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10 Doctor Who “Mistakes” That Were Totally Intentional
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What we know as the Elizabeth Tower was only named as such in 2012. The Slitheen ship would have hit the St Stephen’s Tower in the 2005 episode of Doctor Who.
But at the time of writing the script and recording this video, Elizabeth Tower is correct. So both are correct. 👍🏻
It's rare I get to correct a correction, but "St Stephen's Tower" was itself just a popular nickname. In as official a capacity as it could be at the time, it was simply called "Clock Tower" prior to the 2012 renaming.
I was about to write that!
Only time will tell 😏
You’re the exact type of person no one likes when it comes to things like this
Not only did Four regenerate so hard into Five their boots changed to shoes, like with Eleven regenerating into Twelve giving Clara bangs, it also changed Tegan's hair from tight curls to loose waves.
the air gets charged by the regeneration, reminds me of the generation game, didn't they do well !
I will never unsee the book not being autographed
You’re welcome 😁
Same
Probably not writing in it so that they could do many rehearsals and takes and not need a new book each time. (if you knew how many takes a small scene will end up going through!)
@@britlionagreed filming for shows is so much more complex than people realize
Tom Baker did indeed make Jelly Babies popular, but remember it was Patrick Troughton's Doctor who first offered them. And indeed, The Master also got into the act (John Simms) making the offer to his wife.
As always thank you so very much for the video.
After all, “There’s no point being grown-up if you can’t be childish sometimes.”
Yse Patrick troughton
patrick troughton first used them in the three doctors previous times he had a mix of sweets, sherbert lemons in wheel in space
Right, so right! 🖖🖖
The Vikings in The Time Meddler also had horned helmets ("What do you think that is? A space helmet for a cow?") so making Capaldi's Vikings have them too is good continuity.
There were a LOT of Vikings. More of a job than a nationality if what I have been told is correct. And, while I now that they did not, in general, have horns on their helmets, there is no reason that one particular group of them might have that as their signature motif.
Why is this a reply to Solar Penguin instead of it's own post? I do not know. But I'm not retyping it. Sorry S.P.
@@selvahechicera4292 ive made like 2 comments in the last week that fit so well with that last question and statement XD
@@selvahechicera4292 Horns would cause problems in battle - too easy to grab and yank. If any of the groups used it as a motif, it would be a short-lived tradition. (And really bad traditions did historically exist and were abandoned. See classic Time Team's discussion of decorative shield bosses.)
@@jonathanday6692 I've heard the "they would get grabbed in battle" argument before. Does not hold water. Vikings did not tend to use weapons that would let people get close enough that the advantage gained by the enemy would outweigh the coolness factor of having the horns. And bad traditions I hope do get abandoned. But it can take forever. (Has Alabama gotten rid of it's "Romeo and Juliet laws" yet?) Could one or two viking groups have had horned helmets? Certainly. It's not like there was one unified Viking nation that all wore the same outfits. But one or two smaller groups probably did. Statistically it's even relatively likely since there were a lot of them. An entire town? Eh... probably not. But it's not impossible.
Technically, Paul McGann is the longest serving Doctor - he took on the role of The Doctor in 1996 and regenerated in the Night of the Doctor in 2013 - 17 years between regenerations. Whilst he only appeared on screen during this time on two occasions, he kept Doctor Who fans appetite for new stories in the audio adventures and his eight incarnation of the Doctor appeared in many books.
If you want to get technical it would be William Hartnell frist seen in 1963 then last seen in The Day of the Doctor 2013 which would make it 50 years
McGann's large number of adventures in the comics, audio plays and podcasts fill in much of those years.
@@edwardhuggins84Recycled footage doesn’t count.
@cardinalhamneggs5253 says who you? Sorry, but it does count
@@edwardhuggins84 Not really - WH regenerated at the end of the Tenth Planet - which means his appearance in the Day of the Doctor was part of his incarnation before the events of the Tenth Planet in his own time line.
Intentionally leaving a "error" in the final edit is not the same as deliberately putting an error in... you could have had Clara say "oh she's removed the stairs, thanks dear!" and the error is noted (and rendered a "not error") in one swoop. Clearly they just assumed no one would notice... making it an UNintentional error.
Came here to say this. Almost none of these mistakes are 'intentional'. One of the few that was, when Eleven had his jacket back, wasn't a 'mistake' at all.
In the case of the stairs, it's not really an error when the set is deliberately changed to accommodate the scene. At worst it's an intentional continuity error, but really it's just a detail showing that the TARDIS can and will change itself to let a motorcycle pass through.
*an "error"
*"Oh, she's
*Clearly,
Also, strictly speaking, it's not an error if it's left intentionally. The video is about _perceived_ mistakes that were actually intentionally left, either as red herrings or because they didn't feel the issue was worth redoing a shot, prop, or whatnot, which is why the word is in quotes in the title. Your point is pretty moot.
In amongst all this pedantry, I find it quite amusing that you've all missed the fact that the word used in the video title is not "Error", but actually "Mistake" 😉
Edit: Apologies, @Benlime1235 did actually get the wording right.
Ive always noticed the raised platform in the Tardis during the day of the doctor, its always hilarious to see john hurt get taller in matts Tardis as he stands on the platform next to david, despite this David and matt were still somehow taller
5:51 - What would have been cool is if the Doctor mentioned that vikins DID wear helmets like that and the history books got it wrong.
"Timelordyness" - the word I never realized I needed, but 100% needed.
6:21 actually due to it being 2006 (film in 2005) this would of just been the Clock Tower of the Palace of Westminster it wasn’t named Elizabeth tower till 2012.
Congrats, you actually became THAT person from the video 😂
Fantastic. 😎
Sorry to disappoint you, but the name of the clock tower before it became Elizabeth tower was St Stephen’s tower
@@binnessNot officially.
Not sure if it was intentional but when Harold Saxon gases the cabinet, his gas mask is initially upside down and is then flipped the correct way later in the scene.
I noticed that mistake myself. I’m not sure how it happened without anyone noticing but I know that every shot was done with the same camera, and, although I’m not certain and could be wrong about this, I think the way they’d film each scene is that they’d have the actors repeat what they say in every shot while the producers shoot said scene from a different angle each time and then the editors would look at everything before isolating and using what they think are the best of each shot before putting those shots together into one complete scene (if you know what I mean).
I can think of one 'error' that might be intentional. In "Dr. Who and the Dalek's" starring Peter Cushing as the Dr. the Tardis doors open outward in keeping with the words on the sign on front, but in every other case that I've seen the doors open inward.
The sign is for the compartment with the phone, it doesn't relate to the actual door. While the real police boxes did indeed open outwards and not inwards, the TARDIS only uses them as disguise, so it's free to open its door any way it feels like.
Which brings us to the Doctor's wife episode, where Idris (the living matrix of the Doctor's TARDIS in a human body) is scolding the Doctor about this exact thing. Again she uses the phone compartment instructions as a reason, which simply is wrong. And while the real world boxes do compliment her argument with the Doctor, she herself does the very same thing, whenever the Doctor snaps his fingers, what way does the TARDIS open? Yep, inwards!
I always assumed the horns on the Viking helmets were just a nod to The Time Meddler getting that not wrong and the show just going with it! 😂😂
To the nuWhovians who haven't explored the classic Series yet (it's all on BritBox!) both "Genesis of the Daleks" (4th) and "Battlefield" (7th) are awesome stories. I don't really like "Logopolis"; 4th Doctor deserved a much better ending.
"Battlefield" brings back the now-married Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, and also has a scene in which Sylvester McCoy literally saved Sophie Aldred's life (water-tank scene).
Its not all there tho 😭
@@prva9347 i think if your a fan of the old series or old tv it doesnt matter
yeah thats JNT vs Tom Baker and how could the watcher forsee an accident but they was copying planet of the spiders, master radio telescope autons
It's not an intentional mistake, but in the second half of the series 3 two parter Human Nature and The Family of Blood, there's a shot where the scarecrows are about to attack the school and the camera pans back. If you look at the character Son of Mine, for a few seconds it's not the same actor, but when the camera pans back in, and he looks the same again. I think the reason was the main actor wasn't available at the time they filmed those scenes. Doesn't matter though, still a fantastic episode! Great video by the way, really interesting! ❤️😊
The Son of Mine, is that his name? I mean they do indeed use that to identify themselves, but only refering the other characters of the family like the son saying "Mother of mine", or "Sister of mine". It sounds weird as the actual name of the character. They are actually credited as their original characters before the alien family took over them, like Jeremy Baines, instead of Son of Mine.
@@Croftice1 The characters original name is Jeremy Baines but I've always thought of him as Son of Mine. It is a weird name for a character though 😂😊
@@hollymatton474I’ve always gone for "Son of Blood"/"Mother of Blood"/etc.
(They’re the Family "of Blood", and they refer to each other by familial names.)
Regarding last:
Directors: "Don't write anything, just hover."
Her: "Why?"
Directors: "Because if you write anything the fans will spend an ungodly number of hours trying to figure out what it means in the continuity of the show..."
Her: "Fair enough."
:D
The oft-cited change of clothes from 13 to 14 is a practical matter that Tennant is a head taller than Whittaker. In-universe, it could be that reverting to a previous face means they already knew what to wear and didn't need to select a new outfit after they'd seen the new body.
If they had to do more than one take she'd be signing a book that had already been signed, not adding ink to a blank page might be less noticeable than adding it to an already signed one.
True. But they should have just given her a pen without ink.
34 years of watching & loving Battlefield (Yeah, I said it) & I didn't know about the sheet. Considering how much trivia I've picked up over that time I'm stunned I missed this gem. Well played, Whatculture, well played.
The Iron Cross is NOT a Nazi symbol, it dates from Napoleonic Era Prussia! It remains the emblem of the modern Bundeswehr to this day.
got removed after mary whitehouse
Curious that it reappears in a later episode for a few scenes. Actually those scene were squeezed into the first block of filming.
@@antonycornell6284 yes
Yall really love that Matt Smith jacket detail. Its in like every other video i watch 😂
omg just realised verity newman is named after verity lambert, the first producer of doctor who in 1963, who passed away in 2007. RIP.
The Newman part of the name is after Sidney Newman who commissioned Doctor who in the first place
Joan Redfern basically named her daughter after "John Smith's mother". In the episode "Family of Blood" (the second part of the two parter "Human nature" & "Family of Blood") Joan is interrogating John Smith about his past (in order to find out, if he's really this mysterious Doctor character) and he stated, that his parents were Verity and Sydney (a nod to Verity Lambert and Sydney Newman indeed). And this daughter then married someone called "Newman" (preferably with Sydney as their first name) and named their daughter also Verity. It's not uncommon, that some people share their names with their parents. So there you have Verity Newman, the granddaughter of Joan Redfern.
The kid from Love actually and Khaleesi's brother were there.
A post editing scene that I can never unsee is the Doctor’s rooftop speech with the Atraxi in Eleventh Hour, it was obviously cut and pasted from a couple of different shoots/takes as you will see the Pertwee style burgundy velvety jacket in Rory’s arms, then on the floor then back in his arms and again on the floor during long shots.
Head canon: he just needed to set it down for a bit while The Doctor was talking.
I knew its name was Elizabeth Tower! (Funny the scene of the annoying man 🤣)
*actually*that's Oscar from the Office U. S. (actually is kind of his catchphrase 😉)
They probably reshot the signing scene many times and didn't have a bunch of prop books to "ruin" with her writing in it. and then have to use a different book for a different take.
Regarding the boots, when Tom was given a new costume for season 18 designer June Hudson paired It with a pair of shoes and also socks. Tom had worn his buccaneer boots since The Deadly Assassin and he did wear the shoes for The Leisure Hive and Meglos but switched back during the E-Space set of stories (Full Circle, State of Decay and Warriors Gate) then kept 'em for The Keeper of Traken and Logopolis. Peter's first full story was Four to Doomsday and so when it came to Castrovalva the full season 18 costume was worn as it was originally meant to be, resulting in Pete wearing shoes and then discarding it as he wandered around the TARDIS dealing with the after effects of the regeneration, before finishing up with the cricket outfit which had been made four stories previously.
Meglos was filmed out of order as was most of the stories State Of Decay, Meglos then Full Circle
I read that they simply couldn’t find the boots!
@@Sewmarkfrancis they were toms he looked better in the boots
About the horned Viking helmets.... They were actually space helmets for cows, a call back to William Hartnell's _The Time Meddler_ serial. 😉
I always wondered if Verity Newman knew who The Doctor was - had he made himself known to her in the interim? Or when he saw her in the bookshop was that the first time they had met?
I think the idea is that they had not met but based on the way the Doctor seemed to care personally about Joan and what Verity knew from her grandmothers accounts, she seems to work out who he is, accept that its some weird miracle meeting him or whatever and get on with life, believing the impossible.
@@ivymoon5084 Hynes' face says it all to me, she works out It's him
The script for the episode, according to The Writer's Tale, clarifies that she pieces together in that moment that this IS John Smith, but chooses not to comment.
I'm totally here for Capt Jack's fluidity! #anythingwithapulse priceless line!
I think there should be a distinction made between "intentional", and "planned." For example, the hand the vortex manipulator was on was intentional, but not planned.
Frankly I'm surprised that the producers were given the authority to destroy the Tower at all, it's no surprise they didn't have the budget to do it again.
Also back when it happened the tower was called Clock Tower, it wasn't named Elizabeth Tower until 2012.
[I'm joking]
[and I'm not joking]
8:06 for a split second i thought she was going to say "150 YEARS" 🤣
Davros is equally terrifying if not more so in Genesis
6:18 - Well done! Finally, someone called the clock tower by its correct name. ❤
In Bells of Saint John when the Doctor takes Clara out to find the, you can clearly see reflected in the Doctor's helmet, the camera that is mounted on the mobile rig that is pulling the motorbike with Matt & Jenna on it. To think the whole scene could have been fixed with either a less shiny helmet or a handful of dirt!
Are we supposed to believe this is some sort of Magic Xylophone?
Boy, I sure hope someone got fired over that one
I had not seen Verity (Lambert) (Sidney) Newman hover signing ...
One mistake that was definitely intentional is the fact that Classic Who persisted for 26 SEASONS.
How about the continuity error where Clara stops on the bike TWICE in the TARDIS
I have noticed frequently that sometimes a shot will be shown twice from two different perspectives. I don't know if that's particular to certain directors or not, but it's definitely a thing. (The exploding ship in 'Family of Blood' is a good example- the explosion is shown more than once from different angles for effect.)
the doctor's TARDIS may not care that much for Clara herself but she does love thief and clara did save the doctor's life multiple times apparently she removed the steps to keep clown sorry clara from being harmed
Um the bike was anti-grav, same as in the Bells of St. John, so a few small steps wouldn't really hurt the clown sorry Clara. I think it was just convenience for the shot of the rear wheel doing F&F: Tokyo Drift stunt, which would probably be fairly impossible with the steps in place. Coolness factor wins.
Tom baker is extremely tall. I had always assumed his boots just didn't fit Peter Davidson.
I was not aware of the mirror flipping at all (especially on first watches), so that was a neat bit of trivia. As far as the Time of Angels moment where the jacket wearing doctor and non jacket wearing doctor, it took me until the final montage for that to fully click. Sneaky indeed!
Speaking of changing clothing they may use this mistake and make it canon for David Tennant's Doctor.
I do feel like the whole viking thing and certain historical inaccuracies can be left to go by the wayside like the whole no horns on helmets for real vikings because of the fact that like well... It's a sci-fi show. A spaceship didn't crash into Elizabeth tower so I'm like easy explainer it's an alternate reality with slightly different bits of history.
The only unexplained thing I can think of is an interaction between Clara and the 12th Doctor when he snaps his fingers inside the TARDIS and closes the doors, and Clara snaps her fingers and the doors reopen. This goes on a few times before 12 gives in and lets Clara stay, even though he was trying to leave her behind to protect her. I can't remember the name of the episode, but I believe it was shortly before her death in the later episode Face the Raven.
It happens in The Caretaker, a Series 8 episode, that takes place in her school. And Clara leaves being very suspicious.
@@Kicia84 yes, THANK YOU! I was having a brain fart and couldn't remember the season or episode, even though I'd just finished rewatching everything not a month ago, lol.
@@nactrumofficial5450 It was indeed the Caretaker and you've got it mixed areound. Clara was actually snapping to close the door and stay in the TARDIS, while 12th was snapping to open them and get Clara to leave, because he didn't want her with him for that "mission". Yes, he was protecting her, but not in that she'd stay in the relative safety inside the TARDIS, but in that she leaves and he would go on a deep undercover mission on his own, which happened to be in her school anyway. It's interesting, how our brains sometimes play tricks with us, having those events and bits mixed up. I mean it happens a lot, that's just how our brains work, so cheers.
9:25 Haven't seen _Love, Actually,_ but I have seen Thomas Brodie-Sangster as Ferb Fletcher on the Disney XD animated series, _Phineas & Ferb,_ alongside Vincent Martella as Ferb's stepbrother, Phineas Flynn.
Not a sixteen year holiday; a seven year holiday. Why do you keep forgetting the 1996 movie?
Bronsage horns on Wagner hats on "vikings" is sooo 1935.
For _Battlefield_ they should have just used pieces from The Master's or The Rani's TARDIS set instead.
[I'm joking]
The whole not writing in the book thing seems a bit silly - shy not write in the book for real? But it's a fun little bit of trivia. Thanks for another wonderful video!
The book not being autographed I noticed right away when I saw the episode
love that you read the comments.
we do
The Fourth Doctor was not the longest serving Doctor. Twelve was the Doctor for over a billion years.
I don't want to be "that person" but... In 2005 the Elizabeth Tower was still called simply clock tower. It didn't have a proper name and was called Elizabeth Tower as part of the jubilee in 2012.
When it comes to things like the horns on the Viking, I take it for granted that DW happens in an alternate universe to ours, so things are not exactly the same as our reality.
Yes. And the Vikings in The Time Meddler also had horned helmets ("What do you think that is? A space helmet for a cow?") so making Capaldi's Vikings have them too is good continuity.
I like the sneaky little inclusion of Blackadder's own time travelling foray. Wouldn't Rowan Atkinson make a great doctor tho!!!?!
What about Clara snapping her fingers whilst wearing gloves after getting off the motorbike…
It is not that hard to do. I can snap my fingers while wearing leather gloves, oven gloves, latex gloves, greased latex gloves, rubber gloves, and kevlar gloves.
@@Tim.Stotelmeyer How about while wearing an Infinity Gauntlet?
@@WhoCulture I have not tried that yet. Would like to try to some day.
Big Ben is actually the nick name for the bell.
All this fuss about regenerating shoes seems a bit silly now the doctor has regenerated a whole suit 😅
Anything with a pulse? You give Jack waaaay too much credit
Nyder's cross looks like a Rifle Brigade or King's Royal Rifle Corps Maltese or Patee cross, the centre has a small 'post-horn' and the top has a small crown, making it a British derived from Bavaria decoration.
In the fifth doctor episode Castrovalva the tardis is out of control, and to stabilise it several rooms are jettisoned, the pool, the library and the regeneration room. Yet in the new series, when the doctor is rescuing River, he opens all the doors to the pool?
Surely that's just the TARDIS equivalent of growing your hair back out.
and he tells young Amelia Pond that the pool is in the library
@@Tempirius Also, it's known to have several of one kind of room. I remember there being 2 squash courts or something like that lol
After the incident with House jettisoning some of the rooms the Doctor mentioned having to replace the bedrooms, so presumably the pool and library were replaced the same way.
@@wendyheatherwood, Or 20 years later, someone who wasn't a super fan anally focused on details was unaware those rooms were jettisoned. Just like they forget that the TARDIS is a mathematical construct
It would’ve been nice to have seen the steps folding up or folding down for Clara, though
If they were intentional then they are not mistakes...
2 notes. having to fuck with continuity to get a scene to work isn't "an intentional mistake" It's more accurate to describe it as an artistic choice. secondly, thye should have really kept the lack of step for Capaldi's tardis to make it wheelchair accessible imo.
I actually didn't remember the steps at all in the console room.
I thought it had always been a smooth surface, but it seems that wasn't a permanent thing till 12 did some redecorating.
as if quantum mechanics, by itself, isn't advanced enough...
5:26 idk why but it sounds like a high pitch British voice but ik it’s just Ellie’s voice lol 😂😂
But it is TOTALLY within Jack's character to have two of em.
N°5 - it’s clearly a space helmet for a cow!
I wish that we could go back to when the Tardis hated Clara
As fun as it was for the Tardis to be jealous of a companion and I loved those interactions it never made sense to me why it would be Clara, after all if it weren’t for her The Doctor would’ve went for a different Tardis.
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There was another and, to me, rather pointless mirror flip in Asylum of the Daleks at time position 5:15 - one scene where the dalek's guns and suckers were on the wrong side. There was also a glaring continuity error around 17:50 where the dalek that Rory approaches is missing its left dome light during the shots from behind the dalek, while those from behind Rory show it with the light intact.
Ok... as an American.. even I know know that the clock tower is actually Elizabeth tower, not Big Ben.. its crazy the misconception of it amd how long its gone on for.. its like calling our Empire State Building the Sears Tower
Yeah, O.K. A mistake is not alwasy a mistake.
As a fan of the Office U. S the use of Oscar and Angela twice made me laugh
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5:00 That is Norse, Dan, or Northman. Viking means raiding, Vikingr means raider.
The Norse and Danes were of a number of tribes, including the Geats, or the Rus (who did quite well in Rus-sia).
Did you not know? They are not Viking helmets......
re horned helmets: Historical errors in the Peter Capaldi era were pretty much par for the course.
What about the stonking mistake of making Matt Lucas a regular?
I liked Matt smiths character
Matt Lucas was not a mistake.
Didn't know the reason Tom's boots go is because he owned and took them, that's quite amusing. There other continuity errors between Logopolis and Castrovalva too such as its clearly a different time of year and the trees are green now (L filmed Decemeber '80; C Sept '81), his hair has gone from brown to blonde and something to do with the ambulance saying sussex on the side and the Pharos enclosure being established in Cambridge I think (tbf, they're at a completely different location altogether so amazing that didn't end up being more jarring xD). Also the presence of Tegan's bag when they enter the TARDIS contradicts as she wasn't carrying it in previous scene/s. But oh well xD
Loved this , thanks Ellie
lol I like how #1 is obviously intentional we just don't have the reason for it
Thanks
2.38, is that luitenant Gruber from 'Allo 'Allo in the back...? (The gay Nazi tank commander) -nice ?unintentional? crossover/cameo
My mistakes in army of ghosts the sign changes and in evolution if the daleks the Dalek symbols are wrong
yeah Pertwee regeneration the same he has his knee up he does this alot but tom baker both legs down, Toms Hat in Terror Of The Zygons in the scene hatless, scanner on alien ship hat on,
"I don't want to go."
4:52 sixteen year holiday? Pretty sure you mean seven!
#11: The Timeless Child
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Looking for easy likes are we? :P
@@minicle426 😛😛😛
We know who she is! 🤣
Was the name Verity in honor of producer Verity?
cool
While some of these have in-univetse explanations, most of the explanations were behind-the-scenes. While still interesting, I confess that I find that slightly disappointing.
One of the things I love about Dr Who that many people don’t notice, on the outside the door says “pull to open”, but the doors open inward not outward. So he always pushes to open.
That’s because those instructions refer to the phone cabinet (behind the sign), not the box itself.
The problem with the easy ride tribute is the movie ends with Dennis Weaver and Peter Fonda get gunned down by a couple of good old boysin a pick up truck; which basically spoils the whole movie.
Hopper. Dennis Hopper; Dennis Weaver wasn't in Easy Rider...😉😁
@@willmfrank I think your right. Somehow I get those two mixed up.
The iron cross may have been the German military symbol but was not a symbol used by, and corrupted as the svastika was, the Nazi party. Vikings is a modern term. In their time, they were called Norsemen.
Old Norse manuscripts used the word viking, but as a verb. You could go a-viking. Norsemen refers to people of a specific region (btw, of both genders, a fifth of all vikings were women) but people from outside that region were also said to be a-viking if raiding.
@@jonathanday6692, yup, and modern people can INTERPRET old and ancient languages but are, in good probablily inaccurate or plain wrong. Also, a verb does not(always) make it also a noun. I bet you the Latin taught today would be laughable to the original speakers.
3:35 or he had another one in his pocket
The vikings having horned head armer did spoil the episode for me,after all he has surprisedly gone back in time ,it brakes the illusion if its not factually correct .