My gut reaction is always to prefer internal zoom, but my Canon RF 70-200 that has external zoom has held up really well for the last few years with constant abuse so I would imagine this one will be fine.
The "external zoom = dust sucking pump" perception has been overexaggerated by many. RF 70-200Ls and RF100-500L has proven not true if there's proper sealing.
I’ve been an external zoom skeptic after a bad experience with dust trapping in a Fuji 100-400 external supertele zoom. I have been forever scarred and now put a plastic bag over any external zooms I use to prevent dust / water trapping in lens… How do you keep your lens free from dust / water in lens?
I bought this lens because it is so versatile, light and good. Yes it is expensive but I am happy to have 400mm with the converter which wouldn't be possible with the Tamron for example.
@@bioliv1 The results are still pretty good for a Zoom like this. I don't want to buy it, but if I find it used for a decent price it would top my list.
35 really good to this day, new 50 1.8 would be nice, bu the 1.4 is brilliant and its the cheapest g master lens ever. no sure if they want to reduce the value of that.
Always a pleasure watching both of you in your videos. I have to give a humongous shout-out to Lok for explaining focus breathing in such a straightforward way. I've been trying to understand what it is for quite some time, and in the 7 seconds of him explaining it, I instantly understood.
i joke to myself that fuji's bird detection mode is in fact chimney and aerial detection mode, works a treat for that not so much for birds, they were cheating
I thought to get my get first camera with tele lens because ccloser cann covered with iPhone 15, 70-200 f4 can shoot macro which is more capability, butAPSC 70-350 has more zoom, which should i choose? How about Rx100 Vii and RX10 iV, are they worth it, I hope ew version with Exmor T going to release tho. I thought to get 20-70mm F4 and pair with 70-200 F4 but as I realoised closer can cover with iPhone 15, I also noot surre if A7Cii/A7CcR are worth it since the big lens wont get benefit from smaller camera body and the EVF experience isn't going to be as good as full size A7. I also.thought to get Hasselblad X2D with single 28mm (22mm FF eq.) because I love its image quality and color and I can crop in a lot too, I also thought to get Leica Q3 which is good overall in one package, also Leica D Lux 7 which is ggoodd enough in a small beautiful package but I hope fixed lens camera can start at ultrawide with good macro too. I focus on Sony because it has that unique ultrawide to tele 20-70mm F4 lens and I Love Sony more, but if I won't get it but a super tele, should I get other brand? Any other brands has small super tele that has macro too like Sony 70-200mm F4 and good in video with minimum rolling shutter? But I still not sure, any advices and suggestions?
I have the current f4. Considering an upgrade as I moved from a 7iii to an Rv. Not sure about that external zoom though. Perhaps the 2.8.ii is more like me? I don’t do videos and I use my one Zoom for all sorts of photography. Any thoughts on the comparable image quality of 2.8ii v 4ii out there?
Now that this is coming out soon would you say no better time than now to get the V1 of this lens for super cheap? I just came across one today for a steal
@@zegzbrutal because I can get the Sony for really cheap. Plus stabilization is nice to allow you to drop to lower shutter speeds handheld and still get a nice crisp photo. I’m not wanting the tamron. It was a consideration though.
@@tylertakesphotos you are using full frame bodies right? There's ibis to compensate. If you aren't using a7r5 or a6700, you are still upto 5 stops at best. Having one f stop higher is equally beneficial as OSS on the old f4G.
I prefer iOS as tool plus I want to get Apple Watch Ultra too, but I prefer more natural looking photo and video and I think Xperia is the one that can provide, do you think it is wprth to change and use Xperia 1 V as main phone or better get a camera like Sony A7C / C ii with 20 - 70 mm F4, but phone will always be easier and more often to carry, what do you think? For iPhone, I won't get the Pro tho because I love Yellow color and I will get the iPhone 14 6.1' Yellow, but I not sure should I wait and see if iPhone 15 has Yellow color too! Xperia 1 V focus and market more on camera but is still not over the top in picture quality, highlight still blown out, dynamic range still can't beat computational photography, only if theyable t add more OP while still retain their natural looking image quality, try use hsrdware more than software to achieve and improve their image quality but they only add new main camera hardware and no hardware improvement to ultra wide and tele photo, seem missed change or they want to retain them for Xperia 1 VI or else it will be less selling point for the next model, do Sony ever improve the camera quality with software like Samsung after the phone been released for sometime?
I thought to get my get first camera with tele lens because ccloser cann covered with iPhone 15, 70-200 f4 can shoot macro which is more capability, butAPSC 70-350 has more zoom, which should i choose? How about Rx100 Vii and RX10 iV, are they worth it, I hope ew version with Exmor T going to release tho. I thought to get 20-70mm F4 and pair with 70-200 F4 but as I realoised closer can cover with iPhone 15, I also noot surre if A7Cii/A7CcR are worth it since the big lens wont get benefit from smaller camera body and the EVF experience isn't going to be as good as full size A7. I also.thought to get Hasselblad X2D with single 28mm (22mm FF eq.) because I love its image quality and color and I can crop in a lot too, I also thought to get Leica Q3 which is good overall in one package, also Leica D Lux 7 which is ggoodd enough in a small beautiful package but I hope fixed lens camera can start at ultrawide with good macro too. I focus on Sony because it has that unique ultrawide to tele 20-70mm F4 lens and I Love Sony more, but if I won't get it but a super tele, should I get other brand? Any other brands has small super tele that has macro too like Sony 70-200mm F4 and good in video with minimum rolling shutter? But I still not sure, any advices and suggestions?
I just watched Tony Northrup’s review of this lens and it is not sharp at 200mm. I’m really disappointed in the overall image quality. I’ll have to pass.
I am not sure correct to call a macro lens, as it is only half macro, while after all the 100-400 and quite a few other lenses in the line up are a third macro. So the macro on barrel seems just marketing, successful by the number of videos pushing this aspect. I won’t be buying for three reasons, I don’t like extending zooms, I am not a fan of petal hoods, and I already own the F2.8 GMii which is still IMO the better lens. In fact that is my top favourite Sony zoom lens.
Nikon is barely tier 2 now, on a brink of exiting camera business altogether, their imaging business shrank to about 30% of their revenue and market share is 2.5 times less than Sony's.
"Why is it not focusing!?"
"Because it's Panasonic, that's why."
Oh Kai. Violent facts.
S5II almost catch up with Sony on AF and just abuse the shit out is Sony on IBIS.
Kai is rocking a red Reverso. Freaking class choice man!
Yeah i come just for the watches.
My gut reaction is always to prefer internal zoom, but my Canon RF 70-200 that has external zoom has held up really well for the last few years with constant abuse so I would imagine this one will be fine.
The "external zoom = dust sucking pump" perception has been overexaggerated by many. RF 70-200Ls and RF100-500L has proven not true if there's proper sealing.
I’ve been an external zoom skeptic after a bad experience with dust trapping in a Fuji 100-400 external supertele zoom. I have been forever scarred and now put a plastic bag over any external zooms I use to prevent dust / water trapping in lens…
How do you keep your lens free from dust / water in lens?
@@Sparky_oto It's the sealing inside the lens that matters.
I just don't want anything moving externally. It annoys me. At least we don't have those rotating front lenses anymore anywhere.
I’m still using the mark 1 and it holds up well. Prefer internal zoom though so no need to upgrade
Seems great with a 2x converter, you can macro and birding with the same ("compact"ish) lens
70-200? That's one compact piece of slidey outy glass
Canon rf 70-200 f4 way smaller
external is compact but I still like inner zoom
I bought this lens because it is so versatile, light and good. Yes it is expensive but I am happy to have 400mm with the converter which wouldn't be possible with the Tamron for example.
I would rather keep the old length and then have internal zoom instead
So for the 70-200 F/4 G II price you could also get: 70-200mm F/4 G + 90mm F/2.8 G Macro, 70-200mm F/2.8 GM, 200-600mm G.
I bought it for $1400. Soooo… no. It’s cheaper.
@@shrektheogre5430 why did you wait a whole year? In the UK it's still $2,103 but I'm guessing you got it on sale in the US?
Love the chilled out review style 👍🏻
Been following your videos since 12+ years - keep up the great work !
Awesome lens.
There's strong Sony vs Panasonic undercurrent in this video.
This lens is also macro? This is insane!
Only half macro.
@@bioliv1 The results are still pretty good for a Zoom like this. I don't want to buy it, but if I find it used for a decent price it would top my list.
@@ShiroKage009 Maybe in 2030 you will?
@@bioliv1 I mean, sure. I don't need this right now, so I'm not in any hurry.
Sony is going through the whole lens range? I hope they do the 50mm and 35mm 1.8's next. I don't think they've ever been updated
35 really good to this day, new 50 1.8 would be nice, bu the 1.4 is brilliant and its the cheapest g master lens ever. no sure if they want to reduce the value of that.
Great job on the video folks! Thanks for making it.
Always a pleasure watching both of you in your videos. I have to give a humongous shout-out to Lok for explaining focus breathing in such a straightforward way. I've been trying to understand what it is for quite some time, and in the 7 seconds of him explaining it, I instantly understood.
Came for the review and sample photos, left laughing at your comedy.
Seems everyone complains about external zooming…if it’s an issue what are you doing for a 100-400 lens (or larger)?
i joke to myself that fuji's bird detection mode is in fact chimney and aerial detection mode, works a treat for that not so much for birds, they were cheating
Kai waiting on your A6700 review…..
This Lens is awesome for Macro, the bonus is you get a quality native E-mount 70-200.
I thought to get my get first camera with tele lens because ccloser cann covered with iPhone 15, 70-200 f4 can shoot macro which is more capability, butAPSC 70-350 has more zoom, which should i choose? How about Rx100 Vii and RX10 iV, are they worth it, I hope ew version with Exmor T going to release tho. I thought to get 20-70mm F4 and pair with 70-200 F4 but as I realoised closer can cover with iPhone 15, I also noot surre if A7Cii/A7CcR are worth it since the big lens wont get benefit from smaller camera body and the EVF experience isn't going to be as good as full size A7. I also.thought to get Hasselblad X2D with single 28mm (22mm FF eq.) because I love its image quality and color and I can crop in a lot too, I also thought to get Leica Q3 which is good overall in one package, also Leica D Lux 7 which is ggoodd enough in a small beautiful package but I hope fixed lens camera can start at ultrawide with good macro too. I focus on Sony because it has that unique ultrawide to tele 20-70mm F4 lens and I Love Sony more, but if I won't get it but a super tele, should I get other brand? Any other brands has small super tele that has macro too like Sony 70-200mm F4 and good in video with minimum rolling shutter? But I still not sure, any advices and suggestions?
I wonder if Sony will make a 28-300 lens like Tamron and Nikon
Why? They’ll charge $3000 and nobody will buy it from them
@@ze3bar Maybe but ya never know
5:42 what a SHOT.
that detail and sharpness *chef kiss
I have the current f4. Considering an upgrade as I moved from a 7iii to an Rv. Not sure about that external zoom though. Perhaps the 2.8.ii is more like me? I don’t do videos and I use my one Zoom for all sorts of photography. Any thoughts on the comparable image quality of 2.8ii v 4ii out there?
Damn that detail and MFD.
Kai w the goat when i saw the post on instagram of sony alpha i immediately opened youtube and searched your channel for the review ⚡️⚡️
Now that this is coming out soon would you say no better time than now to get the V1 of this lens for super cheap? I just came across one today for a steal
The G1 was not a quick focusing lens
@@zegzbrutal and?
@@tylertakesphotos why aren't you going for Tamron 70-180 instead?
@@zegzbrutal because I can get the Sony for really cheap. Plus stabilization is nice to allow you to drop to lower shutter speeds handheld and still get a nice crisp photo. I’m not wanting the tamron. It was a consideration though.
@@tylertakesphotos you are using full frame bodies right? There's ibis to compensate. If you aren't using a7r5 or a6700, you are still upto 5 stops at best.
Having one f stop higher is equally beneficial as OSS on the old f4G.
So Kai where is the new 16-50? Or the new 10-18 or the new 16/2,8, which all have been really bad lenses and I have them all.
I own the original FE 70-200/4...I am not a fan of external focus...The old one serves me well.
Love seeing you guys together. Plus I'm hating the TH-cam algorithm lately by it not showing me your vids on my feed 😢
Nice bracelet Kai!
Wow, that lens looks a lot like another that I've seen from Canon that released back in 1995...
Do you think the Version 1 would have the same affect with a Macro adapter?
Great informative video, with some comedy 😅
Is that shutter sound fake?
Would you pick the Sony 70-200 F4 II or Tamron 70-180 F2.8 II (A065)? I cannot make up my mind...
i just need a macro, which sony one to choose? price don't matter. thanks!
Sony actually makes a macro lense. Get that. Sony 90mm 2.8 Macro G lens.
2:21 what bag is that again
Is that a Reverso?
NDAs on lenses?
wow , another very expensive package but very compact. kind of cute
Looks like you scratched it when you put it in the bag!
What camera is that
I'd rather if it had internal zoom. External looks cheap IMO.
Cover the Viltrox lens ?!
Very excited for about 1:20 there😂
I'm a Sony user. Love their lens. At this stage, it is unforgivable to have a tripod foot that isn't arca-swiss compatible.
I'll go with the Tamron 70-180 f2.8
Cool lens!
Panasonic Shows low self esteem in front of Sony
Looks about the same size as Canon f2.8 version 🙂
Keep it. No way it's worth that kind of money for an f4 and external zoom.... Nope not having that.
Shorty but still thick; so they made it more choady.
It's a grower, not a show-er.
This lens might sound amazing, but the price difference would make me get the version 1.0. Or look for used V1 even cheaper.
Some lenses are growers not showers😅
This camera is a grower, not a shower!
Lol 🤣🤣🤣 for Panasonic focusing issues. Obviously it's happening only when Sony is around 😊
классные возможности макро😍
I would love this lens but the price in germany kills me. Its almost Double the price of the original. No thanks!
I prefer iOS as tool plus I want to get Apple Watch Ultra too, but I prefer more natural looking photo and video and I think Xperia is the one that can provide, do you think it is wprth to change and use Xperia 1 V as main phone or better get a camera like Sony A7C / C ii with 20 - 70 mm F4, but phone will always be easier and more often to carry, what do you think? For iPhone, I won't get the Pro tho because I love Yellow color and I will get the iPhone 14 6.1' Yellow, but I not sure should I wait and see if iPhone 15 has Yellow color too! Xperia 1 V focus and market more on camera but is still not over the top in picture quality, highlight still blown out, dynamic range still can't beat computational photography, only if theyable t add more OP while still retain their natural looking image quality, try use hsrdware more than software to achieve and improve their image quality but they only add new main camera hardware and no hardware improvement to ultra wide and tele photo, seem missed change or they want to retain them for Xperia 1 VI or else it will be less selling point for the next model, do Sony ever improve the camera quality with software like Samsung after the phone been released for sometime?
Always camera over phone. There's no comparison.
I thought to get my get first camera with tele lens because ccloser cann covered with iPhone 15, 70-200 f4 can shoot macro which is more capability, butAPSC 70-350 has more zoom, which should i choose? How about Rx100 Vii and RX10 iV, are they worth it, I hope ew version with Exmor T going to release tho. I thought to get 20-70mm F4 and pair with 70-200 F4 but as I realoised closer can cover with iPhone 15, I also noot surre if A7Cii/A7CcR are worth it since the big lens wont get benefit from smaller camera body and the EVF experience isn't going to be as good as full size A7. I also.thought to get Hasselblad X2D with single 28mm (22mm FF eq.) because I love its image quality and color and I can crop in a lot too, I also thought to get Leica Q3 which is good overall in one package, also Leica D Lux 7 which is ggoodd enough in a small beautiful package but I hope fixed lens camera can start at ultrawide with good macro too. I focus on Sony because it has that unique ultrawide to tele 20-70mm F4 lens and I Love Sony more, but if I won't get it but a super tele, should I get other brand? Any other brands has small super tele that has macro too like Sony 70-200mm F4 and good in video with minimum rolling shutter? But I still not sure, any advices and suggestions?
Lens hood bracelet 😂😂😂
I would rather an internally zoom lens, less dust intake and smoother zoom ring.
I just watched Tony Northrup’s review of this lens and it is not sharp at 200mm. I’m really disappointed in the overall image quality. I’ll have to pass.
Panasonic Video AF is atrocious.
the biggest advantage of this lens is that Canon users will think you have a 2.8 version because of the size.
I am not sure correct to call a macro lens, as it is only half macro, while after all the 100-400 and quite a few other lenses in the line up are a third macro. So the macro on barrel seems just marketing, successful by the number of videos pushing this aspect. I won’t be buying for three reasons, I don’t like extending zooms, I am not a fan of petal hoods, and I already own the F2.8 GMii which is still IMO the better lens. In fact that is my top favourite Sony zoom lens.
It's a good lens, but a bit to expensive for a f4.
I call these “horse’s c*ck” lenses for obvious reasons… don’t like them - prefer the internal zoom of the Mk 1
… men, the worse AF in this video - bah! 🤦♂️
How he holding the camera is triggering me.
Looks very cheap, and probably has quality issues. I prefer to stay with tier 1 brands like Nikon or Canon.
Tier 1 according to who?
Go home, you're drunk.
Nikon is barely tier 2 now, on a brink of exiting camera business altogether, their imaging business shrank to about 30% of their revenue and market share is 2.5 times less than Sony's.