You can get the best of both worlds if you use glue on your push fit models. The glue lubricates/melts the pins slightly, making them go together with almost no force while keeping the hassle free assembly. Also, having glue in the joints will help with closing any gaps by melting the plastic together and smooshing it into any gaps.
No shit, 'glue your models together' is your advice? Something folk have been doing for 35 years? Jesus, calm down Copernicus I think you're ahead of your time.
The outside of legs doesn't quite line up (nothing filler and some spare purity seals can't cover), but I actually build Redemptor (kind of awful part matching, especially that front cockpit "flap"), Invictor (it was a lot better) and Brutalis (everything gone smooth together), and Ballistus being 1/10 parts of other models was pure joy to assemble. Tho I would HIGHLY advise to use CA glue, acrylic putty (used Vallejo 70.400) and 400-1200 grit papers if you want to make it look truly good.
@@PeteOfDarkness I have 3 redemptors, still in the boxes :D I got them for my Black Templars, but then couldn't decide how In wanted to paint them, so they are all still boxed. Also kind of procrastinating, building them as I know they are supposed to be pretty advanced kits for someone who hasn't built many vehicles before. I also want to collect more bits to make them look more black templar. the issue with running an army like BT's is when you run the vanilla units, they look out of place in your army, unless you have a deep bits box. thankfully with all the 3rd party bits from 3d printers, it's way easier than it used to be. You can even buy some full upgrade kits for Dreadnoughts. I have been trying to hold off buying this stuff though, as going to get my own printer. Will save so much by just printing my own bits. that's the dream though, right. just being able to print off your own bits. every time I go to buy one though, I just end up with more minis :'D I swear, they call it "plastic crack" for a reason. In total I probably have around 6k+ points of unbuilt (nevermind, unpainted) stuff... TBH though I don't like building things till I'm ready to paint them. they are for different armies though, not 6k, pile of shame for just one flavour.
Gunpla model kits are all push fit and the range of movement and detail you get with them is amazing. It is very much possible to get multipose push fit models with weapon options. However the engineering of the sprues/models has to be way better then it is now, which would most likely lead to smaller parts and more fiddling while building.
Hit the nail right on the head! Gunpla sprues are beautiful, little to no cleanup, undergating, reasonably placed mold lines. GW sprues are absolutely disgusting. Massive frigging gates and usually placed in hard spots to clean up, like in between muscles.i feel like I'm sanding more than painting.
@@stevencolon1723 hell gunpla keep most of the parts you need on the same sprue. where i was working on a unit of chaos knights and the parts for the single model was split between 3 sprues.
@@ulforcemegamon3094 I could almost excuse their push fit models being subpar, takes some trial and error. But they've been in this game(hah) for ages. I can understand if their gates have to be huge for whatever reason, but they really need to organize their frigging sprues
I like push-fit for one specific reason - I can sub-assembly to my heart's content by putting it together, priming, and then carefully pulling away whatever I need to get to places, and a good number of the models facilitates this. For example, I had no trouble painting the Screamer Killer's arms separately, and reaching the torso area and under the carapace properly. I will say though it feels like most of the pins are designed to be almost exact fits - and they almost never come out perfectly, so they are usually too long and/or have gribblies that make it impossible to fit them into their hole.
A few weeks ago I bought the mid-tier starter box, space marines vs necrons, as a way to learn how 40k plays again, alongside my brother. The bikes felt weird to push fit, but almost all of the necron stuff is terrifying to push fit due to how naturally thin they are.
Yeah. . . Push-fit models can be a bit annoying sometimes. For me, it comes down to the connections for bodies. Since sometimes they make the peg big enough to just barely fit, and if you don’t apply alot of pressure, you get an ugly looking gap. Theres a reason more experienced people snip off the push-fit pegs and just glue them like regular models. I dont always do that since some of the parts are too tough to fit without the pins, but its at least an option for you to consider when building with push-fit kits in the future. As for Leviathan. . . I've *definitely* started working on my Space Marine half. Its *definitely* not languishing in my cellar while I build the Necrons I've had for over a year and a half now. *Definitely~*
The thing I'm most excited for is building Leviathan with my dad this weekend. Never knew he used to build models when he was a kid but now I cant wait
One of the reasons I got into warhammer was making airfix models with my dad. Have a good weekend! The video complains a lot but like all my videos they have a degree of hyperbole and I'm sure you and your dad will have a good time
When I was first getting into warhammer me and my dad made the dark imperium box and my dad said he used to play space hulk (a version of warhammer 40k to my understanding)
I appreciate that this doesn't actually solve anything about pushfit, and there were definitely some parts I did just push, but I find when making pushfit models I just snip off the extra pegs and glue as usual, I just don't trust the pegs to stay together
I end up with gaps, doesn't seem to matter how hard I push. I just snip them off. I must admit the leviathan box was somewhat better in that regard over the indomitus box. Push fit is unreliable and therefore pointless in my opinion.
Man, that knock on the left side at 0:03 of the video creeped the heck out of me! I’m sitting alone at night, next to a window in a cabin we just rented. Got a good jump out of it. 😂 I have yet to build my Leviathan Box, but I am already debating if I should get the new ultimate starter box to get closer to 2000pts and complete with one or two additional units. It seems many people manage to give alternate poses by just clipping the pegs. I might try that for more variety of poses, but I do like pushfits for how quicker they are.
Push fit is a great idea in theory but in practice there's always at least one connector you need to shave off, especially the ones attached to fragile spindly bits.
I was really happy to assemble the marines! Luckily had 3 extra sprue bits from squads i had already assembled, so i did a ton of cutting and shaving to customize guns and get some Imperial Fist Pauldrons on. They were fun and easy when i didnt want to do any other changes, but damn were they annoying to make even minor head changes and stuff on. I did snag a deffdread arm from a friend to get rid of the rocket launcher of the dread. Im very happy with what kitbashing i could do, but it was so much effort!
Lol I'm also an IF player. I too made many modifications. I was very pleased with how easily the Biologis shoulder was swapped. The combi-bolters are a bit of a conundrum.
I often just ending up sniping the pegs and using glue on push-fit models anyway, otherwise I often end up with annoying gaps or having to force the model (which I am not comfortable doing with how pricy they are). I am 100% with you on the dreadnought however, I build the Leviathan one and a regular Redemptor kit in the same week, I ended up swearing at the exact same leg joints you mentioned, with everything falling apart and fingers full of glue.
For packaging errors just send GW an email. Didnt get one of the kits in a christmas box set, sent them an email, and they sent me one in the Mail for free
I think the other big issue with push fit is that the slight warping that can happen on thin pieces (like you mention with the antenna) can be so obvious if that thin piece fits with something else structurally. I know, glue can fix it, but that's against the spirit of push-fit.
Paul, your video have quickly become something I actively look forward to and get really excited about when a new one drops. They're a pleasure, so thank you
I'm currently going through the Dominion Box for AOS. Gotta say push-fit models are a game changer for me, because I really don't like the "building" part of 40k and gluing especially. One piece of advice though, if you're ever struggling with a part with too much resistance, try scraping the "push"part with a knife a little, it will reduce its size and make it easier to fit. And if it becomes too small to fit, just fill the "fit" part with a bit of glue.
Can confirm, sometimes shaving the pegs is helpful, if not necessary, to getting the pieces in place. Also, figuring out where to apply pressure to get the pegs going in the direction of the slots, from the outside where you can't see the connections, is hard, right? I can't be the only one who assembled those Dominion models and was almost (or actually) bending pegs due to bad force alignment.
As someone that is brand new to Warhammer and model building altogether, I bought the Kill Team starter kit which was glue together and was gifted some Marines off the Leviathan box which were push fit. If I hadn't put the push fit models together first I think I would have enjoyed building the glue models a lot less than I did. The Push-fit is a good starting point for a brand new person and I think they should probably include them in all the starter kits. For all the valid problems you point out, I'd like to point out the counterpoint from the newbie perspective - I didn't know what load-outs I should be doing for my kill teams. The starter book not only doesn't give actionable advice to build the best teams, but if you follow their "starter missions" it requires you to build sub-optimal load-outs. If I hadn't done any research I'd have glued together a whole team of basic troops without half the specialists.
That's a fair point about the load-outs. I think the simplification of them in 10th does help but I know personally as well that not knowing what the best weapon to use or what weapons you can use is a bit annoying. Also, heads up, for some weird reason your comment was flagged as spam. I have no idea why, but I had to manually approve it. Not sure if this is affecting any other comments on other channels you may have made.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Interesting that it was marked spam. Probably because this is a new account I made just for Warhammer stuff. Thanks for the heads up.
Only disagreement is on Pushfit Dreadnoughts.....holy shit I am SO glad that most Dreadnoughts aren't just Pushfit. The Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are just sooooo much nicer and a lot more fun&cool because you can actually pose them and customize them. Although yeah....all the Smol Fiddly Bits in the Contemptor&Leviathan Dreadnoughts are a bit annoying, but that's a minor bit of frustration I will happily accept in exchange for actually being able to fully customize my Minis. I recommend you try building&painting each Plastic Dreadnought Kit and compare how much nicer looking the Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are.
I could have sworn that the spiky bit to fill the unused hole in the base has been around since at least third edition. If it wasn't a Tyranid claw, then it was a spiky tuft of grass or something.
Can confirm from when I built the whole Kruleboyz half of the AoS Dominion box, push-fits are kind of frustrating. A real pain in the fingers, literally. Quick additional tip: when they say you don't need glue, this isn't a suggestion. DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE ON PUSH-FIT MODELS UNLESS YOU HAVE TO. (Or you go the route of cutting the tabs off, obviously). When I was building my Kruleboyz, adding superglue first only ever made the process _harder,_ to little or no real benefit. Friction alone would keep those pieces together in most instances. I was just so used to assembling with glue, I hadn't internalized that fact. I learned the hard way pieces preemptively locking in place half-way into fitting is a bad time. Thankfully, it all worked out in the end, but I had to take drastic measures to _undo_ problems I made myself. Save yourself some headaches, and just trust the process. With how hard it'll be to get those pieces together all the way, they aren't coming off on their own. Be very selective about where the superglue goes on.
yeah it confused me so much how to attach the neurotyrants crown until I realized I had to force it through the body and just had to trust the plastic that it wont break.
Paul you cannot put such a realistic knocking noise exclusively in the left speaker again! My study window is to the left and my headphones made it sound like someone was knocking on it. I jumped out of seat because I thought I had an intruder outside. XD
I'll be honest when I was editing this video I tricked myself with it every time I replayed that section so I had to put that evil on everyone else lmao
My advice with push fit, trim the peg back a Mm or 2 then cut the tip of the peg on a 45. With the full peg sometimes you’ll get air in there, and when you put the glue on will make an air pocket and force the pieces apart. You can also trim pegs completely and get some what if different pose
If you snip off 1-2mm off the connection pegs they go together perfectly, and if you apply glue as you would on a normal model the seams get sealed too. I personally have no issues with pushfit, but I am aware that some people don't like 'em.
The easiest way to solve the problem is to shave two opposite sides of the posts, though they should be moulded with groves in the posts to stop the build-up of hydrolic pressure, like you get on wooden dowels
Push fit models I trim a sliver off the end of the rods and then scrape the side of the rod to get an air gap, it stops the rods from pushing out and bottoming out. Usually end up gluing them anyway.
for the spikes in the base: I personally just use a hobby knife on the hex hole to widen it, like carve out the rim of it. makes it a bit easier to put in and im using some sort of basing paste anyway
My issue with the push fit models, is when you get a pin that fits into a hole, calm down, the pin is always the exact length and the depth of the hole. If the hole is 5mm deep, the pin is 5mm long, leaving no room for error. If they don't fit right the first time, you fiddle around detaching them, the pin snaps off, and you resort to glue like you should have in the first place.
The best way I’ve found to assemble pushfit models is using plastic cement to lubricate the holes (haha). Slides in perfect, holds its place, and if worst comes to worst you can just clamp the pieces together with a bit of cement in between whatever’s not connecting and boom, ez dubs.
My first pushfit models were for a contemptor and redemptor dreadnoughts, both were pretty fine, I did like that I could do it without the glue, but it did push my wish for the mechs of 40k to be more like the gundams, were you could activly pose them with hinges and ball joints. Definitly would get more.
The only things i kit bashed from the box was one of my Sternguard sergeants, one of my gravis apothecaries, and a couple of terminators, mainly swapping their arms around. For the sergeant, i wanted to add a beakie helm, so I trimmed down the neck plate, snipped off and retracted the gun’s arm sling and added a different shield to the chest.
100% agreed on the Dreadnoughts! I built my first Redemptor this June and it had waaaay more pieces than I had thought. A week later, I got my Leviathan box and build the Ballistus. The difference in build time was incredible. And yet the level of detail is nearly the same. Also, the lack of helmet options for three of the Space Marine characters was quite annoying.
Thanks for the video Paul. I started putting together my Leviathan set today and was so annoyed by the push fit that I took a break. Now I know what to look out for.
Heres a gunpla tip. Shave the tip of the pegs down to a single, slight 45 degree angle if you have to force it. Itll make it so much easier to assemble and take apart. Dont go overboard though, otherwise you might have to glue it down.
If you get a Wow-Stick and use the largest drill that comes with it in the peg holes it makes push-fit models a breeze to glue together. Drill to widen hole in less than a second. Glue together for a tight/snug fight with all the benefits of the peg design on things like 2 handed weapons.
My issue with some of the push fit models is no matter how much force you use there is still a gap, I've resorted to just cutting them off and gluing the models instead
a push fit problem for some intercessors is that the front torso pegs are to long for the back torso holes, i usually clip them down a bit to fix this but i shouldn't need to
Just remove the "sticks" for push fit and then use glue I built 2 parts from the tyranids. After doing that I could pose my second screamer killer diffrent. To put something like the spike from the leapers in the base just use a paint brush or something else to press it in (it worked for me very well)
i had to put the Space Marines for this box together for a commission... i had to use glue as the pushfit pins kept snapping off as soon as i would get them put together.
My problem with push fit is sometimes models get trapped there but after thinking about it, that's less of an easy build problem and more of a problem with sprues being made specifically for big boxes. You cannot buy the super cool judiciar without also buying seven more models you might not even want just because that's how the sprue was designed and they can't split them apart easily. You can't buy just a venomcrawler without also buying obliterators. You cannot buy a master of possession at all. It's maddening
I almost head a headless librarian because I did in fact use glue. The Captain you put on the head on after you put the body together. Than immediately after they send you to build the librarian which if you forget to but the head in between the body and you glue it, you can’t fit the head in and your librarian will be headless. I was lucky enough to be able to get the parts apart but it was extremely stressful because the glue was drying.
Another thing why I hate push-fit models: If it is not Space Marine, you get only the same push-fit model from the big box in a smaller box. There is likely multipart kit for Sternguard and Terminators coming, Termagants maybe because of weapon choices (or they keep the old sprues because they're not Space Marines), Hormagaunts and Screamer-killer will only be that one models and so on...
For parts that hurt your fingers or take a little more force to get into the base, try to use your clippers to gently hold 2 sides close to the base, and then push down
Solution to the push-fitting problem is to snip a couple millimetres off the pegs and quickly sand a little curve around the edge, then they fit nice and easily. The reason it takes so much force to get the pieces together is that the air inside the hole has nowhere to go and gets compressed, so the pressure pushing back increases the more you push the peg in.
As a novice, I was interested in building 40k when GW was offering (on their website) the push-fit packs (3 Space Marines or 5 Hormagaunts or 5 Cultists or 5 Cadians, etc). I instantly lost interest in building 40k when they were discontinued, and after I built my first Cadian squad. It was a miserable experience. I haven't touched modeling again since then, about 3 years ago.
Push fit is fine, but I tend to glue a lot of parts anyway, like heads I just glue and get rid of the peg because you can pose the head how you like. But push fit are also really good for sub assembly to make them way easier to paint, need to paint under that gun or under an arm? just pop the arm off again. Also fully agree on the Dreadnought, the Redemptor and similar chassis dreadnoughts, their legs are massively over complicated and fiddly.
Ten years ago I started to cut the top of the push-fit pins to a pointed tip which really helps getting the models together without models getting stuck halfway. I wonder why GW never did something like that. Even just rounding the tips would help a lot; doing it by hand is a bit fiddly, especially with pins at odd angles.
I play Underworlds, so pushfit is a regular occurence (btw protip: buying 4-model Underworlds bands is a great way to keep the yearning for new armies under control). Always end up just clipping off the pegs and assembling as normal. I don’t trust my hand strength to push hard enough to not leave gaps.
It is annoying when some kits seem to only come in push fit, or only realistically come in push fit (when it's a push fit box set with a unit plus stuff for the same price of the unit alone...)
The thing I hate about these push models is the diagonal connector bit. It’s almost impossible to get them to move down fully until it’s flush with the body.
100% agree some good points and bad, I bought 2 lokhust heavy destroyers and primed them first. That was a bad idea the paint makes those tight gaps even worse!
5:30 and this is why I use a cement glue usually so that if I clip too much or I damage the piece slightly, I put some extra cement and it looks relatively the same so meh.
It's no Leviathan or Contemptor or any other more tasteful dreadnought GW TOOK FROM MEEEEE, but this Nu-Male Boxnaught is really growing on me after a little paint.
Yes. Yeeeeeees I find huge problems kitbashing my minis and making them fit the lore of my custom chapter since I don't want them using certain things to fit more the same story, and having to use super limited push fit models makes me have to be cutting and being clever (which I'm not) about how I'm going to be doing those cuts. They are really easy to approach and amazing if you use things like Tyranids which, they don't tend to offer too much customization, but for Space Marines, this problem make people not able to play anything more than Ultramarines or generic chapters without unique details
Got the Dominion box for AOS 2.0 it was all push fit. Tried it with a few of the minis, thought it was shit. So snipped off all the tabs and just glued them proper
I glued mine anyways. I just don't trust push fit. Plus the glue softens the plastic and makes getting some normally difficult parts together much easier.
Back near the beginning (great video btw xD) when you said you don't know why they are changing all the GW stores names to Warhammer, I actually talked to a store manager about that, he said its mostly because that's what they sell, some type of business reason I'm sure, but when your new to Warhammer, you might not look at a store that says GW or Games Workshop, sure it sounds like a hobby store but seeing a building directly say Warhammer might bring in more customers or at the very least direct people to it. just wanted to post that, might help others understand as well.
I was so happy to get leviathan. I was like yeah... push fit. So I open the box and began to remove the contents. At the bottom of the box was about 20 broken pegs , 3 loose heads rolling around in there and a few arms. Sighs 😕 . At least I've gotten it all built.
Me and my friend was looking at one of my neurotyrants while it was on the sprue, and he snapped one of the tentacles, guess it’s battle damage if i can’t glue it back on
My LT antenna bent so much it just didn't break but it doesn't want to go back into place properly. But over all I'm definitely happy with most of the push fit, also yes please spare helmet options
My only problem so far with the leviathan box is that one of my space marines had an arm peg broken before i took it off the sprue. Obviously its a problem solved by super glue, but it still kind of annoyed me
I hate the Termagants, because I messed up the weapons for them and so I have to restart with them. My fingers hurt from carefully removing each piece to not snap the plastic
Push fit is a little meh but if the idea is to get rid of needing glue I guess they accomplished that. However I still use a good amount of glue on push to fit minis just to help make them whole. I think glue parts with the little guiding nubbies are the best. Clear and easy to see how it fits doing a dry fit, and you can sand them off easily if you want to modify the pose at all.
James Workshop said he push fitted my mum, what do I do
Exterminatus
Fortunately, no glue then. She’s fine.
Genuinely the best comment I have read in a long time XD
Nothing. James is the Warhammer 40,000
You snip off his peg and super glue him
How to build pushfit models:
Step 1: Cut all the push fit connectors off the model.
Step 2: Glue the models together.
Yeah. Thats how most people do it :D
Or even better; Step 1: Glue the models together. You don't need to cut off the connectors unless you're reposing the models in some way.
@@TheStargateNerd they easier to assemble without the connectors since you don't have to press them hard
@@oninoni You don't have to press them hard if you're gluing. The glue both lubricates the joint and expands the hole and narrows down the pin.
😂🤣😂🤣 correct!!!
You can get the best of both worlds if you use glue on your push fit models. The glue lubricates/melts the pins slightly, making them go together with almost no force while keeping the hassle free assembly. Also, having glue in the joints will help with closing any gaps by melting the plastic together and smooshing it into any gaps.
Snip the pins down a little to allow room for the glue so you don't end up with loosely fitted components.
This is the way. Extra thin tamiya cement, as well as slightly clipping the pins.
No shit, 'glue your models together' is your advice? Something folk have been doing for 35 years? Jesus, calm down Copernicus I think you're ahead of your time.
@@MoonshineSazeracthat must mean everybody has that much experience thanks for that absolute revelation there I was thinking that new players existed
I do that or just clip the pin off and glue if one’s giving me trouble, I really don’t understand why people are making a big deal out of this.
The push-fit dread is the best frame they’ve made in years. Absolutely beautiful.
The outside of legs doesn't quite line up (nothing filler and some spare purity seals can't cover), but I actually build Redemptor (kind of awful part matching, especially that front cockpit "flap"), Invictor (it was a lot better) and Brutalis (everything gone smooth together), and Ballistus being 1/10 parts of other models was pure joy to assemble.
Tho I would HIGHLY advise to use CA glue, acrylic putty (used Vallejo 70.400) and 400-1200 grit papers if you want to make it look truly good.
@@PeteOfDarkness I have 3 redemptors, still in the boxes :D
I got them for my Black Templars, but then couldn't decide how In wanted to paint them, so they are all still boxed. Also kind of procrastinating, building them as I know they are supposed to be pretty advanced kits for someone who hasn't built many vehicles before.
I also want to collect more bits to make them look more black templar. the issue with running an army like BT's is when you run the vanilla units, they look out of place in your army, unless you have a deep bits box.
thankfully with all the 3rd party bits from 3d printers, it's way easier than it used to be. You can even buy some full upgrade kits for Dreadnoughts. I have been trying to hold off buying this stuff though, as going to get my own printer. Will save so much by just printing my own bits.
that's the dream though, right. just being able to print off your own bits. every time I go to buy one though, I just end up with more minis :'D I swear, they call it "plastic crack" for a reason. In total I probably have around 6k+ points of unbuilt (nevermind, unpainted) stuff... TBH though I don't like building things till I'm ready to paint them.
they are for different armies though, not 6k, pile of shame for just one flavour.
Gunpla model kits are all push fit and the range of movement and detail you get with them is amazing. It is very much possible to get multipose push fit models with weapon options. However the engineering of the sprues/models has to be way better then it is now, which would most likely lead to smaller parts and more fiddling while building.
Hit the nail right on the head! Gunpla sprues are beautiful, little to no cleanup, undergating, reasonably placed mold lines.
GW sprues are absolutely disgusting. Massive frigging gates and usually placed in hard spots to clean up, like in between muscles.i feel like I'm sanding more than painting.
@@stevencolon1723 hell gunpla keep most of the parts you need on the same sprue. where i was working on a unit of chaos knights and the parts for the single model was split between 3 sprues.
@@flameknightdragon Omg dude, im currently building the KT starter set and the frigging squig was spread over 10 orks.
Yeah , GW has no excuse , you can absolutely have excellent push fit Kits
@@ulforcemegamon3094 I could almost excuse their push fit models being subpar, takes some trial and error. But they've been in this game(hah) for ages. I can understand if their gates have to be huge for whatever reason, but they really need to organize their frigging sprues
Damn you Paul, now I can't be productive for at least 8 minutes!
I like push-fit for one specific reason - I can sub-assembly to my heart's content by putting it together, priming, and then carefully pulling away whatever I need to get to places, and a good number of the models facilitates this. For example, I had no trouble painting the Screamer Killer's arms separately, and reaching the torso area and under the carapace properly. I will say though it feels like most of the pins are designed to be almost exact fits - and they almost never come out perfectly, so they are usually too long and/or have gribblies that make it impossible to fit them into their hole.
You know you can just clip off the pins and glue the models together right?
A few weeks ago I bought the mid-tier starter box, space marines vs necrons, as a way to learn how 40k plays again, alongside my brother.
The bikes felt weird to push fit, but almost all of the necron stuff is terrifying to push fit due to how naturally thin they are.
Yeah. . . Push-fit models can be a bit annoying sometimes. For me, it comes down to the connections for bodies. Since sometimes they make the peg big enough to just barely fit, and if you don’t apply alot of pressure, you get an ugly looking gap. Theres a reason more experienced people snip off the push-fit pegs and just glue them like regular models. I dont always do that since some of the parts are too tough to fit without the pins, but its at least an option for you to consider when building with push-fit kits in the future.
As for Leviathan. . . I've *definitely* started working on my Space Marine half. Its *definitely* not languishing in my cellar while I build the Necrons I've had for over a year and a half now. *Definitely~*
There is no need whatsoever to snip or shave down any pin. The glue lubricates nicely, even painted pins, and it is done.
The thing I'm most excited for is building Leviathan with my dad this weekend. Never knew he used to build models when he was a kid but now I cant wait
One of the reasons I got into warhammer was making airfix models with my dad. Have a good weekend! The video complains a lot but like all my videos they have a degree of hyperbole and I'm sure you and your dad will have a good time
When I was first getting into warhammer me and my dad made the dark imperium box and my dad said he used to play space hulk (a version of warhammer 40k to my understanding)
legend
I appreciate that this doesn't actually solve anything about pushfit, and there were definitely some parts I did just push, but I find when making pushfit models I just snip off the extra pegs and glue as usual, I just don't trust the pegs to stay together
I end up with gaps, doesn't seem to matter how hard I push. I just snip them off. I must admit the leviathan box was somewhat better in that regard over the indomitus box. Push fit is unreliable and therefore pointless in my opinion.
Man, that knock on the left side at 0:03 of the video creeped the heck out of me! I’m sitting alone at night, next to a window in a cabin we just rented.
Got a good jump out of it. 😂
I have yet to build my Leviathan
Box, but I am already debating if I should get the new ultimate starter box to get closer to 2000pts and complete with one or two additional units. It seems many people manage to give alternate poses by just clipping the pegs. I might try that for more variety of poses, but I do like pushfits for how quicker they are.
Push fit is a great idea in theory but in practice there's always at least one connector you need to shave off, especially the ones attached to fragile spindly bits.
I love your edits! Your videos are so fun to watch as a new Warhammer Nerd!! I hope your channel keeps growing 😁
I was really happy to assemble the marines! Luckily had 3 extra sprue bits from squads i had already assembled, so i did a ton of cutting and shaving to customize guns and get some Imperial Fist Pauldrons on. They were fun and easy when i didnt want to do any other changes, but damn were they annoying to make even minor head changes and stuff on. I did snag a deffdread arm from a friend to get rid of the rocket launcher of the dread. Im very happy with what kitbashing i could do, but it was so much effort!
Lol I'm also an IF player. I too made many modifications. I was very pleased with how easily the Biologis shoulder was swapped. The combi-bolters are a bit of a conundrum.
That editing is absolutely hilarious😂
I often just ending up sniping the pegs and using glue on push-fit models anyway, otherwise I often end up with annoying gaps or having to force the model (which I am not comfortable doing with how pricy they are).
I am 100% with you on the dreadnought however, I build the Leviathan one and a regular Redemptor kit in the same week, I ended up swearing at the exact same leg joints you mentioned, with everything falling apart and fingers full of glue.
For packaging errors just send GW an email. Didnt get one of the kits in a christmas box set, sent them an email, and they sent me one in the Mail for free
Bare heads with no helmet options is the biggest issue I have with this box.
I think the other big issue with push fit is that the slight warping that can happen on thin pieces (like you mention with the antenna) can be so obvious if that thin piece fits with something else structurally. I know, glue can fix it, but that's against the spirit of push-fit.
*Me when given push-fit models to work with.
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Congratulations on ze built modeleedoodles. Also a truly grand question, how are push fit models?
Paul to pushfit model: Hey, you doing okay over there? 😂
Paul, your video have quickly become something I actively look forward to and get really excited about when a new one drops. They're a pleasure, so thank you
I'm currently going through the Dominion Box for AOS. Gotta say push-fit models are a game changer for me, because I really don't like the "building" part of 40k and gluing especially.
One piece of advice though, if you're ever struggling with a part with too much resistance, try scraping the "push"part with a knife a little, it will reduce its size and make it easier to fit. And if it becomes too small to fit, just fill the "fit" part with a bit of glue.
Can confirm, sometimes shaving the pegs is helpful, if not necessary, to getting the pieces in place.
Also, figuring out where to apply pressure to get the pegs going in the direction of the slots, from the outside where you can't see the connections, is hard, right? I can't be the only one who assembled those Dominion models and was almost (or actually) bending pegs due to bad force alignment.
I always sand the pegs a bit because the fit is SOOOOOOOO tight, sanding it off a bit helps lessen that friction and smoothens the entrance
As someone that is brand new to Warhammer and model building altogether, I bought the Kill Team starter kit which was glue together and was gifted some Marines off the Leviathan box which were push fit.
If I hadn't put the push fit models together first I think I would have enjoyed building the glue models a lot less than I did. The Push-fit is a good starting point for a brand new person and I think they should probably include them in all the starter kits.
For all the valid problems you point out, I'd like to point out the counterpoint from the newbie perspective - I didn't know what load-outs I should be doing for my kill teams. The starter book not only doesn't give actionable advice to build the best teams, but if you follow their "starter missions" it requires you to build sub-optimal load-outs. If I hadn't done any research I'd have glued together a whole team of basic troops without half the specialists.
That's a fair point about the load-outs. I think the simplification of them in 10th does help but I know personally as well that not knowing what the best weapon to use or what weapons you can use is a bit annoying.
Also, heads up, for some weird reason your comment was flagged as spam. I have no idea why, but I had to manually approve it. Not sure if this is affecting any other comments on other channels you may have made.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Interesting that it was marked spam. Probably because this is a new account I made just for Warhammer stuff. Thanks for the heads up.
Only disagreement is on Pushfit Dreadnoughts.....holy shit I am SO glad that most Dreadnoughts aren't just Pushfit. The Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are just sooooo much nicer and a lot more fun&cool because you can actually pose them and customize them.
Although yeah....all the Smol Fiddly Bits in the Contemptor&Leviathan Dreadnoughts are a bit annoying, but that's a minor bit of frustration I will happily accept in exchange for actually being able to fully customize my Minis.
I recommend you try building&painting each Plastic Dreadnought Kit and compare how much nicer looking the Non-Pushfit Dreadnoughts are.
Thank you very much for the new video on my birthday Paul :) I really do love your stuff, even if you’re bad at it.
Happy Birthday!
I could have sworn that the spiky bit to fill the unused hole in the base has been around since at least third edition. If it wasn't a Tyranid claw, then it was a spiky tuft of grass or something.
Can confirm from when I built the whole Kruleboyz half of the AoS Dominion box, push-fits are kind of frustrating. A real pain in the fingers, literally.
Quick additional tip: when they say you don't need glue, this isn't a suggestion. DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE ON PUSH-FIT MODELS UNLESS YOU HAVE TO. (Or you go the route of cutting the tabs off, obviously).
When I was building my Kruleboyz, adding superglue first only ever made the process _harder,_ to little or no real benefit. Friction alone would keep those pieces together in most instances. I was just so used to assembling with glue, I hadn't internalized that fact. I learned the hard way pieces preemptively locking in place half-way into fitting is a bad time. Thankfully, it all worked out in the end, but I had to take drastic measures to _undo_ problems I made myself.
Save yourself some headaches, and just trust the process. With how hard it'll be to get those pieces together all the way, they aren't coming off on their own. Be very selective about where the superglue goes on.
yeah it confused me so much how to attach the neurotyrants crown until I realized I had to force it through the body and just had to trust the plastic that it wont break.
For me there was a kind of shift up from below before pushing it in. Very tricky...
Paul you cannot put such a realistic knocking noise exclusively in the left speaker again! My study window is to the left and my headphones made it sound like someone was knocking on it. I jumped out of seat because I thought I had an intruder outside. XD
I'll be honest when I was editing this video I tricked myself with it every time I replayed that section so I had to put that evil on everyone else lmao
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff A true Drukhari player move
My advice with push fit, trim the peg back a Mm or 2 then cut the tip of the peg on a 45. With the full peg sometimes you’ll get air in there, and when you put the glue on will make an air pocket and force the pieces apart. You can also trim pegs completely and get some what if different pose
If you snip off 1-2mm off the connection pegs they go together perfectly, and if you apply glue as you would on a normal model the seams get sealed too. I personally have no issues with pushfit, but I am aware that some people don't like 'em.
The easiest way to solve the problem is to shave two opposite sides of the posts, though they should be moulded with groves in the posts to stop the build-up of hydrolic pressure, like you get on wooden dowels
Congrats on getting it done!
Also, "ITS A FUCKING SPIKE" Made me laugh harder than I have all day. Thank you sir 🤣
- Delta Sector
Push fit models I trim a sliver off the end of the rods and then scrape the side of the rod to get an air gap, it stops the rods from pushing out and bottoming out. Usually end up gluing them anyway.
Those damn pointy Nids drew blood a few times. 😅
for the spikes in the base: I personally just use a hobby knife on the hex hole to widen it, like carve out the rim of it. makes it a bit easier to put in and im using some sort of basing paste anyway
Love your videos. The humor always hits for me!
My issue with the push fit models, is when you get a pin that fits into a hole, calm down, the pin is always the exact length and the depth of the hole.
If the hole is 5mm deep, the pin is 5mm long, leaving no room for error. If they don't fit right the first time, you fiddle around detaching them, the pin snaps off, and you resort to glue like you should have in the first place.
The best way I’ve found to assemble pushfit models is using plastic cement to lubricate the holes (haha). Slides in perfect, holds its place, and if worst comes to worst you can just clamp the pieces together with a bit of cement in between whatever’s not connecting and boom, ez dubs.
My first pushfit models were for a contemptor and redemptor dreadnoughts, both were pretty fine, I did like that I could do it without the glue, but it did push my wish for the mechs of 40k to be more like the gundams, were you could activly pose them with hinges and ball joints. Definitly would get more.
Cracker of a video again Paul, good job. 10/10 on the push fit spike rant. I adored that bit.
I got four of the Tyranid half of Leviathan and I literally can't feel the tips of my fingers after building all the neurogaunts the other night.
I’ve got the stabby lieutenant and he snaps together quite nicely.
The only things i kit bashed from the box was one of my Sternguard sergeants, one of my gravis apothecaries, and a couple of terminators, mainly swapping their arms around. For the sergeant, i wanted to add a beakie helm, so I trimmed down the neck plate, snipped off and retracted the gun’s arm sling and added a different shield to the chest.
100% agreed on the Dreadnoughts! I built my first Redemptor this June and it had waaaay more pieces than I had thought. A week later, I got my Leviathan box and build the Ballistus. The difference in build time was incredible. And yet the level of detail is nearly the same.
Also, the lack of helmet options for three of the Space Marine characters was quite annoying.
Thanks for the video Paul. I started putting together my Leviathan set today and was so annoyed by the push fit that I took a break. Now I know what to look out for.
Heres a gunpla tip. Shave the tip of the pegs down to a single, slight 45 degree angle if you have to force it. Itll make it so much easier to assemble and take apart. Dont go overboard though, otherwise you might have to glue it down.
Your clip game is improving.
Congrats Paul. You've now started a Nids army on top of your other ones :D
I put the leviathan dread together and legit told myself "oh thank God it's just a couple of pieces for the legs"
If you get a Wow-Stick and use the largest drill that comes with it in the peg holes it makes push-fit models a breeze to glue together.
Drill to widen hole in less than a second.
Glue together for a tight/snug fight with all the benefits of the peg design on things like 2 handed weapons.
There is no need whatsoever to drill wider holes of shave down any pins. The glue lubricates nicely, even painted pins, and it is done.
My issue with some of the push fit models is no matter how much force you use there is still a gap, I've resorted to just cutting them off and gluing the models instead
you weren't the only one who ended up being short on bases a mate of mine was also shorted on bases
a push fit problem for some intercessors is that the front torso pegs are to long for the back torso holes, i usually clip them down a bit to fix this but i shouldn't need to
It is funny that the easiest way to put together push fit models is to put glue on the pegs so they slide in better.
Just remove the "sticks" for push fit and then use glue I built 2 parts from the tyranids.
After doing that I could pose my second screamer killer diffrent.
To put something like the spike from the leapers in the base just use a paint brush or something else to press it in (it worked for me very well)
i had to put the Space Marines for this box together for a commission... i had to use glue as the pushfit pins kept snapping off as soon as i would get them put together.
My problem with push fit is sometimes models get trapped there but after thinking about it, that's less of an easy build problem and more of a problem with sprues being made specifically for big boxes. You cannot buy the super cool judiciar without also buying seven more models you might not even want just because that's how the sprue was designed and they can't split them apart easily. You can't buy just a venomcrawler without also buying obliterators. You cannot buy a master of possession at all. It's maddening
Makes painting stuff in kit form harder with how they connect in weird ways.
I almost head a headless librarian because I did in fact use glue. The Captain you put on the head on after you put the body together. Than immediately after they send you to build the librarian which if you forget to but the head in between the body and you glue it, you can’t fit the head in and your librarian will be headless. I was lucky enough to be able to get the parts apart but it was extremely stressful because the glue was drying.
When I deal with push fit models if I feel a part is to small or likely to break putting it together I just cut off the peg and glue it.
I glued them together and the pieces that were at risk of being damaged when i was pushing in, i just cut the inside pieces off and glued normally.
Another thing why I hate push-fit models: If it is not Space Marine, you get only the same push-fit model from the big box in a smaller box. There is likely multipart kit for Sternguard and Terminators coming, Termagants maybe because of weapon choices (or they keep the old sprues because they're not Space Marines), Hormagaunts and Screamer-killer will only be that one models and so on...
For parts that hurt your fingers or take a little more force to get into the base, try to use your clippers to gently hold 2 sides close to the base, and then push down
I still used a bit of plastic glue and it went together very smoothly, and now it will never come apart. That said, I love the push fit design!
With push-fit, I just started to snip off the pins when getting pieces of the sprue and then glue them like any other model 🙏
Another thing that enraged me to no end. They left our 2 of the loyalist chapters. And OFC one of them is the Chapter i play. R.I.P Salamanders
If in doubt snip the cylinder bits where you push them in and get some sticky love on it and boom no longer push fit thing.
I literally came into youtube to put a video on while I assembled my first models of the box (the termagants) and this video was in the main page.
Solution to the push-fitting problem is to snip a couple millimetres off the pegs and quickly sand a little curve around the edge, then they fit nice and easily. The reason it takes so much force to get the pieces together is that the air inside the hole has nowhere to go and gets compressed, so the pressure pushing back increases the more you push the peg in.
I have push fit Nighthaunts. I had to pry the first one apart just to paint it.
I haven't started painting it. For several years
As a novice, I was interested in building 40k when GW was offering (on their website) the push-fit packs (3 Space Marines or 5 Hormagaunts or 5 Cultists or 5 Cadians, etc). I instantly lost interest in building 40k when they were discontinued, and after I built my first Cadian squad. It was a miserable experience. I haven't touched modeling again since then, about 3 years ago.
Push fit is fine, but I tend to glue a lot of parts anyway, like heads I just glue and get rid of the peg because you can pose the head how you like. But push fit are also really good for sub assembly to make them way easier to paint, need to paint under that gun or under an arm? just pop the arm off again. Also fully agree on the Dreadnought, the Redemptor and similar chassis dreadnoughts, their legs are massively over complicated and fiddly.
Ten years ago I started to cut the top of the push-fit pins to a pointed tip which really helps getting the models together without models getting stuck halfway. I wonder why GW never did something like that. Even just rounding the tips would help a lot; doing it by hand is a bit fiddly, especially with pins at odd angles.
I play Underworlds, so pushfit is a regular occurence (btw protip: buying 4-model Underworlds bands is a great way to keep the yearning for new armies under control). Always end up just clipping off the pegs and assembling as normal. I don’t trust my hand strength to push hard enough to not leave gaps.
"I'll paint them in next... 20 years"
Only if I didn't feel that deep within my soul.
All of my content just exists to pierce directly into the souls of procrastinating hobbyists
The Von Ryan’s Leapers cut my fingers and they hurt for two days. Genuinely painful.
The space marines have a couple of units with spikey tyrranid blood/roots on the bases which are bloody painful.
I know a lot of people just clip the little pushfit nubs that stick out so you dont have to pushfit them
got a like and sub from me just from the line "all dreadnoughts should be push fit". I like this guy.
Huh. I totally forgot the lieutenant had an antenna. mine broke off
It is annoying when some kits seem to only come in push fit, or only realistically come in push fit (when it's a push fit box set with a unit plus stuff for the same price of the unit alone...)
The thing I hate about these push models is the diagonal connector bit. It’s almost impossible to get them to move down fully until it’s flush with the body.
Oh I forgot about these! Yeah some of the diagonal connectors were awful and really could have been perpendicular
100% agree some good points and bad, I bought 2 lokhust heavy destroyers and primed them first. That was a bad idea the paint makes those tight gaps even worse!
5:30 and this is why I use a cement glue usually so that if I clip too much or I damage the piece slightly, I put some extra cement and it looks relatively the same so meh.
It's no Leviathan or Contemptor or any other more tasteful dreadnought GW TOOK FROM MEEEEE, but this Nu-Male Boxnaught is really growing on me after a little paint.
Yes. Yeeeeeees
I find huge problems kitbashing my minis and making them fit the lore of my custom chapter since I don't want them using certain things to fit more the same story, and having to use super limited push fit models makes me have to be cutting and being clever (which I'm not) about how I'm going to be doing those cuts. They are really easy to approach and amazing if you use things like Tyranids which, they don't tend to offer too much customization, but for Space Marines, this problem make people not able to play anything more than Ultramarines or generic chapters without unique details
Got the Dominion box for AOS 2.0 it was all push fit. Tried it with a few of the minis, thought it was shit. So snipped off all the tabs and just glued them proper
good man!
I glued mine anyways. I just don't trust push fit. Plus the glue softens the plastic and makes getting some normally difficult parts together much easier.
Back near the beginning (great video btw xD) when you said you don't know why they are changing all the GW stores names to Warhammer, I actually talked to a store manager about that, he said its mostly because that's what they sell, some type of business reason I'm sure, but when your new to Warhammer, you might not look at a store that says GW or Games Workshop, sure it sounds like a hobby store but seeing a building directly say Warhammer might bring in more customers or at the very least direct people to it.
just wanted to post that, might help others understand as well.
I was so happy to get leviathan. I was like yeah... push fit. So I open the box and began to remove the contents. At the bottom of the box was about 20 broken pegs , 3 loose heads rolling around in there and a few arms. Sighs 😕 . At least I've gotten it all built.
Me and my friend was looking at one of my neurotyrants while it was on the sprue, and he snapped one of the tentacles, guess it’s battle damage if i can’t glue it back on
My LT antenna bent so much it just didn't break but it doesn't want to go back into place properly. But over all I'm definitely happy with most of the push fit, also yes please spare helmet options
My only problem so far with the leviathan box is that one of my space marines had an arm peg broken before i took it off the sprue. Obviously its a problem solved by super glue, but it still kind of annoyed me
I hate the Termagants, because I messed up the weapons for them and so I have to restart with them. My fingers hurt from carefully removing each piece to not snap the plastic
Push fit is a little meh but if the idea is to get rid of needing glue I guess they accomplished that.
However I still use a good amount of glue on push to fit minis just to help make them whole.
I think glue parts with the little guiding nubbies are the best. Clear and easy to see how it fits doing a dry fit, and you can sand them off easily if you want to modify the pose at all.