Thank God for these videos, I'm 82 and have a couple of adopted kids that have been out of catholic school for over three months now with out any idea when it might open (and I still pay tuition). Church has been closed so no mass, confession, nothing. I watch TV mass that's it. I am in St. Theresa's of the child Jesus parish. Prayers for us here appreciated.
Nietzsche wrote: “The strength of a person’s spirit would then be measured by how much “ truth” he could tolerate, or more precisely, to what extent he needs to have it diluted, disguised, sweetened, muted, falsified”. This seems particularly relevant in our divided America. We seem to seek out only those opinions and facts that support our own self created world view. We enter echo chambers that reinforce our views rather than seeking out challenges to our perceptions in search of truth. This was a great discussion that helps us to think about the competing ideas that shape our societies and cultures. Great discussion with references to great thinkers that I’ll research further. Many thanks to all involved with brining this program to us.
Very interesting discussion. As a scientist, I notice as scientists increasing shut down their sense of the supernatural, that they are increasingly becoming more technologists than scientists, losing their sense of wonder at creation. In molecular biology, this has led to a reliance on the past understanding of old genes rather than looking for new mechanisms and functions. I recently had a senior scientist at Rockefeller University tell me not to undertake a new area of research because, "everything had been done in the 1980s, so there was nothing new." if this were just the musings of someone who needs retirement, it would be one thing, but time and time again, the new idea is treated with suspicion and mistrust if it doesn't fit with the old thinking or accompanied by a new technology.
Very true. That's why, it's very important for us, HUMANS, to stay grounded and be open to precautionary advise of not letting that " superior thinking" be written all over the forehead to those who carry that particular title.All we have to remember is what God said and did....... "they all have that ONE language and this is what they begin to do. NOW, nothing that they PROPOSE to do will be withheld from them" Indeed, we are now living and witnessing the latter part of that sentence uttered by God.What we need to remember is....IF he can caused confusion' of language during the ancient time , he can do another way of showing to us........" hey, you're not all that knowledgeable. I'm still here, your God. You still need to TRUST me instead of trusting and relying your own knowledge.
I love these discussions! Intelligent, informative, refreshing. My reading list is getting even longer! Our country and Church needs this kind of exploration of ideas to unveil the fullness of Truth.
Jennifer Ratner Rosenhagen crackles with intellectual insight & passion, has so much to say that her hands continually supplement her mouth to speak. She & Bishop Barron serve us a feast for the mind!
I completely agree with you:) I love them both. Her hand gestures really makes her fascinating to watch .It makes her so alive and not boring to listen to.She's also very down-to-earth the way she relates varieties of subjects.
Very, very interesting video. I appreciate the way this discussion is held in that it doesn't make me feel inadequate in understanding what is being shared. This is the reason I love Word on Fire - they never talk above me - and this helps me in so many ways when I evangelize others. Thank you Word on Fire!
Humbled by the depth of this conversation - thank you for making these topics accessible. Dr. Ratgen-Rosenhauer is such a bright light. Her final comments remind me of the terror that professors have to state any personal opinion in the classroom, and I’m thinking especially of religious beliefs. That’s a fear that today’s relativism has instilled into academia. Why are professors not free to respectfully indicate the path to true freedom and happiness? “Because it’s not in their job description.”. Well, sure, then maybe the problem lies in their job description.
When she talks about evangelization, I don't think she means it in the way you think. If you look up some of her stuff, she's very far left. I do think its great that she did this dialougue with Bishop Barron however.
She does teach the value of our culture which is narcissism. I'm not saying the she is a narcissist. Why charter schools are so important. Christ rose from the dead or he did not. He was who he claimed to be or He was not. Pick one.
This was such a great conversation, I would like to see a Part 2. Thank you all for providing the underlying philosophies behind the American experiment. So fascinating and rich.
Absolutely rich experience . Pls we need Episode 2. We need to better understand why , when, where, what and by who. It will help to better understand the self and the other . A great tool for the exchange of ideas , so together we travel and encounter the path to Truth
An academic conversation delivered in a very comprehensive manner. Bishop, I appreciate you for making this conversation so understandable for popular viewers like me. Keep doing the great Shepherd work of feeding Jesus Lambs and sheep. I thank you! PS.....I like your guest.she's very down-to-earth and doing a great job of explaining varieties of subjects.
Man, I have a long reading list ahead of me. Fascinating conversation! Ratner-Rosenhagen says so many things I had never considered. Thinking about the enviroment where ideas were conceived is almost as important and interesting as the ideas themselves.
As American with pre revolutionary ancestors, I found this foundational to who we are. Thanks again to Bishop Barron for appreciating and utilizing female intellect!
Inspiring to me to hear these ideas, So important where we immerse our minds where ideas are concerned.... I always love Fr Barron's vision, though. He maintains high standards. I think wishy washy- ness is part of our problem today.
Excellent discussion. I remember the first time I heard this song. It was in my fourth grade music class, and the song was very popular. When I heard the words, I honestly didn't think that I should sing such a song. Almost fifty years later, I was right! And so is Bishop Barron, as usual.
Great point at 20:38. So often we're hyper focused on the 13 colonies, we forget that wide swathes (Catholicized) everywhere else that predate British claims in the East.
Very interesting... The one major gap in his mind that I've perceived over the last several years is a lack of understanding of sexuality as generally experienced. My conjecture is that he is so healthy sexually that it is a kind of blind spot. But it makes sense to me that it comes across in the way you perceive as well.
@@rohan7224 consider in a 12 step program how addicts are mentored by other addicts. My impression is that the bishop can watch a show (say, early episodes of Game of Thrones) and not consider the nudity especially problematic, whereas a porn addict could very likely find it triggering a relapse.
Thank you for another great interview. I learned so much. My brain and heart have been refreshed thinking about our American history and many of the key thinkers and ideas that have formed us. Now I want to learn even more.
I was walking in the PedMall listening to Bishop Barron talk about G.K. Chesterton reading Walt Whitman, and I just got goosebumps all up my spine, and my eyes filled with tears. What a fruitful conversation. God's Peace to you all.
Nice safe topics for Bishop Barron. I like listening to his lectures during peaceful times but would like to hear his mind on current Church rumblings like the TLM
What a delightful opportunity to reconnect through this discussion with a "History Of Ideas" course I had in college in the early 60's! As Bishop Baron says, ideas have consequences, and for many years I was looking for a way to be an intellectually honest Christian. My journey finally led me home into the Catholic Church.
Agreed.Her hand gestures which is used expressively to make her point across , is so relatable to me when I teach younger students. It makes her so alive and fascinating to listen to.
نقاش رائع و ممتع جدا جدا يختصر عدد من الارآء الفكرية المحورية و يبن بلورتها ارتباطها وانعكاساتها اغلب الاسئلة التي طرحت اتت الى استنتاجات واضحة و ايجابية كل هذا في ساعة واحدة شكرا جزيلا لكم You are really inspiring Thank you for sharing your beautiful lively thoughts
This!!! "I don't really know what my point is except to say: the history of ideas is really weird and interesting, and the cross pollinization is really intriguing of who influences whom and why..." - Bishop Bob. 🤗
So true that ideas have real-world consequences. I was a bit confused by “THERE IS A VERSION OF NIETZSCHE THAT LEADS TO PAUL TILLICH”. In the final part, where Bishop Barron and Dr. Ratgen-Rosehauser talk about how Nietzsche can also be read almost in a positive sense from the christian perspective. Ok, but so what did Nietzsche ‘actually’ think ? Did he write in an open-ended way on purpose? Sorry about my ignorance but how could he be saying two opposite things at the same time?
I haven't read Nietzsche myself, but what I hear being said is that his project, what he"actually thought" was that all assumptions, all foundations, should be challenged... torn down and analyzed no matter where it leads. So he might challenge (say) Catholicism, but also various movements that reject Catholicism. And the irony is that the analysis gives other thinkers (theologians in particular) a starting place, like a box of Legos, to construct a better intellectual framework. But also terrible ones.
@@michaelmicek Thanks. That would be a positive read of Nietzsche, although I’m not sure he supported the “no matter where it leads” part. I’ve read a couple of his books, and it seems to me like he wanted the destruction of traditional values to lead to a world where human beings rely on their own powers, without God. But again, I don’t know if this is what he meant.
Excellent. I think the most interesting point is where Bishop Barron points out that one gets hell even for asserting that one can know the real world and that there are objective moral values.. like the pursuit of truth by the intellect. Materialism reduces to isolated narcissism and an inability to reason. Strife is the net effect. People should consider how strange it is to hold that the absolute truth is that there is no absolute truth and that it is absolutely wrong to say there is. The modern narcissist.
So important where we place our focus...ideas have "consequences"....I always resonate w/ Fr Barron...he maintains high standard...I think today's wishy washy-ness is the problem.
How about the injury done to the medical fields by using a pragmatic industrialism to treat the human person. Where did it come from and how do we create more holistic health care setting.
I love WOF. However, this video made me uncomfortable from the get-go because of the layout of the seating and the arrangement. It's odd to force a guest to be turning 180° to interact with other guests/host. Also, Bishop Barron could have easily hosted this conversation without a host. Dr. JRR seems sandwiched in an awkward arrangement. She's petite (not intellectually) but physically compared to these two men. That creates an odd trappedness and dominance, to me. I would have setup the studio more like the Dave Rubin set with three chairs facing the middle, host center, facing camera. I would have softened the situation even more by having a woman host or employing Brandon Baat. Regardless, thank you for everything WOF has created. It's changing the world and saving souls.
These talks are great, but I think they lack the cultural penetration they deserve simply because the speakers aren't in the mainstream. This is sad, but I think maybe it would help to have "popular" speakers interspersed so as to bring more attention to the entire program and consequently raise awareness of these wonderful guests.
Nietzsche, however, takes the voluntarism, but not the pessimism. He admired Schopenhauer greatly, but the result of leaving his pessimism is simply a vitalism. There are three points to examine, three thesis of Nietzsche: the two morals, the destruction of values, and Superman.
When they talk about history effecting a persons beliefs, you can see it in the following persons different beliefs down to let's say the micro level, Robert Schuller, Norman V Peale, Rev Billy Graham, Rabbi Harold Kushner, Rabbi Abraham twerski, John Macarthur lastly Rick Warren. This is why I wish more theologians would be more humble ! ! ! ! No one has a monopoly on truth ! I remember a pastor was young and was just orinated he said he asked abvice from a Black Baptist minster that was approaching 90 yrs. The old minister said son I will give you two things to always remember, one, there is a God, two, you ain't him !
Alma Redemptoris Mater (O Loving Mother of our Redeemer) O Loving Mother of our Redeemer O loving Mother of our Redeemer, gate of heaven, star of the sea, Hasten to aid thy fallen people who strive to rise once more. Thou who brought forth thy holy Creator, all creation wond'ring, Yet remainest ever Virgin, taking from Gabriel's lips that joyful "Hail!": be merciful to us sinners.
It is true that Herbert Spencer coined, "survival of the fittest" but Darwin DID endorse Spencer's phrase in Darwin's subsequent edition of Origin of Species. Read Chapter 3 "Struggle for Existence"
Here's an observation by Nietzsche: 'The will cannot will backwards… That time does not run backward, that is his wrath; ‘that which was’ is the name of the stone he cannot move. And so he moves stones out of wrath and displeasure, and he wreaks revenge on whatever does not feel wrath and displeasure as he does. Thus the will, the liberator, took to hurting; and on all who can suffer he wreaks revenge for his inability to go backwards. This, indeed this alone, is what revenge is: the will’s ill will against time and its ‘it was.’ “Verily, a great folly dwells in our will; and it has become a curse for everything human that this folly has acquired spirit' - Nietzsche, in Thus Spake Zarathustra. Some people use history as a trauma that requires rectification. That's the 'use' Nietzsche made of history: to arrive at this conclusion; not to mention his vast investigations into the 'genealogy' of concepts. We inhabit an era of ideology, and one of the major delusions of ideologues is that they can 'rectify' the past. In fact, both Nietzsche and Marx dreamt of the transformation of values and human character. The longing for total revolution (a phrase which is the title of an excellent book by Bernard Yack), is a grand illusion with a long life, we would not know this but for the study of ideas. Dr. Ratner-Rosenhagen studies the history of ideas, clearly such study carries significance for her, because it tells her that the debates of the present have roots in the past. Does not such explication enhance our understanding of contemporary life? We need to adopt a responsible stand toward history, and we cannot do that without studying it. History is another name for human experience, and humans by their nature carry the memories of their origins with them. These memories teach us something, even if that something is that there's no immanent 'law' of historical change or progress. One conclusion (for me) is that philosophical questions cannot be conflated with history or sociology. The most important ones are perennial, beyond context. They concern the pursuit of wisdom. Unlike the US Supreme Court, we cannot worship 'tradition' - i.e., what happens - as a criterion for human conduct. Philosophy and the history of ideas are 'useful' in the sense of assisting us in a struggle to preserve ourselves from our own actions. To say the study of history is useless is tantamount to saying examining our past behavior is futile. But futile or not, that's the way we are
Memes. I'm kinda heartbroken on that topic. I wish people thought smarter. There's a song by Dave Mason called "Can't stop worrying, can't stop loving". He says "Who am I talking to? It's just myself. I talk to the wall. When I talk to someone else". I get that one in my "contrast". All I can do is be friend without the dialogue I guess.
“God is dead. We've killed him, and we have his bloodstains on our hands” is the cry of anguish between the crucifixion and the resurrection, not unlike our despairing times.
Being solely responsible for your own actions and your own project is hardly suffocating. Firstly, there is no reason not to build on what came before, but figure out your own reasons for adopting it that doesn't involve "god said so". Secondly, for most people, its not suffocating, it is agoraphobic from the vast expanse of the reality the individual is now responsible for, where before you could leave most all of it to the guy in the sky. Yes, it can be a crushing level of responsibility that most people are never prepared properly to handle solely because abolishing god was only the first step on the existential modernist agenda, the second step is to make the state the new god, hence how nazis adored Nietzsche, and ironically the cultural marxists hate him because he was the first to identify what their platform was.
Just start with Platos Republic. You ll see why deep thinking is inseparable from believing in God. Or go to Dr Robert George and his talks with Dr Cornel West on TH-cam. Christ understood this way of thinking. Just look at the sharpness of his reply about rendering to Caesar. Or his warning to Pilate you would have no power we’re it not given to you. He know how others thought. We must too.
@@Denis.Collins yeah totally..i see Nietzsche as the punk rocker of philosophers...:)...he called people out for their bullshit...he wuddnt let anyone get away with any pretentiousness..even tho he..himself cuddnt see the irony of that statement lol..as he himself thought he was the ubermensch of philosophers...i loved Zarathustra...wont say i understood it lol..but i loved the way he wrote with such venom...their is a weirdo inside of me that is addicted to his callous contempt of all authority..i often take a break from him as he can become toxic after a while and i feel like doing a kurt cobain yanno??...soooo i take solace in the writings of gk chesterton to make me see the hope....okies im rambling but im glad you also have an admiration for the man...take care..
@@che_guevara67 within your earthly vessel there's a crowd one of you who's humble; one who's proud one who's broken hearted for his sins, one who's unrepentant - sits and grins, of these two earthly 'cares' you would be free if you could but determine; which is thee?
@@celestesmedes4254 thanks for taking the time to send that...being humble?...sometimes...if im in the wrong i will put my hand up and say sorry etc..but if i am not in the wrong i will never apologise...humility if overdone is rotten and fraudulent...broken hearted. for his sins..and unrepentant?...ohhh baby thats a biggie...i have repented to real live humans that i have hurt throughtout the years some forgave me with a smile and a hug..some didnt want to hear it...but i think you meant unrepentant towards god right? yeahhhh...ive said sorry to the cosmic dictator many times....a lot of times in tears but ofcourse like a dog freshly washed i immediately run and wallow in muck....what can i do?....sooo i live my life on a razors edge...so to sum up i would say im all of the mentioned..some days are better than others..but thanks...take care...
Believe in knowledge and information, is modern era. Butt a law and order empliymented here iff ?? Has to respectfully identify. Is a valuable eye for moral means.
In my personal opinion anyone who advances the human understanding in any field is in someway a prophet cause he or she by doing so is unraveling the secrets of Life=God, …and what comes next is our implementation of those new facts
Home is center of aall cycles. Butt only one Power center be full equal iff present and behind equally, if second convert into opposite than is moral crisis. Matter.
Uhm, great talk but, minor detail...I feel like as the guest she should have been on one side or the other, so she didn't have to keep whipsawing her head back and forth.
I felt a sense of awkwardness looking at the video. The setting would have been more comfortable with the three participants sitting around one half of a round table six feet in diameter. The book and glasses of water would have their place on the table. The simple black background is very effective.
@@BishopBarron It's true there's no pleasing everyone, yet there are ways your show could please many more people on this front. Two other people in the comments section had these suggestions: 1) use the layout that the Dave Rubin set uses when there are 3 people: have 3 chairs sort of facing the middle with the host in the center facing the camera; 2) Another person suggested: "I felt a sense of awkwardness looking at the video. The setting would have been more comfortable with the three participants sitting around one half of a round table six feet in diameter. The book and glasses of water would have their place on the table. The simple black background is very effective." // There are likely other ways that other shows on TV or TH-cam have handled this situation of 3 people. I agree that the current seating approach could be improved. God bless you.
I see out eye without doubt true and just I see to shining sea inlaw above and below just and true eyes without doubt Path be known to the . Sure as hell not you tell me
Even though this was a good discussion, Bishop Barron and Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen are naïve when it comes to understanding Nietzsche and Marx and their ultimately flawed and anti-Christian perspectives.
Thank God for these videos, I'm 82 and have a couple of adopted kids that have been out of catholic school for over three months now with out any idea when it might open (and I still pay tuition). Church has been closed so no mass, confession, nothing. I watch TV mass that's it. I am in St. Theresa's of the child Jesus parish. Prayers for us here appreciated.
Nietzsche wrote: “The strength of a person’s spirit would then be measured by how much “ truth” he could tolerate, or more precisely, to what extent he needs to have it diluted, disguised, sweetened, muted, falsified”. This seems particularly relevant in our divided America. We seem to seek out only those opinions and facts that support our own self created world view. We enter echo chambers that reinforce our views rather than seeking out challenges to our perceptions in search of truth. This was a great discussion that helps us to think about the competing ideas that shape our societies and cultures. Great discussion with references to great thinkers that I’ll research further. Many thanks to all involved with brining this program to us.
Well said!
Very interesting discussion. As a scientist, I notice as scientists increasing shut down their sense of the supernatural, that they are increasingly becoming more technologists than scientists, losing their sense of wonder at creation. In molecular biology, this has led to a reliance on the past understanding of old genes rather than looking for new mechanisms and functions. I recently had a senior scientist at Rockefeller University tell me not to undertake a new area of research because, "everything had been done in the 1980s, so there was nothing new." if this were just the musings of someone who needs retirement, it would be one thing, but time and time again, the new idea is treated with suspicion and mistrust if it doesn't fit with the old thinking or accompanied by a new technology.
Very true. That's why, it's very important for us, HUMANS, to stay grounded and be open to precautionary advise of not letting that " superior thinking" be written all over the forehead to those who carry that particular title.All we have to remember is what God said and did.......
"they all have that ONE language and this is what they begin to do. NOW, nothing that they PROPOSE to do will be withheld from them"
Indeed, we are now living and witnessing the latter part of that sentence uttered by God.What we need to remember is....IF he can caused confusion' of language during the ancient time , he can do another way of showing to us........" hey, you're not all that knowledgeable. I'm still here, your God. You still need to TRUST me instead of trusting and relying your own knowledge.
I love these discussions! Intelligent, informative, refreshing. My reading list is getting even longer! Our country and Church needs this kind of exploration of ideas to unveil the fullness of Truth.
Jennifer Ratner Rosenhagen crackles with intellectual insight & passion, has so much to say that her hands continually supplement her mouth to speak. She & Bishop Barron serve us a feast for the mind!
I completely agree with you:) I love them both. Her hand gestures really makes her fascinating to watch .It makes her so alive and not boring to listen to.She's also very down-to-earth the way she relates varieties of subjects.
The rapport between Rosenhagen and Barron is so uplifting.
@@nicksibly526 Agreed.
Very, very interesting video. I appreciate the way this discussion is held in that it doesn't make me feel inadequate in understanding what is being shared. This is the reason I love Word on Fire - they never talk above me - and this helps me in so many ways when I evangelize others. Thank you Word on Fire!
Amen and so well said!
Fantastic conversation, Dr. Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen brings so much passion to her topic I ordered her book right away.
Humbled by the depth of this conversation - thank you for making these topics accessible. Dr. Ratgen-Rosenhauer is such a bright light. Her final comments remind me of the terror that professors have to state any personal opinion in the classroom, and I’m thinking especially of religious beliefs. That’s a fear that today’s relativism has instilled into academia. Why are professors not free to respectfully indicate the path to true freedom and happiness? “Because it’s not in their job description.”. Well, sure, then maybe the problem lies in their job description.
When she talks about evangelization, I don't think she means it in the way you think. If you look up some of her stuff, she's very far left. I do think its great that she did this dialougue with Bishop Barron however.
@@andya7964 Understood. I’ve actually edited my comment now as I hadn’t stated my thoughts well initially. Thanks.
She does teach the value of our culture which is narcissism. I'm not saying the she is a narcissist. Why charter schools are so important. Christ rose from the dead or he did not. He was who he claimed to be or He was not. Pick one.
@@tommore3263 I think we are saying the same thing, thanks Tom.
She's a Jew.
What an eye-opening discussion. Thank you all for bringing us such a wealth of knowledge.
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This was such a great conversation, I would like to see a Part 2. Thank you all for providing the underlying philosophies behind the American experiment. So fascinating and rich.
Yes! ^THIS^
Please we need Part II. These videos fill a great yearning a lot of us have for this type of discourse. Where else but on WORD ON FIRE!
Absolutely!
Absolutely rich experience . Pls we need Episode 2. We need to better understand why , when, where, what and by who. It will help to better understand the self and the other . A great tool for the exchange of ideas , so together we travel and encounter the path to Truth
Great questions, interesting discussions and surprising connections. Thank you and God bless.
What a treat! Thanks Bishop Barron and the Word on Fire team for arranging this rich dialogue. Very inspiring. May God bless you!
An academic conversation delivered in a very comprehensive manner. Bishop, I appreciate you for making this conversation so understandable for popular viewers like me. Keep doing the great Shepherd work of feeding Jesus Lambs and sheep.
I thank you!
PS.....I like your guest.she's very down-to-earth and doing a great job of explaining varieties of subjects.
Wow! The joy of the human mind working is evident in Ms Rosenberg, BP. Barron. Your a great moderator Jared.
Thank You GOD Father Son and Holy Spirit!
Hi Margaret
Man, I have a long reading list ahead of me. Fascinating conversation! Ratner-Rosenhagen says so many things I had never considered. Thinking about the enviroment where ideas were conceived is almost as important and interesting as the ideas themselves.
siempre es un placer escuchar al Obispo Barron
Bishop Barrón is always enlightening and informative.
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As American with pre revolutionary ancestors, I found this foundational to who we are. Thanks again to Bishop Barron for appreciating and utilizing female intellect!
Fantastic! Looking forward to reading both books.
Informative, and inspiring -- the intellectual answers we get here are so satisfying! -- I have already recommended the video.
Inspiring to me to hear
these ideas, So important where we immerse our minds where ideas are concerned....
I always love Fr Barron's vision, though. He maintains high standards. I think wishy washy- ness is part of our problem today.
Wow healthy conversation
Fascinating conversation. Thank you!
Super stimulating discussion, thank you.
I would love to be a student in her class. Great conversation. Thank you, all of you.
Excellent discussion. I remember the first time I heard this song. It was in my fourth grade music class, and the song was very popular. When I heard the words, I honestly didn't think that I should sing such a song. Almost fifty years later, I was right! And so is Bishop Barron, as usual.
Great point at 20:38. So often we're hyper focused on the 13 colonies, we forget that wide swathes (Catholicized) everywhere else that predate British claims in the East.
Bishop Barron is the epitome of how a man should talk to women.
AMEN
Thank you☆
yep hes quite the ladies man lol..nahhhh hes a good guy..
Very interesting...
The one major gap in his mind that I've perceived over the last several years is a lack of understanding of sexuality as generally experienced.
My conjecture is that he is so healthy sexually that it is a kind of blind spot.
But it makes sense to me that it comes across in the way you perceive as well.
@@rohan7224 consider in a 12 step program how addicts are mentored by other addicts.
My impression is that the bishop can watch a show (say, early episodes of Game of Thrones) and not consider the nudity especially problematic, whereas a porn addict could very likely find it triggering a relapse.
Truly a fantastic dialogue! Great insights and an inspiration to keep on the path.
Thank you for another great interview. I learned so much. My brain and heart have been refreshed thinking about our American history and many of the key thinkers and ideas that have formed us. Now I want to learn even more.
Absolutely enjoyed every bit of this!!! Thank you
I was walking in the PedMall listening to Bishop Barron talk about G.K. Chesterton reading Walt Whitman, and I just got goosebumps all up my spine, and my eyes filled with tears.
What a fruitful conversation. God's Peace to you all.
Beautiful thank you!
Thank you , thank you for this wonderful experience!
God bless your hearts ♥️
Beautiful! And I could follow! I hope to see more of this conversation.
Nice safe topics for Bishop Barron. I like listening to his lectures during peaceful times but would like to hear his mind on current Church rumblings like the TLM
He's trying to evangelize the (general American) culture.
Trads currently (arguably to their credit) have little to do with that culture.
@@michaelmicek If you're not evangelizing then your faith is most likely dead.
@@JJ-zr6fu who isn't evangelizing?
Absolutely loved this talk!!!!!!
What a delightful opportunity to reconnect through this discussion with a "History Of Ideas" course I had in college in the early 60's! As Bishop Baron says, ideas have consequences, and for many years I was looking for a way to be an intellectually honest Christian. My journey finally led me home into the Catholic Church.
… continue to learn more of culture and how it relates to Catholicism. Thank you
Great talk!
What about the “heresy of Americanism” that caused Vatican to condemn it? How has this influenced American Catholics in culture and politics?
She is SO cool!!
Agreed.Her hand gestures which is used expressively to make her point across , is so relatable to me when I teach younger students. It makes her so alive and fascinating to listen to.
Very interesting and informative. Thank you
Impressive conversation. I enjoyed it very much.
Best of all
Great video. Thank you very much. This lady is absolutely brilliant
نقاش رائع و ممتع جدا جدا يختصر عدد من الارآء الفكرية المحورية و يبن بلورتها ارتباطها وانعكاساتها
اغلب الاسئلة التي طرحت اتت الى استنتاجات واضحة و ايجابية
كل هذا في ساعة واحدة
شكرا جزيلا لكم
You are really inspiring
Thank you for sharing your beautiful lively thoughts
Fruitful Dialogue..👍
This!!!
"I don't really know what my point is except to say: the history of ideas is really weird and interesting, and the cross pollinization is really intriguing of who influences whom and why..." - Bishop Bob.
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Wonderfully interesting and inspiring conversation. I love the combination of religion or mysticism, philosophy and history.
Wonderful! Thank you 🙏❤️
Wow! This is so rich and tasty. Very elegant conversation. This IS evangelizing the culture. So beautiful. The Word is really on Fire👌👌👌
So true that ideas have real-world consequences. I was a bit confused by “THERE IS A VERSION OF NIETZSCHE THAT LEADS TO PAUL TILLICH”. In the final part, where Bishop Barron and Dr. Ratgen-Rosehauser talk about how Nietzsche can also be read almost in a positive sense from the christian perspective. Ok, but so what did Nietzsche ‘actually’ think ? Did he write in an open-ended way on purpose? Sorry about my ignorance but how could he be saying two opposite things at the same time?
I haven't read Nietzsche myself, but what I hear being said is that his project, what he"actually thought" was that all assumptions, all foundations, should be challenged... torn down and analyzed no matter where it leads.
So he might challenge (say) Catholicism, but also various movements that reject Catholicism.
And the irony is that the analysis gives other thinkers (theologians in particular) a starting place, like a box of Legos, to construct a better intellectual framework.
But also terrible ones.
@@michaelmicek Thanks. That would be a positive read of Nietzsche, although I’m not sure he supported the “no matter where it leads” part. I’ve read a couple of his books, and it seems to me like he wanted the destruction of traditional values to lead to a world where human beings rely on their own powers, without God. But again, I don’t know if this is what he meant.
Excellent. I think the most interesting point is where Bishop Barron points out that one gets hell even for asserting that one can know the real world and that there are objective moral values.. like the pursuit of truth by the intellect. Materialism reduces to isolated narcissism and an inability to reason. Strife is the net effect. People should consider how strange it is to hold that the absolute truth is that there is no absolute truth and that it is absolutely wrong to say there is. The modern narcissist.
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So important where we place our focus...ideas have "consequences"....I always
resonate w/ Fr Barron...he maintains high standard...I think today's wishy washy-ness is the problem.
How about the injury done to the medical fields by using a pragmatic industrialism to treat the human person. Where did it come from and how do we create more holistic health care setting.
I love WOF. However, this video made me uncomfortable from the get-go because of the layout of the seating and the arrangement. It's odd to force a guest to be turning 180° to interact with other guests/host. Also, Bishop Barron could have easily hosted this conversation without a host. Dr. JRR seems sandwiched in an awkward arrangement. She's petite (not intellectually) but physically compared to these two men. That creates an odd trappedness and dominance, to me. I would have setup the studio more like the Dave Rubin set with three chairs facing the middle, host center, facing camera. I would have softened the situation even more by having a woman host or employing Brandon Baat. Regardless, thank you for everything WOF has created. It's changing the world and saving souls.
Can one of you comment on Teilhard De Chardin?
wow man so glad to hear another person interested in him...he was the bomb....love his thinking
I'm almost positive some of his thinking was looked into at vatican 2
These talks are great, but I think they lack the cultural penetration they deserve simply because the speakers aren't in the mainstream. This is sad, but I think maybe it would help to have "popular" speakers interspersed so as to bring more attention to the entire program and consequently raise awareness of these wonderful guests.
The most "popular" speaker was till some day an "obscure" character.
Nietzsche, however, takes the voluntarism, but not the pessimism. He admired
Schopenhauer greatly, but the result of leaving his pessimism is simply a vitalism.
There are three points to examine, three thesis of Nietzsche: the two morals, the destruction
of values, and Superman.
When they talk about history effecting a persons beliefs, you can see it in the following persons different beliefs down to let's say the micro level, Robert Schuller, Norman V Peale, Rev Billy Graham, Rabbi Harold Kushner, Rabbi Abraham twerski, John Macarthur lastly Rick Warren. This is why I wish more theologians would be more humble ! ! ! ! No one has a monopoly on truth ! I remember a pastor was young and was just orinated he said he asked abvice from a Black Baptist minster that was approaching 90 yrs. The old minister said son I will give you two things to always remember, one, there is a God, two, you ain't him !
"one, there is a God, two, you ain't him" is from Rudy
Alma Redemptoris Mater (O Loving Mother of our Redeemer)
O Loving Mother of our Redeemer
O loving Mother of our Redeemer, gate of heaven, star of the sea,
Hasten to aid thy fallen people who strive to rise once more.
Thou who brought forth thy holy Creator, all creation wond'ring,
Yet remainest ever Virgin, taking from Gabriel's lips
that joyful "Hail!": be merciful to us sinners.
Hey guys, what you're doing is great. Minor suggestions: couches instead of high stools.
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It is true that Herbert Spencer coined, "survival of the fittest" but Darwin DID endorse Spencer's phrase in Darwin's subsequent edition of Origin of Species. Read Chapter 3 "Struggle for Existence"
Pls don’t have time restraints on these discussions. Just let them go as long as there is a good flow.
Here's an observation by Nietzsche: 'The will cannot will backwards… That time does not run backward, that is his wrath; ‘that which was’ is the name of the stone he cannot move. And so he moves stones out of wrath and displeasure, and he wreaks revenge on whatever does not feel wrath and displeasure as he does. Thus the will, the liberator, took to hurting; and on all who can suffer he wreaks revenge for his inability to go backwards. This, indeed this alone, is what revenge is: the will’s ill will against time and its ‘it was.’ “Verily, a great folly dwells in our will; and it has become a curse for everything human that this folly has acquired spirit' - Nietzsche, in Thus Spake Zarathustra.
Some people use history as a trauma that requires rectification.
That's the 'use' Nietzsche made of history: to arrive at this conclusion; not to mention his vast investigations into the 'genealogy' of concepts. We inhabit an era of ideology, and one of the major delusions of ideologues is that they can 'rectify' the past. In fact, both Nietzsche and Marx dreamt of the transformation of values and human character. The longing for total revolution (a phrase which is the title of an excellent book by Bernard Yack), is a grand illusion with a long life, we would not know this but for the study of ideas. Dr. Ratner-Rosenhagen studies the history of ideas, clearly such study carries significance for her, because it tells her that the debates of the present have roots in the past. Does not such explication enhance our understanding of contemporary life?
We need to adopt a responsible stand toward history, and we cannot do that without studying it. History is another name for human experience, and humans by their nature carry the memories of their origins with them. These memories teach us something, even if that something is that there's no immanent 'law' of historical change or progress. One conclusion (for me) is that philosophical questions cannot be conflated with history or sociology. The most important ones are perennial, beyond context. They concern the pursuit of wisdom. Unlike the US Supreme Court, we cannot worship 'tradition' - i.e., what happens - as a criterion for human conduct. Philosophy and the history of ideas are 'useful' in the sense of assisting us in a struggle to preserve ourselves from our own actions. To say the study of history is useless is tantamount to saying examining our past behavior is futile. But futile or not, that's the way we are
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The mom from That 70s Show is pretty smart...
Memes. I'm kinda heartbroken on that topic. I wish people thought smarter. There's a song by Dave Mason called "Can't stop worrying, can't stop loving". He says "Who am I talking to? It's just myself. I talk to the wall. When I talk to someone else". I get that one in my "contrast". All I can do is be friend without the dialogue I guess.
Awesome video by all 3 participants but those moments where she seemed to try to teach the extremely well read Bishop Barron was kinda funny.
Father is always for his son and daughters for them Good and except able Acts. Is Earth's father's views. Help full.
Great discussion. Like this comment if you want to see Alasdair Macintyre sit down for a crossroad discussion with Bishop Barron.
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“God is dead. We've killed him, and we have his bloodstains on our hands” is the cry of anguish between the crucifixion and the resurrection, not unlike our despairing times.
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Being solely responsible for your own actions and your own project is hardly suffocating. Firstly, there is no reason not to build on what came before, but figure out your own reasons for adopting it that doesn't involve "god said so". Secondly, for most people, its not suffocating, it is agoraphobic from the vast expanse of the reality the individual is now responsible for, where before you could leave most all of it to the guy in the sky. Yes, it can be a crushing level of responsibility that most people are never prepared properly to handle solely because abolishing god was only the first step on the existential modernist agenda, the second step is to make the state the new god, hence how nazis adored Nietzsche, and ironically the cultural marxists hate him because he was the first to identify what their platform was.
Very interesting topic,however feels very uncomfortable seating hard to watch .
Two minutes in and I am so distracted by the excess of hand motioning.
A little less would go a long way at least for me.
Just start with Platos Republic. You ll see why deep thinking is inseparable from believing in God. Or go to Dr Robert George and his talks with Dr Cornel West on TH-cam. Christ understood this way of thinking. Just look at the sharpness of his reply about rendering to Caesar. Or his warning to Pilate you would have no power we’re it not given to you. He know how others thought. We must too.
"Nietzsche killed Jim Morrison." - John Densmore of The Doors
i love Nietzsche....he had balls....
@@Denis.Collins yeah totally..i see Nietzsche as the punk rocker of philosophers...:)...he called people out for their bullshit...he wuddnt let anyone get away with any pretentiousness..even tho he..himself cuddnt see the irony of that statement lol..as he himself thought he was the ubermensch of philosophers...i loved Zarathustra...wont say i understood it lol..but i loved the way he wrote with such venom...their is a weirdo inside of me that is addicted to his callous contempt of all authority..i often take a break from him as he can become toxic after a while and i feel like doing a kurt cobain yanno??...soooo i take solace in the writings of gk chesterton to make me see the hope....okies im rambling but im glad you also have an admiration for the man...take care..
@@che_guevara67 within your earthly vessel there's a crowd
one of you who's humble; one who's proud
one who's broken hearted for his sins,
one who's unrepentant - sits and grins,
of these two earthly 'cares' you would be free
if you could but determine;
which is thee?
@@celestesmedes4254 thanks for taking the time to send that...being humble?...sometimes...if im in the wrong i will put my hand up and say sorry etc..but if i am not in the wrong i will never apologise...humility if overdone is rotten and fraudulent...broken hearted. for his sins..and unrepentant?...ohhh baby thats a biggie...i have repented to real live humans that i have hurt throughtout the years some forgave me with a smile and a hug..some didnt want to hear it...but i think you meant unrepentant towards god right? yeahhhh...ive said sorry to the cosmic dictator many times....a lot of times in tears but ofcourse like a dog freshly washed i immediately run and wallow in muck....what can i do?....sooo i live my life on a razors edge...so to sum up i would say im all of the mentioned..some days are better than others..but thanks...take care...
@@Denis.Collins So that's why he had psychotic break? His philosophy drove him insane I hardly call that as enduring.
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Believe in knowledge and information, is modern era. Butt a law and order empliymented here iff ?? Has to respectfully identify. Is a valuable eye for moral means.
In my personal opinion anyone who advances the human understanding in any field is in someway a prophet cause he or she by doing so is unraveling the secrets of Life=God,
…and what comes next is our implementation of those new facts
Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen got her Ph.D. in History of American Civilization at Brandeis University. Is she Jewish?
Of course.
I sure as hell not socrates
"God is Dead ..." is a lamentation, condemnation and admonition!
Home is center of aall cycles. Butt only one Power center be full equal iff present and behind equally, if second convert into opposite than is moral crisis. Matter.
It is not nihiLo, it is NIHIO. People are putting Ls everywhere today.
Where did you study Latin?! The phrase is "ex nihilo."
Iff without touching financial boundary another's, butt self weakness repair first. Self respect Base is self maintain essential. Self Home .
Nietzsche is Dead. Died with No Hope. Enter Here...my son
Uhm, great talk but, minor detail...I feel like as the guest she should have been on one side or the other, so she didn't have to keep whipsawing her head back and forth.
And when I was in the middle, people complained that I was "whipping my head back and forth." No pleasing everybody, I suppose.
@@BishopBarron Haha, nope !
I felt a sense of awkwardness looking at the video. The setting would have been more comfortable with the three participants sitting around one half of a round table six feet in diameter. The book and glasses of water would have their place on the table. The simple black background is very effective.
@@BishopBarron It's true there's no pleasing everyone, yet there are ways your show could please many more people on this front. Two other people in the comments section had these suggestions: 1) use the layout that the Dave Rubin set uses when there are 3 people: have 3 chairs sort of facing the middle with the host in the center facing the camera; 2) Another person suggested: "I felt a sense of awkwardness looking at the video. The setting would have been more comfortable with the three participants sitting around one half of a round table six feet in diameter. The book and glasses of water would have their place on the table. The simple black background is very effective." // There are likely other ways that other shows on TV or TH-cam have handled this situation of 3 people. I agree that the current seating approach could be improved. God bless you.
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Even though this was a good discussion, Bishop Barron and Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen are naïve when it comes to understanding Nietzsche and Marx and their ultimately flawed and anti-Christian perspectives.