My favourite? In "The Doctor's Wife" the Ponds are in a console room and about to be jettisoned by House. When the room is jettisoned... the Ponds are teleported to another console room. Why's this deep? In "Castrovalva" (1982), Tegan, Nyssa and a barely conscious Doctor have to jettison a quarter of the TARDIS to provide thrust to escape Event One. When Tegan realises the Console room might well be jettisoned, she frets and asks what happens if the console room is jettisoned. Unfortunately the Doctor's just passed out... The answer took roughly 40 years to arrive.
I still believe that that scene in 'Tooth and Claw' where 10 and the Haemovariform are both listening through a wall that they cannot pass (impregnated with mistletoe, plus the sonic still can't do wood...) is a foreshadowing that you (or at least, I) didn't realise until that moment in 'Doomsday' when 10 and Rose (the Bad Wolf) are both listening through a wall they cannot pass... Not gonna lie, I cried.
I go with the theory that when 7’s body was breaking down, samples from the nearest human was used to fill in the gaps during regeneration, and when he regenerated, the human DNA was flushed out.
@@kyrakia5507 that too. Apparently in the original script, his father was supposed to be Ulysses, but that was dumb to me. I rather have the Doctor basically being a loon in the timelord’s eyes
@@kyrakia5507 The Master identifies him as half human because of the biological composition of his eyes as was shown in the Eye of Harmony in the TARDIS before the Doctor says it, there was no lie there
two different sources since have given a twist to the half-human theory. 1: in the Big Finish audio story "Apocalypse Element" after the Daleks invade Galifrey, the Doctor attempts to slow down the Daleks advance through the Capitol by deleting all Time Lord retina codes for the door locks (the Daleks used extracted eyes from wounded Chancellery Guard to open the doors) and program the retina of his companion Evelyn as the master key. At the end of the story he advises Evelyn not to stare too close, in case there are lingering effects of her retina access codes in the TARDIS. 2: in an Eighth Doctor comic he tells about how he tricked his enemy into thinking he's half-human using a broken Chameleon Arch.
Well, technically speaking, River and Jack are from the same time period, so it's entirely possible in the future with all these time agents running around that the pair of them meet!
That was my thought as well, although yes it's possible that she got it all from the TARDIS, I think it's more possible that she already had them seeings how the Library is in the 51st century
They did! While I'm not sure how canon it is, there was audio adventures in which River and Jack actually had quite the romance, before River ultimately knew she had to go back to the Doctor, her true love.
#2, another point towards the Doctor being all too aware that good people suffer is my favorite moment out of all of the series. The Doctor Dances. "Give me a day like this one." "Everybody lives, Rose! Just this once EVERYBODY LIVES!"
River's sonic blaster has a white grip. Jack's is brown. Jack comes from the 51st century, and that's when River studies archaeology. It shouldn't be surprising that they use similar technology.
Just like how Clara got alot of hate for "replacing" Amy, her appearance immediately following Rose's departure would always leave fans (or atleast me seeing as Rose and Jackie Tyler are my favorite characters) with a bad taste in their mouths
@@zemoxian Wasn't there an episode where River or Jack mentions how scarce those guns, were, because someone blew up the only factory that had ever made them? Which, of course, turns out that the "someone" was the The Doctor?
@@alexcontreras8189 no didnt river "buy " the vortex manipulator" from Dorian? jack was wearing his vortex manipulator when he was killed and used it to go back to 1890ish where "this thing burnt out"
@@philiprice7875 @krisgonynor689 First for Kris: Yes, in 'The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances' 9 tell Jack the factory where the 'sonic square gun' was manufactured blew up. And in its place was a banana factory. Phil, you are correct. River bought the vortex manipulator from Dorian. Jack still had his for quite some time after jumping back to the late 19th century. Other than time jumping, it has a lot of different functions he utilized. Especially when he was with Torchwood. Later, with Martha's help, he got the coding to fix the 'manipulation' feature in "Journey's end." He then used it to lock on to the TARDIS and find the Doctor during the Dalek invasion. Where 10 gets shot by a dalek on the street and has to regenerate to himself, right before the meta crisis.
@@66Stixx- that was Regeneration No. 11 according to The Time Of The Doctor. That episode really added more weight to David’s final line being “I don’t want to go,” when you realize he knew that was supposed to be the last time he could regenerate and he feared going into what he thought would be his final lifetime
7 Regenerations in the classic series (if you include the movie) And in Smith's timeline there have been 5 (if you include McGann to Hurt and Tennant to Tennant)
I think the Doctor being half-Human on his mothers side is fine because Time Lords aren't born Time Lords (Aside from special circumstances like River) their made through a process developed by Rassilon, so not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords and vice versa not all Time Lords are Gallifreyan. Their is a precedent for a Human and Time Lord relationship as the Doctor's companion Leela a Human canonically got married to a Time Lord Andred.
Nowadays you may even marry a stone... marriage not always brings children and not all children spring from marriage (we are not in Xanth here) - Susan was left behind on an devastated Earth with her freedom-fighter in 2150 - there are so many abandoned time-lines the Doctor left some markers in...
With River and Jack it's as simple as they are from the same time, the 51st century. This is when Jack says he was in the Time Agency, it's also when Demons Run was, Moldovian and the period in which River attended Lunar University, and served her time in the Stormcage prison, and also included presumably for a while the weapons factory that make squareness guns, and which the Doctor at some point blew up. So hardly surprising they use similar technology.
I was confused by 11s reference to having the ability to regenerate 507 times in the SJA. After all, 13 was the number given in canon since the classic series. I figured it was a quick and nasty way to get writers out of a corner that classic Who writers had written them into decades earlier, not fully cognizant of the longevity of the show, or how many actors would actually play the part. But there was an important distinction within Clive's question: he asks "how many times can you do that?", not "how many lives do you have". It could be read that a time lord had the ability to regenerate 507 times, but that they artificially put a limit on it. And there's plenty of references in canon, both classic and new to support that idea, although it's technically all fan-fic until it's actually confirmed. 507 also seemed like a completely arbitrary number to me, and then I started wondering if it was, in fact, a multiple of 13. It seemed like it could be and, much to my surprise, when you divide 507 by 13, you get 39.... which, amazingly, is ALSO a multiple of 13 (39 ÷ 13 = 3). I figured that MUST have been deliberate. I'd be very surprised if it's not, even more surprised than the fact that that wasn't mentioned in this video! 😉😁
57 is close to the number 50 ("L" in Roman for Legion).When the Doctor is told he has 50 Roman soldiers (precisely a legion) he says, "That's hardly a Legion," perhaps because he was thinking of 57.😀
Speaking of "The Silence In The Library"/"The Forest Of The Dead", another possible moment with a deeper meaning is River's conversation with Donna, who gets rather confrontational when River tries cryptically to explain that she knows the Doctor, to which Donna asks her where she herself is in the future, only for River to give her a downbeat glance. While most people intend this as a tragic foreshadow of how Donna will have her memory wiped at the Doctor's own hands after the Meta Crisis incident with Davros and the Daleks, it's also quite worthy to note that Donna does look somewhat similar to River's mother, Amy. And Amy herself is confrontational in "A Good Man Goes To War" when she forces her daughter to identify herself. It might not have occurred to Steven Moffat given how similar Catherine Tate and Karen Gillian look that Donna's bossy and confrontational attitude might have reminded River of her mother, whose death River was still trying to deal with.
@@The_Farwall It’s also the attitude. Honestly my ranking for companions is: Rory Donna Amy Sarah-Jane Ace … … Clara. I honestly find it incredibly difficult to decide if Amy or Donna is favourite out of the two. I’ve weighed it up so many times. - Both don’t take nonsense from the Doctor or anyone else. - both are aggressive when they’re being defensive. - Both demonstrate the capability to take care of themselves. - Both are clever. - Both value the Doctor as the turning point in their lives. As for differences in character: - Amy is focused on Rory. Donna has her Granddad, but is more Doctor-focussed. - Donna generally has a more open sense of humour. Not to say that Amy doesn’t, but Donna was generally funnier. - Amy stared, but Donna didn’t when faced with a naked Doctor. So, the way they get defensive is the same, as is the way they worry about others. They’re also very much independent women. The only major reason why I prefer Donna over Amy is the same reason why Rory is at the top. Fantastic character development. Plus, Donna always felt more alive to me. The upshot is that their personalities are a bit similar, even if their physical traits are different. Although the hair does play into it. And, you don’t have to be identical to someone else for others to see bits of them in you. Because they only see *bits* of them in you. My neighbour reminds me of the woman who played Harriet Jones. Doesn’t mean they’re the same, but I did have some amusement for a few years while the character was around. And then there’s the biggest similarity - one which all companions share. They will leave eventually, and rarely be referred to again, even by their own Doctor. So, River was probably thinking anywhere between the fact that one day each of them will be left behind, that the Doctor will be alone again until he finds someone else, remembering when she saw that happen, thinking about when it will be her turn, and when it will be Donna’s turn. Although she obviously recognised Donna’s name, too. So, a giant stew pot. She doesn’t have to be thinking only one thing in that short moment. River is half Timelord, even if she gives up the ability to regenerate. She can probably think fast enough to cover all that ground.
In re-watching the first episodes, I just thought that the line "Fear makes companions of us all.." was a nifty way to introduce the concept of the "Companion" to the show...
Doctor: Every time the TARDIS materializes in a new location, within the first nanosecond of landing, it analyzes its surroundings, calculates a twelve-dimensional data map of everything within a thousand mile radius, and determines which outer shell would blend in best with the environment.... And then it disguises itself as a police telephone box from 1963.
Let's put one thing to rest here, when Martha askes the Doctor if he has a brother, he wasn't talking about the Master, he was talking about his ACTUAL brother Irving Braxiatel, who disappeared during the Time War and presumed dead.
@@gaz0428 Me too! I don't understand why they never did, I mean they already named dropped him once, why not bring him in fully into the show? It would be such an interesting new dynamic they could explore with the Doctor
"The best character..." Yes, obviously. Goes without saying. An unaging Irishman? I had no idea I was in the show. I really need to finish up 13's era. Moffitty woffity? I completely and unreservedly endorse the use of this phrase. Also, I am awe of the talent it takes to repeat Donna's weird rhymes. Those were deeper than I thought. Also, weird thing, I'm getting older WhoCulture videos in my suggestions, videos I;ve already seen. It's not a problem, I just thought it was weird. And of course I rewatched them. Thanks for the new ones. Keep up the good work.
Also, there are a few, well, not exactly deep references, but easter eggs in some of the scenes shown in this video, like in The Timeless Children, when you see The Child aka The Other with Rassilon and Omega, they did cast an actor for Rassilon who resembled Don Warrington who voices the character on the audios. And the kid in the bed in Listen was cast based on an image of a young William Hartnell. Considering how Rassilon appears very briefly and we don't see the boy's face in Listen, I have to applaud the production team for going extra lenghts for these scenes even though they didn't need to.
Ah... back when men actually wore cummerbunds as part of their formal wear, as opposed to exposing their gut as they do now (and their damned long ties). I still wear a cummerbund WITH a self-tied bow tie with my tuxedo/dinner jacket (Cary Grant is my style idol).
"Show mercy to your own brother.." could have just as well been figurative, as in "brother Time Lord", rather than literal. It just would have fed the debate...
"Genesis of the Daleks" in 1975 also had the Doctor tell Davros that the first Dalek invasion of Earth was in the year 2000... I must've missed the news that year... ;-)
All his stuff wasn't on board the TARDIS, unless Jack had a spare Vortex Manipulator, because he was using it prior to his reunion with the Doctor. He said, that he arrived in the 20th century, where this thing *pointing on his VM on his arm* broke and he got stuck in that time period and had to go the longer way, instead of jumping to the current Doctor at that time. Sure River could later get her hands on Jack's manipulator, as did Kate Stewart and few others ... I mean there is a scene, where she negotiated with Dorium Maldovar about a Vortex Manipulator taken out of a hand of a handsome Time Agent (presumably Jack), so yea. But all his things weren't in the TARDIS, when Jack was abandoned.
River got Jack's vortex manipulator from dorian. Maybe she got the gun then too? Or she just got it from the factory before the doctor blew it up and they planted the banana Grove.
That was presumably a different time agent. Not necessarily Jack’s. Though I suppose if he lost a hand it would grow back. So I can’t totally rule it out.
The people who wrote the ads for Heinz products used the blurb "57 varieties" even though it was not (at the time) the number of different products that they made. I expect Russell T remembered that when he seized on the number as an all purpose exaggeration.
This is me in this shot 5:39 and the this one 5:43 . I can confirm that Gallifrey is in fact not in Ireland, it's actually in Wales. Cardiff Bay to be precise.
Nice video! If I remember correctly, in the « day of the Doctor » intro, 11 says he just came back from the 100th anniversary with « all the 57 Doctors ».
I always got the impression that the doctor and master had been lovers and a failed relationship with the master being gilted is what originated the conflict
the timeless child was a horrible thing and ruined dr who for a lot of people but it would have been good and it would have worked if they had it as the master was the timeless child and theres a bit of him in the doctor and thats where his regenerations and all of gallifrey culture comes from, maybe theyll retcon that if they ever reference it again
Thanks for bringing the Ireland = Galifrey thing to the fore. I pointed out this link (and had to explain it) when it first became apparent that the visions were the Doctor's - though this was never shown and she never mentioned these visions in the context of the show, which seemed yet another bizarre choice by Chibnall.
So the Doctor's name is John Braxiatel??? St. John's Ambulance is often written on the bedge that is stuck on the TARDIS door - he has to read it every time he tries to enter👀 My theorie of the Doctor's heritage: Father (Ulisses) was this Gallifreyan adventurer who stumbled on an exiled Time Lord on Earth that lived together with a loomed Gallifrayan servant girl, who believed herself to be human - but when the young people fell in love, they were able to produce offspring and the old Time Lord revealed the secrets of his female companion. But the very young doctor still felt the human influences on his mother.
Where is that stated please? I only know Brax from Bernice Summerfield, I got up to audios 11.4 and The Story So Far, two boxsets. He's a quite a cunning user is Brax, I'd never visioned him as the Doctors brother so that's unexpected. Mind, completely unrelated I know but I adore Braxiatels voice 😍
@@LisaBeta-42 it is believed that while Brax is the son of Ulysses, he does not share the shame mother as the Doctor. The Doctors mother was human, her name was Penelope Gate.
No disrespect to people who enjoy the novels, but the Doctor having a brother called Irving Braxiatel is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and I've seen The Timeless Children.
Professor River Song has left the Library, Harmony Pond has been Saved. Did CAL save her mid regeneration. So a baby River is still in the Library waiting for Lady Me to come to recover her diaries.
Also division is a clever name for the organisation as in the 60s British police would report to there district divisions, divisions where the headquarters of police regions, so police box and division and the doctor, it all works. I hate timeless child but the division I’d like to see stick around
Ellie, you are great when talking about the nerdy stuff you love. Please be on more Trekculture. I mean: Sean is great, but changing it up with your voice/appearance is amazing.
Square-nosed gun. Not squareness gun. You pick up a lot more of the details when you watch with subtitles turned on. Furthermore, since both the Vortex Manipulator and Jack's sonic blaster originated in the 51st century, it is entirely possible that River acquired both of them in that century. Isn't it?
Wait, we don't need to explain how River has a squareness gun. Ok, maybe it's the same one Jack left, but also maybe it's just another squareness gun. At no point did we think that either of the guns Jack or River use are unique magical items. We could all have squareness guns once we've travelled to the future point that produces them.
If Clara's predecessors at coal Hill first heard the saying, what if it got passed down to clara through the teachers at the school, so thats how clara first heard it? Who composed beethovens fifth?
Here a wild theory... maybe river just had another squareNess gun lol its not a stretch of the imagination to think there is most definitely more than just one of them.
Far be it from me to think RTD won't glom onto the-Master-is-his-brother trope, but Chibnall kinda put the kibosh on that with his senseless retcon of the timeless child. However, rule one - the Doctor lies. Cheers....
Tecteun was the greates lier of them all - she did not explore the universe at all, but was a lowly technician cleaning up bugs and hiccups inside the Matrix - there she found an entity who had manifested inside the stored data and was looking just like a helpless child. She extracted said child and claimed it as her own. The special features of this matrix-born child pushed the Gallifreyan evolution from Space Lord to Time Lord! Later the Time Lords banished this immortal child back into the Matrix, but used the data it consisted of, to enhance loomed Time Tods: If they now mix up with biological reproduction the percentage of "TLC energy" might surpass save levels and create roughe Time Lords like the Doctor an all hisfriends from the Academie
TTC is neither senseless nor a retcon, and no-one will be undoing it either. If you’re not prepared to achieve even a modicum of intelligence, then I recommend leaving civilised conversations for those of us who are so capable.
In the Doctor's Wife, Idris / tardis mentions a large number of Control room variations, implying that there are more than the usual number of Doctor incarnation / regenerations.
the relationship between the doctor and the master is very complex and i don't fully get it but since the doctor called him his "man crush" i never considered them being brothers to be a possibility ha ha also great video, as always! 😊
I don't believe "brother" was ever meant to be literal. More along the lines of a battle buddy/brother in arms. They both trained at the Time Academy and served for Division.
I can't wait for the 60th & David & Catherine's return... But I just hope it's all done & written well.. because I feel for Jodie , she was a great actor who was dealt bad scripts & stories.. and realistically the show running Into that sour patch , was nothing to do with her.. its not like she actually had a say on stories & decisions , is what I mean.. and yet she received so much bullshit for it. With Someone as sentimental as Tennant & Tate , just hope it's all been done right & time was taken.
'on brand' is now a meaningless phrase in relation to this programme, isn't it. As for: The Doctor and the Master are brother: Yes, they are. That was pre-established. Which means that "The Timeless Children" is utter nonsense. _Not_ sorry, _fuck_ your feelings, the Doctor was _never_ a thousand little POC children before he was William Hartnell.
Ellie it is adorable how you say F-ing. It just doesn't sound right coming out of your mouth. I guess being American myself it's just funny hearing it said with your proper British accent.
Nanogenes were introduced in Jack’s first story, so my theory was that River and Jack were the same person at different stages in their lives. Both lived in the 51st century, had shared tech, among other parallels. Had the Doctor stuck around longer in The Library, she would have woken up and escaped the Vashta Nerada with her vortex manipulator. Add in HoRS, where she says she has used nanogenes to keep herself looking young for 200 years. Too bad that Kovarian nonsense erased that theory.
Very disappointed with this Episode wanted a big entry to show the badass, scary, cool doctor. But we get a stalker doctor?? And his reaction to some events makes no sense at all.
My favourite? In "The Doctor's Wife" the Ponds are in a console room and about to be jettisoned by House. When the room is jettisoned... the Ponds are teleported to another console room. Why's this deep? In "Castrovalva" (1982), Tegan, Nyssa and a barely conscious Doctor have to jettison a quarter of the TARDIS to provide thrust to escape Event One. When Tegan realises the Console room might well be jettisoned, she frets and asks what happens if the console room is jettisoned. Unfortunately the Doctor's just passed out... The answer took roughly 40 years to arrive.
I remember the secondary (auxiliary?) Console Room in Tom Baker's run.
I didn't like it
the rooms were deleted not jettisoned
I heard the Kevin Lindsay story before and it still amuses me every time. "I come from the f*cking place, so I should know." Love it.
I still believe that that scene in 'Tooth and Claw' where 10 and the Haemovariform are both listening through a wall that they cannot pass (impregnated with mistletoe, plus the sonic still can't do wood...) is a foreshadowing that you (or at least, I) didn't realise until that moment in 'Doomsday' when 10 and Rose (the Bad Wolf) are both listening through a wall they cannot pass... Not gonna lie, I cried.
That is one hell of a shout my friend, nice spot
Knowing how RTD added little hints before the series finale, it was probably deliberate.
We all cried.
I cried too.
Oh man, so good to see another Rose fan. That season hands down my fave. Wish Billie Piper and Tennant could've done more
I go with the theory that when 7’s body was breaking down, samples from the nearest human was used to fill in the gaps during regeneration, and when he regenerated, the human DNA was flushed out.
I go with the theory that he lied
@@kyrakia5507 that too. Apparently in the original script, his father was supposed to be Ulysses, but that was dumb to me. I rather have the Doctor basically being a loon in the timelord’s eyes
@@kyrakia5507 The Master identifies him as half human because of the biological composition of his eyes as was shown in the Eye of Harmony in the TARDIS before the Doctor says it, there was no lie there
two different sources since have given a twist to the half-human theory.
1: in the Big Finish audio story "Apocalypse Element" after the Daleks invade Galifrey, the Doctor attempts to slow down the Daleks advance through the Capitol by deleting all Time Lord retina codes for the door locks (the Daleks used extracted eyes from wounded Chancellery Guard to open the doors) and program the retina of his companion Evelyn as the master key. At the end of the story he advises Evelyn not to stare too close, in case there are lingering effects of her retina access codes in the TARDIS.
2: in an Eighth Doctor comic he tells about how he tricked his enemy into thinking he's half-human using a broken Chameleon Arch.
@@BMakabre that’s definitely better. Now to to get rid of the other hybrid problem lol
Well, technically speaking, River and Jack are from the same time period, so it's entirely possible in the future with all these time agents running around that the pair of them meet!
"Hello, sweetie"
"And, who ate you?"
"Stop it!" 😂
That was my thought as well, although yes it's possible that she got it all from the TARDIS, I think it's more possible that she already had them seeings how the Library is in the 51st century
They do in Big Finish
They did! While I'm not sure how canon it is, there was audio adventures in which River and Jack actually had quite the romance, before River ultimately knew she had to go back to the Doctor, her true love.
#2, another point towards the Doctor being all too aware that good people suffer is my favorite moment out of all of the series. The Doctor Dances. "Give me a day like this one." "Everybody lives, Rose! Just this once EVERYBODY LIVES!"
River's sonic blaster has a white grip. Jack's is brown. Jack comes from the 51st century, and that's when River studies archaeology. It shouldn't be surprising that they use similar technology.
When they first introduced Donna I wasn’t thrilled. Now she’s one of my favorite companions cause of how sassy she is
I agree she was funny caring and showed great emotion
I loved that there was no love intrest there, just a platonic true friendship.
Exactly I didn't like her at first
Just like how Clara got alot of hate for "replacing" Amy, her appearance immediately following Rose's departure would always leave fans (or atleast me seeing as Rose and Jackie Tyler are my favorite characters) with a bad taste in their mouths
@@tokyodeathghoul2313 I didn't like her mostly cause of how loud and obnoxious she was in that first episode
River song got the vortex manipulator and the squareness gun from dorium. Who got them from a very attractive time agent (jack).
I assumed the Squareness Gun is 51st Century tech. That’s when Captain Jack came from, and River went to university at approximately the same time.
That’s what I always thought. Could probably pick one up at a 51st century Walmart. 🤷♂️
@@zemoxian Wasn't there an episode where River or Jack mentions how scarce those guns, were, because someone blew up the only factory that had ever made them? Which, of course, turns out that the "someone" was the The Doctor?
Didn't the Doctor take the vortex manipulator away from Jack, which is where River acquired it? Did he also take the squareness gun that she had.
@@alexcontreras8189 no didnt river "buy " the vortex manipulator" from Dorian?
jack was wearing his vortex manipulator when he was killed and used it to go back to 1890ish where "this thing burnt out"
@@philiprice7875 @krisgonynor689 First for Kris: Yes, in 'The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances' 9 tell Jack the factory where the 'sonic square gun' was manufactured blew up. And in its place was a banana factory. Phil, you are correct. River bought the vortex manipulator from Dorian. Jack still had his for quite some time after jumping back to the late 19th century. Other than time jumping, it has a lot of different functions he utilized. Especially when he was with Torchwood. Later, with Martha's help, he got the coding to fix the 'manipulation' feature in "Journey's end." He then used it to lock on to the TARDIS and find the Doctor during the Dalek invasion. Where 10 gets shot by a dalek on the street and has to regenerate to himself, right before the meta crisis.
5+0+7=12. Time lords have 12 regenerations. That’s why RTD used it so often
I stopped counting after David regenerated into himself by using his severed hand.
@@66Stixx- that was Regeneration No. 11 according to The Time Of The Doctor. That episode really added more weight to David’s final line being “I don’t want to go,” when you realize he knew that was supposed to be the last time he could regenerate and he feared going into what he thought would be his final lifetime
7 Regenerations in the classic series (if you include the movie)
And in Smith's timeline there have been 5 (if you include McGann to Hurt and Tennant to Tennant)
I think the Doctor being half-Human on his mothers side is fine because Time Lords aren't born Time Lords (Aside from special circumstances like River) their made through a process developed by Rassilon, so not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords and vice versa not all Time Lords are Gallifreyan. Their is a precedent for a Human and Time Lord relationship as the Doctor's companion Leela a Human canonically got married to a Time Lord Andred.
and Susan married David back with the first doctor, and had a child
Nowadays you may even marry a stone... marriage not always brings children and not all children spring from marriage (we are not in Xanth here) - Susan was left behind on an devastated Earth with her freedom-fighter in 2150 - there are so many abandoned time-lines the Doctor left some markers in...
I loved that when Jack hung onto to the outside of the tardis, lol, that was great....
With River and Jack it's as simple as they are from the same time, the 51st century. This is when Jack says he was in the Time Agency, it's also when Demons Run was, Moldovian and the period in which River attended Lunar University, and served her time in the Stormcage prison, and also included presumably for a while the weapons factory that make squareness guns, and which the Doctor at some point blew up. So hardly surprising they use similar technology.
2:23 Fun Fact:
in the Big Finish audio Masterful the Ainley Master says: ""Won't you show mercy to your own...?" He always falls for that.".
Great video! Thanks Ellie and Who Culture! 😊😊
I was confused by 11s reference to having the ability to regenerate 507 times in the SJA. After all, 13 was the number given in canon since the classic series. I figured it was a quick and nasty way to get writers out of a corner that classic Who writers had written them into decades earlier, not fully cognizant of the longevity of the show, or how many actors would actually play the part. But there was an important distinction within Clive's question: he asks "how many times can you do that?", not "how many lives do you have". It could be read that a time lord had the ability to regenerate 507 times, but that they artificially put a limit on it. And there's plenty of references in canon, both classic and new to support that idea, although it's technically all fan-fic until it's actually confirmed. 507 also seemed like a completely arbitrary number to me, and then I started wondering if it was, in fact, a multiple of 13. It seemed like it could be and, much to my surprise, when you divide 507 by 13, you get 39.... which, amazingly, is ALSO a multiple of 13 (39 ÷ 13 = 3). I figured that MUST have been deliberate. I'd be very surprised if it's not, even more surprised than the fact that that wasn't mentioned in this video! 😉😁
How many years since the relaunch did we get 13 episodes a year?
Thanks Elle! Love your narrating.
The weirdest thing is that the actress who played Miss Evangelista married Elon Musk twice
Well there's no accounting for taste 😅
57 is close to the number 50 ("L" in Roman for Legion).When the Doctor is told he has 50 Roman soldiers (precisely a legion) he says, "That's hardly a Legion," perhaps because he was thinking of 57.😀
Speaking of "The Silence In The Library"/"The Forest Of The Dead", another possible moment with a deeper meaning is River's conversation with Donna, who gets rather confrontational when River tries cryptically to explain that she knows the Doctor, to which Donna asks her where she herself is in the future, only for River to give her a downbeat glance. While most people intend this as a tragic foreshadow of how Donna will have her memory wiped at the Doctor's own hands after the Meta Crisis incident with Davros and the Daleks, it's also quite worthy to note that Donna does look somewhat similar to River's mother, Amy. And Amy herself is confrontational in "A Good Man Goes To War" when she forces her daughter to identify herself. It might not have occurred to Steven Moffat given how similar Catherine Tate and Karen Gillian look that Donna's bossy and confrontational attitude might have reminded River of her mother, whose death River was still trying to deal with.
Absolute nonsense, they have red hair, that's the beginning and end of any resemblance.
@@The_Farwall
It’s also the attitude.
Honestly my ranking for companions is:
Rory
Donna
Amy
Sarah-Jane
Ace
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I honestly find it incredibly difficult to decide if Amy or Donna is favourite out of the two. I’ve weighed it up so many times.
- Both don’t take nonsense from the Doctor or anyone else.
- both are aggressive when they’re being defensive.
- Both demonstrate the capability to take care of themselves.
- Both are clever.
- Both value the Doctor as the turning point in their lives.
As for differences in character:
- Amy is focused on Rory. Donna has her Granddad, but is more Doctor-focussed.
- Donna generally has a more open sense of humour. Not to say that Amy doesn’t, but Donna was generally funnier.
- Amy stared, but Donna didn’t when faced with a naked Doctor.
So, the way they get defensive is the same, as is the way they worry about others. They’re also very much independent women.
The only major reason why I prefer Donna over Amy is the same reason why Rory is at the top. Fantastic character development. Plus, Donna always felt more alive to me.
The upshot is that their personalities are a bit similar, even if their physical traits are different. Although the hair does play into it.
And, you don’t have to be identical to someone else for others to see bits of them in you. Because they only see *bits* of them in you.
My neighbour reminds me of the woman who played Harriet Jones. Doesn’t mean they’re the same, but I did have some amusement for a few years while the character was around.
And then there’s the biggest similarity - one which all companions share. They will leave eventually, and rarely be referred to again, even by their own Doctor.
So, River was probably thinking anywhere between the fact that one day each of them will be left behind, that the Doctor will be alone again until he finds someone else, remembering when she saw that happen, thinking about when it will be her turn, and when it will be Donna’s turn. Although she obviously recognised Donna’s name, too.
So, a giant stew pot. She doesn’t have to be thinking only one thing in that short moment. River is half Timelord, even if she gives up the ability to regenerate. She can probably think fast enough to cover all that ground.
In re-watching the first episodes, I just thought that the line "Fear makes companions of us all.." was a nifty way to introduce the concept of the "Companion" to the show...
Doctor: Every time the TARDIS materializes in a new location, within the first nanosecond of landing, it analyzes its surroundings, calculates a twelve-dimensional data map of everything within a thousand mile radius, and determines which outer shell would blend in best with the environment.... And then it disguises itself as a police telephone box from 1963.
Wasn't the Chameleon Circuit broken so it got stuck is a telephone box from 60s, because that's where he first landed
Another great video! In any scenario, it is always Sontaran. Sonterran is just, well, strange!
It's Sauntering. I blew the place up so I should effing know.
Deep Moments are always preceded by 'The Cloister Bell'....=))
so true
Let's put one thing to rest here, when Martha askes the Doctor if he has a brother, he wasn't talking about the Master, he was talking about his ACTUAL brother Irving Braxiatel, who disappeared during the Time War and presumed dead.
Glade someone else said this. I happy they never made the Master his brother. But I do want to see Brax in the show.
@@gaz0428 Me too! I don't understand why they never did, I mean they already named dropped him once, why not bring him in fully into the show? It would be such an interesting new dynamic they could explore with the Doctor
@@50shadesofgeek41 I was so convince that the grand Serpent was Brax. Needles to say i was very disappointed when it wasn't.
@@gaz0428 There are a lot of things to be disappointed by with that character to be honest
Still could have been foreshadowing for the ending of the season.
I always enjoyed the 507 line because it equaled 12 which was the regeneration limit.
"The best character..." Yes, obviously. Goes without saying.
An unaging Irishman? I had no idea I was in the show. I really need to finish up 13's era.
Moffitty woffity? I completely and unreservedly endorse the use of this phrase. Also, I am awe of the talent it takes to repeat Donna's weird rhymes.
Those were deeper than I thought. Also, weird thing, I'm getting older WhoCulture videos in my suggestions, videos I;ve already seen.
It's not a problem, I just thought it was weird. And of course I rewatched them. Thanks for the new ones. Keep up the good work.
Gallifrey is in another galaxy: " and Kirk recalls legends of a planet of stagnant time-travellers in the Kasteroborous galaxy on page 200."
I thoroughly enjoy the content of this video ,very informative .
Also, there are a few, well, not exactly deep references, but easter eggs in some of the scenes shown in this video, like in The Timeless Children, when you see The Child aka The Other with Rassilon and Omega, they did cast an actor for Rassilon who resembled Don Warrington who voices the character on the audios. And the kid in the bed in Listen was cast based on an image of a young William Hartnell. Considering how Rassilon appears very briefly and we don't see the boy's face in Listen, I have to applaud the production team for going extra lenghts for these scenes even though they didn't need to.
Ah... back when men actually wore cummerbunds as part of their formal wear, as opposed to exposing their gut as they do now (and their damned long ties). I still wear a cummerbund WITH a self-tied bow tie with my tuxedo/dinner jacket (Cary Grant is my style idol).
"Show mercy to your own brother.." could have just as well been figurative, as in "brother Time Lord", rather than literal. It just would have fed the debate...
"Genesis of the Daleks" in 1975 also had the Doctor tell Davros that the first Dalek invasion of Earth was in the year 2000...
I must've missed the news that year... ;-)
All his stuff wasn't on board the TARDIS, unless Jack had a spare Vortex Manipulator, because he was using it prior to his reunion with the Doctor. He said, that he arrived in the 20th century, where this thing *pointing on his VM on his arm* broke and he got stuck in that time period and had to go the longer way, instead of jumping to the current Doctor at that time. Sure River could later get her hands on Jack's manipulator, as did Kate Stewart and few others ... I mean there is a scene, where she negotiated with Dorium Maldovar about a Vortex Manipulator taken out of a hand of a handsome Time Agent (presumably Jack), so yea. But all his things weren't in the TARDIS, when Jack was abandoned.
I really enjoyed this, thank you 😊
Capaldi also said missy was literally like his man crush though didn’t he? I just watched that
The episode 42 was likely a salute to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
River got Jack's vortex manipulator from dorian. Maybe she got the gun then too? Or she just got it from the factory before the doctor blew it up and they planted the banana Grove.
River purchases Jacks items from Dorian Maldovar, this is in seen in the episode "The Pandorica Opens".
That was presumably a different time agent. Not necessarily Jack’s. Though I suppose if he lost a hand it would grow back. So I can’t totally rule it out.
Anyone ever curious as to what memories Jack lost from the time agency? He mentioned they stole 2 years of his life away
did u guys ever notice the episode day of the doctor the phrase NO MORE was first uttered by dalek Kahn in the episode Journey's End?
The people who wrote the ads for Heinz products used the blurb "57 varieties" even though it was not (at the time) the number of different products that they made. I expect Russell T remembered that when he seized on the number as an all purpose exaggeration.
This is me in this shot 5:39 and the this one 5:43 . I can confirm that Gallifrey is in fact not in Ireland, it's actually in Wales. Cardiff Bay to be precise.
Nice video! If I remember correctly, in the « day of the Doctor » intro, 11 says he just came back from the 100th anniversary with « all the 57 Doctors ».
The concept of the Doctor and the Master being brothers was used in a screen test of Paul McGann for the film
I always got the impression that the doctor and master had been lovers and a failed relationship with the master being gilted is what originated the conflict
the timeless child was a horrible thing and ruined dr who for a lot of people but it would have been good and it would have worked if they had it as the master was the timeless child and theres a bit of him in the doctor and thats where his regenerations and all of gallifrey culture comes from, maybe theyll retcon that if they ever reference it again
Thanks for bringing the Ireland = Galifrey thing to the fore. I pointed out this link (and had to explain it) when it first became apparent that the visions were the Doctor's - though this was never shown and she never mentioned these visions in the context of the show, which seemed yet another bizarre choice by Chibnall.
Good list. Thank you.
"Where on earth is gallifrey" might wanna look in a red quarry
The Doctor had a brother, Irving Braxiatel (Brax). He also had several unnamed sisters.
So the Doctor's name is John Braxiatel??? St. John's Ambulance is often written on the bedge that is stuck on the TARDIS door - he has to read it every time he tries to enter👀
My theorie of the Doctor's heritage: Father (Ulisses) was this Gallifreyan adventurer who stumbled on an exiled Time Lord on Earth that lived together with a loomed Gallifrayan servant girl, who believed herself to be human - but when the young people fell in love, they were able to produce offspring and the old Time Lord revealed the secrets of his female companion. But the very young doctor still felt the human influences on his mother.
Where is that stated please? I only know Brax from Bernice Summerfield, I got up to audios 11.4 and The Story So Far, two boxsets. He's a quite a cunning user is Brax, I'd never visioned him as the Doctors brother so that's unexpected. Mind, completely unrelated I know but I adore Braxiatels voice 😍
@@LisaBeta-42 it is believed that while Brax is the son of Ulysses, he does not share the shame mother as the Doctor. The Doctors mother was human, her name was Penelope Gate.
No disrespect to people who enjoy the novels, but the Doctor having a brother called Irving Braxiatel is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and I've seen The Timeless Children.
Professor River Song has left the Library, Harmony Pond has been Saved. Did CAL save her mid regeneration. So a baby River is still in the Library waiting for Lady Me to come to recover her diaries.
Not calling River's pistol the "Square-shooter" isn't acceptable.
Also division is a clever name for the organisation as in the 60s British police would report to there district divisions, divisions where the headquarters of police regions, so police box and division and the doctor, it all works. I hate timeless child but the division I’d like to see stick around
Ellie, you are great when talking about the nerdy stuff you love. Please be on more Trekculture. I mean: Sean is great, but changing it up with your voice/appearance is amazing.
In The Eleventh Hour the Doctor calls the Atraxi, citing Article 57 of the Shadow Proclamation…
Square-nosed gun. Not squareness gun. You pick up a lot more of the details when you watch with subtitles turned on. Furthermore, since both the Vortex Manipulator and Jack's sonic blaster originated in the 51st century, it is entirely possible that River acquired both of them in that century. Isn't it?
Rose calls it a squareness gun. I'm very confident in that. It's not an "o" sound she makes.
Wait, we don't need to explain how River has a squareness gun. Ok, maybe it's the same one Jack left, but also maybe it's just another squareness gun. At no point did we think that either of the guns Jack or River use are unique magical items. We could all have squareness guns once we've travelled to the future point that produces them.
Blimey! Deep, innit?
Sppoky! I live at No 57 and love Heinz Beans!
In the visula guide it mentions that the gun was stolen
It’s not possible it can’t be the Dalek are half human that makes them impure
If the Doctor and the Master are brothers, then explain the Timeless Child.
If Clara's predecessors at coal Hill first heard the saying, what if it got passed down to clara through the teachers at the school, so thats how clara first heard it? Who composed beethovens fifth?
If the doctor and the master are brothers, that makes twelve and missy’s relationship…a little odd
I’m from Ireland, and I can assure you there are no time lords ladies here no matter how much I wish there were
Didn't river used up all her regeneration to save the doctor in let's kill hitler
57? That's my age. Funny coincidence...
hmmmm...As it relates to galifrey being hidden in ireland..when the 11th Doc regenerated his remark- still not a ginger" .....make sense
I theorize that (Angeline) is the great, great, great, great, great, great, grand daughter of (Amy Pond) & (Rory Williams).
Wasn't floor 507 the top most floor of satellite one? Just asking.
Here a wild theory... maybe river just had another squareNess gun lol its not a stretch of the imagination to think there is most definitely more than just one of them.
Given Missy, 13 and Jo Martin's iteration, shouldn't the Doctor and Master be referred to as siblings rather than brothers?
Far be it from me to think RTD won't glom onto the-Master-is-his-brother trope, but Chibnall kinda put the kibosh on that with his senseless retcon of the timeless child. However, rule one - the Doctor lies. Cheers....
I’m still hoping the Master lies, too, and Timeless Child will be wiped from existence.
@@jasonjack7606 amen, brother!
Tecteun was the greates lier of them all - she did not explore the universe at all, but was a lowly technician cleaning up bugs and hiccups inside the Matrix - there she found an entity who had manifested inside the stored data and was looking just like a helpless child. She extracted said child and claimed it as her own. The special features of this matrix-born child pushed the Gallifreyan evolution from Space Lord to Time Lord! Later the Time Lords banished this immortal child back into the Matrix, but used the data it consisted of, to enhance loomed Time Tods: If they now mix up with biological reproduction the percentage of "TLC energy" might surpass save levels and create roughe Time Lords like the Doctor an all hisfriends from the Academie
TTC is neither senseless nor a retcon, and no-one will be undoing it either.
If you’re not prepared to achieve even a modicum of intelligence, then I recommend leaving civilised conversations for those of us who are so capable.
Perhaps rule number 2 is: the show runner lies?
In the Doctor's Wife, Idris / tardis mentions a large number of Control room variations, implying that there are more than the usual number of Doctor incarnation / regenerations.
"57", eh? Well, at least they didn't use "42"... ;-P
the relationship between the doctor and the master is very complex and i don't fully get it but since the doctor called him his "man crush" i never considered them being brothers to be a possibility ha ha
also great video, as always! 😊
This, and, when the Master became the Mistress, there was fantastic sexual tension between them. If they were related…ew. No.
Hasn't he mentioned multiple times that they were best friends growing up together on Gallifrey?
I don't believe "brother" was ever meant to be literal. More along the lines of a battle buddy/brother in arms. They both trained at the Time Academy and served for Division.
the original script for the 96 movie had the doctor find out that the master was his brother, and that they were half human on their mothers side
Where on Earth is Gallifrey? Why it's in South Wales of course like the rest of the universe.
Jack and river got married
I can't wait for the 60th & David & Catherine's return... But I just hope it's all done & written well.. because I feel for Jodie , she was a great actor who was dealt bad scripts & stories.. and realistically the show running Into that sour patch , was nothing to do with her.. its not like she actually had a say on stories & decisions , is what I mean.. and yet she received so much bullshit for it.
With Someone as sentimental as Tennant & Tate , just hope it's all been done right & time was taken.
You Any ~ one could EASYERLY do a hole day , week , on the hidden meaning ' s of this F ~ GREAT SHOW and it Still would Not be enough
Perhaps RTD always has a bottle of Heinz on hand for inspiration.
The doctor already has a brother the great Irving braxiatel
“Well _I_ think it’s SonARen. I _come_ from the effing place, so _I_ should know!”
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It's a TV show, always going to be wired things, I'm sure it has a lot of different writers...
'on brand' is now a meaningless phrase in relation to this programme, isn't it.
As for: The Doctor and the Master are brother: Yes, they are. That was pre-established. Which means that "The Timeless Children" is utter nonsense. _Not_ sorry, _fuck_ your feelings, the Doctor was _never_ a thousand little POC children before he was William Hartnell.
Ellie it is adorable how you say F-ing. It just doesn't sound right coming out of your mouth. I guess being American myself it's just funny hearing it said with your proper British accent.
Nanogenes were introduced in Jack’s first story, so my theory was that River and Jack were the same person at different stages in their lives. Both lived in the 51st century, had shared tech, among other parallels. Had the Doctor stuck around longer in The Library, she would have woken up and escaped the Vashta Nerada with her vortex manipulator. Add in HoRS, where she says she has used nanogenes to keep herself looking young for 200 years.
Too bad that Kovarian nonsense erased that theory.
Very disappointed with this
Episode wanted a big entry to show the badass, scary, cool doctor. But we get a stalker doctor?? And his reaction to some events makes no sense at all.
57 ketchup
When I wayched The episode with Brendon I originally thought he was the Lone Cyberman.
It would have been great
This videos like veiw comparison is weird
“Say what you like about the cyber men and timeless child.”….
Ummm ok
Nothing🤣
It’s odd that rtd would use daleks as his mouthpiece for the whole half human thing
Define “deep”!
I didn't like how Stephen Moffatt turned the Sontaran into a harmless nothing. Instead of a big threat.
1:34 Pffft.