?
@@risaswonderland I don't think it could take place in Europe because of the kind of cuisine Tiana makes is specifically American.
I also think it would’ve been better to have the prince be black or have him at least be mixed like prince Navven is
If that's the case, why two popular songs are Jamaican and a crab Jamaican? Why can't Disney get Danish people to play the characters and get Danish songs? Disney don't really care about accuracy since day one.
get a life