Very biased debate. I say this as someone that is pro-immigration. Immigrants take up work for low skilled workers, because they are willing to work for very little. This is why you see xenophobia happens at the low end of the economy. You can't ignore the grievances of the people at the bottom.
The biggest lie on all continents is that migrants add value. The people who are already unemployed in South Africa can still add value they are just not given the opportunity to do so. The media continues to stop voices of concern for their own poor on their continent instead try to focus the attention only on those migrants who would get more tweets. Instead of looking elsewhere, try helping the poor African women who tried to say she needed it. The man who stood up and said South Africa is saturated with musicians cares more for his people than anyone who spoke at this panel for his concern was for his direct community that is in poverty. The others cared about their own vanity.
The host especially only cared about her own vanity? Why in the heck did she have to bring up her own husband being a musician? Is she that daft to not realize that his argument isn't against those who are musicians and already in SA but against more coming in when South Africa (quite frankly the whole continent) needs to develop other industries....? craziness
You need to change your mind and attitude towards your fellow Africans. Your former president Mandela was in Liberia when white people were treating like slaves in your country. Most of you are quick to forget.
People are ignorant of the fact that even in precolonial Africa, you could not just wander not into the tribal village of another but grazing land without risking certain death. However, in the new dispensation we have to be cognisant of global hostility towards the African and be more tolerant of one another.
I am a musician, art and poet. These are storytellers but these arts don't feed a hungry child. The gifts, and talents and skill need to be instant and imperative to Africa's survival.
This was not a debate but a poor PR exercise to promote migration and protect immigrants, any opposite view was quickly shutdown. Thats why solution to xenophobic attacks is far from being found because the locals voice and concerns are rubbished!
This debate is one sided, the "xenophobic" SAcns didn't really get the chance to show their side of the story. It is very useless and its just based nowhere
Everyone is treading here, walking on eggshells. Address how this impact on the crime stats and illegal smuggling of guns into SA and SA cars into neiboring countries
This host is so fucking weird with her delivery in these debate videos. She's clearly biased with it being clear to see in how she addresses the different guests.
Is it compulsory for South Africa to take in floods of Immigrants regardless of its will and resources ?? Even our population has jumped through with High level of Unemployment
Oh don't be funny, Kenya, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and many other parts of Africa continent are welcoming nor accepted other Africans who're suffering wars, dictatorship and so fort, just as when SA people seek for refugees during apartheid era. food for thought.
Why don't we open all South African Boarders so that everyone can come and stay in Johannesburg as they please, than let's see who will be served first at institutions like Hospitals, Home Affairs and so on let us be a country without control everyone can just come in and put up a shack any where they wish I think we will be a better country like that. Yes because that's what this debate suggests.
Exactly my point, currently in our South African schools, there are some schools who have classes that overcrowded, hospitals that lack staff, medicines and other resources how are we going to accommodate these people with such limited resources.
@@pmambongwe8640 you're ignorant because you clearly don't know the situation Somalians were in It's not like they just come to RSA they go to other countries too
"If you're not willing to take the opportunity then that is your own decision, but do not crucify other people if they want to improve their lives" BOOOOM!!!!!!!👊👊🙌
The very people who commit these violent so called xenophobic acts were not part of this debate , engage the very people from lokshini who are the ones who perpetrate those acts . The debate can improve by being balanced and get to address the root causes of xenophobia . Xenophobia isthe effects not the cause .
We need to treat our African brothers and sisters with respect. These are mothers, fathers, children who are looking for basic human rights and refuge in South Africa. As a black South African I am so deeply ashamed to hear these stories, but even more saddened to hear that they are given a cold shoulder by South Africans. We have been living with whites for such a long time, and so now we think like them and treat our own brothers and sisters like how whites treat us . . . we need to do better SA
Why should millions of illegal immigrants and refugees come into South Africa and use resources paid for by South Africans to uplift themselves without contributing anything back? You know damn well ILLEGAL immigrants don't pay taxes, so why do they get to use infrastructure we pay for and maintain?
Because if Black South Africans don't introduce new and fresh ideas coming from different parts of the continent, we'll keep being lackeys for white folks. People coming from Somalia, Nigeria, Kenya, Ethiopia, etc., have a rich history and a very vibrant culture. We need that, because our cultures are being vilified. We need new ideas from our African people on how we can imagine ourselves as a people. And the only thing illegal and foreign here are the borders that were created to separate black south africans from kinfolk.
No country needs Musicians or Artist. I say that as someone who has a Diploma in Graphic Design and a Degree in Fine Art. They're a waste of space! I dropped Art and got involved in the stock market. Today I have three multimillion dollar properties, paid for in cash, and I'm fortunate enough to have a KingAir 350.
Africa is 1 in south africa, why everyone don't go to Malawi, Zimbabwe, nigeria, we can't be firced to accept the whole africa crime is hight in sa because of these
It would be good for the facilitator to reserve their views and allow the audience to unpack the matter then everyone will judge the outcome based on facts presented because that becomes a presentation rather a debate when you take sides during the session.
You are speaking to the wrong audience. The people that commit acts of xenophobia come from the inner townships and would not show up for a meeting such as this one. I wish they were there. I had pointed questions for them.
She ran away from her brothers,uncles,nephews (man who happens to be troublemakers in any given Country) to the other brothers,uncles and nephews but again get caught in the same situation she wanted get away from. Maybe the world without men could be an ideal place for peace.
You have to give a little,take a little ,let your poor heart weep a little,thats the story of,thats the glory of love...this song comes to me now as I LOVE and let my heart break and weep a little.
But it's rare to find a Nigerian working as petrol attendant or waitress, most of them are living in much better place than South African citizens yet they are bouncers. Zimbabweans, Mozambicans and Somalis work hard and contribute to our economy, yet most Nigerians are either pastors or Bouncers. It's not a norm it's a fact, visit any township in South Africa most Nigerians are supplying drugs. It's not only in South Africa but everywhere, that's why in not easy for Nigerians to be granted visas to travel to Europe.
why do you suppose that Nigerians are so prevalent in the drug trade, and as pastors or bouncers? these are very different extremes of the job spectrum? Any evidence?
Without showing any favouratism or supporting anyone's comments or story. I can say the was only one lady who managed to handle debate in this show. otherwise, the rest are just there to also express their ideas and giving a lesson or lecture in what is so called "debate"
My heart breaks for the Somali mother, Malyuun and her children's situation 💔 I really hope she has received the help the needed. This is a strong Somali mother doing what it takes to provide for her family. I always get emotional seeing my Somali people suffering all over the world, being seen as unwanted and at the mercy of others. 30 years of war and Insecurity has destroyed the fabrics of our society. But I'd like to remind some of the (hopefully minority).xenophobic South Africans who are targeting Somalis. Remember this, history is cyclical, my parents remember a time they were anti Apartheid activist, sympathising with the plight of the natives against the racist system. Our government has also played a role in helping fund the movements to topple the system. Today, my people are the bottom, hopefully it won't remain so for long as we find our feet slowly. History shall remember, and those good heart south Africans ♥ thank you for helping my people in moment of need.
As Tanzanian, our late leader JK Nyerere give you land in Morogoro District and he starved our people because of your fate, And yet I lost my friebd because of your xenophobia .
Why not just remove the borders around south Africa altogether. Let every country in the world have borders but South Africa and let's see where that takes us!!!
SOUTH AFRICA ONLY NEED FORIEGNERS WITH CRITICAL SKILLS AND THEY DON'T COME ON THIER OWN, THE GOVERMENT INVITE THEM FOR INTERVIEW. 95% OF THESE FORIEGNERS DON'T HAVE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTRY. MUSIC IS NOT LISTED ON CRITICAL SKILLS EVEN LAWYERS ARE NOT THERE
The European is lying. When those of the land demand equality at a political level the gov’t will allow others to replace you and continue to ignore your cries. It is great to help others but help those who are already living on that land.
IKE is an educated fool""When a musician puts up a show""does he have an idea how many people get job opportunities from stadium groundsman"stage set up "computicket outlest""small business selling outside the venue"the list is endless
If the nation of Africa is divided against itself you cannot stand you must become one nation under GOD and that's what the other Nation want you to do is the fight against yourself we would never win if we are fighting against each other the nation of Africa you matters to us in America
The moderator need to do her homework. The africa was not migrants. The colonizer and slavers often brought african from other regions and the indian. The african has to stop being so forgiving and step up as guardians south Africa. They need to check the white colonizers , to divide the land and place the natural resources under the govt .
The fact the matter is that most of African face this problem but this is what happens when Africans think like Europeans you been free from colonialism but you haven't read your mind.
nonsense..waste of time..this debate was a waste...let's all learn to be honest and tell the truth as is it,not trying to please people with lies...your cheap immigrants are here blaming the westerners or whites who were born in this country...and you say nothing about ti..sies.. this one sided debate was fruitless and insult to our constitution and democracy
@@chidianyanwu8731 the drug addict & the drug dealer should be arrested, prosecuted, sentenced. The nigerian should be deported back to his country after serving his prison sentence
can a muslim woman be a genuine SA Comradess? Ask ''Zuma''. Nelson Mandela is Still Laughing from his office in Hotel Satan. good day Comrades. Dan Roley. Indianapolis. *Rwanda Private Security Forces. 2019.
Well ,this settles me not going back to the Motherland and where my Father's from ! The same issue here in the States effect/affect home! Black African American
Very biased debate. I say this as someone that is pro-immigration.
Immigrants take up work for low skilled workers, because they are willing to work for very little. This is why you see xenophobia happens at the low end of the economy. You can't ignore the grievances of the people at the bottom.
The biggest lie on all continents is that migrants add value. The people who are already unemployed in South Africa can still add value they are just not given the opportunity to do so. The media continues to stop voices of concern for their own poor on their continent instead try to focus the attention only on those migrants who would get more tweets. Instead of looking elsewhere, try helping the poor African women who tried to say she needed it. The man who stood up and said South Africa is saturated with musicians cares more for his people than anyone who spoke at this panel for his concern was for his direct community that is in poverty. The others cared about their own vanity.
Average Joe I’m really surprised that the migrant issue is so bad in other countries as well. Britain is overflowing also
The host especially only cared about her own vanity? Why in the heck did she have to bring up her own husband being a musician? Is she that daft to not realize that his argument isn't against those who are musicians and already in SA but against more coming in when South Africa (quite frankly the whole continent) needs to develop other industries....? craziness
@@junsu21 just stfu 🤫 bitchhhh. U just Afro phobic period. And try to Lear your fucking history bitch
That is facts and you said this 5 years ago. Look what they doing to this country. Building highjacked. Rape and murder
You need to change your mind and attitude towards your fellow Africans.
Your former president Mandela was in Liberia when white people were treating like slaves in your country. Most of you are quick to forget.
People are ignorant of the fact that even in precolonial Africa, you could not just wander not into the tribal village of another but grazing land without risking certain death. However, in the new dispensation we have to be cognisant of global hostility towards the African and be more tolerant of one another.
Exactly
I am a musician, art and poet. These are storytellers but these arts don't feed a hungry child. The gifts, and talents and skill need to be instant and imperative to Africa's survival.
That B.S. About migration does not mean any country should have an open door policy-!!!!
This was not a debate but a poor PR exercise to promote migration and protect immigrants, any opposite view was quickly shutdown. Thats why solution to xenophobic attacks is far from being found because the locals voice and concerns are rubbished!
Nobody cares if the hostess’s husband is a musician.
This debate is one sided, the "xenophobic" SAcns didn't really get the chance to show their side of the story. It is very useless and its just based nowhere
Thank you!🤦🏽♂️ this was very useless..
How is this a debate when it is 1 sided,This debate was fruitless,its not even a debates
good point.
True
Everyone is treading here, walking on eggshells. Address how this impact on the crime stats and illegal smuggling of guns into SA and SA cars into neiboring countries
I was part of this bias show and I withdrew from participation since south Africans views were censored
Amir Sheik's monologue at 34:30 was what the country and this great continent needs to hear. Transactional assistance for sustainable assistance.
This host is so fucking weird with her delivery in these debate videos. She's clearly biased with it being clear to see in how she addresses the different guests.
Is it compulsory for South Africa to take in floods of Immigrants regardless of its will and resources ?? Even our population has jumped through with High level of Unemployment
Oh don't be funny, Kenya, Tanzania, Ethiopia, and many other parts of Africa continent are welcoming nor accepted other Africans who're suffering wars, dictatorship and so fort, just as when SA people seek for refugees during apartheid era. food for thought.
This was not a debate.
Johane Phenyo very clever, this was a gathering against anti immigrants. I shouldn't be proud
The concepts of debates are dumb anyway
Why don't we open all South African Boarders so that everyone can come and stay in Johannesburg as they please, than let's see who will be served first at institutions like Hospitals, Home Affairs and so on let us be a country without control everyone can just come in and put up a shack any where they wish I think we will be a better country like that. Yes because that's what this debate suggests.
That Somali lady broke my heart.
This woman, so many children by her alone that we need to accomodate in our schools
what is your point so ignorant
@@khadimkane4218 SAns need that space for schooling
Exactly my point, currently in our South African schools, there are some schools who have classes that overcrowded, hospitals that lack staff, medicines and other resources how are we going to accommodate these people with such limited resources.
@@ntshumayelogcodoloza1880 then this @khadim kane says we're ignorant
@@pmambongwe8640 you're ignorant because you clearly don't know the situation Somalians were in
It's not like they just come to RSA they go to other countries too
This debate would have been richer if they'd focused on root causes. The guy at the end seemed to be the only one who really got it.
"If you're not willing to take the opportunity then that is your own decision, but do not crucify other people if they want to improve their lives" BOOOOM!!!!!!!👊👊🙌
let them improve their lives in their own countries simple as that
Mr Ike Khumalo is my future president
why cant they demand these from the're government and why must we unit in South Africa not in Ghana or Congo
This so called debate was nonsense
The very people who commit these violent so called xenophobic acts were not part of this debate , engage the very people from lokshini who are the ones who perpetrate those acts . The debate can improve by being balanced and get to address the root causes of xenophobia . Xenophobia isthe effects not the cause .
Ok if I ask Does the ministry of home affairs get any money from the United Nations regarding refugees?
Where was Oliver Tambo during the liberation struggle?
The musicians were fantastic! Please have them back!
Bad host
We need to treat our African brothers and sisters with respect. These are mothers, fathers, children who are looking for basic human rights and refuge in South Africa. As a black South African I am so deeply ashamed to hear these stories, but even more saddened to hear that they are given a cold shoulder by South Africans. We have been living with whites for such a long time, and so now we think like them and treat our own brothers and sisters like how whites treat us . . . we need to do better SA
Why should millions of illegal immigrants and refugees come into South Africa and use resources paid for by South Africans to uplift themselves without contributing anything back?
You know damn well ILLEGAL immigrants don't pay taxes, so why do they get to use infrastructure we pay for and maintain?
Because if Black South Africans don't introduce new and fresh ideas coming from different parts of the continent, we'll keep being lackeys for white folks.
People coming from Somalia, Nigeria, Kenya, Ethiopia, etc., have a rich history and a very vibrant culture. We need that, because our cultures are being vilified. We need new ideas from our African people on how we can imagine ourselves as a people.
And the only thing illegal and foreign here are the borders that were created to separate black south africans from kinfolk.
No country needs Musicians or Artist. I say that as someone who has a Diploma in Graphic Design and a Degree in Fine Art. They're a waste of space!
I dropped Art and got involved in the stock market. Today I have three multimillion dollar properties, paid for in cash, and I'm fortunate enough to have a KingAir 350.
With that being said, I am Nguni, you can challenge me if you can. Africa is one but was divided by the colonizers for their own benefits
True but you can't deny that some of your people come to south africa illegally I mean if they came here legally this debate wouldn't be happening
Africa is 1 in south africa, why everyone don't go to Malawi, Zimbabwe, nigeria, we can't be firced to accept the whole africa crime is hight in sa because of these
There's also borders in Europe, There's absolutely nothing wrong with the borders.
It would be good for the facilitator to reserve their views and allow the audience to unpack the matter then everyone will judge the outcome based on facts presented because that becomes a presentation rather a debate when you take sides during the session.
You are speaking to the wrong audience. The people that commit acts of xenophobia come from the inner townships and would not show up for a meeting such as this one. I wish they were there. I had pointed questions for them.
thank you for uploading these vidios
Do you the contact to the somali mother so we can help
All information you need is on the site
She ran away from her brothers,uncles,nephews (man who happens to be troublemakers in any given Country) to the other brothers,uncles and nephews but again get caught in the same situation she wanted get away from. Maybe the world without men could be an ideal place for peace.
You have to give a little,take a little ,let your poor heart weep a little,thats the story of,thats the glory of love...this song comes to me now as I LOVE and let my heart break and weep a little.
But it's rare to find a Nigerian working as petrol attendant or waitress, most of them are living in much better place than South African citizens yet they are bouncers. Zimbabweans, Mozambicans and Somalis work hard and contribute to our economy, yet most Nigerians are either pastors or Bouncers. It's not a norm it's a fact, visit any township in South Africa most Nigerians are supplying drugs. It's not only in South Africa but everywhere, that's why in not easy for Nigerians to be granted visas to travel to Europe.
i-m-agree-i-m-in-INDIAN-So-i-m-from-africa-but-most-nigerian-people-doing-drug-business
why do you suppose that Nigerians are so prevalent in the drug trade, and as pastors or bouncers? these are very different extremes of the job spectrum? Any evidence?
are you joking, europe has the largest nigerian population
The did bate is already started out to support migrantion.
Without showing any favouratism or supporting anyone's comments or story. I can say the was only one lady who managed to handle debate in this show. otherwise, the rest are just there to also express their ideas and giving a lesson or lecture in what is so called "debate"
big up Ike khumalo
R5000?!Yho I hope that person knows the bad luck she/he's asking for.
Khanya is not a migrant. She is a South African. Stop misleading people.
i cant stand how mandla madumisa sits there with his arms folded when confronted with the migrant family. His body language speaks volumes
and has a really expensive watch, even though he works as a civil servant...anyone else see that on his wrist?
this was not a debate
My heart breaks for the Somali mother, Malyuun and her children's situation 💔 I really hope she has received the help the needed. This is a strong Somali mother doing what it takes to provide for her family.
I always get emotional seeing my Somali people suffering all over the world, being seen as unwanted and at the mercy of others. 30 years of war and Insecurity has destroyed the fabrics of our society.
But I'd like to remind some of the (hopefully minority).xenophobic South Africans who are targeting Somalis. Remember this, history is cyclical, my parents remember a time they were anti Apartheid activist, sympathising with the plight of the natives against the racist system. Our government has also played a role in helping fund the movements to topple the system. Today, my people are the bottom, hopefully it won't remain so for long as we find our feet slowly.
History shall remember, and those good heart south Africans ♥ thank you for helping my people in moment of need.
Let Islamic states help you and not people you see as shaitan
5:06 "another class of migrants and so called critical skills" why the sarcasm?! ))
this not a debate this is ane way.they just teaching us about xenophobia
What’s a paramount chief of Africa?
As Tanzanian, our late leader JK Nyerere give you land in Morogoro District and he starved our people because of your fate, And yet I lost my friebd because of your xenophobia .
remember it was in camp not every where is there war in Tanzania no to develop your country
don't they kill people by the boarder of Tanzania /Mozambique haaaa
treat them well one day you will get them as you treat .
Ike is the best
Ike comment is e**l like his looks
Why not just remove the borders around south Africa altogether. Let every country in the world have borders but South Africa and let's see where that takes us!!!
SOUTH AFRICA ONLY NEED FORIEGNERS WITH CRITICAL SKILLS AND THEY DON'T COME ON THIER OWN, THE GOVERMENT INVITE THEM FOR INTERVIEW. 95% OF THESE FORIEGNERS DON'T HAVE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTRY. MUSIC IS NOT LISTED ON CRITICAL SKILLS EVEN LAWYERS ARE NOT THERE
The European is lying. When those of the land demand equality at a political level the gov’t will allow others to replace you and continue to ignore your cries. It is great to help others but help those who are already living on that land.
IKE is an educated fool""When a musician puts up a show""does he have an idea how many people get job opportunities from stadium groundsman"stage set up "computicket outlest""small business selling outside the venue"the list is endless
If the nation of Africa is divided against itself you cannot stand you must become one nation under GOD and that's what the other Nation want you to do is the fight against yourself we would never win if we are fighting against each other the nation of Africa you matters to us in America
The moderator need to do her homework. The africa was not migrants. The colonizer and slavers often brought african from other regions and the indian. The african has to stop being so forgiving and step up as guardians south Africa. They need to check the white colonizers , to divide the land and place the natural resources under the govt .
Beautiful hoist, love the dress
The fact the matter is that most of African face this problem but this is what happens when Africans think like Europeans you been free from colonialism but you haven't read your mind.
nonsense..waste of time..this debate was a waste...let's all learn to be honest and tell the truth as is it,not trying to please people with lies...your cheap immigrants are here blaming the westerners or whites who were born in this country...and you say nothing about ti..sies..
this one sided debate was fruitless and insult to our constitution and democracy
Lol no love for poor Ike.
Loool
The comment from him represented the majority of the youth in South Africa. On overall, they are w**ked and e**l
let me comment I just bought drugs from my so called Nigerian brother
So he helped u. Your junkie ass had to be fed.
Hope you got high
Did
He force you
South Africa
Drug addict
To buy drug
@@chidianyanwu8731 the drug addict & the drug dealer should be arrested, prosecuted, sentenced. The nigerian should be deported back to his country after serving his prison sentence
@@tshelanindawonde5666 And the one who bought the drugs???
The only person good for this show was Siki honestly speaking.
This people have to go
I honestly personally never seen a South African work in thee "created jobs" #1sided
It’s not Rhodesia it’s Zimbabwe
The bais here is unparalleled
Ike Khumalo looks like he got a poem klap 🤣
This was definitely not a debate😂
can a muslim woman be a genuine SA Comradess?
Ask ''Zuma''.
Nelson Mandela is Still Laughing from his office in Hotel Satan.
good day Comrades.
Dan Roley. Indianapolis.
*Rwanda Private Security Forces.
2019.
The sympathy bait in the beginning of the video. Yazin the media is evil for this one. Those people are vile
Rubbish debate
Too bad , be insulted. Suck it up , it true . Just like athletes, why do we need them ? You NEED good governance and strong law enforcement!
Ike is a failure in life, inzondo yakhe ibonisa lokho, hamba uyosebenza ndoda uyeke ubuthakathi, awunamahloni ukhule ungaka. Wamubi nsizwa
you are wrong each nation had its territories eg Swazi Zulu sothos pedi had their territories shut up mnguni
Tsek wena
You can say that again and again
No, this show is biased from the first minute.
Ipeleng 😂
Nigcwele ukudlala Kahle niyasinyela
Useless debate
Well ,this settles me not going back to the Motherland and where my Father's from !
The same issue here in the States effect/affect home!
Black African American
Kak show no one spraks for the people
Poes klap*
Don't waste your time watching this biased show
nonsense debate
How so?
I don't know where you are but almost all gas stations sell tickets.
Thanks, this is for us and many other.