Thanks for doing the video, sorry I had to turn of your electricity :-) About the dice role: You can buy a truck für 1 point at any time and I also heard comments saying, that the dice roll does not matter too much. I think you have to adapt to the dice roll, but it is also very easy to do your thing. And yes, many enjoy the solo play or the game with 2. With 2 players please use the campaign, as it tightens things. You share a common mission, which forces you to play the same districts and there is more of a race to secure a district first. By the way: 100% agree, that 4 hours is too long. In my latest game I played with 4 (3 newbies) in 2.5h. I think this is the time the game should last. Downtime in the planing phase because 1 player takes very long, does not feel good.
Yeah I never hold back on trucks, but new players will be wary of them. Very cool to get your thoughts and feedback on the game and review by the way! Appreciate it!' On a side note, loving the Druids expansion for Isle of Skye at the moment. 👌
Having greatly enjoyed both Mombasa and GWT, I did put this on my wish list when I was preparing for Essen, but as I researched it, I quickly realized that this isn’t Alexander’s best. I’ve heard opinions from friends who did got it and quickly sold their copy again. Not up to standards, especially not when so many great games come out every year. If you still want it, watch out for this one in the discount corners of Essen 2019, you should be able to pick it up then at a fraction of the current msrp.
Thank god someone said it. This was on my wants list and the more I've looked into it, the further it's slipped. It's so easy to get caught up in the woosh of the hype train as it flies on by. I wonder if it will get a new edition where they fix things and maybe jazz up that board a bit? (not that I'm a snob of that, I think Ethnos has a horrible board and I'll still play it).
Nerfenstein aka GirlyGamer the hype train for board games is crazy. I’m guessing it has a lot to do with Kickstarter and small print cycles - so much FOMO!
I wasn't sure what to make of it from the reviews until I got a chance to play it. Is def very good. I understand the card selection is similar to Mombasa but I never played that one.
Yeah they have similarities and I agree, the card system is engaging and fun, but there's a cap on how long I want to play it out. When it all comes down to it, you actually don't have many rounds in the game, just that each round can take a while.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I know. I started last year with Vinhos and until now Vital is a autobacke for me as well. And his corporation with EGG are great. Every single game with this Kombination (Vital+EGG) is the money worth it. Absolutely fantastic component Quality with extraordinary gameplay. I love that so much. Cannot wait for on Mars. Forgot to mention Ian o Toole. Best trio!
You're joking right? Is this 1-2 players only? 3-4 players with setup/teach or even without teaching is impossible in 90 min, setup alone is like 15 minutes - I want timelapse videos to the contrary! :-D
Excluding set up, I have never had a game go beyond 90 mins. Admittedly I play with experienced players but I don’t think the box game time advice is going to say 3 hours if 1. You include set up. 2. You have to teach and 3. You are teaching non experienced gamers. I would suggest the advertised game time reflects typical playing time with reasonably experienced players.
I haven't played Lisboa, but every time I saw it played it lasted more than 2h. Maybe the most experienced players in our group can finish it faster, but I don't think that's helpful for the general public.
Radu Stanculescu sorry Radu, I am not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying it must be a 2 hour game because that’s what you have witnessed by watching others play or because experienced players can play it faster, this should not be encouraged for the well being of the general public. I am sorry if it alarms people that the 5 or 6 games I have played in my group with a combination of 2 or 3 players is usually done and dusted in or around 90 mins. (Excluding set up which admittedly is a beast). I don’t know what the box says but I would guess without going and looking 90 to 120 mins?
I'm just saying I don't think the time spent by more experienced players is relevant to the general public. I had a group which played Battlestar Galactica with expansions in 2h. With regular players it took 3-4-6 hours. So you saying "never" but meaning "never with experienced players" isn't really accurate. That's all, nothing else implied. :)
GWT is one of my top 10 games, and I love Mombasa as well, but this one didn't make me interested at all. After seeing your review I'm going to give it a miss.
It's ok, you can't always be right! :P Honestly though, I like that I leave with a pretty good idea from your reviews, even when you don't like the game and I do. (or the other way around)
So a little counter point. GWT is one of my favourite games and I had started to write this game off based on what I was hearing. I then was invited for a play and figured “why not?” Ended up really enjoying my play. I highly suggest you get a play in if and when you can.
It's worth trying the game as with 1-2 players it's pretty decent and at least if you don't own the game you don't have to put up with the poor build quality. Just don't expect the best game ever and be prepared for a long long first play.
Player interaction is overrated. Most Euro fans don’t care for it. Euro games are puzzles to be played in a social setting. I am not sure why you always berate a lack of player interaction when it’s not the intent of the game. Otherwise, good on you for being honest about the pros and cons of this and other games. It’s about time the board game industry faced up to constructive criticism. So sick of otherwise credible content providers on TH-cam pandering to publishers and Kickstarter projects just to squeeze some coin out of them. The boardgaming industry’s biggest risk is over supply of junk games. Eventually, the vast majority of games will end up sitting on retail shelves gathering dust. Keep challenging the designers and publishers. Make sure they know that if they are going to slug the consumer for a $60 game, they better deliver quality components and most importantly game play. I am laughing at Pfister being worried about you review....he probably knows it’s a sub par game and is hoping none of the dumb consumers find out.
Interaction is the justification for having multiple players at the table. If it's just meant to be a giant puzzle, make it a solo only game. Staying on Pfister, think of Isle of Skye, more players means more interaction with the direct bidding and purchasing round, there's a tangible reason to have more players there or at least justify their inclusion. Here, literally Players 3 & 4 and even 2 to an extent are completely redundant. They could just play their own copy of the game and we'd both finish in less time then if we played the same copy. Whether it's an intention or not, it needs to be addressed - a publisher could "intend" for the components to be cheap and cheerful, but it would still get called out on for being subpar production quality.
I disagree, I think is ok to have interaction in a social setting while playing a game together, but I think this game does offer some interactions in the districts and also getting extra pts from other people completing a district. Although I agree is not a lot of it
Iker Maruri no one is saying it’s bad to have player interaction, I am just saying that the typical Euro is not dependent on such interaction. Interaction tends to be ( not always) confrontational with a take that feel. There are plenty of games that revolve around such interaction. Of course Euros do have indirect confrontation, especially with worker placement style games.
Thanks for doing the video, sorry I had to turn of your electricity :-) About the dice role: You can buy a truck für 1 point at any time and I also heard comments saying, that the dice roll does not matter too much. I think you have to adapt to the dice roll, but it is also very easy to do your thing.
And yes, many enjoy the solo play or the game with 2. With 2 players please use the campaign, as it tightens things. You share a common mission, which forces you to play the same districts and there is more of a race to secure a district first.
By the way: 100% agree, that 4 hours is too long. In my latest game I played with 4 (3 newbies) in 2.5h. I think this is the time the game should last. Downtime in the planing phase because 1 player takes very long, does not feel good.
Yeah I never hold back on trucks, but new players will be wary of them.
Very cool to get your thoughts and feedback on the game and review by the way! Appreciate it!'
On a side note, loving the Druids expansion for Isle of Skye at the moment. 👌
Having greatly enjoyed both Mombasa and GWT, I did put this on my wish list when I was preparing for Essen, but as I researched it, I quickly realized that this isn’t Alexander’s best. I’ve heard opinions from friends who did got it and quickly sold their copy again. Not up to standards, especially not when so many great games come out every year. If you still want it, watch out for this one in the discount corners of Essen 2019, you should be able to pick it up then at a fraction of the current msrp.
Thank god someone said it. This was on my wants list and the more I've looked into it, the further it's slipped. It's so easy to get caught up in the woosh of the hype train as it flies on by. I wonder if it will get a new edition where they fix things and maybe jazz up that board a bit? (not that I'm a snob of that, I think Ethnos has a horrible board and I'll still play it).
Nerfenstein aka GirlyGamer the hype train for board games is crazy. I’m guessing it has a lot to do with Kickstarter and small print cycles - so much FOMO!
It’s not the second coming, it’s not better than GWT but it’s a good game :)
I doubt it will but I know that people will still those the Alex hype train on release.
I wasn't sure what to make of it from the reviews until I got a chance to play it. Is def very good. I understand the card selection is similar to Mombasa but I never played that one.
Yeah they have similarities and I agree, the card system is engaging and fun, but there's a cap on how long I want to play it out. When it all comes down to it, you actually don't have many rounds in the game, just that each round can take a while.
Exactly when I was starting to wonder: „what, no intro?!”... :)
Thank you for this
There's one other Author who get hyped very often. Vital Lacerda!
His games are generally pretty good though! :-) Not just, here's mechanics for sake of mechanics. They integrate to their themes nicely.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I know. I started last year with Vinhos and until now Vital is a autobacke for me as well. And his corporation with EGG are great. Every single game with this Kombination (Vital+EGG) is the money worth it. Absolutely fantastic component Quality with extraordinary gameplay. I love that so much. Cannot wait for on Mars. Forgot to mention Ian o Toole. Best trio!
By the way, Lisboa never goes longer than 90 mins....
You're joking right? Is this 1-2 players only? 3-4 players with setup/teach or even without teaching is impossible in 90 min, setup alone is like 15 minutes - I want timelapse videos to the contrary! :-D
Excluding set up, I have never had a game go beyond 90 mins. Admittedly I play with experienced players but I don’t think the box game time advice is going to say 3 hours if 1. You include set up. 2. You have to teach and 3. You are teaching non experienced gamers. I would suggest the advertised game time reflects typical playing time with reasonably experienced players.
I haven't played Lisboa, but every time I saw it played it lasted more than 2h. Maybe the most experienced players in our group can finish it faster, but I don't think that's helpful for the general public.
Radu Stanculescu sorry Radu, I am not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying it must be a 2 hour game because that’s what you have witnessed by watching others play or because experienced players can play it faster, this should not be encouraged for the well being of the general public. I am sorry if it alarms people that the 5 or 6 games I have played in my group with a combination of 2 or 3 players is usually done and dusted in or around 90 mins. (Excluding set up which admittedly is a beast). I don’t know what the box says but I would guess without going and looking 90 to 120 mins?
I'm just saying I don't think the time spent by more experienced players is relevant to the general public. I had a group which played Battlestar Galactica with expansions in 2h. With regular players it took 3-4-6 hours. So you saying "never" but meaning "never with experienced players" isn't really accurate. That's all, nothing else implied. :)
GWT is one of my top 10 games, and I love Mombasa as well, but this one didn't make me interested at all. After seeing your review I'm going to give it a miss.
Weird thing is I'll play this one again fine, don't want to touch Mombasa and hate GWT! 😜
It's ok, you can't always be right! :P
Honestly though, I like that I leave with a pretty good idea from your reviews, even when you don't like the game and I do. (or the other way around)
So a little counter point. GWT is one of my favourite games and I had started to write this game off based on what I was hearing. I then was invited for a play and figured “why not?” Ended up really enjoying my play. I highly suggest you get a play in if and when you can.
It's worth trying the game as with 1-2 players it's pretty decent and at least if you don't own the game you don't have to put up with the poor build quality. Just don't expect the best game ever and be prepared for a long long first play.
I love GWT so I'll have to give this one a try
Player interaction is overrated. Most Euro fans don’t care for it. Euro games are puzzles to be played in a social setting. I am not sure why you always berate a lack of player interaction when it’s not the intent of the game. Otherwise, good on you for being honest about the pros and cons of this and other games. It’s about time the board game industry faced up to constructive criticism. So sick of otherwise credible content providers on TH-cam pandering to publishers and Kickstarter projects just to squeeze some coin out of them. The boardgaming industry’s biggest risk is over supply of junk games. Eventually, the vast majority of games will end up sitting on retail shelves gathering dust. Keep challenging the designers and publishers. Make sure they know that if they are going to slug the consumer for a $60 game, they better deliver quality components and most importantly game play. I am laughing at Pfister being worried about you review....he probably knows it’s a sub par game and is hoping none of the dumb consumers find out.
Interaction is the justification for having multiple players at the table. If it's just meant to be a giant puzzle, make it a solo only game. Staying on Pfister, think of Isle of Skye, more players means more interaction with the direct bidding and purchasing round, there's a tangible reason to have more players there or at least justify their inclusion. Here, literally Players 3 & 4 and even 2 to an extent are completely redundant. They could just play their own copy of the game and we'd both finish in less time then if we played the same copy.
Whether it's an intention or not, it needs to be addressed - a publisher could "intend" for the components to be cheap and cheerful, but it would still get called out on for being subpar production quality.
I take it you’re not a big fan of golf
Crazy golf I am! 😃
I disagree, I think is ok to have interaction in a social setting while playing a game together, but I think this game does offer some interactions in the districts and also getting extra pts from other people completing a district. Although I agree is not a lot of it
Iker Maruri no one is saying it’s bad to have player interaction, I am just saying that the typical Euro is not dependent on such interaction. Interaction tends to be ( not always) confrontational with a take that feel. There are plenty of games that revolve around such interaction. Of course Euros do have indirect confrontation, especially with worker placement style games.