@@gyangting we are in a music channel so we are talking about music, i do not want anyone to lose their job, i think machines (long time ago) and now Ai should pay taxes (their owners corp) so we the people who need to eat and all this human things can live and do arts by getting granted a basic income from government paid by these greedy corporations
@@gyangting If you had machines doing things for you ,then there would be no need for money nor jobs. Do you like breaking your back, just so you can pay taxes to the people that do not care bout you?
I am a music producer myself and I can say with certainty that all music producers are inspired by other music. And that in the broadest sense of the word. Anyone who says he doesn't is lying. So why can't a computer do the same? There are relatively few people who make money making music compared to the number of people who make music. 99% have never made money making music, but they put a lot of time into it. Perhaps professional music makers are a bit spoiled, because they get money for pursuing a hobby while others do the same without getting any money for it. And maybe the others do it even better. When you do something for money, you have to accept that the world is constantly changing and maybe at some point what you do is no longer so important. That happens in every industry. I would say adapt and move on.
As a game developer I know it won't be long until they do the same with games. Guess I will have to just settle with making what I want to make regardless of AI.
Exactly @lennysmileyface and let me just say that you may even find AI useful to you and help you make what you want to make. There's certain things AI can do that you might not have thought of. You can always use AI to iterate out ideas - and pick out parts you like, and then reproduce and integrate them into your gamem music using your traditional workflow. the most important thing about art and music is that the artist is able to translate their imagination into reality and make what they want to hear or say what they want to say. Whether or not society rewards that with money should have no bearing over what you make - or else you are no longer making your own art - you're simply creating a commodity chosen by market forces which inevitably alienates you from your work and makes you disinterested and not put soul into it. It's better when people make art because they wanted to make it not because it's what someone else is willing to pay for - in that case its not your own art its the customers' art that you're just being directed to make for them.
@@fast_harmonic_psychedelic Yeah I definitely agree. I have a vision for the game I want to make. If it made money it would be nice but if not at least I made something.
agreed i have some same mindset. im interested in doing everything. when i first decided to try to learn how to use google colab it was surprising going from thinking i would never be able to program anything to knowing python just because i was forced to learn it in order to train a marxist GPT-2. then dalle and clip came out and some early art generators and i just adapted to it so fast.. at this point i feel like I can do anything. Any problem i have or code i dont know how to write i can just ask bing or chatgpt to write that part of the code and it always works. nothing is out of my reach. Soon I'm going to figure out how to get AI to control the python terminal in blender and see what it can do.. Im also making psytrance by hand in the daw, making animated psychedelic music videos that react to the psytrance, and also making AI music singing About me making music videos and making psytrance lol. or making ai music about the pharmacy i go to being super reliable and fast - at the red light on my way to the pharmacy, then showing the pharmacist the song when i got there and her telling me to send it to her and gave me her personal number lol.. Its not a threat to me -- its just fun and usually funny to make. I have no illusions that i can somehow monetize AI music. Why should i make money on something i put no effort or time into? The way i see it- AI music should not be commercialized, people should just make AI music to make the music - not to get some cash reward .. i just enjoy hearing the music that didnt exist.. I wanted a song that sang by two singers male and female, the female in english the male in russian, both are hypersonic missiles in a love affair , she loves him but he explains that his trajectory is set in stone and cannot be altered. she says his hypersonic speed is her creed. Lol This would NEVER EXIST if i didnt create it with AI but now it does exist and some day someone will find it as funny as i do, and we'll listen to it while hanging out and have laughs over it .. What else is there besides moments like this lol.. what is this "industry" and "careers" i hear so much about - sounds like a real dream lol. The comments in this video look like true happiness lol... Capitalism destroys everything good but you dont need to slave art to the service of capitalism, instead you should slave capitalism to the service of art like I do :P @@lennysmileyface
Agreed, I share a similar mindset. I’m interested in doing everything. When I first decided to learn how to use Google Colab, it was surprising to go from thinking I would never be able to program anything to knowing Python, just because I was forced to learn it to train a Marxist GPT-2. Then DALL-E and CLIP came out, along with some early art generators, and I adapted to them so fast. At this point, I feel like I can do anything. Any problem I have or code I don’t know how to write, I can just ask Bing or ChatGPT to write that part of the code, and it always works. Nothing is out of my reach. Soon, I’m going to figure out how to get AI to control the Python terminal in Blender and see what it can do. I’m also making psytrance by hand in the DAW, creating animated psychedelic music videos using AI that react to the psytrance and create something like a dmt trip, and even making AI music singing about me making music videos and making psytrance. like all of this is just because it was cool and i wanted to make it and do it my way. Or making AI music about the pharmacy I go to being super reliable and fast - at the red light on my way to the pharmacy, then showing the pharmacist the song when I got there, and her telling me to send it to her and giving me her personal number. It’s not a threat to me-it’s just fun and usually funny to make. I have no illusions that I can somehow monetize AI music. Why should I make money on something I put no effort or time into? The way I see it, AI music should not be commercialized; people should just make AI music for the sake of the music, not to get some cash reward. I just enjoy hearing the music that didn’t exist before. I wanted a song sung by two singers, male and female, the female in English, the male in Russian, both are hypersonic missiles in a love affair. She loves him, but he explains that his trajectory is set in stone and cannot be altered. She says his hypersonic speed is her creed. This would NEVER EXIST if I didn’t create it with AI, but now it does exist, and someday someone will find it as amusing as I do, and we’ll listen to it while hanging out and have a good time over it. What else is there besides moments like this? What is this “industry” and “careers” I hear so much about - sounds like a real dream. The comments in this video look like true happiness… Capitalism destroys everything good, but you don’t need to enslave art to the service of capitalism; instead, you should enslave capitalism to the service of art, like I do. 😄
I'm a graphic designer and webprogrammer for 20 years. My biggest hobbie is music. My world is actually turned upside down. It's pretty wild to process. Implemented a lot of AI into my workflow, it makes stuff easier now but I know their are so many people that will be affected by this. The biggest thing is that it gives me a huge feeling of disrespect to ... hard to explain ... mankind. It's like washing away all the conciseness, the admiration for real art. I guess you know my I mean. I need stop writing and talk to Chat GPT about my crazy thoughts ... Wish you the best!
I think it feels like that becasue of the initial influx of "garbage content" not becasue AI is bad but more becasue people are literally trying to produce "digital waste" that no one really enjoys. But that's like social media being filled with shiitposters. The quality of the content is dependant on the one producing it.
Give ME a FN Break!!!!!!!!!! ALL the Holier than thoug "Artists"! YOU use sysnthesizers, DAWs. computer generated intruments from guitars to drums and MORE when YOU create your songs! YOU do NOT create songs totally devoid of help from Computers and the AI is just an extension of that. BOTTOM line is that it will mean MORE people can become song writers writing their own lyrics who do not know how to play an instrument or pay for their own band. And for live bands it means they now have an OVER abundance of songs that they can sing live by making deals with the song writers. The Genie is out of the bottle and it cannot be put back in. AI will enhance artists and not kill them!
Coders are becoming obsolete also now. Amazon just laid off hundred of its coders. Ai code generators can produce about the code about 50-75% of the way now and its only getting better every year. We will still always need people to oversee it but far less than before.
I started writing songs not long ago and SUNO brought my stories to life. But I am not in any way pretending to be a musician, or an artist. I just don't have the gift and the knowledge that you have. Real musicians are needed, and I am sure that after the initial fad, customers will learn the difference between truly custom and randomly generated. Keep it up man, and please do not give up because that's the only true death of music as we know it. Respect.
I am a musician, and AI is helping me a lot. Now I have an infinite amount of original music to cover and play live, without worrying about copyrights. And instead of singing songs about broken hearts and gangsta rap, I can sing cover songs about whatever I want.
I've been a music producer all my life, I've released many many records and I think you should just embrace it. There's no way we're going back, this is just the start. Onwards.
You mean, into video generative AI software that is already in developement and will pop out within weeks/months. AI will soon (very, very soon) replace EVERY single creative aspect of humanity. We're talking about 8bn plumbers, picker-packers and bus drivers because we will end up exclusively with physical jobs available.
It will still take talented human minds to choose the best of the AI clip generations and put them together properly. If nobody is trained to play an instrument at an early age or trained in music theory, these minds will not exist.
Make better movies? If people can make a more intersting film in a few minutes on their laptop, then I'd rather watch that. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
First ChatGPT came for the copywriters, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a copywriter. Then MidJourney came for the graphic designers, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a graphic designer. Then Udio came for the musicians, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a musician. Then AI came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Want a sci-fi about the shit that'll happen when GenAI gets our brainwaves? Check out my novel Above Dark Waters. I played with it and it was scary (Some examples on my channel). It was the first time something was 'catchy'. MJ was cool, and ChatGPT kind of bland, but the songs here caught a share of my mind.
What will it mean? Only acoustic instruments played in real time by human musicians? What about multitracking? What is "real singing" and where's the line on that - multiple takes, punch-ins, EQ sweetening, autotune? What about synths? Synths with sequencers? Professional recording engineer, or a basement musician using an AI mixing tool? It's not going to be as it was.
No it won't. People couldn't care less how something is made. They will choose the product that best suits their needs regardless of how it's made or who made it.
Thank you for this. I can't tell you how powerfully this hit me. I am a retired software engineer (not AI) and a lifelong violin and guitar player. And recently mandolin. I have enjoyed recording with DAW's for many years, including a lot of work with both external and plugin synthesizers. I had been thinking of re-tooling up and looking to make a modest supplement to my income as a producer via mostly digital tools. I agree, this is now out the window. I may still play in the digital recording world, but I will spend most or my time playing instruments in various groups, sometimes in a show situation. but mostly amateur -- in the original sense of the word -- jams with friends. Passion is still there, but any idea of financial reward is now reckoned out. Listening to you felt like listening to part of my own brain, so thanks again and good luck.
100% agree with you. Artists, composers, producers, all of us who dedicate ourselves to art, are literally dead (professionally and economically speaking). And in reality, the fault is not the AI, it is society itself that does not care about the artists, it only wants the product, fast, simple and cheap. We are facing the chronicle of a death foretold. Sorry for my English. Greetings from Spain.
We are fine in my opinion. People can adapt to technology. Orchestral music became less productive when computers took over music, but music itself didn't die. We made a new art form
Is it going to replace my lovely park walks , is it going to replace my amazing swim moments , is it going to replace my taste for the best food ? Is it going to replace my joy to see a live band at a festival ? Is it going to replace my quality time with my loved ones ? How exactly is AI gonna replace all that in my live ? I guess it is not ! Not at all !
Authenticity is dying. Everything is becoming a cheap imitation. Soon I will have a replicant for a wife, listening to AI music, eating a lab grown burger.
Ça change rien pour les artistes de talent si ils sont capables de reproduire sur scène avec des musiciens parce que de nos jours les maisons disques vous signent plus vous laisse seul à tout faire un studio d'enregistrement ça coûte minimum 100000€ Et une heure d'enregistrement c'est 50 € ,................... Pour finir un morceau il faut plusieurs jours .......
Hello Paul, thank you very much for this video. In my opinion, the chord progressions and arrangements created by SUNO and UDIO are already far above the level of many, many amateur home recording colleagues, including the semi-professionals. There is a sell-off of the last bit of creativity going on. It may be a "great toy" for everyone, even for my six-year-old granddaughter, for example, but the situation for music producers is likely to get worse in the future. I think it is increasingly unlikely that you will be able to earn a fair living with your own music at some point. For those who only do it as a hobby anyway and whose songs more or less just end up in a drawer, it doesn't really matter. Whether they continue to put together their own songs or just press a button and have complete songs created automatically is actually completely irrelevant. Conclusion: total sell-off of music, for just a few cents per song.
"Whether they continue to put together their own songs or just press a button and have complete songs created automatically is actually completely irrelevant." It may be irrelevant for you, but certainly not for them. There are people who don't see art purely as a business.
As a hobbyist music producer I still see great value and joy in making music. Nobody cares about my tracks and likely never will, but I enjoy creating way more than just pressing a button That said, try creating something specific. I actually just spent about an hour with Suno and made several great options. But you can use it creatively: eg find the right genre, find good lyrics (create your own), make sketches. I can actually see it as a great sketchpad before committing to a song and doing exactly what you want manually. It would be interesting if Ableton for example had it integrated and was producing actual tracks with full plugin settings and later allowing to tweak. That would be next level. Perhaps they are working on it :)
@@arseniharkunou tools will become available with these services for professionals to output stems, upload their own content and vocals to 'transform'. Probably at extra cost. Nothing is free in life and expecting to hold a music career indefinitely is delusional.
Yeah I feel like a vacation I have been on an emotional roller coaster for a little while it feels like I have a difficult to understand emotion with AI I love how interesting and mind-blowing this technology is but I feel like it hits my ego kind of makes me feel useless I know I'm going to still create music because I love creating music it's just I won't have it as a job probably anymore hopefully I start getting a universal paycheck and that means we all get paid vacation and then we get to do whatever we want in our free time which I'm still going to make music and ambience and I'm still going to make films and other projects I don't think AI is going to change my objectives it might make my goals easier to achieve as well maybe we'll even have human-based platforms and museums and art appreciation for human art and it will all be funded by AI
If only. It's back to regular jobs for us all, making some asshole boss or capitalist rich. After all, in their eyes, that's what humans are there for.
Interesting topic. I just wanna get opinion, This is the situation. Jack is an artist. Famous one. He performed Live concert with thousand people watching. One fanatic named Kyle recorded one of the song into his iphone. after concert , Kyle was really inspired by Jack music style. He watch the video he recorded at concert again and again and practice try to learn the same music style. After few years of practice he managed to become pro and finally made his own album (not copying Jack) rather inspired version which he added with other style he learn all the years past. When interview by forbes, a question forwared to kyle, who inspired you? then Kyle says well its Jack from the live concert fews years back. See this is valid case in music industry. Now suno ai (Generative ai) actually seems using the same model, however it can do it just in 5 seconds with super cheap. Just because it can learn and produce faster, it become threat to all artist in the world? Just becuase real artist cant keep up with the same speed, suddenly it become threat and should have a motion to against it? Remember not only music industry lost their job, programmers, content creator, journalist many more face the same fate. Why their voice not being heard? because they are normal people that doesnt show up on screen. while artist have the position to influence much more audiences. To put it in simple terms, artist think that they are so special and the rest of the people with their job being threaten by Ai should adapt but NOT Artist. Just a humble opinion.
A lot of musicians lost their jobs when recording music was invented. Movie theaters used to have live musicians. AI was inevitably going to happen as long as technology kept advancing.
Yes and people needs to adapt. It is only bad for the people who can't adapt but for people who are using this technology its good. Unfortunately with this kind of technology everyone can now create their own music. So if you are trying to fight this kind of technology and you are a musician, then you are against everyone now. Because that is the real sense of all this complains... musicians do not want other people to be capable of creating their own music because if everyone can do it then who needs them right??
21:15 Where are the protests? Illustrators and photographers have been protesting since 2022, there's a class action lawsuit going on that has FINALLY been greenlit despite stability and midjourney pleading for dismissal, the data poisoning tools are being developed as well as detection tools to recognize AI generated imagery. The problem though is that this whole time everyone's been ignoring this issue and happily supporting Midjourney and the likes of it because suddenly they were able to get album covers, book covers, t-shirts designs etc for the price of cheap sibscription. Some would say the time to protest has already passed, people have voted with their wallets directly supporting companies that are now developing AIs to replace them. Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay optimistic and seeing more and more groups of people being impacted by this I'm hoping we'll collectively start rejecting anything that was made with generative AI making it unprofitable for anyone to release products made with AI so that human creation and art can continue to thrive. PS. I feel like we illustrators were at the same place that musicians are today two years ago when Midjourney dropped. So yeah, two years and I'm proud to let you know that many of us are still working. I'm still drawing full-time, I even began experiencing an interest in my traditional drawings. Sure, some people lost clients, but I'm hearing of plenty of artists getting even more jobs because clients are starting to look for something that "doesn't look so much AI-ish". So perhaps it's not all doom and gloom, I think this mainly impacts the stock markets where you don't need anything specific or unique. PS2. Greetings from Warsaw :)
If you want to stop things using AI. You wont have social media even TH-cam, probably the new phones too or any smart devices... because guess what they are all using AI. So I suggest you to stop using anything that uses AI. So why are you here on youtube? TH-cam has taken a big percentage of entertainment industry from other mediums, don't you know that? Me? I love youtube and I plan to just adapt with the changes. Be true to yourself you just complain on the things that affects you.
@3102nzain I think you're misunderstanding a bit, no one says boycott all AI, this is just about generative AI. There are AIs being used to speed up science and medical research, to help us understand animal communication better, pretty sure no sane person would be against that.
@@ArucardPL Bro the video is about AI stealing humans work from them specifically about music generating AI... so why just focus on music generating AI right? My point is all AI's work can be done by humans but thousand times faster. And I think you said AI is being use to speed up research to help us, right? Music generating AI is speeding up making music for everyone too. Do you see the similarity?Before youtube, only film makers, actors etc can make their own shows... now everyone is capable to make their own content, their own show, their own films. You know what, youtube uses AI too. Do you know how much percentage is affected by youtube on other entertainment mediums, like TV, radio etc? It is big bro. Everyone is trying to adapt bro not just the music creators. Also many people will benefit from this AI generating tools because they can now create their own music. Before music creators can monopolize the music industry because some people can't create their own music. Probably because they do not have the money to buy instruments, do not have the tools to create good music. But now it is a lot cheaper to make. We are now capable to express how we feel by making our own music and listen to the music we created. Example me I love listening to the music and songs that I created by using this AI tools. It makes me remember my childhood and my experiences in life. Isn't it a good AI technology to have? Taking it away means I have no choice but to listen to other people's music. Should I just wait for a good song to be created, the kind that speaks to me? Or create one myself?
@@razorgarf Like most, you haven't recalibrated your futurizing neurons for the age of AI. Crank the "exponentially" knob up a level or two, and you'll hit the correct two to three months prediction
TL;DR - The cream will rise to the top. People that can write music but can't sing can now create music. Came from a generational musical family from Motown. I've seen things come, go and stay. Live sessions musicians, synthesized sounds, auto-tune, then fruity loops. It's okay. Music isn't everyone's thing. It takes me at least 3 hours to make a good song with Suno or Udio. It takes me less than that in a studio.
@@reno419rockstar I spend a couple of days in Udio churning out tracks attempting to guide it towards full length songs. Right now it is so unpredictable it is hard work to get any output that fits my ideal of how the song should progress (from beginning to end). I kinda gave up. It is very unfriendly towards those who want more creative control over it's paramaters and output. Hopefully that will improve with time though. I want to be able to output stems, upload my own works to 'transform'. Use my own vocals etc.
@@Mopantsu The things you want will all happen, probably sooner than you think, and hopefully there will be GPU based tools that run locally too. The people who stand to lose the most from new AI music tools like suno and udio aren't the composers, they're companies like Reason Studios, Ableton and Image line. Those companies will be forced to adapt or die, much like how Adobe was forced to add AI powered autofill to photoshop, or be left in the dust by image generators. Right now these web services are just toys, but t hey are very nice toys, and very solid proof of concept for a better suite of actual tools. It's really only just beginning.
Let's think about this for a moment, a musician comes along and writes a new song and that song has a fresh and different style, so a new genre is born. This genre takes off say like house or techno did, next thing you know 1000's of other musicians are writing tracks using similar sounds and beats. Are these musicians plagiarising the guy that came up with the new genre? Just to be clear, I run a small recording studio and write my own music in my down time. If AI and the androids to come that it will be installed in are writing tracks for commercials, corporate video's etc it will leave the real musicians time to write what they want. I know that I would be much happier writing my own personal tracks than composing some cheesy track for a pizza commercial. While AI is proving that it can do more and more things a human can let's not forget it will also be cleaning toilets , working down a mine shaft, emptying our garbage bins and waiting on us hand and foot. So ultimately we will have more time to do what we enjoy, yes it will take a lot of jobs but the decision making and the main creativity will be left to humans and we will have more time for these activities. If I load up Chat GPT on my computer and stare at it for a week it will do absolutely nothing, but if I give it the right prompt or ask it the right question it can do wonders. The only problem I see with it is the fact that it can be abused by the wrong people and this is what really needs to be regulated and prevented by incorporating the appropriate safety measures within the software. Man was never meant to fly....... Just saying. It's another tool to speed up productivity, I have played with these music models myself and they have impressed the hell out of me as to how good they sound BUT generate 10 or 20 songs using the same prompt and you will start to hear a mass produced flavor to the songs, most of the good tracks that make it to the charts have something unique about them that makes them interesting. Yes there are some that just ride a wave of the genre but if that is what some people want to listen to that's fine too. As mentioned, drum machines and synthesisers were considered evil by traditional musicians back in the late 70's and beyond, now they are totally acceptable when writing and recording tracks. It's an interesting time with the introduction of AI at the moment and one that I know will go down in history as a major turning point in our development as a species. I embrace it and look forward to the things that are to come, both musical and otherwise. I hope you got value out of my 2 cents worth and no this was not an AI generated response 🙂 Write something new and interesting and they will listen to it!
I’m old as dirt and have a hard time listening to a lot of modern music because almost every track reminds me of something I listened to 20-30 years ago. Let’s see if AI can create a new CCR or Bob Dylan .
As an author, I understand the challenge of increasing competition. But just as writers continue despite the influx of new books, musicians must also adapt. Many people don't want to create-they want to consume. Readers read, listeners listen, and viewers watch. Now, there’s more content than ever, and entertainment's rapid pace has caught up with musicians. This isn't new. Other industries have faced similar disruptions, often aided by AI. Musicians have benefited from these changes, even as other jobs were lost. The key is adapting, just as those before you did by utilizing new technologies. Real artists will always be in demand, especially for live performances. AI-generated music, which cannot be copyrighted, offers new opportunities. Artists can cover and publish more content without legal issues. The need for traditional setups-bands, studios, producers-diminishes. This evolution raises the question: what are we losing versus what are we gaining? For me as a writer, AI means more competition. But competition isn't new; it’s a constant for indie authors and small bands alike. What's exciting is the ability to create books, images, and music with minimal experience in these other fields. AI empowers us to produce and market our work affordably, expanding our creative reach. Consumers benefit from this explosion of creativity, gaining more choices in entertainment. While anyone can create with AI, the demand for genuine artistry remains. Live performances, in particular, gain value. Artists can use AI to enhance their work, breaking through previous limitations. Personally, I’ve used AI to write lyrics, produce music, and create visuals for my characters-things that were financially out of reach before. AI tools have enabled me to bring my artistic vision to life affordably. This accessibility has opened doors for many who couldn’t afford traditional artistic resources. AI-created images using tools like MidJourney offer unique character depictions that aren’t possible with stock photos or hired models. This exclusivity was unattainable before AI. I empathize with the challenges artists face today. Accept the reality and use AI to your advantage. There's always a new niche waiting to be discovered. Embrace AI to enhance your artistry and outperform the competition. Adapt and thrive, as creatives have done with every technological advancement. Let's seize this opportunity and evolve together.
Well put, I agree. Live performances is where the money in the music industry is going to go. Ai can't stage dove into a crowd or cry during a moving performance. That's where the artistry of music will live on forever.
I just made a djent, death metal, jazz piano, funk, quartet song on Suno, which turned out to be so much more interesting and creative than the bland insipid crap I hear on the radio these days. I see it as nothing more than a tool for my musical arsenal.
Well you got the point there my friend. You made your own song using AI and creators like this one on the video doesn't want that to happen. Because if everyone can make their own song, then he can't make money anymore selling his own song. Making songs won't be profitable anymore for him. Because AI can make songs cheaper and faster and more personalized to your liking and he can't compete with that. But he will realized that he just needs to accept it and adapt. He cant do anything to stop it.
Actually in a way this rise in AI is going to destroy the capitalist market, and good riddance. Music will come back to being fun and something that everyone can participate in. As you say, home studio artists are fine, it's the mainstream market that is being replaced. So much talent out there is being wasted, talented musicians selling their souls and their talent to the corporate world. Making corporate jingles and corporate movie soundtracks that trick us into feeling all sorts of things, usually with the intention of making profit from us. I don't watch the ads and mainstream stuff anyway. Let AI take those jobs. Artists are now given a new set of tools and instruments to create with. I am really excited to hear what sorts of mind blowing audio experiences are on the horizon.
That's life. People need to get a grip and get with it. The truth is the music indrutry and "pros" have sucked for a long time, this just devalued the suck. Now people have no option but to get better or disappear. Which is a GOOD THING.
I think so too. I also think soon it will be obvious what is AI and what is not. It’s just a hype for a while and it’ll go back to the background and being used as a tool. Which it is
I feel like all music makers should band together, make a joint fund and withdraw all human made music behind a paywall. They can all get fucked with their AI machines. No computer is bigger than the Source of our creativity. This was a super satisfying video to watch - thanks for making it!
it's unstoppable, every job, no matter whether musician, artist, doctor, police, scholar, accountant or programmer, everyone will be replaced by AI. In other words, everyone on this planet will lose their job, or at least their current job sooner or later. That's not a problem of AI or technology, it's a problem of capitalism and social policies.
Although capitalism has its downsides (Human Greed) it also bought the price of guitars and music equipment down through mass production and private enterprise. The pop music industry from rock to hip hop was not birthed under communist regimes and it’s improbable that it ever could.
y'all need to quit fuckin doom saying... literally nothing an AI can do with music is going to be better than one a human can do, they simply don't have the means. Not to mention AI in it's current form is wildly unsustainable, it's gonna slow down and eventually not even be worried about
My problem is the attitude that these "artists" have regarding their particular medium, whether it's visual art, music, or anything else the AI is now intruding on, they take this elitist standpoint as if they are the sole purveyors and gatekeepers of creativity. I've been using AI for well over a year now, and the stuff that I produce visually, even the few things that I produced using Suno, I enjoy immensely. The thing these artists forget, is that not everybody is a highly educated or well experienced artist that enjoys the subtleties and nuances of whatever art medium there enjoying at the moment. These elitist attitude artists need to realize that 99.99% of the population just wants to hear a good song that makes him feel good, or see a pretty picture that they can say "hey that's cool". Once these artists get off their soapbox, and start embracing this new tool, they'll be able to produce things that the regular lay person will not be able to.
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Making speeches, pictures, music, all that is nothing but clownish entertainment. I will not be impressed with AI until it comes up with a hair growing remedy that actually works. That would be a REAL revolution!
The only thing 'bad' is what they create. It is not listenable, but, as it gets better, what's to complain about? We will have better music to accompany us through life (including from human composers and producers (and performers) who have to raise their artistic bar).
Did drummers stop playing drums when drum machine was invented? Do people pay to see two computers play chess?People are in team Human and will always prefer human made over computer made. Perfect is boring. If AI makes those producers to stop making music who make it only for money, then i think there is nothing wrong with it. Rest of us continues as always. Peace!
@@digidope The drum machines didn't replace drummers argument is a crass and silly, since all drum machines did is provide another tool for musicians to create a rhythm track. As such, a whole new aesthetic was created that while, it intersected with previous forms, could never adequately replace them. Also, one needs skill to use a drum machine to the degree that someone like Aphex Twin would. AI doesn't just replace a part of music production/creation, it takes over the whole process and does away with the need for skilled practioners of the craft entirely. This is completely different to replacing or in some cases augmenting a certain part of a piece using technology.
@@patrick5301 what were the big words he used? Invented? Or was it Prefer? I keep reading his short paragraph and I cannot fathom which word you could've possibly defined as "big". Oh shit... did I just use a big word?
I’ve been saying this for years now & posted about it. People are only starting to understand it now more. I’m a multi-instrumentalist, composer/producer, pro artist dj, general designer, artist, 3D modelling etc. Since lockdowns etc my work & gigs has been in trouble & now it’s just f**ked while I’ve been on benefits unable to get work. My Music Library work I’ve been doing for many years also f**ked! This is people’s heart & soul, it effects their mental health! Nice Chomsky quote later in the video bro. I’m starting a campaign to raise awareness, also I will be trying to arrange a appointment with a member of parliament(MP) to discuss all this serious concerns! It’s OUR LIFE AND OUR JOBS! Gonna be the ghost of Frank Zappa fighting against this bs as best I can even if I think it’s a lost cause! Too many idiots out there that will be using this already & other A.I art platforms! F**k all this shit man! You’ve said a lot of things I say! No one protests but everyone else does! No one cares about the arts in general! Very sad! 60% of jobs will not be safe from A.I & Humanoids by next year! The matrix literally awakened already the past few years! We are under attack in so many ways in life! Kurwa mac! There are also some pop artists trying to take legal action for copyrights. Anyway I understand & relate with your frustrations with it all as I deal with it too. Things not looking good with the WHO Worldwide Pandemic Treaty, the push of H5N1 virus again & possible G5 Geomagnetic storm forecasted for 2025 which could cause grid system failure with blackout. Lawlessness implemented in the cities & organised chaos. It’s just so f**ked! Orwell’s hell! Rage against this sh*tty machine! This is the industrialisation of the cyber world! Their NWO!
Thanks for the reply, I meant to say I agree with everything you wrote and I think you made a compelling case however the second last paragraph substantially dilutes your argument by tying it to other problems I feel unnecessarily.
@@miezeken hey man, yes sure I can see where you would see that but that’s ultimately the point. I’m torn between wanting to take action but understand also the other impending dooms we face as a people more then just A.I threat and our lives/jobs. It’s quite a layered cake of issues up head, the WHO global pandemic treaty, H5N1 avian variant being pushed again currently or Disease X talks, the forecast for a super solar flare(G5) by 2025 which could cause grid system failure, cyber slavery, Great Depression part 2 etc. hope that puts it into focus man 🤜🏽🤛🏽
the massive attack stlye music sounds nothing like massive attack nor trip hop in general, it has far too uplifting tone to it. Scary developments nonetheless.
AI and Music: A Dream Come True for Lyricists?” Since middle school, I’ve been writing song lyrics. Unfortunately, I lack the ability to compose music or play any instruments. Growing up in a financially challenged family, I couldn’t afford music lessons. Now, with an autoimmune disease that has stiffened my joints, learning to play an instrument seems even more daunting. I don’t have the means to hire a singer or produce music to accompany my lyrics. However, discovering AI tools that allow me to add my lyrics, specify a genre, and create a song structure feels like a dream come true. But is it fair for me to publish this music? The video you mentioned raises valid points. I empathize with musicians who’ve dedicated their lives to mastering the craft, only to face competition from AI-generated music. Used correctly, AI could be a powerful tool without undermining hardworking artists. Still, I share your concern about music becoming cheap and ubiquitous. On the other hand, hearing my lyrics come to life is exhilarating-I did write them, after all. While I grapple with the ethical implications, I appreciate the possibilities AI offers. Perhaps striking a balance between human creativity and technological assistance is the key.
I'm an indie author, but this is how I'm using AI..I wanted to make a soundtrack for my book, but there is no way I can afford several bands and studio time for them to put music to my lyrics. However, now I am able to write my soundtrack and have that as a boost for my novel. It has allowed me to bring life to my words in ways that previously were not possible. It isn't taking away a musicians job because I couldn't afford them in the first place, but it is allowing for musical stories that wouldn't have existed to now be fully realized.
Not only stock music. When artists aren't creating as much music, the instrument manufacturers are going to slowly scale back producing new hardware instruments, as well as vsts. Demand will go down. Unfortunately the general public ear doesn't care if it's AI they're listening to or a human.
@@patrick5301 The companies investing in these solutions will do everithing in their power to make it as inconvenient as possible to listen to human made music. Just like streaming and before digital downloads slowly killed album sales, AI Music will kill human made music because humans want things fast, cheap and convenient and companies with huge budgeds are standing at the gates ready to offer these solutions.
Native instruments pianos taking 250Gb disk space for all the piano samples is not the peak of technology though. Pianoteq is more advanced in a way, but even they haven't gone for machine learning yet.
Thank you for making a real video. There's so many people who are lying to themselves saying that this is somehow going to be great for music, they're delusional because they can't accept the reality.
Part of this relentless boosterism comes from the fact that AI is probably the only part fo the stock market that isn't spiralling into financial oblivion.
Should making music be limited to only people who can physically make sounds on an instrument and those who understand music theory? Because AI has given the layperson the ability to write and create songs. Truly talented artist and songwriters will always be more popular than AI, but now music is accessible to everyone. I have a hard time seeing why that is bad.
@@TheTacticalBat You telling just nonsence. If you want produce music, you need give it time and hard work. You also need have inner feeling that you express into final product - a song. But you simply isnt able to transform inner feeling or even hearing whole song inside in you.. with cheap text prompt. This concept of being prompt artist is just satanic illusion that controls you. Yes after you hear that prompt transformed into some random song, you brain will give you lot of dopamine bursts so you will feel like god. Avoid such cheap illusion and try to live true life.
If a non musician make music with ai it means he is generating music and not making it . Because a non musician can never make music . The ai can . The point is , if someone would like to make music , he has to put the effort and learn how to do it , instead of becoming a “ prompter “ lol
I’m an illustrator. Midjourney came for me last year and took several jobs out from under me and everyone told me, “adapt”. We’re all meant to scrub toilets while the machines do all our creative and leisure activities.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MILLIONS OF MACHINIST CRATSMEN MECHANICS WENT THROUGH OVER LAST 40 YEARS HERE AND THIS GUY WANTS PITY BECAUSE NOW THE MACHINE HAS CIME FOR MEDIOCRE TUNE DIDDLERS WHAT WHY DO YOU THINK THE RUST BELT IS IN THE MIDWEST IF YOU THINK THIS GUY WHINES WAIT TILL WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAWYERS
I completely disagree, it is one of the best tools in history, and it will make a million things easier for everyone. Oh and it's something that's not going to stop, so either you adapt or you get angry at the world for something you can't control. The technology is incredible and fascinating, what is being achieved is historic, and it will benefit humanity, it is already doing so. As soon as you start to see what has happened throughout history, it has always been the same, when the camera was created the realism painters thought they were running out of work, however there have never been more realism painters in the world that today, and thanks to TECHNOLOGY, they can become known throughout the world without having to have money, all that is required is talent. If an AI can replace what you do, what you do probably isn't that unique. The music that I have made (mostly hip hop beats) can be made perfectly by an AI, I did not try to revolutionize anything or create anything new, and that inspires me to start breaking the barriers of what I did, of the standard, and innovate by about what exists. This is an incredible opportunity.
I'm one of those unicorns who is obsessed with IT, technology and AI and at the same time and equally into music production. I saw this coming a mile away 10+ years ago. Stop whining about the inevitable and start thinking about how you gonna adopt. Me personally im going to use it to develop my own. That is designed to complement and not replace me. The technology in itself is not evil. The companies who have the most money to develop it are. The solution is open source. They "stole" our data, we "steal" their AI.s Only fair. Ok this might sounded a bit harsh. You are right about the problems. I don't know the solution. I only know that i kinda saw it coming and ill try to use the same technology differently for good. I don't think the industry will die though but it will turn upside down like everything else will in the future. Stock music might take a big hit but there might be other avenues. The young generation actually likes a lot of analog and retro stuff and the human element is very important. So I think people will just become more conscious about their art choices over time. Yes some advertising music might be totally generated by AI but we never really considered most of that art before anyway.
A great song will always be a great song!! If AI is actually lucky enough to create a great song, that actually resonates with the human heart and soul --it will be just that, PURE LUCK!! This is a great entertainment and a lot of fun, but the next step is actually to create DAW's and other workflow machines that take our chord progressions, words , and aspirations to new human heights. Humans write for humans---some will consume this "fast food" but most ears will hunger for the REAL thing. Just my humble opinion. Cheers to ALL the human creators out there!! Long live human endeavor!!!
They can take all the shortcuts they want, from what I learned with 20+ years of musicology is that they always get exposed at some point and fall. Sure it’s gonna shake the actual shit show that is the popish music industry lately, but even for compagnies that are gonna use it people are gonna feel it and slowly stop caring. Music has always been circling, I’d argue that the human side of things is gonna come back stronger than before at some point. Another thing for sure we ve been seeing the effect of boycotts lately, latest exemple is the dumb move of waves that nearly cost them everything, lots of us won’t even care for products that are related to this. The scenarists are already struggling for a couple of years because of ia, especially for streaming platforms the result? A desert of lame cinematography that is costing them billions, I mean last year has to be the worst in terms of cinematographic excitement. But nothing surprising there, I’m a composer and I already knew 10years ago that it was collapsing, they use premade patterns in movies for years now, which means composers have really narrow corridor to navigate mark my words it will circle back to experience and human touch. As for the masses that will be caught in the robotic brain dead agenda of the big corporations it is what it is, but if you expected to make money from this crowd it was on you to begin with and I mean no disrespect we are all learning here. I don’t know what you maestros will do, but for me? I’m gonna keep one hand on the ai train and the other on learning as many skills as I possibly can I wish you guys the best from the bottom of my heart cause I know it’s gonna be a rough ride but if we communicate and stick together we ll create our own network, bakers or traders that will suddenly decide to pretend to be a pop star thanks to suno or whatever will be a little joke on the side cheers 🍻
These are tools. These tools in the hands of this artist, I will do amazing things in less time and little cost....its all about perspective. Suno is amazing and I am using it in my workflow as a music producer.....what a time to be alive!🎉🎉
I feel your pain. The only way for pros like you forward is to learn to use this stuff as a tool, as your experience will have you be ahead of others. The only thing that will not die soon are live concerts. And you are right - business people will just look for lowering costs, they might even do things themselves now. They do not care for your bread in the basket.
What might help is if the AI developers made the AI to output Chord symbols with the lyrics and MIDI tracks along with the MP3's so that one could use the AI to get a first cut and then edit the MIDI to personalize it much the same way that many use ChatGPT to write a first draft.
@@RonLWilson then play the rest by ear lol 😂. this is where being a good producer comes in. or use melodyne to get the midi of the audio file. or scalar
What’s gonna happen is that performing artists are gonna get paid more. Real artist will be paid more. Music is still an art form we’re humans express themselves creatively. Who maybe hurt will be engineers and some genres of music. We’ll see how this happens. I am happy I am singer and producer and I try to mix my songs as best as I can. We’re all are gonna have to step up lyrically and musically. The unorthodox will be the style that gets all the attention. Now I see why the Screen Actors Guild went on strike as a part to stop them from using AI to write scripts for movies. This is sad
No cause there will be more musician's competing for those live gigs pushing the price down. In the world of AI branding is everything, maybe you can sell a t-shirt
if non-AI music stops then the development of music also ends pretty soon, when you feedback the AI generated music into the AI, the algorithms will start to breakdown as they become increasingly generic... I guess they will try to compensate for that through randomisation and some sort of threshold values... but it will go round and round on itself forever... if they aren't able to tell which music was AI generated or 'pre-AI' then they may have some historical cut-off point and choose to ignore new music after a certain date, that could then exclude 'real music' from getting fed into the algorithms in the future... we're in for an interesting ride. But generally, I think you are correct, simply because so much generic music will be generated now, that it will swamp the internet it's going to be really tough for human producers unless they are also performing as a live act.
But why should non-AI music disappear? Even in the worst-case scenario, when all the crooks who make 'art' for money stop doing it, there will still be real artists who create for self-expression.
Exactly, the AI algorithms will become so censored and diluted, all AI music will begin to sound like a hybrid soup of Bach, Abba, and Taylor Swift. Happy little pop songs with subliminal messages. Meanwhile, I'll summon the spirits with an organic broth of horrorscope deepcreep psytrance
I've been using Suno and I'm so impressed by what I can come up with in a short amount of time...the power I have to produce quite decent sound for projects I have in mind..it's like I'm in a candy store. That being said, I do also see where you are coming from and very much understand your point.
I had light fight about it with my wife recently... She was very angry at me even talking about AI. She wants to live away from technology and be done with it. Which I understand. But the technological progress will be made and it will happen. I think this is not only your frustration. This is all creators frustration. You were not scared of Midjourney or GPT, because its not as close to your skin as for photographers for example. Think about guys that did visual fx in movies - they are obsolete now as well. But so are the farmers, who will be replaced by tech and other operators. I am in finance field. I already see changes coming here quickly as well... I did hear AI generated song made in tune of Depeche Mode (we, Poles, all love those guys :) If you would tell me its from some B-side, I would not blink an eye. But here is worse - my emotional reaction to that AI generated song was similar to real life. I did have goose bumps when the chorus / bridge came in... So what I think will happen is the following: (1) Bands and performers will survive somehow and live music will still be there, (2) It will become luxury product, (3) Stock music is dead. Probably Netflix is already hireing guys to put out songs using those AI products for their movies; (4) We need to figure out how to protect the IP, and this IP would be your band's style - which as of now, I have no idea how to even quantify/identify that, (5) The person who will lead us in the fight for keeping musicians protected will be... Taylor Swift (You will see).
Scary indeed, but this is no different than anything else at all! There are many examples for that: Working/performing/studio musicians were already replaced with sample libraries. That's just one example. Bands and ensembles were replaced either by DJs or one man band arranger keyboards that can also be used for recording purposes. This is hardly shocking at this point! In fact, what makes anybody thing there won't be an AI model that can accept much more musical input from a user as a prompt. Say, the user puts: Make a pop ballad in the key of Fm, use the following chord progression, repeat the chorus twice and modulate to the key of such and such.. and so on! What makes anyone think this type of tech is not going to be available next Monday?
The difference is that one was people replacing other people and evolving. This is something else. It's removing the human from the equation entirely (except for the few who profit from it). But you are correct that capitalism has essentially been driving real art into oblivion for some time. That was already hard to find in this kind of economy. But the new economy is entirely of a different scale. It's more like techno feudalism and we all just became the peasants and the slaves
@@MattAngiono But not really. Companies have hired people and developed various technologies that ultimately eliminated many jobs altogether. Many of those positions don't even exist anymore. This applies to both the music and film industries, which I have been a part of as a professional musician for the past 30 years. Some key positions have been reduced to just ONE person doing multiple tasks. This is simply an evolution of how things began to change in a particular direction. The only thing that has changed is the rate at which these changes are evolving. This is absolutely new!
@@lgbtqarchives well, the rate means A LOT! In the past, with the turn over, there was time to find other forms of income for most people and the amount of unemployment was relatively stable (though it certainly didn't feel that way to those displaced). I'm not saying it was good then. I think capitalism has been terrible for people. But there have still been people keeping the economy going and fitting into the cracks. This new displacement is going to be so huge that that illusion is about to be shattered. For people paying attention, it already has been, as with the creator of this video. This economy can no longer function in the way it has for hundreds of years. But we haven't yet figured out how to give people an opportunity to make a living when there aren't jobs. I'm fine with having less workers, but without another way to survive and provide for a family, this is going to be very disruptive. In the end, it can be a good thing, but that requires a whole new type of economy and value system. The issue is that big tech already realizes this and has some horrific plans to deal with the situation. They have already built techno feudalism and intend to only make it worse. They own everything... We own nothing, but somehow are "happy"?!? Sounds like they are also going to have to brainwash us
Great video. The impact on musicians will be huge but what about on the music industry in a whole. With this I mean the software developers of plugins, synths (hard and software). If the musicians earn less money they have less money to spend on musical equipment. Do we see less companies or will there be plugins developed by AI?
Excellent video. As a songwriter, studio owner and musician, people who know me have been surprised at how much I've embraced Suno these past few weeks. I've just completed my first ai album and what a journey it's been. But I had the same epiphany as you when i started. A paradigm shift has begun! Independent commercial musicians and composers better start adapting. Learn the tools, all of them, and incorporate them into your workflow. It's not ai taking your jobs. It's the people using ai who are taking your jobs. On a positive note, I predict we're soon to enter a whole new world of wonderful music out there on the airwaves. Goodbye generic samey pop music. My experience with Suno tells me it has the ability to perfect and emote anything it touches. Our job is to pick out the definitive versions. To tweak and hone the lyrical content and style. Once achieved, literally millions of amazing tunes will be heading our way sooner than we realise. And yes, everyone should probably stop thinking of making music for a living as a viable option. Music making is about to become democratized and freely available to the masses. Which is a beautiful thing. As for us pro music makers...it was good whilst it lasted.
Life will definitely be more convenient with AI. Live music will not be replaced by AI anytime soon. So musicians will be doing exactly what they’re doing.
You only really appreciate things when they're scarce. I'm glad I kept my old vinyl records and tapes. Hold on to your instruments, maybe even start collecting them. Enjoy them and in 20 or 30 years they may be worth a fortune. Speaking as someone who sold their 808 and 101 far too soon.
Anyone who thinks we are screwed oviously overreacted before thinking of COPYRIGHT LAWS. I myself have done MANY copyrights as well as USPTO trademarks over the past 15 years. If anyone thought about the copyrights of AI materials here in the US, they would know that NO copyrights are possible UNLESS the resulting AI-made product has been touched by a human hand. This goes for image generation as well. I think it is time to BREATHE and think of how this will make the music industry BETTER. For starters, Hip-Hop is absolutely horrible today, but I know the heart of it was originally SAMPLING, which kind of slowed down a lot, due to lawsuits. This has the power to allow the sound to be changed there without anyone actual records being involved. That also means that artists and producers in that industry need to get creative. How about the new guy just starting out on the guitar? He can generate tracks to play to as he defines his style. I still think that people are still going to be producers and people are still going to play their instruments. It would be horrible to think that concerts would stop being a thing and people will just be cheering for the DJ who just hits play on a bunch of AI music at a music fest. By the end of the day, I still think we will still support REAL artists, but I also think that those who afraid of the tech will be the ones left behind.
This is the new music revolution all over again, now the public can make/create their own music without being forced by the radio and labels. It's a new golden age where we can forge our own music for the better.
@@e.and.f I'm studying electric guitar. For me, AI is great only about vst amp plugins, because is cheap than buy all good real amps, cabinets and pedals.
AI can't replace human creativity. (PERIOD) I have been writing and composing music since I was 12 years old. It can not compare, my original compositions are miles higher than anything AI can do. I have been playing around with AI, art, video and music and what I learned is AI can not replace a human on any of these levels. AI art is boring, and not very creative. AI music is the same. AI video is okay, I guess, but no where close. Everyone that over reacts about this, probably can't do better than the AI does. I think of AI as a tool, is a great way to visualize ideas and speed up the process in that way. But to outright replace humans, not gonna happen.
as both a musician and a consumer, i agree with this, but on, the other hand, ai gives power back to the people, to listen to what they want to hear. second, we got into this for US, not them. and you all would do well to remember that, All of us have home rigs now anyway. in short, suck it. we're in for a fight, but I think people will continue to love IRL music. bands who don't will fall on the wayside. at the very least, you guys can use this stuff as a template. you never know, you might get good ideas!
The music industry has been doing this for decades. They get all the money from the musicians work and creativity while the artist receives peanuts. So same story different decade.
indeed its just the final step, more obvious, of the same thing, and it won't kill music, art, creativity, it will just help to see the real artists shining among an ocean of automated mass-quick-consumption content!
The difference is that the music industry cannot copyright AI generated music, thus you can use it for any purpose without worry. The issue is that the music industry may generate AI music and NOT tell the public that it is AI generated, then sue YOU for using that AI generated music under these false pretenses....
@@THE_HMRC The first point you made is one of the most important in all of this debate. Say AI comes up with a "hit". Then everyone and their brother can remix, re-publish, perform as, make memes from, etc etc. AI art becomes part of the community common and enriches us all. As to the second part, there must be some kind of semi-obfuscated watermarking required for the use of these tools. That will surely come and these companies already know how to do that and some are advocating for it, as they must and some have already, ethically. And even if that didn't happen, onus is on them to prove they didn't use AI to produce the track. I guess they could hire actors to pose as the artist in question in court - then it becomes very fun to cross-examine their methods and level of talent. 🧠 think on, amigos.
That dubstep song at 8:06 sounds very inspired from Pendulum. I think it sort of derives it's references from that artist for this particular generation. Interesting.
This was both fascinating, and scary at the same time. The moment that AI took over the arts (music, painting, poetry, photography, etc), we lost our humanity. 😢
@@axonathan Is it though? Based on sampling of some of the recent AI tools out there, it’s not hyperbole at all in my opinion. Everything he mentioned is factually true.
I'm an EDM producer and use Udio as the main tool to produce all my music. My last track took me 4 days of work to create. 90% of the time was spent inside Udio, where I had to ask Udio to make around 1000 music clips before the 4-minute track was completed to my liking, and that's my art, my creativity right there, unlimited by technical stuff and unlimited by my lack of vocal/singing capabilities. AI frees me from having to know technical things about how to program instruments, notes, accords, scales, mixing, etc. Still, I need to write the lyrics and pick and choose the AI-generated music clips based on my musical taste, what I hear, and my idea of what makes a hit song. I spend 90% of the time being creative with Udio AI and 10% doing the arrangement and mastering inside the DAW. With AI, my creativity is no longer limited by my technical skills, and it's fantastic. I'm a much happier and better musical producer now that I can do a complete EMD track with female vocals and not depend on others. I no longer rely on singers or rappers and get to keep 100% of the royalties.
@@JaviermpgomI don't care what people think; as far as I know, I'm already an artist/creator when I'm writing the lyrics. So, by definition, I'm a composer, and if that was all I did, I would, by law, be entitled to 50% of all royalties of any musical project I co-work. The rest of the musical work I do is mostly about having the taste to pick the AI-generated music clips that make me feel the emotions I'm looking for. What I care about is the final output. I could do all musical work by hand and release some crap-sounding music without AI because it would take 10 years to learn all the technical stuff. I would have to spend another 10 years learning how to sing and another 10 years becoming a musician and playing all the instruments I use without a computer. It is impossible in this lifetime, and who in their right mind would be requiring all this from themselves to satisfy some third party's opinion of what makes an artist? And after all this 30-year learning process, I would be paid $0,005 per stream... What a joke! So, in your opinion, to be a creator or artist, one must do it all without using technology? Dude, all music producers use technology, starting with a computer, a DAW, plugins, etc... We are in 2024 and not in the 19th century. Most newer versions of musical plugins incorporate some AI to assist in writing the notes, mixing, and mastering. But hey, it's your choice if you prefer doing your art like a caveman in the Stone Age doing paintings on the cavern wall.
@@ellonzi I can see your point. Techonlogy envolves and the way of making music changes with time. Personally, I use most of the things you mentioned: daw´s, plugins... However, I think that the line must be drawn somewhere, and for me, that is IA. Also, you say you´re entitled to 50% of the royalties of the music you make. However, what does that mean in a world where ANYONE can make pretty much the same thing you do? I think your (and everyone´s) creations will have no value, as good music will lose its ´scarcity´´ and, therefore, become meaningless. I just accept I will probably never write a book, create a tv show or become a photographer. That is fine, that is what makes me admire the people that can do such things and truly enjoy their work.The day when everyone can do them will be a sad day, at least for me.
@@Javiermpgom Music lost its scarcity years ago before AI existed. It all started when DAWs, plugins, and Autotune became household items anyone could download for free on pirate websites. And also thanks to all the free TH-cam tutorials... Also, Spotify has been paying artists pennies for years... Anyone can access the same tools, but the output will continue to differ. AI will spit out different things depending on your input; for example, the lyrics you input influence the sound because the AI tool matches the notes to the sound of the words and the mood you're after... Also, making music is only 10% of the work... The other 90% of the work required to be successful involves marketing, content creation, networking, etc... So yes, AI and access to technology are helping many more people do this 10% of the work (the fun part), but don't forget there is the other 90% of boring work that most people don't do. The ones that do these 90% very well are the ones that will succeed. As an ex-record label owner, I have worked with many artists; most are lazy and don't do the tedious work. They want to make music and have somebody else do the boring stuff, and they fail.
@@Javiermpgom Let's remember that making music is only 10% of the work necessary to be successful in music. Only some are willing to do the other 90% of the tedious work with marketing/promotion, content creation, networking, etc. Also, music lost its "scarcity" long before AI was invented, thanks to easy access to DAWs, plugins (through pirate websites), tutorials, etc... Spotify has been paying us pennies for years.
Every song made with AI is a song that people enjoy, be it as a joke or because someone who isn't a musical genius has written honest lyrics or any other reason. Any musician who opposed the existence of AI music opposed the very essence of music: that people enjoy it. What I hear in the final chapter of this video, the part about "oh no, these AI's are stealing stuff and replicate it, YOU have been robbed!" is a man who just realized that all this time, he was making money because he was gatekeeping the process of music production. What exactly is it, then, that was stolen from you? Hm? Was it your audio equipment? Was it the sales you've already made with your music? Was it the potential sales you could've made in the future? Was it the song itself? How? Is it not on your hard drive anymore? Has the data been physically removed? "It replicates it!" - and so does anyone who sings along to your songs or covers it. Your intellectual property cannot be stolen because it isn't a scarce resource. If I just draw a random wave pattern in Audacity, and create a sound that way, and that sound ends up being the exact copy of a song someone has produced, I have not stolen anything, I have, by mere accident, created something, with my own labor, using my own property and nothing has happened to the other person. "Intellectual property" is, by definition, a restriction on what other people can do with their own property. let's say I'm an author and i live in a remote village, and by sheer accident, I write an exact copy of Harry potter. 100% identical. But nobody in the village, not even I myself, knows that some british woman wrote the same book years prior. In fact, it could be that your music is already violating the "intellectual property" of some alien on another planet. Face it, gatekeepers, copyright, IP and all the other legal tools you use will fall apart with the AI revolution. AI music will not make musicians, but it will get people MORE music to consume, more art to consume, more of the things they want. The existence of the final product, the piece of music, piece of art, video game or book is what matters, not who has created it. AI will bring more stuff for us to consume, and that is a good thing.
So u think it s okay for machine to take over humans own songs ? If u dont get royalties anymore, then artist and musicians will no longer live. Hes saying that AI is learning to make songs, which means writers/composers soon doesnt have a job. If they dont get royalties.
Just like the printing press and photography (now everyone has a high quality camera in their phone) those with creative potential will adapt. Humans create art for themselves not just for a living. Those that have done and made it a career up until now have just been lucky. People will still be willing to pay for the human experience. Especially live musicians where every performance is unique.
Thank you mate for putting this out ! I just made a comment on another channel that was promoting A.I. generated music and they stopped the comments and even specifically mentioned that they stopped them due to my input and feelings about this garbage ! So, thank you brother ! We all need to ban together as Artists and find a way to keep this out of our industry. Although, it's probably never going to stop the ones with no imagination, or talent. 😔 Also, with all of the fuss about certain bands, or musicians using backing tracks, or lip syncing, where careers were ruined... now I have to wonder, how would they feel about this ? Man... this is so terrible, not to mention what other industries they will crossover to. This is insanity ! I am with you 110% brother !!!
I am a music hobbyist and a beginner, but its still very demotivating knowing, that everything that I am learning right now and I am spending huge amount of my free time doing so, is getting less and less valuable because I can already generate better tracks then I am able to make. I am graphic designer by proffesion though and the exact same is happening in that field. Basically every damn creative thing is endangered because of that. Weird times.
Karma is happening, the coders that created this abomination are themselves being replaced by AI as we speak. On a positive note, musicians were really peed off yeas ago when DJs took most of their work, but there is still work out there even now. Learn to sing or play an instrument really, really well. You'll have a unique style, and AI can't compete with that.
@@ladas3509 there is exactly the same amount of musicianship that every cover band has. The only difference is that, instead of covering a song from the Beatles, Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin, I can cover an AI song with lyrics I wrote.
@@lavillenouvelleSorry i am not trying to bash your creative process and this might be my biased view. But, if you are using AI to generate music and then simply recreating it from its output, I dont see that as artistry. The beauty (even I dont really listen to them) of cover bands is band mates being able to play their instruments and playing it live etc. The coordinated effort of different people playing together. Or revivals when the original band is no more. Creating something new while letting a machine create it for you is neither original work or cover band, its a weird thing in between. This is just my opinion though, do whatever you want. If you like it, who am I, a random person person in the internet telling you something. Good luck.
So I spent a lot of time with both Udio and Suno and my current conclusion is that they are great and fun entertainment tools, but still a far cry from replacing actual art and artists. They'll probably get there but as it stands they are just audio toys.
He covered that. Look at the progress from the last generation within the last year or two. It will continue to get better. It's already very close to "real" music to the untrained ear.
@@runvnc208 I see what you mean and I agree. It's a really fun tool that can put out catchy stuff. However, when it comes to competing with actual musicians and singers, it's a matter of how customizable or rather 'controllable' it is. These bots aren't doing hot in that front. In fact, I believe the reason their output is this good is because AI has almost full creative control over the process. That's why the results are quite random no matter how good you get at prompting. To get there, they will need another technical leap, as well as overcoming some legal battles. They could and probably will get in time though.
"a far cry from replacing actual art and artists." I'm not sure. It's hard to replace Prince, Stevie Wonder or Radiohead, but 90% of the music on the radio is mediocre music with artists who cant sing using autotune, music made on DAW (computer). For example the "BBL Drizzy" beat is made from a sample from an AI motown style song, it's allmover the internet and people love it. This stuff as been around for barely few month, in 2 years it's over. You can have an Adele, Bruce Springsteen, Michael Bubble AI song as good as the original (with an artist that will never die or loose his voice, scary)
The problem is y'all always forget the exponential nature of AI. If you keep throwing more compute cycles and feed it a bigger dataset the model of Udio or Suno keeps getting better and better with each training iteration. Like the trajectory is pretty much settled. AI right now is pretty much solved and right now the scaling of making the model better is not a fundamental math problem but an engineering problem. And engineering problem can be easily fixed by having capital
I've been experimenting with Udio this weekend, and it has been mind blowing. The stuff you can do, the basic quality of the output... It's insane. Of course, there are still artefacts and it still has a tendency to hallucinate a lot. But in my sessions, it also surprised me multiple times. I don't know what's gonna happen next, but it feels like we're at the very brink of something BIG. For better or worse.
I appreciate your video. A lot of great points came to be in this video. I see your opinion is very valid. I wonder what they'll do once they create music and need to do live shows are they going to go back to the Milli Vanilli stages of time?
I think music is just going to evolve. When music went digital, classical music evolved into jazz and jazz evolved into pop and rock. So no more I IV VI V progressions and new styles will need to emerge.
Purpose of art is to you evolve into more advanced artist and not cutting the angles. How you became master if everything is done by you just click your mouse? Feeling, listening, imagining and everything is gonna be fd up. We gonna be caveman again.
Let's face it, music was already dead. It was in total decline, something to see the music that is heard today. Full of mediocre artists lining their pockets with shitty music. I am not going to cry for a music industry that preferred money to the mercy of mediocrity. Without a doubt, a tool was needed that would put music on a new level.
I basically think the same, I quitted producing mainstream music in the late nineties because of mediocrity. At that time, already, there wasn't space for original ideas. Of course, all the musicians who make their living producing mediocre, standard, commercial stuff, are going to loose a good chunk of their revenues. I'm sorry for them, but this is an occupation issue, that has nothing to do with art. I welcome AI, because of its infinite spitting in our faces the mediocrity of "our" modern pop music. This will force us to reconsider, re-think pop music itself. Moreover, I've never listened to an AI generated piece that really moved my neurons. Pure generative AI music cannot be considered art in any way, in my opinion.
@@LATQueens When Napster hit in 2000, the only way musicians could make money was touring and concerts. I never figured out why the music after that went all suck @ss all the way to today.
@ricktheexplorer I agree with you. But don't forget, most artists from back in the day would tell you that they made most of their money from touring and shows anyway. Record labels would consistently pay artists pennies on the dollar for each album sold.
If I take the perspective of a client - there is no reason to hire a musician anymore to compose music for my video or film - especially on small budget productions.
If you ever worked with a client, then you should know that they usually don’t know what they really want and can’t describe it accurately. They still need someone who would understand their gibberish and get them the results that would suite the project.
@@НикаК-ъ4ф so true. But for my short films I cannot afford to hire a musician and pay properly because I do not have the funds. Luckily now I can use AI and luckily I know what I want. If I had the funds though I would still hire a very good musician, but good quality is still expensive (and it should be). I am doubtful that AI will become better than outstanding musicians but who knows, maybe it will. The future will tell...
@@НикаК-ъ4фYes and that is where musical prompt engineers come in. Also your client can now have 50 different versions to choose from by the end of the week.
I've seen AI take a huge leap in graphics, coding and now music. These are all things I know enough about to understand the significance of where it's going to be before we realize. But like many technologies of a similar nature, I'm convinced humans will still be required. Because ultimately all these creative endeavors need to be appealing. They need curation. Right now AI can write lyrics, but they mostly sound like the ramblings of a 9 year old. The musical choices the AI makes may be clever and all, but always sound wonky to me. And having used udio a little it often loses it's mind and starts singing mystery AI nonsense. It will improve. A lot. It'll be much better fidelity and have far more convincing simulations. I just wonder if instead of fear and uncertainty, maybe we should look for opportunity? Remember how in the 80s/90s everything was "over" once samplers could record chunks of music. Yet it inspired creativity rather than destroying it. Can we use AI to our advantage? As an assistant? Just as we would work with another band member or contributor? Can AI help us improve our own skills, raise our game and help us grow our talent? I hope so. Much ❤ to all the creatives out there.
We will be able to spawn music directly from our brain, whole orchestras, music that we have never imagined that could be created by any means and this will be done with OUR intelligence, with the help of our advanced tools. which again are OUR intelligence and not some artificial outsider.
Yeah sure but it won't be us, it will be done by AI engineers and prompters hired by the top companies (Spotify, Apple Music, etc.) and those will generate the perfect tracks according to data collected from the net to satisfy the current trends and zeitgeist. Should some artist come up with something novel, they will feed the tech with it and within a month, release thousands of albums in the novel style, making it obsolete and the artist who created it obsolete. Nowadays the industry is slow and it takes a long time for a novel music style to be established in pop culture - enough time for the artists who created it to become known and associated with it. With this tech, it will be lightning fast and since these companies have massive funding and the best lawyers in the world, good luck in suing them. Look whats happening with streaming fraud right now and publishers witholding payments from artists under the fake premise of "artificial streams" while big labels openly use artificial streams to boost their artists numbers. This is whats awaiting the entire industry and those who have big money will win the war, always have and always will.
AI as an assistant tool will always enhance (like auto-tune) but some inventions take over. The drum machine put most drummers out of a gig. A.I. nowadays is a new thing. It replaces the human element completely and offers a product made entirely without humans (except the data it mined in the first place all comes from humans) but once a computer can do the job in seconds. No human could ever compete with that. Not in a million years. We are creating our own downfalls and whoever owns the copyrights or patents gets rich and everyone else gets forgotten.
@@prolifik302 I hear you. However, just thinking of artists I've loved over the years who've somehow navigated and survived a veritable torrent of fivver producers and band-in-a-box magicians. It's worrying for writers, artists, coders, musicians, poets, one and all. At the end of the day the market will decide. Keep being creative and productive. Good luck 👍🏻
Demand your AI Dividend! I think we need to start organizing a movement around that, because we cannot stop it, and I can't think of any other way to adapt to the implications of AI. AI exists thanks to year of data and content, collected from all of us, which goes into training it. And it won't be long before it's out competing more than just creatives. Our whole economy will need to change, as I don't think capitalism, at least in it's current form, is in any way compatible with what we soon face. A majority of people aren't going to be able to compete against AI, so we can no longer use jobs as the thing which determines how we distribute basic resources to people. In some way, profits from AI needs to be taxed and that should be distributed to everyone as an AI Dividend!
It's not. This is why people are vouching for UBI at least for now (at least people who don't erroneously associate the idea to a utopia, which I mean... that's just depressing). Because jobs don't make sense anymore as means to acquire the middle man made up exchange for tangible useable goods like food, water, shelter, medicine, mental stimulation and entertainment. The world isn't ready for this. It was never going to be. It sucks to know the harder people fight it, the more people will get hurt because governments aren't ready for this, they're still behind on internet being a thing. Our world economic model is capitalism. Doesn't matter what personal model a country uses, the exchange between countries for goods is capitalism. Working is a thing because jobs need to be done and people need to make money. If the jobs are being done and people aren't making money because the jobs are all done, then we need an intermediary to make sure economy doesn't collapse and people don't die more than they already do. Honestly, the whole middle man exchange of a currency isn't that useful anymore. Especially because it actually leads to more greed and waste. If I could just go to a store that houses what I need or have it delivered, I'll get what I need, because I don't have to manage another resource. I won't need a sale, I'll just get the physical amount I require and leave the rest. I wouldn't panic stock or be concerned about management. Also, the amount produced in order to cover this would be lower. This whole first come first serve, first to claim system isn't viable long term, not even for the winner.
People - AI does not "end music". FYI - the Commericalization of music is NOT natural - and music existed for thousands of years long before property rights and commercialization was ever conceived. Just because certain people will be pushed out of the commercial music world does not mean all music ceases. If you're actually composer who creates music because you enjoy creating music - you will keep making music --- whether companies find your music valuable or not and want to pay you for it is just a bonus. If you are a composer who stops making music just because you're not getting paid for it - you're not an artist - you're a puppet of capital ... Either make music because you like music - and allow other people to make their own music with whatever tools they want -- and like that other people like other music - and like the fact that musical synthesis is happening and that new frontiers are being created.... Or don't.
I know a lot of people will see this comment and froth, but you aren't wrong. If art really is "priceless" then it should be. But we like to commodify everything because more ways to figure out how to get a fake resource for real ones is the name of the game in our survival leg of existing. I think AI is showing the cracks in our faulty multi-thousand year old model of placeholder currency for actual tangible goods we need to survive. Doesn't matter if it's seashells, squirrel pelts, gold or digital numbers. I miss people sharing things they make, no matter the means because they just liked to do so. To make content for the audience/community because that's our instinct as a pack species. Not because they were interested in how much cash they could make. That said, I'm not blaming people for their response to this, even if it's frustrating. People need to eat, our system created a way for people to do that in various different means (and also make sure that some never can and they starve, but that's another topic) they're playing the game by it's rules and understandably upset when the rules change. But I think instead of getting mad at the rules changing, maybe they should evaluate why there are rules the way they are to understand why they change. But that's a whole thing in itself. Getting upset at someone, something, some event and blaming it, not asking why it happened, how it could be prevented, or if it has value. Just anger. Understandable, universal, but entirely useless as response.
Thank you for this video! I get so mad when friends of mine express EXCITEMENT over AI art/music etc without NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST reflecting on the labor exploitation CORE of the issue here! So frustrating! I try to calmly educate those folks but their eyes glaze over when I quote Marx and try to connect Manchester capitalism with this new digital version. And you are spot on about collective organizing: we are totally EFFED coz online freelance artists (except for Hollywood screenwriters where we should look for strategic guidance) are NOT organized!
addendum after I watched your summary and since you are Polish and have a literature background? PLEASE pick up the Polish translation of "Infinite Jest" = it is BEAUTIFUL and despite the dire subject matter of entertainment addiction it still gives me hope for the future of humanity and art and expression :)
one more = WHERE IS THE REVOLUTION? Very good question because AI (or rather the companies that own the tech) is colonizing our minds nonstop and killing our humanity! I am not even convinced that people will realize what they are missing and compensate by making music and art for personal growth and meditation and reflection. For most people caught up in the capitalist hamsterwheel they don't even have the time and the energy. They will resort to even more simple CONSUMING stuff that gets delivered in HIGHSPEED with a couple of clicks :(
The AI isn't stealing the music, it's stealing the profession of being a musician, and it's doing it by being better at it. It's awful, but there's no law against it. It might not even be immoral, in the wider view. Someone on twitter said - AI was supposed to do the tedious stuff for creative people, not the creative stuff for tedious people.
Well how did AI learn? One day I received 120 euros from pond5 . They had sold my entire catalog with them for Ai learning. And I m stuck legally because I had to opt out,but I didn't know... (i dont read all emails...). That is theft. 120 euros for years of production!
@@ekeys6897 That's sounds like a really sleazy policy from that company (I know nothing about them), and I'm sure they have some fine print somewhere that you agreed to, but that doesn't make what they did any less sleazy. What they essentially did was allow an AI to extract insights from your music as part of its training. Sure, it's not copyright infringement and they paid you for it, but there was no negotiation, no immediate consent. It's probably legal, but that doesn't mean we have to like it. Analogies are difficult and imperfect in this context, but I used to teach at a film school. What happened to you would be similar to my old film school bundling up my previous lectures and PowerPoint slides and using them to train people without telling me, relying on the fine print in my contact to do it. Sure, they send me a payment, but it would still be weird (for the record, they'd never do that). It seems like all human endeavour is rapidly becoming nothing more than training data for our future AI servants... Or our future AI overlords...
@@peacefulman2196 Well, it depends how they got the music and what they did with the music after they got it. Simply downloading music is rarely illegal, though it may have been in violation of the terms they agreed to when they accessed the music. Was the music streamed to a file or recorded from a streaming service? Or did the AI simply "listen" to it via streaming? Was the music taken from a downloading service? CDs? Free-to-air radio? We just don't know. If they broke the terms of whatever conditions they agreed to when accessing the music, then I guess they can be sued (IANAL), but that's not typically a criminal matter. It's not against the law to breach most contracts, but it's often very unwise. One possible exception is if they decrypted encrypted music in the USA - which might be illegal under the US DMCA, but if they did it outside of US jusristiction, even that doesn't apply (IANAL). I predict two things - 1. if it's legal for a human to do it (listen to a bunch of music and then create new works inspired by them) then it's surely legal for softrware to do it. 2. By the time these cases work their way through the various courts of several nations, the music industry (and several other industries) might have already adapted, or shrunk, or mostly vanished. I'm not saying that's a good thing.
We cannot stop it, we should use it as assistant or to make the music better with our knowledge as all the generated music which will flood all services.
We should certainly use it as a justification to call for major economic reforms or an entire economic overhaul. How else will people get by when AI takes their jobs? Sounds like the perfect excuse to end the concept of creatives having to be "starving artists".
@@Mopantsu If the people demand it be setup as intended, there shouldn't be any strings attached at all. The concept of UBI actually started with the name "Unconditional Basic Income" before Yang popularized calling it universal. If we stick to the name Unconditional, it makes it a lot harder to corrupt with such "strings" or conditions. In practice, UBI should work as an AI Dividend, a payment to people for their data which goes into training AI that out competes them. It works as a transition policy to whatever economy total AI automation will create, and could even increase to give people a bigger share over time. Alternatively, AI automation could reduces the prices of goods to nearly zero over time, so a UBI would just help people get through the period chaos we're likely to face until then, while human workers are still losing jobs.
US Copyright law says it has to be done by a human, otherwise copyrights don't apply. If you wrote the lyrics then those would be your copyright material. Congress is going to have to take a serious look at this, which in turn would be a great opportunity for musicians/artists to step up & be heard. This whole situation takes me back to when midi started. People who couldn't play drums suddenly had the ability to create some serious licks. Technically a persons input, which could also apply to prompts. And what about AutoTune? Sure someone is singing but the "machine" makes them sound better by ensuring they are on key. Nobody naturally has reverb/delay/etc either. And didn't we all basically "steal" when learning how to sing/play an instrument like someone else, or use someone's style to write lyrics/melodies/etc? It's a slippery slope we are on...
@@zonegaming3498 In a way, we should be excited so much new content is entering the public domain, tons of AI art that can be used entirely freely, now AI generated music.
This is the same argument that is made every single time a new technology breaks through. From the folks that lost their jobs as book scribes, to the horse carriage makers, to the to orators that lost their jobs to the AM/FM radio, to the bank tellers who lost their jobs to ATMs. New technology is just another part of life.
LOL, it doesn't steal shit any more than any person listening to music learning how to create it. That's not how AI works. If you listen to enough music, you can create music in your imagination without ever touching a DAW. When AI listens to enough music, it can imagine new and completely original music and then EMIT it as a tangible sound file. I friggen love it and have made dozens of amazing tracks with it. I'm also a lifelong musician who has spent tens of thousands of hours developing my technique and I don't feel one bit threatened. In fact, I'm using FL Studio stem extraction to use Suno and Udio as a sample source as well as mixing my own guitar with Suno. I'm making the music *I* want to hear and I fucking love it!
Totally completely disagree resepctfully. I want to listen to music written nd played by humans no help from AI. All I ask for is a certificate so I know. It's like woodwork. Craftsmanship. The average kid will make amazing stuff because they just need to type not play.
@@ST-fl5fyArtists have probably been using Ai already and you’d have never known, but not for lyrics. Ai is bad at writing lyrics. AND, who cares who is playing the instruments? These days producers have just been using sample sounds, playing like.. violin on a computer keyboard. Lol. Many of us would love to make the music in our heads, a reality… but haven’t been able to because we don’t have access to the resources as those who have managed to record music. What if I’m talented, but can’t sing or afford music production software, technology or instruments? Many successful artists only get famous because of nepotism and connections. That’s why most the music we hear these days, are crap. We all can’t afford to pack up our things and move to LA to get the hook up. And it kind of p1sses me off when the privileged who have been LUCKY to get where they are in their fancy studios act like people who use Ai to help produce their music, aren’t doing any work. That’s ridiculous. The bare minimum you HAVE to be in order to write a good song with Ai, is a good songwriter. That is one of the most important talents to have.
@@DarthMadV playing samples sounds on a keyboard is actually playing that’s normal and still requires musicianship. I disagree though from what I’ve seen (depends what areas we’re talking about) Ai requires basic songwriting. It can actually write a song by tags and keywords and do it well. I want the choice to know how music like photography was created Ai or real artist so I can choose who to follow. I understand your point on singing ability. But things are going to get ridiculous. Diluted craftsmanship. Again I can’t change it but want a choice in what I listen too
@@ST-fl5fy Personally, I couldn’t give a crap. I just want to listen to good, fun music. From there, some Human-Ai artists should rise above the rest as they make consistently great music compared to the average human-ai artist, which will prove it’ still takes talent and musicianship to create great music, even with ai.
@@ST-fl5fy Who cares? Why is there an obsession with the idea that hard work, especially tedium (if the process isn't the goal, which for many it is not) is so coveted? It sounds like bitterness to me. "I worked hard to do the same thing, you should have to as well." and this is coming from a lot of creative corners if they aren't talking about how money wise that this impacts the world. Also, craftsmanship, really? How many items in your house do you actually own that were not made in part or in totality by robots in a factory bought from a company? The assumption that human made is better has been shown demonstrably false considering our world right now. A hand made car for instance, is not a good thing. Art gets far more leeway because there isn't some mathematical component to "good" art (music has some actually, but it's still a subjective medium, but there are a limited amount of notes/chords we can both hear and also are pleasing to us, unlike drawing, which can intentionally be more varied) Lastly, specifically saying some kid to make something amazing and trying to devalue it is both ageist and erroneous. People of all ages will use things to make stuff that wouldn't otherwise exist. If you really like the process of a craft, you do not care if others can do the same thing you can through a different and easier means. If you don't like the process, but like the output of what it affords, then you like the creation itself and are upset that you had to do a lot to get the creation you wanted. Which is fair, but to say it's about integrity or authenticity is nonsense. I generate art. I also draw. I use suno, I also sing and write lyrics. I enjoy the process of singing and writing. If my end goal is just a song being made, then I don't care about the process to make it, anymore than anyone cares how their car works. You either like the hobby, or you don't. But you might still want the end product the hobby might create. And that's fine. That's what all of us do with things we don't necessarily care for as a hobby.
Hello, it doesn't have to be bad, you can take advantage of it to be more creative...the technological world changes and one must change with it, adapt or be obsolete. 😮😮
I do sync music for tv, as today it is still not up to par in quality to compete with us, but it will get there. My vision is that when they understand they can bypass composers and not pay royalties then they will adjust AI to work on this direction. AI will benefit us as humans but it will affect us as well. grow your youtbe sell courses I think that will be more stable in the long run
I want the iA to clean, cook, build... and people to do arts, and the f****ng market is doing the opposite...
Well said!
😞so true..
So you wanted cleaners, cooks and builders to lose their jobs, but you did not want it to happen to you.... Interesting...
@@gyangting we are in a music channel so we are talking about music, i do not want anyone to lose their job, i think machines (long time ago) and now Ai should pay taxes (their owners corp) so we the people who need to eat and all this human things can live and do arts by getting granted a basic income from government paid by these greedy corporations
@@gyangting If you had machines doing things for you ,then there would be no need for money nor jobs. Do you like breaking your back, just so you can pay taxes to the people that do not care bout you?
I am a music producer myself and I can say with certainty that all music producers are inspired by other music. And that in the broadest sense of the word. Anyone who says he doesn't is lying. So why can't a computer do the same?
There are relatively few people who make money making music compared to the number of people who make music. 99% have never made money making music, but they put a lot of time into it. Perhaps professional music makers are a bit spoiled, because they get money for pursuing a hobby while others do the same without getting any money for it. And maybe the others do it even better. When you do something for money, you have to accept that the world is constantly changing and maybe at some point what you do is no longer so important. That happens in every industry. I would say adapt and move on.
100% agree with you
As a game developer I know it won't be long until they do the same with games. Guess I will have to just settle with making what I want to make regardless of AI.
Same with 'Good music' also I can play live and earn!!!!
Exactly @lennysmileyface and let me just say that you may even find AI useful to you and help you make what you want to make. There's certain things AI can do that you might not have thought of. You can always use AI to iterate out ideas - and pick out parts you like, and then reproduce and integrate them into your gamem music using your traditional workflow. the most important thing about art and music is that the artist is able to translate their imagination into reality and make what they want to hear or say what they want to say. Whether or not society rewards that with money should have no bearing over what you make - or else you are no longer making your own art - you're simply creating a commodity chosen by market forces which inevitably alienates you from your work and makes you disinterested and not put soul into it.
It's better when people make art because they wanted to make it not because it's what someone else is willing to pay for - in that case its not your own art its the customers' art that you're just being directed to make for them.
@@fast_harmonic_psychedelic Yeah I definitely agree. I have a vision for the game I want to make. If it made money it would be nice but if not at least I made something.
agreed i have some same mindset. im interested in doing everything. when i first decided to try to learn how to use google colab it was surprising going from thinking i would never be able to program anything to knowing python just because i was forced to learn it in order to train a marxist GPT-2. then dalle and clip came out and some early art generators and i just adapted to it so fast.. at this point i feel like I can do anything. Any problem i have or code i dont know how to write i can just ask bing or chatgpt to write that part of the code and it always works. nothing is out of my reach. Soon I'm going to figure out how to get AI to control the python terminal in blender and see what it can do.. Im also making psytrance by hand in the daw, making animated psychedelic music videos that react to the psytrance, and also making AI music singing About me making music videos and making psytrance lol. or making ai music about the pharmacy i go to being super reliable and fast - at the red light on my way to the pharmacy, then showing the pharmacist the song when i got there and her telling me to send it to her and gave me her personal number lol.. Its not a threat to me -- its just fun and usually funny to make. I have no illusions that i can somehow monetize AI music. Why should i make money on something i put no effort or time into? The way i see it- AI music should not be commercialized, people should just make AI music to make the music - not to get some cash reward .. i just enjoy hearing the music that didnt exist..
I wanted a song that sang by two singers male and female, the female in english the male in russian, both are hypersonic missiles in a love affair , she loves him but he explains that his trajectory is set in stone and cannot be altered. she says his hypersonic speed is her creed. Lol
This would NEVER EXIST if i didnt create it with AI but now it does exist and some day someone will find it as funny as i do, and we'll listen to it while hanging out and have laughs over it ..
What else is there besides moments like this lol.. what is this "industry" and "careers" i hear so much about - sounds like a real dream lol. The comments in this video look like true happiness lol...
Capitalism destroys everything good but you dont need to slave art to the service of capitalism, instead you should slave capitalism to the service of art like I do :P
@@lennysmileyface
Agreed, I share a similar mindset. I’m interested in doing everything. When I first decided to learn how to use Google Colab, it was surprising to go from thinking I would never be able to program anything to knowing Python, just because I was forced to learn it to train a Marxist GPT-2. Then DALL-E and CLIP came out, along with some early art generators, and I adapted to them so fast. At this point, I feel like I can do anything. Any problem I have or code I don’t know how to write, I can just ask Bing or ChatGPT to write that part of the code, and it always works. Nothing is out of my reach. Soon, I’m going to figure out how to get AI to control the Python terminal in Blender and see what it can do.
I’m also making psytrance by hand in the DAW, creating animated psychedelic music videos using AI that react to the psytrance and create something like a dmt trip, and even making AI music singing about me making music videos and making psytrance. like all of this is just because it was cool and i wanted to make it and do it my way.
Or making AI music about the pharmacy I go to being super reliable and fast - at the red light on my way to the pharmacy, then showing the pharmacist the song when I got there, and her telling me to send it to her and giving me her personal number. It’s not a threat to me-it’s just fun and usually funny to make. I have no illusions that I can somehow monetize AI music. Why should I make money on something I put no effort or time into? The way I see it, AI music should not be commercialized; people should just make AI music for the sake of the music, not to get some cash reward. I just enjoy hearing the music that didn’t exist before.
I wanted a song sung by two singers, male and female, the female in English, the male in Russian, both are hypersonic missiles in a love affair. She loves him, but he explains that his trajectory is set in stone and cannot be altered. She says his hypersonic speed is her creed.
This would NEVER EXIST if I didn’t create it with AI, but now it does exist, and someday someone will find it as amusing as I do, and we’ll listen to it while hanging out and have a good time over it.
What else is there besides moments like this? What is this “industry” and “careers” I hear so much about - sounds like a real dream. The comments in this video look like true happiness…
Capitalism destroys everything good, but you don’t need to enslave art to the service of capitalism; instead, you should enslave capitalism to the service of art, like I do. 😄
I'm a graphic designer and webprogrammer for 20 years. My biggest hobbie is music. My world is actually turned upside down. It's pretty wild to process. Implemented a lot of AI into my workflow, it makes stuff easier now but I know their are so many people that will be affected by this. The biggest thing is that it gives me a huge feeling of disrespect to ... hard to explain ... mankind. It's like washing away all the conciseness, the admiration for real art. I guess you know my I mean. I need stop writing and talk to Chat GPT about my crazy thoughts ... Wish you the best!
I think it feels like that becasue of the initial influx of "garbage content" not becasue AI is bad but more becasue people are literally trying to produce "digital waste" that no one really enjoys. But that's like social media being filled with shiitposters. The quality of the content is dependant on the one producing it.
Give ME a FN Break!!!!!!!!!! ALL the Holier than thoug "Artists"! YOU use sysnthesizers, DAWs. computer generated intruments from guitars to drums and MORE when YOU create your songs! YOU do NOT create songs totally devoid of help from Computers and the AI is just an extension of that. BOTTOM line is that it will mean MORE people can become song writers writing their own lyrics who do not know how to play an instrument or pay for their own band. And for live bands it means they now have an OVER abundance of songs that they can sing live by making deals with the song writers. The Genie is out of the bottle and it cannot be put back in. AI will enhance artists and not kill them!
Coders are becoming obsolete also now. Amazon just laid off hundred of its coders. Ai code generators can produce about the code about 50-75% of the way now and its only getting better every year. We will still always need people to oversee it but far less than before.
@@ElBamfo Lots of ok and subpar content.
You should not compare to waste the work of a professional designer! @@ElBamfo
I started writing songs not long ago and SUNO brought my stories to life. But I am not in any way pretending to be a musician, or an artist. I just don't have the gift and the knowledge that you have. Real musicians are needed, and I am sure that after the initial fad, customers will learn the difference between truly custom and randomly generated. Keep it up man, and please do not give up because that's the only true death of music as we know it. Respect.
I am a musician, and AI is helping me a lot. Now I have an infinite amount of original music to cover and play live, without worrying about copyrights. And instead of singing songs about broken hearts and gangsta rap, I can sing cover songs about whatever I want.
I've been a music producer all my life, I've released many many records and I think you should just embrace it. There's no way we're going back, this is just the start. Onwards.
Not just stock musicians - very very soon, film composers need not apply. This software can be integrated straight into video editing software.
You mean, into video generative AI software that is already in developement and will pop out within weeks/months. AI will soon (very, very soon) replace EVERY single creative aspect of humanity. We're talking about 8bn plumbers, picker-packers and bus drivers because we will end up exclusively with physical jobs available.
to be honest Hans Zimmer and his 9,000 imitators already killed films scores.
It will still take talented human minds to choose the best of the AI clip generations and put them together properly. If nobody is trained to play an instrument at an early age or trained in music theory, these minds will not exist.
@@EdgeO419 truth
Make better movies? If people can make a more intersting film in a few minutes on their laptop, then I'd rather watch that. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
First ChatGPT came for the copywriters, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a copywriter.
Then MidJourney came for the graphic designers, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a graphic designer.
Then Udio came for the musicians, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a musician.
Then AI came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Want a sci-fi about the shit that'll happen when GenAI gets our brainwaves? Check out my novel Above Dark Waters.
I played with it and it was scary (Some examples on my channel). It was the first time something was 'catchy'. MJ was cool, and ChatGPT kind of bland, but the songs here caught a share of my mind.
Oh and continently forget the Mathematicians and book keepers who faced this back in 1970!
😞
That was made with AI
Well said. I get what you’re saying.
The tag "Made by human" will become a quality.
What will it mean? Only acoustic instruments played in real time by human musicians? What about multitracking? What is "real singing" and where's the line on that - multiple takes, punch-ins, EQ sweetening, autotune? What about synths? Synths with sequencers? Professional recording engineer, or a basement musician using an AI mixing tool?
It's not going to be as it was.
How to proof it?
No it won't. People couldn't care less how something is made. They will choose the product that best suits their needs regardless of how it's made or who made it.
YES!!! FINALLY!
@@velly027Live performance?
Thank you for this. I can't tell you how powerfully this hit me. I am a retired software engineer (not AI) and a lifelong violin and guitar player. And recently mandolin. I have enjoyed recording with DAW's for many years, including a lot of work with both external and plugin synthesizers. I had been thinking of re-tooling up and looking to make a modest supplement to my income as a producer via mostly digital tools. I agree, this is now out the window. I may still play in the digital recording world, but I will spend most or my time playing instruments in various groups, sometimes in a show situation. but mostly amateur -- in the original sense of the word -- jams with friends. Passion is still there, but any idea of financial reward is now reckoned out.
Listening to you felt like listening to part of my own brain, so thanks again and good luck.
100% agree with you. Artists, composers, producers, all of us who dedicate ourselves to art, are literally dead (professionally and economically speaking).
And in reality, the fault is not the AI, it is society itself that does not care about the artists, it only wants the product, fast, simple and cheap.
We are facing the chronicle of a death foretold.
Sorry for my English.
Greetings from Spain.
Greetings, man, and let's keep just making music!
Nah, live music will be forever.
Don't worry.
Gen-Z in particuar doesn't give a fuck about authenticity.
We are fine in my opinion.
People can adapt to technology.
Orchestral music became less productive when computers took over music, but music itself didn't die. We made a new art form
Jokes on AI, I was already not making any money from my music!
no worries folks, AI is going to replace everyone eventually. the world as we know it is going to change in ways no one can even imagine
That's what I think too. But sometimes I really doubt the billionaires will give up their lifestyles to make a better world with AGI and ASI
Is it going to replace my lovely park walks , is it going to replace my amazing swim moments , is it going to replace my taste for the best food ? Is it going to replace my joy to see a live band at a festival ? Is it going to replace my quality time with my loved ones ? How exactly is AI gonna replace all that in my live ? I guess it is not ! Not at all !
@@elmentor8919Well said. At the moment AI commentary is all about hype and panic harvesting for clicks and views
AI will not replace you, but someone using AI will
@@elmentor8919 obviously I'm referring to work. Cringe comment
Authenticity is dying. Everything is becoming a cheap imitation. Soon I will have a replicant for a wife, listening to AI music, eating a lab grown burger.
:(((
I mean I'm fine with lab grown meat if it means the animal is still alive and lots of animals won't be in pain
@@HelamanGileles riches vont manger ta part ne t’inquiète pas.
@@HelamanGileyou're a 🤡
Simulation & simulacra
i think it was Picasso who said, "All artists copy, but great artists steal".
I remember in the 80s when sequencers and drum machines were the new object of concern. This is light years beyond that.
It´s not comparable because a drum machine has to be programmed by the musician.
AI came to fuck this up
AI is here...we are done.
And the exact same "arguments" used back then are being used now by the anti-AI crowd
Ça change rien pour les artistes de talent si ils sont capables de reproduire sur scène avec des musiciens parce que de nos jours les maisons disques vous signent plus vous laisse seul à tout faire
un studio d'enregistrement ça coûte minimum 100000€
Et une heure d'enregistrement c'est 50 €
,...................
Pour finir un morceau il faut plusieurs jours
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Hello Paul, thank you very much for this video. In my opinion, the chord progressions and arrangements created by SUNO and UDIO are already far above the level of many, many amateur home recording colleagues, including the semi-professionals. There is a sell-off of the last bit of creativity going on. It may be a "great toy" for everyone, even for my six-year-old granddaughter, for example, but the situation for music producers is likely to get worse in the future. I think it is increasingly unlikely that you will be able to earn a fair living with your own music at some point. For those who only do it as a hobby anyway and whose songs more or less just end up in a drawer, it doesn't really matter. Whether they continue to put together their own songs or just press a button and have complete songs created automatically is actually completely irrelevant. Conclusion: total sell-off of music, for just a few cents per song.
"Whether they continue to put together their own songs or just press a button and have complete songs created automatically is actually completely irrelevant." It may be irrelevant for you, but certainly not for them. There are people who don't see art purely as a business.
As a hobbyist music producer I still see great value and joy in making music. Nobody cares about my tracks and likely never will, but I enjoy creating way more than just pressing a button
That said, try creating something specific. I actually just spent about an hour with Suno and made several great options. But you can use it creatively: eg find the right genre, find good lyrics (create your own), make sketches. I can actually see it as a great sketchpad before committing to a song and doing exactly what you want manually.
It would be interesting if Ableton for example had it integrated and was producing actual tracks with full plugin settings and later allowing to tweak. That would be next level. Perhaps they are working on it :)
@@arseniharkunou tools will become available with these services for professionals to output stems, upload their own content and vocals to 'transform'. Probably at extra cost. Nothing is free in life and expecting to hold a music career indefinitely is delusional.
agree
You’ve never spent one minute of your life learning an instrument
Time to go to nature where we alla belong. Don’t forget your drums. 🪘😉🏝️🥥
Yeah I feel like a vacation I have been on an emotional roller coaster for a little while it feels like I have a difficult to understand emotion with AI I love how interesting and mind-blowing this technology is but I feel like it hits my ego kind of makes me feel useless I know I'm going to still create music because I love creating music it's just I won't have it as a job probably anymore hopefully I start getting a universal paycheck and that means we all get paid vacation and then we get to do whatever we want in our free time which I'm still going to make music and ambience and I'm still going to make films and other projects I don't think AI is going to change my objectives it might make my goals easier to achieve as well maybe we'll even have human-based platforms and museums and art appreciation for human art and it will all be funded by AI
If only. It's back to regular jobs for us all, making some asshole boss or capitalist rich. After all, in their eyes, that's what humans are there for.
yeah i actually do that sometime with friends .
10 billion people into the nature? That will end up bad... for nature....
Interesting topic. I just wanna get opinion, This is the situation. Jack is an artist. Famous one. He performed Live concert with thousand people watching. One fanatic named Kyle recorded one of the song into his iphone. after concert , Kyle was really inspired by Jack music style. He watch the video he recorded at concert again and again and practice try to learn the same music style. After few years of practice he managed to become pro and finally made his own album (not copying Jack) rather inspired version which he added with other style he learn all the years past. When interview by forbes, a question forwared to kyle, who inspired you? then Kyle says well its Jack from the live concert fews years back. See this is valid case in music industry.
Now suno ai (Generative ai) actually seems using the same model, however it can do it just in 5 seconds with super cheap. Just because it can learn and produce faster, it become threat to all artist in the world? Just becuase real artist cant keep up with the same speed, suddenly it become threat and should have a motion to against it?
Remember not only music industry lost their job, programmers, content creator, journalist many more face the same fate. Why their voice not being heard? because they are normal people that doesnt show up on screen. while artist have the position to influence much more audiences. To put it in simple terms, artist think that they are so special and the rest of the people with their job being threaten by Ai should adapt but NOT Artist.
Just a humble opinion.
Yes and many paid "musicians" have been shameless early adopters of tech and producing corporate junk content for years with zero issues.
A lot of musicians lost their jobs when recording music was invented. Movie theaters used to have live musicians. AI was inevitably going to happen as long as technology kept advancing.
Yes and people needs to adapt. It is only bad for the people who can't adapt but for people who are using this technology its good. Unfortunately with this kind of technology everyone can now create their own music. So if you are trying to fight this kind of technology and you are a musician, then you are against everyone now. Because that is the real sense of all this complains... musicians do not want other people to be capable of creating their own music because if everyone can do it then who needs them right??
21:15 Where are the protests? Illustrators and photographers have been protesting since 2022, there's a class action lawsuit going on that has FINALLY been greenlit despite stability and midjourney pleading for dismissal, the data poisoning tools are being developed as well as detection tools to recognize AI generated imagery. The problem though is that this whole time everyone's been ignoring this issue and happily supporting Midjourney and the likes of it because suddenly they were able to get album covers, book covers, t-shirts designs etc for the price of cheap sibscription. Some would say the time to protest has already passed, people have voted with their wallets directly supporting companies that are now developing AIs to replace them. Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay optimistic and seeing more and more groups of people being impacted by this I'm hoping we'll collectively start rejecting anything that was made with generative AI making it unprofitable for anyone to release products made with AI so that human creation and art can continue to thrive.
PS. I feel like we illustrators were at the same place that musicians are today two years ago when Midjourney dropped. So yeah, two years and I'm proud to let you know that many of us are still working. I'm still drawing full-time, I even began experiencing an interest in my traditional drawings. Sure, some people lost clients, but I'm hearing of plenty of artists getting even more jobs because clients are starting to look for something that "doesn't look so much AI-ish". So perhaps it's not all doom and gloom, I think this mainly impacts the stock markets where you don't need anything specific or unique.
PS2. Greetings from Warsaw :)
If you want to stop things using AI. You wont have social media even TH-cam, probably the new phones too or any smart devices... because guess what they are all using AI. So I suggest you to stop using anything that uses AI. So why are you here on youtube? TH-cam has taken a big percentage of entertainment industry from other mediums, don't you know that? Me? I love youtube and I plan to just adapt with the changes. Be true to yourself you just complain on the things that affects you.
@3102nzain I think you're misunderstanding a bit, no one says boycott all AI, this is just about generative AI. There are AIs being used to speed up science and medical research, to help us understand animal communication better, pretty sure no sane person would be against that.
@@ArucardPL Bro the video is about AI stealing humans work from them specifically about music generating AI... so why just focus on music generating AI right? My point is all AI's work can be done by humans but thousand times faster. And I think you said AI is being use to speed up research to help us, right? Music generating AI is speeding up making music for everyone too. Do you see the similarity?Before youtube, only film makers, actors etc can make their own shows... now everyone is capable to make their own content, their own show, their own films. You know what, youtube uses AI too. Do you know how much percentage is affected by youtube on other entertainment mediums, like TV, radio etc? It is big bro. Everyone is trying to adapt bro not just the music creators. Also many people will benefit from this AI generating tools because they can now create their own music. Before music creators can monopolize the music industry because some people can't create their own music. Probably because they do not have the money to buy instruments, do not have the tools to create good music. But now it is a lot cheaper to make. We are now capable to express how we feel by making our own music and listen to the music we created. Example me I love listening to the music and songs that I created by using this AI tools. It makes me remember my childhood and my experiences in life. Isn't it a good AI technology to have? Taking it away means I have no choice but to listen to other people's music. Should I just wait for a good song to be created, the kind that speaks to me? Or create one myself?
Damn, it happened so fast. I thought it will take a few more years and now everything is f**ked already! 😢
The audio quality itself is still not there but give a year or two :/
@@razorgarfYou can drop the AI songs into AI mastering programs like LANDR and boom, quality is way better in minutes
it's moving super quickly. 6 months ago half this stuff wasn't even a thing
@@razorgarf Like most, you haven't recalibrated your futurizing neurons for the age of AI. Crank the "exponentially" knob up a level or two, and you'll hit the correct two to three months prediction
@@ItWasntAPhase People often mix up mastering with mixing.
Can LANDR improve the quality of the stem tracks too?
Wow. As a conservatory-trained musician and composer for over 40 years this is just...(no words), but there will still be live performing.
Live music doesn't pay enough to leave my house for
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TL;DR - The cream will rise to the top. People that can write music but can't sing can now create music.
Came from a generational musical family from Motown. I've seen things come, go and stay. Live sessions musicians, synthesized sounds, auto-tune, then fruity loops. It's okay. Music isn't everyone's thing. It takes me at least 3 hours to make a good song with Suno or Udio. It takes me less than that in a studio.
@@reno419rockstar I spend a couple of days in Udio churning out tracks attempting to guide it towards full length songs. Right now it is so unpredictable it is hard work to get any output that fits my ideal of how the song should progress (from beginning to end). I kinda gave up. It is very unfriendly towards those who want more creative control over it's paramaters and output. Hopefully that will improve with time though. I want to be able to output stems, upload my own works to 'transform'. Use my own vocals etc.
@@Mopantsu The things you want will all happen, probably sooner than you think, and hopefully there will be GPU based tools that run locally too. The people who stand to lose the most from new AI music tools like suno and udio aren't the composers, they're companies like Reason Studios, Ableton and Image line. Those companies will be forced to adapt or die, much like how Adobe was forced to add AI powered autofill to photoshop, or be left in the dust by image generators. Right now these web services are just toys, but t hey are very nice toys, and very solid proof of concept for a better suite of actual tools. It's really only just beginning.
Let's think about this for a moment, a musician comes along and writes a new song and that song has a fresh and different style, so a new genre is born.
This genre takes off say like house or techno did, next thing you know 1000's of other musicians are writing tracks using similar sounds and beats.
Are these musicians plagiarising the guy that came up with the new genre?
Just to be clear, I run a small recording studio and write my own music in my down time.
If AI and the androids to come that it will be installed in are writing tracks for commercials, corporate video's etc it will leave the real musicians time to write what they want. I know that I would be much happier writing my own personal tracks than composing some cheesy track for a pizza commercial.
While AI is proving that it can do more and more things a human can let's not forget it will also be cleaning toilets , working down a mine shaft, emptying our garbage bins and waiting on us hand and foot.
So ultimately we will have more time to do what we enjoy, yes it will take a lot of jobs but the decision making and the main creativity will be left to humans and we will have more time for these activities.
If I load up Chat GPT on my computer and stare at it for a week it will do absolutely nothing, but if I give it the right prompt or ask it the right question it can do wonders.
The only problem I see with it is the fact that it can be abused by the wrong people and this is what really needs to be regulated and prevented by incorporating the appropriate safety measures within the software.
Man was never meant to fly....... Just saying.
It's another tool to speed up productivity, I have played with these music models myself and they have impressed the hell out of me as to how good they sound BUT generate 10 or 20 songs using the same prompt and you will start to hear a mass produced flavor to the songs, most of the good tracks that make it to the charts have something unique about them that makes them interesting. Yes there are some that just ride a wave of the genre but if that is what some people want to listen to that's fine too.
As mentioned, drum machines and synthesisers were considered evil by traditional musicians back in the late 70's and beyond, now they are totally acceptable when writing and recording tracks.
It's an interesting time with the introduction of AI at the moment and one that I know will go down in history as a major turning point in our development as a species.
I embrace it and look forward to the things that are to come, both musical and otherwise.
I hope you got value out of my 2 cents worth and no this was not an AI generated response 🙂
Write something new and interesting and they will listen to it!
I’m old as dirt and have a hard time listening to a lot of modern music because almost every track reminds me of something I listened to 20-30 years ago. Let’s see if AI can create a new CCR or Bob Dylan .
The same thing was saying in the industrial revolution... Change, everything is change
Ai music is here and taking over the world. 😍
If you're talented, and you got an artistic vision, and your parents don't work in the industry, then these programs can actually benefit you.
As an author, I understand the challenge of increasing competition. But just as writers continue despite the influx of new books, musicians must also adapt. Many people don't want to create-they want to consume. Readers read, listeners listen, and viewers watch. Now, there’s more content than ever, and entertainment's rapid pace has caught up with musicians.
This isn't new. Other industries have faced similar disruptions, often aided by AI. Musicians have benefited from these changes, even as other jobs were lost. The key is adapting, just as those before you did by utilizing new technologies.
Real artists will always be in demand, especially for live performances. AI-generated music, which cannot be copyrighted, offers new opportunities. Artists can cover and publish more content without legal issues. The need for traditional setups-bands, studios, producers-diminishes. This evolution raises the question: what are we losing versus what are we gaining?
For me as a writer, AI means more competition. But competition isn't new; it’s a constant for indie authors and small bands alike. What's exciting is the ability to create books, images, and music with minimal experience in these other fields. AI empowers us to produce and market our work affordably, expanding our creative reach.
Consumers benefit from this explosion of creativity, gaining more choices in entertainment. While anyone can create with AI, the demand for genuine artistry remains. Live performances, in particular, gain value. Artists can use AI to enhance their work, breaking through previous limitations.
Personally, I’ve used AI to write lyrics, produce music, and create visuals for my characters-things that were financially out of reach before. AI tools have enabled me to bring my artistic vision to life affordably. This accessibility has opened doors for many who couldn’t afford traditional artistic resources.
AI-created images using tools like MidJourney offer unique character depictions that aren’t possible with stock photos or hired models. This exclusivity was unattainable before AI.
I empathize with the challenges artists face today. Accept the reality and use AI to your advantage. There's always a new niche waiting to be discovered. Embrace AI to enhance your artistry and outperform the competition. Adapt and thrive, as creatives have done with every technological advancement. Let's seize this opportunity and evolve together.
Well put, I agree. Live performances is where the money in the music industry is going to go. Ai can't stage dove into a crowd or cry during a moving performance. That's where the artistry of music will live on forever.
I just made a djent, death metal, jazz piano, funk, quartet song on Suno, which turned out to be so much more interesting and creative than the bland insipid crap I hear on the radio these days.
I see it as nothing more than a tool for my musical arsenal.
Well you got the point there my friend. You made your own song using AI and creators like this one on the video doesn't want that to happen. Because if everyone can make their own song, then he can't make money anymore selling his own song. Making songs won't be profitable anymore for him. Because AI can make songs cheaper and faster and more personalized to your liking and he can't compete with that. But he will realized that he just needs to accept it and adapt. He cant do anything to stop it.
Actually in a way this rise in AI is going to destroy the capitalist market, and good riddance. Music will come back to being fun and something that everyone can participate in. As you say, home studio artists are fine, it's the mainstream market that is being replaced. So much talent out there is being wasted, talented musicians selling their souls and their talent to the corporate world. Making corporate jingles and corporate movie soundtracks that trick us into feeling all sorts of things, usually with the intention of making profit from us. I don't watch the ads and mainstream stuff anyway. Let AI take those jobs. Artists are now given a new set of tools and instruments to create with. I am really excited to hear what sorts of mind blowing audio experiences are on the horizon.
That's life. People need to get a grip and get with it. The truth is the music indrutry and "pros" have sucked for a long time, this just devalued the suck. Now people have no option but to get better or disappear. Which is a GOOD THING.
please clarify for "music industry pros"
Real AUTHENTICITY is going to be HYPERVALUABLE. We will grit our teeth and show them what REAL humans are made of. Excellent video.
I think so too. I also think soon it will be obvious what is AI and what is not. It’s just a hype for a while and it’ll go back to the background and being used as a tool. Which it is
It is and always will be
I don't think so 😢
I feel like all music makers should band together, make a joint fund and withdraw all human made music behind a paywall. They can all get fucked with their AI machines. No computer is bigger than the Source of our creativity. This was a super satisfying video to watch - thanks for making it!
Humans are flesh . And flesh is weak.
it's unstoppable, every job, no matter whether musician, artist, doctor, police, scholar, accountant or programmer, everyone will be replaced by AI. In other words, everyone on this planet will lose their job, or at least their current job sooner or later. That's not a problem of AI or technology, it's a problem of capitalism and social policies.
Until the solar storm appeared.
I fear something of the same, but somewhere along that path there will be chaos, riots and something will change in some way.
Although capitalism has its downsides (Human Greed) it also bought the price of guitars and music equipment down through mass production and private enterprise. The pop music industry from rock to hip hop was not birthed under communist regimes and it’s improbable that it ever could.
y'all need to quit fuckin doom saying... literally nothing an AI can do with music is going to be better than one a human can do, they simply don't have the means. Not to mention AI in it's current form is wildly unsustainable, it's gonna slow down and eventually not even be worried about
@@richardkrispell7904 Yes, communism only brings misery to the world.capitalism brings both progress and some problems.
My problem is the attitude that these "artists" have regarding their particular medium, whether it's visual art, music, or anything else the AI is now intruding on, they take this elitist standpoint as if they are the sole purveyors and gatekeepers of creativity. I've been using AI for well over a year now, and the stuff that I produce visually, even the few things that I produced using Suno, I enjoy immensely. The thing these artists forget, is that not everybody is a highly educated or well experienced artist that enjoys the subtleties and nuances of whatever art medium there enjoying at the moment. These elitist attitude artists need to realize that 99.99% of the population just wants to hear a good song that makes him feel good, or see a pretty picture that they can say "hey that's cool". Once these artists get off their soapbox, and start embracing this new tool, they'll be able to produce things that the regular lay person will not be able to.
Making speeches, pictures, music, all that is nothing but clownish entertainment. I will not be impressed with AI until it comes up with a hair growing remedy that actually works. That would be a REAL revolution!
The only thing 'bad' is what they create. It is not listenable, but, as it gets better, what's to complain about? We will have better music to accompany us through life (including from human composers and producers (and performers) who have to raise their artistic bar).
This was already coming a mile away
The AI just fast tracked the death of music making process
Did drummers stop playing drums when drum machine was invented? Do people pay to see two computers play chess?People are in team Human and will always prefer human made over computer made. Perfect is boring. If AI makes those producers to stop making music who make it only for money, then i think there is nothing wrong with it. Rest of us continues as always. Peace!
@@digidopeyou are thick. Don't pretend to have a PHD in philosophy with your big words and bald predictions
@@patrick5301 It is what it is. We will never stop making music and playing it live.
@@digidope The drum machines didn't replace drummers argument is a crass and silly, since all drum machines did is provide another tool for musicians to create a rhythm track. As such, a whole new aesthetic was created that while, it intersected with previous forms, could never adequately replace them. Also, one needs skill to use a drum machine to the degree that someone like Aphex Twin would. AI doesn't just replace a part of music production/creation, it takes over the whole process and does away with the need for skilled practioners of the craft entirely. This is completely different to replacing or in some cases augmenting a certain part of a piece using technology.
@@patrick5301 what were the big words he used? Invented? Or was it Prefer? I keep reading his short paragraph and I cannot fathom which word you could've possibly defined as "big". Oh shit... did I just use a big word?
I’ve been saying this for years now & posted about it. People are only starting to understand it now more. I’m a multi-instrumentalist, composer/producer, pro artist dj, general designer, artist, 3D modelling etc. Since lockdowns etc my work & gigs has been in trouble & now it’s just f**ked while I’ve been on benefits unable to get work. My Music Library work I’ve been doing for many years also f**ked! This is people’s heart & soul, it effects their mental health!
Nice Chomsky quote later in the video bro. I’m starting a campaign to raise awareness, also I will be trying to arrange a appointment with a member of parliament(MP) to discuss all this serious concerns! It’s OUR LIFE AND OUR JOBS! Gonna be the ghost of Frank Zappa fighting against this bs as best I can even if I think it’s a lost cause!
Too many idiots out there that will be using this already & other A.I art platforms! F**k all this shit man! You’ve said a lot of things I say! No one protests but everyone else does! No one cares about the arts in general! Very sad! 60% of jobs will not be safe from A.I & Humanoids by next year! The matrix literally awakened already the past few years! We are under attack in so many ways in life! Kurwa mac!
There are also some pop artists trying to take legal action for copyrights.
Anyway I understand & relate with your frustrations with it all as I deal with it too. Things not looking good with the WHO Worldwide Pandemic Treaty, the push of H5N1 virus again & possible G5 Geomagnetic storm forecasted for 2025 which could cause grid system failure with blackout. Lawlessness implemented in the cities & organised chaos. It’s just so f**ked!
Orwell’s hell! Rage against this sh*tty machine! This is the industrialisation of the cyber world! Their NWO!
Great points except you lost me in the last 2 paragraphs
@@miezeken what do you not understand & I’ll try to elaborate on it man 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Thanks for the reply, I meant to say I agree with everything you wrote and I think you made a compelling case however the second last paragraph substantially dilutes your argument by tying it to other problems I feel unnecessarily.
@@miezeken hey man, yes sure I can see where you would see that but that’s ultimately the point. I’m torn between wanting to take action but understand also the other impending dooms we face as a people more then just A.I threat and our lives/jobs. It’s quite a layered cake of issues up head, the WHO global pandemic treaty, H5N1 avian variant being pushed again currently or Disease X talks, the forecast for a super solar flare(G5) by 2025 which could cause grid system failure, cyber slavery, Great Depression part 2 etc. hope that puts it into focus man 🤜🏽🤛🏽
the massive attack stlye music sounds nothing like massive attack nor trip hop in general, it has far too uplifting tone to it. Scary developments nonetheless.
Agree 100%
if you try that prompt a few times it'll get it eventually
AI and Music: A Dream Come True for Lyricists?”
Since middle school, I’ve been writing song lyrics. Unfortunately, I lack the ability to compose music or play any instruments. Growing up in a financially challenged family, I couldn’t afford music lessons. Now, with an autoimmune disease that has stiffened my joints, learning to play an instrument seems even more daunting.
I don’t have the means to hire a singer or produce music to accompany my lyrics. However, discovering AI tools that allow me to add my lyrics, specify a genre, and create a song structure feels like a dream come true. But is it fair for me to publish this music?
The video you mentioned raises valid points. I empathize with musicians who’ve dedicated their lives to mastering the craft, only to face competition from AI-generated music. Used correctly, AI could be a powerful tool without undermining hardworking artists. Still, I share your concern about music becoming cheap and ubiquitous.
On the other hand, hearing my lyrics come to life is exhilarating-I did write them, after all. While I grapple with the ethical implications, I appreciate the possibilities AI offers. Perhaps striking a balance between human creativity and technological assistance is the key.
As a lyricist and songwriter, I think you made a most valid observation and commentary here.
Thank you for your response.@@GeecheeLionsJourney
I'm an indie author, but this is how I'm using AI..I wanted to make a soundtrack for my book, but there is no way I can afford several bands and studio time for them to put music to my lyrics. However, now I am able to write my soundtrack and have that as a boost for my novel. It has allowed me to bring life to my words in ways that previously were not possible. It isn't taking away a musicians job because I couldn't afford them in the first place, but it is allowing for musical stories that wouldn't have existed to now be fully realized.
folio rocked man. that is better than most music on radio today
Not only stock music. When artists aren't creating as much music, the instrument manufacturers are going to slowly scale back producing new hardware instruments, as well as vsts. Demand will go down. Unfortunately the general public ear doesn't care if it's AI they're listening to or a human.
Well, they always can still go and listen to human music. It's not like it's going to take them more effort to do so
@@patrick5301 The companies investing in these solutions will do everithing in their power to make it as inconvenient as possible to listen to human made music.
Just like streaming and before digital downloads slowly killed album sales, AI Music will kill human made music because humans want things fast, cheap and convenient and companies with huge budgeds are standing at the gates ready to offer these solutions.
At some point not too far away, we won't be able to tell either.
What?! 😂 Playing an Instrument is still fun. 😃 Despite if there is AI music or not.
Native instruments pianos taking 250Gb disk space for all the piano samples is not the peak of technology though. Pianoteq is more advanced in a way, but even they haven't gone for machine learning yet.
Thank you for making a real video. There's so many people who are lying to themselves saying that this is somehow going to be great for music, they're delusional because they can't accept the reality.
Part of this relentless boosterism comes from the fact that AI is probably the only part fo the stock market that isn't spiralling into financial oblivion.
Should making music be limited to only people who can physically make sounds on an instrument and those who understand music theory? Because AI has given the layperson the ability to write and create songs. Truly talented artist and songwriters will always be more popular than AI, but now music is accessible to everyone. I have a hard time seeing why that is bad.
@@TheTacticalBat You telling just nonsence.
If you want produce music, you need give it time and hard work. You also need have inner feeling that you express into final product - a song.
But you simply isnt able to transform inner feeling or even hearing whole song inside in you.. with cheap text prompt. This concept of being prompt artist is just satanic illusion that controls you.
Yes after you hear that prompt transformed into some random song, you brain will give you lot of dopamine bursts so you will feel like god.
Avoid such cheap illusion and try to live true life.
If a non musician make music with ai it means he is generating music and not making it . Because a non musician can never make music . The ai can . The point is , if someone would like to make music , he has to put the effort and learn how to do it , instead of becoming a “ prompter “ lol
I’m an illustrator. Midjourney came for me last year and took several jobs out from under me and everyone told me, “adapt”.
We’re all meant to scrub toilets while the machines do all our creative and leisure activities.
a man that scrubs toilets is more important than a lazy musician
@@EthanWombat13-om1en that toilet scrubber definitely positively impacts more people
@@GeahkBurchill Well, AI first created the replacement of musicians and creators, but it still hasn't been able to replace a bathroom cleaner.
People don't care until it's their own livelihood threatened.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MILLIONS OF MACHINIST CRATSMEN MECHANICS WENT THROUGH OVER LAST 40 YEARS HERE AND THIS GUY WANTS PITY BECAUSE NOW THE MACHINE HAS CIME FOR MEDIOCRE TUNE DIDDLERS WHAT WHY DO YOU THINK THE RUST BELT IS IN THE MIDWEST IF YOU THINK THIS GUY WHINES WAIT TILL WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAWYERS
I completely disagree, it is one of the best tools in history, and it will make a million things easier for everyone. Oh and it's something that's not going to stop, so either you adapt or you get angry at the world for something you can't control. The technology is incredible and fascinating, what is being achieved is historic, and it will benefit humanity, it is already doing so.
As soon as you start to see what has happened throughout history, it has always been the same, when the camera was created the realism painters thought they were running out of work, however there have never been more realism painters in the world that today, and thanks to TECHNOLOGY, they can become known throughout the world without having to have money, all that is required is talent.
If an AI can replace what you do, what you do probably isn't that unique. The music that I have made (mostly hip hop beats) can be made perfectly by an AI, I did not try to revolutionize anything or create anything new, and that inspires me to start breaking the barriers of what I did, of the standard, and innovate by about what exists. This is an incredible opportunity.
I'm one of those unicorns who is obsessed with IT, technology and AI and at the same time and equally into music production. I saw this coming a mile away 10+ years ago. Stop whining about the inevitable and start thinking about how you gonna adopt. Me personally im going to use it to develop my own. That is designed to complement and not replace me. The technology in itself is not evil. The companies who have the most money to develop it are. The solution is open source. They "stole" our data, we "steal" their AI.s Only fair.
Ok this might sounded a bit harsh. You are right about the problems. I don't know the solution. I only know that i kinda saw it coming and ill try to use the same technology differently for good.
I don't think the industry will die though but it will turn upside down like everything else will in the future. Stock music might take a big hit but there might be other avenues. The young generation actually likes a lot of analog and retro stuff and the human element is very important. So I think people will just become more conscious about their art choices over time. Yes some advertising music might be totally generated by AI but we never really considered most of that art before anyway.
A great song will always be a great song!! If AI is actually lucky enough to create a great song, that actually resonates with the human heart and soul --it will be just that, PURE LUCK!! This is a great entertainment and a lot of fun, but the next step is actually to create DAW's and other workflow machines that take our chord progressions, words , and aspirations to new human heights. Humans write for humans---some will consume this "fast food" but most ears will hunger for the REAL thing.
Just my humble opinion. Cheers to ALL the human creators out there!! Long live human endeavor!!!
They can take all the shortcuts they want, from what I learned with 20+ years of musicology is that they always get exposed at some point and fall. Sure it’s gonna shake the actual shit show that is the popish music industry lately, but even for compagnies that are gonna use it people are gonna feel it and slowly stop caring. Music has always been circling, I’d argue that the human side of things is gonna come back stronger than before at some point. Another thing for sure we ve been seeing the effect of boycotts lately, latest exemple is the dumb move of waves that nearly cost them everything, lots of us won’t even care for products that are related to this. The scenarists are already struggling for a couple of years because of ia, especially for streaming platforms the result? A desert of lame cinematography that is costing them billions, I mean last year has to be the worst in terms of cinematographic excitement. But nothing surprising there, I’m a composer and I already knew 10years ago that it was collapsing, they use premade patterns in movies for years now, which means composers have really narrow corridor to navigate mark my words it will circle back to experience and human touch. As for the masses that will be caught in the robotic brain dead agenda of the big corporations it is what it is, but if you expected to make money from this crowd it was on you to begin with and I mean no disrespect we are all learning here. I don’t know what you maestros will do, but for me? I’m gonna keep one hand on the ai train and the other on learning as many skills as I possibly can I wish you guys the best from the bottom of my heart cause I know it’s gonna be a rough ride but if we communicate and stick together we ll create our own network, bakers or traders that will suddenly decide to pretend to be a pop star thanks to suno or whatever will be a little joke on the side cheers 🍻
So how are we going to use it to our advantage ? is the question/focus, like the wheel ?
as he said, thats not farming, if music is taken over nobody cares. if they take the food and water is another story
These are tools. These tools in the hands of this artist, I will do amazing things in less time and little cost....its all about perspective. Suno is amazing and I am using it in my workflow as a music producer.....what a time to be alive!🎉🎉
I feel your pain. The only way for pros like you forward is to learn to use this stuff as a tool, as your experience will have you be ahead of others. The only thing that will not die soon are live concerts. And you are right - business people will just look for lowering costs, they might even do things themselves now. They do not care for your bread in the basket.
What might help is if the AI developers made the AI to output Chord symbols with the lyrics and MIDI tracks along with the MP3's so that one could use the AI to get a first cut and then edit the MIDI to personalize it much the same way that many use ChatGPT to write a first draft.
already
use a stem splitter. they output midi.
@@olabassey3142 Yes, I have done that but the results are a bit iffy.
@@RonLWilson then play the rest by ear lol 😂. this is where being a good producer comes in. or use melodyne to get the midi of the audio file. or scalar
@@olabassey3142 Yes, I have done that, but that those have limitations and extra steps to the workflow as well.
What’s gonna happen is that performing artists are gonna get paid more. Real artist will be paid more. Music is still an art form we’re humans express themselves creatively. Who maybe hurt will be engineers and some genres of music. We’ll see how this happens. I am happy I am singer and producer and I try to mix my songs as best as I can. We’re all are gonna have to step up lyrically and musically. The unorthodox will be the style that gets all the attention. Now I see why the Screen Actors Guild went on strike as a part to stop them from using AI to write scripts for movies. This is sad
возможно пора бить уже тревогу композиторам, аранжировщикам, продюсерам, микс и мастеринг инженерам....
No cause there will be more musician's competing for those live gigs pushing the price down. In the world of AI branding is everything, maybe you can sell a t-shirt
It's already reached a price I can't afford to pay.
Very easy to play by ear no need for midi tracks , if a musicien can’t figure out 4 chords he better go doing something else
if non-AI music stops then the development of music also ends pretty soon, when you feedback the AI generated music into the AI, the algorithms will start to breakdown as they become increasingly generic... I guess they will try to compensate for that through randomisation and some sort of threshold values... but it will go round and round on itself forever... if they aren't able to tell which music was AI generated or 'pre-AI' then they may have some historical cut-off point and choose to ignore new music after a certain date, that could then exclude 'real music' from getting fed into the algorithms in the future... we're in for an interesting ride. But generally, I think you are correct, simply because so much generic music will be generated now, that it will swamp the internet it's going to be really tough for human producers unless they are also performing as a live act.
It's called Model Collapse and it happens very quickly.
As opposed to the non generic Taylor Swift songs topping the charts right now? The horror.
But why should non-AI music disappear?
Even in the worst-case scenario, when all the crooks who make 'art' for money stop doing it, there will still be real artists who create for self-expression.
Exactly, the AI algorithms will become so censored and diluted, all AI music will begin to sound like a hybrid soup of Bach, Abba, and Taylor Swift. Happy little pop songs with subliminal messages. Meanwhile, I'll summon the spirits with an organic broth of horrorscope deepcreep psytrance
you're wrong, supervised training models can be trained to generate new experimental content with simple like/dislike buttons
I've been using Suno and I'm so impressed by what I can come up with in a short amount of time...the power I have to produce quite decent sound for projects I have in mind..it's like I'm in a candy store.
That being said, I do also see where you are coming from and very much understand your point.
I had light fight about it with my wife recently... She was very angry at me even talking about AI. She wants to live away from technology and be done with it. Which I understand. But the technological progress will be made and it will happen. I think this is not only your frustration. This is all creators frustration. You were not scared of Midjourney or GPT, because its not as close to your skin as for photographers for example. Think about guys that did visual fx in movies - they are obsolete now as well. But so are the farmers, who will be replaced by tech and other operators. I am in finance field. I already see changes coming here quickly as well... I did hear AI generated song made in tune of Depeche Mode (we, Poles, all love those guys :) If you would tell me its from some B-side, I would not blink an eye. But here is worse - my emotional reaction to that AI generated song was similar to real life. I did have goose bumps when the chorus / bridge came in... So what I think will happen is the following: (1) Bands and performers will survive somehow and live music will still be there, (2) It will become luxury product, (3) Stock music is dead. Probably Netflix is already hireing guys to put out songs using those AI products for their movies; (4) We need to figure out how to protect the IP, and this IP would be your band's style - which as of now, I have no idea how to even quantify/identify that, (5) The person who will lead us in the fight for keeping musicians protected will be... Taylor Swift (You will see).
Scary indeed, but this is no different than anything else at all! There are many examples for that: Working/performing/studio musicians were already replaced with sample libraries. That's just one example. Bands and ensembles were replaced either by DJs or one man band arranger keyboards that can also be used for recording purposes. This is hardly shocking at this point! In fact, what makes anybody thing there won't be an AI model that can accept much more musical input from a user as a prompt. Say, the user puts: Make a pop ballad in the key of Fm, use the following chord progression, repeat the chorus twice and modulate to the key of such and such.. and so on! What makes anyone think this type of tech is not going to be available next Monday?
The difference is that one was people replacing other people and evolving.
This is something else.
It's removing the human from the equation entirely (except for the few who profit from it).
But you are correct that capitalism has essentially been driving real art into oblivion for some time.
That was already hard to find in this kind of economy.
But the new economy is entirely of a different scale.
It's more like techno feudalism and we all just became the peasants and the slaves
@@MattAngiono But not really. Companies have hired people and developed various technologies that ultimately eliminated many jobs altogether. Many of those positions don't even exist anymore. This applies to both the music and film industries, which I have been a part of as a professional musician for the past 30 years. Some key positions have been reduced to just ONE person doing multiple tasks. This is simply an evolution of how things began to change in a particular direction. The only thing that has changed is the rate at which these changes are evolving. This is absolutely new!
@@lgbtqarchives well, the rate means A LOT!
In the past, with the turn over, there was time to find other forms of income for most people and the amount of unemployment was relatively stable (though it certainly didn't feel that way to those displaced).
I'm not saying it was good then.
I think capitalism has been terrible for people.
But there have still been people keeping the economy going and fitting into the cracks.
This new displacement is going to be so huge that that illusion is about to be shattered.
For people paying attention, it already has been, as with the creator of this video.
This economy can no longer function in the way it has for hundreds of years.
But we haven't yet figured out how to give people an opportunity to make a living when there aren't jobs.
I'm fine with having less workers, but without another way to survive and provide for a family, this is going to be very disruptive.
In the end, it can be a good thing, but that requires a whole new type of economy and value system.
The issue is that big tech already realizes this and has some horrific plans to deal with the situation.
They have already built techno feudalism and intend to only make it worse.
They own everything...
We own nothing, but somehow are "happy"?!?
Sounds like they are also going to have to brainwash us
Great video. The impact on musicians will be huge but what about on the music industry in a whole. With this I mean the software developers of plugins, synths (hard and software). If the musicians earn less money they have less money to spend on musical equipment. Do we see less companies or will there be plugins developed by AI?
Excellent video. As a songwriter, studio owner and musician, people who know me have been surprised at how much I've embraced Suno these past few weeks. I've just completed my first ai album and what a journey it's been.
But I had the same epiphany as you when i started. A paradigm shift has begun! Independent commercial musicians and composers better start adapting. Learn the tools, all of them, and incorporate them into your workflow. It's not ai taking your jobs. It's the people using ai who are taking your jobs.
On a positive note, I predict we're soon to enter a whole new world of wonderful music out there on the airwaves. Goodbye generic samey pop music. My experience with Suno tells me it has the ability to perfect and emote anything it touches. Our job is to pick out the definitive versions. To tweak and hone the lyrical content and style. Once achieved, literally millions of amazing tunes will be heading our way sooner than we realise.
And yes, everyone should probably stop thinking of making music for a living as a viable option. Music making is about to become democratized and freely available to the masses. Which is a beautiful thing. As for us pro music makers...it was good whilst it lasted.
How do you fine tune what it spits out? Do you have access to the stems?
There are AI tools doing the split🙅♂️
I have been playing with LANDR. It masters a song for you in minutes. Pretty impressive for where we are at
But one AI producer can take the job of 20 normal producer.
So thats not going to work out.
Music making was already available to the masses before ai. It just took time and effort. Writing prompts isn't music making.
Life will definitely be more convenient with AI. Live music will not be replaced by AI anytime soon. So musicians will be doing exactly what they’re doing.
True, AI may indeed take away from some of us, but it gives to many more, so essentially it's a good investment for the world.
Could this Affect electronic musical instrument manufacturing to?
Yes since we will have more money to pay for our instruments, and the hard machine manufacturers and others will also end up dying, so all screwed!!!!
Absolutely. Someone already used a.i. to make a tubescreamer vst.
for sure, because the need for real instruments will decline
You only really appreciate things when they're scarce. I'm glad I kept my old vinyl records and tapes. Hold on to your instruments, maybe even start collecting them. Enjoy them and in 20 or 30 years they may be worth a fortune. Speaking as someone who sold their 808 and 101 far too soon.
Anyone who thinks we are screwed oviously overreacted before thinking of COPYRIGHT LAWS. I myself have done MANY copyrights as well as USPTO trademarks over the past 15 years. If anyone thought about the copyrights of AI materials here in the US, they would know that NO copyrights are possible UNLESS the resulting AI-made product has been touched by a human hand. This goes for image generation as well. I think it is time to BREATHE and think of how this will make the music industry BETTER. For starters, Hip-Hop is absolutely horrible today, but I know the heart of it was originally SAMPLING, which kind of slowed down a lot, due to lawsuits. This has the power to allow the sound to be changed there without anyone actual records being involved. That also means that artists and producers in that industry need to get creative. How about the new guy just starting out on the guitar? He can generate tracks to play to as he defines his style. I still think that people are still going to be producers and people are still going to play their instruments. It would be horrible to think that concerts would stop being a thing and people will just be cheering for the DJ who just hits play on a bunch of AI music at a music fest. By the end of the day, I still think we will still support REAL artists, but I also think that those who afraid of the tech will be the ones left behind.
Adopt or die. There are tons of ways for real musicians to integrate AI into their music.
This is the new music revolution all over again, now the public can make/create their own music without being forced by the radio and labels. It's a new golden age where we can forge our own music for the better.
@@HarryClipzFilmz You mean talentless people putting more crappy music into the ocean of crap.
@@msscott22 You're just mad because AI is better than you at making music.
@@mikehawk6918 It's better than you too.
Today, mainstream music is bad. AI will replicate it.
That's great and SO true, but not always.
Sad thing is it's already working. It's already as good if not better than half the soulless mass produced garbage.
@@e.and.f I'm studying electric guitar. For me, AI is great only about vst amp plugins, because is cheap than buy all good real amps, cabinets and pedals.
AI can't replace human creativity. (PERIOD)
I have been writing and composing music since I was 12 years old. It can not compare, my original compositions are miles higher than anything AI can do.
I have been playing around with AI, art, video and music and what I learned is AI can not replace a human on any of these levels.
AI art is boring, and not very creative.
AI music is the same.
AI video is okay, I guess, but no where close.
Everyone that over reacts about this, probably can't do better than the AI does.
I think of AI as a tool, is a great way to visualize ideas and speed up the process in that way.
But to outright replace humans, not gonna happen.
as both a musician and a consumer, i agree with this, but on, the other hand, ai gives power back to the people, to listen to what they want to hear. second, we got into this for US, not them. and you all would do well to remember that, All of us have home rigs now anyway.
in short, suck it. we're in for a fight, but I think people will continue to love IRL music. bands who don't will fall on the wayside.
at the very least, you guys can use this stuff as a template. you never know, you might get good ideas!
The music industry has been doing this for decades. They get all the money from the musicians work and creativity while the artist receives peanuts. So same story different decade.
They are crying foul, because getting ripped off is not as much fun as ripping someone else off.. it's the end of an era. Good riddance I say...
indeed its just the final step, more obvious, of the same thing, and it won't kill music, art, creativity, it will just help to see the real artists shining among an ocean of automated mass-quick-consumption content!
The difference is that the music industry cannot copyright AI generated music, thus you can use it for any purpose without worry. The issue is that the music industry may generate AI music and NOT tell the public that it is AI generated, then sue YOU for using that AI generated music under these false pretenses....
@@THE_HMRC The first point you made is one of the most important in all of this debate. Say AI comes up with a "hit". Then everyone and their brother can remix, re-publish, perform as, make memes from, etc etc. AI art becomes part of the community common and enriches us all. As to the second part, there must be some kind of semi-obfuscated watermarking required for the use of these tools. That will surely come and these companies already know how to do that and some are advocating for it, as they must and some have already, ethically. And even if that didn't happen, onus is on them to prove they didn't use AI to produce the track. I guess they could hire actors to pose as the artist in question in court - then it becomes very fun to cross-examine their methods and level of talent. 🧠 think on, amigos.
That dubstep song at 8:06 sounds very inspired from Pendulum. I think it sort of derives it's references from that artist for this particular generation. Interesting.
Strong powerful summery. Leaders and lawmakers need to hear this. Subscribed
I am very satisfied with Suno. I have already uploaded the results to my channel.
For what ? People listen to their own suno too .
A very important video, and a must see by as many artists and fans, as soon as possible. Thank you!
Thank you too!
This was both fascinating, and scary at the same time. The moment that AI took over the arts (music, painting, poetry, photography, etc), we lost our humanity. 😢
I wanted AI to do my laundry and clean my house allow me to be more time to be creative not the other way around
@@djjdinidaho that's exactly it !
Hyperbole bs
@@axonathan Is it though? Based on sampling of some of the recent AI tools out there, it’s not hyperbole at all in my opinion. Everything he mentioned is factually true.
@@djjdinidahoeverything is upside down in this world
I'm an EDM producer and use Udio as the main tool to produce all my music. My last track took me 4 days of work to create. 90% of the time was spent inside Udio, where I had to ask Udio to make around 1000 music clips before the 4-minute track was completed to my liking, and that's my art, my creativity right there, unlimited by technical stuff and unlimited by my lack of vocal/singing capabilities. AI frees me from having to know technical things about how to program instruments, notes, accords, scales, mixing, etc. Still, I need to write the lyrics and pick and choose the AI-generated music clips based on my musical taste, what I hear, and my idea of what makes a hit song. I spend 90% of the time being creative with Udio AI and 10% doing the arrangement and mastering inside the DAW. With AI, my creativity is no longer limited by my technical skills, and it's fantastic. I'm a much happier and better musical producer now that I can do a complete EMD track with female vocals and not depend on others. I no longer rely on singers or rappers and get to keep 100% of the royalties.
you will never be a musician, an artist or a creator
@@JaviermpgomI don't care what people think; as far as I know, I'm already an artist/creator when I'm writing the lyrics. So, by definition, I'm a composer, and if that was all I did, I would, by law, be entitled to 50% of all royalties of any musical project I co-work. The rest of the musical work I do is mostly about having the taste to pick the AI-generated music clips that make me feel the emotions I'm looking for. What I care about is the final output. I could do all musical work by hand and release some crap-sounding music without AI because it would take 10 years to learn all the technical stuff. I would have to spend another 10 years learning how to sing and another 10 years becoming a musician and playing all the instruments I use without a computer. It is impossible in this lifetime, and who in their right mind would be requiring all this from themselves to satisfy some third party's opinion of what makes an artist? And after all this 30-year learning process, I would be paid $0,005 per stream... What a joke! So, in your opinion, to be a creator or artist, one must do it all without using technology? Dude, all music producers use technology, starting with a computer, a DAW, plugins, etc... We are in 2024 and not in the 19th century. Most newer versions of musical plugins incorporate some AI to assist in writing the notes, mixing, and mastering. But hey, it's your choice if you prefer doing your art like a caveman in the Stone Age doing paintings on the cavern wall.
@@ellonzi I can see your point. Techonlogy envolves and the way of making music changes with time. Personally, I use most of the things you mentioned: daw´s, plugins... However, I think that the line must be drawn somewhere, and for me, that is IA.
Also, you say you´re entitled to 50% of the royalties of the music you make. However, what does that mean in a world where ANYONE can make pretty much the same thing you do? I think your (and everyone´s) creations will have no value, as good music will lose its ´scarcity´´ and, therefore, become meaningless.
I just accept I will probably never write a book, create a tv show or become a photographer. That is fine, that is what makes me admire the people that can do such things and truly enjoy their work.The day when everyone can do them will be a sad day, at least for me.
@@Javiermpgom Music lost its scarcity years ago before AI existed. It all started when DAWs, plugins, and Autotune became household items anyone could download for free on pirate websites. And also thanks to all the free TH-cam tutorials... Also, Spotify has been paying artists pennies for years... Anyone can access the same tools, but the output will continue to differ. AI will spit out different things depending on your input; for example, the lyrics you input influence the sound because the AI tool matches the notes to the sound of the words and the mood you're after... Also, making music is only 10% of the work... The other 90% of the work required to be successful involves marketing, content creation, networking, etc... So yes, AI and access to technology are helping many more people do this 10% of the work (the fun part), but don't forget there is the other 90% of boring work that most people don't do. The ones that do these 90% very well are the ones that will succeed. As an ex-record label owner, I have worked with many artists; most are lazy and don't do the tedious work. They want to make music and have somebody else do the boring stuff, and they fail.
@@Javiermpgom Let's remember that making music is only 10% of the work necessary to be successful in music. Only some are willing to do the other 90% of the tedious work with marketing/promotion, content creation, networking, etc. Also, music lost its "scarcity" long before AI was invented, thanks to easy access to DAWs, plugins (through pirate websites), tutorials, etc... Spotify has been paying us pennies for years.
Every song made with AI is a song that people enjoy, be it as a joke or because someone who isn't a musical genius has written honest lyrics or any other reason.
Any musician who opposed the existence of AI music opposed the very essence of music: that people enjoy it.
What I hear in the final chapter of this video, the part about "oh no, these AI's are stealing stuff and replicate it, YOU have been robbed!" is a man who just realized that all this time, he was making money because he was gatekeeping the process of music production.
What exactly is it, then, that was stolen from you? Hm?
Was it your audio equipment?
Was it the sales you've already made with your music?
Was it the potential sales you could've made in the future?
Was it the song itself? How? Is it not on your hard drive anymore? Has the data been physically removed?
"It replicates it!" - and so does anyone who sings along to your songs or covers it.
Your intellectual property cannot be stolen because it isn't a scarce resource. If I just draw a random wave pattern in Audacity, and create a sound that way, and that sound ends up being the exact copy of a song someone has produced, I have not stolen anything, I have, by mere accident, created something, with my own labor, using my own property and nothing has happened to the other person. "Intellectual property" is, by definition, a restriction on what other people can do with their own property. let's say I'm an author and i live in a remote village, and by sheer accident, I write an exact copy of Harry potter. 100% identical. But nobody in the village, not even I myself, knows that some british woman wrote the same book years prior.
In fact, it could be that your music is already violating the "intellectual property" of some alien on another planet.
Face it, gatekeepers, copyright, IP and all the other legal tools you use will fall apart with the AI revolution. AI music will not make musicians, but it will get people MORE music to consume, more art to consume, more of the things they want. The existence of the final product, the piece of music, piece of art, video game or book is what matters, not who has created it. AI will bring more stuff for us to consume, and that is a good thing.
So u think it s okay for machine to take over humans own songs ? If u dont get royalties anymore, then artist and musicians will no longer live.
Hes saying that AI is learning to make songs, which means writers/composers soon doesnt have a job. If they dont get royalties.
Just like the printing press and photography (now everyone has a high quality camera in their phone) those with creative potential will adapt. Humans create art for themselves not just for a living. Those that have done and made it a career up until now have just been lucky. People will still be willing to pay for the human experience. Especially live musicians where every performance is unique.
Thank you mate for putting this out ! I just made a comment on another channel that was promoting A.I. generated music and they stopped the comments and even specifically mentioned that they stopped them due to my input and feelings about this garbage ! So, thank you brother ! We all need to ban together as Artists and find a way to keep this out of our industry. Although, it's probably never going to stop the ones with no imagination, or talent. 😔
Also, with all of the fuss about certain bands, or musicians using backing tracks, or lip syncing, where careers were ruined... now I have to wonder, how would they feel about this ? Man... this is so terrible, not to mention what other industries they will crossover to. This is insanity ! I am with you 110% brother !!!
I am a music hobbyist and a beginner, but its still very demotivating knowing, that everything that I am learning right now and I am spending huge amount of my free time doing so, is getting less and less valuable because I can already generate better tracks then I am able to make. I am graphic designer by proffesion though and the exact same is happening in that field. Basically every damn creative thing is endangered because of that. Weird times.
Karma is happening, the coders that created this abomination are themselves being replaced by AI as we speak. On a positive note, musicians were really peed off yeas ago when DJs took most of their work, but there is still work out there even now. Learn to sing or play an instrument really, really well. You'll have a unique style, and AI can't compete with that.
As a musician, I find AI amazing. Now I can create AI tracks, cover them, and have an infinite amount of songs to play live.
@@lavillenouvelle Is this irony or are you for real? There's no musicianship in doing that
@@ladas3509 there is exactly the same amount of musicianship that every cover band has.
The only difference is that, instead of covering a song from the Beatles, Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin, I can cover an AI song with lyrics I wrote.
@@lavillenouvelleSorry i am not trying to bash your creative process and this might be my biased view. But, if you are using AI to generate music and then simply recreating it from its output, I dont see that as artistry. The beauty (even I dont really listen to them) of cover bands is band mates being able to play their instruments and playing it live etc. The coordinated effort of different people playing together. Or revivals when the original band is no more. Creating something new while letting a machine create it for you is neither original work or cover band, its a weird thing in between.
This is just my opinion though, do whatever you want. If you like it, who am I, a random person person in the internet telling you something. Good luck.
I have lots of vaseline Im used to being screwed
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Yuck.
@@seanrobinson6407 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So I spent a lot of time with both Udio and Suno and my current conclusion is that they are great and fun entertainment tools, but still a far cry from replacing actual art and artists. They'll probably get there but as it stands they are just audio toys.
That I wouldn't waste time listening to AI elevator music versus the musical greats from the past. AI now is not competitive to me!
He covered that. Look at the progress from the last generation within the last year or two. It will continue to get better. It's already very close to "real" music to the untrained ear.
@@runvnc208 I see what you mean and I agree. It's a really fun tool that can put out catchy stuff.
However, when it comes to competing with actual musicians and singers, it's a matter of how customizable or rather 'controllable' it is.
These bots aren't doing hot in that front. In fact, I believe the reason their output is this good is because AI has almost full creative control over the process.
That's why the results are quite random no matter how good you get at prompting.
To get there, they will need another technical leap, as well as overcoming some legal battles. They could and probably will get in time though.
"a far cry from replacing actual art and artists." I'm not sure. It's hard to replace Prince, Stevie Wonder or Radiohead, but 90% of the music on the radio is mediocre music with artists who cant sing using autotune, music made on DAW (computer). For example the "BBL Drizzy" beat is made from a sample from an AI motown style song, it's allmover the internet and people love it. This stuff as been around for barely few month, in 2 years it's over. You can have an Adele, Bruce Springsteen, Michael Bubble AI song as good as the original (with an artist that will never die or loose his voice, scary)
The problem is y'all always forget the exponential nature of AI. If you keep throwing more compute cycles and feed it a bigger dataset the model of Udio or Suno keeps getting better and better with each training iteration. Like the trajectory is pretty much settled. AI right now is pretty much solved and right now the scaling of making the model better is not a fundamental math problem but an engineering problem. And engineering problem can be easily fixed by having capital
How are we fucked? This is awesome and so fun.
I've been experimenting with Udio this weekend, and it has been mind blowing. The stuff you can do, the basic quality of the output... It's insane. Of course, there are still artefacts and it still has a tendency to hallucinate a lot. But in my sessions, it also surprised me multiple times. I don't know what's gonna happen next, but it feels like we're at the very brink of something BIG. For better or worse.
I appreciate your video. A lot of great points came to be in this video. I see your opinion is very valid. I wonder what they'll do once they create music and need to do live shows are they going to go back to the Milli Vanilli stages of time?
I think music is just going to evolve. When music went digital, classical music evolved into jazz and jazz evolved into pop and rock. So no more I IV VI V progressions and new styles will need to emerge.
and 1 day later u will have update of ai with this style. u have great brain, buddy. great logic!
Purpose of art is to you evolve into more advanced artist and not cutting the angles. How you became master if everything is done by you just click your mouse?
Feeling, listening, imagining and everything is gonna be fd up. We gonna be caveman again.
Let's face it, music was already dead. It was in total decline, something to see the music that is heard today. Full of mediocre artists lining their pockets with shitty music. I am not going to cry for a music industry that preferred money to the mercy of mediocrity. Without a doubt, a tool was needed that would put music on a new level.
I agree. Music had been stagnant for the last 30 years now. Therefore, I don't feel bad for the music industry as much.
I basically think the same, I quitted producing mainstream music in the late nineties because of mediocrity.
At that time, already, there wasn't space for original ideas.
Of course, all the musicians who make their living producing mediocre, standard, commercial stuff, are going to loose a good chunk of their revenues.
I'm sorry for them, but this is an occupation issue, that has nothing to do with art.
I welcome AI, because of its infinite spitting in our faces the mediocrity of "our" modern pop music. This will force us to reconsider, re-think pop music itself.
Moreover, I've never listened to an AI generated piece that really moved my neurons. Pure generative AI music cannot be considered art in any way, in my opinion.
I completely agree my friend
@@LATQueens When Napster hit in 2000, the only way musicians could make money was touring and concerts. I never figured out why the music after that went all suck @ss all the way to today.
@ricktheexplorer I agree with you. But don't forget, most artists from back in the day would tell you that they made most of their money from touring and shows anyway. Record labels would consistently pay artists pennies on the dollar for each album sold.
This is the next step in synthesisers. Genie is out of the bottle now, no putting it back in.
I'm here because of suno AI it is so cool
If I take the perspective of a client - there is no reason to hire a musician anymore to compose music for my video or film - especially on small budget productions.
If you ever worked with a client, then you should know that they usually don’t know what they really want and can’t describe it accurately. They still need someone who would understand their gibberish and get them the results that would suite the project.
@@НикаК-ъ4ф so true. But for my short films I cannot afford to hire a musician and pay properly because I do not have the funds. Luckily now I can use AI and luckily I know what I want. If I had the funds though I would still hire a very good musician, but good quality is still expensive (and it should be). I am doubtful that AI will become better than outstanding musicians but who knows, maybe it will. The future will tell...
@@НикаК-ъ4фYes and that is where musical prompt engineers come in. Also your client can now have 50 different versions to choose from by the end of the week.
I've seen AI take a huge leap in graphics, coding and now music. These are all things I know enough about to understand the significance of where it's going to be before we realize. But like many technologies of a similar nature, I'm convinced humans will still be required. Because ultimately all these creative endeavors need to be appealing. They need curation.
Right now AI can write lyrics, but they mostly sound like the ramblings of a 9 year old. The musical choices the AI makes may be clever and all, but always sound wonky to me. And having used udio a little it often loses it's mind and starts singing mystery AI nonsense.
It will improve. A lot. It'll be much better fidelity and have far more convincing simulations.
I just wonder if instead of fear and uncertainty, maybe we should look for opportunity?
Remember how in the 80s/90s everything was "over" once samplers could record chunks of music. Yet it inspired creativity rather than destroying it.
Can we use AI to our advantage? As an assistant? Just as we would work with another band member or contributor?
Can AI help us improve our own skills, raise our game and help us grow our talent? I hope so.
Much ❤ to all the creatives out there.
We will be able to spawn music directly from our brain, whole orchestras, music that we have never imagined that could be created by any means and this will be done with OUR intelligence, with the help of our advanced tools. which again are OUR intelligence and not some artificial outsider.
@@konstantinos777 Yes I believe so too
Yeah sure but it won't be us, it will be done by AI engineers and prompters hired by the top companies (Spotify, Apple Music, etc.) and those will generate the perfect tracks according to data collected from the net to satisfy the current trends and zeitgeist.
Should some artist come up with something novel, they will feed the tech with it and within a month, release thousands of albums in the novel style, making it obsolete and the artist who created it obsolete.
Nowadays the industry is slow and it takes a long time for a novel music style to be established in pop culture - enough time for the artists who created it to become known and associated with it. With this tech, it will be lightning fast and since these companies have massive funding and the best lawyers in the world, good luck in suing them.
Look whats happening with streaming fraud right now and publishers witholding payments from artists under the fake premise of "artificial streams" while big labels openly use artificial streams to boost their artists numbers. This is whats awaiting the entire industry and those who have big money will win the war, always have and always will.
AI as an assistant tool will always enhance (like auto-tune) but some inventions take over. The drum machine put most drummers out of a gig. A.I. nowadays is a new thing. It replaces the human element completely and offers a product made entirely without humans (except the data it mined in the first place all comes from humans) but once a computer can do the job in seconds. No human could ever compete with that. Not in a million years. We are creating our own downfalls and whoever owns the copyrights or patents gets rich and everyone else gets forgotten.
@@prolifik302 I hear you. However, just thinking of artists I've loved over the years who've somehow navigated and survived a veritable torrent of fivver producers and band-in-a-box magicians.
It's worrying for writers, artists, coders, musicians, poets, one and all. At the end of the day the market will decide.
Keep being creative and productive. Good luck 👍🏻
Demand your AI Dividend! I think we need to start organizing a movement around that, because we cannot stop it, and I can't think of any other way to adapt to the implications of AI.
AI exists thanks to year of data and content, collected from all of us, which goes into training it. And it won't be long before it's out competing more than just creatives. Our whole economy will need to change, as I don't think capitalism, at least in it's current form, is in any way compatible with what we soon face. A majority of people aren't going to be able to compete against AI, so we can no longer use jobs as the thing which determines how we distribute basic resources to people. In some way, profits from AI needs to be taxed and that should be distributed to everyone as an AI Dividend!
100%!! capitalism IS the problem.
It's not. This is why people are vouching for UBI at least for now (at least people who don't erroneously associate the idea to a utopia, which I mean... that's just depressing). Because jobs don't make sense anymore as means to acquire the middle man made up exchange for tangible useable goods like food, water, shelter, medicine, mental stimulation and entertainment.
The world isn't ready for this. It was never going to be. It sucks to know the harder people fight it, the more people will get hurt because governments aren't ready for this, they're still behind on internet being a thing. Our world economic model is capitalism. Doesn't matter what personal model a country uses, the exchange between countries for goods is capitalism.
Working is a thing because jobs need to be done and people need to make money. If the jobs are being done and people aren't making money because the jobs are all done, then we need an intermediary to make sure economy doesn't collapse and people don't die more than they already do.
Honestly, the whole middle man exchange of a currency isn't that useful anymore. Especially because it actually leads to more greed and waste. If I could just go to a store that houses what I need or have it delivered, I'll get what I need, because I don't have to manage another resource. I won't need a sale, I'll just get the physical amount I require and leave the rest. I wouldn't panic stock or be concerned about management. Also, the amount produced in order to cover this would be lower.
This whole first come first serve, first to claim system isn't viable long term, not even for the winner.
People - AI does not "end music". FYI - the Commericalization of music is NOT natural - and music existed for thousands of years long before property rights and commercialization was ever conceived. Just because certain people will be pushed out of the commercial music world does not mean all music ceases.
If you're actually composer who creates music because you enjoy creating music - you will keep making music --- whether companies find your music valuable or not and want to pay you for it is just a bonus.
If you are a composer who stops making music just because you're not getting paid for it - you're not an artist - you're a puppet of capital ... Either make music because you like music - and allow other people to make their own music with whatever tools they want -- and like that other people like other music - and like the fact that musical synthesis is happening and that new frontiers are being created.... Or don't.
I know a lot of people will see this comment and froth, but you aren't wrong. If art really is "priceless" then it should be. But we like to commodify everything because more ways to figure out how to get a fake resource for real ones is the name of the game in our survival leg of existing. I think AI is showing the cracks in our faulty multi-thousand year old model of placeholder currency for actual tangible goods we need to survive. Doesn't matter if it's seashells, squirrel pelts, gold or digital numbers.
I miss people sharing things they make, no matter the means because they just liked to do so. To make content for the audience/community because that's our instinct as a pack species. Not because they were interested in how much cash they could make.
That said, I'm not blaming people for their response to this, even if it's frustrating. People need to eat, our system created a way for people to do that in various different means (and also make sure that some never can and they starve, but that's another topic) they're playing the game by it's rules and understandably upset when the rules change. But I think instead of getting mad at the rules changing, maybe they should evaluate why there are rules the way they are to understand why they change.
But that's a whole thing in itself. Getting upset at someone, something, some event and blaming it, not asking why it happened, how it could be prevented, or if it has value. Just anger. Understandable, universal, but entirely useless as response.
Thank you for this video! I get so mad when friends of mine express EXCITEMENT over AI art/music etc without NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST reflecting on the labor exploitation CORE of the issue here! So frustrating! I try to calmly educate those folks but their eyes glaze over when I quote Marx and try to connect Manchester capitalism with this new digital version. And you are spot on about collective organizing: we are totally EFFED coz online freelance artists (except for Hollywood screenwriters where we should look for strategic guidance) are NOT organized!
addendum after I watched your summary and since you are Polish and have a literature background? PLEASE pick up the Polish translation of "Infinite Jest" = it is BEAUTIFUL and despite the dire subject matter of entertainment addiction it still gives me hope for the future of humanity and art and expression :)
one more = WHERE IS THE REVOLUTION? Very good question because AI (or rather the companies that own the tech) is colonizing our minds nonstop and killing our humanity! I am not even convinced that people will realize what they are missing and compensate by making music and art for personal growth and meditation and reflection. For most people caught up in the capitalist hamsterwheel they don't even have the time and the energy. They will resort to even more simple CONSUMING stuff that gets delivered in HIGHSPEED with a couple of clicks :(
The AI isn't stealing the music, it's stealing the profession of being a musician, and it's doing it by being better at it. It's awful, but there's no law against it. It might not even be immoral, in the wider view.
Someone on twitter said - AI was supposed to do the tedious stuff for creative people, not the creative stuff for tedious people.
Well how did AI learn? One day I received 120 euros from pond5 . They had sold my entire catalog with them for Ai learning. And I m stuck legally because I had to opt out,but I didn't know... (i dont read all emails...). That is theft. 120 euros for years of production!
@@ekeys6897 That's sounds like a really sleazy policy from that company (I know nothing about them), and I'm sure they have some fine print somewhere that you agreed to, but that doesn't make what they did any less sleazy. What they essentially did was allow an AI to extract insights from your music as part of its training. Sure, it's not copyright infringement and they paid you for it, but there was no negotiation, no immediate consent. It's probably legal, but that doesn't mean we have to like it.
Analogies are difficult and imperfect in this context, but I used to teach at a film school. What happened to you would be similar to my old film school bundling up my previous lectures and PowerPoint slides and using them to train people without telling me, relying on the fine print in my contact to do it. Sure, they send me a payment, but it would still be weird (for the record, they'd never do that).
It seems like all human endeavour is rapidly becoming nothing more than training data for our future AI servants... Or our future AI overlords...
yes, unfortunately i just think that the way music is created is going to change and ai assistance to create will become the norm.
Before using music in their software called AI, they need to download music which is illegal.
@@peacefulman2196 Well, it depends how they got the music and what they did with the music after they got it. Simply downloading music is rarely illegal, though it may have been in violation of the terms they agreed to when they accessed the music. Was the music streamed to a file or recorded from a streaming service? Or did the AI simply "listen" to it via streaming? Was the music taken from a downloading service? CDs? Free-to-air radio? We just don't know. If they broke the terms of whatever conditions they agreed to when accessing the music, then I guess they can be sued (IANAL), but that's not typically a criminal matter. It's not against the law to breach most contracts, but it's often very unwise.
One possible exception is if they decrypted encrypted music in the USA - which might be illegal under the US DMCA, but if they did it outside of US jusristiction, even that doesn't apply (IANAL).
I predict two things - 1. if it's legal for a human to do it (listen to a bunch of music and then create new works inspired by them) then it's surely legal for softrware to do it. 2. By the time these cases work their way through the various courts of several nations, the music industry (and several other industries) might have already adapted, or shrunk, or mostly vanished. I'm not saying that's a good thing.
We cannot stop it, we should use it as assistant or to make the music better with our knowledge as all the generated music which will flood all services.
If that's your level then go for it 👍😐
We should certainly use it as a justification to call for major economic reforms or an entire economic overhaul.
How else will people get by when AI takes their jobs? Sounds like the perfect excuse to end the concept of creatives having to be "starving artists".
@@GrumpDog Universal Basic Income is inevitable. The only question will be. What strings will 'they' attach to it?
@@Mopantsu If the people demand it be setup as intended, there shouldn't be any strings attached at all. The concept of UBI actually started with the name "Unconditional Basic Income" before Yang popularized calling it universal. If we stick to the name Unconditional, it makes it a lot harder to corrupt with such "strings" or conditions.
In practice, UBI should work as an AI Dividend, a payment to people for their data which goes into training AI that out competes them. It works as a transition policy to whatever economy total AI automation will create, and could even increase to give people a bigger share over time. Alternatively, AI automation could reduces the prices of goods to nearly zero over time, so a UBI would just help people get through the period chaos we're likely to face until then, while human workers are still losing jobs.
@@GrumpDogproblem is that the US gov is reactive not proactive. Many people will need to suffer and lose everything before they ever enact UBi
There is now an Ai that can Master a music creation for you in minutes with zero skills. It’s called LANDR. Works really well
That looks like a caveman tool compared to this.
I gotta say Suno is pretty awesome, I spent the whole day listening to a joke song I made. Who says artist have the monopoly on Art? Everything goes.
US Copyright law says it has to be done by a human, otherwise copyrights don't apply.
If you wrote the lyrics then those would be your copyright material.
Congress is going to have to take a serious look at this, which in turn would be a great opportunity for musicians/artists to step up & be heard.
This whole situation takes me back to when midi started. People who couldn't play drums suddenly had the ability to create some serious licks. Technically a persons input, which could also apply to prompts.
And what about AutoTune? Sure someone is singing but the "machine" makes them sound better by ensuring they are on key. Nobody naturally has reverb/delay/etc either.
And didn't we all basically "steal" when learning how to sing/play an instrument like someone else, or use someone's style to write lyrics/melodies/etc?
It's a slippery slope we are on...
Big question is are they legal? I mean you can hear very famous and copyrighted sounds.
Technically you cant copywrite ai generated music.
Legal? Probably...you no all those TOS things that people click through when signing up for services....yeah....ethical/moral? Hell no!
Can't really copyright a "sound".. I can make a lot of sounds that sound like famous sounds, with my voice.. lol
@@zonegaming3498 In a way, we should be excited so much new content is entering the public domain, tons of AI art that can be used entirely freely, now AI generated music.
Theay are not legal. Downloading music for "training" is illegal.
This is the same argument that is made every single time a new technology breaks through. From the folks that lost their jobs as book scribes, to the horse carriage makers, to the to orators that lost their jobs to the AM/FM radio, to the bank tellers who lost their jobs to ATMs. New technology is just another part of life.
LOL, it doesn't steal shit any more than any person listening to music learning how to create it. That's not how AI works. If you listen to enough music, you can create music in your imagination without ever touching a DAW. When AI listens to enough music, it can imagine new and completely original music and then EMIT it as a tangible sound file. I friggen love it and have made dozens of amazing tracks with it. I'm also a lifelong musician who has spent tens of thousands of hours developing my technique and I don't feel one bit threatened. In fact, I'm using FL Studio stem extraction to use Suno and Udio as a sample source as well as mixing my own guitar with Suno. I'm making the music *I* want to hear and I fucking love it!
Totally completely disagree resepctfully. I want to listen to music written nd played by humans no help from AI. All I ask for is a certificate so I know. It's like woodwork. Craftsmanship. The average kid will make amazing stuff because they just need to type not play.
@@ST-fl5fyArtists have probably been using Ai already and you’d have never known, but not for lyrics. Ai is bad at writing lyrics. AND, who cares who is playing the instruments? These days producers have just been using sample sounds, playing like.. violin on a computer keyboard. Lol. Many of us would love to make the music in our heads, a reality… but haven’t been able to because we don’t have access to the resources as those who have managed to record music. What if I’m talented, but can’t sing or afford music production software, technology or instruments? Many successful artists only get famous because of nepotism and connections. That’s why most the music we hear these days, are crap. We all can’t afford to pack up our things and move to LA to get the hook up. And it kind of p1sses me off when the privileged who have been LUCKY to get where they are in their fancy studios act like people who use Ai to help produce their music, aren’t doing any work. That’s ridiculous. The bare minimum you HAVE to be in order to write a good song with Ai, is a good songwriter. That is one of the most important talents to have.
@@DarthMadV playing samples sounds on a keyboard is actually playing that’s normal and still requires musicianship. I disagree though from what I’ve seen (depends what areas we’re talking about) Ai requires basic songwriting. It can actually write a song by tags and keywords and do it well. I want the choice to know how music like photography was created Ai or real artist so I can choose who to follow. I understand your point on singing ability. But things are going to get ridiculous. Diluted craftsmanship. Again I can’t change it but want a choice in what I listen too
@@ST-fl5fy Personally, I couldn’t give a crap. I just want to listen to good, fun music. From there, some Human-Ai artists should rise above the rest as they make consistently great music compared to the average human-ai artist, which will prove it’ still takes talent and musicianship to create great music, even with ai.
@@ST-fl5fy Who cares? Why is there an obsession with the idea that hard work, especially tedium (if the process isn't the goal, which for many it is not) is so coveted?
It sounds like bitterness to me. "I worked hard to do the same thing, you should have to as well." and this is coming from a lot of creative corners if they aren't talking about how money wise that this impacts the world.
Also, craftsmanship, really? How many items in your house do you actually own that were not made in part or in totality by robots in a factory bought from a company?
The assumption that human made is better has been shown demonstrably false considering our world right now. A hand made car for instance, is not a good thing. Art gets far more leeway because there isn't some mathematical component to "good" art (music has some actually, but it's still a subjective medium, but there are a limited amount of notes/chords we can both hear and also are pleasing to us, unlike drawing, which can intentionally be more varied)
Lastly, specifically saying some kid to make something amazing and trying to devalue it is both ageist and erroneous. People of all ages will use things to make stuff that wouldn't otherwise exist.
If you really like the process of a craft, you do not care if others can do the same thing you can through a different and easier means. If you don't like the process, but like the output of what it affords, then you like the creation itself and are upset that you had to do a lot to get the creation you wanted. Which is fair, but to say it's about integrity or authenticity is nonsense.
I generate art. I also draw. I use suno, I also sing and write lyrics. I enjoy the process of singing and writing. If my end goal is just a song being made, then I don't care about the process to make it, anymore than anyone cares how their car works.
You either like the hobby, or you don't. But you might still want the end product the hobby might create. And that's fine. That's what all of us do with things we don't necessarily care for as a hobby.
Hello, it doesn't have to be bad, you can take advantage of it to be more creative...the technological world changes and one must change with it, adapt or be obsolete. 😮😮
I do sync music for tv, as today it is still not up to par in quality to compete with us, but it will get there. My vision is that when they understand they can bypass composers and not pay royalties then they will adjust AI to work on this direction. AI will benefit us as humans but it will affect us as well. grow your youtbe sell courses I think that will be more stable in the long run