Do you guys believe there is any truth to these conspiracies? Or is it all hogwash and we just need to be patient? This video is simply for the sake of discussion and keeping the games in the public eye. Keep in mind I will be BUYING BOTH Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicle! I am extremely excited and I am just providing a forum for us all to converse and talk about the games. These are my honest thoughts and real opinions. Somebody has to do it for the community.
No, there are team members who are/have worked on both projects. There's no bad blood between them. Also Konami and Muriyama parted ways amicably, and from what both parties have said their relationship was professional and courteous. I have a feeling it was more that the project was announced far too early in development, we have only been shown a handful of nostalgia or pretty areas. If they are rebuilding the games in the unity engine as some people suspect then bugs would crop up.
I think the most obvious and simple explanation is the correct one. Konami saw all the hype and success being generated by EC and then realized they could make some money. So they went "hey! We still make games! Remember Suikoden? You should buy it!" No conspiracy or anything particularly interesting. They're just hoping to slipstream.
Most fans are like you. They'll be buying both. It's likely that the Suikoden 1+2 remasters will be way better than all the bs SquareEnix releases since it's fusion. Of course I'll support beautiful remasters which are still jrpgs.
@@minusmett7882 Yeah I agree. Ill definitely be grabbing games to support them both! Though I'm more excited for Eiyuden! Which are you more hyped to play?
If the two companies were working together to share exposure they would just come out and say it, it wouldn't be some secret conspiracy. It's WAY more likely that Konami is trying to divert interest from Eiyuden Chronicle by releasing Suikoden around the same time, hoping that people who don't have enough money for both will choose the series they have nostalgia for instead of taking a risk on something new.
Right, the whole situation is peculiar as heck. But I'm leaning more towards how you feel. I truly think Konami is diverting attention from Eiyuden! But there are some folks who think that is total hogwash..lol as if companies don't compete with each other 😅
That's my take too. It really shocked me to run into see large groups on the internet who insisting they choose Suikoden to Eiyuden. I'm not sure if it's brand loyalty or they just don't know that it's largely the original creators making Eiyuden, and that the revived interest is only due to their risks and hard work... but the fact that those folks do exist indicates a plausible reason why Konami thinks they can profit from stealing Eiyuden's thunder. Really, for fans the best thing is for both of them to succeed, so hope my guess is wrong...
Knowing Konami's reputation...I am inclined to believe they are being that petty. They didn't give two shits about Suikoden until Eiyuden starting making noise. All i can hope is they do a good job remastering Suikoden 1&2 and Eiyuden will also be a massive success and hopefully that can revive these games and they can keep making more of them.
I absolutely agree, trust me on I'm the same boat as you. Konami wanted some of that Eiyuden money so they churned out some half-baked remaster trailers. Haha I love Suikoden but it is what it is. Hopefully the remasters actually turn out good
I hope both are massive success. And EC gets a sequel while Suikoden gets all games remastered and finally some dam sequels. I would be a very happy old ass gamer.
That would literally be the BEST case scenario. I want them both to succeed! That would be golden age JRPG stuff right there. Thanks for sharing your comment :)
I still wanna know what's up with Pesmerga, Yuber and Hikusaak. Was so sad 4 and 5 were prequals XD. 5 is still such a good game though despite not having original devs so it's possible for Konami to make good Suikoden games. 4 would be a lot better once remaster fixes it's flaws like random encounter madness.
@@kali-qgames1301 True if Konami sees there is a market for these games they might ask certain people to at least work with them. At the end of the day a brand name does not amount to much if there is no talent behind it.
I still think Konami did the Suikoden series dirty, they had a chance to toe-to-toe with Final Fantasy but they were too cowardly to do it and now they see how loyal the Suikoden Fans are they trying to sabotage Eiyuden.
Of course they did. I wish Suikoden belonged to someone else. They are doing it just Because Eiyuden was successful. I bet we would have never seen these Remasters if it weren't the case Thanks for your comment🙏🏽
This whole situation is extremely interesting right now. Im just hoping these two games actually come out next year with no more DELAYS between the two.
So here is some facts, Do know that Yosh is really good friends with the Director of the HD remaster of Suikoden. and Yosh has not hidden the fact that he been helping a little bit with his friend. But Yosh is not working with Konami or HD Remaster's. Another fact Yosh asked for the IP back from Konami, and they said no. He even tried to see if he could even try to lay in easter eggs, but they said no also. So Konami is kinda being petty, but Yosh is not holding a grudge so he support the release. He stated it will in the long run get peeps to remember his old games/story; and later come and get EC:HH
It's definitely not a conspiracy. What's more, I can guess with 100% certainty that as soon as the Eiyuden release date is revealed, the Suikoden one will be as well, and it'll either be just before, or on the same day as Eiyuden
Yeah Konami is definitely thinking "we need a piece of that pie let's hijack the hype". It's low, but completely standard vampiric behavior for them. Definitely not buying the Suikoden remasters.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. I've had tons of people fight me back on that and come at..but maybe that's just konami fanboys? It's so easy to see they tried to steal Eiyudens hype by releasing the so call remasters
Could just be Junko Kawano who is doing the art for both games not keeping up or being sick which delays both games or simply prioritizing Eiyuden first before finishing the Suikoden remasters so they have to wait for her to finish Eiyuden. But Konami as shown many times that they are a trash company and trusting them is just hard for most people. Its definitely not a coincidence that the remaster is anounced after the success of the Eiyuden kickstarter, like any greedy company, they saw the interest was there, they saw an easy cash grab. As for a Suikoden 6 possibility, that will not happen, we are talking about Konami here ruled by pachinko overlords who mistreats and makes their game devs run away. They are prolly gonna milk Suikoden 3-4-5 remasters if the sales are good. At best you might get another Tierkreis/The Woven Web of a Century. Even if they did make a Suikoden 6 they would put so little effort you would have wished they stopped at 5.
You summed up what I've been thinking all along. 481M JPY (about 3.2M USD) is not a small amount of money, I don't think Konami would allow that opportunity gone. And even more digusting, Konami is kinda using Eiyuden's hype for free promotion, it is fair, I just don't like it. Pro: we got Eiyuden and Suiko 1&2 remaster, and might be another remaster from 3, 4, 5 Cons: I just hate Konami
I think Konami wants to release the remasters after Eiyuden Chronicle is released. That way, if EC does well, people will be more interested in checking out the game that inspired it. Kind of like how Cobra Kai's success on Netflix probably led to a bunch of people checking out the original Karate Kid movies.
Ahh that's a really good point about cobra Kai. I never thought about it like that. I'll come back to your comment if Konami indeed announces Suikoden after Eiyuden. We'll definitely see what they end up doing. I appreciate your comment my friend
Thats too positive lol. The team already left konami, while konami keeps the ownership of suikoden while the creator lost it. Konami will do anything to killed the new product of their old suikoden teams for leaving the company. Because konami knows they cant create a new suikoden because the creator and the brain behind it, leave them. What they can is only remastering the old ones and cancelling the new one from the creator.
I remember reading before that they didn't leave, the contracts just ended and he said he was open to returning if they wanted but they didn't ask or something like that.
It all boils down to $$$. If Konami and R&B Studio can both benefit from the renewed interest of Suikoden because of Eiyuden, IMO I don't think Konami will try to sabotage them. It's in both parties interest to capitalize and make money off the franchise, not end it.
If i had to guess, my guess would be that Konami took the delay as a green light to take a breath and spend more time on the remaster. Maybe we'll get better sprites out of this. Who knows.
@kali-qgames1301 Konami has made it fairly clear that they have very limited remaining interest in the video game industry. On the plus side, it also means they are very relaxed when it comes to fan made titles. It also means that the possibility of collaboration behind the scenes is not a far-fetched idea. Konami is in sort of an "anything goes" mood right now.
Fans have BEGGED Konami for years and years for them to make more Suikoden. I do think Eiyuden lit a fire under Konami. When they took in 5 Mil on Kickstarter, it gave Konami a true wake up call of "Oh damn, they really will pay for more Suikoden." It took them SO LONG to even get Suikoden II on the old PS3 Store where Suikoden 1 was on there for years. And for that, it takes very little effort on their part yet they still delayed it so long. R+B lit a fire under Konami, of this I have no doubt. They likely want to both cash-in and hurt R+B by releasing the remasters at the same time. Also, I think there was probably some truth to the 2023 scheduling stuff... They probably would have released the remasters in a more buggy mess if EC came out this year, to compete. But since they delayed, Konami decided to delay too so they could polish it some more. It's about time though, Konami finally doing something with Suikoden. It's been a damn shame that it just simply sat. I know I was sick of it, and apparently 5 Million dollars worth of fans were tired of it to... I do with they would bring in Miki Higashino to make the soundtrack for EC. But, can't have everything.
Listen, I completely agree with you. Eiyuden is looking amazing meanwhile we can't even get an updated trailer on the remasters. It's a shame. But I truly appreciate your comment, thank you for watching my video! Means alot to me
With regards to the Eiyuden delay I think you hit the nail on the head with your first point. Crowdfunded games by smaller studios get delayed regularly and they probably just underestimated the time needed to finish it. My opinion on the Suiko delay is that they probably were never going to hit that original 2023 date. I think they probably rushed the trailer out to capitalize on the hype despite not having much the game completed. I don't think it was pushed back specifically because Eiyuden was, I just think they never had plans on having it finished by 2023. You're definitely right about Suiko remaster owing it's existence to Eiyuden though. I just don't think it's petty or spiteful. Game companies love to ignore fans asking for the revival of beloved franchises because they need to know beforehand whether it'll be financially beneficial. Eiyuden smashing all of their goals was probably the push they needed in order to see that yes, there is still an actual market for these games. Not to mention I would assume both companies would want the other to do well just because the success of one game would mean that people will be wanting more of a similar experience. If Eiyuden is successful then new fans will probably be more willing to try out Suikoden and vice versa. But on the flipside modern Konami kinda sucks and I wouldn't totally dismiss claims that they're just being greedy. As always thanks for the Suikoden content! Best JRPG ever!
Thank you so much for sharing your awesome insightful comment. I truly believe Eiyuden has been a huge turning point for the Suiko remasters. I just can't wait to see what the result of all of this is. I truly appreciate you supporting and watching my content my dear friend! Thank you much
I just came to say we need: Suikoden III Suikoden IV AND SWEET Suikoden V remasters as well... OMG!! I sure hope, no matter the right conspiracy, that we get all those games as well, because I sure am hoping for a huge success on Eiyuden Chronicles
Ahh you know so very well. A remaster for Suikoden V would be absolutely amazing! Suikoden v is so underrated to me! Let's hope that Eiyuden breeds more attention and awareness I'm the whole Suikoden series. It's a great time to finally have some hope!!
Agreed, I also want Tierkreis to have a remaster too, the story of that is good and sweet but not Woven Web of the Century (psp) that game is trash and don't count as a Suikoden series.
The konami store just announced some suikoden I & II merch. The timing is weird. They are marketing it as a suikoden II anniversary but they are including merch for the first installment as well. These could have been the merch intended to go up with the preorders, but this is just a hunch. I know the konami shop isn’t directly managed by konami, but this actually further lends weight to the hypothesis that the delay is a last minute decision that the shop wasn’t informed of.
I wouldn't say that the Suikoden remasters only are happening because of Eiyuden Chronicles. Im sure the other remasters have some hand in it. Seems like its been jump started by Octopath Traveler, since several remasters are based on its look and style. Eiyuden Chronicles is now available to pre-order digitally, so I'm surprised Konami hasnt responded in kind yet. That said, I hope both do fantastically well! And I really do hope that the entire Suikoden series gets a remaster including the Gaidens and Web of a Woven Century or whatever Konami wants to call it. And hopefully a new game, that manages to tie in the DS and PSP games.
suikoden 2 is one of my favourites , i spent days resetting the game file trying to save nanami, i did the gate glitch and recruited all the stars before the time limit mark i repeated this step countless times these was all but rumours there was limited info back then and the internet wasn't as accessible as it is now.
I don't think the companies are conspiring together. But at the same time I don't think that Konami is trying to undermine RabbitBear. There is a third option: Konami is hoping to piggy back off the success of Eiyuden to sell remasters of Suikoden. For years Konami has ignored the property of Suikoden but Eiyuden's kickstarter success has shown that folks are interested. They actually can't undermine Eiyuden's success because just about all that kickstarter money is already units sold. So there is no point to try and "steal attention." Instead I think they are now trying to cater to a customer base they didn't realize they had. Releasing the remasters near Eiyuden increases the chances of those who already kickstarted Eiyuden (we've already paid long ago) throwing some funds to the remaster. They are trying to release during peak interest and if Eiyuden can get enough folks to buy Suikoden remasters there is probably a chance Konami will commit a studio to resuming the series. But the suits leading this gambit need success on this remaster sale for everything to proceed. If the goal was to somehow undermine Eiyuden then their goal would be to not only get a remaster out before Eiyuden but to evaluate its success as quickly as possible to possibly tease a new entry to the series around or before the release of Eiyuden. And for any of that to really undermine Eiyuden means it would have had to happen during the kickstarter campaign as a means to divert money from RabbitBear to Konami. If they were working together, like you said, it would actually be more beneficial to both to be public about it.
It's all very interesting! All I know is that I'm super excited for Eiyuden and I hope the Suikoden Remasters get a release date soon! Either way, great time to be a JRPG fan
I just hope Suiko I & II isn't just a remaster like Secret of Mana HD, where SE only adds 3D graphics, voice acting, and new arrangements for the OST (which they are very much hits and misses), without adding back the stories that were cut back in the 90s because of the medium's (SNES cartridge) capacities.
I really hope it's alot of effort too my friend. It would be a shame to wait this long just to receive a terrible port Also, love your avatar, goat show lol
i thought the same at first. But now, Eiyuden Chronicle is around the corner and there's no news on the Suikoden Remaster. But Konami will surf the Hype wave from Eiyuden Chronicle, that's a fact.
I hope Eiyuden Chronicle does justice to the Suikoden legacy. I would love to see it become a franchise and get it's own world the way Suikoden did. When they had Hero McDohl and Gremio in part 2 along with all the other returning characters, it was awesome! When it was revealed that Luc was the bad guy in part 3, that was awesome! When they had Ted in part 4, broken record and all, that was awesome!
I absolutely LOVED how interconnected the first 3 Suikoden games were. It made you feel like you were growing with the story over the years. And the world and lore just felt so vast and wide. Let's hope they can do it my friend! We'll celebrate the release together 🙏🏽
I just hope Konami is truthful and is actively working on Suikoden I & II to deliver an awesome definitive version of those games and not some half-baked Remasters.
I 100% think Konami is doing it because of EC. Including the delay. I love Suikoden! But this game looks far better. Of course nothing will ever top S2 story telling and characters for me. Suikoden should be either remade/have added side quests, characters and more features. They should just jam pack it. Even have a creature capture mode or something. Just load it up. Give us the original game. But add more more more more. Suikoden is a masterpiece that just wasn't promoted enough. I stumbled accross is in a video rental store and got obsessed. If it weren't for that I would have never known about this work of art. So hyped for EC.
I'm in agreement with you my friend. EC has managed to make me so hyped the same I would be if it were Suikoden 6. So I guess that's all I need haha. S2 storytelling will always be the greatest. But hopefully EC does decent
Konami asked the character artist (who also is the artist for Eiyuden) to come and work on the pixel art for the original characters for the remaster. As far as I know, they are working together in a good relationship with Konami. I have a feeling the character pixel art may be slightly improved during this delay. Suikoden rerelease would make rabbit&bear feel proud to have their work still out there and loved. It makes sense they would work together and both benefit from the hype.
Further, Konami may realize things they thought weren't working anymore could work again. After Suikoden 3, they really lost their magic. Perhaps rabbit&bear may be licensed Suikoden for a new entry if these do well. From the developer videos, you can tell they're really passionate about their stories.
This is actually very likely! I didn't know that they asked the character artist specifically to come and help. Thanks for your input friend, and for watching the vid!
I think Konami made a mistake. Now they have to up the ante and make sure the remaster collection is super polished and has lots of QoL improvements. If not, they just made Eiyuden the go-to series instead of a spiritual successor. I don't think Konami thought Eiyuden was going to be this good
I wouldn't be surprised if it's either one. I don't put it past them to be working together because they both would benefit from the double coverage. Although that's just my guess but I think there's a potential good outcome in the long haul because we potentially have two series giving us games. Even though I don't fully trust Konami, if the remaster performs well and Konami sees a future in the series, then that would be great. Admittedly, that's a major long shot and pipe dream right now but who knows, we'll just have to see.
I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised any more at this point. All I know is that something is definitely going on. But you're right, let's just see what happens. Either way im not really trusting Konami right now
Nah. Like other people in the comments have mentioned, Konami is trying to capitalize on the Eiyuden Chronicles hype. I mean, didn't they pull this same stunt with TMNT Cowabunga Collection? They announced it soon after TMNT Shredder's Revenge was announced.
Respectfully brotha…Konami on that bull. I’ve even been apart of a petition to get Suiko games back, and they’ve ignored the base. I think Konami’s goal is to spite R&B, not help them.
Although it's very possible somebody at Konami is doing this out of spite.. The MUCH more likely possibility is that they're just riding on the coattails of the success of the Kickstarter. The game industry as a whole does this time and time again. When a game goes HUGE, developers start making similar games.
Konami has a long history of being petty. Look at Baldur's Gate 3 vs. Starfield. It's a Thunder Stealing tactic. It's a bigger company trying to stifle a smaller one. People only have a limited amount of time and money. It doesn't make sense to release close together because they'll cannibalize each other's sales. Konami loves to spite their talent especially when they leave. They haven't changed since what happened with Kojima. You're right that the Kickstarter is the only reason the Remasters exist. And as for Konami liking money... they left the gaming market to pursue Pachinko machines and Mobile because that's where the money was in their eyes. They saw there was money in those RPGs and wanted to capitalize on it with minimal investment.
Haha thank you so much for watching my video. It's nice to speak to folk like you who can see through these companies. So many people place blind Faith in this companies and forget that they are a business. I will definitely call them out though haha
We do know the OG artist did work with both companies, but I think that was out of love for the fans more than anything(and they hopefully paid her well). I don't think they're working together YET. But I have my fingers crossed they now realize Murayama and the whole teams worth, and will all but beg for them to return for a Suikoden 6. I realize it's a long shot, but I think there's at least a chance, if only for the profit Konami stands to make if they do so.
Ya know, I'm hoping that they realize how awesome Murayama is too! I'm just hoping Eiyuden has a Sea Of Stars like success. That would be such a big statement from Rabbit and Bear
Konami should've take advantage by delayed Hundred Heroes, they should release Suikoden in 2023, so the fans have options to buy Suikoden in 2023 and Hundred heroes in 2024
Kali, if hypothetically they WERE in kahoots, what could possibly be the benefit to Rabbit & Bear Studio? I get the benefit to Konami. But, I'm coming up blank for a reason that Murayama might help Konami potentially take sales away from his own game by releasing them simultaneously. What do you think?
That's what I can't seem to place my finger on. It makes me wonder if maybe there is some agreement behind the scenes. But it could very well just be Konami stepping on toes. I don't see what Rabbit and Bear would benefit from though, they have already benefited on their on with the success of the Kickstarter. So who knows, the WHOLE situation is peculiar as heck!
As the main artist Junko Kawano helped/is helping in the suikoden remaster maybe rabbit and bear could get some support the other way around in the way of workers or contacts ? They have revealed some well known voice actors@@kali-qgames1301
I mean let's face it. Suikoden isn't going to sell gangbusters. It'll do well enough but won't do Xenoblade or Final Fantasy numbers. Releasing close to Eiyuden and allowing one or the other to piggy back is likely going to have more people check the franchise out. Suikoden is a franchise worth playing and the more eyes on it the better. The vast majority of people who adore Suikoden are likely going to buy both on launch as is.
That's how I feel too. I'm definitely be buying it as well. And I agree with you, it's only going to do so well. But I do hope it does well enough to make a difference. Thanks a ton for checking out my video and watching! Means alot!
I think both companies work together in some way. It's not conspiracy in my eyes, even if I thought so earlier as well. Junko Kawano stated that she drew all of the Suikoden HD Remaster facial arts herself, so she was working with Konami ALONGSIDE Rabbit and Bear Studio. I think both studios work behind closed curtains to bring the maximum out of both games so that players can enjoy them to their fullest. For sure they have plans, but they won't let people know.
@@kali-qgames1301 I hope so, too. People are so toxic these days, it's a shame. They think so negative and if something's not up to their personal wishes they get mad and angry, especially on social media. It sucks :(
Honestly knowing konami, it wont surprise me that they are trying to parasite EC success also it shouldnt take them 3 years to complete a remaster on this level assuming that they began working on it around EC announcement (which was around 2020). Also Suikoden 1 deserved a remaster as it feels dated but 2 not so much, 3 and 4 however should have been remastered imo, 5 is fine.
That's exactly how I feel. But current Konami is a mess. Hard to trust them. I agree on the modern Suikodens needing to be remastered. Thank for checking out my vid out!
Given Junko Kawano worked on the Remaster it seems unlikely to me that this is a spiteful move. Though I don't know the actual reason, I think Konami might genuinely be stretched with the number of projects they have.
If this was a remake i would understand the delays but its just a remaster and afaik they are not adding anything new. They did the same thing when TMNT Shredders Revenge came out. Two months later a TMNT collection came out.
I would say Suikoden 1+2 remasters exist half because of Eiyuden, half due to the fact every other JRPG in history is on the Switch and most have sold pretty well.
It's definitely pettiness. There is no benefit to releasing a bunch of RPGs closely together, they take time to play. I'm guessing the remaster will be announced to release about 1 month before Eiyuden for maximum upstaging.
i can care less if it's a conspiracy or not, i mean if games like Suikoden 1 & 2 came back, im hoping that's a sign for other classics can make a return. if Suikoden 3 gets announced out of nowhere, i will be a happy camper. if Tomb Raider 1-3 can come back, why not others. that being said Eiyuden Chronicle is a fun game.
I agree brah. Konami is like "you aren't allowed to outshine us." They just jelly. But I think they will now come out with a Suikoden 6 because of Eiyuden Chronicles success. The Suikoden 1 & 2 sales will also play a part in whether they decide a part 6 is worth their time. Suikoden 4 & 5 were horrible in my opinion. So I hope if they do make a part 6 it will be similar to Suikoden 1 - 3
5 is one of the greatest jrpgs ever made alongside Suikoden 2 and is the only one that came close to Suikoden 2. Suikoden 3 is also great but its experimental and more like a spin off than a full fledged title in my opinion.
I want to believe that behind the scenes, the two companies are working together to promote each other's release and build up hype. HOWEVER, it's also not hard to assume Konami is just dusting off a long dead franchise because money can made riding the hype of another game. Konami is scummy enough to do it.
I don't doubt that at all. Konami, is gonna Konami ya know? All I know is that I'm all in for Eiyuden right now. Hopefully Konami announces the Suikoden remasters soon
It is really obvious that Konami is trying to steal the debut success of Eiyuden chronicles. Of course everyone will buy both games, but it is about the launch of this new title, they are trying to make it less hyped by fans of suikoden, while everyone know that Suikoden fans are really mad of Konami for letting it without any new titles.
I dont think its a conspiracy but I wouldnt put it past Konami to see the game garnered 4 million dollars in a kickstarter and saw there was interest. Then decided to do a remaster and wait to release it around the time Eiyuden Chronicles does. They want a piece of the pie since they did it first. Just smart business on their part. Though id rather them put in the effort to release a new and improved Suikoden if thats the case lol.
Eiyuden's graphics are crisp, consistent, and gorgeous. (Disclaimer, I'm a backer) Suikoden Remaster looks like clipart from 80 different torrent packs, slapped on the screen, then run through a blue filter. Lazy. Even the redrawn profile art, despite being from the same artist as the original, looks WORSE!!! No depth, no tactility... Get this trash off my desk! (Yeah I'll probably still buy it. Don't look at me.)
That's how I feel as well. You can tell Konami announced it super quick to jump on the hype. While Eiyuden is looking solid! Haha don't worry though, I'll still buy it too unfortunately. That's the grip Konami has on me because they own Suikoden :(
I think they just want more money. Eiyuden is bound to be success in selling. The new player gonna ask the question, are there similar game? People will recommend suikoden series. Then they buy suikoden, the old game, with full price with the remaster. It's not konami want to ruin eiyuden. They want the piece of cake after eiyuden success.
Konami is being opportunistic. Maybe they don't have any spite. They just want to capitalize the exposure that is generated by Eiyuden. I'm not sure conspiring with Konami gives added value for Murayama. It's just that after seeing the success of the Kickstarter, Konami realized that the Suikoden fans are actually for real want to play Suikoden games. Suikoden fans have been begging for years to Konami to at least port the old games to modern consoles & PC. The fans also begged to Murayama, the original creator of Suikoden, but since he is not in Konami anymore & the Suikoden IP is owned by Konami, he cannot revive the series even if he wanted to. Finally, he, with other game developers, including who were in the original Suikoden team found a way with Kickstarter, that have brought other classic games revival. Now looking at the money raised in Kickstarter, Konami has finally been convinced that it is worth to invest in the series. Yeah, after several years begging, they just don't care but when there's money they are suddenly excited bringing Suikoden back. I'm not sure I'm happy with Konami move though. We'll see. But certainly, I will support Murayama team's works.
But I will support The Eiyuden Chronicle - Hundred Heros more. Reason being they actually making a complete new game, story, heros. Staying true to the old play style but adding new effects and dimension to the game aswell. It all depends atmosphere and storyline on how they portrait this game now. My favourite Suikoden games were 1,2 and 5. Mainly the play style and rich amazing storyline (Emotions in these series all have : Humour, sadness, joy and pain and multiply Endings). IF Eiyuden Chronicle - Hundred Heros can produce a game like that. I rather support and buy this game first rather then a remake of Suidoken 1,2. To ensure they have the success and carry on producing more game series like this. Rather than Konami just touching up a game and reselling it because they too lazy, greedy and salty to produce something new.
Hopefully Eiyuden end up being a huge amazing success. I will definitely buy multiple copies to support this game! I'm with you, I'd much rather support Eiyuden going forward, as I have more faith in it than I do Konami right now.
Honestly, feel it's better to support Eiyuden chronicles over Suikoden 2. Eiyuden is made by former Konami devs who got screwed over just like Iga did. I rather they get my money over Konami.
That's honestly how I feel as well. I feel much better about the Eiyuden project especially after seeing Konami copying their every move! I can't wait for Eiyuden to drop!
Well... who knows, maybe your first theory is the one what's happening. Unlike Kojima and IGA, Murayama never had bad blood with Konami, left before the whole controversy erupted (or heck, when Konami started losing steam in PS2 in anywhere that's not Metal Gear...). So, it's possible that Konami approved Rabbit & Bear putting the 'Kick Me' label behind their backs. And seeing that Suikoden held less influence compared to Metal Gear, of course I think Konami would want to focus on Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater and the MGS collections first if they want to restore reputation. Though... I personally think it's not doing good. Not that I dislike Konami, but these days, the easiest path is to just frame everything to be like 'Konami is the bad guy' (Like the 2nd theory). And honestly, I think that theory is being petty as heck. Keeping hatred for so long and never moving on or giving a chance is never good and it's only making us look even uglier than what Konami did (Yeah, it was bad they did those things, but we need to learn to move on and heal up from the damage with time). So, I'm never gonna trust all who just keep yapping about bad bad Konami and how it's not moral to support them based on moral principles (because seriously, if that's just being pushed on to us, the meaning is lost. Screw that, in that case). But even so... I will take both Eiyuden and Suikoden remasters. I love JRPG, Suikoden holds a good memory on me, and I'm doing this not because I'm being 'held hostage' by nostalgia (and heck, I can just throw that back against the detractors, saying that they're being held hostage with their emotions and obsession to swing the hammer of karma on people they don't like... it's getting scarily like a rabid angry mob...), but because I do what I do as a gamer in the face of things that interest me or hold a good memory. So, I'll see what's going to happen soon. And yes, I am prepared for any events of any of those two getting cancelled for reasons... and I'm not even going to be mad. I'm done with this company hating, I'm just gonna focus on what I love. And JRPG and Suikoden are one of those. Failing that, there's a lot more to keep me from being all angry.
This is honestly an amazing comment. You do bring up some good points and who know if any of this stuff is actually true, all we can do now is wait and see how Konami moves lol. Thanks for watching fam!
i think it's not that deep, or hard, konami is not a single person, there is some people who like suikoden series there, but obviously the management have to see some profit possibility to do that, person who close to the to team who make eiyuden try to push the agenda together so they can make profit together, since this is their last chance,, if suikoden 1 and 2 remaster didn't work out. they might get red flag from the management for the entire series permanently..
i dont care. I will get both in the end. Suikoden because it gets the game off of the old consoles and finally to pc, as well as finally translations for the first game and improved translation for the second game. Eiyuden for being the spiritual successor. I just hoped Suikoden is a bit earlier as it is only a remaster, so i could alredy play it, until Eiyuden gets out.
It is Konami trying to be petti, thinking they can take people away from the game. But the People that Love Suikoden will buy the Remaster and will also buy Eiyuden.
I can guarantee you Suikoden 1 and 2 is alraady made and finished since 2 years ago. But due to the fact like you were saying how Konami is Just being petty konami It's known to hold IP's They don't care about consumer happy They are more anti-consumer they're just a business company trying to strip money from us and force us to play their products that's new
I believe you're over thinking it personally. Konami was happy making money off pachinko for many years. With the success of the EC kickstarter it became evident there was money to be made with suikoden. I don't know about others but there's no competition here for me. I'll get them both.
We'll most of these theories aren't personally mines. I was just stating the majority of thoughts I've been seeing around the net. As for me personally, I clearly see Konami just taking the opportunity by the horns. Which is okay, but I'm still not a fan of Konami. Ill definitely support both releases though! Thanks for watching!
@@kali-qgames1301 yes either way it's a win for players. If I have any concerns it would be the price point for Suikoden 1 & 2. $40 being the preferred high point. Anything higher is too much even for those two great games. I don't feel they're doing enough to justify top dollar.
if this is true then I don't understand their logic, Suikoden and Eiyuden aren't competing with each other, people are going to buy Suikoden AND Eiyuden.
Konami is a silly company now... Having said that, I'm gonna buy both. There is no way I'm not getting a suikoden 1/2 remaster, and there is no way I'm not getting Eiyuden. I even played teh silly side scroller, and it wasnt even good. Still gonna get eiyuden on release.
Facts! It's how I feel too! It's sad that Konami is in this state. I'm much more excited to support Eiyuden and play that. Thanks for watching friend :)
That's exactly what I'm saying. I do truly hope they do better. Thank you for watching my friend! Hopefully we can all enjoy Eiyuden and Suikoden when they finally release. We can all celebrate together
I think Konami is trying to sabotage a game that I can garuntee is going to be overhyped and underdeliver knowing my experience with games that break away from human-sue syndrome. I desperately want to see more games, especially RPGs, with some actual non-human characters, and we saw that with Chained Echoes and teeeeechnically Sea of Stars (even though that game's nonhuman kinda sucks) but I do not have much faith in Eiudyen Chronicles. Every game I look forward to ends up being trash.
@@kali-qgames1301 It seems like, if I follow a game, it turns out crap. The only time games I like seem to ever be good is if I ignore them till they come out. I followed Yooka-Laylee, it kinda sucked. I ignored its sequel until release, and it ended up being good.
I do not understand the reason behind ANY remaster.... there is no additional story line, there is no additional content beside a graphic upgrade ? There are so many untold story in Suikoden, so much more content that you can farm it out, but nal, take the easy way out, HD it -.- who cares... Konami... who cares. we stop caring the moment you stop giving Suikoden 6 any hope and please... if you are not able to make a good Suikoden 6 of a continuous of the original story and plot, don't do it, we are disappointed enough.
Honestly my friend, that's exactly where I'm at. Eiyuden all day!! And the more I see it, the more I'm way more hyped for it! Thanks for watching and commenting my friend.
My conspiracy is eiyuden is not real. There is not actual game and all we will eventually get is another mobile game and say they are still working on eiyuden
@@kali-qgames1301 its plain as day yet people see fit to gaslight us. if its true that they barely started work on the remaster before announcing then that actually demonstrates further that they wanted to capitalize on the hype of EC considering when they decided to announce it.
Do you guys believe there is any truth to these conspiracies? Or is it all hogwash and we just need to be patient?
This video is simply for the sake of discussion and keeping the games in the public eye.
Keep in mind I will be BUYING BOTH Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicle! I am extremely excited and I am just providing a forum for us all to converse and talk about the games. These are my honest thoughts and real opinions. Somebody has to do it for the community.
No, there are team members who are/have worked on both projects. There's no bad blood between them. Also Konami and Muriyama parted ways amicably, and from what both parties have said their relationship was professional and courteous.
I have a feeling it was more that the project was announced far too early in development, we have only been shown a handful of nostalgia or pretty areas. If they are rebuilding the games in the unity engine as some people suspect then bugs would crop up.
I think the most obvious and simple explanation is the correct one. Konami saw all the hype and success being generated by EC and then realized they could make some money. So they went "hey! We still make games! Remember Suikoden? You should buy it!"
No conspiracy or anything particularly interesting. They're just hoping to slipstream.
Most fans are like you.
They'll be buying both.
It's likely that the Suikoden 1+2 remasters will be way better than all the bs SquareEnix releases since it's fusion.
Of course I'll support beautiful remasters which are still jrpgs.
@@minusmett7882 Yeah I agree. Ill definitely be grabbing games to support them both! Though I'm more excited for Eiyuden! Which are you more hyped to play?
@@kali-qgames1301 Eiyuden ;) it's a new game
If the two companies were working together to share exposure they would just come out and say it, it wouldn't be some secret conspiracy. It's WAY more likely that Konami is trying to divert interest from Eiyuden Chronicle by releasing Suikoden around the same time, hoping that people who don't have enough money for both will choose the series they have nostalgia for instead of taking a risk on something new.
Right, the whole situation is peculiar as heck. But I'm leaning more towards how you feel. I truly think Konami is diverting attention from Eiyuden! But there are some folks who think that is total hogwash..lol as if companies don't compete with each other 😅
100% this. I want both, but if they release super close to each other I'm fully supporting Eiyuden. I'll still get around to Suikoden, but #FucKonami.
That's my take too. It really shocked me to run into see large groups on the internet who insisting they choose Suikoden to Eiyuden. I'm not sure if it's brand loyalty or they just don't know that it's largely the original creators making Eiyuden, and that the revived interest is only due to their risks and hard work... but the fact that those folks do exist indicates a plausible reason why Konami thinks they can profit from stealing Eiyuden's thunder. Really, for fans the best thing is for both of them to succeed, so hope my guess is wrong...
@@TheTruePacmanMGfuck konami too, when they killed suikoden, silent hill and metal gear solid. I already lost hope for that company.
I would easily choose The Eiyuden Chronicle over Suikoden easily, no questions asked.
Knowing Konami's reputation...I am inclined to believe they are being that petty. They didn't give two shits about Suikoden until Eiyuden starting making noise. All i can hope is they do a good job remastering Suikoden 1&2 and Eiyuden will also be a massive success and hopefully that can revive these games and they can keep making more of them.
I absolutely agree, trust me on I'm the same boat as you. Konami wanted some of that Eiyuden money so they churned out some half-baked remaster trailers. Haha I love Suikoden but it is what it is. Hopefully the remasters actually turn out good
@@kali-qgames1301i hope the resurrection of Suikpden 6 become true in the future... I want to see the unlisted true rune and new nation.
I hope both are massive success. And EC gets a sequel while Suikoden gets all games remastered and finally some dam sequels. I would be a very happy old ass gamer.
That would literally be the BEST case scenario. I want them both to succeed! That would be golden age JRPG stuff right there.
Thanks for sharing your comment :)
I still wanna know what's up with Pesmerga, Yuber and Hikusaak. Was so sad 4 and 5 were prequals XD. 5 is still such a good game though despite not having original devs so it's possible for Konami to make good Suikoden games. 4 would be a lot better once remaster fixes it's flaws like random encounter madness.
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True if Konami sees there is a market for these games they might ask certain people to at least work with them. At the end of the day a brand name does not amount to much if there is no talent behind it.
Right, right. I'm with you on that.
I still think Konami did the Suikoden series dirty, they had a chance to toe-to-toe with Final Fantasy but they were too cowardly to do it and now they see how loyal the Suikoden Fans are they trying to sabotage Eiyuden.
Of course they did. I wish Suikoden belonged to someone else. They are doing it just Because Eiyuden was successful. I bet we would have never seen these Remasters if it weren't the case
Thanks for your comment🙏🏽
This whole situation is extremely interesting right now. Im just hoping these two games actually come out next year with no more DELAYS between the two.
Facts!
So here is some facts, Do know that Yosh is really good friends with the Director of the HD remaster of Suikoden. and Yosh has not hidden the fact that he been helping a little bit with his friend. But Yosh is not working with Konami or HD Remaster's. Another fact Yosh asked for the IP back from Konami, and they said no. He even tried to see if he could even try to lay in easter eggs, but they said no also. So Konami is kinda being petty, but Yosh is not holding a grudge so he support the release. He stated it will in the long run get peeps to remember his old games/story; and later come and get EC:HH
It's definitely not a conspiracy. What's more, I can guess with 100% certainty that as soon as the Eiyuden release date is revealed, the Suikoden one will be as well, and it'll either be just before, or on the same day as Eiyuden
Now that would be quite a spectacle. If that happens I'll definitely cover it on the channel and add it to the list of monkey see monkey do by konami
Yeah Konami is definitely thinking "we need a piece of that pie let's hijack the hype". It's low, but completely standard vampiric behavior for them. Definitely not buying the Suikoden remasters.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. I've had tons of people fight me back on that and come at..but maybe that's just konami fanboys? It's so easy to see they tried to steal Eiyudens hype by releasing the so call remasters
Could just be Junko Kawano who is doing the art for both games not keeping up or being sick which delays both games or simply prioritizing Eiyuden first before finishing the Suikoden remasters so they have to wait for her to finish Eiyuden.
But Konami as shown many times that they are a trash company and trusting them is just hard for most people. Its definitely not a coincidence that the remaster is anounced after the success of the Eiyuden kickstarter, like any greedy company, they saw the interest was there, they saw an easy cash grab.
As for a Suikoden 6 possibility, that will not happen, we are talking about Konami here ruled by pachinko overlords who mistreats and makes their game devs run away. They are prolly gonna milk Suikoden 3-4-5 remasters if the sales are good. At best you might get another Tierkreis/The Woven Web of a Century. Even if they did make a Suikoden 6 they would put so little effort you would have wished they stopped at 5.
Konami is so trash, I don't trust them haha. But maybe you're eom to something. We'll see
You summed up what I've been thinking all along. 481M JPY (about 3.2M USD) is not a small amount of money, I don't think Konami would allow that opportunity gone. And even more digusting, Konami is kinda using Eiyuden's hype for free promotion, it is fair, I just don't like it.
Pro: we got Eiyuden and Suiko 1&2 remaster, and might be another remaster from 3, 4, 5
Cons: I just hate Konami
I think Konami wants to release the remasters after Eiyuden Chronicle is released. That way, if EC does well, people will be more interested in checking out the game that inspired it. Kind of like how Cobra Kai's success on Netflix probably led to a bunch of people checking out the original Karate Kid movies.
Ahh that's a really good point about cobra Kai. I never thought about it like that. I'll come back to your comment if Konami indeed announces Suikoden after Eiyuden. We'll definitely see what they end up doing. I appreciate your comment my friend
Thats too positive lol. The team already left konami, while konami keeps the ownership of suikoden while the creator lost it. Konami will do anything to killed the new product of their old suikoden teams for leaving the company. Because konami knows they cant create a new suikoden because the creator and the brain behind it, leave them. What they can is only remastering the old ones and cancelling the new one from the creator.
I remember reading before that they didn't leave, the contracts just ended and he said he was open to returning if they wanted but they didn't ask or something like that.
It all boils down to $$$. If Konami and R&B Studio can both benefit from the renewed interest of Suikoden because of Eiyuden, IMO I don't think Konami will try to sabotage them. It's in both parties interest to capitalize and make money off the franchise, not end it.
Remember when blue whale was going to release a stealth action game and then it was kojima and konami for phantom pain
Haha yes, that was wild
If i had to guess, my guess would be that Konami took the delay as a green light to take a breath and spend more time on the remaster. Maybe we'll get better sprites out of this. Who knows.
Let's truly truly hope so friend. I want to wish for the best, so I hope Konami will do the right thing and give this remaster true Justice
@kali-qgames1301 Konami has made it fairly clear that they have very limited remaining interest in the video game industry. On the plus side, it also means they are very relaxed when it comes to fan made titles. It also means that the possibility of collaboration behind the scenes is not a far-fetched idea. Konami is in sort of an "anything goes" mood right now.
Fans have BEGGED Konami for years and years for them to make more Suikoden. I do think Eiyuden lit a fire under Konami. When they took in 5 Mil on Kickstarter, it gave Konami a true wake up call of "Oh damn, they really will pay for more Suikoden." It took them SO LONG to even get Suikoden II on the old PS3 Store where Suikoden 1 was on there for years. And for that, it takes very little effort on their part yet they still delayed it so long.
R+B lit a fire under Konami, of this I have no doubt. They likely want to both cash-in and hurt R+B by releasing the remasters at the same time. Also, I think there was probably some truth to the 2023 scheduling stuff... They probably would have released the remasters in a more buggy mess if EC came out this year, to compete. But since they delayed, Konami decided to delay too so they could polish it some more. It's about time though, Konami finally doing something with Suikoden. It's been a damn shame that it just simply sat.
I know I was sick of it, and apparently 5 Million dollars worth of fans were tired of it to... I do with they would bring in Miki Higashino to make the soundtrack for EC. But, can't have everything.
Listen, I completely agree with you. Eiyuden is looking amazing meanwhile we can't even get an updated trailer on the remasters. It's a shame.
But I truly appreciate your comment, thank you for watching my video! Means alot to me
With regards to the Eiyuden delay I think you hit the nail on the head with your first point. Crowdfunded games by smaller studios get delayed regularly and they probably just underestimated the time needed to finish it.
My opinion on the Suiko delay is that they probably were never going to hit that original 2023 date. I think they probably rushed the trailer out to capitalize on the hype despite not having much the game completed. I don't think it was pushed back specifically because Eiyuden was, I just think they never had plans on having it finished by 2023.
You're definitely right about Suiko remaster owing it's existence to Eiyuden though. I just don't think it's petty or spiteful. Game companies love to ignore fans asking for the revival of beloved franchises because they need to know beforehand whether it'll be financially beneficial. Eiyuden smashing all of their goals was probably the push they needed in order to see that yes, there is still an actual market for these games.
Not to mention I would assume both companies would want the other to do well just because the success of one game would mean that people will be wanting more of a similar experience. If Eiyuden is successful then new fans will probably be more willing to try out Suikoden and vice versa. But on the flipside modern Konami kinda sucks and I wouldn't totally dismiss claims that they're just being greedy.
As always thanks for the Suikoden content! Best JRPG ever!
Thank you so much for sharing your awesome insightful comment. I truly believe Eiyuden has been a huge turning point for the Suiko remasters. I just can't wait to see what the result of all of this is. I truly appreciate you supporting and watching my content my dear friend! Thank you much
I just came to say we need:
Suikoden III
Suikoden IV
AND SWEET Suikoden V remasters as well...
OMG!! I sure hope, no matter the right conspiracy, that we get all those games as well, because I sure am hoping for a huge success on Eiyuden Chronicles
Ahh you know so very well. A remaster for Suikoden V would be absolutely amazing! Suikoden v is so underrated to me!
Let's hope that Eiyuden breeds more attention and awareness I'm the whole Suikoden series. It's a great time to finally have some hope!!
Agreed, I also want Tierkreis to have a remaster too, the story of that is good and sweet but not Woven Web of the Century (psp) that game is trash and don't count as a Suikoden series.
The konami store just announced some suikoden I & II merch.
The timing is weird. They are marketing it as a suikoden II anniversary but they are including merch for the first installment as well. These could have been the merch intended to go up with the preorders, but this is just a hunch.
I know the konami shop isn’t directly managed by konami, but this actually further lends weight to the hypothesis that the delay is a last minute decision that the shop wasn’t informed of.
Aw good eye! I just noticed this comment so its very well that this whole delay was a last minute decision.
I wouldn't say that the Suikoden remasters only are happening because of Eiyuden Chronicles. Im sure the other remasters have some hand in it. Seems like its been jump started by Octopath Traveler, since several remasters are based on its look and style.
Eiyuden Chronicles is now available to pre-order digitally, so I'm surprised Konami hasnt responded in kind yet.
That said, I hope both do fantastically well! And I really do hope that the entire Suikoden series gets a remaster including the Gaidens and Web of a Woven Century or whatever Konami wants to call it. And hopefully a new game, that manages to tie in the DS and PSP games.
suikoden 2 is one of my favourites , i spent days resetting the game file trying to save nanami,
i did the gate glitch and recruited all the stars before the time limit mark i repeated this step countless times these was all but rumours there was limited info back then and the internet wasn't as accessible as it is now.
Lol long live the gate glitch! Suikoden is also one of my favorite of all times! Thanks for watching the video :)
I don't think the companies are conspiring together. But at the same time I don't think that Konami is trying to undermine RabbitBear. There is a third option: Konami is hoping to piggy back off the success of Eiyuden to sell remasters of Suikoden. For years Konami has ignored the property of Suikoden but Eiyuden's kickstarter success has shown that folks are interested. They actually can't undermine Eiyuden's success because just about all that kickstarter money is already units sold. So there is no point to try and "steal attention." Instead I think they are now trying to cater to a customer base they didn't realize they had. Releasing the remasters near Eiyuden increases the chances of those who already kickstarted Eiyuden (we've already paid long ago) throwing some funds to the remaster. They are trying to release during peak interest and if Eiyuden can get enough folks to buy Suikoden remasters there is probably a chance Konami will commit a studio to resuming the series. But the suits leading this gambit need success on this remaster sale for everything to proceed.
If the goal was to somehow undermine Eiyuden then their goal would be to not only get a remaster out before Eiyuden but to evaluate its success as quickly as possible to possibly tease a new entry to the series around or before the release of Eiyuden. And for any of that to really undermine Eiyuden means it would have had to happen during the kickstarter campaign as a means to divert money from RabbitBear to Konami.
If they were working together, like you said, it would actually be more beneficial to both to be public about it.
It's all very interesting! All I know is that I'm super excited for Eiyuden and I hope the Suikoden Remasters get a release date soon! Either way, great time to be a JRPG fan
Eiyuden was just announced for April '24. Konami's move now. We'll know for sure soon.
We will definitely know if Konami will announce soon. That's just how they are lol. Thanks for commenting :)
Im really glad this viddo os doing well! Thank you for always thinking about the Suikoden and Eiyuden community!!
Me too I'm super hyped about this video doing so well!
I just hope Suiko I & II isn't just a remaster like Secret of Mana HD, where SE only adds 3D graphics, voice acting, and new arrangements for the OST (which they are very much hits and misses), without adding back the stories that were cut back in the 90s because of the medium's (SNES cartridge) capacities.
I really hope it's alot of effort too my friend. It would be a shame to wait this long just to receive a terrible port
Also, love your avatar, goat show lol
@@kali-qgames1301 thanks, man! Lupin the III part 2 has everything; funny story, cool action scenes, and amazing soundtrack.
Perhaps a Konami executive realized that maybe, just maybe the whole pachinko thing isn't the basket to put all their chips in.
Haha ain't that the truth. I'm hoping this remaster isn't cancelled
i thought the same at first. But now, Eiyuden Chronicle is around the corner and there's no news on the Suikoden Remaster. But Konami will surf the Hype wave from Eiyuden Chronicle, that's a fact.
I hope Eiyuden Chronicle does justice to the Suikoden legacy. I would love to see it become a franchise and get it's own world the way Suikoden did. When they had Hero McDohl and Gremio in part 2 along with all the other returning characters, it was awesome! When it was revealed that Luc was the bad guy in part 3, that was awesome! When they had Ted in part 4, broken record and all, that was awesome!
I absolutely LOVED how interconnected the first 3 Suikoden games were. It made you feel like you were growing with the story over the years. And the world and lore just felt so vast and wide.
Let's hope they can do it my friend! We'll celebrate the release together 🙏🏽
I just hope Konami is truthful and is actively working on Suikoden I & II to deliver an awesome definitive version of those games and not some half-baked Remasters.
I really hope so too. Let's pray those Suikoden remasters aren't just lazy done jobs and a real shot at reviving the series
I 100% think Konami is doing it because of EC. Including the delay.
I love Suikoden! But this game looks far better. Of course nothing will ever top S2 story telling and characters for me.
Suikoden should be either remade/have added side quests, characters and more features. They should just jam pack it. Even have a creature capture mode or something. Just load it up. Give us the original game. But add more more more more. Suikoden is a masterpiece that just wasn't promoted enough. I stumbled accross is in a video rental store and got obsessed. If it weren't for that I would have never known about this work of art.
So hyped for EC.
I'm in agreement with you my friend. EC has managed to make me so hyped the same I would be if it were Suikoden 6. So I guess that's all I need haha.
S2 storytelling will always be the greatest. But hopefully EC does decent
Konami asked the character artist (who also is the artist for Eiyuden) to come and work on the pixel art for the original characters for the remaster. As far as I know, they are working together in a good relationship with Konami. I have a feeling the character pixel art may be slightly improved during this delay. Suikoden rerelease would make rabbit&bear feel proud to have their work still out there and loved. It makes sense they would work together and both benefit from the hype.
Further, Konami may realize things they thought weren't working anymore could work again. After Suikoden 3, they really lost their magic. Perhaps rabbit&bear may be licensed Suikoden for a new entry if these do well. From the developer videos, you can tell they're really passionate about their stories.
This is actually very likely! I didn't know that they asked the character artist specifically to come and help. Thanks for your input friend, and for watching the vid!
I think Konami made a mistake. Now they have to up the ante and make sure the remaster collection is super polished and has lots of QoL improvements. If not, they just made Eiyuden the go-to series instead of a spiritual successor. I don't think Konami thought Eiyuden was going to be this good
I wouldn't be surprised if it's either one. I don't put it past them to be working together because they both would benefit from the double coverage. Although that's just my guess but I think there's a potential good outcome in the long haul because we potentially have two series giving us games. Even though I don't fully trust Konami, if the remaster performs well and Konami sees a future in the series, then that would be great. Admittedly, that's a major long shot and pipe dream right now but who knows, we'll just have to see.
I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised any more at this point. All I know is that something is definitely going on. But you're right, let's just see what happens. Either way im not really trusting Konami right now
Nah. Like other people in the comments have mentioned, Konami is trying to capitalize on the Eiyuden Chronicles hype.
I mean, didn't they pull this same stunt with TMNT Cowabunga Collection? They announced it soon after TMNT Shredder's Revenge was announced.
I agree fam, It's clear konami wanted some of the Eiyuden pie lol
Respectfully brotha…Konami on that bull. I’ve even been apart of a petition to get Suiko games back, and they’ve ignored the base. I think Konami’s goal is to spite R&B, not help them.
I agree with you my brother, it's all good. Because I'm so much more hyped for Eiyuden anyway. So shame on Konami lol.
Thanks for your comment
Although it's very possible somebody at Konami is doing this out of spite.. The MUCH more likely possibility is that they're just riding on the coattails of the success of the Kickstarter. The game industry as a whole does this time and time again. When a game goes HUGE, developers start making similar games.
Konami has a long history of being petty. Look at Baldur's Gate 3 vs. Starfield. It's a Thunder Stealing tactic. It's a bigger company trying to stifle a smaller one. People only have a limited amount of time and money. It doesn't make sense to release close together because they'll cannibalize each other's sales. Konami loves to spite their talent especially when they leave. They haven't changed since what happened with Kojima.
You're right that the Kickstarter is the only reason the Remasters exist. And as for Konami liking money... they left the gaming market to pursue Pachinko machines and Mobile because that's where the money was in their eyes. They saw there was money in those RPGs and wanted to capitalize on it with minimal investment.
Haha thank you so much for watching my video. It's nice to speak to folk like you who can see through these companies. So many people place blind Faith in this companies and forget that they are a business. I will definitely call them out though haha
We do know the OG artist did work with both companies, but I think that was out of love for the fans more than anything(and they hopefully paid her well). I don't think they're working together YET. But I have my fingers crossed they now realize Murayama and the whole teams worth, and will all but beg for them to return for a Suikoden 6. I realize it's a long shot, but I think there's at least a chance, if only for the profit Konami stands to make if they do so.
Ya know, I'm hoping that they realize how awesome Murayama is too!
I'm just hoping Eiyuden has a Sea Of Stars like success. That would be such a big statement from Rabbit and Bear
Konami should've take advantage by delayed Hundred Heroes, they should release Suikoden in 2023, so the fans have options to buy Suikoden in 2023 and Hundred heroes in 2024
Right I completely agree, but who knows when they will release now. I just hope soon!
Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Kali, if hypothetically they WERE in kahoots, what could possibly be the benefit to Rabbit & Bear Studio? I get the benefit to Konami. But, I'm coming up blank for a reason that Murayama might help Konami potentially take sales away from his own game by releasing them simultaneously. What do you think?
That's what I can't seem to place my finger on. It makes me wonder if maybe there is some agreement behind the scenes. But it could very well just be Konami stepping on toes. I don't see what Rabbit and Bear would benefit from though, they have already benefited on their on with the success of the Kickstarter. So who knows, the WHOLE situation is peculiar as heck!
As the main artist Junko Kawano helped/is helping in the suikoden remaster maybe rabbit and bear could get some support the other way around in the way of workers or contacts ? They have revealed some well known voice actors@@kali-qgames1301
I mean let's face it. Suikoden isn't going to sell gangbusters. It'll do well enough but won't do Xenoblade or Final Fantasy numbers. Releasing close to Eiyuden and allowing one or the other to piggy back is likely going to have more people check the franchise out.
Suikoden is a franchise worth playing and the more eyes on it the better. The vast majority of people who adore Suikoden are likely going to buy both on launch as is.
That's how I feel too. I'm definitely be buying it as well. And I agree with you, it's only going to do so well. But I do hope it does well enough to make a difference.
Thanks a ton for checking out my video and watching! Means alot!
I think both companies work together in some way. It's not conspiracy in my eyes, even if I thought so earlier as well. Junko Kawano stated that she drew all of the Suikoden HD Remaster facial arts herself, so she was working with Konami ALONGSIDE Rabbit and Bear Studio. I think both studios work behind closed curtains to bring the maximum out of both games so that players can enjoy them to their fullest. For sure they have plans, but they won't let people know.
That could very well be the case. Overall I just hope it means more for the genre in general. There could be some collaboration in there somewhere.
@@kali-qgames1301 I hope so, too. People are so toxic these days, it's a shame. They think so negative and if something's not up to their personal wishes they get mad and angry, especially on social media. It sucks :(
Honestly knowing konami, it wont surprise me that they are trying to parasite EC success also it shouldnt take them 3 years to complete a remaster on this level assuming that they began working on it around EC announcement (which was around 2020). Also Suikoden 1 deserved a remaster as it feels dated but 2 not so much, 3 and 4 however should have been remastered imo, 5 is fine.
That's exactly how I feel. But current Konami is a mess. Hard to trust them. I agree on the modern Suikodens needing to be remastered. Thank for checking out my vid out!
Given Junko Kawano worked on the Remaster it seems unlikely to me that this is a spiteful move. Though I don't know the actual reason, I think Konami might genuinely be stretched with the number of projects they have.
It seems odd for sure. Either way I just want both. I'm hopeful we get alot of good news soon.
Appreciate you bud! Thanks for checking out the video! Yeah that's where I'm at too, I just want both games in library. The wait is painful lol
If this was a remake i would understand the delays but its just a remaster and afaik they are not adding anything new. They did the same thing when TMNT Shredders Revenge came out. Two months later a TMNT collection came out.
Seriously I agree, to me it's no excuse. This better be the best remaster ever lol
I would say Suikoden 1+2 remasters exist half because of Eiyuden, half due to the fact every other JRPG in history is on the Switch and most have sold pretty well.
I truly do hope they sell extremely well. It would be great for the series and the genre. Switch is a Haven for the big sales
It's definitely pettiness. There is no benefit to releasing a bunch of RPGs closely together, they take time to play. I'm guessing the remaster will be announced to release about 1 month before Eiyuden for maximum upstaging.
Now that we know Eiyudens release date we shall see. It's Konami's move now. Let's see if the pettiness continues
Konami is that classmate who fails all exams but try everything to fail you
Lmbo I love it. Perfectly put. I don't trust konami
There isn't a conspiracy. Suikoden 1 and 2 are still able to be played on the ps1, ps2 and ps3. People are going to buy both regardless.
i can care less if it's a conspiracy or not, i mean if games like Suikoden 1 & 2 came back,
im hoping that's a sign for other classics can make a return.
if Suikoden 3 gets announced out of nowhere, i will be a happy camper.
if Tomb Raider 1-3 can come back, why not others.
that being said Eiyuden Chronicle is a fun game.
I agree brah. Konami is like "you aren't allowed to outshine us." They just jelly. But I think they will now come out with a Suikoden 6 because of Eiyuden Chronicles success. The Suikoden 1 & 2 sales will also play a part in whether they decide a part 6 is worth their time. Suikoden 4 & 5 were horrible in my opinion. So I hope if they do make a part 6 it will be similar to Suikoden 1 - 3
I absolutely agree. I'd be hard pressed not to believe that was their mindset. I really do hope they remaster Suikoden 3 as well!!
@@kali-qgames1301 yea that would be a treat as well. fingers crossed they do. I loved that game.
5 is one of the greatest jrpgs ever made alongside Suikoden 2 and is the only one that came close to Suikoden 2.
Suikoden 3 is also great but its experimental and more like a spin off than a full fledged title in my opinion.
I liked 4 a lot.... :(
@@PuroKross 5 was so bad I lost interest after the first 3 hours and stopped playing it..
I want to believe that behind the scenes, the two companies are working together to promote each other's release and build up hype. HOWEVER, it's also not hard to assume Konami is just dusting off a long dead franchise because money can made riding the hype of another game. Konami is scummy enough to do it.
I don't doubt that at all. Konami, is gonna Konami ya know? All I know is that I'm all in for Eiyuden right now.
Hopefully Konami announces the Suikoden remasters soon
It is really obvious that Konami is trying to steal the debut success of Eiyuden chronicles. Of course everyone will buy both games, but it is about the launch of this new title, they are trying to make it less hyped by fans of suikoden, while everyone know that Suikoden fans are really mad of Konami for letting it without any new titles.
Its so unfortunate, I really hope that Konami focuses on delivering an awesome experience! Instead of being petty lol
Unfortunately that's what business is all about
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I want a remake of suikoden 1 and 2 with eiyuden's gameplay
That would be so darn amazing! Id love that!!
Seriously Konami still has no news of release date . So annoying . Now, Eiyuden already has release date
Yup! And that's why I'm so hyped for Eiyuden! It's looking so amazing! Thank you for watching!!
I dont think its a conspiracy but I wouldnt put it past Konami to see the game garnered 4 million dollars in a kickstarter and saw there was interest. Then decided to do a remaster and wait to release it around the time Eiyuden Chronicles does. They want a piece of the pie since they did it first. Just smart business on their part. Though id rather them put in the effort to release a new and improved Suikoden if thats the case lol.
I can see that. But Eiyuden definitely lit a fire under Konami's butt lol
if the conspiracy is they want to sell more games, I tell you, I'll surely buy the games with or without conspiracy. ❤
Eiyuden's graphics are crisp, consistent, and gorgeous. (Disclaimer, I'm a backer)
Suikoden Remaster looks like clipart from 80 different torrent packs, slapped on the screen, then run through a blue filter. Lazy. Even the redrawn profile art, despite being from the same artist as the original, looks WORSE!!! No depth, no tactility... Get this trash off my desk!
(Yeah I'll probably still buy it. Don't look at me.)
That's how I feel as well. You can tell Konami announced it super quick to jump on the hype. While Eiyuden is looking solid! Haha don't worry though, I'll still buy it too unfortunately. That's the grip Konami has on me because they own Suikoden :(
Buy Eiyuuden and pirate suikoden remaster, ez
Lmbo I like you. Good answer
I think they just want more money. Eiyuden is bound to be success in selling. The new player gonna ask the question, are there similar game? People will recommend suikoden series. Then they buy suikoden, the old game, with full price with the remaster. It's not konami want to ruin eiyuden. They want the piece of cake after eiyuden success.
I agree, they are after a piece of the pie, I really hope they do the remasters well
I’m ok with the delay. My backlog is huge!
I can see that, but I just want better updates when it comes to these remasters
What's the music used in the video ? I love it
Suikoden 5- Rafleet :)
I think Konami is just trying to undercut Eiyden Chronicles.
I think so too, it's such a shame ya know?
Thanks so much for watching my video :)
Konami is being opportunistic. Maybe they don't have any spite. They just want to capitalize the exposure that is generated by Eiyuden. I'm not sure conspiring with Konami gives added value for Murayama.
It's just that after seeing the success of the Kickstarter, Konami realized that the Suikoden fans are actually for real want to play Suikoden games. Suikoden fans have been begging for years to Konami to at least port the old games to modern consoles & PC. The fans also begged to Murayama, the original creator of Suikoden, but since he is not in Konami anymore & the Suikoden IP is owned by Konami, he cannot revive the series even if he wanted to. Finally, he, with other game developers, including who were in the original Suikoden team found a way with Kickstarter, that have brought other classic games revival.
Now looking at the money raised in Kickstarter, Konami has finally been convinced that it is worth to invest in the series. Yeah, after several years begging, they just don't care but when there's money they are suddenly excited bringing Suikoden back. I'm not sure I'm happy with Konami move though. We'll see. But certainly, I will support Murayama team's works.
But I will support The Eiyuden Chronicle - Hundred Heros more. Reason being they actually making a complete new game, story, heros. Staying true to the old play style but adding new effects and dimension to the game aswell. It all depends atmosphere and storyline on how they portrait this game now. My favourite Suikoden games were 1,2 and 5. Mainly the play style and rich amazing storyline (Emotions in these series all have : Humour, sadness, joy and pain and multiply Endings).
IF Eiyuden Chronicle - Hundred Heros can produce a game like that. I rather support and buy this game first rather then a remake of Suidoken 1,2.
To ensure they have the success and carry on producing more game series like this. Rather than Konami just touching up a game and reselling it because they too lazy, greedy and salty to produce something new.
Hopefully Eiyuden end up being a huge amazing success. I will definitely buy multiple copies to support this game!
I'm with you, I'd much rather support Eiyuden going forward, as I have more faith in it than I do Konami right now.
Honestly, feel it's better to support Eiyuden chronicles over Suikoden 2. Eiyuden is made by former Konami devs who got screwed over just like Iga did. I rather they get my money over Konami.
That's honestly how I feel as well. I feel much better about the Eiyuden project especially after seeing Konami copying their every move! I can't wait for Eiyuden to drop!
Well... who knows, maybe your first theory is the one what's happening. Unlike Kojima and IGA, Murayama never had bad blood with Konami, left before the whole controversy erupted (or heck, when Konami started losing steam in PS2 in anywhere that's not Metal Gear...). So, it's possible that Konami approved Rabbit & Bear putting the 'Kick Me' label behind their backs.
And seeing that Suikoden held less influence compared to Metal Gear, of course I think Konami would want to focus on Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater and the MGS collections first if they want to restore reputation. Though... I personally think it's not doing good. Not that I dislike Konami, but these days, the easiest path is to just frame everything to be like 'Konami is the bad guy' (Like the 2nd theory). And honestly, I think that theory is being petty as heck. Keeping hatred for so long and never moving on or giving a chance is never good and it's only making us look even uglier than what Konami did (Yeah, it was bad they did those things, but we need to learn to move on and heal up from the damage with time).
So, I'm never gonna trust all who just keep yapping about bad bad Konami and how it's not moral to support them based on moral principles (because seriously, if that's just being pushed on to us, the meaning is lost. Screw that, in that case). But even so... I will take both Eiyuden and Suikoden remasters. I love JRPG, Suikoden holds a good memory on me, and I'm doing this not because I'm being 'held hostage' by nostalgia (and heck, I can just throw that back against the detractors, saying that they're being held hostage with their emotions and obsession to swing the hammer of karma on people they don't like... it's getting scarily like a rabid angry mob...), but because I do what I do as a gamer in the face of things that interest me or hold a good memory.
So, I'll see what's going to happen soon. And yes, I am prepared for any events of any of those two getting cancelled for reasons... and I'm not even going to be mad. I'm done with this company hating, I'm just gonna focus on what I love. And JRPG and Suikoden are one of those. Failing that, there's a lot more to keep me from being all angry.
This is honestly an amazing comment. You do bring up some good points and who know if any of this stuff is actually true, all we can do now is wait and see how Konami moves lol.
Thanks for watching fam!
Today Eiyuden Chronicles got a release date today, let's see what Konami do after this.
Right! I bet they announce it as April 9th 😂😂
i think it's not that deep, or hard, konami is not a single person, there is some people who like suikoden series there, but obviously the management have to see some profit possibility to do that, person who close to the to team who make eiyuden try to push the agenda together so they can make profit together, since this is their last chance,, if suikoden 1 and 2 remaster didn't work out. they might get red flag from the management for the entire series permanently..
True, let's just hope both games come out and be huge successes. I just want more of the Suiko/Eiyuden lore whichever way we must get it lol
i dont care. I will get both in the end. Suikoden because it gets the game off of the old consoles and finally to pc, as well as finally translations for the first game and improved translation for the second game. Eiyuden for being the spiritual successor. I just hoped Suikoden is a bit earlier as it is only a remaster, so i could alredy play it, until Eiyuden gets out.
Is the remaster good for ps5?or not?is it a physical game or a digital?
Maybe both?
It is Konami trying to be petti, thinking they can take people away from the game. But the People that Love Suikoden will buy the Remaster and will also buy Eiyuden.
That sound alike Konami to me lol. I'll definitely buy both, but I'm looking forward more so to Eiyuden right now :)
I think they are doing it closer together to help each other.
That definitely could be the case David. Either way I'm extremely hyped! Will you be buying Eiyuden day one?
I can guarantee you Suikoden 1 and 2 is alraady made and finished since 2 years ago. But due to the fact like you were saying how Konami is Just being petty konami It's known to hold IP's They don't care about consumer happy They are more anti-consumer they're just a business company trying to strip money from us and force us to play their products that's new
I believe you're over thinking it personally. Konami was happy making money off pachinko for many years. With the success of the EC kickstarter it became evident there was money to be made with suikoden. I don't know about others but there's no competition here for me. I'll get them both.
We'll most of these theories aren't personally mines. I was just stating the majority of thoughts I've been seeing around the net.
As for me personally, I clearly see Konami just taking the opportunity by the horns. Which is okay, but I'm still not a fan of Konami.
Ill definitely support both releases though! Thanks for watching!
@@kali-qgames1301 yes either way it's a win for players. If I have any concerns it would be the price point for Suikoden 1 & 2. $40 being the preferred high point. Anything higher is too much even for those two great games. I don't feel they're doing enough to justify top dollar.
I knew that's what this would be about. THEY ARE 100% being petty as hell. Let's see those remasters launch in April lmfaoo
Heck yeah!! We got out Remasters coming lmbo. Konami watching like 👀👀
Konami has ALWAYS been petty as hell. I already knew once they pushed back Eiyuden they would push back suikoden. 😂 and here it is. Inevitable.
Exactly, that's the game they love to play. Petty petty lol. 😂 Thanks for commenting :)
You guys forgetting the elephant in the room, Balders Gate 3
Oh trust me I know
if this is true then I don't understand their logic, Suikoden and Eiyuden aren't competing with each other, people are going to buy Suikoden AND Eiyuden.
Right that's how I feel. I'll definitely be buying both too. But hey, it's Konami haha
Wow over 100 playble?! It is a new history for rpg that have hundred playable character....
Yes its a big deal! I love it :)
Exactly, be sure to stick around on the channel for more cleebrationn of the Suikoden series ;)
Konami is a silly company now... Having said that, I'm gonna buy both. There is no way I'm not getting a suikoden 1/2 remaster, and there is no way I'm not getting Eiyuden. I even played teh silly side scroller, and it wasnt even good. Still gonna get eiyuden on release.
Facts! It's how I feel too! It's sad that Konami is in this state. I'm much more excited to support Eiyuden and play that. Thanks for watching friend :)
If it just a simple HD remastered version of Suikoden, then, no thank you konami.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I do truly hope they do better. Thank you for watching my friend! Hopefully we can all enjoy Eiyuden and Suikoden when they finally release. We can all celebrate together
2 games coming out same time is a competition not double hype lol
True
I think Konami is trying to sabotage a game that I can garuntee is going to be overhyped and underdeliver knowing my experience with games that break away from human-sue syndrome. I desperately want to see more games, especially RPGs, with some actual non-human characters, and we saw that with Chained Echoes and teeeeechnically Sea of Stars (even though that game's nonhuman kinda sucks) but I do not have much faith in Eiudyen Chronicles. Every game I look forward to ends up being trash.
Sometimes it happens, buy I'm really hoping Eiyuden Chronicle can meet all of our expectations!!
@@kali-qgames1301 It seems like, if I follow a game, it turns out crap. The only time games I like seem to ever be good is if I ignore them till they come out. I followed Yooka-Laylee, it kinda sucked. I ignored its sequel until release, and it ended up being good.
We need now breath of fire 3 and 4.
And legend of legaia
I'm feeling everything you saying! I would love all of this to be honest!! You're on point
I do not understand the reason behind ANY remaster.... there is no additional story line, there is no additional content beside a graphic upgrade ? There are so many untold story in Suikoden, so much more content that you can farm it out, but nal, take the easy way out, HD it -.- who cares... Konami... who cares. we stop caring the moment you stop giving Suikoden 6 any hope and please... if you are not able to make a good Suikoden 6 of a continuous of the original story and plot, don't do it, we are disappointed enough.
It's gonna backfire on Konami if they challenge them 😅
That's what I feel and think as well. But who really knows at this point. I just hope these games actually come out
suikoden sprinkled salt! eiyuden gets -10 damage every passing turn until game release
Lmbo 😂😂
Regardless I’m buying EC. I’m over waiting for Suikoden
Honestly my friend, that's exactly where I'm at. Eiyuden all day!! And the more I see it, the more I'm way more hyped for it! Thanks for watching and commenting my friend.
Konami is not the one to trust your money. I support Eiyden Chronicle now.
I agree with you honestly. I don't trust Konami at all
I love that background music its from Suikoden 5 hehe
Ahh yeah, nice you noticed. Smart you are true Suikoden fan 😉
It’s not a conspiracy at all. It’s common sense
Haha I feel you. But tell that to some of these Konami lovers and defenders
Video seems interesting, but poor mic audio kept me from watching all the way through.
Yeah that's something I'm definitely working on asap. I know my mic isn't the best.
Thanks for giving the vid a chance though!
Remaster is good .but I think they should it at list one remake
That would be so awesome in my.opinion! I absolutely love that idea. You grabbing Suikoden HD on day one?
I love S1 and S2, but I'd rather see an S6
Same here, I definitely feel on that my friend
I don't care if they're in cahoots with satan, give me the games ahhh!
Lmbo man, deal with the devil around huh
sounds like Konami is trying to steel the smaller companies thunder and money.
I mean I wouldn't doubt it! That's Konami for ya
My conspiracy is eiyuden is not real. There is not actual game and all we will eventually get is another mobile game and say they are still working on eiyuden
I actually like this Conspiracy more than those others 😂
@@kali-qgames1301 might be a video there. Cause this just stinks of shady business
konami is predictable af... many people called them delaying after ec did...
Right! I legitimately knew that Konami would do it.
@@kali-qgames1301 its plain as day yet people see fit to gaslight us.
if its true that they barely started work on the remaster before announcing then that actually demonstrates further that they wanted to capitalize on the hype of EC considering when they decided to announce it.
I'm getting ALL OF THESE GAMES
Same here! I'm grabbing both as well!! It's an awesome time to be a Suikoden fan!
pachinko company should just stick on their pachinko balls
Facts! I'm so glad we have Eiyuden lol