Is JJ McCarthy The Distraction Of The Draft Or A Real Top 3 QB? | Pat McAfee Show
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I think part of the reason Harbaugh has hyped up JJ so much is that he’s hoping someone will trade up to take him at 4 so Harrison Jr will fall to the Chargers at 5
MHJ is a cardinal. Not two ways about that. Sucks as a patriot fan but we need JJ.
Nabers or Alt to Chargers? either guy will be great
Harbaugh loves JJ. He wouldn’t use him like that.
Nah. Everybody knows Harbaugh likes big tough tight ends that can block well and still catch the ball . Brock Bowers .
😂 harbaugh sci-op
My thing with McCarthy is that he had 10 other players on offense that got invited to the combine vs Williams who had 4 and then Maye who had only 1. I think people should pay attention to players who still had good play and elevated less talented teams around them.
If Maye, Williams, Daniels, Penix, & Nix would have played at Michigan, they would have been used the same way and it would have been for the better. J.J. already knew how to gun sling but Harbaugh taught him to control and manage games something the others don't know how to do. This is why scouts are interested. You need your flamethrower to be able to control and manage games as well as ball out. That's J.J. Michigan was all about winning the natty not stat pad. J.J. and most of the starters played just over two quarters the first 7 games. They knew when it was time to make a big play J.J. would get it done in the big games and he did. He elevated Michigan to the top. They don't win it with Cade McNamara or any of the other Michigan QB's.
Good take. Hope he does good man
@@glennpelton4887 no way. JJ was a hand off specialist. Lol. Penix throws a way better deep ball. So does Daniels. JJ was back there winging clean pocket passes out of bounds. He works hard and could get better but right now those guys are all better than him.
Recently got hired to a scouting development team for an NFL team (NDA can’t say who) consensus around is JJ is going top 10 & Penix is expected 3rd round or later.
@@joeperry2065penix beat two top 25 defenses and got his clocked cleaned by the first top ten defense he played in 2 years and McCarthy beat 7 top 25 defenses
It's so insane to me how the narrative on JJ McCarthy draft stock has changed so drastically In just 1 week.
Yeah it’s almost like Michigan hosted a pro day in the last week where scouts gms and everyone on NFL teams saw jj and talked to him in person…
Just like Will Levis last year. Levis had the rocket arm though and played on a terrible team though so I could kinda see the projection.
That's because, after the workouts, everyone realized how talented the guy really is their coaches and They see, but we don't.
If you put Drake Maye on Michigan and JJ on NC, would people still feel the same about JJ? Drake Maye with that Michigan team??
Drake Maye with Michigan would be unstoppable
@@pcrbrthey were literally unstoppable with JJ tho?
JJ was 27-1 so he was unstoppable
Drake Maye would have gone insane on that team lol. Literally almost every O linemen on the Michigan team got invited to the combine. Maye is the only top 6 ranked qb in the draft that didn’t have a single o lineman get invited to the combine. The only other person on offense at UNC that got invited was Tez Walker, but he was ineligible until October compare to McCarthy who had 10 other players on offense get invited to the combine.
@@samhaggerty3377 The problem is he didn't even throw for 3k yards and he played extra games because of the playoffs. From the Penn State game onwards he threw for an average of like 150 per game. He benefited heavily from the best Oline in college football and one of the best running offenses. You have to ask the question did he elevate his team or was he elevated by his team? I don't think per his stats he deserves to go in the 1st round much less top 10 or top 5.
NFL first round qbs are about 50/50 boom or bust. He’s probably the same. People saying they know either way are fooling themselves
More like 10/90.
It is wayyyyyyy less than 50/50
@calebhoffman6368 first round qbs historically "hit" at about a 35%, hit rate ( hit being multiple pro bowls) its less than 50/50 i agree but it's also a much higher hit rate than after first round 6% in rounds 2-3
When Jim Harbaugh Who Went to a Super Bowl. Won the national championship. Coached Andrew luck. Says he reminds me of his self. That's all you need to know.
@@garymartin1045LOL....so he'll be a great coach?
Yeah, that's absolutely NOT all I need to know.
Literally no one knows if a guy can make NFL reads and plays until he gets there. There’s no point in these convos 😂
J.J. has a High football IQ. Teams know this. Plus, he eats, drinks, and sleeps football. He's obsessed with being great.
@@glennpelton4887 oh you know him personally? Cuz that’s what they say about 90% of the QB’s taken in the first round during draft/combine season.
Unless it’s like a Joe Burrow/Andrew Luck/Kyler Murray type of thing
Tom Brady, last pick, you're right.
@glennpelton4887 How does one eat Football? Seems difficult to digest...
I understand Harbaugh hyping JJ up to other teams but the glazing is getting a little out of hand
Glazing ? How old r u bro hyping n glazing is the same thing so use it the correct word lol.
Only middle schoolers use the term "glazing"
@@DocNininiSomething tells me you talk to enough middle schoolers on the internet to know
Jj McCarthy average arm crazy he mentioned as top pick Lamar jackson won Heisman went #32 pick mention McCarthy as #2 pick this is sick
JJ McCarthy better then penix?
All I can say is JJ is big, fast, athletic has a cannon arm, and can make all of the throws at the next level. At Michigan all he did was win games, and he's as clutch, and hardworking. JJ will take your offense to the next level no doubt he's as good of a prospect as any QB in this draft. If you put Caleb, Maye, or Daniels in that offense their numbers wouldn't have been any better than McCarthy's was because they wouldn't have been asked to do as much.
Wilson was playing in a spread offense at BYU playing against a cupcake schedule. JJ’s been in a pro style offense and played some of the best defenses in college FB. How is this even a comparison? 😂
Outside of Penn state and Ohio State they played 10 other games of absolute mid during the regular season. Yes they played Bama and UW in the playoffs but that doesn't discount the rest of the regular season. The B10 defenses outside the big 3 are wildly overrated. The B10 has the most amount of teams with offenses in the bottom quadrant in all of college football. People conflate that with good defense when half the B10 offenses are hardly operational lmao
@@mccowc0wlol you 💯 were closing Michigan leading up to the bama game. Loser!!!!
Pro style is pushing it lol. He was asked to do about 20% of the other prospects
@@softjones3128 I'm not a ohio state fan but my god michigan are the most insecure fanbase in the country lmao. Congrats on winning a natty, glad the "winningest college football team" could join the 21st century, only needed a few scandals to do it
@@mccowc0wMcCarthy beat 7 top 25 defenses try again bum
If the last decade of quarterback classes are anything to go by.... we have no idea how any of these quarterbacks will perform in the NFL
Not always true. There are many elite QBs who played for mid teams in college and ended up being successful. Most notably Patrick Mahomes. Despite averaging literally 5 wins over 3 years at Texas Tech the intangibles were there and it was clear that they would translate to the NFL (at least to some degree). There aren't many QBs who would be taken 10th overall after averaging 5 wins over 3 years. The problem with prospects like JJ is they are elevated to a significant degree by their (dominating) team so assessing what is an intangible vs the product of a well oiled machine can be very difficult. I think he is a talented QB but not worthy of a 1st round pick based on all the available info. He's probably closer in talent to Zach Wilson than Mahomes lol
@@mccowc0wyep. McCarthy beat 7 top 25 defenses last year and you wanna run your mouth
@@Jrm-xs9qilol Michigan beat those teams. I think there is a dozen QBs in the nation that could have done what JJ did lol. Just goes to show how good that team was
@@calebhoffman6368 🥱 no they couldn’t of simple fact based off your hypothetical bs and with every egotistical QB that you ranking above JJ. Caleb couldn’t read defenses, the QB from Oregon played zero top ten defenses along with penix and the QB from LSU is the only guy along with McCarthy that I can accept because the SEC and big ten are more elite than the PAC 12
@@calebhoffman6368People love to talk, but when Jim Harbaugh talks I'm gonna listen, he says He's gonna be good. He'll be good. Remember Andrew Luck
Hold up there wasn’t any backpacks in 1986 lolol that’s crazy
If the Broncos trade up to 4 for JJ McCarthy after the last regime set their franchise back 3 years they are the new Cleveland Browns
Or the Giants, could see either team doing this lol
😅
I think it makes them the Kansas City Chiefs.
Stud QBs scan the field under center. Actively and dynamically. (Full vs half vs none).
Which of the young rookies do this and don’t?
I question if one hyped rookie does or can.
A lot of comparisons to Zach Wilson: HE MUST SIT AND LEARN, and develop into a great GM of the game, as was his skillset at Michigan: leaning on a run heavy gameplan and destructive defense.
Whew, first round? Idk...
Definitely is
@@Travis_leehe sure can hand the ball off.
@@luisalejandro2335 bro u clearly don’t know football
@@Travis_lee I’m a Michigan fan and love JJ for winning us the natty but he’s just not that guy at QB… he’s nowhere even near an actual first round talent and will be an NFL bust but he will probably go in the first because QB hype
@@Adambomb942 bro ur so dumb
He absolutely need to sit for a year or 2. At team like pats or commanders starting him from day 1 would be risky.
"back in 1986 there were no backpacks" lol what?
The only thing we can be almost sure of is that the guy everyone thinks is going to be the guy is not going to be the guy.
The most calm glazing sesh I’ve ever seen
(coming from an Ohio State fan) what i hate is that even if he gets picked in the 2nd or 3rd round thats still impressive Penix and Daniels are 23 and Nix is 24 when JJ is 21
Best qb in the draft
The way the media is gassing Sean Payton lol, watch him screw up and they blame the broncos
Today’s league with over 60 starting QBs being used in a single season and more games being included for sure, Now is a great time to be a QB even if you don’t start every game, because almost nobody does now.
JJ McCarthy and AJ McCarron from Alabama are almost identical. Both national champions, win/loss records the same, and stats are almost an exact match. McCarron never amounted to anything in the NFL
Yep and McCarron was a 4th round pick.
Except JJ has a canon and runs a 4.5
No way, if you can't see the talent difference between the two, then that's on you. AJ was a game management QB, and JJ was forced to be a game management QB
@@Silencedfixer *4.48
@@fullofmuscledownunde Even better
And statistically it's better to draft a quarterback in the first round then drafted in rounds 2 or 3 and then you get the first round rookie contract where you can have that fifth year option it makes a huge difference 2:42
Trading to get into the end of the first round to take a quarterback is one of the best moves you can do if you don't give up a lot 3:57
Did Zach Wilson ever play in a meaningful game? Pretty certain he didn't so right off the bat how can you compare the 2? That's the only comp I need to ask
And what about Mahomes who averaged 5 wins at Texas Tech over 3 years?
Neither did Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen
That’s my guy
This is like when Jimmy G only threw 7 passes and beat Aaron Rodgers and everyone thought Jimmy G was an actual starting qb. Harbaugh is accomplishing 2 things by hyping him - 1. He gets his guy drafted. 2. If someone reaches for him then Marvin Harrison Jr falls.
Jim Harbaugh is a great coach. He doesn't need to hype anybody.😮
As a Michigan fan and a team after a rookie qb i still think he is a second round or very late first round pick.
Harbaugh be hyping up JJ so division rival Denver will take him 😂.
I saw a Michigan game against Penn State this year where the offensive coordinator was so scared of JJ's decision making that he ran the ball 32 straight times
No, that was because Harbaugh got suspended at the last second.
@@npr0106 That had nothing to do with it, the offensive coordinator was the head coach who works exclusively with JJ and he didn't trust him. I saw JJ throw 3 interceptions in only 13 passing attempts against Bowling Green... I'm not impressed
The right tackle was getting absolutely destroyed
@@btmusicman5589 JJ threw FOUR interceptions all year in 15 games and completed over 72% of his passes, and so you cherry-pick the worst game of the season to suggest that he is a poor decision-maker? If you actually watched the UM-PSU game like you claim, you'd know that Chop Robinson was eating UM's line for breakfast and wreaking havoc on passing downs in the opening quarter. The coach knew that UM could just grind out the game against PSU and thereby avoid sacks and high-risk plays, which is exactly what happened. You can think JJ is overrated, but don't be a total troll about it.
Whoever drafts him best have a good run game.
Unironically a good fit for the Falcons but he'll be gone far before they can get him because of his crazily over inflated draft stock
JJ is good but I think he should sit a year to reach the “potential” everyone is talking about.
He def shouldn’t start week 1 but I think the most important factor for him to be able to have any success is if he’s drafted by a complete team that just needs a game manager to win. I think a lot of Brock Purdy with JJ. Even if JJ sat for the first half of the season I think he could grow a lot more than people realize
Yeah, I think Pat Mahone's sat A year.
99% of rookie QBs would benefit sitting a year.
anything with lombardi can be cut to about 90 seconds and you won't miss any content.
Dude attempted almost 200 less passes than the rest of the qbs and played more games, several games he only had to throw like 10 passes. He's the true game manager
Just bc he didn't have to do much doesn't mean he can't. He's got a good arm, good vs pressure, & great on 3rd down. He's also a year or two younger than all the other guys. He's going top 3 without a doubt
You obviously don't watch much college football
@@peteg2715no shot in hell he goes top 3 unless there’s a massive reach. He’s at most a late first to mid second round pick. Bet my nuts he falls like Levi’s and gets scooped by a good team
"Comparing his first-half passing attempts to other 2024 draft quarterbacks, McCarthy led the pack with 199 attempts, excluding screens. However, his involvement in second halves diminished due to Michigan consistently holding significant leads. In fact, in 11 of their games, Michigan had a lead of 21 points or more, leading to McCarthy not even playing in seven fourth quarters. McCarthy has attempted just four passes in the fourth quarter, completing all of them for a total of 46 yards.'
You never watched his full games and the NFL level play making he has, quick highlights don't do him justice
@peteg2715 time in position is not the same as repetition at a position. He was never the focal point of any defense he faced and how would he fare against an nfl defense that shuts off the run game and makes him throw it 30+ times?
He's going to the Vikings 💜
Let’s talk about it lmao they reward these bum ass QBs for winning in college even if the league takes a loss been doing it forever it’s a moral thing it helps motivate the kids to keep playing
He won a natty. What have you done? Bum
Let’s not forget who JJ just spent his college career being coach by.
The media has been dogging him non-stop, coaches, scouts, and GMs love him
Most meaningless stats are
1. Win/loss in college. (college awards)
2. When someone is drafted.
Soapbox. Draft value is a market perception thing. Not a true ranking of talent thing. Not a ranking of stats thing.
maxx crosby 2024 DPOY!!!
My two cents is that Caleb Williams is going to flame out just like Fields did. With Daniels, May, and McCarthy are 50/50 picks. What most people don't look at is the team that is picking 1st overall is the worst team in the league . No QB is going to take a team from dumpster fire to Superbowl, that takes talent in the other 21 positions too.
Bruh I hope jj is the best ever and proves me wrong. I don’t know what these people see. Most complete team in the ncaa.. 5 of his last 6 games under 150 yards…like wtf are we doing
Not without Conor!!
Harbaugh wants JJ to go top 5 so that way he can get MHJ to fall to him seeing as how they have no WRs anymore, chess not checkers.
Pick one maybe know now.
But there is plenty of scenarios that could happen that can swamp these expectations of “draft” value.
Much less actual NFL in season value.
Harbaugh only gains by hyping up JJ.
JJ can only lose by the hype. Other than the value of his hoping more than the value of his initial draft value.
Purdy is the reason JJ is flying up the ranks. He’s an elite game manager with athleticism… point blank period. End of discussion 2:18
What are his flaws?.. all they say is Michigan didnt throw enough. Well so that was the system, but when you watch him play the kid is a stud.
I'll never understand why QBs skyrocket in the draft after the season ends. Taking a risk on an unproven QB with a top 3 pick has never worked out
But pick a number at 199 has work.😮 Tom Brady. Also Michigan man.
No one knows who is going to be great. Every year everyone is so confident and it’s almost never the person we think it is.
First 2 games. Nobody thought McNamara was the better qb! Debate was do you bench the qb that led the team to its first b10 title since 2004? But McNamara was not playing well at all and the competition got to him mentally. JJ out played him and won the job and it was never close.
I feel like Harbaugh saying JJ is the best QB in the draft is being misunderstood… I think what he’s saying is that he’s the best QB in the sense that he’s actually a pocket quarterback which is something that not alot of these guys tend to be anymore with a good majority of them being more mobile. This is just the way I’ve interpreted it so not saying I’m right.
JJ McCarthy is just another Mac Jones
no backpacks im 89? yeah sure
Just like the past 10 years, just a product of a successful college making someone better than they really are
Tell harbaugh to trade Herbert for McCarthy with no receivers if he’s so great
No way, too small
Big 10 QBs almost never work out in the NFL.
Yea especially from
Michigan right?
Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, C.J. Stroud?
Fun Fact: The last time an Alabama Qb won a superbowl was in 1977.
As a Patriots fan, I’m praying for Drake Maye. He’s done the most with the least, Maye and Williams should be great. Daniels and Mccarthy will probably be average tbh
I'll say this as a Minnesota & Ohio State fan if the rumors are true & the Vikings do trade up in the draft to pick J.J. McCarthy I'd be willing to put the NCAA rivalry aside because at that point it's all about helping & hoping the Minnesota Vikings succeed.
All depends on the cardinals
As a Cowboys fan... I have a love hate relationship with Dak as our QB I'd love to see the Cowboys somehow grab JJ. I know it won't happen because the Cowboys never make any crazy moves in FA or the Draft. 😢
He's a high school musical QB lol
MacDonald + McCarthy make it happen John
Not gonna act like I know who, but this draft feels bust heavy
How did they ever pick, back in the day, when QBs didn't throw so much? Stat-padding QBs aren't necessarily any more legit today than they would be in, say, Terry Bradshaw's day. Not that JJ is Bradshaw by any means, but if you're solely picking on passing yardage, it's a bit crazy to me. And if you're going to hit Michigan for coaching up players, where did they start at? Michigan's recruiting is elite, but not necessarily as elite as USC or LSU, and not in the same positions on the football field. Yes, Michigan won with JJ (and rightfully got people invites to the combine), so if you're going to ding JJ for being on a good team (potential draft picks), you also ought to be able to give him credit for that (win/loss).
Certainly JJ has all the minimal skills and physical traits to be in the NFL, but his most important asset is that he was Jim Harbaugh's pupil for three years. Only Lincoln Riley can rival Harbaugh's track record of developing a sizeable number of relatively successful NFL QBs.
I know the red flags here but when you look at this class I think he’s the one guy you take if you had one drive to win the game.
Might be the next Brock Purdy, put him in the right situation and he’ll shine
I’ve watched a lot of tape. He reminds me of Bress. He’ll be the best QB in the draft when it’s all set and done.
In what universe is JJ McCarthy actually being considered a top pick??? What exactly has he done that puts him ahead of Penix, Caleb, Daniel? Dukes former qb Riley Leonard who transferred to ND, is miles ahead of JJ. He is literally a last round pick or second to last round pick at best.
Pretty sure he did better then penix and won a natty and also beat bama
Went undefeated he doesn't paint his nails or wear pink lipstick so puts him miles ahead of the lgbtqb
As long as he dont go to the vikings or the broncos or the giants
@@leonitis0961 Michigan was a better team then Washington that’s why they won. It had nothing to do with JJ. That’s why they just run the ball all the time. I have no clue what you are referring to when you say paint your nails and lgbtqb, please keep what you do in your private life to yourself. With your logic I’m sure you would choose Tebow as your qb over Brady or burrow. 🤡
Whether he or any QB for that matter is a bust or not depends on the team they go to. No QB out of college is skilled enough to be a top 10 QB, they have to be developed and learn to get to that point. If theyre on a team that doesnt help them achieve that, then no matter how good they are in college, theyll never be able to live up to the hype.
JJ doesn’t impress me just like when people starting talking about mac jones couple years ago Jj hands offs are killer LMFAOOO
Honestly crazy how JJ can win a national championship going undrafted and beating another undrafted team and yet still not even crack top 3 in the draft. Wild
JJ McCarthy=Zach Wilson 2.0
Genuinely can be anyone other than Caleb😂
U sound dumb
Look another internet gm thinking they know football
Yea… Brady was the next Zach Wilson too….
If that’s true, do NOT introduce JJ to your mom’s friends
Im just here for all the haters who told me the Cardinals didnt want to trade down and nobody wanted to trade up despite me pitching that from the get lmao
y'all lost me at lombardi
Besides the obvious Michigan connection there's gotta be that fear out there.......remember Tommy at 199? He was a great college QB but somehow he got missed. A bunch of dud QBS got drafter before him. Teams/owners/GMS/coaches/fans/everyone years after must have been scratching their heads saying how did this happen? How did we not draft this guy? How?! If you reach for a guy at QB no one is gonna freak out especially if you are right. Quarterbacks cost premium $ so why not take a flyer on a guy when he's cheaper in his developmental stages. I like all the top 6 guys. Gonna b a fun season. It already is 😊
It comes down to two things. Intangibles and did this guy elevate his team or was he elevated by his team and to what degree.
He is 21, so he will be only 25/26 by the time he is off his rookie contract. He has done only winning in his entire FOOTBALL career. This is a high upside, MEDIUM risk situation. So definitely not first overall, but definitely worth a good pick.
Regular Joe rises every year now… it’s getting comical.
Every year?? McCarthy isn’t a regular Joe. Levis wasn’t either.
Spencer rattler, Penix, Bo Nix > McCarthy
Bro threw in rattler and thought we wouldn't notice
@@mccowc0w rattler>mccarthy. Mccarthy got carried by that team
That pic with the rose in his teeth is the girliest thing I’ve ever seen.
JJ is fine talent wise and might have a splid career but someone is going to overthink again like the 49ers did with the trey lance move and give up way too much for a guy who isnt THE guy
Ive seen JJ make an NFL throw every time ive watched Michigan, but my worry (and its a BIG worry) is that Vikes might fall in love with that ability without the knowledge of can he run an offense led by HIM and do it effectively throwing 30+ times per game.
Easy to fall in love with beautiful throws in small samples under perfect situations. Idk my gut says I hope the Vikings arent the ones that land JJ
I think JJ is the best QB in the draft. He's a natural thrower. He throws on time off time from any position. Caleb melted down against good comp, maye is not a natural thrower and gets streaky, Daniels just can't generate power unless he's set or gains 20 lbs.
He’s not the one asking for the noise. Haters going to hate. Comment section full of experts that were bench warmers in high school
Michael Penix Jr > JJ McCarthy
Everyone talks about the draft like they know stuff as a fact. It’s hilarious. Caleb Williams may suck. JJ Mcarthy may win and MVP. No one knows
Im sick of the hype about Sooky Williams. The guy isnt interested in anything but money
Josh Rosen 2.0
JJ will have the best career out of all the QBs drafted this year
McCarthy is Johnny Football without the booze and womanizing.
Oh, and nice wig Lombardi. I can barely tell it's not real hair.
Can't say I watched a ton of michigan football, but in the national championship game he just looked like he was completely overwhelmed most of the game and kinda got carried by his run game and defense.
McCarthy did not look good against Bama defense
New England was already set on picking Daniels or Maye , they can hype up JJ from heave to earth ….
Nah he going to end up being like Mac Jones or Zach Wilson 😂
Yep cuz ur a scout or gm
At least Mac threw the ball in Alabama. JJ’s whole job was to hand the ball off.
Mac is going to make a comeback! Roll Tide!
I see very very few people that actually believe he is good enough for a top 10 even top 15 pick in the comments and for that reason alone I think he’s gonna be successful. If there’s one thing I’ve learned over the years it’s that the majority that has something to say in the TH-cam comments about a prospect are always wrong. Which is why they’re in TH-cam comments not on NFL staffs.
Right because NFL staffs on all 32 teams are just absolute geniuses at talent evaluation and definitely don't routinely make poor drafting decisions. Surely
@@mccowc0w better than you that’s for damn sure
Teams also overthink it and avoid the obvious stud right in front of them all the time like Lamar though. Scouts get it wrong a heck of a lot more often than they get it right
@@thewillofd4417 Given how many teams are in perpetual poverty I really doubt that. I mean really, after what the Broncos did...
@@mccowc0w so you genuinely think you could step into any of the GM spots in the NFL or head coaching spots and draft better than any of them?
No
Cardinals fixing to draft a bust lmao