I think a lot of people are bored with the 670, it always seemed under powered an slow for a drag rail. The Ducati isn't a good fit but you should find something with similar power that will work, even if you have to modify the frame a bit, It would be way more interesting to watch.
@@ClumsyCars I guess that gives credence to their conclusion that they need to build a rear engine/mid seat rail for direct drive and keep the driver away from the moving bits in the event something goes wonky and bad things happen.
Hey guys Im from north Ohio/south Michigan, plenty of cheap running snowmobiles here. I can easily help you find one. Email me if interested mecanicapagan@yahoo.com
Yup, build a new rail and keep the old one as-is, it was a good start to a unique idea. Build a new rail with a much more powerful engine in mind from the start. Putting a 900cc engine on a chassis that can barely handle 600cc is a problem just waiting to happen.
If you do make a new rail/dragster make it rear engine so its direct power on to the axle instead of a bunch of jackshafts and risk of snapping one and chains falling off.
At the point of them building a rear engines rail, it would be much smarter for them to buy a jr dragster or jr.comp(jr's designed FOR motorcycle engines) and stiffen up the frame for safety purposes since they're bigger and heavier than the kids who drove them
can you guys please say what rear sprocket you used on the axle? i am building a gsxr1000 kart right now and am having gearing troubles. can everyone please like this so they see? thanks
PLEASE build a rear engine dragster for the Duc. DO NOT use chromoly tubing!!! As per NHRA chassis specs, you can use mild steel UP TO 7.50 in the quarter. I can give you all the information you need for the chassis. PM me if interested.
THANK YOU!!! Leave the rail as is! LOVE that thing! Smart move guys. That said, a 2 stroke rear engine rail is the best idea Issac's ever had! (and he's had A LOT of good ones) Maybe use an old Toyota small truck rear diff? It's what they use in Legend (or Dwarf) cars and they seem to hold up to that abuse very well. Plus you'd be able to get different rear diff gear sets from the Legend car aftermarket.
I was thinking a front diff from an IFS 4x4 might even work. Bolt the wheels where the CVs would bolt up (make sure you grab one where the CVs bolt on rather than splining in). Much narrower than a mini-truck rear axle but should still be hell for stout for what you're doing, even if you go for a lighter-duty aluminum-cased unit to save weight. Might need to weld up the vacuum lockout on some models, that wouldn't be hard though.
Turn the engine sideways, run a chain down to a driveshaft and put in a shaft driven rear end. Then you can build a tunnel around the driveshaft and not have to worry about your legs and stuff.
Your idea is spot on. Build a new rear-engined drag rail with a snowmobile engine. You have learned a lot from your first project which will help you in the new one. And then for the existing rail, put on a new engine and fix any issues with the frame. And of course the same treatment for the ducarti. This way you end up with 3 sick go karts instead of sacrificing 2 to make 1.
@@legorailroader844 yeah, but 1: the 215 makes more hp stock then the flathead with considerable parts put into t, and 2: it is an all aluminum engine as opposed to cast iron.
How about a new rail with a more modern bike engine? You could probably find one that has been crashed pretty easy. Having something fuel injected and liquid cooled would be a new area for you guys.
I love the 80hp ducarti, I love the 670cc drag rail, I agree they do not need to be mixed lol, build another rail, never can have too many toys!, have a Merry Christmas and Happy new year! God bless :), you guys are awesome
Watching an older video of the rear axle, I thought I saw rear drive axle flexing, by the wobble in the rear tire. It definitely needs a heavier rear drive axle, and jackshafts. One of the newer Polaris 700-800cc engines would be scary fast, and would have fuel injection, as well as oil injection.
My thoughts: - I agree with all of Ike's points; as badass as it would be...why? More 'cons' than 'pros' - You would have to re-engineer the ENTIRE chassis of the rail to handle a torque monster 900cc V-twin (or is it an L-twin? lol), there's no way the frame and driveline could handle that. You'd probably have to add a whole rear suspension setup to mitigate the inevitable axle hop, too. And that's still expecting a LOT of the strength of the metal alone. Again, it's just not gonna happen. - A smaller bike engine could be more feasible for the rail, like a 500 twin from a Honda CBR500R. I'm planning to put on one a big kart/small buggy that I bought a while ago. - As y'all said, a snowmobile engine would be cool to try. It would make things quite a bit easier, too, since the snowmobile already has a belt drive torque converter and jackshaft setup. They come in both air cooled and water cooled varieties and there's tons of options to choose from. Just gotta make room for a parallel twin. A water cooled engine might be a better choice, considering it'll mostly be used in warm weather. - One thing to keep in mind with a 2 stroke engine (snowmobile or otherwise) is the exhaust; the exhaust is very specifically designed with an expansion chamber which is required/essential part of the two stroke engine cycle, and it is specifically tuned for the engine. Plenty of good articles on the internet explaining this process. Basically, you'll need to account for a lot of extra room and some bracing/support for the exhaust system. - I'd definitely like to see the Ducarti get reinforced and refurbished and keep it's engine. I would also look into adding some bushings to the engine mounts and braces; I don't think having it so rigidly mounted is the best choice. It would definitely make it a bit smoother to operate, too. - As far as a powerplant for the rail, I think a new direction would be a welcome change of pace. I know Predator engines are your bread & butter, but I think the people would like to see something different and unique, considering the overwhelming response towards putting the Ducati engine on the drag rail. Obviously, it'll probably take some time to figure something out that actually fits, and as Ike said, building a new, safer, rear-engined chassis for a different engine might be the way to go, and stick with the Predator 670 with the current drag rail, despite the trouble you've had with that engine.
When the man that says it will be fine says not a good idea it’s probably not as I’ve said before me and my three year old love the show and thank you for safety first. We even got my dad watching you guys. Thanks for a kid friendly show we enjoy and always remember safety ain’t no accident. And yes I know ain’t ain’t a word and you ain’t supposed to say it !
I too like the kid friendly atmosphere. I watch it with my grandson with the hope of inspiring him. As a kid I did similar stuff, just not to this degree. A Homelite wheelie tractor and a Briggs powered Stingray bike to name a few. Kids need to put the game controller down and do something real.
Been a subscriber for a long time now... respect the decision you made and just want to say how awesome it’s been watching Cars And Cameras evolve into what it is. It’s inspiring learning with you two on your different projects, makes for good after work entertainment. Wish you both well in the new year and cannot wait to see what you two have in mind for this new rail! Hope to see it in the works soon. Snowmobile motor, gsxr motor, BOOSTED gsxr motor 🤩🤩🤩 we can dream...
The Dukarti is a savage beast! It needs to live! ......just build another rail eventually with the engine in the back this time...I love what ur doin guys, keep up the great work, this channel is awesome
Sorry only one thing for it and that's build another that's perfect for that engine and keep your 670 on that one its standard to build the car round the power source.
Yup. With a snowmobile engine. Like a 600 snowmobile engine with injections. But the cooling might be a problem. Older sleds will work better without snow.
@@jonteh5285 a water cooled snowmobile engine with a decent radiator and fan should be fine for the warmer climate. Might have to adjust the carburetor(s) a little, or if it has fuel injection, it'll probably adjust on it's own.
Are you guys going to open up a museum featuring all your old projects? If not then you built it, you ran it, you conquered it. The videos will live forever!. Reuse parts and modify and make bigger and better. Rear engine Rail👍🏻👍🏻
#newrail. Not sure if i could be more excited for a new rail project! You guys did such a good job on the first one the next will be GREAT. Just make sure to build it to handle 200hp or more.
I love the way John behind the camera sounds like the voice of viewers "why can't we just _____" and Ike is the voice of reason saying "it won't fit like that, it's dangerous, it's not strong enough". If this combination being infeasible leads to a new rear engine two-stroke rail, I'm happy :D
I think you're making the right decision for sure! I was yelling into my phone "build a rear engine rail" as you guys talked about putting the Ducati engine in the rail now. I was relieved once you came up with the rear engine rail and keep what you have already. Cant wait!
I'm with Ike This aint right. This is too dangerous. It will seriously mess up the drag rail. I only took some glances at that board list he made. But I'm with him.
omg yes! you said everything i have been saying for awhile now. mid-passenger, rear motor fresh build! don't cut up 2 killer projects! never thought about sled engine because i thought it would be cool to hear you shifting down the strip, but it would be fast! what about something like an old CR500 2 stroke? checks all the boxes. 2 stroke, shifting, and oh yeah....stupid fast!!! great job as always guys!
Please please beef up the Ducarti chassis. I see people putting some crazy engines on karts but I have no clue exactly what would be needed to make it safe. The wear on that frame is kinda scary and I question whether it is even safe to use. As you say, safety becomes more of a priority as age increases.
I have a couple KX500'S there good for around 70hp of very reliable screaming 2stroke fun in a stock configuration , and can be turned into big bore monsters. I think stock is impressive enough, will out run the brakes on the bikes is what I tell people and they never understand until they ride one and invariably all will return mumbling "Yes, it will outrun the brakes". I imagine that feeling would be multiplied on said rail cart. I've thought of a cart for a long while, just hadn't imagined a shifter setup as of yet that wasn't overly sketchy or expensive. Thought of buying a rolling chassis off of eBay but just not familiar at all with carts so haven't taken the plunge. Not sure where you gentlemen are but I probably won't use more than one of the 500's if that's a direction you've considered. Keep the videos coming guys, I never figured at 50 I'd be watching go cart vids but their just as fun now as they were when I was a wee lad. Definitely more fun than the day I stalled one on top of a yellow jackets nest at about 12 yrs old...
It only makes sense to use that engine or one making similar power or more, on a drag rail. If its going to be this big long rail that can only do straight aways, it might as well do fast lol. Glad you guys are finally doing this
if you decide to run a snowmobile engine a gas golf cart differential is similar to the centrifical clutches on a snowmobile might help to simplify the drivetrain
I believe a classic Harley V twin is shorter than that Ducati. A new rail would be awesome but the old rail deserves a chance to shine! Also if you guys figure out a new power plant for the green rail and build a new rail for the Ducati then you guys could Duke it out at the strip!
Plz build another rail but get the dimensions of a top fuel car and scale them down to fit the motor...the blueprints are online keep the 670 in the original rail but add a turbo to the Ducati
You weren't joking u actually thought they should do it thats why u said it then when I said something about the price of one u started back pedaling don't try and play a troll to a troll it won't work playa
Guys, I think that you should do maintenance and what mods you thank they need, put them back in service and keep them as first time projects. That being said, I think you guys would really enjoy starting another first which could be a rear engine, maybe two stroke rail job. You’ll are really good at coming up with new projects so good luck and listen to your gut as well as your viewers but stay on the safe side.
Some Sea Doo's from the late 90's are cheap and have similar 2 strokes that you'd see on a snowmobile. I suspect these would be much easier to find and cheaper than a snowmobile or a Honda cr500 engine. I'd love to see a new mid engine rail using what you learned from the previous one. Keep the Ducati engine on the cart.
jayden blain maybe they could make a coolant system for it. I don't really know where the intake for water would be but they may be able to put on a radiator and coolant reservoir
@@bigfootandbananaman4746 oh yea for sure, its just a lot of extra work, snowmobiles use the same motors usually and already have save a cooling system.
I agree completely. There’s no need to destroy 2 pieces of art just for 1. I say start from scratch. I’d like see a new build series some time in the future.
If scoping out snowmobile engines, might be worth looking into rotary powerplants too. Very compact, stupidly rev-happy, and you're likely wanting power more than efficiency. Plus it'd also be something even more different. As cool as the Ducati swap sounded, Ike's got a very good point of the chassis not being ideal. So yeah, it'd be better to start over from scratch. Just fix the other cart already suited to it, and make it more solid.
@@vailosquiet8678 Honestly they could just use one of those. Without all the electronics (switching to carb) and a simplified ignition system it really wouldn't be much bigger (if at all) than the engines they're using. There's probably some hacky way to control the oil injection somewhere out there too. Compared to the usual V6 or V8, the engine bay on a rotary car is surprisingly empty. The first time you see it and say "That's it?" makes clear the PWR on those. Only thing better is electric, but the batteries make up for it in that case.
The snowmobile engine idea is great!! the rail can even stay a 670 if you were to pickup a 670 Rotax engine out of a Ski doo. and they push out around 120hp.
All of yall posting comments before watching are going to be sadly disappointed. Edit. Why are you so worried about the firewall when you literally have it beside your head on the cart?
It's like having a wheel covered in mud spinning next to you, rotating the same way you're facing, vs. in front of you. Which one is going to cover you more in mud?
Dont kill the Ducarti!!!!! that thing is a beast!! plus you put so much work into it! I wanna see you guys fix the frame, put a rear wing on it, clean it up and see how fast you can get it on the track like a Formula1 gokart! Make another big dual motor dragster aswell for another episode!!!
@@hillbillyholler516 if they build something they were talking about putting the motor behind them so they didn't have that problem. So it'll be basically like a top fuel car setup or any new rail dragster with the motor behind the driver
@@hillbillyholler516 With proper safety loops, I don't see why it would be problem. I'd much rather have a shaft. A U-joint failure is about the only way that could go bad.
I would love to see a new rear-engine rail on the channel!!! Plus I would love for the original rail to stay the same as well as the Ducarti... either way I would and still do love the content on the channel!!!
The yamaha 340, 440, 485, and 540 cc air cooled engines are bullet proof. Have driven them for years. My current toy is a 1991 polaris indy 500 with the fuji 488 liquid cooled. Great engine with good power and twin mikuni's. That said I imagine you want to save weight and a liquid cooling system wont help you any. Hope that helps some. Cant wait to see a new rail even if it takes a while. Side by side shoot out of the OG and the 2.0 will be pretty cool!
1st of all keep the Ducarti. It is a great go kart in its own right just the way it is. When you are delving into a real drag ster driving on a real drag strip with uncertified welds and uncertified technology you may want to think twice. Up until now you've been grabbing many bikes and carts and just throwing engines on them without regard to whether the frames can handle it. I would love to see you build another dragster and Chrome Molly tubing is the way to go, and magna fluxing your welds or liquid dye penetrate the welds to make sure they are sound is something you need to think about. I wanna see you build a new drag ster but remember it's not a kids go card anymore if the thing comes apart on the drag strip it may have devastating consequences besides just breaking. Do Not be like Nike and just do it. Think about how you're going to accomplish it and do lots of research 1st. Once you have done your feasibility study then do it.
Safety FIRST! I saw a guy do 105 against a Dodge Charger at El Mirage dry lake. He was driving a sit up go kart with a Honda 305 twin powering it. Later that day a front spindle bearing seized up and dumped him at about 40 MPH. He was skinned up and his pregnant wife was not pleased.
I think a lot of people are bored with the 670, it always seemed under powered an slow for a drag rail. The Ducati isn't a good fit but you should find something with similar power that will work, even if you have to modify the frame a bit, It would be way more interesting to watch.
Are you high dude? The 670 is badass. The "slowness" isbecause of the CVT.
olli lehtonen not really it's a farm engine meaning doent have much speed it's more about torque
Their jackshaft setup is robbing power.
@@ClumsyCars I guess that gives credence to their conclusion that they need to build a rear engine/mid seat rail for direct drive and keep the driver away from the moving bits in the event something goes wonky and bad things happen.
@@mynameisntleo that would be cool see a second drag rail rear engine style vs the ducati rail
PLEASE WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO BEFORE POSTING A DEROGATORY COMMENT ABOUT HOW THIS SWAP WILL TOTALLY BE FINE.
Good call on that comment
You guys should bring the ducarti to the dragstrip
5:55 he looks terrified 🤣 this is awesome!!
Hey guys Im from north Ohio/south Michigan, plenty of cheap running snowmobiles here. I can easily help you find one. Email me if interested mecanicapagan@yahoo.com
I would just build a modern-day mini dragster ...that would be sweet
Yup, build a new rail and keep the old one as-is, it was a good start to a unique idea. Build a new rail with a much more powerful engine in mind from the start. Putting a 900cc engine on a chassis that can barely handle 600cc is a problem just waiting to happen.
"wrenches aren't hammers, John!"
all tools are hammer, unless it's a screwdriver, then it's a pry bar!
Or chisel if a cheap one!
Hammers aren't wrenches!
@@mikusoxlongius umm yes it is.
If you do make a new rail/dragster make it rear engine so its direct power on to the axle instead of a bunch of jackshafts and risk of snapping one and chains falling off.
Thats what they said they were going to do if they build one.
Bout to comment the same thing. 👍👍
At the point of them building a rear engines rail, it would be much smarter for them to buy a jr dragster or jr.comp(jr's designed FOR motorcycle engines) and stiffen up the frame for safety purposes since they're bigger and heavier than the kids who drove them
Would be rad to see a rail with a 2stroke snowmobile engine! Get that built and then race it against the DuKarti.
850 then?
@@erikkvam1081 yes , but high compression and ported 150hp
That would be nice
I was thinking a 3 cylinder 2 stroke snow mobile engine
I was thinking that too. It might be hard to find one of those in the south though.
Rear engine rail sounds like a good idea. Safety first. Thanks for the video.
New one sounds good. There's people kind enough to give you guys a snowmobile engine. Good luck!
Little did they know….
The two stroke ducarti killer is coming
Please just build a new rail it would be cool to see both rails go head to head
Yes
I agree
you should try to find a inline 4 maybe a Honda 900 on the rail! you guys are doing a great job!
That would be so cool to se two rails head to head
can you guys please say what rear sprocket you used on the axle? i am building a gsxr1000 kart right now and am having gearing troubles.
can everyone please like this so they see?
thanks
PLEASE build a rear engine dragster for the Duc. DO NOT use chromoly tubing!!! As per NHRA chassis specs, you can use mild steel UP TO 7.50 in the quarter. I can give you all the information you need for the chassis. PM me if interested.
Yes. Kit cars use schedule 40 mild steel tubing. Were taking kit cars with a 0-60 of 2.5 seconds. Dfkitcars on instagram
Is that for a cage or for a dragster?
Why can't you use Chromoly?
Joseph Ross its hard to weld
@@michaelbriggs5737 and expensive
THANK YOU!!! Leave the rail as is! LOVE that thing! Smart move guys. That said, a 2 stroke rear engine rail is the best idea Issac's ever had! (and he's had A LOT of good ones) Maybe use an old Toyota small truck rear diff? It's what they use in Legend (or Dwarf) cars and they seem to hold up to that abuse very well. Plus you'd be able to get different rear diff gear sets from the Legend car aftermarket.
But air cooled behind you??? How are you going to cool it???
@@shua242 big scoops on the side...
Yessss but older r1 engine and a better build frame dragster
Josh Zimmerman you mean like a beetle? Or all the early Porsches? As well as the Messershmits and BMW Isetta. It can be done. It’ll be fine ;)
I was thinking a front diff from an IFS 4x4 might even work. Bolt the wheels where the CVs would bolt up (make sure you grab one where the CVs bolt on rather than splining in). Much narrower than a mini-truck rear axle but should still be hell for stout for what you're doing, even if you go for a lighter-duty aluminum-cased unit to save weight. Might need to weld up the vacuum lockout on some models, that wouldn't be hard though.
Ike is right, start from scratch
New drag rail, definitely!
Guys, I have an extra snowmobile sitting my garage you can have! I’m in northern Illinois. Hit me up
If they don't want it, I'd love to take it off your hands! Not sure if you'd do the same deal for me haha, but I'm in Aurora IL if that's the case!
@@beerandhorsepower3018 im over in Romeoville!
Hope they see this
I’m in Saint Charles! If they don’t want it, I would be interested!!
Turbo it
That look on Ike's face @ 5:56 - 5:57 when he sits down behind the Ducati engine
LOL! priceless! 🤣
Thumbs up! 👍🏻
looks a bit concerned doesn't he
@@hairycat6095 Yup, I laugh every time I watch that part... 🤣
Drag rail is my favorite hands down however it does need a beefier engine
Kevin Parsons not at all 🤮
@Kevin Parsons it's a dragster not a fox body mustang. 😆
Add a turbo
obvious awnser is to build another rail that can handle the power and speed safely. we can wait. just make it happen
Turn the engine sideways, run a chain down to a driveshaft and put in a shaft driven rear end. Then you can build a tunnel around the driveshaft and not have to worry about your legs and stuff.
That's exactly what I was thinking
That wouldn’t work with the steering I don’t think
@TheApprentice Morgan has no problem with their S&S powered 3 wheeler and it has a sideways engine.
100% Make another rail, it will be Awesome sauce.
Yes a new rear engine drag rail would be cool especially with a trans
Your idea is spot on. Build a new rear-engined drag rail with a snowmobile engine. You have learned a lot from your first project which will help you in the new one. And then for the existing rail, put on a new engine and fix any issues with the frame. And of course the same treatment for the ducarti. This way you end up with 3 sick go karts instead of sacrificing 2 to make 1.
I’m up for a new drag rail! Maybe even one that can hold a really small v8
like a Hartley H1, lol way out of their price range though, it is about $30-$40k.
Don't forget about the classic 221ci flathead ford. They're pretty small and make 85hp.
@@legorailroader844 I think a Buick/Rover 215 engine would be a better fit maybe?
@@Skwisgar2322 true but the ford has more aftermarket.
@@legorailroader844 yeah, but 1: the 215 makes more hp stock then the flathead with considerable parts put into t, and 2: it is an all aluminum engine as opposed to cast iron.
How about a new rail with a more modern bike engine? You could probably find one that has been crashed pretty easy. Having something fuel injected and liquid cooled would be a new area for you guys.
START NEW!
Yes start new
With a gsxr engine!!
Go full out and make a strong rear engine rail
Def start new
REAR ENGINE RAIL!!!!!!!!!
Whatever you guys think I'm behind you.... I will always support your channel.......JJ...
I love the 80hp ducarti, I love the 670cc drag rail, I agree they do not need to be mixed lol, build another rail, never can have too many toys!, have a Merry Christmas and Happy new year! God bless :), you guys are awesome
Start new ..rear eng. 2 stroke dragster would be nice to see..
New rail with a snowmobile engine. Would be sick
Watching an older video of the rear axle, I thought I saw rear drive axle flexing, by the wobble in the rear tire. It definitely needs a heavier rear drive axle, and jackshafts.
One of the newer Polaris 700-800cc engines would be scary fast, and would have fuel injection, as well as oil injection.
I say build a new rail, get a new motorcycle engine and go north! Long live the Ducarti!
900 in the rail? I wish I could thumb this up more than once
Get ready to downvote it
@@lilhojo123 Yea I typed too soon :( but the logistics to make it work seems complicated. I don't blame them.
My thoughts:
- I agree with all of Ike's points; as badass as it would be...why? More 'cons' than 'pros'
- You would have to re-engineer the ENTIRE chassis of the rail to handle a torque monster 900cc V-twin (or is it an L-twin? lol), there's no way the frame and driveline could handle that. You'd probably have to add a whole rear suspension setup to mitigate the inevitable axle hop, too. And that's still expecting a LOT of the strength of the metal alone. Again, it's just not gonna happen.
- A smaller bike engine could be more feasible for the rail, like a 500 twin from a Honda CBR500R. I'm planning to put on one a big kart/small buggy that I bought a while ago.
- As y'all said, a snowmobile engine would be cool to try. It would make things quite a bit easier, too, since the snowmobile already has a belt drive torque converter and jackshaft setup. They come in both air cooled and water cooled varieties and there's tons of options to choose from. Just gotta make room for a parallel twin. A water cooled engine might be a better choice, considering it'll mostly be used in warm weather.
- One thing to keep in mind with a 2 stroke engine (snowmobile or otherwise) is the exhaust; the exhaust is very specifically designed with an expansion chamber which is required/essential part of the two stroke engine cycle, and it is specifically tuned for the engine. Plenty of good articles on the internet explaining this process. Basically, you'll need to account for a lot of extra room and some bracing/support for the exhaust system.
- I'd definitely like to see the Ducarti get reinforced and refurbished and keep it's engine. I would also look into adding some bushings to the engine mounts and braces; I don't think having it so rigidly mounted is the best choice. It would definitely make it a bit smoother to operate, too.
- As far as a powerplant for the rail, I think a new direction would be a welcome change of pace. I know Predator engines are your bread & butter, but I think the people would like to see something different and unique, considering the overwhelming response towards putting the Ducati engine on the drag rail. Obviously, it'll probably take some time to figure something out that actually fits, and as Ike said, building a new, safer, rear-engined chassis for a different engine might be the way to go, and stick with the Predator 670 with the current drag rail, despite the trouble you've had with that engine.
CrazyIvan1337 are you writting a novel?😂
5:56 priceless look on Isaac's face haha.
I really hope you guys can find a snowmobile engine! OMG I can barely imagine a drag rail that sounds like a snowmobile!!! It would be sooooo awesome!
When the man that says it will be fine says not a good idea it’s probably not as I’ve said before me and my three year old love the show and thank you for safety first. We even got my dad watching you guys. Thanks for a kid friendly show we enjoy and always remember safety ain’t no accident. And yes I know ain’t ain’t a word and you ain’t supposed to say it !
It's a perfectly ok word to use. It's a LOT better than like.....
I too like the kid friendly atmosphere. I watch it with my grandson with the hope of inspiring him. As a kid I did similar stuff, just not to this degree. A Homelite wheelie tractor and a Briggs powered Stingray bike to name a few. Kids need to put the game controller down and do something real.
Please make another rail this thing is my favorite build on the show
thatBAT dude6606 exactly what he said!!! I 10000% agree I love the rail! The rail is what got me so into the show!!!
A new drag rail would be sick using the a trans for that engine
Been a subscriber for a long time now... respect the decision you made and just want to say how awesome it’s been watching Cars And Cameras evolve into what it is. It’s inspiring learning with you two on your different projects, makes for good after work entertainment. Wish you both well in the new year and cannot wait to see what you two have in mind for this new rail! Hope to see it in the works soon. Snowmobile motor, gsxr motor, BOOSTED gsxr motor 🤩🤩🤩 we can dream...
Rd400 would be trick
The Dukarti is a savage beast! It needs to live! ......just build another rail eventually with the engine in the back this time...I love what ur doin guys, keep up the great work, this channel is awesome
Sorry only one thing for it and that's build another that's perfect for that engine and keep your 670 on that one its standard to build the car round the power source.
Yup. With a snowmobile engine. Like a 600 snowmobile engine with injections. But the cooling might be a problem. Older sleds will work better without snow.
Exactly, build the chassis around the drivetrain.
@@jonteh5285 a water cooled snowmobile engine with a decent radiator and fan should be fine for the warmer climate. Might have to adjust the carburetor(s) a little, or if it has fuel injection, it'll probably adjust on it's own.
@@CrazyIvan1337 Yeah, maybe. But less engine needs less cooling but more engine gets more cooler🤣
Are you guys going to open up a museum featuring all your old projects? If not then you built it, you ran it, you conquered it. The videos will live forever!. Reuse parts and modify and make bigger and better. Rear engine Rail👍🏻👍🏻
110% want to see a new rail. Absolutely positively my favorite rig you guys have imo.
#newrail. Not sure if i could be more excited for a new rail project! You guys did such a good job on the first one the next will be GREAT. Just make sure to build it to handle 200hp or more.
I love the way John behind the camera sounds like the voice of viewers "why can't we just _____" and Ike is the voice of reason saying "it won't fit like that, it's dangerous, it's not strong enough". If this combination being infeasible leads to a new rear engine two-stroke rail, I'm happy :D
Literally before we shot this I was going to act like the viewers who've said "put the Ducati on the rail" and Ike would be reality
I think you're making the right decision for sure! I was yelling into my phone "build a rear engine rail" as you guys talked about putting the Ducati engine in the rail now. I was relieved once you came up with the rear engine rail and keep what you have already. Cant wait!
I like the ducart better tbh, and the 2 stroke drag would be even better
Yeah don't hack up the rail. Just build another one.
I think I speak for everyone when I say thanks for trying to fit it and no matter what you end up doing it will be awesome and I'll be watching!!
I do agree you guys made the right decision.. Two great builds un harmed. Mmmm Snowmobile and ATV mix....interesting.
Build a new rail! Build a new rail! Build a new rail! Build a new rail! Build a new rail! Build a new rail! Build a new rail! Build a new rail!
I'm with Ike
This aint right. This is too dangerous. It will seriously mess up the drag rail. I only took some glances at that board list he made. But I'm with him.
Plenty snowmobiles in the upper states. Some snowmobiles have reverse. Best to go with engine in the rear.
omg yes! you said everything i have been saying for awhile now. mid-passenger, rear motor fresh build! don't cut up 2 killer projects! never thought about sled engine because i thought it would be cool to hear you shifting down the strip, but it would be fast! what about something like an old CR500 2 stroke? checks all the boxes. 2 stroke, shifting, and oh yeah....stupid fast!!!
great job as always guys!
The new rail should have a shifter setup in my opinion
Please please beef up the Ducarti chassis. I see people putting some crazy engines on karts but I have no clue exactly what would be needed to make it safe. The wear on that frame is kinda scary and I question whether it is even safe to use. As you say, safety becomes more of a priority as age increases.
I have a couple KX500'S there good for around 70hp of very reliable screaming 2stroke fun in a stock configuration , and can be turned into big bore monsters. I think stock is impressive enough, will out run the brakes on the bikes is what I tell people and they never understand until they ride one and invariably all will return mumbling "Yes, it will outrun the brakes". I imagine that feeling would be multiplied on said rail cart.
I've thought of a cart for a long while, just hadn't imagined a shifter setup as of yet that wasn't overly sketchy or expensive. Thought of buying a rolling chassis off of eBay but just not familiar at all with carts so haven't taken the plunge. Not sure where you gentlemen are but I probably won't use more than one of the 500's if that's a direction you've considered.
Keep the videos coming guys, I never figured at 50 I'd be watching go cart vids but their just as fun now as they were when I was a wee lad. Definitely more fun than the day I stalled one on top of a yellow jackets nest at about 12 yrs old...
@Ace Buck
Long enough to get both eyes swollen shut, and I generally don't swell with stings, so that will give you an idea....
@Ace Buck
It was worse than the time I rolled it on pavement...
#NohelmetHead4rollbar
It only makes sense to use that engine or one making similar power or more, on a drag rail. If its going to be this big long rail that can only do straight aways, it might as well do fast lol. Glad you guys are finally doing this
The ducarti put you guys on TV...... gotta preserve it...... maybe but a bigger v-twin on the rail...Harley Davidson?
Been here since Rat Rod !
Rex Sterling Buchanan I've been watching their vids for at least a year.
@@garythegokarttp5602 Wow i just looked and it has been 3 years for me !
if you decide to run a snowmobile engine a gas golf cart differential is similar to the centrifical clutches on a snowmobile might help to simplify the drivetrain
900cc snowmobile powered rail would be sick! Please do a rear engine rail with one!
yup don garlits learned that, he blew his foot off then went rear engine
i would love to see a new project from scratch! make it happen :D
I believe a classic Harley V twin is shorter than that Ducati. A new rail would be awesome but the old rail deserves a chance to shine!
Also if you guys figure out a new power plant for the green rail and build a new rail for the Ducati then you guys could Duke it out at the strip!
Plz build another rail but get the dimensions of a top fuel car and scale them down to fit the motor...the blueprints are online keep the 670 in the original rail but add a turbo to the Ducati
@@djaydeved yeah but do u know how much a busa motor is even a used one work with what you have just turbo the Ducati
You weren't joking u actually thought they should do it thats why u said it then when I said something about the price of one u started back pedaling don't try and play a troll to a troll it won't work playa
“Well you’d be dumping the clutch because that’s what you do” lmao 🤣
I would too how else ya gonna burn rubber
Of course, burning rubber is the LAST thing you want to do when launching at the strip.
Use a Polaris Indy 600 engine and it’s a small engine so it’ll fit really well and it’ll rip
Im wondering if an xcr 800 engine would fit, if not then a liberty 800 would be insane!
I was thinking a rotax twin or an polaris xlt engine. Loads of torque from the XLT triple but maybe too wide?
@@alexwirtz3047 thats what i was thinking, i went xvr over xlt because xcrs were more reliable
I love the two stroke idea! I also love the idea of another rail!
Yes finally, that’s what the rail was built for!
Guys, I think that you should do maintenance and what mods you thank they need, put them back in service and keep them as first time projects. That being said, I think you guys would really enjoy starting another first which could be a rear engine, maybe two stroke rail job.
You’ll are really good at coming up with new projects so good luck and listen to your gut as well as your viewers but stay on the safe side.
Some Sea Doo's from the late 90's are cheap and have similar 2 strokes that you'd see on a snowmobile. I suspect these would be much easier to find and cheaper than a snowmobile or a Honda cr500 engine. I'd love to see a new mid engine rail using what you learned from the previous one. Keep the Ducati engine on the cart.
but theyre water cooled and don't have radiators.
jayden blain maybe they could make a coolant system for it. I don't really know where the intake for water would be but they may be able to put on a radiator and coolant reservoir
@@bigfootandbananaman4746 oh yea for sure, its just a lot of extra work, snowmobiles use the same motors usually and already have save a cooling system.
jayden blain it is probably worth their time to just go up north and find one to use or find a motor on eBay
I think you should put a snowmobile engine in the rail, definitely 2 stroke. Maybe even turbocharged. Also keep the ducarty the same
No we wouldn't want the ducarti, gone it's a living legend!
I agree completely. There’s no need to destroy 2 pieces of art just for 1. I say start from scratch. I’d like see a new build series some time in the future.
If scoping out snowmobile engines, might be worth looking into rotary powerplants too. Very compact, stupidly rev-happy, and you're likely wanting power more than efficiency. Plus it'd also be something even more different.
As cool as the Ducati swap sounded, Ike's got a very good point of the chassis not being ideal. So yeah, it'd be better to start over from scratch. Just fix the other cart already suited to it, and make it more solid.
Turbo on a rotary. Good combination.
Good luck finding any smaller than a 12a or 13b from mazda
@@vailosquiet8678 Honestly they could just use one of those. Without all the electronics (switching to carb) and a simplified ignition system it really wouldn't be much bigger (if at all) than the engines they're using. There's probably some hacky way to control the oil injection somewhere out there too.
Compared to the usual V6 or V8, the engine bay on a rotary car is surprisingly empty. The first time you see it and say "That's it?" makes clear the PWR on those. Only thing better is electric, but the batteries make up for it in that case.
@@pauljs75 12a is carbed, and have an omp (oil meatering pump) just more the fact that small rotorys are hard to find
Start with a new build. Those two need to live on as they are!!
Agreed
GO FOR THE NEW RAIL!
The snowmobile engine idea is great!! the rail can even stay a 670 if you were to pickup a 670 Rotax engine out of a Ski doo. and they push out around 120hp.
All of yall posting comments before watching are going to be sadly disappointed.
Edit. Why are you so worried about the firewall when you literally have it beside your head on the cart?
It's like having a wheel covered in mud spinning next to you, rotating the same way you're facing, vs. in front of you. Which one is going to cover you more in mud?
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Because they are not into the motor long enuf to blow it before pucker factor of the squirrly kart.
Yea this doesn't make any sense, the deathcarti was even worse in those regards then this theory of a ducati rail.
Build new rail down the road when its feasible. Repair both the current rail and the Ducati.
THANK GOD YOU DIDNT CHOP THE DRAGSTER!! I'm a huge fan of it.leave it .
Dont kill the Ducarti!!!!! that thing is a beast!! plus you put so much work into it! I wanna see you guys fix the frame, put a rear wing on it, clean it up and see how fast you can get it on the track like a Formula1 gokart!
Make another big dual motor dragster aswell for another episode!!!
Yes yes 100x yes I’ve been waiting for this moment for so long
right 8:57 Ike took the words right out of my mouth, you guys need to make another rail but rear engined.
New drag rail!!!!!!
Look to see if someone has an old Jr dragster laying around. Then modify it to fit you guys. It's already a rear engine setup.
Good luck!
i think it'd be neat if you guys just put a smaller motorcycle engine on the rail from some old bike Ike has laying around.
Put the motor side ways and run a diff and and drive shaft
This is not a bad idea
New rail
So instead of a chain you want a steel shaft between your legs spinning at 10,500 rpms?
@@hillbillyholler516 if they build something they were talking about putting the motor behind them so they didn't have that problem. So it'll be basically like a top fuel car setup or any new rail dragster with the motor behind the driver
@@hillbillyholler516 With proper safety loops, I don't see why it would be problem. I'd much rather have a shaft. A U-joint failure is about the only way that could go bad.
Yes yes yes do a snowmobile engine pz
I can't wait for an update on this. That rail build brought me to your channel.
I might know someone who has a bunch of snowmobile engines just lying around
I would love to see a new rear-engine rail on the channel!!! Plus I would love for the original rail to stay the same as well as the Ducarti... either way I would and still do love the content on the channel!!!
Build another one!!! Yayyy
The yamaha 340, 440, 485, and 540 cc air cooled engines are bullet proof. Have driven them for years. My current toy is a 1991 polaris indy 500 with the fuji 488 liquid cooled. Great engine with good power and twin mikuni's. That said I imagine you want to save weight and a liquid cooling system wont help you any. Hope that helps some. Cant wait to see a new rail even if it takes a while. Side by side shoot out of the OG and the 2.0 will be pretty cool!
Yeah probably better making a different type rail
Where is the video for what happened to the dragrail 670 engine?... I really want to see that
I would like to see a teardown
Read the title at work, decided to take an early lunch...
This is gonna be AWESOME!!!! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time
If i didnt have to work to pay to live i would make go karts all day long everyday. Its really satisfying
Same here 😂
*I Don't Blame you , I would NEVER Install that into that frame lol!!!*
_Don't need to blow your ballz off!!!_
If they don't do it, people will say "no balls"...if they DO, it may really end up as "no balls"...lol
A simple solution would be just to build a tunnel for the chain it would be cheap and simple!
1st of all keep the Ducarti. It is a great go kart in its own right just the way it is. When you are delving into a real drag ster driving on a real drag strip with uncertified welds and uncertified technology you may want to think twice. Up until now you've been grabbing many bikes and carts and just throwing engines on them without regard to whether the frames can handle it. I would love to see you build another dragster and Chrome Molly tubing is the way to go, and magna fluxing your welds or liquid dye penetrate the welds to make sure they are sound is something you need to think about. I wanna see you build a new drag ster but remember it's not a kids go card anymore if the thing comes apart on the drag strip it may have devastating consequences besides just breaking. Do Not be like Nike and just do it. Think about how you're going to accomplish it and do lots of research 1st. Once you have done your feasibility study then do it.
Very good sound advice.
Whats the fun in that?? I love racing by the seat of my pants. No difference in falling off a bike going fast. Probably a little safer in a cart tho.
Safety FIRST! I saw a guy do 105 against a Dodge Charger at El Mirage dry lake. He was driving a sit up go kart with a Honda 305 twin powering it. Later that day a front spindle bearing seized up and dumped him at about 40 MPH. He was skinned up and his pregnant wife was not pleased.
Definitely another rail soon. Very good series build