QB Guru John Beck: Red Flags about Michigan QB JJ McCarthy are Overblown | The Rich Eisen Show
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- 3DQB coach/QB guru John Beck tells Rich Eisen discuss why the red flags about Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy are overblown.
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If JJ has 1 flaw, it's that he'll occassionally go full Justin Fields & force 10/10 difficulty throws (and often succeed anyway - at the college level anyway) when a layup is available. That said, in 5 years when we re-evaluate this QB class, I bet he's top 3...and I wouldn't be surprised if he's #1.
And no, I'm not a Michigan fan.
Yes, that and he too often scrambles around trying to make something happen rather than throw the ball away. I think they can coach these things out of him at the next level.
He has the second fastest combine throw ever, that’s why he can do that, I’m sure in nfl he gets a couple picks but like a farve a big arm gets you lots of big plays.
He believes he can complete those throws. The epitome of confidence, which he lacks none of.
JJ is going to a place where the HC was a QB, the QB coach has been on a ton of teams for a long time, and has a veteran QB that’s been in the league awhile and was recently in the Kyle Shanahan system. I’m hoping JJ will be great with all the people around him in Minnesota leading him in the right direction.
@@timlamb1156I think JJ has the same moxie as Farve had. Their personalities are very similar in how the play the game.
Rich? Alabama game? When ask to do something on a run oriented game plan; he delivered several times! And I’m a State fan! Glad he’s going to lead my Viking team!
Same. He'll get plenty of time there to work with McCown and KOC, and Darnold is a perfect mentor. He has been through the opposite development arc - thrown in too early as a 20 year old on a terrible roster.
Seems like the Vikings with 2 Studs Wr's would be a great fit.
He performed look when you play at these monster programs like Michigan alabama ohio state Georgia notre dame you have alot more pressure than other teams just ask kyle mcord
Finally someone understands it. McCarthy was under tremendous pressure to win at UM. Maye was under no pressure to win at UNC. None. And still he lost all 4 of his final games in 2022 and 5 of his final 7 games in 2023. McCarthy won both games against OSU while Maye lost both games against instate rival NC State. Maye inherited an 8-5 team and went 17-9 with it. In the business world that's called no value added. Meanwhile McCarthy went 27-1 and his only loss was in the national semi final game.
College record doesn't mean much... Mahomes went 13-19 at Texas Tech. Josh Allen went 16-8 at Wyoming. Tebow went 48-7 in Florida and Vince Young was 30-2 in Texas... You can argue Tebow and Young were under much more "pressure" but think the pro careers speak for themselves.
@@joshuawelch876 fair point
JJ is a lock in the top 10. Highly likely top 5. Would not be surprised if he is in the top 3. Regardless, IMO, he has a chance to be the top QB in this draft... if he has the right situation.
Crazy that media "experts" say definitively that Maye is a better passer, even though JJ completed 240 passes last year and Maye somehow was "astronomically higher" 269. JJ had a higher passer efficiency rating, higher completion rate, higher yards per attempt and lower int/game. JJ threw the third fasest ball ever at the combine, 61 MPH, even though mwdia experts have told us his arm was a question mark. He ran a 4.58 40. He won at least 6 games that were biggest than Maye even played in. JJ is also younger than Maye.
I think he can be the next Brady. Hes gona take everybody by surprise even though he's clearly the best QB in this draft. I sure wish he could go to the Lions with Hutch, would be nice. Hail To The Victors! Go Blue!!!
He’ll be a bust.
@@jimmy5634 A well reasoned and highly thought out response. An opinion, without any data, is just an opinion - worthless.
As a Patriots fan, who's been following JJ for a while, I do hope we draft him
Agreed! The JJ slander is something I don’t understand
I'm going with what harbaugh says
You have if you traded #3 for #11
Save this post and look back and smile and be happy knowing you didn’t draft him.
Falcons fan here. I would actually love for the Falcons to pick JJ McCarthy at #8 if he’s there. He wouldn’t have to start and can learn from Kirk Cousins for a couple years (like the Green Bay model). It’s a way of extending a Cousins level QB beyond 2 years by transferring that knowledge and how to prepare.
Everyone wants the Falcons to pick Dallas Turner but honestly I don’t know if he’s going to be a dominant edge player. If there was a Bosa or Hutchinson there then take him. But I think they have an opportunity to set up the QB position for a decade.
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@cl9279 Yep lol.
Would be unfortunate if Vikings got JJ and Turner.
I'll give myself a shout out. Got the strategy right, just didn't know which QB they liked. I'm fine with Penix. Stronger arm, more accurate on deep routes. He's a little older for the GB model, but honestly that only matters at the back end of his career and honestly as a team you should be drafting a new QB every few years anyway.
The true value is in learning behind a guy who knows what he's doing. That's why a lot of rookies fail is there's no continuity in front of them. Green Bay back in the 90's had Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck behind Brett Favre long before Aaron Rodgers, and those guys went on to star in the league.
He'll be the most successful NFL QB of this class. Ideally, it'd be best (because of his age) if he went somewhere he could sit behind a solid vet for a couple of year; unless he goes to the vikings (looking likely). I mean, the 3rd string QB was putting up 400+ yd multi td games with them last year. He'd be great (with some normal growing pains) from day 1 if he goes there. Just sucks im also a lions fan, and they're in the same division.
I'm a Vikings fan and we got him. We are so happy we got him. I love what the Lions have done to improve the team. I'm the kind of fan that wants good competition. I didn't want to see Aaron Rodgers leave even. Hoping the whole division is better and may the best team win. Iron sharpens Iron as they say.
@@StevenAakre as much as it hurts to say, barring a devastating injury or a trade, JJ will bring the viqueens (sorry couldnt help myself) a SB or 2.
JJ has such a higher ceiling than “Heisman” trophy winner Bryce Young.
I feel so sorry for Sanristal going to Washington.
This feels like a paid ad...
Do you know what confirmation bias is? It’s when you only listen to information that supports a belief you already have and only question information that doesn’t support it.
Koc &coaches will mature jj into a top 10 qb in 2 years ..this 21 year old kid has a high cieling...that said,Sam Darnold will EXCEL with all the talent around him..NFC North will be a power house division.
Gaslighting at it’s finest 😂
I don't know. Listing to people bash Bo Nix is right up there 🤣
@@originalnorseman462 I would take Old man Bo before JJ
@@imaniroyal He might be our guy if we cant get Maye. With Penix the whole line and WR have to get use to a lefty. Word is KOC likes Bo.
“JJ didn’t have a lot of yards” he didn’t play in the 4th quarter at all in the first 8 games, got hurt against Penn State, could barely walk the next week and still gritted it out, beat OSU again with insane throws into tiny windows, the td to Roman Wilson he said he saw the safety’s tendency on film to turn his head so he knew he had the throw open shows he’s cerebral in film watching. He wasn’t healthy until the Bama game where Michigan continued to keep Bama in a game that should’ve been a blowout, two muffed punts, a big td run given up by the defense, JJ one handing an errant throw from Donovan Edwards, and casually launching it 35 yards downfield off his back foot with Dallas Turner in his lap, then proceeded to lead a game tying drive with a critical 4th and 2 pass from his own 27 yard line. His biggest flaw is throwing every pass like it needs to be 100mph when some passes could use some touch, which can easily be fixed with a competent qb coach, and holding the ball too long and not taking throwaways which can also be easily fixed. JJ will be the top qb in this draft mark my words.
And batted down passes is a big downer for him! He had a lot of passes batted down or tipped at the line!!!! He needed one more season in college to become that guy!!!!!
@@greenie43 "A lot" and yet still had the highest completion rating. He will probably get at least a season to develop with the Vikes.
@@greenie43 led the nation in completion percentage so it obviously wasn’t a lot
@@jamescooper3324 he had 3 or 4 in national championship and 4 to 5 in rose bowl! 9 passes In 2 games is a lot and I haven't even started in regular season yet!! Yes he has a problem but it's nothing he can't work on!! For me I would've rather it been in college than trying to overcome it in the NFL, college is a lot more forgiving than the NFL when it comes to mistakes!!
I still cant believe the doubt around JJ... I'll admit the sample size is small in game time, but almost every single time they needed a play on a big down he delivered... And he went up against possibly the best defense ever every single day in practice... Not saying he is the best qb in the draft, but the negative hype is ridiculous lol
This guy loved trey lance.
Dang that is funny!
I honestly don't have anything to hang this on. But I have this feeling he's going to be a REALLY GOOD NFL QB.
It's not because the Vikings drafted him and they're my team.
As a Viking fan you are tuned to think and feel the opposite.
But the only 2 QBs in the draft I have any confidence in are McCarthy and Penix.
I've seen more Penix stuff than McCarthy.
I don't know how he'll do. Nor does anyone else and all the kid can do is go out and do his best.
A lot more higher profile and more highly touted, sure thing draft picks have screwed the pooch and not come close to the hype in the NFL.
Vince Young, Sam Darnold, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Tim Couch, Jeff George.
Honestly feel bad for Penix, Maye, and Daniel’s… Caleb Williams has a decent situation but skeptical… and Bo Nix is either gonna thrive or be the worst thing Sean Payton has done for the Broncos
The guy has shown he steps up when he is needed. He can be a gunslinger if that’s what’s needed. Be that said I think Michigan hurt him by not passing in the 2nd half of Penn St. game. He was not the same confident player he was before. Up til then I thought he was the leading Heisman candidate. But he came back to himself during the playoffs. I’ve noticed he is a really good QB with his back turned on play action, he totally reminds me of Brady then. Also he doesn’t get enough credit for his arm strength he can really sling it on deep throws over the middle.
I think you may be using the term "QB Guru" a little loosely.
John Beck infomercial
Same dude that was hyping up Bryce Young last year
...and Bryce Young went to a Panthers team that was....struggling, to put it nicely. Absolutely no comparison to the situation that McCarthy landed in with the Vikings. Every other QB in this year's draft would have chosen to go to Minnesota instead of where they wound up (maybe even over any other team in the league, with a couple exceptions), without hesitation, if they could. I bet that if Bryce Young had landed in a similar situation to what McCarthy did, he would have been far more successful as a result. I don't mean any disrespect towards Carolina, or their fans, but come on. Anyone who's being completely honest with themselves can admit that being drafted by that Panthers team clearly hindered Young's success.
JJ McCarty might be great for a WR like Tyree Hill. Someone fast who can get collage separation in open spaces. He has a rocket arm for getting the ball there quick. Its Jake Maye foe someone like Justin Jefferson who relies on his body control and going up and attacking the ball. McCarthy throws it to hard and has no arc on the ball. There not a good match. Stuff like that only gets scouted by the teams.
0:50 Guess he didn't want to name drop 😆😄
JJ 5th qb drafted. But he’s still the guy I would take. The people who know what to look for know it’s obvious.
4:00 One game huh?
I thought Michigan looked awful against Alabama. I thought both teams looked awful. I did not think, "wow this qb's are fantastic." I found them pretty damn average.
Nah, Michigans special teams looked awful. That’s about it. Bamas center couldn’t snap the ball correctly because he had Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham in face every play.
Rich, I love ya buddy. But… this whole argument about him, not complaining about having to hand the ball off a lot…
That is quite literally the easiest day at the office for any QB ever. Why in the world would he hate that. Cruising to a win by doing nothing? Who wouldn’t want that???!
man the JJ Worship from the media is getting insane
Well, he's probably the best qb prospect after Caleb...
@@tengilleJJ actually has film and pedigree
Y'all wouldn't doing him if he went to Oregon.
You dont like him because he beat your favorite team
@@tengilleRichardson played very well before getting hurt
JJ is THE clutch QB of the 2024 draft
GO BLUE
JJ goes to mich where to get in you have to have a grade point of 3.2 which means your smart ,he's got 3 straight high school state championships plus he transfered to IMG academy and won the state championship in Florida ,has 4.4 speed in the 40 yard dash, leader of his team in playing ,also Michigan has been playing a pro offense under Harbaugh a Michigan man,ps first quarterback to win 1000 games with his teammates in NCAA history ,come on !! Remember he started the team going my saying "BET" meaning I dare ya to bet against us ,I'm coming back next year and win it all, that's some big kuhonias hanging there!!
Know way in hell im drafting a weak arm qb like Jayden or JJ in the first round
Kid throws 61 mph… that’s not weak man
@@ryanoswald1333 I'm sure any nfl qb can muscle up a fastball with no target. Watch the games he played. It's weak
@ryanoswald1333 btw that being said, I'd take him over Maye and Daniels. Behind williams and Penix
JJ’s arm is far from being weak. Dudes got the 2nd strongest arm in the combine and the 3rd strongest ever recorded in the combine.
When people dance around clear and concise questions it is worse than a negative answer. Be honest. Answer the questions.
I wish my Steelers were in the market for a QB because I think it would be worth it to trade the current rd.1 pick and the next couple rd. 1's to trade up for this kid.
I don't know Fields very well, and I hope he has the same kind of attitude this kid has, because that is a football team leader!
Too much me me me...money money money...fame fame fame...true leading is caring more about the players around you than yourself. That's what wins championships. I hope Fields has that...otherwise, yeah...I'd sell the farm for this kid, no doubt!
Now the Vikes have him. It really does feel like a Brady 2.0. This kid is about winning and not about me me me.
QB Guru don't exist.
Michigan still wins every game if you swap QBs
Not if it's Penix. he couldn't handle that Michigan pressure. Alabama was coming for J.J. just like Michigan was on Penix. J.J. balled out and Penix didn't.
These clowns have no idea what they're talking about. Only 1 maybe 2 of the QBs in this draft will 🥘 pan out. Rest will be backups
thanks for your expert analysis robert
Like 50%+ of first round QB's pan out. The whole "1 in 5" or "1 in 10" is nonsense.
You don’t know that, I bet 4 starters and a couple of backups, if your right the leauge would have teams without qb lol
OSu os softttt AF and so are all their fans 😂😂😂
So what you're saying is hes the best practice player ever. "Board don't hit back."
You must have missed the part about beating Alabama by throwing the ball in that comeback win. It’s ok. A lot of people conveniently forget that.
His 3rd down play from psu through the title is excellent, I had a stat that like 80 percent of the time on 3 and 3 or more, like 30 reps he garnered 27 first downs
J.J. is 27-1 in games that hit back.
Rich is obsessed with defending McMuffin.
If someone is truly good, you don’t have to do that. He’s had at least three shows getting people to promote this kid.
C.J. Stroud got drafted, started and lit up the league. He didn’t need any apologists.
JJ commanded the handoff and trailed some running plays in case there was a fumble. He would be the anti Brock Purdy. Purdy was Iowa State's offense for 4 years. Playing from behind a lot with an average supporting cast. The NFL does suck at evaluating QBs, that's for sure.
What! The run game and O-line were not as good last year. 169 yards per game. 4 individual 100-yard games by Corum (3) and Edwards (1). Most of Corum's 27 TDS were from inside the 5-yard line. They were not running up and down the field all year. When they added extra blockers on the line (PSU) is when it opened up for Michigan.
Maybe let’s not quote Brett Favre 😂
At 7:55, John Beck gave Brock Purdy the 2023 MVP award that was won by Lamar Jackson. Note: Jackson was the only All-Pro from the Raven's offense. Purdy looked at five All-Pros in the offensive huddle, he wasn't one himself.
Stop it Rich. We all know why you'd love to see JJ go as the 3rd QB to your arch rivals
He wants JJ to go his in state Rival the Giants..
JJ isn't the reason Michigan was winning. It was the rest of the team. Classic case of great team so the QB must be great too. Nope. Sometimes you get a Phil Simms. The best game manager in NFL history. Only 1 season where he reached 4000 yards passing. Only 4 seasons where he surpassed 20 TD passes. Yet he gets boosted for being on a team that happened to win a super bowls.
So why all his highlights on nfl network are under or overthrown? He gives me Zach wilson vibes.
Look at his stats from last year. Look at his record as a starter. He's the best QB to come out of college in a while, even better than Andrew Luck, and I'm from Indiana. JJs the real deal!
@@sarahrobinson-op4oobetter than Andrew luck? Wtf you smoking 💀
McCarthy will be the next Trubisky/Daniel Jones
I heard nothing about skill and ability. Just narratives of character.
You must have selective hearing then.
I am just happy the Broncos did not draft him
main problem is his baby hands
Yeah nine-inch hands have derailed the career of Joe Burrow almost as much as the 10 inch hands have helped Desmond Ridder...
Eisen is such a homer.
Who cares? That’s his Alma and the draft is tomorrow. Not to mention they just won the natty.
Absolutely shocking that rich would have a segment that included No actual football, intelligent conversation, no actual x's and O's. Just maintaining casual story lines and narratives. Rich, if you were trying to help JJ McCarthy this segment is only going to do the opposite. Be better
Lmao, who are you again?
This guy is bitter! Jj was 26 and 2 in high school and 27 and 1 in college and a national champion and not to mention a national champion and state champion in high school!!Dont hate!!
This cat threw for 250+ in what 3 games, 1 vs MSU...... Common man. Stats don't lie, rings sure do(Elianning, Joe Flacco). He's an over hyped player on a #1 rushing/defense team.... Wasn't needed and when needed will fail. Joe Flacco or Eli Manning at best.
Too myopic to see the flaw in your own logic. Wasn’t needed? When is a QB needed more than on 3rd and long? When it’s an obvious passing down and you have to convert otherwise the other team gets the ball back is when a QB is needed the most. You said stats don’t lie. On 3rd and 4 or more to go, JJ was:
48/67 71.6 % 662 yds 6 tDs and 33 first downs.
Only 9 of his completions weren’t a TD or a first down . He is actually a big reason they were able to make it as far as they did because of his consistent ability to keep the chains moving on 3rd down. Your own logic just worked against you but you’ll come up with a way to discredit that because you just don’t like JJ.
Edit: was also 7/8 87.5% for 82 yards 1TD and 7 first downs on 4th down 😂.
Nearly every single time they needed a drive to stay alive, he’d convert. Wasn’t needed? 😂
Thank you for drafting this worthless comment for all of us to read. Much obliged.
Worthless? Do you have factual information to the contrary that you can provide or is this a typical response from someone who has no idea what they’re talking about and can’t bring something of intellect to the table?
That you focused on yardage demonstrates that you really do not know much about football. Stats don't lie? By your estimation Joe Montana never should have played a down in the NFL. But regarding those stats -- Michigan pretty much dominated the first 10 games of the season, meaning that JJ almost never played in the fourth quarter. And still, he passed for about 3,000 yards.
Stats lie all the time when it comes to the NFL draft, what are you talking about lol?
Beck was a garbage QB, has no business evaulating other QBs.
Yet he’s hugely successful working with qbs. Some of best teachers weren’t the best players