A re-connection to historic Oakwood Cemetery Gateway is missing. There's plenty of room on the east side of the business loop to add a bike path linking Almond St. to Oakwood, one of our most important historic landscapes. This could also easily link Downtown to the Southside community. We shouldn't miss that opportunity.
Much better than the hideous, overly busy, unsafe overpass through downtown now. Overpasses seem to need new repairs every day here but it costs too much to fix them and again it's already too small and too busy to accommodate 81's traffic capacity needs so they hardly close for repairs. I have a feeling people will hate it until it's done and they realize how it repairs traffic problems.
The traffic now moves at 50 MPH or faster with no lights. Slow that down to 30 MPH and add all the stop lights and then force trucks to find a detour will only make things worse. This is all based on a lie that somehow the raised highway did damage to a low income area. Wait for all the extra pollution with that stalled traffic and then tell us how it will improve the area.
@@timoliver-grow8682 Why should truckers or anyone else be forced to drive another 10 or 15 miles because some idiot politicians want to force people to drive through Syracuse at ground level. Should Cortland and every other town also have the right to force all the traffic to drive though their city or take a long detour too. Highways in the past were designed to be efficient and provide a direct route for everyone.
@@TonyBSyr No one wants to force traffic through the city. That's why 81 will go on to 481 instead, so that people don't drive through the city to get to the north or the south of us. Anyone who doesn't take the current 481 around the city and instead decides to drive through after all this is said and done is a moron.
@@timoliver-grow8682 The only morons are the stupid political hacks that want to take a good road away from the public and force them to drive another 10 or 15 miles. Learn to read.
@@alaouiproductions No it didn;t that is a flat out lie told to you to make you feel better about losing your infrastructure. No one is oppressin anyone anywhere. This was 100% about EVs being too heavy for the viaduct, and developers wanting to build luxury apartments in that space. This will cause congestion and accidents galore. Along with the environmental impact of existing ICE exhaust as cars idle at the lights. It's complete and utter bullshit.
I understand that some people might be apprehensive about I-81 coming down and change is harder for some people more than others-- but honestly this will be a fresh breath of air for the Syracuse community. I'm not claiming to be a city planner or part of the DOT, but I have done my research on this subject and I really wish the Syracuse community would do its due diligence so they will also be informed on this matter to come to the conclusion that the community grid is the best option here, and always will be. The community grid is happening whether people like it or not. The longer that this keeps getting dragged on/getting pushed off because people don't want to except change is only hurting the Syracuse community in the long run--- I really wish that people would realize this. The sooner the back and forth comes to an end, the better. Let's hurry this thing up and get this comment period over with so we can move on and progress this city the way it needs to be! Edit: I'm not understanding all of the negative comments on the traffic circle... This is a brilliant idea!!! If I'm not mistaken, the Carrier Circle roundabout sees a heavier volume of traffic everyday and the only time its ever backed up is when 18 wheelers are waiting their turn. We shouldn't have this problem if they are made to go on the new I-81.
This should have a route number completely different from 81, or else trucks are going to ignore the rerouting of I-81 over I-481 and start driving through the city thinking they're still on 81. Look how many trucks smack into the bridge on Onondaga Lake Parkway on a regular basis because the drivers don't read the signs. Do you really think trucks from down south to Canada are going to go the other way and not go through straight through this congested mess?
1) What happens to Rams Gulch as 481 is expanded to handle more through traffic? 2) Can't see enough of the 690-81 on-off exchanges. Will there be adaptations to near-downtown on-off ramps to spread out some of the commuter traffic during rush hours? 3) How is the Destiny/Regional Market area affected by changing traffic patterns?
1. Probably nothing since no work is done there. 2. People coming south on BL81 can get off at Clinton St.; follow BL81 into intersections with Oswego Blvd., along Erie Blvd., and down Almond St.; NYSDOT doesn't think anything will happen to them, and only people coming from south of Adams St. are delayed. But the NYSDOT has this crazy idea that people go to Destiny because they intend to go there in the first place and don't just happen to be there because they somehow ended up on 81 passing that exit.
The traffic jams are going to be awful. With lights at every intersection with no means to avoid City streets, you are directing hundreds - if not thousands - of vehicles onto streets that are not designed to handle this type of traffic. Syracuse cannot currently maintain city streets now. With the added congestion, streets will deteriorate faster and there is no plan to deal with this issue. Is there any research on or statistics about the number of people who consistently use the creek walk? What studies have been done on the impact this will have on the ability of emergency services to get critical patients to hospital care? I have to think that an additional 10-15 minutes in traffic will have a negative effect. What about fire service getting to a fire in this area? With additional congestion on streets that aren't built for that kind of traffic, what will the increased difficulty be for fire engines to get through? What percentage of the population that works in this area rides a bicycle to work with regularity? What percentage uses public transportation? Will the Pearl Street on ramp be reconfigured? It's currently too narrow and too tight a turn to be a main entrance. How many roundabouts are planned? Area drivers have consistently shown that they can't handle situations like Carrier and Military Circles. The increase in accidents at a place as easy to manage as the Grant Blvd/James St intersection should give people pause with regard to this type of construction. I am not anti change. I simply don't think that this has been as well thought out as it should be. It seems to me that the Community Grid is a case of, "oooh! Isn't it pretty?" rather than what would be best for commuters of all types.
I understand but there is a term called "Induced demand" where more people drive if there are more lanes, and less if there are less lanes. This is on alot of urbanist videos and I recommend you watch them.
Will they also post an alternative? Also what are the delivery trucks supposed to do? Is there a different route for through traffic?It seems very tight for tractor trailer and adding needlessly long times for commuters.
I also feel like there is a bigger picture that needs to be addressed. The railway system needs to be reevaluated and re implemented in a way that helps the city to reduce the need for personal vehicles for commuters.
If they fix all of this what happens to the Ghetto will all of that get Gentrified? I remember living in Brewster Boland dorm as a Freshman and hated looking out on that section of Highway hearing nothing but incessant Trucks ALL DAY.
Having spent most of my adult life in Syracuse I think this idea like the ones in other cities forgets that there is traffic. That stopping and starting vehicles crate nose and busy intersections will not only slow traffic, it invites accidents. Bury it or beautify it.
Good it's Upstate NY we are under snow 6 moths of the year bicycles are a novelty and a pipe dream of idiots who believe in Global Warming caused by cars and not Chinese Coal Power Plants.
Um in what multiverse is the population set to the year 1961? Why did the polish remove the expressway overpass designed for the future? To make the buildings look taller. This is so stupid. I cant even. Syracuse city: welcome to the future of utica
Rediculious, slowing traffic from 65 to 30 on a hiway, not only is this going to cause congestion but most likely accidents and even worse traffic conditions. this was supposed to improve things not make them worse. looks good but bad idea for people comming in and leaving jobs during rush hour or events at the dome. Traffic is insane for concerts and games at the dome as is it, but yea lets make it even worse. Bad idea
If I work on Montgomery St. and live in Liverpool... say, off Buckley Rd... how would I get from home to work and work to home? What about the miles of I81 between the Northern and Southern (current) 481 connection points that aren't downtown? What about getting to the airport? What about getting from the airport to downtown? The sole focus of this project seems to be the approximately 2 miles of viaduct that covers downtown. What about all the rest of the current highway? Much is being made about ensuring the ease of getting to Syracuse University...a destination for a miniscule percentage of visiting travelers, let alone daily travelers. What about ease of travel for actual residents? How will that be guaranteed?
Then move into Syracuse , that’s the main point of this , cities thrive when the people that work in them live there as well. Only a parasite feeds on a host and returns nothing of value to it.
@@techngizmosINC if you work downtown, you eat there, shop there, you bring your clients there and your employer pays property taxes. That's hardly being a parasite. The downtown area cannot physically house everyone that works in there. It simply isn't large enough. Everyone who lives in Onondaga County cannot live in the City - again, there isn't enough housing. Your "solution" is ridiculous.
@@tonipaglia2190 in Syracuse’s current state no one is willing to gamble on Realestate that isn’t a school or a hospital facility, when your commute becomes a nightmare , that will change .
@@techngizmosINC the real estate market is booming. Houses are selling for well over asking price, buyers are waiving inspections and listings have multiple offers. People are investing now in real estate throughout the county - yes, including in the City. Nothing you have said has answered a single question that I asked. You've just expressed your own opinion. I'm looking for facts.
The rotary proposal is interesting but there aren't many in the region so people will not be used to them. Would be good to see how the northern suburbs can reach university hill and know much time the proposal will add to their commutes. There are also no Land Rover dealers in CNY so unlikely that the city will be full of Range Rovers as shown, a strange choice for the simulation..:D
1. Carrier Circle, Military Circle, a small roundabout in Ithaca, a roundabout on state route 38 next to Island Park in Auburn, four roundabouts along NY590/Sea Breeze Dr. in Rochester, NY13 and E. Franklin St. in Horseheads...not as many as, say in England, but enough. Funny how they're all forgotten about the instant this one, which was moved to Van Buren, BTW, comes up. 2. Business Loop 81 (current I-81) to 690 east and immediately getting off at the Irving interchanges which is in the video at about 3:20. Crouse and Irving are 2-way streets in the grid alternative, so NYSDOT estimates no changes in time. Irving to 690 to BL81 north is how people would get home.
on street parking and 6 gazillion intersections. A cheaper and safer solution is to just allow development on the side of the freeway and add some pedestrian overpasses.
I got a minute in and already I hate it. I81 at ground level would be perfectly acceptable if there weren't any interruptions like roundabouts and traffic lights. That highway is already an absolute nightmare and they want to throw those elements in?
This is an amazing video of a pipe dream. Where is the....... Cars. We all know vehicles do not drive like that around Syracuse. We know there will be a lot more traffic on these roads. the lawbreakers. We know there will be mean people run those lights. What happens when a cop has a vehicle pulled over and now everyone only in one lane. Accidents. What going to happen when there is an accident that shuts down one if not two lanes? The rain. We know Syracuse can has it share of heavy rain storms how these roads going to do with flooding that already happens in these area. The snow. What happens when we get our normal snow and these roads are going worse. Who going to plow these road now that it's BL81? Where are the people at walking in the roads because the sideways aren't keep clean. These are only some of the issues of this video let alone this whole project. I watch a Movie this weekend that had a guy that was immortal and had ten rings. He fought his son and there was a dragon. That movie was more believable then this is.
@@austineverett6384 Only because it hasn't been properly maintained. A new wider structure would last another 100 years if properly built. We maintain much older bridges in this country without them falling down.
As much as I hate the over passes this feels more like community grid lock than community grid. Wait til you get all the trucks (they won't all go on 481), and rush hour hits all those traffic lights. We all gonna be singing 'Slave to the traffic light- by Phish'
@@latifroberson4403 because a lot of those truck deliveries are going to be made to Syracuse or it's suburbs, normally they would take the highway and get off right at the exit where the businesses but now they have to go through the entire city.
@@mikelikesguitaralot the only exit that's going away is Adams/Harrison. So truckers have to drive an extra half mile not on a elevated structure. Big deal. Truckers from the south going somewhere north of Syracuse should've been taking 481 all along. The grid or a new overpass won't get built overnight. So either way truckers will be on 481. Where they belong.
@@retrojordans5 adams harrison exit is terrifying to cross on foot, worst place in the city. it looks like if anything this'll make it much worse. screw you syracuse. i'm glad i moved to auburn. the arterial i guess is kinda similar, and it murderously sucks, but better than this abomination
@@luciferangelica how will Adams/harrison be worse than today if traffic is spread out more? Traffic from the south will be able to access the Hill from Colvin(Manley Field House parking for employees) and Van Buren(parking garages a block away). Traffic from the North, East, and West will have new exits to Irving and Crouse. I know change is hard for Upstaters but I think u guys can manage.
In the past the goal was for roadways to move traffic, now the system has been taken over by the nut jobs who now say their goal is to slow traffic down from 65 MPH to 30 MPH. Will these same people next suggest we go back to the horse and buggy.
I get what you're saying but you seem unable to view it from the perspective of others. Roadways through urban areas need to consider their impact on the RESIDENTS and visitors of those urban areas. That's why they're spending millions to provide thru traffic a means to keep at 65. It is such a small city as far as significant metro's go, that even in bad traffic you can drive all the way across it in 30 minutes. In the worst traffic you can get from anywhere in the county to downtown in what, 20 or 30 mins? That said, I'm skeptical of the roundabout. Some one coming from the south that wants to go to, idk hawley green neighborhood or Eastwood or even Armory square, has no good options. They can deal with surface streets for miles or they can drive miles out of their way. I live near James and Teal and own a house Palace theater and coming from the south I have no good way of getting there. If this helps the city and her residents, then I'm all for it. But I don't think it will all that much.
@@burtan2000 This myth (more like a Big Lie) has gone on for over 50 years that somehow that 81 viaduct somehow hurt the area. That is pure bull. It was a crime infested slum and most of it is the same now and forcing people to drive though the area solves nothing, but provides more opportunity for pan handlers and other to take advantage of those who travel through the city. It also will likely be the end of Destiny which in a way is a good thing, but that will leave another mess for local government to clean up.
yeah. this still looks pretty much as stupid as i thought. adams and west st have always been the hardest places to cross the street, in that order,and it looks like they still will be it's really dumb that the highway just dumps out into downtown syracuse, kinda just like before, but before you didn't have to get off the highway. dumb this is why sewercuse sucks. stop ruining everything
yeah, looks so safe to reroute the fn highway so it runs right by the underprivileged elementary school. i'm sure we'd be hearing about that if it was fm or west genesee
@@nywvblue why'd they put it right next to a school? it's very easy to jump to the conclusion that they do not care about the children in that neighborhood
@@TonyBSyr, you act like Syracuse is a war zone. We literally had 31 homicides in 2016, and that was our worst year ON RECORD. In 2019, 102 people were shot (mostly injured) in the entire year - out of a population of 142,000+ people. That's a 0.07% chance of getting shot. 7 times more people in all of Onondaga County died from COVID-19 than were shot over the course of the last year. And most of these shootings aren't nefarious ambushes by carjackers. They're idiots who get in arguments. I live in Syracuse and can walk down any block at any time of day or night and not worry about getting shot. How? Mind your fucking business, that's how. Walk away from arguments, don't get involved in drama, and you'll be fine 99.9% of the time. Syracuse is a good city. It's just clearly not for pussies like you.
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This is excellent! It really helps to visualize what is so hard to describe in words.
sucks
until you actually have to drive on it during rush hour.
Looks like a mess to drive in.
A re-connection to historic Oakwood Cemetery Gateway is missing. There's plenty of room on the east side of the business loop to add a bike path linking Almond St. to Oakwood, one of our most important historic landscapes. This could also easily link Downtown to the Southside community. We shouldn't miss that opportunity.
Much better than the hideous, overly busy, unsafe overpass through downtown now. Overpasses seem to need new repairs every day here but it costs too much to fix them and again it's already too small and too busy to accommodate 81's traffic capacity needs so they hardly close for repairs. I have a feeling people will hate it until it's done and they realize how it repairs traffic problems.
The traffic now moves at 50 MPH or faster with no lights. Slow that down to 30 MPH and add all the stop lights and then force trucks to find a detour will only make things worse. This is all based on a lie that somehow the raised highway did damage to a low income area. Wait for all the extra pollution with that stalled traffic and then tell us how it will improve the area.
@@TonyBSyr Trucks that are just passing through Syracuse from the north or south will just stay on the new path of 81 (formerly 481)
@@timoliver-grow8682 Why should truckers or anyone else be forced to drive another 10 or 15 miles because some idiot politicians want to force people to drive through Syracuse at ground level. Should Cortland and every other town also have the right to force all the traffic to drive though their city or take a long detour too. Highways in the past were designed to be efficient and provide a direct route for everyone.
@@TonyBSyr No one wants to force traffic through the city. That's why 81 will go on to 481 instead, so that people don't drive through the city to get to the north or the south of us. Anyone who doesn't take the current 481 around the city and instead decides to drive through after all this is said and done is a moron.
@@timoliver-grow8682 The only morons are the stupid political hacks that want to take a good road away from the public and force them to drive another 10 or 15 miles. Learn to read.
Traffic is going to be horrific
Gotta love all the cars from 90s and 00s. Flashback down memory lane :)
why are we not just further expanding the metro system this is a ridiculous plan in order for rich people in ny to get money
this is tearing down a highway which destroyed a community where black and jewish people were forced to live in.
@@alaouiproductions No it didn;t that is a flat out lie told to you to make you feel better about losing your infrastructure. No one is oppressin anyone anywhere. This was 100% about EVs being too heavy for the viaduct, and developers wanting to build luxury apartments in that space. This will cause congestion and accidents galore. Along with the environmental impact of existing ICE exhaust as cars idle at the lights. It's complete and utter bullshit.
Excellent visualization of the misery to come!
I understand that some people might be apprehensive about I-81 coming down and change is harder for some people more than others-- but honestly this will be a fresh breath of air for the Syracuse community. I'm not claiming to be a city planner or part of the DOT, but I have done my research on this subject and I really wish the Syracuse community would do its due diligence so they will also be informed on this matter to come to the conclusion that the community grid is the best option here, and always will be.
The community grid is happening whether people like it or not. The longer that this keeps getting dragged on/getting pushed off because people don't want to except change is only hurting the Syracuse community in the long run--- I really wish that people would realize this. The sooner the back and forth comes to an end, the better. Let's hurry this thing up and get this comment period over with so we can move on and progress this city the way it needs to be!
Edit: I'm not understanding all of the negative comments on the traffic circle... This is a brilliant idea!!! If I'm not mistaken, the Carrier Circle roundabout sees a heavier volume of traffic everyday and the only time its ever backed up is when 18 wheelers are waiting their turn. We shouldn't have this problem if they are made to go on the new I-81.
This should have a route number completely different from 81, or else trucks are going to ignore the rerouting of I-81 over I-481 and start driving through the city thinking they're still on 81. Look how many trucks smack into the bridge on Onondaga Lake Parkway on a regular basis because the drivers don't read the signs. Do you really think trucks from down south to Canada are going to go the other way and not go through straight through this congested mess?
1) What happens to Rams Gulch as 481 is expanded to handle more through traffic? 2) Can't see enough of the 690-81 on-off exchanges. Will there be adaptations to near-downtown on-off ramps to spread out some of the commuter traffic during rush hours? 3) How is the Destiny/Regional Market area affected by changing traffic patterns?
1. Probably nothing since no work is done there. 2. People coming south on BL81 can get off at Clinton St.; follow BL81 into intersections with Oswego Blvd., along Erie Blvd., and down Almond St.; NYSDOT doesn't think anything will happen to them, and only people coming from south of Adams St. are delayed. But the NYSDOT has this crazy idea that people go to Destiny because they intend to go there in the first place and don't just happen to be there because they somehow ended up on 81 passing that exit.
The traffic jams are going to be awful. With lights at every intersection with no means to avoid City streets, you are directing hundreds - if not thousands - of vehicles onto streets that are not designed to handle this type of traffic. Syracuse cannot currently maintain city streets now. With the added congestion, streets will deteriorate faster and there is no plan to deal with this issue.
Is there any research on or statistics about the number of people who consistently use the creek walk? What studies have been done on the impact this will have on the ability of emergency services to get critical patients to hospital care? I have to think that an additional 10-15 minutes in traffic will have a negative effect. What about fire service getting to a fire in this area? With additional congestion on streets that aren't built for that kind of traffic, what will the increased difficulty be for fire engines to get through?
What percentage of the population that works in this area rides a bicycle to work with regularity? What percentage uses public transportation?
Will the Pearl Street on ramp be reconfigured? It's currently too narrow and too tight a turn to be a main entrance.
How many roundabouts are planned? Area drivers have consistently shown that they can't handle situations like Carrier and Military Circles. The increase in accidents at a place as easy to manage as the Grant Blvd/James St intersection should give people pause with regard to this type of construction.
I am not anti change. I simply don't think that this has been as well thought out as it should be. It seems to me that the Community Grid is a case of, "oooh! Isn't it pretty?" rather than what would be best for commuters of all types.
You're right, this is going to be a disaster.
Business Loop I-81 should have been constructed as a tunnel highway
@@mattyian1208 better yet keep I-81 designation as it is.
I understand but there is a term called "Induced demand" where more people drive if there are more lanes, and less if there are less lanes. This is on alot of urbanist videos and I recommend you watch them.
All of these traffic projections are based on “normal weather conditions”. Does that mean it accounts for the 100 inches of snow that we get?
We know how to deal with snow around here. They'll manage it.
Thank you for leaving out the music.
Will they also post an alternative? Also what are the delivery trucks supposed to do? Is there a different route for through traffic?It seems very tight for tractor trailer and adding needlessly long times for commuters.
I also feel like there is a bigger picture that needs to be addressed. The railway system needs to be reevaluated and re implemented in a way that helps the city to reduce the need for personal vehicles for commuters.
@@vshank7795 stop already, nobody wants to take a train to go a few miles.
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@@henryaldrich7726 false. millions do every day in NYS alone
@@mechanussunrise that’s nyc, most in upstate want nothing to do with a train for a few miles.
Thru traffic will be redirected onto what is currently I-481, which will be re-signed as I-81.
Can't wait to count all the car accidents
If they fix all of this what happens to the Ghetto will all of that get Gentrified? I remember living in Brewster Boland dorm as a Freshman and hated looking out on that section of Highway hearing nothing but incessant Trucks ALL DAY.
ahh a scenic bike path through one of the most voilent neighborhoods in the country
Having spent most of my adult life in Syracuse I think this idea like the ones in other cities forgets that there is traffic. That stopping and starting vehicles crate nose and busy intersections will not only slow traffic, it invites accidents. Bury it or beautify it.
The I-81 route enter part of I-481, I-690 to I-81. The boulevard should have light rail line.
This is how Rochester is and what a pain it is to drive there.
So no bike lanes?
Good it's Upstate NY we are under snow 6 moths of the year bicycles are a novelty and a pipe dream of idiots who believe in Global Warming caused by cars and not Chinese Coal Power Plants.
Um in what multiverse is the population set to the year 1961? Why did the polish remove the expressway overpass designed for the future? To make the buildings look taller. This is so stupid. I cant even. Syracuse city: welcome to the future of utica
Looks like a GTA mod.
This makes me think about the Memphis situation where I-40 is rerouted north of Memphis and the main section is replaced by Sam Cooper Blvd
Bet its a nightmare.
What’s this a 30 year process 🤷🏽♂️
Most likely a decade, but rebuilding the overpass would take twice as long and cost ten times as much only to be back to square one in 60 years.
It's expected to be completed by 2026.
Rediculious, slowing traffic from 65 to 30 on a hiway, not only is this going to cause congestion but most likely accidents and even worse traffic conditions. this was supposed to improve things not make them worse. looks good but bad idea for people comming in and leaving jobs during rush hour or events at the dome. Traffic is insane for concerts and games at the dome as is it, but yea lets make it even worse. Bad idea
Good luck with this hazzard glad ill never have to use it
Sure, put a Roundabout at the start of a new traffic pattern. I hope they're planning to keep a cop, ambulance, and a dozen cameras on site.
Roundabouts are proven to be significantly safer than 4 way intersections when implemented properly
If I work on Montgomery St. and live in Liverpool... say, off Buckley Rd... how would I get from home to work and work to home?
What about the miles of I81 between the Northern and Southern (current) 481 connection points that aren't downtown? What about getting to the airport? What about getting from the airport to downtown?
The sole focus of this project seems to be the approximately 2 miles of viaduct that covers downtown. What about all the rest of the current highway? Much is being made about ensuring the ease of getting to Syracuse University...a destination for a miniscule percentage of visiting travelers, let alone daily travelers. What about ease of travel for actual residents? How will that be guaranteed?
Then move into Syracuse , that’s the main point of this , cities thrive when the people that work in them live there as well. Only a parasite feeds on a host and returns nothing of value to it.
@@techngizmosINC if you work downtown, you eat there, shop there, you bring your clients there and your employer pays property taxes. That's hardly being a parasite.
The downtown area cannot physically house everyone that works in there. It simply isn't large enough. Everyone who lives in Onondaga County cannot live in the City - again, there isn't enough housing. Your "solution" is ridiculous.
@@tonipaglia2190 in Syracuse’s current state no one is willing to gamble on Realestate that isn’t a school or a hospital facility, when your commute becomes a nightmare , that will change .
@@techngizmosINC the real estate market is booming. Houses are selling for well over asking price, buyers are waiving inspections and listings have multiple offers. People are investing now in real estate throughout the county - yes, including in the City.
Nothing you have said has answered a single question that I asked. You've just expressed your own opinion. I'm looking for facts.
@@techngizmosINC BTW, I was born and raised in the City and, with the exception of four years away at college, have lived in the City my entire life.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
The rotary proposal is interesting but there aren't many in the region so people will not be used to them. Would be good to see how the northern suburbs can reach university hill and know much time the proposal will add to their commutes. There are also no Land Rover dealers in CNY so unlikely that the city will be full of Range Rovers as shown, a strange choice for the simulation..:D
1. Carrier Circle, Military Circle, a small roundabout in Ithaca, a roundabout on state route 38 next to Island Park in Auburn, four roundabouts along NY590/Sea Breeze Dr. in Rochester, NY13 and E. Franklin St. in Horseheads...not as many as, say in England, but enough. Funny how they're all forgotten about the instant this one, which was moved to Van Buren, BTW, comes up. 2. Business Loop 81 (current I-81) to 690 east and immediately getting off at the Irving interchanges which is in the video at about 3:20. Crouse and Irving are 2-way streets in the grid alternative, so NYSDOT estimates no changes in time. Irving to 690 to BL81 north is how people would get home.
on street parking and 6 gazillion intersections. A cheaper and safer solution is to just allow development on the side of the freeway and add some pedestrian overpasses.
I got a minute in and already I hate it. I81 at ground level would be perfectly acceptable if there weren't any interruptions like roundabouts and traffic lights. That highway is already an absolute nightmare and they want to throw those elements in?
Maybe there shouldn't be a highway disecting a major part of Syracuse 🤔
It's not i81 at ground level. It's removing i81 from downtown.
Many thanks to Van Robinson who got the ball rolling on this 20+ yrs ago.
is that who's to blame?
@@luciferangelica if you'd like. Won't change anything tho
This is an amazing video of a pipe dream.
Where is the.......
Cars. We all know vehicles do not drive like that around Syracuse. We know there will be a lot more traffic on these roads.
the lawbreakers. We know there will be mean people run those lights. What happens when a cop has a vehicle pulled over and now everyone only in one lane.
Accidents. What going to happen when there is an accident that shuts down one if not two lanes?
The rain. We know Syracuse can has it share of heavy rain storms how these roads going to do with flooding that already happens in these area.
The snow. What happens when we get our normal snow and these roads are going worse. Who going to plow these road now that it's BL81? Where are the people at walking in the roads because the sideways aren't keep clean.
These are only some of the issues of this video let alone this whole project. I watch a Movie this weekend that had a guy that was immortal and had ten rings. He fought his son and there was a dragon. That movie was more believable then this is.
Keep voting dems and RINOS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DESERVE
I totally agree 👍
Stupid af. Update 81 and leave it as a overpass.
The overpass is a train wreck
@@austineverett6384 Only because it hasn't been properly maintained. A new wider structure would last another 100 years if properly built. We maintain much older bridges in this country without them falling down.
Yeah...because DOT just happens to have an extra $1,000,000,000.00 hanging around that couldn't be spent wisely instead.
@@All4Grogg So they are going to spend twice that on this stupidity.
@@All4Grogg you better talk to turtle mitch about that
As much as I hate the over passes this feels more like community grid lock than community grid. Wait til you get all the trucks (they won't all go on 481), and rush hour hits all those traffic lights. We all gonna be singing 'Slave to the traffic light- by Phish'
Why wouldn't they? That's going to be where traffic gets routed by their navigation apps eventually. It's going to naturally avoid stoplights.
@@latifroberson4403 because a lot of those truck deliveries are going to be made to Syracuse or it's suburbs, normally they would take the highway and get off right at the exit where the businesses but now they have to go through the entire city.
@@mikelikesguitaralot the only exit that's going away is Adams/Harrison. So truckers have to drive an extra half mile not on a elevated structure. Big deal. Truckers from the south going somewhere north of Syracuse should've been taking 481 all along. The grid or a new overpass won't get built overnight. So either way truckers will be on 481. Where they belong.
@@retrojordans5 adams harrison exit is terrifying to cross on foot, worst place in the city. it looks like if anything this'll make it much worse. screw you syracuse. i'm glad i moved to auburn. the arterial i guess is kinda similar, and it murderously sucks, but better than this abomination
@@luciferangelica how will Adams/harrison be worse than today if traffic is spread out more? Traffic from the south will be able to access the Hill from Colvin(Manley Field House parking for employees) and Van Buren(parking garages a block away). Traffic from the North, East, and West will have new exits to Irving and Crouse. I know change is hard for Upstaters but I think u guys can manage.
In the past the goal was for roadways to move traffic, now the system has been taken over by the nut jobs who now say their goal is to slow traffic down from 65 MPH to 30 MPH. Will these same people next suggest we go back to the horse and buggy.
i hope we jack up the price of gas to $100. a gallon, and you can stop running me over all the time, and cooking me too, screw you
I get what you're saying but you seem unable to view it from the perspective of others. Roadways through urban areas need to consider their impact on the RESIDENTS and visitors of those urban areas. That's why they're spending millions to provide thru traffic a means to keep at 65.
It is such a small city as far as significant metro's go, that even in bad traffic you can drive all the way across it in 30 minutes. In the worst traffic you can get from anywhere in the county to downtown in what, 20 or 30 mins?
That said, I'm skeptical of the roundabout. Some one coming from the south that wants to go to, idk hawley green neighborhood or Eastwood or even Armory square, has no good options. They can deal with surface streets for miles or they can drive miles out of their way. I live near James and Teal and own a house Palace theater and coming from the south I have no good way of getting there.
If this helps the city and her residents, then I'm all for it. But I don't think it will all that much.
@@burtan2000 This myth (more like a Big Lie) has gone on for over 50 years that somehow that 81 viaduct somehow hurt the area. That is pure bull. It was a crime infested slum and most of it is the same now and forcing people to drive though the area solves nothing, but provides more opportunity for pan handlers and other to take advantage of those who travel through the city. It also will likely be the end of Destiny which in a way is a good thing, but that will leave another mess for local government to clean up.
isn't the speed limit 45mph through most of the city highway?
@@fatguy0nacouch Yes, but this is no longer a highway. Look at the 30 MPL signs they have in the video
This is horrible. The first stop into this Community Maze is Pioneer Homes. Looks like GTA.
so you admit that the highways were made for white suburbanites to bypass poor communities. lol
@@frankiecarroll1480 you don't want to stop in the poor community during The Joe Biden Crime Wave.
@@donsmith2838 Then don't go to syracuse lol hahahah if you hate the people in the city, then don't go simple as that. Stay in the suburbs.
Can’t wait for the community gridlock. If the can demo some buildings for this grid. They can demo the buildings and rebuild and upgrade I81 to code.
Rebuilding I-81 to code would require demolishing 24 buildings. The grid requires 4. That's why it won.
yeah. this still looks pretty much as stupid as i thought. adams and west st have always been the hardest places to cross the street, in that order,and it looks like they still will be it's really dumb that the highway just dumps out into downtown syracuse, kinda just like before, but before you didn't have to get off the highway. dumb this is why sewercuse sucks. stop ruining everything
Looks amazing at least in animation.
Everything will be ok unless there’s safety
yeah, looks so safe to reroute the fn highway so it runs right by the underprivileged elementary school. i'm sure we'd be hearing about that if it was fm or west genesee
My prediction is that roundabout is the weak spot and will be rife with accidents.
@@nywvblue why'd they put it right next to a school? it's very easy to jump to the conclusion that they do not care about the children in that neighborhood
Too many ambush points.
Ambush from what?
@@jamesscott2043 Count the number of shootings in a month in Syracuse now and look at all the new spots where motoristscan be shot.
@@TonyBSyr, you act like Syracuse is a war zone. We literally had 31 homicides in 2016, and that was our worst year ON RECORD. In 2019, 102 people were shot (mostly injured) in the entire year - out of a population of 142,000+ people. That's a 0.07% chance of getting shot. 7 times more people in all of Onondaga County died from COVID-19 than were shot over the course of the last year.
And most of these shootings aren't nefarious ambushes by carjackers. They're idiots who get in arguments. I live in Syracuse and can walk down any block at any time of day or night and not worry about getting shot. How? Mind your fucking business, that's how. Walk away from arguments, don't get involved in drama, and you'll be fine 99.9% of the time.
Syracuse is a good city. It's just clearly not for pussies like you.
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