YOU ARE USING GUIDELINES WRONG
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forget what I said
I have never seen best buy sponsor a vid before
@@pigeonanimations6118 me neither. its surprising to me
Bro does post 6 vids a year💀
Best buy employee here: We sponsor TH-camrs??
a tip i think is also extremely useful is to study how fashion designers sketch figures. Fashion designers have some of the most fluid and expressive figure drawings because of the way they construct the figure.
I so agree, I came upon one by accident and it literally blew my mind
@@Insanebehaviordude please share the link that blew your mind that you stumbled on
Tattoo artist I think are also one of the best
@@Insanebehaviordude Share link
yoooo madoka fan?
I definitely need to get comfortable with taking my time with sketches and building things up. I notice that the works I am most happy with are pieces where I unintentionally follow this process and I by chance didn’t get the urge to go from the early sketches to fine detail. I will often make a sketch and just straight up go to final like art and rendering on the first or second layer and of course I end up giving up because something is off. Either that or I’m spending time cleaning everything up.
I massively agree
This video is awesome! It made me rethink some of my drawing habits. I'm going to share it with a friend! We were talking about guidelines the other day and I think she will understand a lot of what I said better when she watches this. Thank you for sharing!
Thank god I just naturally used my guidelines as intended when i got more experience 😂🙏
OOOOH WAIT A MINUTE YOU WERE IN THAT ONE SKYNIX VIDEO
love how he says water bottle
"Don't skip stages of your art"
Me who makes 20 layers of sketches before finally being happy enough for lineart.
thats why i dont even do lineart 👲
i make new layers after drawing a single line
cause same and then I easily do over 20 layers for lineart
that's fine just merge your layers
that’s why my sketch IS my lineart now like 😭
The Vageta jumpscare is wild 💀
Dude. Don't ever feel like you don't have an idea for a video because "its already been done before." The way you explain things is unique to you and the people who sub, sub because you're the first person to explain it in a way that we can relate and understand. Thank you so much for starting a TH-cam channel bro.
Yup agreed especially if it's on this level of quality
And tbh especially on this quality
I had even lower abilities on animatics yet chose to upload something regardless
But yeah his stuff and the way he goes about explaining stuff is literally so clean and concise
i immediately tried out the steps from the tutorial after watching it and it worked so well that its actually comedic
i love when that happens it’s such a weird feeling
looool it's Hilarious Clinton when I apply some tips I learnt from a TH-cam video and they work. I'm like LOLing so hard right now. HHahahqhqhhahqhq
Right?!
Are y'all being sarcastic?
@@BVK. no seriously 90% of the time we do the tips wrong, it comes out bad, or it doesn't work at all
trust me this happens alot for me for some reason
I do think most of the misconceptions of guidelines come from watching professionals draw and trying to copy them. As you get better at art, you don't need as many guidelines, before I used to do all the steps and now I skip the first step and go straight to the general shapes as I have practiced enough to pose and proportion them from the get go without a guideline, but a beginner would need to practice this. Also, while I do guidelines for my normal drawings, I practice drawing ink's with no guidelines or sketches because it builds a understanding of proportions and details faster than doing guidelines for every time you practice. So I would advise if you want to get to a pro level, draw guidelines for your normal drawings but practice doing less to no guidelines as that practice will help you draw guidelines quicker and better and you will eventually get to a pro level.
The best thing I did to my art is practice putting as little effort as possible into it. I don't mean work but stamina. Holding the pen very light so you don't get tired and sketch as clean as possible giving more thought to each line. Nowadays I only need a few silhouette strokes or no sketch at all before doing final lineart. I used to take hours to draw a single character. Now I take about 5~15 minutes to get detailed clean linework after practicing it for a year. Drawing gets a lot more fun when you can do it effortlessly.
I think you hit it on the head, learning from observing someone at a different skill level to a beginner
Thanks! I am a legally blind artist, and this helped fix things I was missing. Do you have a tutorial on eye placement? I have trouble doing eyes at other angles because my guides are set up wrong.
As someone who never knew how to do eyes, do with this what you want.
The eyes go just above halfway down the face. I like to start with the top lid and work my way down the eye shape before doing the pupils and lashes. For angles you can start with perpendicular since the bottom part being angled shows a lot more than the top. Once you’ve drawn the eye, angle the top lids down at the sides. Also the pupil I like to draw sometimes because it’s easy to show the angle something is at with a circle. So hopefully that helps!
omfh thank you for clarifying people drawing guidelines and NOT using them, i see so many artists drawing them so it looks like they know what their doing but not even using them. 😭
i do that💀
I will probably still ignore guidelines xd
I used to be against guidelines back then, but now man they really do help a lot with making my anatomy looks less weird and janky. I still suck at planning cohesively, but please listen to this guy, guidelines are IMPORTANT
Thank you for the video, it's really insightful
Im still not drawing with guidelines, I haven't drawn with them for 12 years I tried once and it looked like stephen hawking without the wheelchair.
@@JotaroKujo-ip5wb same
@@JotaroKujo-ip5wb Well, if that's working fine for you, then it's fine! People have different ways of drawing after all. In my experiece tho, it really helps
@@JotaroKujo-ip5wb same
Mannn I learnt the hard way I used to dislike them now I need to learn how to use them
23:49 actually caught me so off guard i zoned out for a couple of minutes
This the first Yuoutuber I've EVER seen get sponsored by Best Buy. It caught me so off guard. I was expecting skillshare lol.
Hey SNA, Idk if you noticed, but your zipcode is in the BestBuy sponsorship section!
OKAY JEEZ YOU DONT HAVE TO YELL AT ME!
without somenormalartist's tutorials, i don't believe i would ever be where i am today.
having the foundation that he set for me at the very beginning is what made my art what is it today
thank you
AYO 23:50 SECRET VIDEO THUMBNAIL REVEAL 😳😳😳😥😥😥😩😩
This video got me thinking: I hate learning and studying is boring, but art is fun but painful to practice. If I HAD to practice, like practicing for a test or some homework, and assignments that would be put to grading, then I would do it more.
Hey SomeNormalArtist! I don't know if you'll see this. I use your Advanced Shading Tutorial for most of my rendering works(textures, hair, skin, etc.) and I've binge watched most of your videos and my art improved a lot thanks to you! Keep doing art content mate! Cheers!
Thank you for basically recommending this vid of his, dunno how I missed it, but I followed along recently & it's amazing!!! TwT No one has ever explained something so clearly, I'll definitely be using it again to practise from now on! ^w^
It is possible to get the water bottle example more precise without a guideline; however, the way to achieve it is essentially to carefully measure(using observational drawing techniques), and see the guideline in your head before anything is on the page. This skill is practicable by doing pen and ink sketches - always from reference - and striving to make every line as clean as possible, with no pencils or layer magic, using the pen just to mark out either a final line, or the smallest possible indications of proportion, but otherwise doing everything by measuring it out with your eyes, holding up the pen to the reference and moving it to the sketchbook, or by holding the sketchbook side-by-side. I've done over 1000 of these ink sketches while doing anatomy studies this year and it made a monstrous improvement at seeing what I'm going to draw before I draw it. The difference in practicing this way is just in the order I do things: if you start by throwing down lines and then measuring to fix mistakes, you're "guessing, then checking". If you carefully measure, then draw the line, you're "checking, then guessing". You still have to check again to see how much you screwed up when you try to measure it first, but the quality of your initial measurement improves a lot after doing it for months on end, so you go faster, and drawing is less frustrating.
That said, using guidelines is essential for maximizing the precision of finalized drawings. It becomes more and more necessary to use them as you construct more from imagination, because our eye and muscle memory mostly remembers flat shapes and can't easily adjust for pose and perspective. If you are drawing vague guidelines and not using them well, that's a sign of not really knowing the shapes you're working with, or how the forms work in that perspective. Sometimes all you need is a thumbnail reference to remind you of the shape.
The reason why 10:43 looks wrong is not head/body ratio, but torso/hips/legs; there's almost no height indicated for the hips. Shrinking the head suggests a taller character, making short hips more plausible, but makes the shoulders too wide and the arms too thick.
OORRRR
have godlike art skills that you can draw anything without guidelines
@@mu1_regenerate You get there either what JH said or by doing loadz of guidelines till you have way too many memories and experiences of good results.
Drawing without guidelines is what you do when you are so good that you do that stuff automatically, can account for the variables in your mind either on a conscious or subconscious level.
So I can noooowww just eyeball things but I spent years using rulers to draw out guidelines before drawing to get proportions. As someone who prefers more tactile art over digital I was a little off put at first watching this seeing the drag the shape in to place but the more I think about it the more I realize it's the same I did using rulers and right angle rullers. It's a good foundation but after a while you can just eyeball things, takes a ton of practice though.
I watched You Yoshinari the character designer and animation director of Trigger studio draw the main characters of Cyberpunk Edgerunners on youtube yesterday and he used guidelines. I am pretty sure this definitively proves that guidelines are in the "does not make you a bad artist" category.
In highly technical aspects of animation, drafting is probably always necessary. Not so much for fine art paintings you might see in galleries but even painters sometimes use guidelines
cool video, only thing is that its very easy to tell you're reading directly from a script, either learn how to just speak off the top and be yourself or read the script a little more naturally, it is kind of harsh to listen to at times
Huge tips, i experienced some of these problems and I can tell you did too, these are stuff mostly not explained in other videos. I can relate to drawing without a plan, and then being overwhelmed by all the things you gotta fix later on, tough I've never painted before making sure everything is right.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Ps: i loved how the girl sitting on the chair looks and her design
Here’s a true reason for none guidelines users, kanji. Due note that the Japanese and many other symbol relates languages start off with grids when they learn to write.
As these people get older and study writing alphabet symbols accurately on that four square box, draw manga and such was just a whole ‘nother alphabet system to them.
We need the guidelines because we’re new to the mapping on guidelines method, they don’t because they’ve been mapping since they were 5yrs old.
I wonder if that would also translate to people who are good at calligraphy being good at freehanding shapes while drawing. I don't think I can actually check because none of the artists I know (me included) have even halfway decent cursive handwriting.
As an asian idk about this reason
@@mitchelljao Probably BS. Its like saying people with great penmanship draws good. As far as i know penmanship isn't transferable to drawing.
I feel like y'all are skipping the whole GUIDELINES and MAPPING part of the Convo😅
@@rdtiel yeah they be capping 🧢… mileage, learning/practicing the right way and that good sleep are some of the factors. Just like gym rats those people are art rats
Interesting tutorial and good fresh up for those which were familiar with it but didn't know every detail of the process yet!
Also, a tip for those who don't want to listen and still want to slap a png import over their character: You can do this on your character if you import a PNG and transform the PNG with a transform tool to fit the wireframe curvature after import. So letting the four corners of the image match within the 3d shape of a certain area.
The Vegeta Came out of nowhere😂
Most beginners shouldn’t use guidelines at all. They get too caught up in analysis paralysis and don’t end up making enough mistakes to improve.
What should we do then?
@@Dan-qq6hy focus more on life drawing and doing shorter more rapid cycles.
This is great! it helps a lot especially with foreshortening. If possible could we have a small video on how you shade leather? her pants look amazing
This is so unbeleivably helpful. I've always been confused as to how people go from lines to a picture, but when its like this I get it.
“I haven’t drawn the chair yet”
The missing feet “am I a joke to you?”
I got my I pad at best buy for cheaper and it was super helpful for the furthering of my art journey
an experianced mangaka once said, if ur skilled enough and have the shapes and techniques in your mind you can skip some steps to be faster and accurate, it all comes down to knowledge and practice.
I cannot believe I was incredibly entertained while watching someone draw a water bottle
Well, that's pretty helpful, considering how struggle i am these days trying to draw. Thanks man
I like to use a lot of reference photos and examine the proportions and geomtry of the subjects by tracing shapes over them. Your brain starts to register these forms when you do this. This leads to better shape placement. Im very satisfied with the potential of this practice.
I think in my case there are a few reasons why I struggle with drawing characters. The biggest one is an imbalance of skill. I can detail and color a lot better than my ability to draw. So I get very frustrated when I am unable to meet my own expectations. The second is my poor vision. It's impacted my observational skills. So it's a bit harder for me to study from photos and such. Things tend to get kinda skewed since I'm so nearsighted. I'll sketch out guidelines, but my uncertainty will cause them to be very rough and messy. Sometimes I wish that I could pay a tutor to help me improve, but it's difficult to find people who would be willing to adapt to someone with such limitations. So my art has just kinda remained stagnated for years.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I think it’s noteworthy that I’ve never seen a Best Buy sponsor before I didn’t even know they sponsored TH-cam videos 😂
Guy was sponsored by bestbuy but god dam did it work😂
Thank you so much. I've been struggling a lot with this lately and loosing motivation, but this helped me a lot!
yea i have a problem where i draw the head too big because i always draw the head guidelines and details then afterwards move onto the body without even drawing body guidelines
me, who doesnt use guidlines at all because i dont understand them: ...wow🤓
Me, who didn't understand a thing from the video: damn this is useless 🥸
21:21 I don't want to be the guy, but her left arm is about 50% longer than it should be. It must've been a really rushed sketch for the video I reckon, so I am not blaming you in any way.
to be entirely fair one was on the spot and the other was time lapsed
How are you so bad at explaining things yet your so good at it
I really liked the advice in this video.
Unfortunately theres a lot empty ranting-around rather than just getting to your point and it drags the video on for far too long.
I made it to 14:17 (I skipped about 2/3rds of that as well) and im tapping out. I think ive gotten the idea of what you're talking about, I dont predict you're going to say anything new that I need to spend another 15mins on.
I know it sounds mean, the general gist of your advice is quite helpful and effective and I can tell lots of effort has gone into this, but the effectiveness of your message is being eroded by all this extra baggage.
I think some good ways to fix this would be:
- following a stricter structure where certain explainations are contained SOLEY WITHIN their respective sections
- breaking your video into more formal sections which are all clipped and labelled in the timeline.
- explaining the structure of your lesson in the intro
- making a script of tightened bullet points and recording it in sections.
The title of the video (although clickbaity) was effective at drawing me in, but I had to wait until after the water bottle example before I understood what you actually meant, your video needs a CLEAR example of misusing guidelines somewhere at the start and not a series of vague explained examples, "show dont tell" would be quite effective here.
Sorry again I know this type of uninvited and quite stern crictical feedback is a bit rude, but in my defence so is clickbaiting me-in with an urgent-toned title that preys upon my insecurites (once again well done you bastard lol) and making me sit through 15 mins and an ad for a store in a country I dont even live-in, until I have any idea wtf you're ACTUALLY talking about.
Completely agree, i skipped through most of the video. The bottle example was pretty unnecessary, or at least unnecessarily long. I kept tuning out of the video
>no guidelines
>rushes and only takes like a minute tops
>guidelines used
>timelapse drawing
this really doesn't help your point man
so thankful that i found this video. i abandoned my recent digital painting (almost finished) because i felt so tired doing it because i have to repaint parts because they are off and it's taking me too long. it's all because i made really rushed sloppy guidelines. i'm drawing on my sketchbook for almost 2 weeks now and not doing digital art because using my drawing tablet feels so heavy for me. will probably pick it up again soon after some organising of workflow and* using guidelines effectively. thanks for your video
10:38
bro i died when you did this lmao
great video and thank you for the tips and lessons.
this feels like online class.. but a 100 times more fun, and helpfull
If I'm going to be honest, I'm somewhat annoyed of people in my school who put guidelines when they're drawing faces but don't even use them, they just put the facial features wherever.
this man somehow solves all of our problems as a kid:
*trying to draw the cap*
The process of drawing each step of the art process is quite a satisfying activity.
The lower thigh is the bit above the knee - you meant the calves. Lower arm works for forearm because the entire thing is called the arm, but the entire thing isn't called the thigh but the leg.
23:49 THIS GOT ME DYING 💀💀
Watching art tips while drawing is the best combo ever
One thing tend to do is combine all the sketches together, using different colors on different layers to differentiate the body, face, hair, arms and clothing and make just a big jumbled mess.
I tend to want to go into details immediately and by the time I start the lineart it's pretty much a rough version of the full lineart already
that first water bottle kinda curvy tho 😳😳😳😳
best buy??? the bag MUSTVE been ginormous
About the water bottle, it's not neccessarily wrong to have it misaligned, it depends what degree of realism you're going for. Sure the second one looks a lot cleaner and straighter, but the first one has more character.
But that's just my opinion.
As someone who had to struggle to figure out most of these things I'm glad there's a single video to lay them out.
Also a tip for those doing more realistic or western art styles, consider implementing the planes of the face into your head guidlines.
why are you filming this at 4am babe get some sleep😭
Honestly, you're one of the artists that inspire me to create amazing anime art. 💜 You're an awesome artist, and I can't wait to get to your level of anime art.
Lmfao the Vegita jumbscare
why is bro sponsored by best buy
“They choose to ignore em. Like what was the point of that..” 😂😂😂😂 Had me cracking up.3:58
Despite having guidelines for the water bottle you've drawn more of the top cap than can be seen in the reference image
"How you see, that water bolt is weird"
Also me, if i draw this: that best, what i made in my life!
2:21 Where the video starts btw
man really said "best buy had the best prices"
i'm starting to learn... i understand more of the stuff that the tutorails are talking about...
I just wanted to thank you from the bottom and top of my heart, your vids are super helpful and if I somehow get money I’ll definitely do my best to sub to your patreon to show my appreciation
I’m not kidding when I say this is the most helpful tutorial I’ve watched, thank you thank you thank you.
Jesus my guy is struggling with this sponsor seg.
U usually don’t complete drawings because I’m shitty at line art but very good at sketching,except in my animations
Love this tutorial, helped me a lot with simplifying things. I screamed when I saw Aya´s drawing!
I'm good but not that good I want to learn how to do guidelines and other stuff so I can improve my art
Is it possible to draw good stuffs without using guidelines?
Yeah it is 👍
I dont draw anymore (bad ending)
That's very sad :(
Spends 30 seconds on 1 water bottle and spends 5 minutes to 10 minutes on the other 😂
BEST BUY???
Sponsored by.... BEST BUY???? We made it bois.
I'm sitting here realizing how much I rush through the process of getting my figures together and am shooting myself in the foot by not slowing down and setting up properly, Thank you so much for this, it's so easy to lose sight and forget all this, even the most simple things. I swear, watching this has been like unlocking secret knowledge stored in my brain.
WARNING (JUMPSCARE)
23:50
What if you wanted to watch the video until the end...
But battery said no.
@SomeNormalArtist: While I completely agree with you that Guidelines helps, especially me, I cannot agree with the subject of your video. Anytime I see an artist say "You're doing this wrong" I get very curious as to what they're saying. I'm not in the business of writing long messages so I'll just say that not everyone is you. Every person is different, therefore their approach to doing things or needing things maybe different from yours and that's completely fine.
In the end if they are satisfied with their work and others like it, it really doesn't matter what your opinion is whether they're using something right or wrong. I've seen people go straight to drawing without even using guidelines at all and their work looks amazing. You should look up Jack Kurby if you don't know about him. Many don't and he is the original creator of most of the superheroes people love today. His work doesn't look completely proportionate but then again in comics and in stylized art proportion isn't the number one priority. What matters is; Is the art unique and pleasant to look at by yourself and others. Take care and happy drawing.
Thank you so much. I might as well start practising guidelines and try to draw a pose from a photo or something like that. I think this is the first video that actually helped me
This guide is absolutely incredible! Thank you! 💝💖
This isn't supposed to be snarky, but thank you for making me realise that this is digital art and therefore I can use shape tools to draw guides.
For a long time I avoided using guides bc of how I had to manually draw them. Now, I can at least use shape tools to give a starter on guides especially for my characters!
29:20 mad father 🥰
what are guidelines- bro I don't use that shit 💀
that water bottle really looks so weird and SUS
23:49 🤨🕶📸📸📸📸📸📸📸
I'm glad to be a beginner who is taking the time to learn the fundamentals... Yeah they're not all that _fun,_ but I know that if I know how to rotate and twist shapes, and use perspective correctly, then my actual drawings could be more fun. :)
This is pretty helpful. I knew a lot of this, but only really applied it when working with reference(s). Now I'm trying to do imagination drawings in a sketchbook, and was kind of struggling. Think this method will help a lot
I had a huge problem with proportions. But now after this tutorial, it's just simple. Don't reinvent the wheel just learn from people that are better than you. Huge thanks to you SomeNormalArtist I made milestone because of you.
23:48 this part made my head click towards my screen and when i saw what the vine boom was there for I JUST SMILED BRO
That was so amazing, and whats even funnier is how he didnt wven react to it
Also this video was really fun and i draw along with it ans i must say
THESE GUIDLINES HELPED ME OUT A LOT GAWSH DANG