Jessica was so bright, engaging, and insightful! Love to take a class from her. Fun to see Bishop Barron and Jessica get so excited and animated over such challenging authors. Time for me to discover the writings of Flannery O’Connor.
Wow. This just changed my life. I "accidentally" came to this, and and am thankful for this irreplaceable, amazing interview and dialog. Thanks so much to all 3 of you! Jessica, you are an exceptionally gifted woman. God keep blessing you greatly!
Wow! (again!) Amazing discussion!! Ms. Hooten-Wilson is extraordinarily concise, charming and captivating. As a former English teacher and current substitute I was just blown away by her comments and insights. She said everything I've felt and wanted to say for my entire life. GREAT JOB MS. HOOTEN-WILSON, BISHOP BARRON and the moderator (sorry! it's morning after staying up late to watch). Currently writing my own novel, learning the Russian language and reading Tolstoy, Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn. Thank you so much!!!!Большое вам спасибо, ребята!!! Thank you guys so much!
Wow, this woman is sharp. I’ve been continually winding back at different points to re-hear what His Excellency and his guest are saying. The whole topic of grace, love, and the interpretations of (and by) Flannery O’Conner and Dostoevsky (the latter of which, The Bros. Karamazov, I really need to read) is really captivating.
So grateful for this conversation as I am thankful for my undergraduate studies in forming me as a person. I have been sharing the importance of the humanities in education for years. I hope we will listen and learn from our experience. Keep up these wonderful videos, Bishop Barron. God bless! Sr. Brigid Cannon, OP
I've just finished listening to the three recent"Bishop Barron Presents...." My goodness the discussions are wonderful, intellectually stimulating, and heart softening. They are a much needed respite from the polemic/apologetic discussions I've been listening to lately. Personally, I greatly appreciate the distilling of the classics into something that I can understand.
Thanks to Jessica Hooten Wilson for bringing this literary perspective to life, virtue and theology. I appreciate that Bishop Barron further connected the bible and literature. Bishop Barron has encouraged women to participate in his forums which is so important to confirm that we are part of the church!
We are all human, linked by the fact we are created by God for God. This conversation should have been filmed in the Capital building in Washington DC in front of all Congress. Our politicians have become brutish and many of their constituents have forgotten most if not all of the points discussed.
Fascinating conversation between these two. Illumination comes to those who hear them, they come in the name of Jesus to proclaim him. Thank you Bishop Barron and Word on Fire, for these enlighten videos.
As a practicing Catholic and theoretical physicist trained in advanced mathematics, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and fully agree with the speakers' points. As Louis Pasteur once said, "un peu de science éloigne de Dieu, mais beaucoup y ramène" (a bit of science takes you away from God, but a lot of it brings you back). At the highest levels, science and mathematics is not primarily utilitarian (as Dr. Hooten Wilson insightfully pointed out) but rather about uncovering the mysteries of God's creation. Though requiring much training to appreciate, the intricate beauty found in physical phenomena and mathematical structures is truly artistic -- for God is the ultimate Artist.
This is brilliant. What an impressive trio of scholars. As a trained scientist I have always fought the notion that science and the arts were somehow contradictory.
I love this conversation between these brilliant people of God. The cannon as a garden that keeps on growing is a great metaphor. Yes, we need to be open and patient. Thank you!
A bit unswayed by the program, or the 10 minutes of it that I watched. For example, I still view the humanities as subjective. Whatever truths they contain are only truths in the sense of a snapshot of the people involved. Such truths naturally cannot be divorced from its subject, the human. In this way, those truths still boil down to the personal opinions and feelings of everyone involved. These truths may have lots to say about human trends or tendencies, but their conclusions can be fickle and subject to change.
This was a wonderful conversation as I was in science for 29 years and was always struggling with the felling something was missing and then went back to NIU and received a degree in General Studies a real liberal arts degree. In my 50's it really change my outlook on my faith and life.
Thanks and God bless you Jared, Jessica, and Bishop Barron! On the topic of suffering (+- minute 20) here's a question: could suffering serve as proof of God's existence (and not the other way around)? Here's what I mean: if we think of someone suffering (take your pick) and consider that the person is alive despite their suffering, to what or whom could we attribute the fact that the person is alive? Thanks everyone and God bless!
Stump’s answer works for me - suffering opens us to sharing. She says when you fly on a plane you often don’t want to talk to person next to you but if the engine explodes then you want to speak with great candor to the person seated next to you.
I needed this conversation today....I have been critical of myself for being somewhat unenthused about certain Catholic teachings, and yet at the same time, literature sets my soul on fire. And so here in this conversation, I see how literature can actually grow my faith, in a way that suits my unique being. I'm so grateful for Word on Fire...Bless you all!
@@harriettannediger8772 I am going to take your response as being encouragement, in that God is directing my path to Him, and I don't have to do it. Even when I run up against obstacles, He finds another way for me.
Really excellent discussion. It helped me articulate the unease I have with the idea of "safety" above all else, which has been with us since the idea of the helicopter parent, and was given a boost during the pandemic. It's that sense of being above the suffering and wanting to "solve" it by any means necessary, which of course leads, as O'Connor says, to the death camps. Humans disconnected from God will do anything and everything to pretend to be God in order to create a heaven on earth. It's the doom of utopian thinking. We'll find scapegoats to blame (when we already have the ultimate and final scapegoat in Jesus) and unleash evil upon them all in the name of good. At any rate, thanks for this discussion!
I just have to exclaim this conversation is pure gold. The light it shones upone my soul heart and mind is so overwhelming i felt ive should get on my knees to such inmense truths coming from your conversation. Thank you so much to you and all the people involved and working in this project, for being a beacon of light in the world. Greetings from Notherrn Mexico.
To me, as a former Catholic high school English teacher, the value of the humanities is unquestionable. I was disappointed, however, in the early part of the conversation that there was no mention of the increasing difficulty, indeed impossibility for some young people, to pursue the humanities in college. Catholic institutions should take the lead in making programs economically accessible. If I were going to college today, I would not take on crippling loans to study philosophy or literature, and as a parent I would consider it my sad responsibility to dissuade my child from doing so. College should not be about beautiful grounds and "how's the food?" It definitely shouldn't be about bloated administrative structures. College should be rooted in energetic, exciting teaching. The rest is a show.
Jessica, your description (time~43 min) of an author such as Flannery O'Connor taking the reader down to hell and then to purgatory and then ultimately to Heaven, likens to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius
I like the topic of this discussion. Math without wisdom is only going to ever be a bunch of token only a symbolic representation of reality. Wisdom without math while counting your blessings daily is devoid of reason and bound to fail
In what capacity of religion will I continue to serve God? What saint will I imitate? God knows the length of time I have left on this earth. May my focus stay on God for guidance and strength. I pray, ABBA-Father “may your will be done”. AMEN Thank you
If you are motivated to dive into Dostoevsky and/or O'Connor, Dr. Wilson has resources on her TH-cam channel to guide you. During lockdown, Jessica recorded introductions for her students to each section of the Brothers Karamazov. I am starting Brothers K and those intros are a huge help. She has also provided overviews of significant O'Connor works. Not only that, she has posted her public addresses and video essays on several of the subjects discussed here. Her channel is called, well, Jessica Hooten Wilson!
Hispano parlantes pueden beneficiarse por esta profundo y erudito debate sobre la difícil y costosa naturaleza del verdadero amor ilustrada en ejemplos literarios maravillosos.Podrian incluir una versión en castellano para ser compartida con ellos,por favor?
A thought to consider how we communicate. When we "speak to" someone, we are telling the persons. When we "speak with" other persons' we exchange information and learn from each other. Even when reading we are receiving the information and thoughts of another person whatever their background The Canon is seen as a book of rules not as a living tool because it is not always a tool for the world as we live today. Our methods of communication have changed as humans have grown and we need to change our rules and tools to meet the needs of today. We need to communicate to be able to Love our neighbors.
A good discussion. But it seem really limited. If you discuss Dostoyefsky, why ignore Tolstoy? He authored a wealth of short stories that delved into religious issues. Likewise, there's a lot of authors in the 20th century besides O'Connor. What about Hemingway? He's was bred Catholic...
Amazing stuff! This conversation is out of this world. Our world today needs to hear this. Thanks a zillion, @WordOnFire @BishopBarron @JessicaHootenWilson
It’s a conversation. But why is it so hard today? Why do we even need to discuss this? I have a degree in engineering. Minor social science and math. The humanities were engrained in me via Catholic school K-12. Why do people need to be told this today?
Part of the issue is that the humanities are, in certain fields, absolutely insane these days. Proper philosophical thought is wonderful - polemic things like gender studies and other like courses necessarily subtract from the legitimacy of humanities as a whole.
So if Flannery O’Connor said in the 1950s it is the advertising agencies that “Speak for America” is it now today Both advertising as well as our own persona created through outlets like social media that further spread this propaganda that we attempt to create individual autonomy?
O'Connor is a writer of short stories, mainly, and they have been published in different antologies. But you can find her complete works, which have all her short stories. She also wrote two novels: Wiseblood and The violent bear it away, which are absolutely brilliant. But I would recommend starting with her short stories. My favourites are Parker's back, Revelation and The Enduring chill - which, unlike many O'connor stories, do not involve a murder :) :)
I listened only 20 minutes yet, but i have in my eyes a very CRUCIAL remark, i never get it when popes and scolars don't get the meaning of suffering, especially concerning children. Now, both philosophically and theologically it's THE most impacting thing existing. We live in a FALLEN nature. So the perfect love of God is WILLING to repare, and because He is the Father of all of his children and a suffering God, we need to participate in His suffering to be able to contemplate Him and look like Him, the only first reason for creation. But who could suffer more purely than children... and He never leaves them out of His sight... If you don't fully comprehend this, you mis out THE ARGUMENT. Now, arguments may not be very effectif at first sight, but they work the conscience, even if rejected... So i think the Church should change it's approach, but it will do so only if people get Her to do it. So if you love it or not, your conscience has been informed, and you will have the honnor of presenting your work to God, and to all if you chose so, because no one will ever listen to the nobody i am. Please don't send it of, for it's you who will pay in purgatory. You scolars, you have the mission of this kind of things!
Love the unlovable and forgive the unforgivable, Mother Teresa, I think. My father was confirmed by Reinhold Niebuhr who served as pastor of Bethel Evangelical Church in Detroit from 1915 to 1928. After Dad was confirmed, he never again went to church because of too many questions his pastor raised..
@@oscarprogresso Interesting that you should ask. Although my dad promised to talk with me about religion someday, that day never came. He was unhappy when I chose Catholicism, but that did not drive us apart. I believe it was the problem of suffering that Rev. Niebuhr did not address to Dad's satisfaction that turned Dad away from religion,, He often complained that suffering was just not fair, but he was unwilling to have a discussion. I pray every day for his soul; he was a good man.
Bishop, how can we categorize faith particularly Christian faith? If we categorize it along the scientific realm, then there would be that conundrum with having to identify God as a being among other being that can be verified hence limited in space and time. On the other hand, if we relegate faith in the humanities, then faith becomes mere myth and subjective along the great mythological traditions of Iliad and Homer.
Christian (Catholic) Faith is not Science: it's a step further to science. Christian (Catholic) Faith is not Humanity: it's a step further to humanity. Faith is not against reason: it's step further to reason. So, Faith is not against Science, or against Humanities or against Reason. Faith is a reality beyond us. That's why we need God's revelation. And we believe what God said because God is Truth Itself. Thank you. (By the way, I don't know if you are interested in my videos on Don Bosco. I’m publishing a weekly TH-cam video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him.)
There is no official canon to link to, but there is a general consensus of great books. Harold Bloom wrote a book about the Western Canon that you might want to look into. His canon focused on particular authors rather than particular works, although his publisher asked him to include a list of works (which he did, although he later repudiated it)
PS: Even Christ understood that much of human character is down to luck - genetic inheritance, early experience etc. (viz. his parable about where the seed falls) - even as, in frustration, he often railed against it. PPS: Yes, Jessica, the Nero-Glib BS (sorry, "Revolution!", a word that still had some dignity and meaning so they had to co-opt it) is the creation of the advertising industry - a giant vacuum sustained by hypnotic repetition that has sucked in most of the world's population, an Invisible Empire that few can see for what it is, a ghost story in which it's the remaining Humans that are spooky. 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
Peace be with you, In the day of judgement, the Christian and Muslim will standup for trial. This is a snapshot of the trial. And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. It is You who has absolute knowledge of the unseen. (The Quran 05:116) Christian friend's core belief is that Jesus is God yet they dont have one verse where Jesus says I am God worship me. God had all the time to write stories after stories but didnt have the time to say I am God worship me.
I really loved this discussion. Jessica Hooten Wilson is impressive.
Jessica was so bright, engaging, and insightful! Love to take a class from her. Fun to see Bishop Barron and Jessica get so excited and animated over such challenging authors. Time for me to discover the writings of Flannery O’Connor.
Wow. This just changed my life.
I "accidentally" came to this, and and am thankful for this irreplaceable, amazing interview and dialog. Thanks so much to all 3 of you!
Jessica, you are an exceptionally gifted woman. God keep blessing you greatly!
Wow! (again!) Amazing discussion!! Ms. Hooten-Wilson is extraordinarily concise, charming and captivating. As a former English teacher and current substitute I was just blown away by her comments and insights. She said everything I've felt and wanted to say for my entire life. GREAT JOB MS. HOOTEN-WILSON, BISHOP BARRON and the moderator (sorry! it's morning after staying up late to watch). Currently writing my own novel, learning the Russian language and reading Tolstoy, Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn. Thank you so much!!!!Большое вам спасибо, ребята!!! Thank you guys so much!
Thank you so very much for sharing these lectures with us. What a blessing!
This is amazing and heartening! Such an eloquent defense of the power of the humanities.
Wow, this woman is sharp. I’ve been continually winding back at different points to re-hear what His Excellency and his guest are saying. The whole topic of grace, love, and the interpretations of (and by) Flannery O’Conner and Dostoevsky (the latter of which, The Bros. Karamazov, I really need to read) is really captivating.
Ghost in the machine, I always learn something new listening to BB. Jesica is wonderful, right there with BB
So grateful for this conversation as I am thankful for my undergraduate studies in forming me as a person. I have been sharing the importance of the humanities in education for years. I hope we will listen and learn from our experience.
Keep up these wonderful videos, Bishop Barron. God bless! Sr. Brigid Cannon, OP
I've just finished listening to the three recent"Bishop Barron Presents...."
My goodness the discussions are wonderful, intellectually stimulating, and heart softening. They are a much needed respite from the polemic/apologetic discussions I've been listening to lately.
Personally, I greatly appreciate the distilling of the classics into something that I can understand.
Thanks to Jessica Hooten Wilson for bringing this literary perspective to life, virtue and theology. I appreciate that Bishop Barron further connected the bible and literature. Bishop Barron has encouraged women to participate in his forums which is so important to confirm that we are part of the church!
We are all human, linked by the fact we are created by God for God. This conversation should have been filmed in the Capital building in Washington DC in front of all Congress. Our politicians have become brutish and many of their constituents have forgotten most if not all of the points discussed.
Excellent points made by both. This is an important conversation for today.
Fascinating conversation between these two. Illumination comes to those who hear them, they come in the name of Jesus to proclaim him. Thank you Bishop Barron and Word on Fire, for these enlighten videos.
As a practicing Catholic and theoretical physicist trained in advanced mathematics, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and fully agree with the speakers' points. As Louis Pasteur once said, "un peu de science éloigne de Dieu, mais beaucoup y ramène" (a bit of science takes you away from God, but a lot of it brings you back). At the highest levels, science and mathematics is not primarily utilitarian (as Dr. Hooten Wilson insightfully pointed out) but rather about uncovering the mysteries of God's creation. Though requiring much training to appreciate, the intricate beauty found in physical phenomena and mathematical structures is truly artistic -- for God is the ultimate Artist.
I love the in depth adult level conversation on the approach to living life. Spiritual health is highly neglected today.
This is brilliant. What an impressive trio of scholars. As a trained scientist I have always fought the notion that science and the arts
were somehow contradictory.
This is a beautiful and important conversation. It is worth listening to more than once. Thank you.
I love this conversation between these brilliant people of God. The cannon as a garden that keeps on growing is a great metaphor. Yes, we need to be open and patient. Thank you!
A bit unswayed by the program, or the 10 minutes of it that I watched. For example, I still view the humanities as subjective. Whatever truths they contain are only truths in the sense of a snapshot of the people involved. Such truths naturally cannot be divorced from its subject, the human. In this way, those truths still boil down to the personal opinions and feelings of everyone involved. These truths may have lots to say about human trends or tendencies, but their conclusions can be fickle and subject to change.
Lovely, fascinating dialogue on the narrative arts and human formation. Thank you, Word on Fire!!
This was a wonderful conversation as I was in science for 29 years and was always struggling with the felling something was missing and then went back to NIU and received a degree in General Studies a real liberal arts degree. In my 50's it really change my outlook on my faith and life.
Excellent talk on the relevance, significance - dare I say, the necessity - of a good humanities education
Thanks and God bless you Jared, Jessica, and Bishop Barron! On the topic of suffering (+- minute 20) here's a question: could suffering serve as proof of God's existence (and not the other way around)? Here's what I mean: if we think of someone suffering (take your pick) and consider that the person is alive despite their suffering, to what or whom could we attribute the fact that the person is alive? Thanks everyone and God bless!
Wonderful and empowering to hear from you bishop barron... Godbless everyone word on fire. - from philippines
I would like to listen to O'Connor"s story how can I listen to it
David, look on TH-cam. Flannery O'Connor reads 'A Good Man is Hard to find'. 1959.
Brilliant and edifying. So much to mine . . . and rewind/re-listen and reflect on. Thank you!
What a gift to find this in this morning's email and be invited into this thoughtful conversation…
I loved this talking.. it’s really spiritual building 🔥🧡🔥
Both are good and right AND Bishop Barron deepens everything for me.
Being someone 50+, it is amazing that (1) stuff like this is so readily available, and (2) it's free. Crazy...
My goodness, what minds, I can take in about a third of this, what a joy it is to grow in wisdom, God Bless you all.
Stump’s answer works for me - suffering opens us to sharing. She says when you fly on a plane you often don’t want to talk to person next to you but if the engine explodes then you want to speak with great candor to the person seated next to you.
Wow so healthy this conversation...
An extraordinary trio! VIVA! 🌈🦉
I see order, harmony, good timing and advantage to borrow from St. Irenaeus, AMAZING discussion!
I needed this conversation today....I have been critical of myself for being somewhat unenthused about certain Catholic teachings, and yet at the same time, literature sets my soul on fire. And so here in this conversation, I see how literature can actually grow my faith, in a way that suits my unique being. I'm so grateful for Word on Fire...Bless you all!
So this means your not doing anything!
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How do you arrive at that? Just curious ...
@@harriettannediger8772 I am going to take your response as being encouragement, in that God is directing my path to Him, and I don't have to do it. Even when I run up against obstacles, He finds another way for me.
@@marypinakat8594 Yes, I'm curious about Harriett's response, too!
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Your Comment is valuable in many ways. Keep up the good work☆ Stay blessed☆
Really excellent discussion. It helped me articulate the unease I have with the idea of "safety" above all else, which has been with us since the idea of the helicopter parent, and was given a boost during the pandemic. It's that sense of being above the suffering and wanting to "solve" it by any means necessary, which of course leads, as O'Connor says, to the death camps. Humans disconnected from God will do anything and everything to pretend to be God in order to create a heaven on earth. It's the doom of utopian thinking. We'll find scapegoats to blame (when we already have the ultimate and final scapegoat in Jesus) and unleash evil upon them all in the name of good.
At any rate, thanks for this discussion!
Beautiful minds in conversation.
*"That life is a success which has lived well, laughed often and loved much."*
- Robert Louis Stevenson
A good start but ambiguous. To make life a real success one needs Jesus.
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It's in the past participle. So ..
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Thanks though. Do appreciate your valuable Presence☆
So relevant and timely - fantastic conversation; beautiful insights and actions to move toward! 🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻
Love these conversations. Always learn something. Thank-you!
Whata wonderful, edifying conversation. Please, more Girard!
Enjoyed this discussion! Thanks for sharing!
Wow this conversation is so enlightening. You guys hit on so many great points. Do deep and fruitful. God bless you guys
I just have to exclaim this conversation is pure gold. The light it shones upone my soul heart and mind is so overwhelming i felt ive should get on my knees to such inmense truths coming from your conversation. Thank you so much to you and all the people involved and working in this project, for being a beacon of light in the world. Greetings from Notherrn Mexico.
Wonderful! Soul gifting.
Wow! I am speechless. Thank you!
This was wonderful! Thank you so much.
Bishop Robert is awesome
To me, as a former Catholic high school English teacher, the value of the humanities is unquestionable. I was disappointed, however, in the early part of the conversation that there was no mention of the increasing difficulty, indeed impossibility for some young people, to pursue the humanities in college. Catholic institutions should take the lead in making programs economically accessible. If I were going to college today, I would not take on crippling loans to study philosophy or literature, and as a parent I would consider it my sad responsibility to dissuade my child from doing so. College should not be about beautiful grounds and "how's the food?" It definitely shouldn't be about bloated administrative structures. College should be rooted in energetic, exciting teaching. The rest is a show.
Wonderful discussion indeed!
The Great Conversation.
The 😍L❤ord shall fight for you,and ye shall hold your 🌎🌏🌍peace.-Exodus 14:14.Amen🙏👋!
Jessica, your description (time~43 min) of an author such as Flannery O'Connor taking the reader down to hell and then to purgatory and then ultimately to Heaven, likens to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius
I like the topic of this discussion. Math without wisdom is only going to ever be a bunch of token only a symbolic representation of reality. Wisdom without math while counting your blessings daily is devoid of reason and bound to fail
Really enjoyed this discussion, thank you.
In what capacity of religion will I continue to serve God? What saint will I imitate? God knows the length of time I have left on this earth. May my focus stay on God for guidance and strength. I pray, ABBA-Father “may your will be done”. AMEN Thank you
Thanks Bishop
Wow. Love this video. Learned soooooo much. What Saint do you want to mirror your life after? Where will you pick up and carry your CROSS?
Really fabulous
I am in love.
If you are motivated to dive into Dostoevsky and/or O'Connor, Dr. Wilson has resources on her TH-cam channel to guide you. During lockdown, Jessica recorded introductions for her students to each section of the Brothers Karamazov. I am starting Brothers K and those intros are a huge help. She has also provided overviews of significant O'Connor works. Not only that, she has posted her public addresses and video essays on several of the subjects discussed here. Her channel is called, well, Jessica Hooten Wilson!
Wow, this was totally great!
This was amazing
Jared I think you played your part very well also.
PRAISE THE LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST AMEN
This is absolutely fantastic. Is there any possibility that the Word on Fire Institute is going to have seminars or classes on the classic novels?
That would be fantastic!
Hispano parlantes pueden beneficiarse por esta profundo y erudito debate sobre la difícil y costosa naturaleza del verdadero amor ilustrada en ejemplos literarios maravillosos.Podrian incluir una versión en castellano para ser compartida con ellos,por favor?
You need to talk to Chris Hedges about this subject. He is one of the biggest intellectual supporters of the humanities. Also, Cornell West.
Wow! That was very beautiful! :D
A thought to consider how we communicate. When we "speak to" someone, we are telling the persons. When we "speak with" other persons' we exchange information and learn from each other. Even when reading we are receiving the information and thoughts of another person whatever their background The Canon is seen as a book of rules not as a living tool because it is not always a tool for the world as we live today. Our methods of communication have changed as humans have grown and we need to change our rules and tools to meet the needs of today. We need to communicate to be able to Love our neighbors.
Winner
Brilliant
Waiting
@pintswithaquinas @mattfradd I've been saying to have Jessica on your show. She's good enough for ++Barron.... So.... What's the hold up?
Prayers please for all crazy Madness gets out of people the worst is helo the hurter people
A good discussion. But it seem really limited. If you discuss Dostoyefsky, why ignore Tolstoy? He authored a wealth of short stories that delved into religious issues. Likewise, there's a lot of authors in the 20th century besides O'Connor. What about Hemingway? He's was bred Catholic...
They were focusing on JHW's field of expertise.
Limited time + broader scope = less depth... c'est la vie.
If I wanted to start reading Flannery O'Connor, which book would you recommend? Thank you.
read "Revelation" first.
Professor Wilson is extremely inteligent. Is she well read or what.
Amazing stuff! This conversation is out of this world. Our world today needs to hear this.
Thanks a zillion, @WordOnFire @BishopBarron @JessicaHootenWilson
It’s a conversation. But why is it so hard today? Why do we even need to discuss this? I have a degree in engineering. Minor social science and math. The humanities were engrained in me via Catholic school K-12. Why do people need to be told this today?
??? I 👍
Part of the issue is that the humanities are, in certain fields, absolutely insane these days. Proper philosophical thought is wonderful - polemic things like gender studies and other like courses necessarily subtract from the legitimacy of humanities as a whole.
1. Digging the Assassin's Creed earrings.
2. Camera guy on the right is jacked. Bishop's bodyguard? lol
So if Flannery O’Connor said in the 1950s it is the advertising agencies that “Speak for America” is it now today Both advertising as well as our own persona created through outlets like social media that further spread this propaganda that we attempt to create individual autonomy?
That media side of ourselves is an advertisement in a sense, so I’d say yea, it does speak
Which books from O'connor were they referencing? Sounds like they would be an excellent read.
A Good Man is Hard to Find
O'Connor is a writer of short stories, mainly, and they have been published in different antologies. But you can find her complete works, which have all her short stories. She also wrote two novels: Wiseblood and The violent bear it away, which are absolutely brilliant. But I would recommend starting with her short stories. My favourites are Parker's back, Revelation and The Enduring chill - which, unlike many O'connor stories, do not involve a murder :) :)
I listened only 20 minutes yet, but i have in my eyes a very CRUCIAL remark, i never get it when popes and scolars don't get the meaning of suffering, especially concerning children. Now, both philosophically and theologically it's THE most impacting thing existing. We live in a FALLEN nature. So the perfect love of God is WILLING to repare, and because He is the Father of all of his children and a suffering God, we need to participate in His suffering to be able to contemplate Him and look like Him, the only first reason for creation. But who could suffer more purely than children... and He never leaves them out of His sight... If you don't fully comprehend this, you mis out THE ARGUMENT. Now, arguments may not be very effectif at first sight, but they work the conscience, even if rejected... So i think the Church should change it's approach, but it will do so only if people get Her to do it. So if you love it or not, your conscience has been informed, and you will have the honnor of presenting your work to God, and to all if you chose so, because no one will ever listen to the nobody i am. Please don't send it of, for it's you who will pay in purgatory. You scolars, you have the mission of this kind of things!
Love the unlovable and forgive the unforgivable, Mother Teresa, I think. My father was confirmed by Reinhold Niebuhr who served as pastor of Bethel Evangelical Church in Detroit from 1915 to 1928. After Dad was confirmed, he never again went to church because of too many questions his pastor raised..
What kind of questions did Niebuhr raise that would stymie church attendance?
@@oscarprogresso Interesting that you should ask. Although my dad promised to talk with me about religion someday, that day never came. He was unhappy when I chose Catholicism, but that did not drive us apart. I believe it was the problem of suffering that Rev. Niebuhr did not address to Dad's satisfaction that turned Dad away from religion,, He often complained that suffering was just not fair, but he was unwilling to have a discussion. I pray every day for his soul; he was a good man.
@@phylliscory2105
I’m sure your dad is with God. Concerns and questions and sadness over evil and suffering are understandable.
Bishop, how can we categorize faith particularly Christian faith? If we categorize it along the scientific realm, then there would be that conundrum with having to identify God as a being among other being that can be verified hence limited in space and time. On the other hand, if we relegate faith in the humanities, then faith becomes mere myth and subjective along the great mythological traditions of Iliad and Homer.
Christian (Catholic) Faith is not Science: it's a step further to science. Christian (Catholic) Faith is not Humanity: it's a step further to humanity. Faith is not against reason: it's step further to reason. So, Faith is not against Science, or against Humanities or against Reason. Faith is a reality beyond us. That's why we need God's revelation. And we believe what God said because God is Truth Itself. Thank you. (By the way, I don't know if you are interested in my videos on Don Bosco. I’m publishing a weekly TH-cam video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him.)
.... KNOW THAT FAITH HAS EYES...... OPEN OUR HEARTS.... THANK YOU JESUS.... YOUR “GRACE IS SUFFICIENT.....”
This talk makes me feel like a dummy.
Jajajaja.que? Humility???
Any link to the Canon they are referring to?
There is no official canon to link to, but there is a general consensus of great books. Harold Bloom wrote a book about the Western Canon that you might want to look into. His canon focused on particular authors rather than particular works, although his publisher asked him to include a list of works (which he did, although he later repudiated it)
@@andrewheath1393 thank you
PS: Even Christ understood that much of human character is down to luck - genetic inheritance, early experience etc. (viz. his parable about where the seed falls) - even as, in frustration, he often railed against it.
PPS: Yes, Jessica, the Nero-Glib BS (sorry, "Revolution!", a word that still had some dignity and meaning so they had to co-opt it) is the creation of the advertising industry - a giant vacuum sustained by hypnotic repetition that has sucked in most of the world's population, an Invisible Empire that few can see for what it is, a ghost story in which it's the remaining Humans that are spooky.
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Peace be with you,
In the day of judgement, the Christian and Muslim will standup for trial. This is a snapshot of the trial.
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. It is You who has absolute knowledge of the unseen.
(The Quran 05:116)
Christian friend's core belief is that Jesus is God yet they dont have one verse where Jesus says I am God worship me. God had all the time to write stories after stories but didnt have the time to say I am God worship me.
Respect people's believes. ✌
@@lilianawebb8687
You have a moral obligation to rescue me from eternal punishment, and I have the same moral obligation.
what bullshit-the Canon- the Law of God is flexible.
WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE
This was wonderful! Thank you so much!