@@qwerty112311 They only want to report how wonderful EV’s are and not the headaches at the charging stations. Yes it would interfere with silly giggles reporters and anchors and whatever entertainment agenda they have any given day. Thanks to the internet, we know better.
@@qwerty112311 They only want to report how wonderful EV’s are and not the headaches at the charging stations. Yes it would interfere with silly giggles reporters and anchors and whatever entertainment agenda they have any given day. Thanks to the internet, we know better.
There is really no call for such lousy service and equipment that doesn’t operate properly. No wonder those people left their car behind some days ago. Aside from that James, you made it this far so while it may not be much consolation, your almost there and your family and friends are with you to lend moral support. I and many others are praying for you. He always finds a way according to his will.
Good morning James and family. Sorry to hear about the road problems. On the bright side it is raining cats and dogs back here in Champaign. Safe travels...
Is there another brand f charging station that you can use? Based on this journey, I can't see how this would work out for a bus company that needs to meet schedules.
You've done your ever lovin' best to make this adventure work. I hope the company realizes that there have been sooooo many things that are out of your control. You have been a true professional on this trip!
My bus has a 20kw Generator. If you electric bus had a 25 gallon diesel tank you could start your generator and run it to charge your electric bus. You would have about 20 hours of running time. Then when the charging station did not work then you could still charge your bus enough to get you to the next charging station. If they wired it correctly then when you reach one of those low charging stations then you could start the generator to help the charger. I know this sounds silly but seriously it would give you an option to what you have experienced so far on this trip. Only having to refuel after 20 hours would mean it should not be that often, however this trip it would have meant refueling quite often. You could also run the generator while going down the road. You would be using more electricity than the generator can make but it would help some.
So frustrating…. Ughhh Charger overheating, you have a bus. Swamp cooler the charger by dumping the sanitary tanks on it to cool it down That way you can say “pizz on it” All kidding aside, sorry for missing beach day. Chin up, in the future, it’s something you and. The family can look back and laugh at it
Making them stay on the bus including during all recharging cycles, eating MRE combat rations only, using the bus bathroom only, spitz baths only. Politicians edict for the rest of us and never have to live under edicts. "It ain't right!"
Maybe this will give Pacific Pride an idea and install EV chargers at their stations since this is a large duty commercial vehicle that you’re driving.
James and Dennis I appreciate you all taking this journey and showcasing the highs and lows of long distance trips in an longer than normal EV. I'm trying to watch the videos in order. This trip has to be painful and super frustrating. EA has a lot of work to do to match the ICE infrastructure but we have to keep in mind the ICE have a 100+ year head start
I guess the country its not ready for electric buses....imagine you have to go over the curb to get charge....patience is key at least we know what the future will be for these buses...I bet you can Wait to drive your diesel buses at peoria charters..you will defenetly feel the difference...one day at a time
Yeah then imagine all of this in extreme cold and snow piled up. Then try to get the bus positioned to the charger. Then on top of that it doesn’t work and you have a bus full of angry people.
For hot handles I remember seeing a TH-camr recommend a really cold wet towel on the handle. It is too hot but the towel will help and should give you faster speeds if I remember correctly. Shout out to Kyle Conner and Out of Spec channel.
James: I think we all feel your pain through this trip. But I have to say, I would love to see you attempt this trip again at some future date. Next time I would invite reporters from ABC, Vanhool and, Electrify America; this nation’s supposed leader in vehicle chargers. It seems that everyone’s done their part in making your trip possible. The only problem with this trip is that EA keeps dropping the ball. By failing at every turn, Electrify America is exposing itself as Not Ready to meet the growing demands electric vehicles will present in now or, in the future. They should have made provision for all manner of vehicles, buses included This is a problem EA cannot ignore. But, as a major resource, Electrify America should have been brought in on trip planning from the gate. And, I hope that they are paying close attention to your trip with plans to correct everything you exposed.
Electrify America isn't there to make money. The government made Volkswagen create Electrify America due to their diesel cheating. Once they lose enough money, VW can say "we tried" and dump it. The failure is that if ABC knew that EA was problematic, and the e-mail from ABC management indicated that EA already refused to support them, why did they send James and their bus on their network? ABC should have planned them a route on alternate networks, or just canned the idea. It's largely their failure.
I would like to see competition in the charging marketplace. I know Tesla has their own chargers and I believe the connectors are not universal. In time there will be more chargers on the roads and highways plus accessories to make use of all the different charging options.
@@crabbymilton390 There is standardization. Laws require all US EVs charge via SAE CCS. This is partially what causes the issue here, poor testing and compatibility. The automotive industry sucks at software. Tesla anticipated this mess.
Seems to me that these chargers need to be engineered/designed for differences in climate/temperature. Same units in northern parts of the country are not going to do well in hotter southern parts. It's still early days. Early days of internal combustion engines the gas stations were few and far between.
@@hakanbergvall9777 Yeah---- that's a real innovative idea. Is your intelligence quotient in direct opposite proportion to the size of your MULE??? MUST BE!!! Because what over 100 years of ⛽ gas/diesel ⛽ has done is accelerated the thirst and need for alternative fuel vehicles. Oh if you don't understand because your MULE gets in the way--- THAT MEANS ELECTRIC CARS ARE HERE TO STAY AND THE MARKET IS GROWING!!!!!!!!!
You mean until battery technology can enable storage of substantially more charge per pound of battery cell. And that gateway is guarded by the chemical and materials technologies. Until the aforementioned strides are met, motorcoach makers can help on their end by making every square inch of outside vehicle surface essentially a solar surface and or panel, in conjunction with regenerative braking.
@@marvinjgerald6007 Regenerative braking won’t do much good on a coach like this. Transit and school buses sure along with rental car/ parking lot/hotel shuttle buses that you see at airports.
@@crabbymilton390 of course every little effort would help make a difference, especially traveling throughout the mountainous territories. Regenerative braking can be applied not just to wheel-axle technology but also to motor (stator/armature) and or engine (crankshaft/transmission) technologies. Any braking tech and implement regenerative braking.
From what I have seen, you are having charger infrastructure problems- not bus problems. The bus seems solid. I can’t imagine how a bus business would be successful using commercial charging infrastructure - it just wouldn’t work.
If its anything like my Nissan Leaf, the charge speed is limited by the vehicle, not the charging station. I have a 40Amp breaker but the car is limited to 6kw. Supposedly I could use the Chademo port but I've never found a working station and I hear it's rough on the battery life. Its probably the Buses fault.
The ones from the late 1990’s were not so good but these newer ones have improved. Want real crapola look at the disaster BCI was when they tried getting into this market.
What is the big rush for electric buses? It is clear that the country is NOT prepared to go with all electric fleet, but transit agencies all around the country are pushing towards this. California is pushing 3 hardest to electrify buses and trucks. I believe the Feds are pushing for 2040 but this is insane.
I’m now imagining if they could resurrect LAUREL & HARDY for one last episode. Picture those two with their wives taking turns driving this thing. “Hey Olie. We have all of these power points in the bus. So why don’t we just plug it In one of those to charge the bus tonight?” “That’s a good idea Stanley. Now we can go eat and enjoy our dinner and the bus will be ready tomorrow.” Then it doesn’t work and Oliver...”Well it didn’t charge. Here’s another fine mess you’ve gotten me into. “
Well he didn’t cuss scream or chase James around with a stick. He was probably just as frustrated charging his car and he may have been communicating with somebody else. They talked a bit after that. Seems ok.
Approximately how much would it cost to charge this electric bus , on this charger from 0 %…obviously you wouldn’t be that low, but approximately how much on this particular charger ?
I’m thinking these chargers are meant specifically for cars and not buses as a car will not require that much wattage in comparison to what you’re charging. Which they have to upgrade those to a supercharger like what Tesla has.
I don’t know if this has been asked, who is covering the costs of charging of the bus batteries, the hotels and meals? The unexpected delays along the way have added to overall costs also, I imagine.
This makes me think that just about anybody with the resources could lease a piece of land run electricity through it and put up chargers for electric vehicles. Where each vehicle, or each charger, shares in the load that goes to the group of chargers. I'm not a fan of regulations, but, there should be regulations that state if a charger has a label that says it will deliver x kilowatt hours per hour minimum, that it will always deliver x kilowatt hours minimum. Then, it'll be able to compete with a gas station more on a level surface where each pump can pump at its maximum flow rate and not harm any other pumps that are in the station. Just curious, are there any of those weights at and measures type stickers from the States that are on these pumps saying that they will deliver a certain charge rate all the time? My guess is not these are just fancy electrical outlets with a meter on them.
40 ? Whoa hopefully EA can reset the charger. Nearly all the ones in Louisiana are slow. I think the last time I charged in Beaumont and went straight to Hammond. I just put enough charge in to make it to Gulfport Mississippi not to far away. The most I’ve gotten on that charger was 118 and then it dropped down to 90
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv or the sensor being accurate. That is a lot of power and if it is DC the size of the conductor you wold need to charge at that rate for a long time would make the cable too heavy. Anyway, ambient temps are going to have a big impact on how long you can charge at what rate.
As a retired bus driver I can appreciate that bus and remember you can always just relax in the bus,, make a big fat ham sandwich in air conditioned comfort, and have a nice refreshing nap and wake up to a fully charged bus, or whine like a whiner..and why is it parked all screwed up on the curb? Canback right up to the charger, this is indeed silly, but a very nice bus someone does not deserve nor appreciate.
I actually suggested that my next delivery van, electric should be considered. Not anymore. My workplace has been great to me for decades but knowing them they probably would have crappy chargers like those. Yes keep on plugging.
This electric technology has years away to go. I can't find bus parking now in large cities and they are taking more parking away from buses so where are we charging all these buses.
The journey is almost done, this proves America is not ready for full zize Ev public transportation, only city transit could benefit from full EV Busses, charters and long hual busses just need to stay how they are. In Florida its never to late to go to the beach, its rather enjoyable at night listening to the waves crash against the shore. Being as far South as I am I figured you wouldn't be passing thru my area but least ur back in Sunny hot Florida. On ur next trip maybe youll be closer to the West Palm Beach area.
"Rebooting Windows..." well THERE'S your problem! Not Windows per se, but a company using full-blown computers to control things that are baking in the southern sun. That's poor engineering design, plain and simple. Electrify America is a subsidiary fo Volkswagen AG, formed as part of Volkswagen's punishment in the US for their Diesel emissions scandal. Based on what I've seen, Volkswagen isn't actually using these to promote electric vehicles as the court ordered, but to do the opposite. In contrast, Tesla's charging stations exist to _promote_ their products. That's why they work so much better, because they're a good faith investment in their brand, while Electrify America is a bad faith response to bad faith before that. IMO the court should hand those stations over to an operator who is willing to be competitive. Yes, there is a need for charging stations made specifically for busses, trucks and other long haul vehicles for electric to be competitive in that industry. One thing to remember is that long haul trucking is a relatively new industry that simply didn't exist some 50 years ago. Before the roads existed to enable long haul, trains took the bulk of the freight and passengers across the country. Well, if that industry could make itself out of nothing, why should we believe the people who say that things can't be changed? If that was true, we'd still be using trains. The big problem we face in making progress is not "the government" but rather monopolism. It was monopolism that eradicated electric vehicles from cities back in the 1950s, after all. If we let them, monopolists will keep EV charging stations out of truck stops, and out in these inconvenient places. But that's not competition, it's oppression.
@@hakanbergvall9777 there is no "need" for vehicles period, if you want to get pedantic. But because recharging (just like refilling) is a "need" if you want to use either, then yes, it is a need.
@StringerNews1 Bravo! Great comment, thank you. Electrify long haul rail, upgrade the derailing tracks, complete a 99.9% up-time local battery charging infrastructure, ONLY THEN declare war on gasoline and diesel motor vehicles!
@@donalddodson7365 the "hurry up and wait" strategy was fine 30 years ago, but after 30 years of no progress, we have a crisis. Better to "declare war" on inanimate objects than on ourselves, our children and grandchildren.
James has the patience of Job. Also, 22,000 pounds of batteries (11 tons) and the range is 250 miles? that's 88 pounds per mile. Goodness gracious. In comparison, a gallon of diesel is 7.1 pounds. Holy crap.
Please just make it home safely, call the bus company, and have them take the buses back to California, my heart is breaking for you and your family 🤞🏻
Hello James, my company E- Universe Transportation Showroom is a startup that will be offering Ev vehicle exhibit space for various EV vehicles. Your charging experience of EV Motorcoach & Buses should be a awake up call for the industry as a whole for all electric manufactured product to focus on range , price & charging to be a top priority for a customer experience in order for public acceptance to adopt EV vehicles. Let's hope the charging company you have chosen to charge at , hears you loud & clear. Have a safe trip
It's early days for this marketplace. Go back 100 years when the automobile was the new tech--- how many gas stations were in the United States??? The Standard Oil Company had 12 stations in 1920 and by 1929 they had more than 1,500. It just takes time.
Hybrid is the way to go if it has to be. But I’m old school and I just want my fossil fueled engines😃 you need a windmill mounted to the roof of the bus hahaha
⛽ diesel and future technology hydrogen fuel cell ⛽ hydrogen liquid instant recharge of batterys so makes hyper fast charging obsolete. Sunderland uk leading away
I may be wrong in my assumption, but this trip looks bad for ABC Bus Sales if they're trying to promote E-Coaches as viable option to diesel? If I where a Coach Company owner watching this vid, there's NO WAY IN HELL would I buy a E-Coach. With all the difficulties you've been having on this trip, it's not worth it.
If your running local routes and have a charger in your depot I don't see the problem, the problem comes with long distance, I wonder if ABC bus Sales and VanHool can set that up back for local work to see the differences?
I wish that the Liberals and the environmentalists could see these videos. Maybe they could get it through their thick skulls that the chargers aren't ready for massive usage.
Electrify America should send someone at the top to ride along so they can experience this silly issue. Electric vehicles are not the primary barrier to entry (other than price), it is the charging network. Ford, GM, Rivian Volvo, Mercedes and Nissan are switching to tesla charging network, and it is easy to see why.
Dear Electrify America: I’d like to remind you that, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT TELL AMERICANS THAT YOU ARE NOT SETUP TO CHARGE BUSES AND OTHER LARGE VEHICLES”. This ignores the fact that Electrify America knows that buses are at the forefront of the push to introduce electric vehicles to the American vehicle buying public, as buses have always been. A bus was used to introduce methanol, ethanol and other non-oil based fuel alternatives. And now you tell James “We can’t charge your bus because we aren’t setup to charge large vehicles? Granted, you were left out of the plan for this trip. But, that doesn’t shield you from overlooking the possibility that electric buses are being built right now, and will be on America streets tomorrow, but still, you cannot charge their batteries? Clean up your act, electrify America stop making excuses and put forth a genuine effort at clearing up all the issues, James and his party experience during this trip.
This bus is 1.3 million usd.. Probably will not be used for passengers ever, its just doesnt make sense financially and it will waste alot of time charging. Very big waste.
EV Double Decker Buses will never be used for long distance travel until they have electrified highways; They know that they have this POS on the road, and there's no designated CSR standing by for assistance.
They put those Evie motor coach buses out before their time. What's in another 5 to 10 years they were have those charging stations everywhere, they should be an every truck stop. Watching the video is frustrating me that you can't enjoy the comforts of the coach and the time.
@@satiricalzero There are any number of videos out there of EV’s not just buses. By the time they catch fire, it seems that it’s just a matter of seconds before the vehicle is completely destroyed. All the fire department can do is hope the water will somehow stop it.
How have you been around this long and you still expect things to work correctly? That is not what we signed up for. Our lives are crap and if we do something wrong the blame always goes on us.
*I think Dennis ran out of patience several days ago. You're doing admirably well under this pressure.*
Congratulations, sir! You are a pioneer. It is surprising that no major media outlet has picked up this story.
Doesn’t fit the narrative.
@@qwerty112311 They only want to report how wonderful EV’s are and not the headaches at the charging stations. Yes it would interfere with silly giggles reporters and anchors and whatever entertainment agenda they have any given day. Thanks to the internet, we know better.
@@qwerty112311 They only want to report how wonderful EV’s are and not the headaches at the charging stations. Yes it would interfere with silly giggles reporters and anchors and whatever entertainment agenda they have any given day. Thanks to the internet, we know better.
I agree , FOX NEWS , CBN AND NEWS MAX should be reporting, Then American and see battery run vehicles is a Communist DemocRat LIE .
There is really no call for such lousy service and equipment that doesn’t operate properly. No wonder those people left their car behind some days ago. Aside from that James, you made it this far so while it may not be much consolation, your almost there and your family and friends are with you to lend moral support. I and many others are praying for you. He always finds a way according to his will.
Go to the beach early in the morning on the way out.. 20 minutes is better than nothing. Put a smile on family’s faces for sure
Good morning James and family. Sorry to hear about the road problems. On the bright side it is raining cats and dogs back here in Champaign. Safe travels...
These livestreams will go down in EV history. May you receive all the accolades that come from it, James.
Ahhh....I'm so sorry! This really stinks. I am praying you all make it to Destin. It's really beautiful beaches.
Is there another brand f charging station that you can use? Based on this journey, I can't see how this would work out for a bus company that needs to meet schedules.
You've done your ever lovin' best to make this adventure work. I hope the company realizes that there have been sooooo many things that are out of your control. You have been a true professional on this trip!
Hang in there James and team!
Your call is very important to us!!
My bus has a 20kw Generator. If you electric bus had a 25 gallon diesel tank you could start your generator and run it to charge your electric bus. You would have about 20 hours of running time. Then when the charging station did not work then you could still charge your bus enough to get you to the next charging station. If they wired it correctly then when you reach one of those low charging stations then you could start the generator to help the charger. I know this sounds silly but seriously it would give you an option to what you have experienced so far on this trip. Only having to refuel after 20 hours would mean it should not be that often, however this trip it would have meant refueling quite often. You could also run the generator while going down the road. You would be using more electricity than the generator can make but it would help some.
Seems very frustrating! You’re handling the situation like the pro you are!
Hi Jame. I would be frustrated as well/ Van Hool need to have a generator on board for situations like this.
Stay safe.
So frustrating…. Ughhh
Charger overheating, you have a bus.
Swamp cooler the charger by dumping the sanitary tanks on it to cool it down
That way you can say “pizz on it”
All kidding aside, sorry for missing beach day. Chin up, in the future, it’s something you and. The family can look back and laugh at it
This is. "shocking". Looks oike that company needs better infrastructure...
We need to arrange a legit sightseeing tour of governmental EV proponents and take them out and see how they like this process.
I do a thousand miles a day road tripping in my ev.
Making them stay on the bus including during all recharging cycles, eating MRE combat rations only, using the bus bathroom only, spitz baths only. Politicians edict for the rest of us and never have to live under edicts. "It ain't right!"
Sure do. Have the logs to prove it. tesla model 3. @@hakanbergvall9777
@@hakanbergvall9777 lol 🤣
@@jeepxjlmfao maybe every 24 hours, but not in a practical road tripping day and sure as hell not in a DOT driving day.
Maybe this will give Pacific Pride an idea and install EV chargers at their stations since this is a large duty commercial vehicle that you’re driving.
James and Dennis I appreciate you all taking this journey and showcasing the highs and lows of long distance trips in an longer than normal EV. I'm trying to watch the videos in order. This trip has to be painful and super frustrating.
EA has a lot of work to do to match the ICE infrastructure but we have to keep in mind the ICE have a 100+ year head start
Hey James, I saw you on I-10 East by Slidell, Louisiana entering into Mississippi. Hope you have safe travels.😀
Hammond, LA is a nice town, tho. Got stuck there for almost a week in a small plane due to Texas Ice storm in January.
I guess the country its not ready for electric buses....imagine you have to go over the curb to get charge....patience is key at least we know what the future will be for these buses...I bet you can Wait to drive your diesel buses at peoria charters..you will defenetly feel the difference...one day at a time
Not ready for electric car either. It’s going to take a while to accommodate all types of electric vehicles.
Yeah then imagine all of this in extreme cold and snow piled up. Then try to get the bus positioned to the charger. Then on top of that it doesn’t work and you have a bus full of angry people.
RadioShack chargers of America😭😭
For hot handles I remember seeing a TH-camr recommend a really cold wet towel on the handle. It is too hot but the towel will help and should give you faster speeds if I remember correctly.
Shout out to Kyle Conner and Out of Spec channel.
James I drive out at Universal studios Orlando so let ke know when your there. Hope to meet you all. Hank Snow.
we are not ready to be electrified.....
James: I think we all feel your pain through this trip. But I have to say, I would love to see you attempt this trip again at some future date. Next time I would invite reporters from ABC, Vanhool and, Electrify America; this nation’s supposed leader in vehicle chargers.
It seems that everyone’s done their part in making your trip possible. The only problem with this trip is that EA keeps dropping the ball.
By failing at every turn, Electrify America is exposing itself as Not Ready to meet the growing demands electric vehicles will present in now or, in the future. They should have made provision for all manner of vehicles, buses included This is a problem EA cannot ignore. But, as a major resource, Electrify America should have been brought in on trip planning from the gate. And, I hope that they are paying close attention to your trip with plans to correct everything you exposed.
Well said, thank you.
Electrify America isn't there to make money. The government made Volkswagen create Electrify America due to their diesel cheating. Once they lose enough money, VW can say "we tried" and dump it. The failure is that if ABC knew that EA was problematic, and the e-mail from ABC management indicated that EA already refused to support them, why did they send James and their bus on their network? ABC should have planned them a route on alternate networks, or just canned the idea. It's largely their failure.
I would like to see competition in the charging marketplace. I know Tesla has their own chargers and I believe the connectors are not universal. In time there will be more chargers on the roads and highways plus accessories to make use of all the different charging options.
@@paulutd69 Exactly. Standardization would have no downside. At the very least adapters.
@@crabbymilton390 There is standardization. Laws require all US EVs charge via SAE CCS. This is partially what causes the issue here, poor testing and compatibility. The automotive industry sucks at software. Tesla anticipated this mess.
Seems to me that these chargers need to be engineered/designed for differences in climate/temperature. Same units in northern parts of the country are not going to do well in hotter southern parts. It's still early days. Early days of internal combustion engines the gas stations were few and far between.
@@hakanbergvall9777 Yeah---- that's a real innovative idea. Is your intelligence quotient in direct opposite proportion to the size of your MULE??? MUST BE!!! Because what over 100 years of ⛽ gas/diesel ⛽ has done is accelerated the thirst and need for alternative fuel vehicles. Oh if you don't understand because your MULE gets in the way--- THAT MEANS ELECTRIC CARS ARE HERE TO STAY AND THE MARKET IS GROWING!!!!!!!!!
Until they make a 400-500 miles range buses this will be the norm...but I guess is a try out for these buses
You mean until battery technology can enable storage of substantially more charge per pound of battery cell. And that gateway is guarded by the chemical and materials technologies. Until the aforementioned strides are met, motorcoach makers can help on their end by making every square inch of outside vehicle surface essentially a solar surface and or panel, in conjunction with regenerative braking.
@@marvinjgerald6007 Regenerative braking won’t do much good on a coach like this. Transit and school buses sure along with rental car/ parking lot/hotel shuttle buses that you see at airports.
@@crabbymilton390 of course every little effort would help make a difference, especially traveling throughout the mountainous territories. Regenerative braking can be applied not just to wheel-axle technology but also to motor (stator/armature) and or engine (crankshaft/transmission) technologies. Any braking tech and implement regenerative braking.
8:45 you may want to go into the video editor, and remove the cellphone number from the video. 😉
From what I have seen, you are having charger infrastructure problems- not bus problems. The bus seems solid. I can’t imagine how a bus business would be successful using commercial charging infrastructure - it just wouldn’t work.
Would love to see you do this trip again in 2-5 years and see how much easier it gets,
@@hakanbergvall9777EV is not a dead end
Yep. All this EV garbage will be trashed by then.
Bloody hell. I
Poor Dennis. I think he’s had enough!
If its anything like my Nissan Leaf, the charge speed is limited by the vehicle, not the charging station. I have a 40Amp breaker but the car is limited to 6kw. Supposedly I could use the Chademo port but I've never found a working station and I hear it's rough on the battery life. Its probably the Buses fault.
What size is the super single steer tire! 365mm wide?
What kind of bus is it? Van Hool Junk.
The ones from the late 1990’s were not so good but these newer ones have improved. Want real crapola look at the disaster BCI was when they tried getting into this market.
What is the big rush for electric buses? It is clear that the country is NOT prepared to go with all electric fleet, but transit agencies all around the country are pushing towards this. California is pushing 3 hardest to electrify buses and trucks. I believe the Feds are pushing for 2040 but this is insane.
EV buses would probably be ok for shorter line runs or short trips around town. Not long distance charters.
I’m now imagining if they could resurrect LAUREL & HARDY for one last episode. Picture those two with their wives taking turns driving this thing. “Hey Olie. We have all of these power points in the bus. So why don’t we just plug it
In one of those to charge the bus tonight?” “That’s a good idea Stanley. Now we can go eat and enjoy our dinner and the bus will be ready tomorrow.” Then it doesn’t work and Oliver...”Well it didn’t charge. Here’s another fine mess you’ve gotten me into. “
Politics. Thats the rush. It's Politics.
Question James: Do you see any difference if the bus is turned completely off, like "dead?" I noticed here the hazard flashers were on.
Very small difference. Not enough to suffer in the heat
That guy was rude! It was a better way of saying that.
Well he didn’t cuss scream or chase James around with a stick. He was probably just as frustrated charging his car and he may have been communicating with somebody else. They talked a bit after that. Seems ok.
Approximately how much would it cost to charge this electric bus , on this charger from 0 %…obviously you wouldn’t be that low, but approximately how much on this particular charger ?
It usually costs around $200 or more to charge from 30 to 50 percent up to full
I’m thinking these chargers are meant specifically for cars and not buses as a car will not require that much wattage in comparison to what you’re charging. Which they have to upgrade those to a supercharger like what Tesla has.
Oh what’s that noise the charger or the bus. Sounds like a compressor.
I don’t know if this has been asked, who is covering the costs of charging of the bus batteries, the hotels and meals? The unexpected delays along the way have added to overall costs also, I imagine.
This makes me think that just about anybody with the resources could lease a piece of land run electricity through it and put up chargers for electric vehicles. Where each vehicle, or each charger, shares in the load that goes to the group of chargers.
I'm not a fan of regulations, but, there should be regulations that state if a charger has a label that says it will deliver x kilowatt hours per hour minimum, that it will always deliver x kilowatt hours minimum. Then, it'll be able to compete with a gas station more on a level surface where each pump can pump at its maximum flow rate and not harm any other pumps that are in the station.
Just curious, are there any of those weights at and measures type stickers from the States that are on these pumps saying that they will deliver a certain charge rate all the time? My guess is not these are just fancy electrical outlets with a meter on them.
One reason for low charge is the temperature of the batteries.
If the heat is a problem why don't they build the charger stations with an a/c cooler.
That would only add to the costs.
That's got to be frustrating with those chargers. I like the concept but they need to work on those chargers.
Please don't cancel the beach day. Delay it don't cancel it.
James, You might want to change your phone number. Its now on youtube.
40 ? Whoa hopefully EA can reset the charger. Nearly all the ones in Louisiana are slow. I think the last time I charged in Beaumont and went straight to Hammond. I just put enough charge in to make it to Gulfport Mississippi not to far away. The most I’ve gotten on that charger was 118 and then it dropped down to 90
If this Bus was a Diesel would you drive every day?
It’s too much power. Those chargers can’t charge at that high rate that long.
That's not the issue. The issue is the temperature sensor in the cable failing. It's a well known issue
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv or the sensor being accurate. That is a lot of power and if it is DC the size of the conductor you wold need to charge at that rate for a long time would make the cable too heavy. Anyway, ambient temps are going to have a big impact on how long you can charge at what rate.
see that the vehicles are ready but, the infrastructure are way behind these days
As a retired bus driver I can appreciate that bus and remember you can always just relax in the bus,, make a big fat ham sandwich in air conditioned comfort, and have a nice refreshing nap and wake up to a fully charged bus, or whine like a whiner..and why is it parked all screwed up on the curb? Canback right up to the charger, this is indeed silly, but a very nice bus someone does not deserve nor appreciate.
Beautiful bus😊
*Beautiful it is. That said, it is more of a static display than a 'motor vehicle'.*
I actually suggested that my next delivery van, electric should be considered. Not anymore. My workplace has been great to me for decades but knowing them they probably would have crappy chargers like those. Yes keep on plugging.
This electric technology has years away to go. I can't find bus parking now in large cities and they are taking more parking away from buses so where are we charging all these buses.
Like somebody said tow a diesel powered generator behind the bus.
Should always have a diesel engine as a backup, like the Toyota preis but runs on gas.
Your blazing the trails for our industry… we’re going to be talking about your adventure in 5 yrs over beverages
Stop at home Depot get a generator
The journey is almost done, this proves America is not ready for full zize Ev public transportation, only city transit could benefit from full EV Busses, charters and long hual busses just need to stay how they are.
In Florida its never to late to go to the beach, its rather enjoyable at night listening to the waves crash against the shore.
Being as far South as I am I figured you wouldn't be passing thru my area but least ur back in Sunny hot Florida. On ur next trip maybe youll be closer to the West Palm Beach area.
After all these years we are still using Kw smdh! We need flux capacitors NOW!
"Rebooting Windows..." well THERE'S your problem! Not Windows per se, but a company using full-blown computers to control things that are baking in the southern sun. That's poor engineering design, plain and simple.
Electrify America is a subsidiary fo Volkswagen AG, formed as part of Volkswagen's punishment in the US for their Diesel emissions scandal. Based on what I've seen, Volkswagen isn't actually using these to promote electric vehicles as the court ordered, but to do the opposite. In contrast, Tesla's charging stations exist to _promote_ their products. That's why they work so much better, because they're a good faith investment in their brand, while Electrify America is a bad faith response to bad faith before that. IMO the court should hand those stations over to an operator who is willing to be competitive.
Yes, there is a need for charging stations made specifically for busses, trucks and other long haul vehicles for electric to be competitive in that industry. One thing to remember is that long haul trucking is a relatively new industry that simply didn't exist some 50 years ago. Before the roads existed to enable long haul, trains took the bulk of the freight and passengers across the country. Well, if that industry could make itself out of nothing, why should we believe the people who say that things can't be changed? If that was true, we'd still be using trains.
The big problem we face in making progress is not "the government" but rather monopolism. It was monopolism that eradicated electric vehicles from cities back in the 1950s, after all. If we let them, monopolists will keep EV charging stations out of truck stops, and out in these inconvenient places. But that's not competition, it's oppression.
@@hakanbergvall9777 there is no "need" for vehicles period, if you want to get pedantic. But because recharging (just like refilling) is a "need" if you want to use either, then yes, it is a need.
@@hakanbergvall9777 oh, so you're a politician. No, I don't like dictatorships.
@StringerNews1 Bravo! Great comment, thank you. Electrify long haul rail, upgrade the derailing tracks, complete a 99.9% up-time local battery charging infrastructure, ONLY THEN declare war on gasoline and diesel motor vehicles!
@@donalddodson7365 the "hurry up and wait" strategy was fine 30 years ago, but after 30 years of no progress, we have a crisis. Better to "declare war" on inanimate objects than on ourselves, our children and grandchildren.
You may as well buy a portable fuel generator to charge the bus for all the good these charging stations are doing you!
James has the patience of Job.
Also, 22,000 pounds of batteries (11 tons) and the range is 250 miles? that's 88 pounds per mile. Goodness gracious. In comparison, a gallon of diesel is 7.1 pounds.
Holy crap.
That should stay in the City.
You may have answered this question. Why are you only using Energize America?
ABC suggested that that's the only charger I use for this bus
How many buses could you have topped off with diesel in this timeframe and sent them on their way down the road. This is absolutely ridiculous
Please just make it home safely, call the bus company, and have them take the buses back to California, my heart is breaking for you and your family 🤞🏻
Well Folks, it does not look like America is ready.......
Hello James, my company E- Universe Transportation Showroom is a startup that will be offering Ev vehicle exhibit space for various EV vehicles. Your charging experience of EV Motorcoach & Buses should be a awake up call for the industry as a whole for all electric manufactured product to focus on range , price & charging to be a top priority for a customer experience in order for public acceptance to adopt EV vehicles. Let's hope the charging company you have chosen to charge at , hears you loud & clear. Have a safe trip
It's early days for this marketplace. Go back 100 years when the automobile was the new tech--- how many gas stations were in the United States??? The Standard Oil Company had 12 stations in 1920 and by 1929 they had more than 1,500. It just takes time.
Hybrid is the way to go if it has to be. But I’m old school and I just want my fossil fueled engines😃 you need a windmill mounted to the roof of the bus hahaha
With a diesel, you would be there already
⛽ diesel and future technology hydrogen fuel cell ⛽ hydrogen liquid instant recharge of batterys so makes hyper fast charging obsolete. Sunderland uk leading away
I may be wrong in my assumption, but this trip looks bad for ABC Bus Sales if they're trying to promote E-Coaches as viable option to diesel? If I where a Coach Company owner watching this vid, there's NO WAY IN HELL would I buy a E-Coach. With all the difficulties you've been having on this trip, it's not worth it.
If your running local routes and have a charger in your depot I don't see the problem, the problem comes with long distance, I wonder if ABC bus Sales and VanHool can set that up back for local work to see the differences?
I agree. I think local work or sightseeing work would be ok for these EV’s. But not charter work going long distances.
If this was on the news nobody would be going to a dealer and buying an EV
It seems like Electrafy America needs dto try this journey. Drink the cool aide.
I wish that the Liberals and the environmentalists could see these videos. Maybe they could get it through their thick skulls that the chargers aren't ready for massive usage.
Electrify America should send someone at the top to ride along so they can experience this silly issue. Electric vehicles are not the primary barrier to entry (other than price), it is the charging network. Ford, GM, Rivian Volvo, Mercedes and Nissan are switching to tesla charging network, and it is easy to see why.
I'd drive that heap to the nearest airport and dump it
It's blast to drive 😮
Dear Electrify America: I’d like to remind you that, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT TELL AMERICANS THAT YOU ARE NOT SETUP TO CHARGE BUSES AND OTHER LARGE VEHICLES”. This ignores the fact that Electrify America knows that buses are at the forefront of the push to introduce electric vehicles to the American vehicle buying public, as buses have always been. A bus was used to introduce methanol, ethanol and other non-oil based fuel alternatives. And now you tell James “We can’t charge your bus because we aren’t setup to charge large vehicles?
Granted, you were left out of the plan for this trip. But, that doesn’t shield you from overlooking the possibility that electric buses are being built right now, and will be on America streets tomorrow, but still, you cannot charge their batteries? Clean up your act, electrify America stop making excuses and put forth a genuine effort at clearing up all the issues, James and his party experience during this trip.
This should be a warning to all that electric vehicles do not work.
This bus is 1.3 million usd.. Probably will not be used for passengers ever, its just doesnt make sense financially and it will waste alot of time charging. Very big waste.
How fast it goes 😊
cross country in an electric bus seems terrible. just take the train.
There won’t be enough drivers step in for drivers running out of on duty hours to charge the vehicles.
That’s a valid point
EV Double Decker Buses will never be used for long distance travel until they have electrified highways; They know that they have this POS on the road, and there's no designated CSR standing by for assistance.
They put those Evie motor coach buses out before their time. What's in another 5 to 10 years they were have those charging stations everywhere, they should be an every truck stop. Watching the video is frustrating me that you can't enjoy the comforts of the coach and the time.
Good time for a battery fire to end the madness.
Come on now we don’t want people to potentially get hurt here.
A battery fire is extremely dangerous to everyone around.
@@satiricalzero There are any number of videos out there of EV’s not just buses. By the time they catch fire, it seems that it’s just a matter of seconds before the vehicle is completely destroyed. All the fire department can do is hope the water will somehow stop it.
Electric Vehicles are still Experimental and the Concept may never become 100% Successful
I'll stick with a gas vehicle
Come to st Petersburg FL I want see you and bus
The EV infrastructure sucks.
Bullcrap
How have you been around this long and you still expect things to work correctly? That is not what we signed up for. Our lives are crap and if we do something wrong the blame always goes on us.
Pain in ass it drive me nuts 😡
Why not diesel electric hybrid
I’ll stick to my gas vehicles. This is sad.