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- Ep. 60 - In this 5 Minute Thursday we share some tips and advice to help you evaluate the 14 clubs that you’re currently playing to make sure that you have the best 14 Clubs to escape the trouble that you may find yourself in and around the golf course.
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Would love to see a fitting process
Yes please! I would love to see your fit process!
would love to see the fitting process too!
Would really enjoy the fitting process start to finish!
Yes to seeing the fitting process.
Definitely would enjoy seeing a fitting!!
Very interested in seeing your club fitting from start to finish!!!
In the works
Glad I found your channel. Learn more in a few videos than watching all those 🇬🇧 channels just testing new products with never a bad review!
Funny how everything is a good product and just might be a good fit right…🤪
Would love to see the entire fitting process! Thinking about making the trip down from Ohio.
That’s not too bad of a trip well depending on what part of Ohio…😀
@@SwingFit Northeast Ohio. Go Browns!
Great video. I think you could maybe turn the volume up a little bit. Seems very quiet.
Great basic rundown!
I really wish I had a fitter like you guys in my area. Unfortunately all we’ve got are the big chains
Amazing thought process in this video - thank you !!
I'm a self confessed Golf Fitting junkie👍
Thanks, that was an interesting vid.
These days I mainly play at my home Course so I only carry the clubs that I use/need.
I'm now down to 11 clubs (driver, 19 & 22deg hybrids, 6-PW Irons, 52 & 56 wedges & Putter). Admittedly there are gaps at the top & bottom ends of my bag and I could have a Fairway Wood & Lob Wedge in there, but I mishit both clubs and they tend to cost me shots, so I leave them out.
Thanks for sharing bud, perfect example that sometimes 14 clubs just might be a little to much.
@@SwingFit 👍 next year I'm also thinking of taking out my 7 & 9 Irons, so I will be down to 9 clubs in total, just to see how it affects my game and scores
@@banditbaker1675 so make the 8iiron play a 1/2 longer and two degree stronger, because then if you grip to the handle you have a weaker 7 iron choked down just a bit and you have your 8 iron and then choke down 1” and you have your 9 iron. Also make sure you go with the plus4 style grips, the ones with the fatter bottom hand so if you do choke down your still good…
@@SwingFit that might be a bit too clever for me John, but as I play the JumboMax XL Grips I should be ok gripping down on them to go down to a 7 & 9 Iron shot👍
Sooo… I’ve got Tour Edge Comp 950. Yup… about 20 years old. Love them, but I’m way over due for taking advantage of technology.
My bag:
D (TE C721), 3W, 5W, 7W
5i - 9i
PW, MW, SW, LW
Putter
My first six or seven years I ditched the driver and added the 4i. I RARELY played the 4i. Today, I MIGHT pull the driver out two or three times per round. I’m very comfortable and more consistent with the 3W off the tee.
I’m finding today’s irons are stronger lofted. In some cases they are two clubs stronger than my Comp 950 which makes my 3i closer to today’s 5i. I’m seriously wondering if I’ll even be able to hit today’s 5i.
Are today’s clubs so advanced and forgiving that I’ll be able to hit these stronger lofted clubs?
Will it even be worth buying and carrying 14 clubs?
Maybe I include a couple hybrids that carry the same distance as irons, but have a higher apex and steeper landing angle?
Yes without question 14 clubs. In regard to your question about stronger lofts, just understand we have use stronger lofts now a days and this is because of how we are using CG in the heads. If they kept the traditional lofts then the ball would literally go straight up in the air. But to you point you won’t have to go any larger then a 5iron.
Interesting thought process. My bag: Driver , HL 3 wood, 3 and 4 hybrid , 5-PW, 50* and 56* wedges, putter. 13 clubs. Seems to work pretty well for me.
The key takeaway here is as long as you have your gaps covered and your not having to rely to heavily on one specific club to pull off a number of different shots then you are good and from the sounds of it 13 is the magic number for you, and this Vm gut even lead to a cool part two video. Thanks again for sharing.
I would worry more about 160 and in.
I go lob wedge to 5 iron, 5 hybrid, 3 hybrid, 4 wood, driver. I find the gap between 5 and 3 hybrid negligible, I can step on the 5h if I need to. Sucks getting older, thank goodness for technology.
So very true about 3 and 5 hybrid they really aren’t meant to be like irons where you want a perfect 10-15 yard gap. I’d rather see about a 20-25 yard separation with those clubs as I know I could swing it just a tad harder or choke down and swing it a little smoother to get multiple shots out of just a single Hybrid. Thanks for sharing.
Getting older and possibly wiser plus the use of technology in measuring my actual playing distances ( Arccos Caddie App) demonstrated that my distances with my 5,6,7 single length irons were getting too close. I flirted with single length Hybrids, but eventually found more consistency using a 5 hybrid and a 6 hybrid ( both adjustable lofts to assist with gapping) . Now I have a 12 degree driver, 17.5 4W, 21 7W, Single length 19 Hybrid ( love it) at the top end of my bag. Inside 160 yards is my strength , using the 5 and 6 hybrid at the upper end of 140-160 , then the 90-130 yard band is where the accuracy of the SL irons makes golf easier.
@@kymstock1852 thanks for sharing, glad to see you was able to get squared away.
I've spent much time these last few years on bag construction for myself, my older parents, my athletic female partner, and my newer to golf tall athletic son, that I've developed strong feelings, based on swing speeds, of the last playable iron loft, and bag construction for these different groups of players - and they are so VERY different. For simplicity, I find there are 4 different buckets of swing speed based on Driver Swing Speed: 1) Tour - 115mph, 2) High - 100-105mph, 3) Average - 90mph, 4) Low - 80mph
There are no perfect answers - and yes, it's also swing&skill dependant, but here is what I've seen and done, and seen work based on Driver Swing Speed:
Driver Swing Speed, Last Playable Iron Loft, Hybrids in your bag, Woods in your bag
Tour (Black Tees) - 115mph, 21-degrees(3iron), no hybrids, 5&3W (18/13.5) - 8 irons in the bag
High (Blue Tees) - 105mph, 24-degrees(4-iron), 21-hybrid, 5&3W(18/15) - 7 irons in the bag
Average (White Tees) - 90mph, 30-degrees(6-iron), 27-degree-hybrid, 24-hybrid, 7&5W(21/18) - 5 irons in the bag
Low (Forward Tees) - 80mph, 34-degrees(7-iron), 30-hybrid & 27-hybrid, 9&7W (24/21) - 4 irons in the bag
Since the vast majority of golfers on the planet fall into the last 2 groups, this would imply that most golfers should more likely have between 5 and 4 irons in the bag. It is also very important to understand the actual loft of the irons in your bag because many modern lofts have changed significantly - and it really is the key to bag construction - what is the last lofted iron you can hit high enough that it will hold a green? For golfers that play tees at 6200 yards (white tees), with 90mph driver swing speeds, from what I've seen, that is a traditional lofted 6-iron or a 30-degree iron and for the slower swing speed group, it is a 7-iron at best.
Finally, when you look at Golf from a Strokes Gained perspective, there are 2 areas where Pros are massively better than most golfers that play from both the Blue (6700-yard tees) and the White (6200-yard tees) - and those areas are Proximity to the hole from 175-225 yards and Up&Down % while Chipping and Pitching - and I think from a bag construction and skill perspective, the solution to each of these represents an opportunity to further optimize the bag. Let's face it, the average semi-decent handicap golfer, that plays the Blue & White tees, does not have a good short game - yet most allocate 4 slots in the bag (PW-46, Gap-50-52, Sand-56, Lob-60) and it doesn't seem to help. Why? because short-game is about spending hours and hours practicing hitting the 10,000 types of shots you face out there - and 98% of golfers don't have the time and desire to do this. So, can we free up a club to help us in the long end? I think the answer is Yes for nearly everyone - a stock 46-degree PW, then 52-gap (with a versatile sole), and then a 58 mid-bounce wedge with a very flexible grind would give you a free club to help you in the long end of the bag. Again, most people that play the 6700 & 6200-yard tees, if they are in the middle of the fairway at 180-yards, 190-yards, 200-yards, 210-yards, 220-yards are pretty much not hitting the green - Pros are flag hunting the pin from 180-yards out with a 7-iron hitting a nice high fade - most Handicap golfers are sending in a low slicing 5-iron hoping to carry the bunker in front of the green - and that's the HUGE difference and where this free club can be used, and in my honest opinion, as someone that has gone from being a 10 handicap to a scratch golfer, is where I would start bag construction - find the last iron loft you can hit high into a green and make the ball stop, and then spend 80% of your bag construction time trying to find the right hybrids and high-lofted woods to make this very difficult part of the bag a strength - that might mean 7-hybrid, 6-hybrids, 5-hybrids, 9-woods & 7-woods. Unless you have a 100+mph Driver swing speed and can hit a 24-degree lofted iron to 100 feet with a 45-degree descent angle, my default bag for most people would look like the following:
1-2) Driver, Putter
3, 4, 5) 5-wood, 7-wood, 9-wood
6, 7) 5-hybrid & 6-hybrid
8, 9, 10, 11, 12 (5-irons) PW, 9, 8, 7, 6
13-14) 52&58-wedge
This gives you more tools, and specialty tools that are easier to launch higher and hold into greens at the top end where the game is hardest, it simplfies your wedges with 2 clubs to use around the green to get more comfortable with and hopefully get better results with, and it recognizes that long irons, and even some mid irons, are hard to hit high enough and thus gives you better easier clubs to hit after your 6-iron.
This is an awesome response and I can tell you put a lot of time and thought into composing your response which is also cool, so thank you for sharing…
So I have a theory on why mid to high handicap players struggle with their wedges in fact I will even go as far to say it’s not really a theory but more of an observation. And that’s 90% of my customers are playing the wrong wedges and don’t understand when and how to utilize the bounce for the lie condition they are facing. And once I take the time to properly fit someone into the correct set of wedges it’s game over because the real truth of where this group of golfers struggle is hitting those greens on their approach shots. So having two wedges in the bag with different bounces and grinds can surely help them escape any type of trouble, well just as long as they have been educated on how and when to utilize those wedges and understand which wedge and bounce is best suited for the shot and condition they are trying to hit
Now In regards to the practice portion, this will come naturally as they begin getting better and more confident as a result of not blading the ball across the green or chunking it fat in the collar, and without question bounce and grind is what can make the technique a little easier.
Thanks again for sharing, your thoughts and perspective.
@@SwingFit I think 5 minutes at my muni counting the number of people on the range vs the number of people on the chipping green provides the obvious answer why mid/high handicappers struggle with wedges - they simply don't practice so when they stand over a 20-50 yard shot from the rough, they either always play it the same way regardless of lie and flight required or they can't decide how to play it and don't commit to the shot. I'm on your train John - I've carried the same two Cleveland wedges for 15+ years: 60/12 and 56/0 and regularly practice a wide range of shots and flights from random lies. My practice time is 50% range (and some of that is
Bought my irons pre owned and came with 3 thru 9. Absolutely love them. 9 iron loft is 41. Took the 3i out for a hybrid lofted at 21. Top of the bag goes 5 wood then driver (also have 3 wood but like the 5 wood more so I leave the 3w out). This gives be room for 4 wedges, 46, 50, 54, and 58. I actually like the versatility of the traditional wedges over a PW and AW/GW set up. My loft gaping and distance gaping seem consistent based on my gps shot tracking. Would you still recommend playing a set with PW AW/GW over a 46 and a 50? I personally like the "traditional" over strong loft iron set up.
It depends on the iron set some GW are just to bulky but I would almost always recommend the PW in the iron set if nothing else then it’s really a 10 iron and not really a wedge after all.
Thanks so much for the content ….The question I have is … what about people who have a fitting and then change their golf swing in a major way……. At what point is another fitting needed??? Asking for a friend.
It’s a really good question. anytime we introduce more speed into the golf swing or more force a new fitting without question will be required. If it’s as simple as I use to be over the top and sliced the ball to now I’m in to out and hit nice little draws then this wouldn’t require a new fitting as the force and speed elements are missing. The opposite could be said for someone who use to swing hard and aggressive but now swings smooth and in control would also be a great candidate for a refit. But hopefully you get where I’m going with this, it truly will be predicated on force and speed for the refit.
Be seeing you.
I cant tell you how many times Ive seen players go to buy modern irons and get the "traditional" 4-PW and without hesitation go straight for the 52/56/60 wedge set. The problem is that they don't take the time to look up that the PW they are get is 43 degrees and they now have a 9 degree gap between clubs. I try to tell everyone that unless you are buying super traditional blades/CBs with a PW in the 48 degree range, either a 50/54/58 setup or even buying the AW/GW from the iron set makes more sense, and even buying the set 5-AW/GW is the same as buying the 4-PW only they will get clubs that are more useable. With the hybrids Ive also seen that there are many times that players think they need to go "up" a club from their irons to the next lower hybrid. Say their iron set starts at 5, so they go straight to 4 hybrid. In many cases that 4 hybrid will be stronger than they need and create a gapping issue between the hybrid and iron. Ive seen quite a few players who hit their 5 iron 185, then their 4 hybrid will be 215, but I'll give them a 5 hybrid and they will hit it 195-200 which helps the gapping situation.
These are all really good examples and great talking points. One size doesn’t fit all and the ultimate determining factor in the building the best set composition without question is gapping, as long as this is good from club to club then the clubs and the lofts almost will always work themselves into the right positions.
When you talk about the next carry should equal the total from the previous, are you going off of trakman tyoe rollout of what u think real life rollout is?
we use Gc Quads, and what we found is carry numbers are spot on, the total number on the other hand is a little more speculative, as this is always going to be a calculated result, but what we’ve discovered is when we use the numbers as described in the video we nail the gaps every time, so I can say without reservation if someone is using a quad then this approach is the best. Good question.
@SwingFit 10 4. I have gc3(same software) and definitely don't get those rolls in northeast US.
That approach is actually probably the best advice I've seen on this part of bag. I've got clubs bunching up at top end at the moment.
Impacts more customers than not.
What is your preference in loft and grind on the gap, lob and sand wedges?
Bounce and grind is very specific to the type of shot We’re trying to execute if you’re looking for a Swiss Army knife, a wedge that can pull off a multitude of shots from various lies then going with a mid bounce versatile grind is the way to go if you’re looking for a wedge to predominantly hit full swings then go with more bounce and a standard drink as that will protect the leading edge. The key take away is try to select a different, bounce and grind in all of your scoring wedges so this way you can escape any type of trouble you’re going to face.
Yes please! I would love to see your fit process!
Would love to see a fitting process