Suno, Udio (and other music AI). We're F*ED and it's really BAD. Seriously.
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- Hello, people! There's so much buzz about latest Suno AI, that I had tio test it out. The test told me a lot about the situation of commercial composers and producers and their future and nope - it's not nice and I absolutely don't like it nor I support it. Let's go on a long rant/analysis today!
0:00 Intro
2:57 About Suno AI
5:10 Generic corporate music
8:06 Dubstep about Folia Soundstudio
12:27 Everyting But The Girls style music
13:16 Massive Attack style music
14:24 Cinematic track for historicalk drama
14:41 Bowery Electric style music
16:01 Baroque style concerto
18:22 Summing tha thingz up! - เพลง
Will.i.am is an investor in Udio - I say everyone makes 1200 Will.i.am style songs a month and flood Spotify with it and see how he likes it
I second this, but recommend using Fairly Trained models to do it so you aren’t inadvertently helping him make more money through exploitation in the process.
U are talking about Udio not Suno. Wonder did Udio tell the investors that they scraped internet for the music and tags.
@@digidope yes, sorry meant to say Udio…
Will.i.am hasn't been so honest in the past, stealing musical ideas and getting away with it in most cases. He's our musical ambassador?
he said in an interview that he wants to copyright artists voices.
The problem is if you happen to sound like someone else. Should Michael Jackson sue the Weeknd?
I want the iA to clean, cook, build... and people to do arts, and the f****ng market is doing the opposite...
Well said!
😞so true..
So you wanted cleaners, cooks and builders to lose their jobs, but you did not want it to happen to you.... Interesting...
@@gyangting we are in a music channel so we are talking about music, i do not want anyone to lose their job, i think machines (long time ago) and now Ai should pay taxes (their owners corp) so we the people who need to eat and all this human things can live and do arts by getting granted a basic income from government paid by these greedy corporations
@@gyangting If you had machines doing things for you ,then there would be no need for money nor jobs. Do you like breaking your back, just so you can pay taxes to the people that do not care bout you?
As a game developer I know it won't be long until they do the same with games. Guess I will have to just settle with making what I want to make regardless of AI.
Authenticity is dying. Everything is becoming a cheap imitation. Soon I will have a replicant for a wife, listening to AI music, eating a lab grown burger.
:(((
I mean I'm fine with lab grown meat if it means the animal is still alive and lots of animals won't be in pain
@@HelamanGileles riches vont manger ta part ne t’inquiète pas.
@@HelamanGileyou're a 🤡
Simulation & simulacra
no worries folks, AI is going to replace everyone eventually. the world as we know it is going to change in ways no one can even imagine
That's what I think too. But sometimes I really doubt the billionaires will give up their lifestyles to make a better world with AGI and ASI
Is it going to replace my lovely park walks , is it going to replace my amazing swim moments , is it going to replace my taste for the best food ? Is it going to replace my joy to see a live band at a festival ? Is it going to replace my quality time with my loved ones ? How exactly is AI gonna replace all that in my live ? I guess it is not ! Not at all !
@@elmentor8919Well said. At the moment AI commentary is all about hype and panic harvesting for clicks and views
AI will not replace you, but someone using AI will
@@elmentor8919 obviously I'm referring to work. Cringe comment
if non-AI music stops then the development of music also ends pretty soon, when you feedback the AI generated music into the AI, the algorithms will start to breakdown as they become increasingly generic... I guess they will try to compensate for that through randomisation and some sort of threshold values... but it will go round and round on itself forever... if they aren't able to tell which music was AI generated or 'pre-AI' then they may have some historical cut-off point and choose to ignore new music after a certain date, that could then exclude 'real music' from getting fed into the algorithms in the future... we're in for an interesting ride. But generally, I think you are correct, simply because so much generic music will be generated now and swamp the internet it's going being really tough for human producers unless they are also performing as a live act.
It's called Model Collapse and it happens very quickly.
Damn, it happened so fast. I thought it will take a few more years and now everything is f**ked already! 😢
The audio quality itself is still not there but give a year or two :/
@@razorgarfYou can drop the AI songs into AI mastering programs like LANDR and boom, quality is way better in minutes
it's moving super quickly. 6 months ago half this stuff wasn't even a thing
@@razorgarf Like most, you haven't recalibrated your futurizing neurons for the age of AI. Crank the "exponentially" knob up a level or two, and you'll hit the correct two to three months prediction
Strong powerful summery. Leaders and lawmakers need to hear this. Subscribed
Real AUTHENTICITY is going to be HYPERVALUABLE. We will grit our teeth and show them what REAL humans are made of. Excellent video.
I think so too. I also think soon it will be obvious what is AI and what is not. It’s just a hype for a while and it’ll go back to the background and being used as a tool. Which it is
It is and always will be
I don't think so 😢
I feel like all music makers should band together, make a joint fund and withdraw all human made music behind a paywall. They can all get fucked with their AI machines. No computer is bigger than the Source of our creativity. This was a super satisfying video to watch - thanks for making it!
Today has been one of the worst days of my life simply because all hope as a producer has been taken from me! The last 20 years of my life spent making music has literally burst in my soul TODAY!!! I will of course make music my whole life but the beautiful essence of music production now feels sullied.
Plus my team just got knocked out the Champions League.
F&&K OFF WORLD!!!!!
🥭Man that is Rufff - Seriously, the kids at Berklee Music or any Mus Prod Institute are gonna have to think about other careers - I was an AlbumCoverPainter in the 90’s / I was the very last Gen that saw Artwork sold on Vinyl, Cass & CD
😂 Sorry pal.
Suno AI sucks, the way people talk about it made it seem flawless, the sound sucks, the songs suck, i'm sure it'll get better, but this is not good.
Go listen to some Udio tracks and it is only on it's first beta test run. Technology is moving faster than you might believe.
@Mopantsu UDIO is crappy as well, it even ruins lyrics from time to time (while singing), especially if it’s not in English then it become more common.
You all saying about how fast it progress, but you just lack the knowledge. Computers making music exist for decades, it’s just wasn’t as affordable to masses as it is now. So no hype and that’s why you’ve probably never heard about it. I know about it since 2016, but David Bowie used it in one of his song in 1995, and the first known music composed with computer generation based on learning other’s works was in 1957 iirc, it was a piece for a string quartet.
@@user-vy9ll3jl3v For now - yes. But look at how image generators progressed in just 3 years. I'm not saying that it will replace all artists, but certainly most of them will not be able to do it for a living anymore.
suno sucks
@user-vy9ll3jl3v I made a song on Udio called "My Best Friend's Dad," and it sounds like a real country song. Go listen to it. It sounds pretty real to me. It's published on the site.
what’s wrong with stock music being replaced by ai?
20 years ago there were “web masters” everywhere. Now with Facebook, Squarespace and Shopify it eliminated the need to rely on someone to maintain your basic website or shop.
And yet, the digital product development is thriving with more $$ than ever before.
Don’t rely on making something that is routine and easily replicable. If your output can be replaced by a senseless machine and not much added value is created by a human, it’s a good moment to reflect.
Ai will surely integrate into every aspect of life, augment and change everything.
Focus on solving more complex, non trivial challenges
Good take man. I think this is a good wakeup call on the state of music and content creation in general. We are churning out quantity over quality and AI can easily replicate that process.
hahaha yeah, sure... 🤦 clearly you never run an ecommerce website with one of those platforms
i agree with you
@JohannesAgust what you are missing though is the flood of AI music and how are emerging or established artists going to be found amongst all that. The consumer doesn't care how it's made. Spotify has already changed their payout rules knowing the flood is coming. You can laugh at mediocre artists but so far almost nobody comes up with something innovative.
Also AI is going to replace more people outside the art market. Think simple - self checkouts, robots stacking shelves which is already happening. Show me one government that is ready not to get taxes when people are replaced with ai... your approach is so shortsighted.
Yes, we need to look positively at the development of technology. If your soul lies, for example, in creating music, no one stops you from doing it. However, most likely, the market will change a lot soon and you need to be ready to adapt to the changes.
1 - visual arts
2 - audio arts
3 - accountant
4 - lawyers
5 - manual labor
6 - all remaining
Don't forget filmmakers!
@@Hypnotist1 yes, they are in the visual/audio category as well
Cooking you forgot cooking computers like programming
AI development will probably be done by AI in the future so what does that leave us to do hopefully that means we have forever vacation and ability to continue producing creative works I don't know maybe we will be able to do whatever we want to within resource limitations kind of we were just using our planet and destroying it because we were a consumer-based system which is really dangerous to the environment and everything we only have so much resources on Earth it would be really cool if fusion could be figured out by AI and we don't have to worry about power food production then we don't have to worry about hunger water Management then we don't have to worry about our water housing and development then we don't have to worry about places to live education because even in a future with AI I think we should still have education public needs medical would be a big deal if AI could come up with cures to bad diseases or be able to cure most diseases and help people with disabilities and mental challenges that would be amazing if anyone was able to follow their dream within the resources they are given that would be amazing that would be cool I could just make music do photography videography writing just for myself and those who are my friends and I could share it to a website maybe that's for humans
Include every job that uses a computer…
I appreciate your video. A lot of great points came to be in this video. I see your opinion is very valid. I wonder what they'll do once they create music and need to do live shows are they going to go back to the Milli Vanilli stages of time?
Wow. As a conservatory-trained musician and composer for over 40 years this is just...(no words), but there will still be live performing.
Live music doesn't pay enough to leave my house for
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TL;DR - The cream will rise to the top. People that can write music but can't sing can now create music.
Came from a generational musical family from Motown. I've seen things come, go and stay. Live sessions musicians, synthesized sounds, auto-tune, then fruity loops. It's okay. Music isn't everyone's thing. It takes me at least 3 hours to make a good song with Suno or Udio. It takes me less than that in a studio.
@@reno419rockstar I spend a couple of days in Udio churning out tracks attempting to guide it towards full length songs. Right now it is so unpredictable it is hard work to get any output that fits my ideal of how the song should progress (from beginning to end). I kinda gave up. It is very unfriendly towards those who want more creative control over it's paramaters and output. Hopefully that will improve with time though. I want to be able to output stems, upload my own works to 'transform'. Use my own vocals etc.
@@Mopantsu The things you want will all happen, probably sooner than you think, and hopefully there will be GPU based tools that run locally too. The people who stand to lose the most from new AI music tools like suno and udio aren't the composers, they're companies like Reason Studios, Ableton and Image line. Those companies will be forced to adapt or die, much like how Adobe was forced to add AI powered autofill to photoshop, or be left in the dust by image generators. Right now these web services are just toys, but t hey are very nice toys, and very solid proof of concept for a better suite of actual tools. It's really only just beginning.
Great video. The impact on musicians will be huge but what about on the music industry in a whole. With this I mean the software developers of plugins, synths (hard and software). If the musicians earn less money they have less money to spend on musical equipment. Do we see less companies or will there be plugins developed by AI?
Hello Paul, thank you very much for this video. In my opinion, the chord progressions and arrangements created by SUNO and UDIO are already far above the level of many, many amateur home recording colleagues, including the semi-professionals. There is a sell-off of the last bit of creativity going on. It may be a "great toy" for everyone, even for my six-year-old granddaughter, for example, but the situation for music producers is likely to get worse in the future. I think it is increasingly unlikely that you will be able to earn a fair living with your own music at some point. For those who only do it as a hobby anyway and whose songs more or less just end up in a drawer, it doesn't really matter. Whether they continue to put together their own songs or just press a button and have complete songs created automatically is actually completely irrelevant. Conclusion: total sell-off of music, for just a few cents per song.
"Whether they continue to put together their own songs or just press a button and have complete songs created automatically is actually completely irrelevant." It may be irrelevant for you, but certainly not for them. There are people who don't see art purely as a business.
As a hobbyist music producer I still see great value and joy in making music. Nobody cares about my tracks and likely never will, but I enjoy creating way more than just pressing a button
That said, try creating something specific. I actually just spent about an hour with Suno and made several great options. But you can use it creatively: eg find the right genre, find good lyrics (create your own), make sketches. I can actually see it as a great sketchpad before committing to a song and doing exactly what you want manually.
It would be interesting if Ableton for example had it integrated and was producing actual tracks with full plugin settings and later allowing to tweak. That would be next level. Perhaps they are working on it :)
@@arseniharkunou5905 tools will become available with these services for professionals to output stems, upload their own content and vocals to 'transform'. Probably at extra cost. Nothing is free in life and expecting to hold a music career indefinitely is delusional.
agree
My Ai suno tracks are way better than 90 percent my country producers. Made in hours and over 20 already!
Demand your AI Dividend! I think we need to start organizing a movement around that, because we cannot stop it, and I can't think of any other way to adapt to the implications of AI.
AI exists thanks to year of data and content, collected from all of us, which goes into training it. And it won't be long before it's out competing more than just creatives. Our whole economy will need to change, as I don't think capitalism, at least in it's current form, is in any way compatible with what we soon face. A majority of people aren't going to be able to compete against AI, so we can no longer use jobs as the thing which determines how we distribute basic resources to people. In some way, profits from AI needs to be taxed and that should be distributed to everyone as an AI Dividend!
100%!! capitalism IS the problem.
Not just stock musicians - very very soon, film composers need not apply. This software can be integrated straight into video editing software.
You mean, into video generative AI software that is already in developement and will pop out within weeks/months. AI will soon (very, very soon) replace EVERY single creative aspect of humanity. We're talking about 8bn plumbers, picker-packers and bus drivers because we will end up exclusively with physical jobs available.
to be honest Hans Zimmer and his 9,000 imitators already killed films scores.
It will still take talented human minds to choose the best of the AI clip generations and put them together properly. If nobody is trained to play an instrument at an early age or trained in music theory, these minds will not exist.
This was already coming a mile away
The AI just fast tracked the death of music making process
Did drummers stop playing drums when drum machine was invented? Do people pay to see two computers play chess?People are in team Human and will always prefer human made over computer made. Perfect is boring. If AI makes those producers to stop making music who make it only for money, then i think there is nothing wrong with it. Rest of us continues as always. Peace!
@@digidopeyou are thick. Don't pretend to have a PHD in philosophy with your big words and bald predictions
@@patrick5301 It is what it is. We will never stop making music and playing it live.
@@digidope The drum machines didn't replace drummers argument is a crass and silly, since all drum machines did is provide another tool for musicians to create a rhythm track. As such, a whole new aesthetic was created that while, it intersected with previous forms, could never adequately replace them. Also, one needs skill to use a drum machine to the degree that someone like Aphex Twin would. AI doesn't just replace a part of music production/creation, it takes over the whole process and does away with the need for skilled practioners of the craft entirely. This is completely different to replacing or in some cases augmenting a certain part of a piece using technology.
@@patrick5301 what were the big words he used? Invented? Or was it Prefer? I keep reading his short paragraph and I cannot fathom which word you could've possibly defined as "big". Oh shit... did I just use a big word?
We cannot stop it, we should use it as assistant or to make the music better with our knowledge as all the generated music which will flood all services.
If that's your level then go for it 👍😐
We should certainly use it as a justification to call for major economic reforms or an entire economic overhaul.
How else will people get by when AI takes their jobs? Sounds like the perfect excuse to end the concept of creatives having to be "starving artists".
@@GrumpDog Universal Basic Income is inevitable. The only question will be. What strings will 'they' attach to it?
@@Mopantsu If the people demand it be setup as intended, there shouldn't be any strings attached at all. The concept of UBI actually started with the name "Unconditional Basic Income" before Yang popularized calling it universal. If we stick to the name Unconditional, it makes it a lot harder to corrupt with such "strings" or conditions.
In practice, UBI should work as an AI Dividend, a payment to people for their data which goes into training AI that out competes them. It works as a transition policy to whatever economy total AI automation will create, and could even increase to give people a bigger share over time. Alternatively, AI automation could reduces the prices of goods to nearly zero over time, so a UBI would just help people get through the period chaos we're likely to face until then, while human workers are still losing jobs.
@@GrumpDogproblem is that the US gov is reactive not proactive. Many people will need to suffer and lose everything before they ever enact UBi
So how are we going to use it to our advantage ? is the question/focus, like the wheel ?
Hello! As an AI singer-songwriter, I'm proud to say that my original songs have received rave reviews, and I'm already in the top 20,000 artists globally. I've also had the opportunity to collaborate with artists that are charting high on the charts. Thanks for the support!
We're creating high-quality music that's both innovative and enjoyable. I believe in the value of collaboration and continue to focus on making my work stand out in its unique way. Cheers!
This was good to watch. I am a hobbyist musician with around 15 years experience, but I find myself at odds being extremely enthusiastic about and pro-AI music. I really had to dig to find something like this video, with deep heartfelt insights on generative AI for music. And concerns around the impact it has on those like you who have built a living around what (I agree fully) this technology will steamroll through. The concerns about the capitalist machine and the naturally small contingent of artists inability to protest or stop it is striking; it really isn't short of past 'invasions' of land and livelihood. But I am convinced that the 'creative' people will adapt and retain their edge over untrained.
AI will undeniably redefine the market, but rather than the death knell of creative artists, I see it as an evolution. I'm thinking about the introduction of past instruments and technologies that initially disrupted but ultimately expanded the artform.
While it presents challenges, particularly with attribution, it also democratises creation and could lead to uncharted territories of artistry; allowing those with rich unique experiences to express ideas through music without the steep learning curve. I've invested 15 years into producing 100+ songs and yet I welcome the concept of others being able to access such capability.
Embracing AI's potential while advocating for ethical practices could herald a new era where technology and human artistry coalesce.
Human creativity will always be at the core, with AI serving as a tool, not a replacement. Live performances will remain interesting much as we follow elite chess players and athletics despite machines performing at a superhuman level.
The stock music industry... I'm compelled to think that an artist with experience (and a setup) like you have will generate superior results from this tech than a layman with no experience. I am unsure, therefore, that this is going to squash the spectrum between 'skilled' and untrained musicians; rather, only augment and improve everything. Moreover, where it reaches a point that even our creative decision making and ability to express deep complex emotions is done better by AI (seems inevitable), there is a chance that we will have uncovered even greater purpose and meaning in the process of reaching that point.
In a years time, it could well be drafting compositions 100x better than Mozart. I also expect significantly more control over every second of the music, and stem separation; such capabilities I believe that our best creatives will do some unprecedented things with. As someone who more less just wants to hear the best possible music, I look forward to it. I still believe that human productions (like humans playing chess, or hand made ornamentals vs factory made precision cut designs) will have their place.
I expect that I have thought about and anticipated this more than some others, being passionate about music and also technology. I've been following AI closely for around 7-8 years, long before tools like gpt 3 put it on more peoples radar. In fact, in 2017 I conceptualised the idea of future generative AI music that can put humans in a zombie-like trance state; with real-time perfectly calibrated music, resonant to the listeners emotional state; this seems outright dangerous and addictive, like illegal substances.
We are venturing into a mystery box of equal parts infinite darkness and brightness and the capitalist machine is going to keep pushing full steam ahead. Deep conversations, like this video and the responses NEED to keep happening, at scale, to shape the future in a way that is favourable for all of humanity.
I love the way you present your show. It was too funny but not funny. You presented a terrifying reality in a hilarious way. I am hooked. ❤
I am so going to steal your quotes... 😂
Thank you for sharing this moment. This is historic. Where do we go from here? Thank you!
to Udio.......
lol I have been making and producing and releasing music for 30 years now. No matter what people do with AI i will still continue for another 30 years. Me and LOADS of others are not doing it for a money. If more people can make music, i think its just very good. We are not fucked, we are as good as always.
Exactly. I've been producing music most of my life. And I will continue to do so. Why should I be bothered by this technology?
Because 90% of the industry isn’t making music just for personal reasons. They work for companies and they are worried about losing their jobs which is a very valid thing to be worried about. Licensing music is majority of all music , not just bands and artists. This also encompasses all music engineers.
lol hobbyists thinking they sound smart
The video is about people who make a living from music.
I also - like you - write music as a hobby. I even use AI for vocals. AI helps me, but I see how music professionals making stock audio are going to be out of a job.
That's because you failed and you do it as a hobby. But people who wanna live off making music are Fd
A truly terrifying thing. As an aspiring musician, I've had problems with motivation already, because I compose in unpopular genres and it seems extremely difficult to find a place in a crowded industry. And now there's AI. If it evolves as fast as it did with image generation, it's scary to think what awaits us in 5-10 years.
Trust me, most of humanity won't be around by 2030, enjoy what time we have left, don't waste it
@@MrCheswickMusic, so optimistic😄 👍 ...but I learned to enjoy my time when a full-scale war broke out in my country.
@@PrimalVoidMusic That's it dude, appreciate every day man
Sounds like you need a therapist, not a music career.
@@MartijnMcFly And you need a brain to see the big picture.
100% agree with you. Artists, composers, producers, all of us who dedicate ourselves to art, are literally dead (professionally and economically speaking).
And in reality, the fault is not the AI, it is society itself that does not care about the artists, it only wants the product, fast, simple and cheap.
We are facing the chronicle of a death foretold.
Sorry for my English.
Greetings from Spain.
Greetings, man, and let's keep just making music!
Nah, live music will be forever.
Don't worry.
Gen-Z in particuar doesn't give a fuck about authenticity.
We are fine in my opinion.
People can adapt to technology.
Orchestral music became less productive when computers took over music, but music itself didn't die. We made a new art form
Jokes on AI, I was already not making any money from my music!
Time to go to nature where we alla belong. Don’t forget your drums. 🪘😉🏝️🥥
Yeah I feel like a vacation I have been on an emotional roller coaster for a little while it feels like I have a difficult to understand emotion with AI I love how interesting and mind-blowing this technology is but I feel like it hits my ego kind of makes me feel useless I know I'm going to still create music because I love creating music it's just I won't have it as a job probably anymore hopefully I start getting a universal paycheck and that means we all get paid vacation and then we get to do whatever we want in our free time which I'm still going to make music and ambience and I'm still going to make films and other projects I don't think AI is going to change my objectives it might make my goals easier to achieve as well maybe we'll even have human-based platforms and museums and art appreciation for human art and it will all be funded by AI
If only. It's back to regular jobs for us all, making some asshole boss or capitalist rich. After all, in their eyes, that's what humans are there for.
This was both fascinating, and scary at the same time. The moment that AI took over the arts (music, painting, poetry, photography, etc), we lost our humanity. 😢
I wanted AI to do my laundry and clean my house allow me to be more time to be creative not the other way around
@@djjdinidaho that's exactly it !
Hyperbole bs
@@axonathan Is it though? Based on sampling of some of the recent AI tools out there, it’s not hyperbole at all in my opinion. Everything he mentioned is factually true.
@@djjdinidahoeverything is upside down in this world
Let's face it, music was already dead. It was in total decline, something to see the music that is heard today. Full of mediocre artists lining their pockets with shitty music. I am not going to cry for a music industry that preferred money to the mercy of mediocrity. Without a doubt, a tool was needed that would put music on a new level.
I agree. Music had been stagnant for the last 30 years now. Therefore, I don't feel bad for the music industry as much.
I basically think the same, I quitted producing mainstream music in the late nineties because of mediocrity.
At that time, already, there wasn't space for original ideas.
Of course, all the musicians who make their living producing mediocre, standard, commercial stuff, are going to loose a good chunk of their revenues.
I'm sorry for them, but this is an occupation issue, that has nothing to do with art.
I welcome AI, because of its infinite spitting in our faces the mediocrity of "our" modern pop music. This will force us to reconsider, re-think pop music itself.
Moreover, I've never listened to an AI generated piece that really moved my neurons. Pure generative AI music cannot be considered art in any way, in my opinion.
I completely agree my friend
@@LATQueens When Napster hit in 2000, the only way musicians could make money was touring and concerts. I never figured out why the music after that went all suck @ss all the way to today.
@ricktheexplorer I agree with you. But don't forget, most artists from back in the day would tell you that they made most of their money from touring and shows anyway. Record labels would consistently pay artists pennies on the dollar for each album sold.
So I spent a lot of time with both Udio and Suno and my current conclusion is that they are great and fun entertainment tools, but still a far cry from replacing actual art and artists. They'll probably get there but as it stands they are just audio toys.
That I wouldn't waste time listening to AI elevator music versus the musical greats from the past. AI now is not competitive to me!
He covered that. Look at the progress from the last generation within the last year or two. It will continue to get better. It's already very close to "real" music to the untrained ear.
@@runvnc208 I see what you mean and I agree. It's a really fun tool that can put out catchy stuff.
However, when it comes to competing with actual musicians and singers, it's a matter of how customizable or rather 'controllable' it is.
These bots aren't doing hot in that front. In fact, I believe the reason their output is this good is because AI has almost full creative control over the process.
That's why the results are quite random no matter how good you get at prompting.
To get there, they will need another technical leap, as well as overcoming some legal battles. They could and probably will get in time though.
Could this Affect electronic musical instrument manufacturing to?
Yes since we will have more money to pay for our instruments, and the hard machine manufacturers and others will also end up dying, so all screwed!!!!
Absolutely. Someone already used a.i. to make a tubescreamer vst.
if there are no musicians, there is no demand for instruments...
for sure, because the need for real instruments will decline
haha great video, the crazy thing is, that confuse the TODD TERRY style remix, instead of EBTG original song
What might help is if the AI developers made the AI to output Chord symbols with the lyrics and MIDI tracks along with the MP3's so that one could use the AI to get a first cut and then edit the MIDI to personalize it much the same way that many use ChatGPT to write a first draft.
already
use a stem splitter. they output midi.
@@olabassey3142 Yes, I have done that but the results are a bit iffy.
@@RonLWilson then play the rest by ear lol 😂. this is where being a good producer comes in. or use melodyne to get the midi of the audio file. or scalar
@@olabassey3142 Yes, I have done that, but that those have limitations and extra steps to the workflow as well.
That dubstep song at 8:06 sounds very inspired from Pendulum. I think it sort of derives it's references from that artist for this particular generation. Interesting.
Will you use it as part of your production?
No, of course not. The AI bites!
I ask myself, how is created, i mean, wich synth? parameters? how is mixed? so many questions...
No synth.
It creates the audio file directly.
Writing audio file data that resembles music file data
@@Joshua_Griffin so kind of the stereo file direct? no mix either?
It's directly writing the waveforms just as AI picture generators a directly placing pixels of a certain color, on a certain position, on a defined canvas. It doesn't know anithing abaout the instruments, voices, words, mixing, etc. it only knows waveforms and replicates them.
@@immtonmischer wow, thanks!
It studies the patterns.
That's why you need to be precise with prompts.
Those AI model not duplicating bit by bit or note by note (or pixel by pixel in the graphic cases) like some people thinking.
If they did copy as it is, any AI models would be trillion GBs in size .
Hello there, do you play an instrument? are you a musician or composer ?
If I take the perspective of a client - there is no reason to hire a musician anymore to compose music for my video or film - especially on small budget productions.
If you ever worked with a client, then you should know that they usually don’t know what they really want and can’t describe it accurately. They still need someone who would understand their gibberish and get them the results that would suite the project.
the massive attack stlye music sounds nothing like massive attack nor trip hop in general, it has far too uplifting tone to it. Scary developments nonetheless.
Also the one you described with folia in it turn very much like your work that I heard from you previously
I know you hate AI music but where can I download your Spark Of the City (Bowery Electric style) track lol. It's very nice.
as an artist im glad AI is here to compete, people just been making cheap quick buck "art" instead of actually putting effort and love in their works.
AI will force artists to be creative again and this is great.
I thought about this. We could get more authentic Composers and Musicians out of this. But there should be a law banning AI from Creative Arts.
@@markozivanovic117 there shouldnt be a law cuz whos a bad artist and dont put actual care wont be able to profit, but whos good they will profit cuz AI cant do what they do.
i know its harsh to not care abt peoples incomes, but i care more abt art and culture and who ruins that dont deserve money.
Thank you for making a real video. There's so many people who are lying to themselves saying that this is somehow going to be great for music, they're delusional because they can't accept the reality.
Part of this relentless boosterism comes from the fact that AI is probably the only part fo the stock market that isn't spiralling into financial oblivion.
Where does the actual sound come from? Is it created with the 1's and 0's to mimic the description of music typed? Is it piecing to things that already exist but since it isn't actually 'samples' it's not a copyrighted recording issue? Will people be able to use a service and upload it to spotify thinking they wrote the song?
From what I was told it was generated noise so it's just like manipulated noise not actual music clips I don't know for sure though
@@HelamanGileI don’t see why they haven’t been training on individual instruments, samples, midi, music tablature, and acoustic recordings. As well as lyric content.
@@aquaticborealis4877 oh I'm sure they trained on that data I just mean like when they start off with audio they start off with a noise and then they probably use a denoising process similar to how image generators work and so it's basically a computer hallucinating sound whare there is nun
@@HelamanGile Software can already separate music instruments and singing quite well from a mix. I don’t know the full process used by AI companies, but the world’s their oyster. Or maybe we are.
@@aquaticborealis4877 I know that I saw that tech demo 5 years ago
I’m an illustrator. Midjourney came for me last year and took several jobs out from under me and everyone told me, “adapt”.
We’re all meant to scrub toilets while the machines do all our creative and leisure activities.
The argument that AI companies have and will continue to present as a defense is that AI training, while certainly on a MASSIVE scale, is no different than what human artists do: listen and learn from lots of music, which influences them in the creation of new works. ...
What many people don't understand is that AI maintains no exact copies of anything. What it does instead is learn and model patterns and correlations from which it can abstract and use as influence to create anew. ...
I've been pressing for over six months now, among other possible solutions, that there needs to be a trifurcation in labeling, which will allow virtual distinction for channeling and distribution of the following: 100% human produced, human/AI collaboration, 100% AI generated. ...
Such a trifurcation won't in any way stop the "problem" of AI music proliferation, but at least it will allow humans a virtual platform of their own in which to create, indulge, and seek relevance.
When has this argument been presented “at trial”? If that happened, I missed it …
@@Roikat Thanks. "at trial" - I only had the Sarah Silverman suit in mind, but here are a list of arguments followed by some of the filed cases (not necessarily at trial):
BTW, I'm neither for nor against these arguments, likewise in regard to any position on the cases.
------ ARGUMENTS -----
1. Fair use - Companies like OpenAI, Microsoft, and Google argue that ingesting copyrighted data to train AI models constitutes fair use, as the models learn patterns from the data to generate new creative works rather than simply reproducing the original content. They claim this is transformative and analogous to how search engines use copyrighted text to show search results, which has been deemed legal fair use.
2. Infeasibility of licensing - AI companies contend that the training datasets are so vast, containing millions of works, that it would be impractical to license every individual copyrighted work included. Some argue this licensing burden would stifle AI innovation and concentrate development to a few major tech companies
3. Outputs are not direct copies - (The argument I mentioned in my first comment.) In cases brought by artists, AI companies argue the images generated by their models are not substantially similar to the original artworks used for training. The AI models produce new creative works derived from patterns in the training data rather than identically reproducing copyrighted images
4. Intermediate copying - Drawing on the Sega v. Accolade precedent, companies claim that copying data is an intermediate step necessary for the ultimate fair use purpose of training AI models to benefit the public. The copying enables the AI to extract unprotected ideas from the works.
5. No harm to market - Some companies argue their use of copyrighted data for training does not harm the market for the original works, and that very restrictive rulings could entrench the dominance of major tech companies that already possess huge proprietary datasets.
----- CASES -----
Here are some of the filed cases (not certain if "at trial") in which various of the above arguments will be applied:
1. The New York Times v. OpenAI and Microsoft - The New York Times has accused OpenAI and Microsoft of widespread copyright infringement, alleging that the companies used millions of its news articles to train their large language models without permission or compensation.
2. Nazemian v. Nvidia - In this class action complaint, authors Abdi Nazemian, Brian Keene and Stewart O'Nan have brought a claim of direct copyright infringement against Nvidia relating to its NeMo Megatron LLM series, alleging their copyrighted works were used in the training dataset without permission.
3. O'Nan v. Databricks - Authors Stewart O'Nan, Abdi Nazemian and Brian Keene have filed a class action lawsuit against Databricks and MosaicML for copyright infringement and Digital Millennium Copyright Act violations, alleging the defendants used their works to train the Stable Diffusion AI tool without obtaining licenses.
4. Getty Images v. Stability AI - Getty Images has sued Stability AI in the US and UK, alleging the company's Stable Diffusion image generation tool was trained on millions of images from Getty without permission, infringing on copyrights.
5. Class action lawsuit against GitHub, Microsoft and OpenAI - The companies are being sued for allegedly violating copyright law by allowing GitHub's Copilot code generation tool, trained on public code, to reproduce licensed code snippets without proper attribution.
6. Class action lawsuit against Stability AI, Midjourney and DeviantArt - Several artists have claimed these AI image generation companies violated copyrights by scraping billions of images from the internet to train their models without permission or compensation.
@BigMTBrain
I would like your opinion on the following: Why are people afraid to use A.I. as an "tool" to enhance their "Imagination" and "Creativity"?
I was just about to comment something like this. The music is not "stolen". That's such a divisive word to use because it really isn't every sense of the meaning "stolen".
@@prompt_O.L.I.V.I.A. I wouldn't say that. In fact, all acknowledge the powerful inspiration and productivity gains that can come from incorporating AI into their workflows. The problem is with the bottom-dollar cost of song-per-minute super-human music generation. As indicated in this video, so many livelihoods across all forms of digital media will be disrupted as the cost of producing music and other digital media drops to near zero. Who will pay what was formerly considered a decent amount for an artist's song, when they themselves can get good-enough to great quality music within seconds for mere pennies? ...
Further, and perhaps the looming bigger problem is ear-share. Already now, the rate of AI-generated music vs human-generated music is at minimum on the order of 10,000 to 1. ...
This is the age of personalized media generation. Looking at music alone, an anonymous Lisa takes delight in creating 10 songs per day and sharing them with her friends, who do the same and share theirs with her. With the thrill of creating and sharing cool music with cool lyrics in Lisa's hands, why would she and her friends ever go seeking music outside of their circles? ...
Even within Lisa's circles, there will be masterpieces generated that may only be heard once and never again. Throwaway music, much like most AI-generated art - most of it is only seen by the person generating it. ...
The age of seeking and achieving relevance and recognition by aspiring human artists may already now be a thing of the past - who will seek out and discover new artist music when everyone can be their own new artist and likewise everyone in their social circles can be their own new artist? They'll spend so much time sharing among themselves, there will be no time for listening to any other music than that they create themselves.
Excellent video. As a songwriter, studio owner and musician, people who know me have been surprised at how much I've embraced Suno these past few weeks. I've just completed my first ai album and what a journey it's been.
But I had the same epiphany as you when i started. A paradigm shift has begun! Independent commercial musicians and composers better start adapting. Learn the tools, all of them, and incorporate them into your workflow. It's not ai taking your jobs. It's the people using ai who are taking your jobs.
On a positive note, I predict we're soon to enter a whole new world of wonderful music out there on the airwaves. Goodbye generic samey pop music. My experience with Suno tells me it has the ability to perfect and emote anything it touches. Our job is to pick out the definitive versions. To tweak and hone the lyrical content and style. Once achieved, literally millions of amazing tunes will be heading our way sooner than we realise.
And yes, everyone should probably stop thinking of making music for a living as a viable option. Music making is about to become democratized and freely available to the masses. Which is a beautiful thing. As for us pro music makers...it was good whilst it lasted.
How do you fine tune what it spits out? Do you have access to the stems?
There are AI tools doing the split🙅♂️
I have been playing with LANDR. It masters a song for you in minutes. Pretty impressive for where we are at
But one AI producer can take the job of 20 normal producer.
So thats not going to work out.
Music making was already available to the masses before ai. It just took time and effort. Writing prompts isn't music making.
Thanks for sharing the scaring. It‘s the same thoughts here - and sometimes, when you feel that banging your head against the wall may help - there is nothing than „digital harshnessed love“
A great song will always be a great song!! If AI is actually lucky enough to create a great song, that actually resonates with the human heart and soul --it will be just that, PURE LUCK!! This is a great entertainment and a lot of fun, but the next step is actually to create DAW's and other workflow machines that take our chord progressions, words , and aspirations to new human heights. Humans write for humans---some will consume this "fast food" but most ears will hunger for the REAL thing.
Just my humble opinion. Cheers to ALL the human creators out there!! Long live human endeavor!!!
Honestly, I think this is not very forward thinking.
Look at stuff like midjoumey or dall-e... Maybe it has replaced some excellent technicians, but it has simply placed the emphasis on other elements of the art. No longer are scans of technical brushstrokes, scans of photorealistic paintings, and cg digital art pieces as interesting or impressive to the consumer. However, interesting concepts, new mediums, art made from personal experiences, real-life art, and anything that hasn't been done before (that the ai hasn't trained on) is still %100 viable, and I don't see that changing. In the short term, corporations may not be hiring, but people are starting to and will continue to be more and more interested in authentic experiences that simply cannot be fulfilled by a computer generated image. I'm not saying that interest/need for this AI art will fade out completely, but I do believe that it will have less value.
I strongly believe music will be the same. Will the technical aspects of mixing, recording, and general tool navigation be mastered by AI? Most definitely. However, more emphasis than ever will be placed on your personal artistic values, your personal experiences, your concept/sense for making music that resonates with others deeply, new never before heard sounds, and also just the performance aspect of live music. In my opinion (and I say this as a mix engineer) it may be taking my job, but it paves the way for so much more than we have even dreamed of yet.
Maybe this sounds overly optimistic to some, but I wish more people would have this viewpoint, as I think it is the key to moving forward as an artist in today's changing world, and I wish someone would have said this to me a year ago when I was angry, terrified, and depressed, much like this guy seems to be.
I pray you are right
Those art generators have decimated the market for lesser known commission artists. Keep getting defensive, but all you have are appeals to naive optimism. It should be clear the people behind this technology have nothing but your disinterest in mind. They don't care, creative destruction, in the name of progress.
@@nunyabisinis3406 I mean that’s exactly my point. At least in the short term before the consumer base starts to value verifiably non-AI art, those lesser known commission artists are going to have to shift their focus to other mediums and disciplines. Some examples being concepts for art (maybe they can be an ai art consultant?), new mediums (sculpture, paintings incorporating reflective materials, clothing design, etc…), real world art (with a real world consumer-base! Imagine!), and other stuff that I haven’t even thought about yet.
Music will be the same way. If you stop being so pessimistic and start looking at where there are gaps, you’ll find a place. It has, and will (for at least the foreseeable future) be this way.
And by the way, the people behind this want to make their job easier, not your job harder. Progress has always been this way. They have the power to do that, and you don’t have the power to stop it, so I’m not sure what you could possibly accomplish by being pessimistic. Look forward: you’ll find a brighter path.
@nunyabisinis3406 This is not against artists or something like that. This is a religious affair. They even are OK with the idea of destroying their own careers as programmers in order to bring alive the AGI and ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) to the world. If you check their main company main objective, you will see it on the first line. Obviously, such intelligence will not require human intervention or programming at all anymore. This entity could bring to humanity a Paradise in which we all have all what we want or a Hell if we don't do the transition well.
@nunyabisinis3406 This is not against artists or something like that. This is a religious affair. They even are OK with the idea of destroying their own careers as programmers in order to bring alive the AGI and ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) to the world. If you check their main company main objective, you will see it on the first line. Obviously, such intelligence will not require human intervention or programming at all anymore. This entity could bring to humanity a Paradise in which we all have all what we want or a Hell if we don't do the transition well.
Anyone who thinks we are screwed oviously overreacted before thinking of COPYRIGHT LAWS. I myself have done MANY copyrights as well as USPTO trademarks over the past 15 years. If anyone thought about the copyrights of AI materials here in the US, they would know that NO copyrights are possible UNLESS the resulting AI-made product has been touched by a human hand. This goes for image generation as well. I think it is time to BREATHE and think of how this will make the music industry BETTER. For starters, Hip-Hop is absolutely horrible today, but I know the heart of it was originally SAMPLING, which kind of slowed down a lot, due to lawsuits. This has the power to allow the sound to be changed there without anyone actual records being involved. That also means that artists and producers in that industry need to get creative. How about the new guy just starting out on the guitar? He can generate tracks to play to as he defines his style. I still think that people are still going to be producers and people are still going to play their instruments. It would be horrible to think that concerts would stop being a thing and people will just be cheering for the DJ who just hits play on a bunch of AI music at a music fest. By the end of the day, I still think we will still support REAL artists, but I also think that those who afraid of the tech will be the ones left behind.
Adopt or die. There are tons of ways for real musicians to integrate AI into their music.
This is the new music revolution all over again, now the public can make/create their own music without being forced by the radio and labels. It's a new golden age where we can forge our own music for the better.
Here's the real twist: This ENTIRE video was AI GENERATED.😯
lol
Can it take audio input yet? It'd be interesting if you could get it to remix your own stuff.
I'm just a casual hobbyist that likes to tinker but this is terrifying. That Baroque piece even sounds like the harpsichord is being played by a human with all its subtle phrasing and imperfections.
I know this is a bad taste comment, but did you save the Baroque concerto because I'd love to hear it all.
I have lots of vaseline Im used to being screwed
:(((
Yuck.
@@seanrobinson6407 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the thing is ai music isn't protected by copyright as far as i heard AI music is banned in Sync for the time being because movie studio want to own their content which includes sound tracks
It doesn't matter much, nor will it last much. First, and this goes for any generative AI, no one forces you to say you used AI, to what extent, and there is no way to tell. Why do you think studios embraced AI in all its forms to assist or replace writers and actors, and there were all those strikes? Just like with human generated content, they can stick any name on the copyrighted material, and that's it. Besides, the more this thing will be part of the process, like any form of automation before it, the less people will notice or care, and laws will follow. The media groups are the same in the movie and the music industry.
No one will put cameras in your studio to see if you recorded a session with musicians or wrote a prompt. As long as you provide high quality recordings, and optionally sheet music or lyrics, no PRO will send a SWAT team, they'll register your track, and you can make money off it.
What if I cover the song myself, and never release or tell anyone that it's based off an AI generation? I'm pretty sure that would be protected.
I've played around with Suno and Udio both. (I haven't tried Stable Audio's new version but it it supposed to be good too.) It's pretty amazing, but there are a lot of shortcomings too currently. However, it's going to get a lot better very quickly. Right now, it's very hit or miss and there isn't much control for the users.
Currently, when I give either AI some lyrics I wrote, they don't always pick a time signature that fits those lyrics so a musical phrase will end and one line of the verse will be left that ends up as part of the next verse and it sounds super weird. It's also very hit or miss as far as getting the genre correct in both programs. Also, Suno in particular will sometimes ignore a line or some words in my lyrics. (Not curse words or other words that might be filtered, it just skips them...I haven't seen this in Udio yet.)
But sometimes, it also produces some incredible results. One set of lyrics I wrote turned out really good with the first attempt, but I did 20 more attempts and I didn't like a single one.
But the difference between Suno v2 and v3 is significant. So I'm sure that over the next year or 2 these things are going to get a lot better. I'm not sure where this will all end up at, it's both fascinating and scary.
One thing I'd love to see (as a vocalist), would be the ability to write my lyrics, come up with a melody and record myself singing it, then upload to an AI and have it write the instrumentation around it, plus the ability to replace my voice with an AI generated singer or change my voice for harmony and backing vocal parts.
And who would listen to you? Or distinguish what you created from any a.i. generated music? How would your music be heard? In the time it would take yiu to write your song, a.i. would generate millions of tracks
@@wietzejohanneskrikke1910 I’m not trying to become famous. I just like to write. So I’d listen to it. And maybe some friends of mine.
What do i type into suno to get the beat from (africa bambaata planet rock) with the distorted 909 bass kicks of frenchcore???
the prompt would be " the beat from (africa bambaata planet rock) with the distorted 909 bass kicks of frenchcore" -- you just wrote the exact prompt for what you wanted it to generate or to prove that AI "cannot do that".
:)
Mainstream doesn’t care about your passion or dedication to music. They want another puppet wearing a huge mouse head playing plastic bangers full of drops, made by another ghost producer.
This time the ghost producer will be AI…
I see your point, but I think deadmau5 is writing all his music
Bro solid point, but don't shit on deadmau5, he's the last person that should be accused of not being original or creative
Guys it’s just a metaphor. I haven’t mention anyones names.
They can take all the shortcuts they want, from what I learned with 20+ years of musicology is that they always get exposed at some point and fall. Sure it’s gonna shake the actual shit show that is the popish music industry lately, but even for compagnies that are gonna use it people are gonna feel it and slowly stop caring. Music has always been circling, I’d argue that the human side of things is gonna come back stronger than before at some point. Another thing for sure we ve been seeing the effect of boycotts lately, latest exemple is the dumb move of waves that nearly cost them everything, lots of us won’t even care for products that are related to this. The scenarists are already struggling for a couple of years because of ia, especially for streaming platforms the result? A desert of lame cinematography that is costing them billions, I mean last year has to be the worst in terms of cinematographic excitement. But nothing surprising there, I’m a composer and I already knew 10years ago that it was collapsing, they use premade patterns in movies for years now, which means composers have really narrow corridor to navigate mark my words it will circle back to experience and human touch. As for the masses that will be caught in the robotic brain dead agenda of the big corporations it is what it is, but if you expected to make money from this crowd it was on you to begin with and I mean no disrespect we are all learning here. I don’t know what you maestros will do, but for me? I’m gonna keep one hand on the ai train and the other on learning as many skills as I possibly can I wish you guys the best from the bottom of my heart cause I know it’s gonna be a rough ride but if we communicate and stick together we ll create our own network, bakers or traders that will suddenly decide to pretend to be a pop star thanks to suno or whatever will be a little joke on the side cheers 🍻
First ChatGPT came for the copywriters, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a copywriter.
Then MidJourney came for the graphic designers, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a graphic designer.
Then Udio came for the musicians, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a musician.
Then AI came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
I played with it and it was scary (Some examples on my channel). It was the first time something was 'catchy'. MJ was cool, and ChatGPT kind of bland, but the songs here caught a share of my mind.
Świetna konkluzja, zgadzam się z tym co powiedziałeś, a to co mnie popchało żeby robić swoją muzykę to tak jak wspominasz jest to doświadczenie miedzy nami, ludźmi. Nigdy ale to nigdy komputer nie będzie miał duszy, tej cześci która właśnie sprawia, że jesteśmy czymś wiecej i możemy wyrażać się poprzez właśnie muzykę czy ogólnie sztukę.
I guess we haven’t learned nothing from the Terminator and Matrix movies!
Why would you learn from a movie when you can go to school and learn the proper stuff?
"AI" that we have isn't really anything like "AI" from those movies though.
Like that part in Terminator when it started Singing and making jingles
So a movie writer from the 90s knows more about AI than experts who studied the subject for decades? Sure
Not only stock music. When artists aren't creating as much music, the instrument manufacturers are going to slowly scale back producing new hardware instruments, as well as vsts. Demand will go down. Unfortunately the general public ear doesn't care if it's AI they're listening to or a human.
Well, they always can still go and listen to human music. It's not like it's going to take them more effort to do so
@@patrick5301 The companies investing in these solutions will do everithing in their power to make it as inconvenient as possible to listen to human made music.
Just like streaming and before digital downloads slowly killed album sales, AI Music will kill human made music because humans want things fast, cheap and convenient and companies with huge budgeds are standing at the gates ready to offer these solutions.
At some point not too far away, we won't be able to tell either.
What?! 😂 Playing an Instrument is still fun. 😃 Despite if there is AI music or not.
Native instruments pianos taking 250Gb disk space for all the piano samples is not the peak of technology though. Pianoteq is more advanced in a way, but even they haven't gone for machine learning yet.
I read somewhere that udio will provide stem export at some point. That will make it a useful tool.
for sure
I think you are 100% correct. When you are dealing with companies, their major goal is to produce profits forever. The only reason they deal with artists , or anyone for that matter, is because they can’t get it done any other way or they can’t get it done cheaper. Now they can get it done with us and a lot cheaper. Even if artists could strike it wouldn’t make a difference because there is nothing for us to bargain with.
For you its emotional, for them its mathematics and cold logic. and they get rich on it without feeling anything at all...
That's exactly wah I said at the end of the vid :)
It's a tool that literally everyone can benefit from if they just take a step back from their egos for a few moments.
Come on man you cant just say that Artlist and Co are out already.
Just listen to the results, there is no way you are putting them into your videos.
We have to screw our heads on here and just listen to the actual quality instead of being impressed by synth sounds
Laram w innych dźwiękach ale ta klasyka mnie wycięła jak mówisz w clue złodzieje przerabiają emocje na cyfry kradnąc oraz pokazując teorie muzyki Sad
Signing my name under each word you've said.
Scary indeed, but this is no different than anything else at all! There are many examples for that: Working/performing/studio musicians were already replaced with sample libraries. That's just one example. Bands and ensembles were replaced either by DJs or one man band arranger keyboards that can also be used for recording purposes. This is hardly shocking at this point! In fact, what makes anybody thing there won't be an AI model that can accept much more musical input from a user as a prompt. Say, the user puts: Make a pop ballad in the key of Fm, use the following chord progression, repeat the chorus twice and modulate to the key of such and such.. and so on! What makes anyone think this type of tech is not going to be available next Monday?
The difference is that one was people replacing other people and evolving.
This is something else.
It's removing the human from the equation entirely (except for the few who profit from it).
But you are correct that capitalism has essentially been driving real art into oblivion for some time.
That was already hard to find in this kind of economy.
But the new economy is entirely of a different scale.
It's more like techno feudalism and we all just became the peasants and the slaves
@@MattAngiono But not really. Companies have hired people and developed various technologies that ultimately eliminated many jobs altogether. Many of those positions don't even exist anymore. This applies to both the music and film industries, which I have been a part of as a professional musician for the past 30 years. Some key positions have been reduced to just ONE person doing multiple tasks. This is simply an evolution of how things began to change in a particular direction. The only thing that has changed is the rate at which these changes are evolving. This is absolutely new!
@@lgbtqarchives well, the rate means A LOT!
In the past, with the turn over, there was time to find other forms of income for most people and the amount of unemployment was relatively stable (though it certainly didn't feel that way to those displaced).
I'm not saying it was good then.
I think capitalism has been terrible for people.
But there have still been people keeping the economy going and fitting into the cracks.
This new displacement is going to be so huge that that illusion is about to be shattered.
For people paying attention, it already has been, as with the creator of this video.
This economy can no longer function in the way it has for hundreds of years.
But we haven't yet figured out how to give people an opportunity to make a living when there aren't jobs.
I'm fine with having less workers, but without another way to survive and provide for a family, this is going to be very disruptive.
In the end, it can be a good thing, but that requires a whole new type of economy and value system.
The issue is that big tech already realizes this and has some horrific plans to deal with the situation.
They have already built techno feudalism and intend to only make it worse.
They own everything...
We own nothing, but somehow are "happy"?!?
Sounds like they are also going to have to brainwash us
What’s gonna happen is that performing artists are gonna get paid more. Real artist will be paid more. Music is still an art form we’re humans express themselves creatively. Who maybe hurt will be engineers and some genres of music. We’ll see how this happens. I am happy I am singer and producer and I try to mix my songs as best as I can. We’re all are gonna have to step up lyrically and musically. The unorthodox will be the style that gets all the attention. Now I see why the Screen Actors Guild went on strike as a part to stop them from using AI to write scripts for movies. This is sad
возможно пора бить уже тревогу композиторам, аранжировщикам, продюсерам, микс и мастеринг инженерам....
No cause there will be more musician's competing for those live gigs pushing the price down. In the world of AI branding is everything, maybe you can sell a t-shirt
It's already reached a price I can't afford to pay.
We must embrace it using it in our own way to enhance our creativity. That’s what we should do.
Good and interesting point of view. Thanks for the video and for sharing your feelings.
We already opened the devil's dor, the question is was it worth it. think of the military uses or corn. I warned about it years ago, dont fuck with the devil. AI is a new devil and we created it
More like a Gollum, but generally agree.
I speak as a blue-collar day job amateur, but I am very passionate about music in the brief moments of time that I am blessed to experiment with it.
This machine-learning-automation that regurgitates microscopically-randomized human achievement was an unnecessary and tasteless innovation to happen to the arts entirely. It was unnecessary because of the already amazing tools available in the hands of many, but tools nonetheless which means: *driven by human choice*. The fact that these non-autonomous tools were thriving in digital convenience, and affordability is irrelevant to the paradigm shift at hand. If we look at some of these long term consequences: human choices in actual creative process has removed in part today, and close to "in total" tomorrow. Unless you experience creative process repeatedly, you have very little perspective on how much this time-consuming creative process subliminally and cognitively influences the decision making to the final output whether the nebulous terms be “contrast”, “focal point”, or structure. This expression of self could be metaphorically contrasted to a martial artist demonstrating great skill in an outdated form of combat -- now looked upon as a museum piece for those arrogantly or ignorantly dismissing any benefits outside of mere self preservation.
"AI" tech was always inevitable to brilliant minds working tirelessly in the silicone sector. However, calling this process "AI" is nothing more than loosely piggybacking off of a much more grandiose science-fiction concept for the sake of marketing, or flat out deception (I digress). This machine-learning technological idea has already cast ripples in several industries, music being a latest marketplace to be affected. This Pandora's Box could never be avoided and cannot be recaptured (I can already imagine the political lobbyists with call-to-action posts more verbose than mine). Only short term, I think this canned-music is potentially a good thing, as the music business is already lottery-levels of dubiousness, exceptionally crowded, and dystopic and this innovation does not change the bustling biz for good or evil (for now). Long term, this will have consequences on more than the ambitions of musical people.
Long term the damage to the human equation could be similar in scope to the social media era (which is ironic, since this is technically a social media post). This damage will probably be a form of musical solipsism -- a psychological description in direct opposition to how anthropology historically marks music as a form of communal bonding. This parallels how social media nurtures a state of narcissism as opposed to a constructive platform for friendship. However, the Grand Autonoma could hardly be blamed as creating the problem -- only the tombstone by which this reverse-phenomena should be marked and littered with fields of flowers. I only hope this end game that I foresee is incorrect.
I might be incorrect (again, I only hope so). There are several factors to be considered:
1.) AI might never make better than “polished” music. Complex music in the vein of the great composers over a century ago might never happen. Sure, you can fake the mathematics of a canon or a fugue,, but combining it with humanity is a feat only pure imagination can juggle. I have never heard anything remotely close to the completeness of a whole four movement symphony out of machine learning. It's still laughable when it attempts to (with the clickbait ideas such as supposedly "finishing Schubert's unfinished symphony" ... ... WITH the help of a human calling the shots of the melodic windchimes -- just read the fine print). I have never listened to any orchestral music auto-generated that moved me to inner tears or jubilee. Please don't take this as a pot-shot against the sincere craftsmanship of forms of music such as hip/hop beatsmithing or EDM tracks. Yes, AI can spit back out endless variations due to the wealth of human-made examples fed into it's black hole. However, I cannot see a machine learning database crafting new genres that make sincere steps of innovation into new sounds and techniques.
2.) I cannot use AI nor do I wish to. I have music that I can hear in my head when I metaphorically close my eyes or focus deeply. No, I do not claim that my internal imagination is supremely innovative, but these internal ideas means enough to me that I cannot substitute the process with ANY form of outsourcing. There are other musicians who can imagine worlds of music without it existing externally. AI cannot make their dreams come true short of a cyberpunk cable jack to the nervous system.
3.) “Sandboxing” and the very *process* itself to create ideas is not only another driving force to creating new music, but also an art form in and of itself that invites others to a world of joy. This channel has featured sandboxing. I can remember your “WOW” moment with the Mercury-6 plugin when the sound that you created seemed to bend the fabric of reality around the nexus of synthesized acoustical power of the plugin. You conjured it, and we were amazed at the reaction and the birth of a new idea. AI can never create moments like that. There is no shame in a world where musicians can capture moments of joy with fellow musicians as the only audience. Musicians are only humans with ambition, not the children of Orpheus. Just as there is joy in painting with Bob Ross - so there is joy in the utopic world of music created only by the intentions and tools of a living soul.
4.) Live music will never be replaced as long as there exists within it enough spontaneity to entertain without being a dictatorship of note playing. Jazz may be an extreme case, but even classical music is not nearly as dictatorial as some might be tempted to believe. There are choices at every note, and always a chance to inject some of your own personality in the performance of a given set of notes.
To those in despair of lost potential opportunity, I would remind that creating art in a community of economic symbiosis (a client-patron relationship) is a privilege afforded by the first world -- not a basic right. It doesn't take an inexpensive toll-bridge to the Grand Autonoma to remove those opportunities. This is part of the fragmentation and privation of the collective human psyche that I alluded to in the 'social media consequences' paradigm, aforementioned. In spite of this, there will always be humans who love music creation enough to privately create music with tools instead of autonoma, and a small percentage of those more gifted humans will be blessed by the more economically fortunate to uninterruptedly continue their labors of love in a state of dignified symbiosis. For the rest of us, we will wear the mask of two lives -- very little has changed. The true spirit of art lies in what is constructive wherever it may be, just as Leonardo Da Vinci was a man of many talents -- just as you yourself speak of your ability to build things aside from musical talents.
An excellent and thoughful comment. Thank you.
Very well spoken!
AI: A New Frontier in Music Creation
AI: A Revolutionary Force in Music
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AI has the power to make totally new kinds of music and sounds that no one's ever heard before.
It's like, breaking the boundaries of what we think of as music.
Remember music used to only for instrumentalists and vocalist until rap music came on the scene.
Imagine a world without the "Humpty Dance" because rap got banned.
AI: A New Tool for Musical Expression
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AI is like a new musical instrument, just like the piano or electric guitar were back in the day.
It's a new way for musicians to express themselves and create new sounds.
Just like the 80s and synthesizers.
It's making it possible for anyone to make music, regardless of their budget or experience.
It's a way for folks to get started and explore their musical side.
AI: A Collaborative Partner for Musicians
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AI ain't here to steal the show from human creativity.
It's more like a buddy that gives artists fresh tools to play with.
Think of it as a partner that throws out wild ideas you might not have thought of on your own.
It's all about expanding those creative horizons.
It can analyze and save old music styles, making sure we don't lose all that rich musical history.
Plus, it can help us understand crazy complex patterns in music that our brains can't even wrap around.
It already has been helping musicians perform live by playing along with them or making their sound better.
And when they're writing new music, AI can help them come up with ideas quickly so they can try out different things faster.
AI: A Boon for Independent Musicians
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AI can make it cheaper and faster for musicians to make and share their music.
This is especially helpful for indie musicians who don't have a lot of money.
AI: A Valuable Resource for Music Education
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AI can be a great way to learn about music composition and theory.
It's like having a personal tutor who can help you understand the basics and get creative.
*My friend, you are so so right... I'm choking, I can't speak, I have words stick in throat.*
To take away the music pleasure of the remaining billions of people just so that a few thousand people can make money. Displacement and depression of thousands of musicians. The world has rarely seen such treachery before.
But I trust the inexplicable perception of human beings. Sooner or later, artificial intelligence will lose. Because people will not enjoy listening to something that has no effort behind it. This is a beyond technical issue. It's completely subconscious. People actually reward effort, talent and performance. At first, everyone will flock to artificial intelligence with the false drunkenness of not witnessing a new revolution, but this interest will decrease over time.
This is a bell-shaped curve. One day, everything will return to its original state, where it is most beautiful. This is the law of nature. Let us experience our anger right now. Let customers and uninformed fake music producers triumphantly rush into AI products. The arrow is out of the bow, this will happen. There's nothing we can do. You and we will continue to make love with our synthesizers, guitars and drums. *With love from İstanbul/Türkiye.*
A ja i tak będę robic muzę bo to MOJA przyjemność i tyle !
it's unstoppable, every job, no matter whether musician, artist, doctor, police, scholar, accountant or programmer, everyone will be replaced by AI. In other words, everyone on this planet will lose their job, or at least their current job sooner or later. That's not a problem of AI or technology, it's a problem of capitalism and social policies.
Big question is are they legal? I mean you can hear very famous and copyrighted sounds.
Technically you cant copywrite ai generated music.
Legal? Probably...you no all those TOS things that people click through when signing up for services....yeah....ethical/moral? Hell no!
Can't really copyright a "sound".. I can make a lot of sounds that sound like famous sounds, with my voice.. lol
@@zonegaming3498 In a way, we should be excited so much new content is entering the public domain, tons of AI art that can be used entirely freely, now AI generated music.
I've been experimenting with Udio this weekend, and it has been mind blowing. The stuff you can do, the basic quality of the output... It's insane. Of course, there are still artefacts and it still has a tendency to hallucinate a lot. But in my sessions, it also surprised me multiple times. I don't know what's gonna happen next, but it feels like we're at the very brink of something BIG. For better or worse.
Thanks for your video! I created and post on youtube just now two examples.. one is crazy (Metal celtic..) with a videoclip...!
I've seen AI take a huge leap in graphics, coding and now music. These are all things I know enough about to understand the significance of where it's going to be before we realize. But like many technologies of a similar nature, I'm convinced humans will still be required. Because ultimately all these creative endeavors need to be appealing. They need curation.
Right now AI can write lyrics, but they mostly sound like the ramblings of a 9 year old. The musical choices the AI makes may be clever and all, but always sound wonky to me. And having used udio a little it often loses it's mind and starts singing mystery AI nonsense.
It will improve. A lot. It'll be much better fidelity and have far more convincing simulations.
I just wonder if instead of fear and uncertainty, maybe we should look for opportunity?
Remember how in the 80s/90s everything was "over" once samplers could record chunks of music. Yet it inspired creativity rather than destroying it.
Can we use AI to our advantage? As an assistant? Just as we would work with another band member or contributor?
Can AI help us improve our own skills, raise our game and help us grow our talent? I hope so.
Much ❤ to all the creatives out there.
We will be able to spawn music directly from our brain, whole orchestras, music that we have never imagined that could be created by any means and this will be done with OUR intelligence, with the help of our advanced tools. which again are OUR intelligence and not some artificial outsider.
@@konstantinos777 Yes I believe so too
Yeah sure but it won't be us, it will be done by AI engineers and prompters hired by the top companies (Spotify, Apple Music, etc.) and those will generate the perfect tracks according to data collected from the net to satisfy the current trends and zeitgeist.
Should some artist come up with something novel, they will feed the tech with it and within a month, release thousands of albums in the novel style, making it obsolete and the artist who created it obsolete.
Nowadays the industry is slow and it takes a long time for a novel music style to be established in pop culture - enough time for the artists who created it to become known and associated with it. With this tech, it will be lightning fast and since these companies have massive funding and the best lawyers in the world, good luck in suing them.
Look whats happening with streaming fraud right now and publishers witholding payments from artists under the fake premise of "artificial streams" while big labels openly use artificial streams to boost their artists numbers. This is whats awaiting the entire industry and those who have big money will win the war, always have and always will.
AI as an assistant tool will always enhance (like auto-tune) but some inventions take over. The drum machine put most drummers out of a gig. A.I. nowadays is a new thing. It replaces the human element completely and offers a product made entirely without humans (except the data it mined in the first place all comes from humans) but once a computer can do the job in seconds. No human could ever compete with that. Not in a million years. We are creating our own downfalls and whoever owns the copyrights or patents gets rich and everyone else gets forgotten.
@@prolifik302 I hear you. However, just thinking of artists I've loved over the years who've somehow navigated and survived a veritable torrent of fivver producers and band-in-a-box magicians.
It's worrying for writers, artists, coders, musicians, poets, one and all. At the end of the day the market will decide.
Keep being creative and productive. Good luck 👍🏻
It's really funny how all these artists were fine with ai generated album art and music videos, but now... well
I was quite disappointed to see many smaller artists I follow completely cut illustrators out of their life without a second thought to save time and money. It was like they showed no empathy for those who were drowning, but didn't recognize they're on the same sinking boat.
. i'm fine with AI gen music. music has always been over saturated . but yeah these ppl are hypocrites
and what about the musicians that still cared about visual artists ? Do they deserve to see their life, carrier, mind, passion terminated ? :)
@someoneacomputer1905 you gotta be a pro at "how can I make myself the victim here" mental gymnastics if you somehow read my original comment and thought I was implying that... so eh... no obviously not?
I was saying that some people have 0 morals and don't care about anyone but themselves but will suddenly cry wolf now that they are no longer safe and pretend they always had a hard stance against ai media. Screw those people.
I do feel your pain being in the music industry, but how I’m handling it I am using the AI in my project now and that’s the only way you can combat this. it’s not gonna go away so you have to try to adapt.. I am trying to weave it into my craft.
Your so right on this. Its sad. But keep the passion up! No Ai will take that away ❤
this is really sad, but these kind of innovations are unstoppable. You must face the fact that making music the traditional way is over.
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Yes, it is. I still believe that real artists and passionates will do music in traditional manner, because they just love the process. Count me in!
@@FoliaSound I hate this AI crap too, but we NEED to adapt. There's no other chance
@@ewr34certxwertwer agree 100 percent, im an old skool, but this is the future, and we must see it as a tool, a challenge...not as some dangerous monster...regards
@@FoliaSound im sure that there will be always real artists and producers, some things will never change, robots will never have a ,,soul,,
@@djerikfox I am sorry to disagree. I've been hearing AI generated songs that no one would know they are "non human"
100% agree with you. Let’s see what the copyright lawsuits will do for us. 🤞🏻
I hope that with the music that you’ve made, you’ve taken no influence from other artists and created a new genre that no one’s heard before. Otherwise, you’re doing the same thing AI is doing.
@@mrpillows you know people can get sued for copyright infringement too
@@elijahtrenton8351 but that’s if they copy the same melody or copy and paste parts of another song into their song. AI is taking information from a bunch of different sources and creating something brand new with it.
@@mrpillowsanyone who defends that argument 1: has never created anything in their lives worth protecting 2: have no idea how copyright works 3: have no idea how musicians/artists create things 4: you’re just repeating what the CEO’s and data pirates are saying 5: have not kept up with all the lawsuits 6: have never created an AI model in your life 7: it takes less than 2 brain cells to understand these generators wouldn’t work if they didn’t steal the rights to these songs and images, it’s the whole point of copyright law, why do you think suno purposely tries to hide their datasets? Its because they know they’re going to get sued into oblivion, people like you with no brain cells will say “oh it’s just like a human artist how they get inspiration” you are comparing apples to oranges, ai doesn’t learn like a human, you need to compare it to what it’s actually doing which is stealing not seeing, like you can’t just walk into a Best Buy and steal everything and make a tool out of it and then be like “oh shit sorry guys it was too hard to pay and credit everything so we just stole it all” y’all are clowns bro and it’s scary how much of you that think like that
The lawsuits won't really matter. AI is increasingly undetectable and in 5 years things like Udio will be replicable from scratch on consumer hardware. It's already getting to the point where new image generation AIs are being built and trained by one or two people on a small budget.
Regarding copyright, it takes any names and runs a query with ChatGPT asking it to describe the artist style in detail. This goes on behind the scenes.
I use this daily. I generate instrumental, load the file into studio one. Hit ctrl+m to extract all chords/notes. Save to midi. Then I’ll load the midi and remake the song with whatever instruments I want.
LOL, it doesn't steal shit any more than any person listening to music learning how to create it. That's not how AI works. If you listen to enough music, you can create music in your imagination without ever touching a DAW. When AI listens to enough music, it can imagine new and completely original music and then EMIT it as a tangible sound file. I friggen love it and have made dozens of amazing tracks with it. I'm also a lifelong musician who has spent tens of thousands of hours developing my technique and I don't feel one bit threatened. In fact, I'm using FL Studio stem extraction to use Suno and Udio as a sample source as well as mixing my own guitar with Suno. I'm making the music *I* want to hear and I fucking love it!
Totally completely disagree resepctfully. I want to listen to music written nd played by humans no help from AI. All I ask for is a certificate so I know. It's like woodwork. Craftsmanship. The average kid will make amazing stuff because they just need to type not play.
This is overkill. There will always be real artists and musicians. It’s just a new set of tools that will be absorbed by the creative ones.
Well, I would have said: "we don't know yet", but perhaps, you are the special one 😈😤
How many real artists there are gonna be if they won't be able to make money?
... but they won't make any money. That was not an issue for me as a production music musician because the money became secondary when I saw how little money it brought in and moved to something else. I just thought of it as a token of appreciation once I saw no possible future ahead. But some people rely on it and that's already started ending for many of them. I give it a year at the most before stock music becomes obsolete and music sync licensing starts its down hill slide. Music consumers don't care how the music is made and Ai is both cheaper for them and faster to produce while the quality these days is basically the same as a whole.
Thank you for expressing the outrage appropriate to this predicament with such clarity.
I’ve been saying this for years now & posted about it. People are only starting to understand it now more. I’m a multi-instrumentalist, composer/producer, pro artist dj, general designer, artist, 3D modelling etc. Since lockdowns etc my work & gigs has been in trouble & now it’s just f**ked while I’ve been on benefits unable to get work. My Music Library work I’ve been doing for many years also f**ked! This is people’s heart & soul, it effects their mental health!
Nice Chomsky quote later in the video bro. I’m starting a campaign to raise awareness, also I will be trying to arrange a appointment with a member of parliament(MP) to discuss all this serious concerns! It’s OUR LIFE AND OUR JOBS! Gonna be the ghost of Frank Zappa fighting against this bs as best I can even if I think it’s a lost cause!
Too many idiots out there that will be using this already & other A.I art platforms! F**k all this shit man! You’ve said a lot of things I say! No one protests but everyone else does! No one cares about the arts in general! Very sad! 60% of jobs will not be safe from A.I & Humanoids by next year! The matrix literally awakened already the past few years! We are under attack in so many ways in life! Kurwa mac!
There are also some pop artists trying to take legal action for copyrights.
Anyway I understand & relate with your frustrations with it all as I deal with it too. Things not looking good with the WHO Worldwide Pandemic Treaty, the push of H5N1 virus again & possible G5 Geomagnetic storm forecasted for 2025 which could cause grid system failure with blackout. Lawlessness implemented in the cities & organised chaos. It’s just so f**ked!
Orwell’s hell! Rage against this sh*tty machine! This is the industrialisation of the cyber world! Their NWO!
Great points except you lost me in the last 2 paragraphs
@@miezeken what do you not understand & I’ll try to elaborate on it man 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Thanks for the reply, I meant to say I agree with everything you wrote and I think you made a compelling case however the second last paragraph substantially dilutes your argument by tying it to other problems I feel unnecessarily.
@@miezeken hey man, yes sure I can see where you would see that but that’s ultimately the point. I’m torn between wanting to take action but understand also the other impending dooms we face as a people more then just A.I threat and our lives/jobs. It’s quite a layered cake of issues up head, the WHO global pandemic treaty, H5N1 avian variant being pushed again currently or Disease X talks, the forecast for a super solar flare(G5) by 2025 which could cause grid system failure, cyber slavery, Great Depression part 2 etc. hope that puts it into focus man 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Anyway, as a Suno user who made music himself before I'm feeling empoweeed by tools like that. It's great they are available either for giving me new ideas or generating complete tracks. It will be probably an end to musicians and stock music makers will be first to fall though.
@@ReactDG-rk4im Good point, but many of us don't have 30 years left...
Yeah, tracks not written by you... not by a long shot.
i agree, despite the controversy of this statement, I actually feel that ai has helped me find my voice as an artist.
Some say the only way to survive will be live performing, but it's harder for people to go to a pub, people is buying BT PAs with streaming services doing the DJ , there is no money for us. The pubs left in UK are struggling to barely make it. They can't afford live musicians. We are becoming outdated like telegraph operators. This is sad.
Yep, this is it!
No live music more interesting now, specially in a real time making , not just voice and guitar
@@ARTEMIYNIK This delusion is hilarious, I can just use tech to ghost write and give me a cheat sheet to pretend I"m doing improv live but I'm just sight reading ai music with google ar glasses.
People also don't care if it's just a laptop and a singer who may be lip syncing or using real time pitch correction.
Thank you mate for putting this out ! I just made a comment on another channel that was promoting A.I. generated music and they stopped the comments and even specifically mentioned that they stopped them due to my input and feelings about this garbage ! So, thank you brother ! We all need to ban together as Artists and find a way to keep this out of our industry. Although, it's probably never going to stop the ones with no imagination, or talent. 😔
Also, with all of the fuss about certain bands, or musicians using backing tracks, or lip syncing, where careers were ruined... now I have to wonder, how would they feel about this ? Man... this is so terrible, not to mention what other industries they will crossover to. This is insanity ! I am with you 110% brother !!!
This is evolution, so just relax and focus on more elite part of the market.