I love this content because it's really helpful for people outside of the competetive sphere to start getting into it. You should do a tier list for folder codes, that would be so crazy!
Gregar with Q Force's big oppressive power vs Falzar with it's tool box of solid gigas. It's all preference. Power or utility. I'll usually just mash buttons (gregar) but sometimes the Falzar way of playing seems pretty interesting and fun. PS; I think gregar having mostly mid gigas was planned.
I love how Competitive BN players almost ALWAYS have interest or background in both Pokemon and Card Games, haha. To be fair, the similarities are there so I get it, and especially with TCGs. BN is a card game in many ways, and there is a lot of broad overlap with ideas like "Aggro, Midrange, Control" styles when referring to folder builds and such. I think Soul hit the nail on the head by calling ColForce Landorus 😂 You don't get better at net battling in 6 unless you start to plan around the most common things and have contingencies for them, and pretty much the FIRST thing on that list for me is "how do I not get shredded to pieces by one of the most busted gigas I can expect to see in PvP" The same kind of ideas easily apply to competitive pokemon battling and pretty much every TCG, but for sure the big 3 (YGO, MtG, PTCG)
It’s also unfair that some of these chips are being ranked low solely due to pvp and ignoring how good they are outside of it, they should all be ranked on how good and versatile they are in all modes not just exclusively pvp.
Bass Anomaly and Bass should be in s+ tier on a base field undodgable 480 and 640 damage. Hubbatch could come in late and not have much benefit. Meteor knuckle is rng. Good video
I agree especially when you boost them with attack booster chips that greatly increase their damage like attack plus 30 and Navi plus 20 that can get close to 2000 or higher if you manage to get an angry or full synchro damage boost which can destroy anyone including bosses.
Idk why they didn't make Big Hook lock on to the opponent instead of having a set AoE. It's like it was there agenda to make Gregar Giga Chips unreliable lol That said, I think Bass could be bumped up to B, behind Cross Divide. It has a few faults, but it still hits 8× pretty reliably. You can think of Double Point + Bass as 2 Giga Chips. 960 dmg against players of either version on your call? You have to draw the DblPt, true, but I don't think that's much more situational than Cross Divide. I think Bass's strengths are a lot greater than that of the chips that _are_ beneath it, too. Bass is far easier to use than Delta Ray Edge and dumping all that dmg at once beats Bug Rise Sword, which is fairly redundant and not so great when you already have Cross Power Attacks with decent damage and range.
I think you make a solid case DoubleBeast! (Great name btw) Also it's pretty crazy how much better MeteorKnuckle is and that's totally due to it homing instead of BigHook's set range...
I think delta deserves B tier. It still gets 2 hits as long as they're not in the top. I'd say it's right on par with crossdivide. Can also be combo'd with a magcoil for a guaranteed 780, which is terrifying. And the icing on the cake, it's Z code, so enjoy using it on the same turn as your sanctuary.
Delta ray only gets one hit in the back middle or bottom. Double point plus bass is already 960 damage or 880 damage that in undodgable in their 3x3 area. It is above big hook though
@@meowbahhyt Not particularly fair to compare the damage of a combo of 2 chips (that leaves your opponent with +1 area) to the damage of a single chip. But there is another upside to Dray over Bass, it's sword element. Landing 2-3 swipes on Tengu can deal 1,040-1,560
Deltaray has the highest damage with all 3 hits. It depends on pve vs pvp too. The area of effect and how your opponent could counterplay it by moving where it can't hit affects the tier too. Bass hits all enemies in pve for 480 but bass anomaly or Delta ray can't.
Bluestar really likes Delta Ray, and I usually trust him on his insight. Sounds like the demerits can easily be worked around if you really want to use it, which the reward justifies the investment. That sounds like a solid B to me. Edit: In case anyone was curious, BluestarSixtyFour put Delta Ray at S tier behind Col Force. It's genuinely interesting how different people differ on the bn6 giga chips
@@scoutmasterdemi not that you should, or need to, compromise on your opinion. I think it's great there are differing stances on the same chip sets, implying theres a large enough community to foster battle network content in 2023
Some Giga Chips contradicts the playstyle that version had in general. Big Hook is the unfortunate L because it is locked to default range. Would have been B tier if it adjust based on your opponent position like the Flame Hook PA. I have no argument for that. The rest is okay. Colonel Force and Meteor Knuckle is very consistent for their placement but I do have my own take for Delta Ray Edge and Cross Divide. My personal thought is that I would put Cross Divide on bottom of A and Delta Ray in B even for Standard format. Cross Divide can't whiff unless you're extremely bad at aiming and usable at almost any range if you line up with your opponent. Hitting 500 damage in one hit could trigger rage on normal Megaman which is why I think it is bottom of A. IDK, I haven't test it myself. Delta Ray is situationally good mainly because the chances of success raised significantly when you got column locked by your opponent or being pressured. Its a Giga Chip meant to hard punish players that try to pressure you. You definitely need to have extreme patience as Gregar player to use Delta Ray Edge and less likely to whiff when you get pressured and be the one to initiate TFC instead. My definition of situationally good is like high risk, high reward. Even if it is a counterplay for Gigas, having both Bass giga chips whiff on holes, specifically when opposing players stood on them is just poor design choice because it contradicts what you see Bass did to you in Boss fight but you can't do the same. Its a big clickbait, disrespect for what Bass can do to you (even if I am not a hard fan for Bass) and I personally don't like it. The existing range is plenty for a counterplay to whiff this chip in general with Invis, Anti Navi, going outside the range by camping forward for Bass, hiding behind a column of holes for Bass Anomaly. That's just my take but it is what it is. As always, love to know the thoughts and opinions on these chips along with how they perform in PvP.
I am curious about the pathfinding of Bass Anomaly. Is there any data on it? Like, Geddon is obviously bad, but if for example there is just one or two holes, how do you determine if your enemy will be hit or not? I am pretty sure that: two rollers get launched above you and two below you, and initially they will just keep going forward. However it has some autoaiming kinda thing going on too. For example, on this situation, you get 4 hits: (M = Megaman, E = Enemy, O = Solid Square, X = Broken Square) OOOOOO OMOOEO OOOOOO But what about this? OOOOOO OMOXEO OOOOOO Or this? OOOOXO OMOXOO OXOOOE Or this? (F = Fanfare or another obstacle) OOOOFO OMOOEO OOOOFO Or even this for PVE? OOOOEO OMOOEO OOOOEO If you're holding BassAnly, how do you know where your opponent has to be in order to hit them?
Well for 1 the enemy always has to be standing in the center panels for them to be hit with both wheels. If not they will only be hit with 1. If both were standing in the middle and there is 1 hole in front then it'll still hit the enemy with both wheels I believe. But if the hole is right in front of bass then the wheels will disappear. But if there is a space in front of bass and a hole in front of the enemy it'll still hit I believe.
So I went and tested this out: First, the wheels spawn in front of Bass, then move back to where Bass is, then move up or down, then start moving forward. AFTER the first forward movement they can start homing. They will home if they detect an enemy in a direct 45 degrees diagonal to them. They will home in at the first opportunity and won't stop moving diagonally until they go offscreen. Example OOOOOE OMOOOE O>>>OE The enemy on the top row will be hit like this: OOOOO> OMOO>O O>>>OO Other squares are unnecessary. They can also only home inwards. Ex the wheels launched from the above can only home in downwards. Obstacles dont count as targets. In PvP with no holes, your enemy will get hit by all 4 hits as long as youre in the middle row. But you can also calculate where your enemy needs to be in case there are a few holes, its not very complicated. And you can always use like a 1x1 sword in any row to guarantee 4 hits.
Also that means the best strategy for a Gregar is to have col Force hands down... therefore it's going to be easy to prepare against... whereas Falzer has more options.. and BDT of course :P
bighook might have a niche use if frozen opponents werent unfrozen by the first hit, But I'm honestly glad that's the case because if hook didn't unfreeze, neither would knuckles 👀
I disagree with Bass red (Gregar) in C Tier since it’s great outside of pvp but even when you are playing pvp it’s decent when you know what you are doing, it should’ve been in B tier at least.
Bass red is a strong undodgable giga at 480. Gregar is 500-700. Colarmy is 270 without beast out. Gregar and falzar usage also depends on positioning too giving Bass an edge
The buff to Delta ray in this game is nice though. You only have to hit it twice to get some value out of it. It was so bad in bn3 from what I remember.
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If the Bug Sword was in Falzar, then it might have more value. Since it is basically a Slash cross play style without Slash cross.
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I love this content because it's really helpful for people outside of the competetive sphere to start getting into it. You should do a tier list for folder codes, that would be so crazy!
That is a GREAT idea!!
Gregar with Q Force's big oppressive power vs Falzar with it's tool box of solid gigas. It's all preference. Power or utility. I'll usually just mash buttons (gregar) but sometimes the Falzar way of playing seems pretty interesting and fun. PS; I think gregar having mostly mid gigas was planned.
Agreed on that last part especially. But I think they overshot it with Q force by orders of magnitude.
I love how Competitive BN players almost ALWAYS have interest or background in both Pokemon and Card Games, haha. To be fair, the similarities are there so I get it, and especially with TCGs. BN is a card game in many ways, and there is a lot of broad overlap with ideas like "Aggro, Midrange, Control" styles when referring to folder builds and such.
I think Soul hit the nail on the head by calling ColForce Landorus 😂
You don't get better at net battling in 6 unless you start to plan around the most common things and have contingencies for them, and pretty much the FIRST thing on that list for me is "how do I not get shredded to pieces by one of the most busted gigas I can expect to see in PvP"
The same kind of ideas easily apply to competitive pokemon battling and pretty much every TCG, but for sure the big 3 (YGO, MtG, PTCG)
It’s also unfair that some of these chips are being ranked low solely due to pvp and ignoring how good they are outside of it, they should all be ranked on how good and versatile they are in all modes not just exclusively pvp.
Loving the content Demi!!
I’ve been looking for this channel all my life and never knew
Bass Anomaly and Bass should be in s+ tier on a base field undodgable 480 and 640 damage. Hubbatch could come in late and not have much benefit. Meteor knuckle is rng. Good video
The main benefit of meteor knuckle is the panel control.
I agree especially when you boost them with attack booster chips that greatly increase their damage like attack plus 30 and Navi plus 20 that can get close to 2000 or higher if you manage to get an angry or full synchro damage boost which can destroy anyone including bosses.
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Idk why they didn't make Big Hook lock on to the opponent instead of having a set AoE. It's like it was there agenda to make Gregar Giga Chips unreliable lol
That said, I think Bass could be bumped up to B, behind Cross Divide. It has a few faults, but it still hits 8× pretty reliably. You can think of Double Point + Bass as 2 Giga Chips. 960 dmg against players of either version on your call? You have to draw the DblPt, true, but I don't think that's much more situational than Cross Divide. I think Bass's strengths are a lot greater than that of the chips that _are_ beneath it, too. Bass is far easier to use than Delta Ray Edge and dumping all that dmg at once beats Bug Rise Sword, which is fairly redundant and not so great when you already have Cross Power Attacks with decent damage and range.
I think you make a solid case DoubleBeast! (Great name btw)
Also it's pretty crazy how much better MeteorKnuckle is and that's totally due to it homing instead of BigHook's set range...
Dang I didn't realize it took this long to talk about gigas haha!
I think delta deserves B tier. It still gets 2 hits as long as they're not in the top. I'd say it's right on par with crossdivide. Can also be combo'd with a magcoil for a guaranteed 780, which is terrifying. And the icing on the cake, it's Z code, so enjoy using it on the same turn as your sanctuary.
Delta ray only gets one hit in the back middle or bottom. Double point plus bass is already 960 damage or 880 damage that in undodgable in their 3x3 area. It is above big hook though
Sometimes you can combine doublepoint, deltaray and finish with grabrevenge
@@meowbahhyt Not particularly fair to compare the damage of a combo of 2 chips (that leaves your opponent with +1 area) to the damage of a single chip. But there is another upside to Dray over Bass, it's sword element. Landing 2-3 swipes on Tengu can deal 1,040-1,560
Deltaray has the highest damage with all 3 hits. It depends on pve vs pvp too. The area of effect and how your opponent could counterplay it by moving where it can't hit affects the tier too. Bass hits all enemies in pve for 480 but bass anomaly or Delta ray can't.
@@meowbahhyt We're talking about pvp here.
Bluestar really likes Delta Ray, and I usually trust him on his insight.
Sounds like the demerits can easily be worked around if you really want to use it, which the reward justifies the investment.
That sounds like a solid B to me.
Edit: In case anyone was curious, BluestarSixtyFour put Delta Ray at S tier behind Col Force. It's genuinely interesting how different people differ on the bn6 giga chips
I think enough folks have commented about DeltaRay that it's worth making a video on : )
@@scoutmasterdemi not that you should, or need to, compromise on your opinion. I think it's great there are differing stances on the same chip sets, implying theres a large enough community to foster battle network content in 2023
It's definitely an amazing time to be a fan!
Some Giga Chips contradicts the playstyle that version had in general. Big Hook is the unfortunate L because it is locked to default range. Would have been B tier if it adjust based on your opponent position like the Flame Hook PA. I have no argument for that. The rest is okay. Colonel Force and Meteor Knuckle is very consistent for their placement but I do have my own take for Delta Ray Edge and Cross Divide.
My personal thought is that I would put Cross Divide on bottom of A and Delta Ray in B even for Standard format. Cross Divide can't whiff unless you're extremely bad at aiming and usable at almost any range if you line up with your opponent. Hitting 500 damage in one hit could trigger rage on normal Megaman which is why I think it is bottom of A. IDK, I haven't test it myself. Delta Ray is situationally good mainly because the chances of success raised significantly when you got column locked by your opponent or being pressured. Its a Giga Chip meant to hard punish players that try to pressure you. You definitely need to have extreme patience as Gregar player to use Delta Ray Edge and less likely to whiff when you get pressured and be the one to initiate TFC instead. My definition of situationally good is like high risk, high reward.
Even if it is a counterplay for Gigas, having both Bass giga chips whiff on holes, specifically when opposing players stood on them is just poor design choice because it contradicts what you see Bass did to you in Boss fight but you can't do the same. Its a big clickbait, disrespect for what Bass can do to you (even if I am not a hard fan for Bass) and I personally don't like it. The existing range is plenty for a counterplay to whiff this chip in general with Invis, Anti Navi, going outside the range by camping forward for Bass, hiding behind a column of holes for Bass Anomaly. That's just my take but it is what it is.
As always, love to know the thoughts and opinions on these chips along with how they perform in PvP.
I am curious about the pathfinding of Bass Anomaly. Is there any data on it?
Like, Geddon is obviously bad, but if for example there is just one or two holes, how do you determine if your enemy will be hit or not? I am pretty sure that: two rollers get launched above you and two below you, and initially they will just keep going forward. However it has some autoaiming kinda thing going on too.
For example, on this situation, you get 4 hits:
(M = Megaman, E = Enemy, O = Solid Square, X = Broken Square)
OOOOOO
OMOOEO
OOOOOO
But what about this?
OOOOOO
OMOXEO
OOOOOO
Or this?
OOOOXO
OMOXOO
OXOOOE
Or this? (F = Fanfare or another obstacle)
OOOOFO
OMOOEO
OOOOFO
Or even this for PVE?
OOOOEO
OMOOEO
OOOOEO
If you're holding BassAnly, how do you know where your opponent has to be in order to hit them?
Well for 1 the enemy always has to be standing in the center panels for them to be hit with both wheels. If not they will only be hit with 1. If both were standing in the middle and there is 1 hole in front then it'll still hit the enemy with both wheels I believe. But if the hole is right in front of bass then the wheels will disappear. But if there is a space in front of bass and a hole in front of the enemy it'll still hit I believe.
So I went and tested this out:
First, the wheels spawn in front of Bass, then move back to where Bass is, then move up or down, then start moving forward.
AFTER the first forward movement they can start homing. They will home if they detect an enemy in a direct 45 degrees diagonal to them. They will home in at the first opportunity and won't stop moving diagonally until they go offscreen.
Example
OOOOOE
OMOOOE
O>>>OE
The enemy on the top row will be hit like this:
OOOOO>
OMOO>O
O>>>OO
Other squares are unnecessary.
They can also only home inwards. Ex the wheels launched from the above can only home in downwards.
Obstacles dont count as targets.
In PvP with no holes, your enemy will get hit by all 4 hits as long as youre in the middle row.
But you can also calculate where your enemy needs to be in case there are a few holes, its not very complicated.
And you can always use like a 1x1 sword in any row to guarantee 4 hits.
Also that means the best strategy for a Gregar is to have col Force hands down... therefore it's going to be easy to prepare against... whereas Falzer has more options.. and BDT of course :P
bighook might have a niche use if frozen opponents werent unfrozen by the first hit, But I'm honestly glad that's the case because if hook didn't unfreeze, neither would knuckles 👀
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Yea, I like B for Delta Ray, too. Depending on the scenario, you can definitely get a powerful DRE.
Another note for Beast Out is it's not even a giga chip. It only uses up a Mega slot.
We were being silly with it, I talk about DoubleBeast as a Mega chip when we bring it up!
I disagree with Bass red (Gregar) in C Tier since it’s great outside of pvp but even when you are playing pvp it’s decent when you know what you are doing, it should’ve been in B tier at least.
Bass red is a strong undodgable giga at 480. Gregar is 500-700. Colarmy is 270 without beast out. Gregar and falzar usage also depends on positioning too giving Bass an edge
@@meowbahhytyou can boost the damage massively for Bass (Buster rake) version beyond 480 since it’s a multi hitting chip.
The buff to Delta ray in this game is nice though. You only have to hit it twice to get some value out of it. It was so bad in bn3 from what I remember.
And the timing is much more generous too! We may have been too harsh with C : )
It's sad how bottom of the barrel, with the exception of colonel(Q) force and Gregar, the Gregar gigas are.
But on the flipside, those two are the strongest in the game!
I feel like big hook would be usable if it was 300 damage.
Bass anomaly does more damage at 640 even then. A cool buff would be if it could hit opponents that use areagrab
TL:DR ColForce is the only thing keeping Gregar on the map because the crosses and beast sure aren't doing the job.
Slash cross is pretty strong. It's chip charge is basically cross divide.
Beast crosses are way better in gregar than falzar which have lesser area of effect or don't track
You might enjoy our Cross/Beast tier list coming out : )
Clearly you aren’t playing the game right if you think their crosses are bad 😆