Nice look in the box. Kursk should actually have the Panther ausf D but there isn't a plastic kit for it so Battlefront has used the A. The Panther ausf A missed Operation Citadel but made it to the Eastern Front later...
Great video guys, your channel has made me dive back into FoW head first after dropping it in V3 due to the awful Soviet rules. Also, your comment on rotate to face is a must, it makes such a difference when using forward firing tanks (and gun teams). It really opens up great flanking options, and balances out these units. Gun teams rotating often mean you can then escape their field of fire next turn. Skipping this step is just soft cheating 😂
I always love the positivity of your videos lads. I've only been into FOW for a year now, but I think the Soviet faction is poorly designed and lacks quality and variety in the models range. I find even the free resin one I can print out being much better quality. It'd be nice to see you guys play a game with the combined units included in the two sets and see how that goes.
Those very models are on the painitng station as we speak. Then again so are a mountain of other models, but this is defniitely something we hope to do.
Very cool review, very nice conclusion. Your WW2 trivia about the Soviet and German are on point. So well... you gained a follower. ( PS : I'll steal your beautiful wargaming table :p )
Always enjoy these videos. Appreciate the perspective. Think I need this, only just to build and paint them. What would be a good set for support vehicles, like armored cars, artillery, etc?
You definitely want at least one unit of infantry in Flames of War. Something to dig in on a home objective that is near impossible to shift if it just hunkers down. After that, some arty and some recon for forward deployment. Fom there, your golden.
Looks like a good set, especially if you combine it with the Stalingrad set. I wish Battlefront would make some rural buildings in plastic at some point too.
Dang, if they haven't updated the points, at 100 points, the Su-85s at 4 tanks take you over by 14 points. Drop them down to 2, which you shouldn't due to morale/last stand and you can bring in some infantry or more Valentines. The Flamethrower Panzer 3 card is in the Panzer 3 (late) box & the rules are in Ghost Panzer/Eastern Front
I am doing two T34 battalion boxes. The treads don’t fit snug and I cheeked them forward and a pain when doing the fenders. The exhaust pieces suck gluing. And one box is a lighter plastic and a little translucent but parts like the exhaust don’t mount easily on the other bodies. And I’m halfway through 42 tanks but not thrilled with the model. Not that I can design a model. Overall I’ll live and we’ll have a 100+ Kursk game at HISTORICON 2024.
This is exactly what I was looking for, just started flames of war with a buddy and we split this box. Lots of great info. Also, is that a reaper king shirt?
Looks like a great set but the Panthers and PZIV in Zimmerit appears to be a bit too early and it wasn't used till after the Kursk period and can find no evidence for it being widely used till after September 43.
Yeah, they are probably a bit early for Kursk, but it is nice to offer different models to those in the desert war sets, which people in many cases already have.
@@dominictaylor8672 Some of the old models are great especially from the boxed sets. I have a set of British Shermans and every tank is different. That said, thin metal barrel on AA suck hard.
@@johnmiddleton4291 yea but something about those resin models just feel better and seems there was more range in models as well just wish I had bought some resin panthers
@@dominictaylor8672 What they really need is packs of plastic accessories to customize each nations armour. You can get these in metal for 15mm from various dealers though and it makes a big difference on these plastic kits.
Apparently, the Russians liked the Valentine because it was a very reliable tank and could be up gunned and apparently was. What calibre gun it was given I don’t have a clue.
having rcently purchased this box set I noticed that the art work shows 2 Valentines with 6pdr and one with 2 pdr . What would be the appropriate gun for Kursk ? would it better to have the 2 pdr and the Besa M/G than just a better penetration of the 6 pdr? thanks
Great video. Thank you for this review. Purchased the starter and played some rounds with my son. Unfortunately the box is not really balanced well. No chance for the Soviets against the german Panthers or Tiger. T-34 and Valentine are useless. 60 cm range against 100cm of the German Panther and Tiger. Even Panzer 3 and 4 shoot at 70 and 80cm. So you have to move into range with the Soviets. But if you move you can‘t fire or can‘t hit because of the german 4+1 camo+1 range +1 overworked =7 to hit. Lol. And you are not able to pen front. So you have to move further around. Germans can stay or easily Blitz, shoot double shots and need only a 4. Soviet Armor roll useless because of 14 Antitank. Playing Soviets is frustrating and we stopped playing the game now. 😢
I would say three things - 1: Playing late War Soviets you can access much heavier gear than is in this particular box. This just gets you started. 2: You really need to work onto the flanks when facing harder armoured targets. If you have no real effect from the front you can make a fairly long move with a dash. 3: This is a pints balanced objective game. You will probably find weaker tanks still win because the more expensive ones don't cover enough of the board and are vulnerable in the side. I hope these things can help you with future games.
Great detailed review just watched this and the stalingrad boxset review, i like your shop content and will deffo be dropping an order for both boxsets very soon
Nice look in the box. Kursk should actually have the Panther ausf D but there isn't a plastic kit for it so Battlefront has used the A. The Panther ausf A missed Operation Citadel but made it to the Eastern Front later...
Ah yes, I thought that. I knew the order was DAG, and I knew they debut at Kursk
Tiger and Tiger II were grouped into 11 Heer and 3 SS heavy tank battalions, just to clarify that most of them were not SS
Interesting, thanks
Great video guys, your channel has made me dive back into FoW head first after dropping it in V3 due to the awful Soviet rules. Also, your comment on rotate to face is a must, it makes such a difference when using forward firing tanks (and gun teams). It really opens up great flanking options, and balances out these units. Gun teams rotating often mean you can then escape their field of fire next turn. Skipping this step is just soft cheating 😂
Glad to be of service.
I just started collecting FoW this week and I think this should be my next box.
Great for new players for certain this one.
Churchill Tanks was used in Kursk too
I always love the positivity of your videos lads. I've only been into FOW for a year now, but I think the Soviet faction is poorly designed and lacks quality and variety in the models range. I find even the free resin one I can print out being much better quality. It'd be nice to see you guys play a game with the combined units included in the two sets and see how that goes.
Those very models are on the painitng station as we speak. Then again so are a mountain of other models, but this is defniitely something we hope to do.
Very cool review, very nice conclusion. Your WW2 trivia about the Soviet and German are on point.
So well... you gained a follower.
( PS : I'll steal your beautiful wargaming table :p )
Why thank you. If you like the table you can watch a really badly made video of me building it: th-cam.com/video/UKQwgwPQtw0/w-d-xo.html
@@ModellingforAdvantage It'll be the model for my Summer vacation project. Keep on the good work.
Always enjoy these videos. Appreciate the perspective. Think I need this, only just to build and paint them. What would be a good set for support vehicles, like armored cars, artillery, etc?
You definitely want at least one unit of infantry in Flames of War. Something to dig in on a home objective that is near impossible to shift if it just hunkers down. After that, some arty and some recon for forward deployment. Fom there, your golden.
Grab a copy of the Stalingrad set also, and you will be well on your way.
Great video...even though I don't play FoW, I still find the little bits of history and background makes it worth watching. 👍👍
Glad you like them. If you watch the Bolt Action unboxings, you get to listen to me say the same things about history for models in another scale!
@@ModellingforAdvantage never miss a video. Great combo of history and banter
Looks like a good set, especially if you combine it with the Stalingrad set. I wish Battlefront would make some rural buildings in plastic at some point too.
I WISH they included plastic scenery in their starter sets.
@@ModellingforAdvantage Very true. Especially since they actually have plastic Stalingrad stuff now.
Dang, if they haven't updated the points, at 100 points, the Su-85s at 4 tanks take you over by 14 points. Drop them down to 2, which you shouldn't due to morale/last stand and you can bring in some infantry or more Valentines.
The Flamethrower Panzer 3 card is in the Panzer 3 (late) box & the rules are in Ghost Panzer/Eastern Front
I am doing two T34 battalion boxes. The treads don’t fit snug and I cheeked them forward and a pain when doing the fenders. The exhaust pieces suck gluing. And one box is a lighter plastic and a little translucent but parts like the exhaust don’t mount easily on the other bodies. And I’m halfway through 42 tanks but not thrilled with the model. Not that I can design a model. Overall I’ll live and we’ll have a 100+ Kursk game at HISTORICON 2024.
The t-34 is one of their oldest kits - if they ever start remaking some I think this is a strong candidate.
Just watched this at 2am. On nights again 👍
Hopefully the video made the night shift that little bit more bearable.
@@ModellingforAdvantage definitely Kaiser 👍 keep up the good work
Great review of fantastic starter set :)
Thank you 🤗
This is exactly what I was looking for, just started flames of war with a buddy and we split this box. Lots of great info. Also, is that a reaper king shirt?
It is a great starter for the system.
Looks like a great set but the Panthers and PZIV in Zimmerit appears to be a bit too early and it wasn't used till after the Kursk period and can find no evidence for it being widely used till after September 43.
Yeah, they are probably a bit early for Kursk, but it is nice to offer different models to those in the desert war sets, which people in many cases already have.
@@ModellingforAdvantage My set should arrive later today and dont have any Soviet stuff so will enjoy building and painting the set
Excellent set.... Shame the cost of living crisis is kicking my butt right now....hopefully it sticks around a while...
I know what you mean mate.
Leaving a like for the "stuff & dudes" quote.
Why thank you.
I've still got thousands worth of resin vehicles and tanks honestly I preferred the old models
Interesting...
@@ModellingforAdvantage most are un painted and majority still in packets
@@dominictaylor8672 Some of the old models are great especially from the boxed sets. I have a set of British Shermans and every tank is different.
That said, thin metal barrel on AA suck hard.
@@johnmiddleton4291 yea but something about those resin models just feel better and seems there was more range in models as well just wish I had bought some resin panthers
@@dominictaylor8672 What they really need is packs of plastic accessories to customize each nations armour. You can get these in metal for 15mm from various dealers though and it makes a big difference on these plastic kits.
Apparently, the Russians liked the Valentine because it was a very reliable tank and could be up gunned and apparently was. What calibre gun it was given I don’t have a clue.
Me either, but a guessing man would go for the same 76.2 they put on everything else...
having rcently purchased this box set I noticed that the art work shows 2 Valentines with 6pdr and one with 2 pdr .
What would be the appropriate gun for Kursk ?
would it better to have the 2 pdr and the Besa M/G than just a better penetration of the 6 pdr?
thanks
Definitely the 6pdr is a better option in FoW, but then again, it is probably more points.
Great video. Thank you for this review. Purchased the starter and played some rounds with my son. Unfortunately the box is not really balanced well. No chance for the Soviets against the german Panthers or Tiger. T-34 and Valentine are useless. 60 cm range against 100cm of the German Panther and Tiger. Even Panzer 3 and 4 shoot at 70 and 80cm. So you have to move into range with the Soviets. But if you move you can‘t fire or can‘t hit because of the german 4+1 camo+1 range +1 overworked =7 to hit. Lol. And you are not able to pen front. So you have to move further around. Germans can stay or easily Blitz, shoot double shots and need only a 4. Soviet Armor roll useless because of 14 Antitank. Playing Soviets is frustrating and we stopped playing the game now. 😢
I would say three things - 1: Playing late War Soviets you can access much heavier gear than is in this particular box. This just gets you started. 2: You really need to work onto the flanks when facing harder armoured targets. If you have no real effect from the front you can make a fairly long move with a dash. 3: This is a pints balanced objective game. You will probably find weaker tanks still win because the more expensive ones don't cover enough of the board and are vulnerable in the side.
I hope these things can help you with future games.
I do believe that there is a card for looted Sherman tanks, is there one for T-34s?
Good question, not sure.
Great detailed review just watched this and the stalingrad boxset review, i like your shop content and will deffo be dropping an order for both boxsets very soon
Much appreciated! We try to stock only the things / games we like, and think are good value to players.
@@ModellingforAdvantage im new to fow but i do like the mid war boxsets haha gonna sweet talk the missus to order them for me next week haha
@@t4nkys Sweet!