What's under the hood of the Double Decker bus? | Vanhool TDX 25E Techs and Specs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, I will show you all the Techs and Specs as well as untangle some of the myths and misconceptions regarding the Double decker coach, Van Hool TDX 25E and a bit of history of its beginnings with the TDX 25 Diesel Variant.
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James, you're final words and thoughts speak volumes. I really appreciate the hard work and effort that you put into your videos. Thank you
Agree !
I'm fortunate to be able to drive a TDX25 on a daily basis. Once you get used to the overall size and capabilities, they are a BLAST to drive as much as an eye-catcher and thrill for the riders. I brought mine back to the yard last week driving through a lightning storm on a dark night, a wide open tollway, and a wide open throttle (it's governed, not setting records here) with the radio blasting. No passengers of course. Unforgettable!
I loved the coach. I envy you lol
VanHool TDX 25 is a great looking coach! Love both diesel and eclectic. To each their own. 🙂
Hi, James !
Before I retired, couple of months ago, my last ride was a T927 « Astromega », 6-7 ft longer (total = 15 meters) than the 925s or the X25s. Fantastic machine !! (88 pax + kitchen + coffee machine + microwave + 3 fridges + toilet)
You told us about the previous diesel version being « TDX925 ». It's actually « TD925 » or « T925 ». After "9" comes "1O", or X in roman characters.
I drove these here in the US for Beat The Street...one you get used to em they're not too bad..
As a train nut, I find large buses interesting. Having a transportation network comprising both rail and highway (bus) connections provides a good solution to passenger transport. Personnel note, i the Sixties I took Greyhound from San Antonio Texas to San Francisco. Riding a Senicruiser for fifty hours, Then again, two years later on Trailways from Augusta Ga to the Bay Area. Greyhound won the comparison.
Thank you James.
Thank you for the comment Delurkor. I bet you have a lot of stories to tell from your travels.
@@MotorcoachWorld Air Force Brat in the Fifties and Sixties. Family had 2 duty tours in Europe, plus U.S, travels.
There are private bus operators that contract with. AMTRAK already. AMTRAK has some great routes and bad ones but loses money overall. If there was truly a demand for passenger rail services other than museum excursion types, the freight haulers would be scrambling to offer it. Not trying to disparage rail quite the contrary. If there is no market demand for something, you can forget about it. People are always wondering about a high speed train from LA to San Francisco. The best answer I saw was that we have that. It’s called a 737.
@@MotorcoachWorld Do you know what the music is in the background of the video is called 0:07? If you do know it, that be greatly appreciated. Good video.
@@crabbymilton390I mean, high speed is being built in several places here in the US. Even in Texas of all places(still planning phases I think). But we do seem to love our cars. Doesn't help that the auto manufacturers like that, but that's it own whole can of worms.
Excellent video, James. My husband and I, here in the UK thoroughly enjoyed following your electric journey across the USA. Thank you.
It was a good test of the current state of the industry. The industries (battery, charging, etc.) will continue to improve and these extreme uses may become more feasible. I like you pointing out that using the right tool for the job is good. This is not the bus for cross country trips, but may be fine for local or short haul needs. ie. Champaign to Springfield and back
Well done as usual James. That monster certainly isn’t lacking HP and torque. I still think they could offer it with a small diesel or gasoline generator to avoid the long charging times and extra peace of mind at least for AC and heat.
At some point James, please let us know how those TOURRIDER twins are doing and how passengers are reacting to them.
It was exciting and an adventures to follow your family as they journey across the southern US in an electric double decker bus for the first time in history!
I do think ABC should of had a 50-ft charging extension cord and some drive over cable protectors ready for the trip. Short extension cords are on the market for Tesla chargers. I didn't find one for CCS chargers, but ABC could of had one made. It would be bulky without liquid cooling, but assuming a target length of 50-ft the bus could of been parked across the parking lot access lane so as not to be in the way of other charging vehicles and the long extension cord would have allowed switching from one charger to another when chargers didn't work.
This would not be a cheap extension cord costing several thousand dollars to have made and would not have UL or some other consumer product safety testing.
I will always remember this first BEV bus trip across the United States.
As a rider of buses, I've enjoyed watching your videos. I really wish a lot of buses came as BEVs or EVs. The buses that I am around are loud and I love seeing EVs around. That is bad that the bus didn't come with cup holders and I can't wait to start hearing drivers suing their jobs for not letting them drink water on the job.
What a great, enjoyable review. Thanks James!!
Thanks James be blessed fellow bus operator
Wow a non steering tag axel? That's like going back 20-25 years. I remember my first van hooll dubbeldecker, a stickshift that felt like stirring in a pan of soup, I had to lift the axel every tight turn and roundabout because the stiff tag axel would obliterate the brick roads over here(so in Europe that was basically every 10 seconds)
The wheels on the bus go round and round Round and round Round and round The wheels on the bus go round and round All through the town
The biggest problem with long distance electric busses is, after the loading infrastructure, is that it is not feasable with the current driving time regulations in Europe. You can't simply make 1500km in 21hrs with 2 drivers when you have to load 4hrs. But EV busses are good for public transport, school runs etc.
Thanks again James for technical explanation of the TDX 25E Vanhool double decker coach it very interesting to learn about all the aspects involved in operating and charging this vehicle I look forward to more videos from you 😊
Great video as always. From Morris Manitoba
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Alot of us cities use doubly trolly line for electric bases diesal when off trolly
Good stuff!
Regen braking would be good for those i-70 hills ! Lol 🤣 love those star trek inserts
I wish I could have gone with you all on that trip
I wonder if, at main stations (200miles or so apart) there cound be heavy-duty chargers with one cord per battery (plus one for an "accessory battery").
Next time you do a coast to coast tour like this please invite me :)
Perhaps a contest or raffle for a few of us. As long as the route included some steakhouses and rib places.😊
@@crabbymilton390 Hmmm.. Thats an interesting idea lol.
3:25 capacity of passengers... 69 nice😂
Also; even though this thing is a land behemoth i betcha it still steers really good and tight just like all other VHs eh
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Do you know what the music is in the background of the video is called 0:07? If you do know it, that be greatly appreciated. Good videos. 👍🏻
Song: Eyes to see it
Artist: ELFL
@@MotorcoachWorld Thank you so much found it. 👍🏻👍🏻
A question about the charging plugs: Did I get that correct that you ONLY can charge with DC-plugs (fast chargers)? Seen from a European perspective this feels a bit weird. I agree that charging a 600kWh battery from a domestic plug is a bit unrealistic. But at least in Europe 22 kw Type 2 AC (somewhat comparable to SAE J1772 I'd guess) chargers are significantly more common than DC fast chargers. It still takes a long time. But if you drive a group to an amusement park (as an example) and sit around for 6 hours, you can refill 20% SOC of the buses battery, giving you an extra 50 miles. Another plus for AC charging possibility is that relatively long charging cables are possible. And even further - you have an emergency fall back position. So I am really wondering why such an Type 2 AC / SAE J1772 charging option is (arguably) not implemented.
The BEV buses go zap zap zap…
Why can't they make a plug in hybrid buswhere you have a engine so a bus won't get stranded, you can't carry electrical energy like diesal or gasoline on a service truck
Still need to find out why ABC or Vanhool wont sell TX 45 anymore in North America!!! All we have now is the CX or this TDX double decker and I can tell you most bus companies dont want double deckers.
I would imagine the CX was given more premium option packages.
@@crabbymilton390 well I have 3 CX45s in my bus yard right now and can tell you they aren’t premium for comfort. My drivers prefer the TX over the CX. Seats are hard and no cup holders!! Heck I’m using my MCIs for tours now in place of these CX models cuz the drivers hate them for tours. A die hard vanhool driver we have prefers the TX a lot more he said. He doesn’t wanna drive the CX anymore on tours
@@MattySRT I don’t know how old your CX’s are but how hard would it be for VAN-HOOL to offer the same interior options that they had on the now departed TX. They could have the standard versions like the ones you hate them the upgraded versions. It makes sense to have one platform and build on that. Perhaps the TX just wasn’t selling over here.
@@crabbymilton390 my newest TX are 2018. They stopped offering them just before pandemic so 2020. Only CX from there. I have my CXs at ABC now getting retro fitted but it’s not a standard thing. We canceled our 2024 order and now getting. 2 MCIs now
Will they be using the Mega Charger standard in the future? The same standard for electric trucks.
Still gets to me that not many US cities are using double deck buses as city buses
Here at ONTC we have a Temsa ts45E. It's been here a month but they couldn't get it to charge on the Level 3 charger. I'm. Not a fan of the Temsa TS 45 bus(Van Hool knockoff), they turn nice but that's it(Cummins junk, weird TV like dash, and horrible door system)
It’s a nice enough coach. Just maybe still too early to fully replace Diesel .Needs more infrastructure to be viable as a full on highway coach
Good evaluation, for me I don't hate certain products per say, I just think more about prices of say charge cables and other little things, so your thing about Iphone stuff does actually ignite one of the reasons I choose android.
Getting back to the electric v diesel argument, for me I would choose electric if I knew it would do the distances I could be traveling, nothing worse than having to stop driving and pull up at a service area for 3 or 4 hours or however long it takes assuming the charging goes without problems equally and no one unplugs you. It is this security alone which is why I would rather a petrol car, hybrid equally could work. It's not that I don't care about the environment, but for my security of reaching my destination when and need to be at for certain times. Whilst or I may not just run locally 80% of the time for me is not the point, the point again is I might get a call from a relative etc and need to travel and equally find out I got a 3-4 hour delay as I need to plug in to even cover that distance, I might equally decide to go on a random weekend away that again is outside of the range of the car.
My conclusion is if governments stuck to hybrids then most I think would buy into that, it gives them the flexibility to fill up and drive long distances as needed whilst still cutting down on emissions, clearly the electric car/bus market and drivability is no where near close as needed at this time, so hybrids for me would be the obvious way to go, maybe in 30 years time it can be looked at again and hopefully as more and more infrastructure is made available and reliability and securing charging and not have people unplug just because they can, then maybe I could buy into this.
Very eloquently put! Thank you for writing this!
How many watts amps and volts does the batteries put out and what's the motor actually use ?
My tesla has same problem charging for long road trips Fayette County pa has no ev charging of any kind it would be good busness sense that truck stop and convince stores have ev charging. We would grab eats and drinks while charging, you can fuel your diesal coach faster then tesla getting a fast charge. Transit busses can use double trolly system to run and charge and use battery when on back street part of route. Transit operation is different cup of coffee verses charter and fixed routes intercity. Anything less then 600 miles the bus can do better then airlines because of the airport congestion and location check in. Even though run time of airplane is only hour or so take off to touchdown but you get stacked up to wait your turn to take off and land. Small airplanes can save time but getting car or ground transport is harder at odd hours. With tech you can bypass accidents and construction, big planes can't land anywhere the need airport services more then small airplanes😊
Surprised there isn’t one in Uniontown out by WC3, I hardly get down there, and my EV won’t even make it, but to not have one at all is strange.
Hydrogen that's the future 👍
Good morning, James. Hope you are doing well. I am interested in working in your company driving motorcoaches. I drive Transit Type school buses but would like to drive motorcoaches. I am holding cdl b with air brakes and passenger school bus endorsement, but I live in Maryland so in case if I come to work, should I get another CDL B in your state? Thanks.
We are definitely hiring. Find us on indeed or check out the hiring section in our website. PeoriaCharter.com
Glad your a android guy iPhone is so difficult to use
Today I learned it's not spelled VanTTool. 😅
LOL I get that a lot.
Lost my dad yesterday. He got really sick and passed away in the ICU.😭😭😭😭 Keep me in your prayers.
I'm so sorry Roger. That's tough. My thoughts and prayers are with you. If you want to send me a picture of him I will give him a shout out in one of my future videos. If you want to. Email me jwang@peoriacharter.com.
@MotorcoachWorld Thanks for the kind words. 🙏
It's not my real dad, he was my step grandfather I was adopted by. He was 79
Too bad we'll never actually see this bus, maybe jumping into EV technology with both feet was a bad move for Vanhool, oh well, bankruptcy it is 😂😂
EVs still don’t make sense in long haul commercial applications. Hybrids maybe. Hydrogen makes more sense. 676kw battery at 10,000lbs?!
250 miles of charge, on brandy squeaky new batteries, is four hours of driving. One driver’s entire duty time is burned up, with a fully charged bus, driving five hundred miles, with another four hour charge in the middle (presuming there’s a charger there). I mean, conceivably you could tag team coaches for line runs (for us, that’s the I-70/I-80 corridors), and just switch coaches in Harrisburg or State College. When the next run comes through, the first bus will be ready to go.
Other note, I have driven Van Hool Coaches, and absolutely love them. My favourite being Prevost, due to the Volvo powertrain, but Van Hool makes great coaches. The low profile suspension rides fairly rough compared to a single deck coach, but they did good.
Oh, and the weight. Either they have to increase the axle ratings on the coaches to compensate for the extra FIVE TONS, and therefore add even more weight just to carry the weight (and I think the diesels already weigh almost thirty tons) or their payload just evaporated.
As someone whos probably had a exponential amount of seat time in an electric bus compared to the rest of us... would you care to shed any light on the Proterra electric bus company filing chapter 11 despite having MILLIONS of government aid? Politics aside... are electric busses feasable? As a charter company is it something Peoria charter is even remotely considering? I've seen articles about the tesla pepsi trucks touting amazing range but I still cant get over your videos showcasing the struggles of charging with a large electric vehicle. Living here in CA, theres a looming deadline for electric vehicles to become mainstream... do you think its possible? I'm all for innovation but real life use cases like yourself just make it seem like a dream.
Chances are that if those trucks are local delivery types, they have chargers at the terminals. Like school and transit lectrics.(sic)
The reason this has become so political is because the government is forcing people to buy EV's. I live in a state that has banned the sale of new gas powered cars and trucks by 2035. I drive a 2018 vehicle that has to get annual emission's test. But if the vehicle is over 20 years, it's exempt. To the political powers in my state, that's makes sense to them.
Okay, will you still be driving, at that time ? It may be a moot point for you, by then.
@@davidhamm5626 YES- I hope to be driving at that time! This is AMERICA!!!! Don't tell me or my fellow citizens what I can and can't drive! I'm sure my friend the Plumber will need his fleet of vans and trucks to haul his equipment and pull his backhoe! Screw you davidhamm5626!
@@hakanbergvall9777 And pollutes more than my 2018 Toyota. Just proves my point on how stupid politicians are. If they really want to 'save the planet" Start with airplanes!!!!!!!!!
If you live in California, new vehicles dont need to be smogged until 8 years. then its every other year. Unless you are in a different state theres no annual smog test that I know of. Im in southern cali
I think EVs is a good idea, my problem with EVs is the cost,the cost shuts out the poor & lower middle class out of a vehicle that has benefits, second is the safety concerns, I hate to be around those buses when a thermal break down happens and what people don't think about is the magnetic field that battery and motor produces can be a health concern, and third is the environmental impact with the use of cobalt, lithium and other metals, I am not going to get into the forced child labor in many mines where the metals used come from. I am not against EVs ,but as a society 2030 is too soon and there are so many problems that are still needed to be fixed
Have you seen any of these things? I do not watch a lot of news programs, so, I my have missing theses things.
@@davidhamm5626 Maybe you should start watching. Lots of DEISEL goes in to producing a battery! I wonder what the rubber tires on EV's are made from? Brace yourself------O I L
I thought there is magnetic waves come off of batteries too.
@@stevepackard8542 What happened to the rubber trees?
@@stevepackard8542 Magnetic waves need metal to work,.I what you say is true, a compass should follow your phone, and flash lights.
2030 , DemocRat PROPAGANDA 🚞