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The key here is JJ is wearing a M Motorsports sweater
Shaq has been Kobe’s most ardent supporter since his death. It wasn’t like that prior to that. Remember when he famously asked Kobe what his a$$ taste like.
Ofc that was in the prime of his career when him and Kobe were beefing, Shaq was still a kid in his early 20s and Kobe didn’t help things either by always slandering Shaq to the media but hey live and learn
Wrong they had a sit down got back cool
You are misinformed, they squashed the beef before he passed
You didn't see the interview I see 😂
Lebron is top tier longevity speak on his own. But jordan on the other hands is accolades championship.
“accolades, championships” doesn’t make sense cuz bill russell has more rings than jordan
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@@johnnyjudge4618But not more FMVPs
As far as longevity he’s the goat. But if you look at how good players were in their peak then by no means is LeBron the goat in that category
@@trisalyxwho has a better combination of individual skills and team dominance than Jordan? Jordan led the GOAT dynasty in the modern era. Jordan is better at basketball than LeBron and Russell
JJ - “I don’t care, but now let me tell you why Lebron is great and MJ played in a watered down league.”
I look at hoopers more like avengers. They all have a skill set and bring something different to the table. I don’t take for granted getting to see all these elite players.
So lebron is Hawkeye in your analogy. Got it😂😂😂
@@Meme_dad1Bron is iron man mj is black widow 💀🤡🤖
Yep they posse a great skill set
When people toss paper into a bin or shoot around they yell "Kobe". No one is out here saying "LeBron"
So that makes him the goat? OBJ caused thousands of kids to change their hair. Does that make him better than Jerry rice? lol. Things that have nothing to with the actual sport shouldn’t be included in the goat debate. Just like MJ’s shoes, that had nothing to do with playing basketball
They don't yell "Jordan" either so what's your point?? They do say "LeBronJames" 😁
I been yelling Kobe after every shot since 97. Goated
That "Kobe" thing is hilarious. Most people born before maybe 1981, 1982 ((yes "Boomers")), don't know anything about saying "Kobe" when shooting anything. Lol.
MF is yelling KOBE whenever they shoot something because whenever KOBE had it he was shooting. No matter what it was, basketball, trash, drawls into dirty clothes hamper. WHATEVER 🗣 KOBE
Sounds like you are having a goat debate JJ 😂
He's debating based on generation not who's the better player unc
@@eatmakock3646saying MJ Dominated on a quote watered down time is not debating for you?
Respectfully, Kobe isn’t in the Goat conversation. The Goat conversation is Lebron, MJ, and Kareem.
Kobe isn't in any conversation except the one you tell your kids when talking about stranger danger.
And neither are Bron and Kareem.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this lebron in the chats
@@offlineraidedYou’re just making stuff up now.
The objective is to win and Michael Jordan is the most efficient winner of all time end of discussion. Lebron is no where near Jordan
If JJ says expansion teams taint MJ, LBJ should be DQd for playing against the bobcats
That’s Jordan’s team. Of course they were terrible
@@arkadiuszrogala1359Jordan wasn't playing
JJ that’s not a new take. The generation of players b4 MJ were saying the league was watered down at the beginning of MJ’s run.
There was also a narrative that the Bulls would never win with MJ playing the way he did his 1st few years in the league.
He does realize Shaq played in that Era
Watered down, didn't LBJ rule the east for a decade?
How many teams were added that decade?
@@Twomps zero what's your point?
on superteams
LBJ watered down his own competition by teaming up with them.
Jordan still stands on top of em all.
Jeez do we really have to hear the “he’s done it a long time” argument again? Who cares the guy has no life besides basketball? Doesn’t make you the best cause you can’t stop and move on.
JJ sounds dumb af. 6 teams were added yes but the players were already NBA players. guess he dont know how expansion drafts work smh
Jj reddick Doing daddy james bidding..
I refuse to get in the gost debate now let me tell u y Lebron's the goat and jordans not and im gonna ignore the fact u brought up Kobe to shaq
JJ shilling again for Lebum to protect his podcast LMAO
How many really talented players don’t get drafted into the NBA every year because of limited roster spots?
Really dumb insight JJ. MJ's playoff numbers are better than his regular season. And the playoffs were the best of the best back then. No garbage team made the playoffs like today.
....Jordan's first 3 seasons he made it to playoffs while barely getting 30+ wins
@@Amzingred Just making shut up doesn't make it true
@@kevinmclain6741
1st year- 38
2nd year- 30
3rd year- 40
Excuse me. 2 out of the 1st 3 while all 3 seasons he went into the playoffs with a losing record. (Masterbating to his greatness)
@@Amzingred If 38 and 40 are 30+ 🤡. And the league had 24 teams back then. You can check out his playoff numbers those years if you are smart enough to know how.
@@AmzingredLeBron needed play ins to even reach the playoffs
If MJ play no defense like Lechoke, he can play 25 years lol
But Mj didn’t have to playmake or rebound , he had Rodman and Scotty. Bron had to playmake, score, rebound and still played 25 years and he didn’t take two breaks.
@@Bagdrop24bron has lowest offensive rebounds rate. He controlled the ball 1/3 times and collected easy defensive rebounds. U sound don’t understand what defense is except for looking some naive stats. Jordan has a few times leading steals and always 1st defense team. Kuzma had to push bron to defend. 😂😂
@@Bagdrop24bron turned star players to role players by getting them create space for his offense. Rodman will leave in 2 months in bron system. He won’t give as sht to brons agendas.
@@Bagdrop24 do you mean that Lebron has to rebound but only has a career average of 1.2 offensive rebound versus MJ's 1.6 offensive rebound per game?
If MJ "rebound" like these defensive rebound collector he wont be as great as he is.
@@Bagdrop24 Yes Lebron didn't take two breaks, but he also didnt play all 82 games a season.
If MJ load managing like these players he can play 30 years lol
Y’all know LeBron signs JJ checks now his official a MJ hater
You people give Lebron way too much credit.
I'm 52 and I will take KOBE over both! LeBron may be the best but I'M TAKING KIBE OVER BOTH! IJS
JJ neglected to mention the minor details within the timeline. 4 additional teams were added in 1988 and 1989 (Heats, Hornets, Magic, and Timberwolves). 2 more teams in 1995 (Raptors, Grizzlies). Jordan won those 6 rings between 1991 and 1998. A total of 29 teams. We now have 30 today. Raptors or Grizzlies I’d considered more washed teams during that time lol. No, his GOAT seasons were not washed. You can possibly make that argument during his rookie and/or early seasons, but we all know his struggles and speed bumps… Injuries, the Bad Boys, Larry, Magic. I’m just saying.
If anything today's game is water down from the Europeans bringing in flopping to no one playing defense, to all the traveling and carries that never get called. It's a show now not basketball.
Lebron aint play aganist kobe? Cmon now jj
He was talking bout Mj and Lebron. He don’t have Kobe in the goat discussion
Yeah he wasnt talkin about kobe bro lol
Kobe played against both.
JJ Reddick I've heard enough to know that you sir are Team Lebron(that's fine) you don't want to get into the GOAT Debate then you proceed to give a reason to validate why Lebron is the GOAT and then you give a remark, a negative remark towards the competition in which Jordan played which would also have an impact on the GOAT debate.... I don't get it
You never saw what Michael Jordan did in 1986 against one of the greatest complete teams of all time 60 points in the playoffs 69 points against the Cleveland Cavaliers 18 rebounds five blocks JJ Redick I’m sorry me your hater straight freaking hater
Dennis Rodman himself said the league was watered down and EASY when he was on the Bulls. Nuff said ‼️‼️🔥🔥
He also said that Jordan would score more in today's league. If little Jalen Brunson can avg 28 in today's league then MJ should avg atleast 35.
It’s easy when you don’t have to play against MJ lmao he also says MJ would average 50 in todays league.
@@SMARTS_YTBron would average 50 in Jordan’s era
@@SMARTS_YTlol he did play against MJ numb nuts, And won, Twice, In the ECF on the way to winning the championship.
@@ToddPhilips-l1rBe serious
Only in the basketball world has the conversation began to exclude Kobe. But trust me, ask anybody in the world who the GOAT is: it’s Kobe.
Six teams being added is a reflection of Jordan's influence. He's literally the reason for the global popularity of the game. There would be no Kobe or Lebron without Jordan, NOT vice versa. The Goat debate is watered down.
bro the playoffs were nowhere near watered down.... plus in 86' vs the 86' celtics MJ dropped a playoff record 63 pts 😂😂 bro the league was not watered down ... honestly once those guys got JJs scouting report he wouldnt make a team in the 90s i dont think
Jordan is the greatest, but at the same time Lebron probably played against more talent overall, and isn’t far off. As for Kobe I believe he competes against players such as Bird, Shaq and Curry. For me Kareem, Jordan and Lebron are on a higher overall level.
Lebrons scoring in today's game is quite similar to mj's wizard days. You just have to normalize to the average scoring per game in the two eras and you will see it for yourself. Its just the change of rules, allowing for a faster pace and much easier scoring.
Well JJ the league will be watered down considering they plan on adding the Seattle and Las Vegas expansion teams in the future. 32, 32, 32.
Let's face it, the NBA has been soft for years. New rules regarding fouls and players getting injured for the dumbest things. Players are not made the same way anymore.
JJ be thankful NBA added 6-teams. With those expansion teams, more roster spots came with it. Thus, JJ got to the NBA.
This guy JJ has a deal with lebron on doing a podcast together. So he’s essentially on lebron’s payroll. Of course he’s siding with lebron here.
JJ is delusional, as usual. It's MJ, then Kobe then you can have anyone you want. Jokic made LJ look like a crybaby and the dude is not even interested in playing ball. He likes horses 😂
No. Kobe is not top 10. Everyone knew until he died. Now people wanna act like he was. He wasn’t. Top 15 sure. But not top 10
Is JJ dumb? They did play each other. Before Kobe’s Achilles injury he dominated lebron and embarrassed him
Michael jordan
JJ has lost all credibility... I'm convinced his basketball iq is below 70...
If Kobe isn’t in the conversation, lebron doesn’t have a chance. If so, Kareem would have been in the conversation.
Jordan, Kobe, lebron in that order.
Gotta remember = Championships & yearly points averaged
Only reason lebron won after Miami was because of injuries. Lebron could not beat anyone if they were healthy and the second Miami chip they won in spite of lebron not because of him
JJ will be the Lakers next coach after they fire Darwin Ham!!! That’s why he simpin for Lebron
JJ is the worst basketball player ever he sucks LeBron off
He deep throats Lebron..
Also if the era was watered down how come Shaq got 🧹 out the playoffs 5/6 times in that same era. Then the 2000s he does the 🧹 for the most part.
Why did they cut Convo out the league is watered down now with no defense
If adding expansion teams to the league waters it down, then having less teams would make it, dare I say, more competitive. If JJ’s logic holds, it also ruins his point.
Shaq played for the magic pretty sure they are 1 of those teams 😂JJ talking with lebrons nuts in his mouth once again lol
JJ is getting money under the table to hype up Lebron - I can't ant take this guy seriously - he's hyper partisan.
Sounds like a hater 😂
When u debating the best of the best u have to nitpick it shows what separates whatever u talking bout
1) Jordan
2) Kobe
3) Shaq
4) Duncan
5) Lebron aka Cry Baby
JJ you doing nit picking yourself this dude just destroyed his own argument
Respectfully Kobe is not one of the eight elites let alone top 10..I got Kobe #13 all time.
6 teams were added because of Jordan. He grew the game. GOAT
It not about competition. When God created one he created another player in his on unique way
Kobe didn't play good basketball. That's why he's not in there.
You don't think you watered down the NBA...
The More JJ talks the more he shows that he is biased Media esp for his King Kong Lebron
Kobe and LeBron played in the same Era and kobe was better at the time just a fact
Facts!
When did anyone start caring what tf JJ REDICK has to say about things?
About the same time Kendrick Perkins was allowed to breathe on television. Dude is such a dipshit that he made JJ look reasonable.
Lebron didn’t play in a watered down eastern conference? Jj redick is a stat boy. He sucked on defense so that never comes into an equation. I don’t remember Jordan quitting and needing his friends to join together to win a ring.
LMAO they didn't add new players
JJ knows Lebron holds the keys JJs coaching career.
Kobe copied Mike. Well. That eliminates Kobe and Mike from the discussion. One of one, LeBron elevated the whole contest and became worthy of the title King.
I think you can compare eras because their competition played within the same standards, rules, etc…so look at who dominated their era the most.
Now you must define dominated?
Some people only look at points (which favors MJ) until you bring all time (which favors Bron) and then MJ supporters don’t want to hear it.
Some define dominance, and hold each player to the same standard and go from there.
1)points
2)assists
3)rebounds
4)steals
5)blocks
6)wins
7)clutch performances
8)teams played against
9)etc…
The eras, to me, is just and excuse. We can find out who the goat is
averages is more accurate than totals
U just started off talking about you not going get into did you do😢
It’s safe to say we’re at the tail end of a Lebrons career and we’ve seen about 98% of it. Comparing that to Kobe’s. I’d say Kobe is the better player. No meaningless stats to enter convos. Just cold blooded work!
In what way is Kobe better than Lebron?
@@LeGOAT. these are some things that I Like about Kobe that make him better IMO. I like his finals record. I like what he did without Shaq nearly 3 peating a second time had they not lost the finals to Boston. I like that Kobe took the Olympics personal. Or how Kobe hit game winners effortlessly. I feel like Kobe only played half of his finals career with another Super Star of his caliber whereas LeBron seemed to always have another guy that could be franchise player for other teams. Like Kyrie, AD or Wade. I like that Kobe demanded hard work and would guard star players. Kobe’s ability to take over games. I like that Kobe Proved he could win without Shaq. I feel like Kobe’s games were more meaningful rather than just switching uniforms. He actually built culture. If there’s one thing in sports…it’s not what you win…it’s where you win. I like that Kobe never wanted it easy. He never turned the difficulty down. He overcame it and played extra hard. Where as LeBron I feel that he bought the BATTLEPASS edition of the NBA.
@@df6148 Lebron literally does everything better than Kobe including scoring. Lebron averages more points, has a higher FG percentage, a higher 3pt percentage, more assists, more rebounds, more steals, more blocks, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more all star appearances, and more all-nba teams. There is ZERO argument for Kobe over Lebron.
@@LeGOAT. No he doesn’t. Maybe in Volume sure. Avgs sure we know how Avgs work. You take the totality of the career and divide it into years played. Sure I get it. But there’s something to be said about QUALITY. Just look at Kobe. 5 time champ. Lebron is what 4-6? Look at consistency. 3 PEAT. Lebron has never had a 3 peat. Look at the quality of scoring. 2 Time Scoring leader for Kobe. Lebron’s done it once? Lebron is great when you take into account volume. But what would you rather have? The best Pizza you ever ate or a bunch of Little Caesar’s Pizza? Lebron has a lot of stats but he’s always had a franchise player at his hip for the majority of it. A *HAND PICKED* relocated teams type of player might I add. There’s EVERY argument for Kobe. Lebron does a lot of losing if we’re being honest. How are you the GOAT if you lost *SIX TIMES* in the Finals? Where were all those amazing stats then? When it mattered? Why weren’t those stats good enough to win the series??? Because there’s a difference between stats and basketball moments. Kobe understands when to execute a basketball moment. How many teams have war stories of beating Lebron out the Finals? TOO MANY.
Kobe had shaq for 3 and arguably the best front court in the league for the other 2. Only boston and dwight howard were comparable at the time.
I'm sorry but Kobe is not even top 5, rest in peace to Bean thou.
Lebron played in the watered down east most of his career
Okay, So with JJs logic, the league is completely watered down now lol
He’s a clown and a Lebron d rider … he lost all credibility when he came at bob cousy
That makes him the goat, 90 extra player boi stop
Kobe went 6 for 24 in a game 7. Im good thx Shaq
Jj says some ridiculous things trying to find a way to give LeBron more credit .What does adding teams got to do with anything 😂
As a Laker fan, i really dont care if Lebron leaves LA. And im not gonna mad at all if that happens
This LeBron propaganda need to stop for real.
Kobe is not in the Goat 🐐 conversation
Jordan averaged 35 when they typical score of a game was 88-85, Lebron averages 26 when the avg score of a game is 110-105
that is false the year mj averaged 35 in 1988 three teams in the nba average at least 115 points a game and the least a team averaged was 100
Its almost like they had different roles on their teams
You forgot lebron got drafted in 03
Mike took all the shots regardless of era.
Youre comparing a pure 2 to a point forward.
@@Twompsfacts
still waiting on the interesting question.
Jordan doesn’t compare eras it’s lebron that does
Kobe only got 1 mvp and 1 finals mvp...
I agree with Shaq and I actually believe that Kobe Bryant was a much better player than LeBron James and have said that before JJ’s comments there is some validity to it but anybody with eyes can see that Jordan was the best and when people try to justify why he’s not they just sound foolish
Lebron literally does everything better than Kobe including scoring. Lebron averages more points, has a higher FG percentage, a higher 3pt percentage, more assists, more rebounds, more steals, more blocks, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more all star appearances, and more all-nba teams. There is ZERO argument for Kobe over Lebron.
As much as I hate lebron this is the worst take I’ve read in a while. Kobe’s a top 3 scorer of all time that’s it.
Watered down or spiced up?
JJ you said it
The expansion era take is contradicting.
Love Kobe, his game and his mentality, but he ain't in the debate or shouldn't be. MJ and Bron are locked for 1 and 2 (order doesnt matter) and Kareem should be a locked 3.
If you really aren't biased you would admit that he ain't even Top 5.
People really let Kobes tragic death corrupt their mind. Having Kobe above Lebron at this point is just blasphemous and has nothing to do with opinions anymore, thats just wrong.
Bird is the goat, and Jokic will probably end up as the goat when it’s all said and done
Yea Shaq just being biased and I get it. But Kobe is not in the goat conversation. He can be your favorite player I’m not mad at that but he’s prolly the 6th or 7th best player all time.
Teams were added because of the massive amount of revenue MJ bought in…that one can be looked at as good or bad
Kobe and MJs mentality when it came to basketball was unparalleled.
They were players during both of their eras who had the same if not more natural talent than them, however , their obession with competing and winning was second to none.
Kobe was a 44 percent career shooting guard and shot sub 40 percent in some finals series. So no, his name does not belong near the top of all time.
Lebron just sucks as a person. Sure hese good, but he has no humility, no integrity, and he’s just not likable.
So during Bill Russell's time there were only 8 teams and it's being used against him, playing only the same teams over and over, and now MJ has more teams added when he played and it's watered down? C'mon.
The only reason the GOAT debate exists is because there is a generation of basketball fans that either saw Player/Owner Wizards Jordan, or didn't see Jordan at all. For them, it's only ever been LeBron vs. Kobe and they feel like LBJ won that a long time ago. The whole GOAT debate is really just LeBron fans trying to convince people that saw Jordan that they didn't see what they saw and what they saw from LeBron isn't what they thought they saw.
There's probably more players in the league now than in "jordans" heyday. Is not the league watered down now? Gtfoh with that jj