For the First Time, I'm SCARED of A.I. as a Music Producer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- As a music producer I was not scared of AI until today. What just happened with A.I. and music production is mind-blowing
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00:00 For the first time, I am scared
00:23 Can you identify the A.I. song?
00:57 Chapter 1: Being a music producer
01:40 Chapter 2: Insert Greedt Corporates
02:11 Chapter 3: A.I. Enters the Game
02:39 The reveal
03:00 Chapter 4: Facing the Devil
03:53 Creating an A.I. Track
06:16 Creating A.I. Track in different genres
07:35 Trying the new A.I. free beta app
09:14 Let's try one last time
10:10 Chapter 5: Existential Dread
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By 2030. A movie can be Made by prompt
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa They're already on their way towards that with Sora AI video generator.
it really appears i have to fight this on my own with Benn Jordann on my side now.. this is my other youtube btw.. i'm a vtuber composer of many genres for video games.. you think we gonna stand silent on this when all these youtubers promoting this stuff like it's the next big thing lololol.. Udio music which anyone creates is not their own product.. the produced track is owned by Udio.. it's right in their legal terms.. they are not stupid.. it's non profit and no person can sell Udio produced music as their own products.. it's illegal.. otherwise UMG would have shut them down already like they did to Anthropic ai website.. I bet they will still go after Udio cuz there are too many people thinking they can use it as their own.. it's 100 percent not legal.. follow Top Music Attorney... will you stand with us agains this? i'm so tired of youtube composers using this ai stuff as clickbait for views..
3:33 made any savings on music so far? 😅 thats what i wrote to some Polish producer worried about this in his video ....averidge idiot consumer will not notice difference ....i could tell its AI for some acoustic gypsy guitar music ...i liked it .....music producers is done ...we is done as humans ...AI will be creating we will be consuming .............hmm no tnx i'm off outta civilisation far far from anrdroids that cant live without smartphone ...now i know i was right 20 years ago what will be .....bad things from it all chipped transhuman 5G androids is not human race and build all this AI to take over ...whats our pourpose then?
@@jahstafari4606 it's illegal to retain ownership of anything created by ai music cuz it's sampling from songs already made.. it's right in their legal terms lololol.. this is what all these TH-camR IDIOTS.. are not telling ppl. it's illegal .. you can't use it as your own product. ppl are so dumb in 2024... they will do anything for view numbers
We’ve been so desensitized with samples, auto tune, drum machines, grid snapping, etc that AI generated music doesn’t stray too far from what people are use to. Maybe this pushes music creation back into the wonderful world of imperfection.
It can create a gun's and roses style song though with guitar solos and everything it can do it all.
AI will eventually emulate imperfection perfectly.
@@tomscully7489 …Isn’t that an oxymoron? ;)
All planned long time ago
lol
Digital content has been comoditized. The best path forward for artists is to create experiential performances thay people can enjoy live, outside of the digital world. That's the new frontier for musicians, back to the beginning, where the listener and the artist are sitting in the same room sharing a human experience.
I’m not so sure about that… Did you see the virtual concert of ABBA? Yes, people were there in the audience , but there were holograms on the stage. If music will be crested by AI, the new “artists” will be AI generated… the “concerts” will be digital as well… horrifying 🤦🏻♂️
streaming services was the worst thing to happen to the music industry... this however, may eclipse that 10fold
We’ve made everything formulaic and easily ai able. How will new styles break through in the ai world?
You guys, that's my point... as "art consumers" the choice is ours as to where we will put our money on, will you buy a digital show? Or will you choose to support your local artist by attending to their shows? Live art may end up being an underground experience, however it will be the only way to acces REAL human art, as oppose to simply consuming AI generated commodities that are cool but empty of soul.
That’s why people love Marc rebillet, it’s so real and authentic
George Orwell predicted this in 1949 in his novel nineteen eighty four. "While he is waiting for Julia, he recognises a song that a prole woman below the window is singing, which is a popular song written by the versificator, which is a machine that writes songs with no human input." Yikes!
George Orwell was a reactionary spy who kept a list on people he suspected to be Leftist or Jewish and handed them over to government intelligence. He was an imperialist cop in India and attempted to rape his pre-pubescent niece. He wrote Animal Farm as revenge for being kicked out of Leftist organizations for being too fascist. His writing sucked balls, and the only reason his work ever achieved any notoriety is because the CIA saw value in the propaganda of his cartoonish portrayals and paid to publish his writing world wide and even paid to produce moving picture adaptations.
Orwell was a prophet just as Nostradamus was
Literally 1984!
@@RedButtonTV1that sounds like a long time but it's definitely not. Shit is moving fast.
@@johnnyeproductions I think he was an initiate
Ai is going to disrupt every industry. Nobody is prepared for how fast it is all going to happen. What is important is how we as a society take care of each other and how wealth is distributed.
Yep. But enough people are selfish monsters they won’t allow it. Because those monsters have the power. Unless we remove them from power there’s no end to the suffering they’ll allow the rest of us to endure so they can hold on to their ill gotten gains. It’s going to get interesting, that’s about as much optimism as I can muster.
@@mrnelsonius5631 Wow, spot on! Exactly how I think but you put it in words perfectly.
Good luck with that one. This has all been happening since Reaganomics. We're just finally seeing the final act in a large stage play.
By the time it gets really really bad. Millennial Gen Z will be at an age to do something... but they will all be too brain dead zombie fied to do anything.
The cost to run AI is too high. Sam Altman himself said that to build the systems to host AI in the future will take nearly 1/4 of the USA's annual GDP (Ann. GDP is $27 TRILLION). Then there is the environmental harm creating that much energy.
@@anniesthesia There seems to be plenty of transhumanist VC money available to throw at this industry. And just like crypto, people stop caring about the environmental harm once they can justify a personal benefit. 😕
Good thing I make music for me. I only release things so I can say I'm done with it.
Same. The music im most proud of has less than 10 listens on soundcloud. I dont mind I exclusively just make music when im in the mood and want to be creative.
Same, making music with AI will never be as gratifying as making it on your own.
It never will be indeed. They may take our money, but not the enjoyment of creating our own art. @@IgnusVermaak
same
Make music to help people. And you'll always have an audience and a future. Because AI doesn't do that.
First ChatGPT came for the copywriters, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a copywriter.
Then MidJourney came for the graphic designers, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a graphic designer.
Then Udio came for the musicians, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a musician.
Then AI came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Hehe
How depressing. Not only have producers been mugged off for years, especially since downloads were introduced. Now I’d say A.I is the final nail in the coffin for a lot of us.
yes, its offically over.
It's wonderful.
As a DJ I really notice when a producer has put his hearth and soul in a track and is not afraid of trying new things. Unlike manny producers who just do the same trick over and over (like an ai) and never leave their comfort zone, these are the tracks that really set the the tone of the set and will be remembered and requested by the audience in the years to come. I see ai as just a tool, just like when digital dj’ing took over vinyl. Dj’s didn’t got replaced by automated playlists, event in electronic music people stil want to experience the human aspect.
In the end the human equation behind the music, should not be underestimated in my opinion!
Yeah as a DJ I feel the same, generic doesn’t click me
I think the 70's will be back again
I guess you are wrong…
@@torsten23he is TOTALLY right man
Still, these machines need to be trained on something. If not given new input they will be limited or boring. Right now that means human artists. (...what a clarification I've just made 🙄)
I hope that there will be a movement that embraces human-made music with all it's imperfections. AI may make generic music in the future and do it well, but human's will make something that means something more to them and through expressing their feelings, I believe humans make deeper music, that's more thought out and felt. Maybe I'm just hopeful, but making music is fun, making music is like a therapy, telling a story and I hope people will still appreciate human-made music forever and if they do not, it will still be my hobby, because it's fun and makes me feel better.
i couldnt have said it better
I absolutely agree with this. Making music is therapy, followed by creating a circle of relationships with people who have the same symptoms.
#noAI
Check out the DAWless scene. Kinda impossible for ai to make music live with hardware.
There will be a human movement for sure , BUT…unfortunately it will be just a little niche… like for example the Amish community…
The "AI is just a tool"-era is officially over
"I studied music for about 12 years, and I was sure that the day would come when people would hear me, and somehow I would be able to monetize my hard work. Then, we got this. I cry."
Dont need to cry, in 2-3 years we will be able to create our own bluck buster movies with sound track actor voice, big VFx for 3 bucks instead of 100 millions! Lol
@@FulguroGeekYou're not wrong, but no one is going to care either. Art is dead.
@@msscott22 It'll actually be a new era of the finest art ever created. But we will not be doing the heavy lifting.
@@Magpie1701 No, art is dead. It's over. You'll see. You'll be making blockbuster movies in your office, but no one will even care. No one will watch. No one cares if everyone can do it, and they especially don't care if it's being done by A.I. Just watch.
@@msscott22 yeah alright well stay unhinged, I plan to enjoy the future.
How to stay calm and adapt to it? It will kill licensing first, music for ads, corporate uses, film and tv. As for real songs, people tend to go to artists, real people. I don’t see people being enthusiastic for an AI song.
As for electronic music in clubs, most people dance on music they don’t know, so it could be dangerous if it’s cheaper for a club to produce an AI playlist than paying regular fees.
So many questions. But yes, I was shocked by seeing this…
yea the thing is suddenly everyone can be an artist. Because everyone can use AI and release their own AI generations under their name. So what does it even mean to be an artist anymore?
@@michaelsimpson9175 True! But this will have a price, as those companies must run servers etc. And AI must feed from somewhere and I guess that labels won’t accept that a long time. I guess that a legal canvas will exist someday for this, with at the end, maybe, fees paid by AI companies when they use copyrighted content to feed their engine.
@@michaelsimpson9175 Yeahhh, the fact that you could bust your ass to come up with a truly distinct sound only for someone to feed your body of work into a model to spit out music that bites your style and competes with you directly is so unnerving. I don't understand why we're doing this...
@@michaelsimpson9175 I already saw at some demo submission forms, that AI songs are not approved. I don´t know how to check it, but still.
@@michaelsimpson9175 Well, technically, they aren’t the artists. Just like in painting/drawing AI “artists” are just commissioners, they don’t make the art. The artist makes the art itself, which means he goes through every necessary step to achieve his vision, unlike the AI “artist” who just prompts a slot machine, doesn’t matter how elaborate that prompt may be, he is still using a slot machine and incapable of producing without it.
The purpose of music is connecting with each other. Before we had electronic devices music was so rare. We had to go outside to listen to music in live environments and meet other people to make the music together.
I think in future live music will become more important than ever
►I think in future live music will become more important than ever◄
I arrived at this same conclusion sometime ago. Even further, maybe it will make us extract even more value from live performances and real live recordings than we all have for music, either for electronic or acoustic. That's a positive possible result.
The point of music consumption is entertainment. The point of creating music is meaningless
@@JeremyDahl meaningless? You have no idea of what you're saying.
The meaning is the HUGE flood of dopamine and other hormones that gives us pleasure, and second, you can make money which is a medium of exchange of goods and services.
The same happens with any other aspect of life, from sex, eating when hungry to going on a vacation...
That's the meaning. That's why you get up from bed, it is because of what you FEEL. That is what matters, the same with creating music.
@@Paladinoocara 27 people exactly, care how a dj performs or if Beyonce is lip syncing
@@JeremyDahl I'm not talking about DJs or Popstars, I talk about people like Marc Rebillet. He is a perfect example for how amazing live music is with all its imperfections
Performance will be all that's left in the future.
until tech-bros start paying for humanoid robots to stand on stage, pretend-performing AI-made music. I hate what I've written but I'll be damned if Elon Musk doesn't do that to open one of his speeches within the next 5 years...
@@JohnScigulinsky Chuck E Cheese already been doing that for decades .
Just like back in the old days before recorded music.
@@JohnScigulinskypeople still love live vocals that are organic and true I would think
@@JohnScigulinsky We already have a set of ABBA holograms filling arenas. The cold hard truth is the average person doesn't give a damn how 'real' their music is. Big Macs may not be great, but they outsell steak. This is the same deal.
I'm genuinely shocked there are no class action lawsuits stemming from the use of AI being fed copywritten work to produce their tools. I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to prove in court, especially when you can feed the AI lines like "in the style of ____" and it actually sounds/looks like the artists' work. The basis for proof in copywrite claims in court aren't stringent and it would severely hamper AI companies. If a record label decided to take its own IP and make an AI then that would be 100% legal, but at that point they've paid the artist. They can do whatever they want with it.
This!
I m what music industry called a bedroom producer or hobbyist (yeah I have another full time job) , I release my music anyway and guess what ? nobody cares :p when I try to talk with labels or radios, the comment are still the same , my music has too many different influences , too many elements, sounds too different from the sound they are looking for.. so dont be surprise AI produce something which sound like what was previously exiting, people love earing the same thing again and again. As a bedroom producer, I find myself navigating these challenges. While it can be disheartening to see the same patterns persist, I continue to create and release music that is true to my diverse influences, even if it doesn't fit neatly into current market expectations. It's about expressing creativity and passion, not just conforming. So to fellow musicians and producers: keep pushing boundaries, your unique sound is your strength, even if the industry isn't ready for it yet. Who knows? Maybe our different sounds are just the fresh wave the music industry needs.
Well, worry not. Nothing will be done, just like with art (painting/drawing), nobody cares.
This reminds me when sampling was on the spotlight. People had similar reactions :D
the copyright fight in music has reach such a ridicoulous point where sometimes artists themselves cannot make a video with their own sound because it's copyrighted. copyright dont protect talent, it protect people who know our the system works and want to get the maximum money of their work. many talented artists has been spoiled because they didnt protect their work against lawyers and business people. btw, on sumo if you prompt contains a famous artist name, it's rejected
This is just the start too. It will develop and get better and better.
First as an professional sax player I didn't like it but it is so good it will wanish all shity pop and contemporary music and will disolve corporate connection to run in a big music industry
if i find out that any DJ at one of my shows plays an AI track they''ll be banned, tarred and feathered.
how do you propose to do that? Create an AI to spot the AI lol
Even if listeners enjoy it? Are you also trashing cats because people don't use horse carriages anymore to move around?
ah yes, the old "I'm going to fight technology and new developments instead of adapting" path.
Thats if you won't be the first to enjoy it😃
It's already happening. They've been playing songs with AI vocals for over a year. It just took time for the rest of the music to catch up. Vocals have been there for a while.
Okay, we're fucked
Just relax and enjoy
Lol i love this answer because it's humble =) yes, we're basically fucked if we make music for a "market".. but somehow, people who want to feel something are still going to make music for their own.
@@laurentsauvagnac Yeah but you will pick up patatoes the rest of the day.... Human is fcked welcome to matrix.
Yes, and I love it.
Came after chat gpt was reading me a custom text and I felt like a person was reading it to me, I am an IT guy ,I was skeptical about how good AI was going to be with language processing and for the first time I am scared. We are making a dangerous entity.
As a decades programmer Ai is actually for us. You probably have not understood that as yet. Chat gpt is not a competitor. It's a free programmer assistant.
but we had many Al artists in the past:
Weird Al Jankovic, Al Green, Al Jarreau...
You still don’t get it . If everyone is driving cars what happens to horse ?
@@kojoefante horses stop being work horses beaten to drag stuff through their own shit and start being beloved pets spoiled by rich people.
guess we both didn't get what the other meant
This comment is so underrated 🤣
sure I remember P Simon saying we should call him AI?
@@AFNacapella Please, take a look at Wall-E (Pixar production)! 😂😀😶😢 We'll all be the AI spoiled pets! 🤭😥
Had a play with yesterday. It's a bit of nightmare to get it to consistently make an actual song over 1.30 that works but I definitely see it getting there when it starts spitting out stems then we are in trouble.
Udio just addressed these things in it's latest update.
Inpainting to fix even minor mistakes
They also extended the AI's ability to take up to 2 minutes of a song as reference so newly generated parts are more consistent with the rest of the track
I think I saw someone in a stream a few days back get it to spit out the stems of a song too, but I'm not sure
You hit the key point, which a lot seem to miss - that being; this is improving so rapidly. In a couple of years (Much shorter probably) not only will the imperfections be sorted, but the quality will be far beyond what a human can do. This applies to EVERYTHING. We need to be asking ourselves some serious questions...
Or, as with all neuro networks so far, it will hit a point of diminishing returns, and we will learn to see through the "fakeness" of AI music.
@@eyvindjr I love the optimism, but don't share your vision (unfortunately). The progress so far, since the "Attention" paper in 2017, and other landmarks is so astonishing, that nothing like it in human history even comes close.
I agree. My serious question are: why are we doing this? Why are we allowing our art and very soul to be replaced by a cheap piece of software?
Unfortunately I know the answer as well… very sad
@@tutubeos this is certainly the most interesting thing to teach AI - how many people would watch videos of an AI generating text documents or providing customer service? The music and art came first because of the novelty factor. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll be what AI is most prominently used for, it's just flashy
AI is just a tool working for us. We should just accept the benefits we are getting from it. We just got the computer we don't even need to control.
The day that music died... It used to be known as Feb. 3, 1959, when Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson were killed in a plane crash. But now we can see that it actually happened on March 21, 2024, with the stable release of Suno v3.
Damn bro.
If people boycott AI music (just as they should be boycotting all the new AI TH-cam channels) there will be no customers.
People can choose to support human musicians. In fact, this could make it better for me because only musicians who are capable of performing to live audiences will be able to work.
@@StratMatt777 This technology is just a few months old. Give it a year or two and all top list music will be AI generated to some extent just like it's all autotuned today. It will be all over radio and so on and impossible to boycott. It's garbage anyway so who cares?
@@StratMatt777 What you are talking about is charity. "Give money to human artists because they are human". Why are human artists entitled to my money? They're not. Produce something of value and you will receive compensation.
@@mikehawk6918 What you typed is a textbook example of a strawman logical fallacy. I never said that people are entitled to your money if they did not provide something of value to you.
In fact you invented and manufactured a quote IN QUOTES that I NEVER SAID.
Have you considered writing fiction?
you'd be really good at inventing stories that don't exist.
Have a great weekend.
I tried to film a similart video 2 days ago but I had to stop mid shooting because I could feel like panic settling in. Not only this is terrifying but also f*cking unfair towards hard working musicians. I firmly believe it won't replace art, but making a living out of this will be... so much more difficult. As if it's not difficult enough already.
It will remove the one finger Freddy's. Anyone who has gone to the effort of actually learning music in university won't be scared of a new tool because creativity
Hey man there is nothing to worry about, if it does take off just know that the idea of music created by a human will be a major selling point. Also if you have a loyal fanbase you'll be straight. People more so connect to the person behind the music, AI music over time will lose is lustre
@@rootbeermcgee Thanks a lot!
@@citizenworld8094 Yeah. No. Practiced musicians will be able to play live performances, sure...but that market is already HEAVILY saturated. There's only so many venues. It would have to be in person. Otherwise...online...obviously AI could just be used to make an avatar play music while streaming.
Idk how you think going to school to learn to play an instrument is going to do much to preserve your career. These people will have AN avenue to make SOME money...but the amount of money being offered for these kinds of things will also be SEVERELY diminished. It's *remarkably* naive to think otherwise, if not outright denial of the reality that is coming upon us
@@citizenworld8094 youre deluded....who will you be making the music for? and why would anyone pay YOU when now ANYONE can make music for any purpose? Your degree is usless my friend. accept it now
Great video, Alice. 🔥🔥
the voice on the Death Metal tracks are INSANE, crispy clean
Hopefully the DAW's will soon integrate some new tools based on this kind of algo, and therefore all music producers and composers will have more space and time to explore many more aspects of what 'writing music' can be, and which AI can still not touch. Anyway thx for sharing this!
👆
I don’t know how I feel about this yet, but your video about what’s happening is top notch!
I'm making music to listen to myself on udio and I think the sound quality issue is already "solved", but simply set to not the highest possible values due to processing needs. Udio recently has introduced a sound quality slider that goes lower (faster calculation but obvious artefacts and the like) and also one above the previous sound quality - the new "Ultra"-Setting sounds really good. Hihats now sound like hihats. And when you make the machine drop a bass... Woooow. :D
Now Udio want their tool to be more tailored towards actual music producers when it's finished beta. You now can already upload your own music and use it instead of a generated seed for a new track and that works quite well. And as I understood them the option for Midi files is also a thing they're thinking about.
Now look at the graphics AIs - Photoshop now has some AI tools built right in. And I do think that we'll end up on that level with the music AIs - in other words AI VSTs you can plug into your DAW and work with them.
Given what Suno and Udio can do already I guess that one thing you'll be able to do is have a track played by any instrument ever. Also there might be things possible like "Okay, I don't like that bass line I wrote, it's too lame - can you replace it by something much funky-er?" - sure, the "Write me a complete piece of music" - option now is there and won't go away again, but from the reactions I got from people I know I can guarantee you there's quite an amount who will make certain only to listen to Human-Made-Music now they know AI music of that quality is a thing.
I can see how real artists will have zero chance of being heard, because their songs will be one in millions. Right now, little guys like me have almost no chance of even getting their songs to be played by someone. Soon, that chance will get so ridiculously low that it can be defined as zero. We're all pre-AI age producers, and we have learned our skills through hard work, minds full of dreams and whatever. But what will be the motivation of future producers to learn from scratch and devote their lives to producing music? To be honest, I don't even have motivation for music anymore.
Some say we will keep making music for fun, but making music is not fun. It's hard work. The fun comes from knowing that people will value our hard work.
The fun comes from knowing that people will value our hard work.
No, not at all. There is where u are wrong in my opinion. U don´t need to give a shit about others. Off course it´s really cool to hear good feedback, but you are making music for your self and bcause it´s fun. If it´s not fun, u better quit. Because nothing in the world u would finish, if you don´t think it´s fun. U never had that moment while producing, that you came into `The Flow`? That everything is going really fine and smooth, you make a lot of progress and come with good idea´s. Nothing can go wrong. For me, that´s the most fun part while producing. If I´am done with the main idea or composition, than I begin to hate my life.
Yes, it´s a lot of work and yes I hate technical shit, like mastering (not needed so much if you learn to make your tracks `loud`) or just send it to a master engineer.
It´s the same with dj´s that playing shitty music, just to follow a trend. If you play the music you like, you can always keep playing that while getting a carreer out of it.
don´t get me wrong, again, it´s really nice if people value your hard work. It´s the cherry on the pie. But if you don´t have fun with producing, than I don´t know what to say. Being creative while working on a track and hear the end result, is more value for me. You created it, not AI, not the neighbour, you. No matter how good or bad it is, you are creating things and you will getting better doing it (while having fun)
The hard work is the good part. You made something, learned the craft and that’s an achievement, be prod of it even if you are the only one who will hear the end result. I make art for myself, just started learning the piano and FL because I want to create music for myself. I think I will never publish it, maybe in my game if I live long enough to see it through.
@@naniyotaka I used to feel that way as well. But I've been making music for a long time, I already know what I can do, and I don't get much long term enjoyment from that, only short term. I feel proud about the things I make, but I also need to live and to be careful about what I devote my time to. I remember one day someone said to me: "You make music? That's cool! Can you make one now so I can see?". I said to that person that 5 minutes would not be enough, I would need a bit more, like one or two weeks more. The person looked at me like if I was retarded, like if it 5 minutes should be more than enough to press some buttons and let the computer invent the music. I heard lots of things like that through my life, so I began to understand that people really don't understand and don't care.
@@rachidow2125 In the past, I felt a lot of fun. I've been more than 20 years creating music just for me. However, I don't feel that accomplishment feeling anymore, of seeing a new song arise from nothing. For me, it's just one more, even if I feel it's the best I ever made. The hard part is that people never hear what you do, and they always think you're just a beginner, just because you're not composing for famous people. After so much time, after hundreds of songs and half songs made, I can't feel enough motivation and energy to put into hearing the same sound for 2 weeks (sometimes even 2 months), just for my enjoyment, because on the second week I can't even stand hearing that sound anymore, although I still like it somehow.
I found it beautiful to see you laughing and having fun while listening to the songs :). This having said, I think that the instant gratification everyone gets for "creating" something by "themselves" with just a few clicks is the real thread.
places it's likely to have the biggest impact, IMO, are some more mundane places for music - commercial jingles, TV episode background tracks, video game music, low-budget movie scores ... I don't expect people to stop loving their favorite IRL music stars. But the studio folk who were used to making a living in less glamorous jobs? It's time for them to worry right now.
Можно ссылку на этот генератор музыки?
На 10 минуте который.
Yeah! I'm scared too! I frown upon people who use AI in their production, asif they're not talented enough to do their own thing, cause every time a little bit of control is taken away from the producer, it becomes a little bit more soulless and less authentic.
I refuse it, and I will continue to produce music my own human way. I imagine the AI has a lot of potential but will it ever master things as perfectionistic mix and mastering, melodies you haven't heard before, lyrics that can resonate with in a very deep level. We should for oncd trust our human brain and outdo the machines!
What is "the human way"? I guess you don't use computers, DAWs or any kind of recording device or even pen and paper. You only improvise lyrics on the spot and sing a capella without any instruments?
I understand you but tbh i would not have a problem having ai assist me in some way. I actually tried suno out to see if it can create just something like a guitar melody in a specific key that I then could use in a track. But nope. Still throws out another hyper generic song that is not even worth sampling. But an ai tool that could create interesting loops, melody fragments etc could be nice, but unfortunately not in the mindset of any of those ai companies. For them it is all about throwing more content out to the masses...
ANY dumbshit can make "music" on a computer, and AI just reinforces the lazy factor about creating. AI is already effing with graphic art (paint, pencil, etc.) online, but it IS easy to tell between human-created art (which will always be the best), and cold, soul-less "art". At least human-created graphic art has a warmth, depth, and personality that AI will NEVER be able to touch. AI music? That's a blurred line, as far as being able to distinguish, despite this well thought out video. I see a time when "the herd" just gobbles up AI everything, since that is the path of least resistance. Me, as a person...I don't want "perfect" art. I want art that lives and breathes...not AI bulls**t.
AI as a tool to be crafted into a song via an actual human using ears is not a lack of talent. You sound like a guy who says only film is real photography or that the horse & buggy is the only real way to travel.
@CHMgamemedic777 , So, you say you produce music? There were times when music was composed. Honestly, I don't care if "producers" like this AI idea or not. What matters most is how listeners perceive and enjoy the music. Sure, some people might have reservations about AI-generated music. There are concerns about authenticity, creativity, and the potential impact on human musicians and composers. However, AI-generated music also has its merits. It can provide new avenues for creative expression, offer tools for artists to explore innovative sounds, and even assist in the creative process. Ultimately, whether AI-generated music is embraced or rejected will largely depend on listeners' preferences and how effectively it resonates with them. If the music is enjoyable, meaningful, or thought-provoking to listeners, then it has fulfilled its purpose regardless of how it was created.
So basically, if you're not already a known top producer/dj, at most it seems you can be a local producer/dj in the underground scene, and hope to make enough money from gigs to survive. Yay to the automatization of everything.
if only we realized that musicians should get a wage
Only if you are lucky and know the right people, many are not going anywhere much where I live most nightclubs are doing badly, we have a dozen good underground parties in a year so not much of a living for artists.
My guess: All 4 are AI created. The only thing I am unsure about is track 3, which any human can have made.
I heard about suno before and your video made me curious, especially because you showed us that you can enter your own lyrics (German worked surprisingly well). I had a lot of fun several evenings to try out different styles of music with more or less the same lyrics (heavy metal, hyper trance, classical ballad/tenor). The 10 free song fragments were used up every day. Now I got some ideas and would like to make a song with a DAW ... but unfortunatly I don't have the skills ...
I have started to do this seriously only 2 years ago (producing that is, I'm a a bit older) and I always knew I could somehow end up making it in the industry at least to live on it with my music and Record Label I started this year but now I ain't sure no more, it's a scare Alice and thank you for waking us all up.
BUT I still think that people will want to hear music made by us even though AI can do it already exponentially faster than we can.
We still have that human touch and feel that can still felt through a proper track I think. AI will always imitate us at best. We are still the originals. That's how I see it.
Good luck to you my friend.
nice AI avatar bro :)
I am afraid that AI will become the new ghost producer
@@Petran892 it will become a partner. As a new producer, I struggle so much finding a partner for vocals and lyrics ... Now with AI that pain is gone, and it expands other musical horizons for me. ( gonna post a short right now demoing this btw )
I’m not sure that the vast majority of people will bother if music is human or AI generated. That’s the problem. If the quality of AI generated music is “high”, people will listen to it without even knowing how it’s made. People already don’t care if music is made with a tape recorder or a computer or whatever AI mastering tool or human engineer., they won’t care if it’s AI generated if the end result is indistinguishable from human music. People are already following (I would say “idolizing”) AI influencers, most of them can’t even tell that those babes are not human… and they don’t even care… furthermore, human music is getting dumber and dumber, listeners are getting dumber and dumber as a consequence… it’s really really sad
►We still have that human touch and feel◄
Unfortunately, AI can and WILL learn how to reproduce EVEN the most subtle imperfections... which is, in some sense, part of what we call our "soul, touch" on music, paint and so on.
But if there is one possible good side to all of it, is that maybe we will start to give even more value to live performances, either electronic or acoustic.
people said the same thing when ai generated art came out, but until today it still seems too artificial and i still prefer the human part. same thing with music, i rest my case.
For now… until it improves further..
I also think, and another one is very easy to identify an AI image, maybe these songs generated by AI happen, in the beginning it can even have a hype from the listeners, but then it can become boring
Its is not the problem of discerning ai from human. It is the problem of the market, liberalism has our end and we will pick up patatoes to survive and not be hoemeless.
Beung in the aart industry for over 20 years I can tell you A.I. art is dominating art creation from prints, games, stock photos, movie posters and especially T-Shirts. Pretty sure you didn't even know you are looking at A.I. art. It is so all encompassing and everywhere you didn't even notice that it took over. Music is the same. You won't know you are hearing A.I. originated music. It will be everywhere. I rest my case.
Crazy! I enjoyed your reactions the most.
The good part is that one can make a fuller experience uaing video, social reach, audio, all with a common integrity from a single person.
Will require us to adjust.
I’ve been producing for 15 years, and I studied AI. Some partners of mind are telling me that music will be easy to create, but the reality is the essence and the art behind a track. You can think the same with the painting. Now people can create anything, but you learn that what you value the most is the things behind that idea. Prompts are useful for ideas or testing. But the reality is what makes us humans are impossible to be clone by AI.
Use AI, tested, create new sound and new things but be confident in your abilities.
Everyone can create music or learn to use a daw or a prompt, but they are capable of crafting something unique especial and fulfill of their essence and energy?
Are you sure that the vast majority of people, which are listening to dumber and dumber music, will be intellectually equipped to appreciate human art?
I’m thinking about those millions of people already following AI influencers, millions calling “concerts” an empty stage with just a “singer” (mostly in playback or heavily dubbed), with pre-recorded music… millions of “artists “ releasing music produced with samples, digital tools, zero music knowledge…
I’m afraid our path is pointing to a clear and very sad direction.
I just see it as I am the director or producer, and instead of hiring an actor, painter or band to create my ideas, I just direct the AI instead. Still requires a lot of work and vision.
It hurts to read the comments. There are good intentions but a lot of incoherence. Socially, we are not mentally or emotionally ready to rationally understand the many changes to come.
Really many humans out there were not ready for the internet, many out there still can't use it in an adult and intelligent way,technology has evolved faster than many societies and their humans, which is not good.
Hey Alice, thank you so much for your work. I've been following you for years and can only appreciate all the knowledge you've been spreading and important topics that you bring to the channel. Keep rocking!
I watched this video in the morning, read a good part of the comments section and many thoughts came to my mind throughout the day. Now I think I can finally structure them. Super long text alert.
First of all, as a music producer I am also concerned with almost everything that was mentioned in the video by Alice and here in the comments. AI is impressive, but at the same time weird and scary. But do you remember what else people were also very scared of? The internet.
In the early years of the internet, a lot of people were very afraid that it would damage humanity forever. People were concerned about data privacy, security, inappropriate content accessed by kids, social isolation and technology addiction. Did all of that happen? Hell yes - it did. All of those things happened with the invention of the internet, but what else did it bring to society?
We made education and knowledge accessible to people who don't have the money to pay for an expensive course, books, or whatever it takes to learn something. We are only here having this discussion because the internet exists and allowed Alice to create and upload this video for us to watch it. Or would Alice send letters with the tutorials by post and written by hand to all of the subscribers? Probably not.
We increased by a million times the awareness of social issues, environment tragedies and made donations possible through a click. We have connected countries, continents and today it's possible to talk and exchange with a person that is on the other side of the world. We have created new jobs - content creators, software engineers, web designers, etc. We have made other jobs much easier (oh my God if you think your email inbox is messy, imagine handling thousands of papers and having to look for an old one when you need it). I could go on and on here and talk about the infinite benefits that the internet brought to human society, even though it also had its negative impacts. I don't believe it will be different with AI. It can cause harm, but I also believe it will bring many positive outcomes, maybe things we don't even imagine or can predict right now, because we actually have no idea how far, complex and deep this technology will go.
Now talking about art and music - yes, what Alice showed us in the video is striking and crazy. It's science fiction stuff and it's reality. I understand the threat music producers feel when watching and listening to these results and the fear that art will deteriorate or decline. At the same time, I think AI can have a very positive impact on art in general. Because of how "easy" and quick it will be to create something that sounds decent with just a few words typed into a prompt, I believe this can raise the creativity bar, since artists will be forced to be more audacious, do something different, and explore even deeper their own feelings, thoughts and ideas. AI will for sure massify music even more and I think this can actually lead real human artists to be even more authentic, original and genuine.
AI is based on prompts. It needs inputs to create and needs to "copy" something that is already published. You know what it can't have? All of the experiences you have lived in your life. That relationship or friendship that had an impact in your personality and inspired you to write a song. Your own visions and feelings that no one else has, because each human being is unique and distinctive. It looks like people are the same, but they're not. It just takes a bit of time and a few conversations to realize a person is one of a kind and that's why we love artists, because they are themselves. Regarding the "fake artists" topic that AI can create - don't forget that we as listeners, fans, "art consumers" (let's call it like that) also connect with the artists as people. And I'm not talking about checking their social media and knowing where they have been, which clothes they are wearing or other superficial things. I'm talking about connecting with their deep singular characteristics and own visions. We want to know what their story is, we want to watch their interviews, maybe read their biography, watch a movie about their life or simply watch the videos they share on social media that inspire us. AI has none of that. Fans will always look for real human artists, no matter how much AI generated art is out there.
Let's be honest. Music production has been extremely massified and standardized for many years already. A lot of songs are simple copies and reproductions of formulas that have been working and selling. I'm not talking about tracks that have been influenced or have similar characteristics from other tracks. Of course, every artist influences themselves by other artists. Artists "steal" inputs to be recreated in their art ("matter is not created or destroyed - only rearranged"). So it's obvious that pieces of art - music, film, books, paintings - will have traces of what has influenced their creator. However, we see more and more producers that are not rearranging anything or bringing anything new to the game, and this has been happening way earlier than AI was created. I also don't blame the artists that only replicate formulas that exist. After all, artists also need to eat, pay bills and therefore need to sell. It's understandable that production goes towards what is trendy, or "hyped". However, that doesn't bring art any further, it keeps the "loop" that already exists and goes against the principles of art and especially electronic music, which was born from an experimental mindset that wants to go to the future and create something new.
Regarding what it means to be an artist - I don't think there is any rule or standards one needs to have to be considered an artist. If you had a travel machine, travelled 300 years back in time and told a cello or organ player that you are a musician, but you only use a computer to make music, they would probably call you a lunatic. The same way some DJs say that a DJ that does not play with vinyl is not a real DJ. Not even going to go into this, because I think it's simply a waste of time to discuss whether someone is an artist or not because of the tools they use. Better use that time to create art.
To conclude, AI might be the click we needed as artists to understand we have to do our own stuff. We have to follow our instincts and we should not be afraid of risking and testing our own crazy ideas. Crafting something that "sounds good" and works commercially is something artificial intelligence can already do and, as Alice said, will only improve its quality from now on.
So maybe, just maybe, this is the time for us to risk artistically more than ever, because that, my friends, is what will make us stand out in the infinite ocean of music with tons of tracks being released every single day. As long as you exist, use your unique feelings, soul and consciousness to create, art will never, ever, die.
Does any of these tools accept audio as a prompt? Like, maybe submiting a mockup of a song and have it instrumented and well produced by the a.i.
6:20 hello Female Blink 182...
7:20 trailer for a movie starring Will Smith and Vin Diesel with a lot of CGI cars, guns, and cars with guns...
8:35 Varg Vikernes gets out of prison, discovers AI on Mallorca. Reacts as expected.
yes I guessed the A.I. songs in the beginning. Recognising Muad'dib's name AND Anna Kendrick playing Poppy the Troll was a dead giveaway. So having a wide pop culture vocabulary might be some buffer against being "tricked" by A.I. as long as it tends (as it seems to in both apps) to pick *one* example from its training set that is highly correlated with each part of its text prompt [insert hyperpedantic digression about some coder getting Burzum's flavour of metal wrong].
But that has sort of been the case for ages. Everyone lifts from everyone else, as Paul Simon says, so if you listen for it you can hear, say, the Smashing Pumpkins in Nirvana, or early U2 in peak Foo Fighters, etc. etc. ad nauseam. The difference is maybe that Daft Punk sampled artists forgotten (or never known) by their audience, while A.I. will, more or less by design, tend to mimic the most widely recogniseable of its training set. Not a problem in the increasingly short-attention-span world of streaming hits the majors and platforms are pushing us to (what song gets rinsed on drive time radio for 6 weeks straight these days?).
Is the solution to "stop" producing? I.e. make fewer songs, but more unique? Let the bots make samey muzak that always has a bazillion different titles and midjourney album art but is instantly recogniseable as 6000 flavours of "Bad Guy" with a Skrillex vocal sample? "We believe it is closer to the year 2199, Neo, and every song is now Levels".
Govnovoz. Yr welcome.
Hehe totally
My own feeling is that it may become “the thing” for a while, and we will end up with a lot of guff, but ultimately there will be a backlash against it, and ‘real’ producers will be valued. It may mean taking on a larger in-person presence, but the audience likes the interpersonal connection. Try not to despair too much.
Didn't you hear her. The industry will use this. Now all they will do if they want live music they'll pay people only to sing. No writers, no musicians, no producers. Sorry
Adapt or learn to use it.
Agreed. Even with these tools a skilled producer will still make a much better song than a random person. I think amazing songs will be made by using this as a way to prompt ideas. But copy pasting it sounds so generic. Artists need to step outside of the boxes AI is perfect at replicating.
@@AIsymphony-lo6de On top of that, with AI voice emulators now those people dont even have to be well trained. Just apply that filter to the mic, and have a random dance that knows the words and suddenly you got a human counterpart to the AI Music
On Top of that, this will basically kill streaming for mid to small sized artists. Labels will just flood spotify with AI music in order to capture more of the shared pool revenue. Since no human can keep up with the output of an AI, AI music will dilute the pool of payouts just due to sheer volume alone. So the averages artists payout is gonna drop massively, so now people who could make a decent living by streaming, will essentially be forced out of the game or forced to tour nonstop.
@marcusplenty1153. 👍 great point
The experience of live music, is going to be a spiritual transformation for many. They will start to feel what means " feeling the waves of musical creativity", a nurturing process, a unique moment where eternity and present time encounter. This is what I feel when I play live music, improvisation thru inspirational moods. To offer a unique piece of immortality.
The one joy of being a nobody in the music industry is that I won’t lose out to AI, because only a few hundred people heard of my music and probably only half of them listen to it; but those that listen, do so because they really like what I do and because I am nobody my music has never been used to train AI. I feel very sorry for all those who are successful, whose careers may crash and burn.
I kinda agree on your take on this topic, but I believe that ultimatly the A.I. music on demand will not stand the test of time, and this is just our times trend in music industry.
Heres why - All through music history we have seen different trends changing the music scene the way we see it. We have gone through different music like the 80's glam rock with blazing guitar solos, and then suddenly it dissapeared in the early 90's when Nirvana brought grunge to the scene. Record labels first didn't want to sign them because they weren't playing "the right music", but when they saw people really liking it and the grunge scene started to blow up and have a following, then they signed grunge band after grunde band, and the music scene was now changed. But it wasn't the record labels that first took a shot at grunge music, it wasn't until they saw how big impact this new music had on people that they belived they could sell this new music.
The record labels always think they know what they are doing, but time and time again it shows that when someone by themself is doing something new and starts getting peoples recognition, then the record labels will follow.
Lokk at David Guetta - who would have thought in the 90's that underground DJ's and producers would sell out big arenas and festival shows and top the charts like they do today, and what greater example than David? When he produced "I got a feeling" for the black eyed peas, he brought a fresh sound to the mainstream, but it wasn't like electronic music was new, right? It had existed underground for many years, and it wasn't until David produced an EDM style track for a then allready well known band, introducing the genre to a whole new audience who got turned on by something new, that people really started getting their eyes up for this kind of music. The song blew up, and opened alot of doors for David, and the EDM music scene as well, as record labels really saw that this "new sound" was selling. If you had asked the record labels a couple of yeas prior to that to make an EDM style song, they probably wouldn't have, because it wasn't "the right music".
And what about Adele, and Ed Sheeran, they were absolutely killing it when they were at the top of their game! And I believe they did so because they stood out in song writing and producing by using organic instruments most of the time, compared to this new EDM music who by then was topping the charts.
Do you see where I'm going with this? A.I. makes great music by now, for sure, but they don't make anything new. They just have a formula of what has worked in the past, and makes a song in a soup mix of what has allready been done before. And if A.I. should top the charts for a while, what about when all music starts sounding the same, and someon independent starts making a fresh new sound? People will follow it, and when people starts following, so will the record labels and music industry.
Most likely the A.I will be used as a music tool with time, rather than taking over an entire industry. Look at autotune - yes alot is using it, but then also the music industry isn't built around the autotune, is it? I bet they belived it would be so when it came on the marked, but it ultimatly just became a tool. And I believe A.I. will be a tool with time as well.
And then A.I. is quickly trained on this new emerging style/trend and once again the market gets flooded? I too am still processing what this all means for human creative output.
@@stevensmith1788 Yes, they wil try, but the consumers will support the artist who innvented the new thing, I believe. And what about concerts? Are we going to a computer concert? I don't think that will happen
@@CayneCarva no I suspect AI generated songs sang and fronted by a photogenic/sexy young singer, job done?
@@stevensmith1788 they allready do that, still - there are lot of artist, producers, and DJ's putting in the work and making it happen for themself. I believe in artists and their craft and ability to be uniqe and creative, rather than A.I. dominating the industry.
@@stevensmith1788 plus - the song's artists make is bigger than the genre itself. A.I. cant make new creative songs, but the brain can.
Great topic Alice...NOW Stop!! nobody move !! Don't sell your studio on Ebay for a 10th of what you invested. It's a smokescreen meant to get us to train their @$@$$% models. Sure check em out have fun, take em for a spin...but don't be too KrEaTiVe with them. Asking for something like Beethovens 9th Symphony in the style of Deth , Sludge , Math , Polka, Metal, with Drake's voice raised and pitched in Autotune every 3 words, sung in Medieval Japanese will not be a big hit on Earth, on the distant planet Zaxlon it will be. Ok my friends heres what may be going down..the "Evil" brains making these programs are looking for the BIG payoff to sell or license to companies like..hmm let's say Apple . A soon to be coming example of what I propose, Apple puts AI into all their Flagship programs and creates a Logic Pro, Top Tier Level Subscription. The subscriber is allowed to create loops and songs, BUT the finished work has Apples newly created Digital Rights Management embedded protection .The AI "Prompt" Artist has the same deal with Itunes, only its now categorized as AI offerings. Apple is about making money and could care less how. Sooo... The AI Beast is free and will not be caged .Tame the beast and learn all the AI tools completely and incorporate them into your workflow. You pros reading this, show your clients why YOU are the best Prompt Artist around. For the amateurs, get to experience the magic of typing into existence something you only dreamed of hearing. Well thats my multiple takes on this remarkable subject. Every new creative breakthrough in history has been seen as negative and positive. For all creatives out there.. the sign in Mandarin for crisis is also opportunity. AI may dance on our creative producer graves or we Whoman Beeings will dance on AI's grave...one teensey weensy problem, AI Aint gotz know Bonz to stomps On.! That makes the score AI 0 Humans 1 Yeeeessss we are winning!!! Oh by they way this Text was created by Crap DPT 13.5 and a half.....nahhhh Im only Kidding Im real flush und bloood.. Keep KREEaToN... fellow ARteests
I pity the fools on these internets who have not read your masterpiece. *chef's kiss* and so true and spot on. Too real with Apple and Spotify jumping on this low-key casually in their terms and either buying Suno / Udio or easily engineering their models on the literal world's entire collection of music. It's crazy I've been writing a screenplay on this very topic this past year, a satire murder mystery where the greedy music streaming service picks off the artists one by one replacing them with AI musicians. And now this is happening and I'm like yooooooo wtf how am I finna produce this in time before it literally happens. Lol Big Yikes. "We Were The Wooorld, We Were The Childrennn" is the title @artists4earth199 and @Alice-efe look out for it but odds are some AI company is scraping our data on this thread and will beat me to it. Gotta educate people tho and smile through our AI-Generated Tears! Cheers!
way interesting angles here…
Yeah this is crazy, even as a producer myself it is interesting. I'm not worried mysteriously, but this is crazy
this is scary and sad about the future of the music but this in a small part imo already happen when spotify blow internet yeah there you can find everysong etc but as a user i found out that usually you listen to a song and go over to another one without going on the artist profile and dive deep in the other production, and was really different before spotify when there was just SoundCloud and usually you were more courious about what the other music maybe can made an artist when you listen to a song so as you said in the video the music on demand right now we are not there on saying to an AI the specific genre or mood or lyrics but in a gym for example you go on a playlist and just listen to music without knowing the artist or as is said before looking for the other track he/she made so unfortunately this is a topic that will simply develop on this "music on demand" because we are not more interested on a particular artist but just listen randomly music and as a producer this make really depress hope this make sense
If we separate money from the equation, the pleasure is on the making the music. The creation itself, creativity, transferring the emotions, struggle and getting the result.
For the listeners on the other hand, its not a big difference. AI and human made music will be blend on platforms and no one will be sure which is which.
So, no problem.
This trend will increase, to the point that artists no longer in demand by "industry" as before.
Many producers especially those who are going after money and fame in this "business" will chose another profession.
There maybe be some people put front, some "stars" to entertain listeners on shows and performances singing on top of the AI music at the stage.
People will rush to these tools to create their kind of promptic music via AI's help.
Soon platforms overfill with these tracks, people will be rejoiced over the new freedom.
It will eventually depress people due to mostly interacting something created by machines.
Then quest for a change may be start.
SUNO creates very catchy melodies, but if you use it for a long time, you begin to notice the same melodic moves. UDIO has much more varied melodies and more complex arrangements and harmonies. In UDIO it is more difficult to create a good long composition than in SUNO, but as a result it turns out better and more interesting. Plus in UDIO, of course, the quality of sound and, especially, vocals is much higher.
I have already created several actually decent songs in various styles in SUNO and UDIO using my own lyrics. Here are some examples:
SUNO:
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UDIO:
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Would it be possible to correct by hand or export to DAW?
suno sucks for me. it doesn't understand prompts very well. udio is amazing, it understood what I wrote fairly well and gave me what I wanted.
Totally, like ChatGPT, it writes better than me but is generic as F
If you know these styles and music out there, you know which author / musician they ripped off. They are just recycling tunes that are out there and put different lyrics on top.
A thing that keeps me optimistic ist the communication to AI and the fact that people like to follow people. The problem is explaining something you want as an outcome will be much harder than actually produce it in sum in the daw. You can tell to change it and it may sounds okay, but there is and i think there will be a huge gap between the control that a producer has and the AI ones. Implementing AI in the DAW may be the scariest thing that could change alot. But People will like to keep hearing their favourite Artist. And thats simply becouse there is a real person behind it, its just like social media influence.
AI draws a line between what it means to 'make' music and what it means to 'listen' to music.
Making music will always be a need for humans who have to evacuate what comes from inside of them, whether you earn a living from it or not. AI in this sense will never be like us.
Listening to music on the other hand is definitely going for a strange ride, and will effect the industry side no doubt about it.
But that is why I think the performance side is going to gain momentum as this is the perfect blending of the music making by the artists, and the listening of the audiences.
I'm sure people are going to be looking for more live connection with music in the future... And create a real boundary with AI.
I’m not afraid at all. I spent the last 10 years learning to reverse engineer the in the box producers but with a DAWless setup. I see AI music as a catalyst for adding value to the DAWless scene as it’s now a way to PROVE authenticity easily. I also see this creating a push for more DAWless artists to push past 4-8 bar loops and more in song mode sequencer structure territory.
what is your dawless setup?
@@joao3547 Squarp hapax as a sequencer brain, Roland mx1 for mixing, tr8s for drums, 7 various desktop synth modules and 9 guitar pedals, recorded by a 1010 blackbox. All cable managed like a guitar pedalboard in gators tsa 88 key piano case. I’ve been applying Alice’s bottom up arrangement method on the Hapax recently.
@@_B.C_it sounds like a nice set-up!
Do you have any video of you performing?
It would be nice to see you 😊
@@allehooop not under this identity, sorry.
One of the perks of making music is the appreciation of your fans. Yes, making music itself is a big part of the joy but let's be honest, we love to get the compliments and to see others dance to your sounds. If your music won't be played or danced to because AI tracks are considered better, that would be quite the horror. As much as I love to dive in my studio and create some tracks on my own, having other people listen to them and appreciate them (and stream them ;)) is the actual icing on the cake as well as the bread and butter we've been earning. I share your concern! But I am also very curious to what's next. Such a ambiguous sentiment.
Problem is people can use ai and just record it themselves and say they made it
not to mention that now anyone can make music. people, regardless of whether they make good or bad music, want to exist in this world so hard and want mean something so much that they create music for free anyway, so what's the difference? this market is broken anyway
yeah guessed right.. it's a tough thing to think about. On one hand it's a new tool and that's how we've always evolved, with new tools.. On the other hand, at least a small part of why I produce music is because not everyone can do it *could* - I went from being a dj to being a producer because I wanted my sets to be more unique / special and have something that no one's heard before. Dj'ing got killed for me when CDj's became the standard away from turn tables, the skill required was gone, and that made it less fun, less challenging and less special..
It's true that even using daw requires skill, not just a monkey pressing the "create" button. And if you play a real instrument, like a e-guitar, you're instantly better than 90% of hiphop producers and can make good money at it. Now AI will devalue all of that.
I haven't touched my daw since V3 came . I'm impatiently waiting for more control over the outputs. The ability to upload your own song reference and chord information. It should be awesome for producers going forward. All you need now is a small bit of technical skill and an imagination.
yea exactly the DAW integration will be fire. And more precise control over the output
@@michaelsimpson9175 software companies that make DAW's better be paying attention and working night and day to integrate this technology. DAWs that Don't will become obsolete. I think going forward there won't be many musicians or singers actually recording music. The only thing they'll be able to make money at is playing live.
in a DAW you got infinite control.
Other AI music tools are more DAW-like and offer more control. Check out AIVA, for example, which generates stems (separate tracks for each instrument) and has an edit mode that allows you to drag notes up and down on a DAW-like piano-roll interface to adjust the melodies, etc.
Producers? Why would producers be needed anymore? To do what?
I guessed right :)
You can tell because, a parte the small audio glitches, there is no originality in AI composition. There’s no unique sound design. It learned to reproduce a musical vibe and tracks that are already there, in large amounts needed for training. Maybe It’s gonna change the mainstream industry but the underground, more experimental one is maybe going to benefit from AI?
give it a few months.... :)
How do you think people learn? You truly think we create completely original music? Every "original" piece is just a modification of what we heard before because every creation is based on past knowledge
@@dennisg967 This is objectively not even remotely the same thing as a machine learning algorithm that can scoop up every single song that has ever existed on a platform and use that resource to effectively utilize the sum of an actual database to inform decisions
you are quite literally saying "HUMANS LEARN BY LEARNING THINGS, AND SO DO COMPUTERS, SO WE ARE THE SAME AS COMPUTERS"
every single aspect of technology that ISN'T AI is PROVABLY opposed to what you just said. And that's WITHOUT ai LMFAO
why do you actually choose to be this fucking stupid?
@@dennisg967 people learn in a very different way compared to ML models :) VERY different - I do data science for a living. E.g. do you need to see a bottle 1000 times in different variants to know what is a bottle?
Also while I agree that new music is rooted into old music I think human brains have a unique way of extending the known into the unknown. If you train a neural network with a bunch of songs from slavery times do you think the network will come up with jazz and blues?I bet it will come up with more variations of slavery songs.
people said the same with midjourney, then everybody starts using it :)
It makes sense why so many artists are selling their masters. Marketing will simply cut out the human producers when someone can create an ad beat while having lunch. Even worse, this will be the new karaoke at home parties....scary
Awesome content as always
I think AI music really shines where music needs to fulfill a certain role or certain expectations, e.g. in ads, film, games, background music in a gym, coffee house, basically anything where music itself isn’t the main focus.
But when it comes to performing or even only listening to music for the sake of enjoying music, it‘ll quickly just sound the same to anyone. Or at least afaik, AI usually can’t really break out of it‘s own cliché-oriented thinking and really create something innovative just on its own.
So I guess we as musicians but also as a society need to ask ourselves more, when is music just there to be consumed like anything else and when is music there to be enjoyed
I was gonna say NOT to fear Alice, you have a loyal fanbase who will continue to follow and support you.
But then, I am 53. The days of buying vinyl, even CDs, is but a distant memory. With steaming, torrents and file sharing, do the younger generations EVER buy music any more. My youngest, a 16-year-old lad, has adopted my passion for vinyl and spends all we allow him to on it.
On further reflection, I guess my generation was just as bad, taping the radio, borrowing CDs to burn a copy, etc.
Yeah, scary shizz for real.
Aww thank you!
I think we will just embrace whatever comes and adap to it.
And become even better producers.
All the best to you and to your young lad! 😊
@@Alice-Efeyour words really give me the hope I was looking for..
@@Alice-Efe Thank you, Alice! 🤍
His tastes are EXTREMELY eclectic at present, from Hip Hop to 70s/80s rock/pop, through grunge and into RnB and soul. He hasn't really got the House/Techno/Dance bug as yet, and not for a lack of me pumping it through the house/garden/car at EVERY opportunity!
He begins at Truro College in September, my last baby finishing school and moving into the world, but he is ridiculously intelligent and diligent in his studies and doesn't stop making us proud! Now, if we could just get him to accept the 4/4 groove...... 🤗
@@Alice-Efe We will rise above this. There will always be issues with new tech. We will learn to exploit them.
My first thought was they're all A.I. So obviously something is off.
Wow. Thankyou Alice.
What is all this saying to us? It’s saying go deeper into your art deeper into authentic self. Find what truly moves you. And perhaps that is what will truly move others. We are all connected.Fascinating times. I wonder where this will take us next?
As a hobbyist music producer, I am excited to see these tools. This is a great resource of material you can use in your own music.
if they add the option to download stems it'll be a great way to get vocal samples🔥
Already tried it. The quality is not there. I feel like those AI songs are missing a lot more than just top end phasing. When you convert them to steams (with use of AI of course:) none of the steams is usable really. I wonder if it is not like our brain just fill up gaps of frequencies that are just not there. If so, it might be it will never be able to get into production level - just like you cannot upscale badly compressed mp3
Yeah, the only thing that holds this back from usability is the lack of downloadable stems, or the ability to create acapella. Its own output is fine for self-entertainment and memes but the quality is so low that I don't see an actual professional intended use for this yet. Once they come up with a solution, it will be a game changer.
Yes but this is as worse as it will ever be
I want a VSTi where I can give it a prompt for a sound and it will invent it like "Cyborg pidgeon scream choir" or "rusty bicycle percussion", that would be cool and open up for human creativity...
Was using this yesterday, unfortunately they dont have a option to download the stems for mixing purposes
Great video that raises a large number of interesting questions! When I think about this, I always go back to Christopher Small's book "Musicking" where he says that "Music is not a thing at all but an activity, something that people do. " In that sense, people will always make music and AI, at least currently, seems a fairly poor imitation of "what people do". Cheers!
To point in making music is to express yourself and having fun on the process and not to compete. So it doesnt matter
where is the fun?
@@nikodoyon7429 then its maybe not the right thing for you
@@mariusle3385 no you didnt understand , where is the fun if ai make it for you
@@nikodoyon7429 if you do music for yourself, why would u let it do it by an Ai? Doesnt make sense
@@mariusle3385 10:45
Excellent video, as usual. My takes (some of which are already articulated well in other comments):
- I'm not too worried about AI's impact on my performing, which I've been doing since the early 70s (rock, pop, jazz, blues). Each performance is different, and is a product of the musicians' moods, the crowd, and a million other contextual and experiential things.
Might AI be able to reproduce this one day? Might we be visited by aliens who can shred guitars better than we can? Might we figure out ways to leverage that if it happens, and make even better music and performances? Maybe; but can't worry about every hypothetical.
I've been hearing about the death of live music since disco. Yes, certain trends and innovations pose a challenge. Others (better DAWs, streaming sites) provide opportunities, or a combo of challenges and opportunities.
- On the songwriting side (where I'm all over the place, including house/EDM, reggaeton, rap, rock, blues...), I see AI-generated songs as just more songs. I already "compete" (not really, cause I want everyone to succeed) with millions of other songwriters online.
We humans are not AI, though. We react to experiences and emotions. I'm not the greatest songwriter or lyricist. But I come up with stuff that is likely not part of the algorithm, even if the algorithm has built-in randomness. Also, the AI is only as good as the people who program it, and the data from which it bases its output. That's a finite set, and eventually AI songs from a common dataset, using a common set of code, will sound repetitive. Again, a hundred years from now, maybe AI can do everything, but the farther out in the future you go, the more other factors change, so it's impossible to predict.
Bottom line, I'm not too worried, but I acknowledge that, like many other innovations, it will have some disruptive effect, and may cause some shifts, and possibly some expected or unforeseen positive benefits.
As a producer of electronic music, I find myself jamming on synthesizers more. And as a DJ I scratch with vinyl. You can watch me do both these things on my channel. For me, it's a way to get away from
controllers and DAWs, but also to show that my music is not produced and mixed with AI 😸
I’m sorry, but to my understanding this is absolute nonsense, because so many people who are promoting AI as the best thing since sliced bread with their scare approach tactics don't seem to have the slightest idea about REAL musicians, their abilities, craft and art.
I'm also pretty sure that ALL of the Hip Hop & R&B greats in the music business, performers as well as producers, will just laugh when they listen to what kind of rubbish AI comes up with.
Listen to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, Sting, Quincy Jones, Jacob Collier, even Max Martin, and many, many other awesome musicians and producers, and then show me any AI that is capable of coming even close to their finesse and geniuses, not to mention the classical composers.
I bet you'll fail miserably to prove to me that AI will ever beat real human creativity because everything that I've heard from or tested on AI tools such as UDIO or SUNO so far is just mediocre cliché stuff with very little ingenuity present, and pretty poor in comparison to the REAL musicians or music producers with all of their individual creativity skills and intuition of which AI lacks BIG TIME because it ain’t got no soul and never will. Its so-called musical creations are just algorithm based copies of stolen content from already existing music on the internet (singers as well as musicians).
This concerns the way the lyrics are written, the chords and their progression as well as the musical song structures and final productions. But nothing that AI comes up with is very sophisticated and far from the hit quality that really well produced human songs has.
In my eyes those music AI platforms are nothing more than way overrated copycat tools that seem to be hyped by non professional or wannabe musicians who seem to only be jumping on this bandwagon to generate clicks for their channels by pretending that real, human artists are on the losing end. This is definitely not the case, not by a long shot, and THAT IS THE GOOD NEWS! The other good news is that there is already some lawsuits happening regarding copyright and royalty infringement.
But, I admit that it still can be some fun playing around with those tools, and I also agree, that the greedy music INDUSTRY has already some wet dreams about AI created content that they can sell royalty free to their average Joe Blows.
But wait; who’s gonna tour all of that stuff in the end, AI as well??? If that would happen, I guess some musicians would go to those concerts armed with their pump guns and will clean up.
Yeah that's the thing. I find it fun to play with but don't find it replacing real music any time soon if at all
I stoped producing about 9 month ago, when there was only lalals, musicfy and maybe stable diffusion. I said goodbye to about 30 years of producing music. - Now hearing what suno, udio, or even sonauto does, it was the right decision.
have you picked up any instruments?
@@puremusicdaz I play some instruments a little, like trumpet, guitar, drums. I´ll keep on making music for sure. But for years I was producing productionmusic for publishingcompanies and made sounddesign for games. Producing this music in the traditional way will not pay my rent anymore. But I´ll find my place in the music on demand world somehow - I hope...
@@kritischinteressiert well that good they play physical instruments. I think for game that want original sound tracks. A.I only producer generic sound stuff. I invented a sub genre of punk called chip punk. Since no well know A.I can not reproduce it.
There was already more supply than demand before. The majority of musicians and authors pays more to get their music published than they make with their art. The best thing you can do is to create music no one has ever done before.
Sadly I don't think most people care about that anymore.
I am not afraid, because now DJs who plays music, that made by great artist, have much more money than original artist.
I'm not that scared. AI will always be copying the things that humans came up with before. So, in a way, this will motivate artists to come up with new things to stay relevant. I see this as a motivation to stay original.
Not really, it indeed uses real data from real musicians and producers, but it does create from what it has learned (Learning is kinda what most musicians and producers have to do as well before they can make something decent, natural prodigies excluded).
Don't get me wrong: it creates, I don't think it is creative (which is a human property)
But...
Do you think people care who or what created a tune they like? Same question again, musicians, producers etc need to be paid: creative track costs $2.99 the AI track costs $0.10. Very few people will say, let's support the humans. I HOPE I am wrong
Why do you think actors are scared to death that they or their uniqueness is being copied?
Pretty soon Elvis will sing again and most people will have no idea (or care?)
I suggest you maybe should be scared?
@@MeanderingNL dude Elvis has been singing in Vegas for years
@@superpig5000
Odd, last I heard was the ghost of Elvis being seen on Union Avenue.
Someone followed him up to the gates of Graceland and watched him walk right through.
Apparently security did not see him, they just hovered 'round his tomb.
But there's a pretty little thing, waiting for the king, down in the Jungle Room.
Don't be scared. Embrace it. I'm biased because I'm a software engineer & owner of an AI company but I love producing house. Consider the possibilities. Consider that the record labels are more scared than you are. I believe a new level of quality will emerge. The AI will create decent tracks, and you (Being a pro producer) will use the AI to help you make even better tracks than everyone else can make themselves or generate with AI. To make truly exceptional music requires the language of music production. There are more technical reasons for me thinking this which I won't get into much here. Sufficive to say you are still needed. I 100% recommend learning all the new AI tools. There are many more (Many free/open-source and super cheap) than you showed.
I think this is the only way forward.
Embrace it and become even better producer.
All the best to you!
Nope. It's simple. Generative AI abuses content without asking. It's basically the same bs move like search engines did in the past - they abused the content of the people to sell advertizing and ripp of everybody without asking ... "embrace it" is just neoliberal propaganda.
I don't want that arbitrary AI companies use any content for training purpose without asking. Unbelievable that this seems acceptable to anyone at all.
@@Alice-Efe I'd like to drop you an invite to our private beta. I'm working to add AI producer features, and I've long valued your opinions. Any feedback could make a huge difference. You're a god-tier producer compared to me. I'd try to add any producer features you say you want.
You’re talking about transitional stage using AI as a tool, but it’s already reaching the stage you can create an entire quality track from just a text prompt, this removes the need for the artist all together, labels and streaming services no longer need producers. Scary times ahead, let’s see what happens
@@1wibble230 My favorite things about house music, the things that make the tracks I love the most, 'good' are things I have yet to hear in any AI-generated song. It's dancing on the edge of order & chaos. It's not that I don't think they could do but I doubt they can without being explicitly prompted how to, and that prompting is in the language of music production for the foreseeable future.
The amount of compute required to get the 30 seconds of output udio provides is enormous, and it doesn't capture the magic I speak of in a single one of the tracks I've listened to. To train for that for multiple minutes of required audio output would probably cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and the result still probably wouldn't be as good as you'd want.
If instead someone trains a model to be a producer's assistant, there's no limit to the amount of gold one could spin from straw with it.
To everyone feeling really bummed out by that development, I recommend watching Rick Beato's interview with Ted Gioia. Not only does it highlight that AI is just the next logical step in the conveyor belt industrialization of music that has already taken place, but also shows a way out of this mess. People will eventually get bored with the sameness of generated music. There is already a demand for more human connection, be it through live performances or digital interaction between artists and listeners.
Ai's such as udio will change how we consume music forever. People will start making their own music and flooding the internet. The "professionals" will be competing with someone who's pent-up artist has just been released. Many of these newbies will just make and listen to exclusively the type music they like. Many will share, many will build a TH-cam channel, most will not make much money but they will be a collective drain on the music industry.
I see what you mean. It'll become harder and harder to find real, living artists among the deluge of AI landfill.
I gonna catch the instruments with a stem separator, edit them with samplab and another sampler, and redo the vocals with a voice synth software, and, as producer, I will be in again! The A.I. plays, and I sample and flip what the A.I. plays to be still the producer!
It’s an absolute threat for the current way of working as an artist producer. But that said, I’m hopeful. Transformational changes like this WILL disturb and disrupt, but also introduce new opportunities for the non-established producers and performers. And yes, I think it will shift the focus more and more towards real human artists cultivating real personal connections… a fan base. The quality of productions will be most ‘infected’ by these new technologies.
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What will really impress us is if an AI program can reproduce the voice and singing style of a good opera singer, including a medium-rate, full-length-of-the-note, operatic singing vibrato. Maybe showcase this in a future TH-cam video for both a male voice and a female voice.
well only problem that demand for good opera singers synths is not there. so a company is not going try to spend money recording a opera singer. zerog make voice bank that was opera singer named prima. that vocaloid 2 which kind sound some what primitive now to modern vocal synths.
My thought on that: In the near future major music labels will be selling AI music without saying a single word it was made by AI. Moreover, they will convince the audience it was made by real artists. Demand on popularity is much higher than demand on being very good at something, that way you can easily gather a lot of people that want to become popular, attach their face to the generated product and sell it. In my humble opinion it's not "IF" but "WHEN", because from financial perspective they never had such a great business model at their hands, and they won't hesitate to milk it.
I don't think that's true if they did they would have to pay the A.I company a big cut because the a I company will know any song that gets generated using their program.
@@superpig5000 You are absolutely right, that's why they can buy an emerging AI company, or simply hire people to create their own tool.
The first thing I made with Suno just blew my mind. I could tell it was partly machine generated, but it sounded really good and was leagues beyond anything I have seen AI do before. I did a track a week project in 2022 (with a mulligan a month for a total of 40) with the idea of taking the best 8 or so to make an album from them. The track the AI put out was far from perfect, but if it had been one of my 40, it would probably make the cut for the final 8.
There is going to have to be an economic reckoning as we seem to be approaching an AI singularity point where not just musicians and artists are out of jobs, but just about everyone.
My friend you like many others are missing the big picture, we are gonna become Ai robots. Once neurolink chips are put into brains at young age that will directly connect the brain to the internet and ai. We will become a sentient ai. If humans from a young age don't use any creative or critical thinking and get ai to do everything we will be those robots. Robots are not gonna destroy us.We will become the robots
Didn't think I'd ever have to pick up a torch and pitchfork and raid Lidl to not starve in my lifetime, but here we are.
@musikbrezel suno makes not only catchy but clever songs, it's all I've been listening to lately.
How the f does it Synthesize such realistic vocals and guitars?
Man is the measure of all things.
Never, I repeat, never will AI take away the work of producers who convey value and a message through their music.
Everyone else who produces content for industry, mass production, advertising, applied music is at risk.
Just as the graphic works did not take away the work of the graphic artists who created, not copied.
I have mixed feelings towards AI in general. I think if you approach it responsibly then it's ok. It can be a great tool. I lost my voice (long story) and had resigned myself to the fact that I could never write songs with lyrics again but then I discovered AI Vocals and because of this, I am back to writing songs with lyrics and I am eternally grateful for AI re-opening these doors for me. However, my issue is how people are using AI on a mass scale and basically throwing all of us "small fish" out of the water. People are using it literally to just lazily earn money or save money.
Well, one reason it's hard to tell the difference is that the majority of human-made music nowadays is so formulaic. Humans at least need to set a higher bar for AI to eventually beat us at.
Thanks for your view on AI music. AI music doesn’t sound hifi yet to me, but it’s getting close. Samples companies have more competition now too, for example for vocal and instrumental samples and phrases made by AI. The user just fills in the text and off you go with stuff for your own productions. Did you also check out the RipX AI DAW software? It’s kind like an advanced Melodyne, incredible software.
Exactly how I am feeling right now .... scared.
You already have some following and streams, what should a beginner like me to do ?
It was almost looking impossible to make a break as a new artist/producer but now the chances are going to be even more slim, especially when people are just uploading 100s (if not more) songs per day to platforms like Spotify.
Been a few weeks since you posted this, Would love to see a follow up video on how you are dealing with this at a personal, emotional/mental level?
Everyone I talked to they say you make music for yourself, not for a living. But I do want to make money with my skills too.
Omg yes. Why do you expect money from teaching kids? You should do it for the warm feeling in your heart, not for money.
Im exited about this actually... for sampling
Also imagine if yoy can add midi to it in the future and it will make it sound actually like an acoustic recording about it
Or imagine just generating acapellas
This gonna be very usegul...
People always look at AI things as How can I use it to make money?Or blah blah blah. But if you look at it as a consumer a I music is amazing , you can make songs that actually have meaning to you instead of listening to other peoples writings.