Fantastic starter set and hope to get most of the models based and base coated this weekend :). Great timing as I Am sat outside waiting for Swansea Wargame Club to open up at 6 30 for a game of MId War Flames of War :).
Nice infantry and arty set. Edit: I added a storm group as a Hero SMG Company (lovely sculps, soft plastic tho) using them with Bagration stats, also a Hero T-34 platoon, 82mm mortars and a few more units included in this box, now the painting of the Soviet "hordes" of inf and crews 😅
Nice review! A good look at German and Soviet infantry sprues that are pretty core to many lists. On the topic of women in the Red Army, have you ever heard of the Night Witches RPG by Jason Morningstar? There are rules for simulating bombing missions and roleplaying the barracks drama, scrounging for supplies and what not, in a campaign game that runs the whole war. I played it with some friends and it was really good stuff. We even got some Zvesda 1/144 Polikarpov Po-2 models for visual aids...
As I'm just getting back into wargames I was most attracted by the kursk and stalingrad sets. Great review it would be nice to see a out of the box game.
Regarding komissars in the Red army, I *believe* that they existed at the company level (with equivalent rank to a company commander and the ability to countermand orders) through October of 1942. After that they adopted the term "political deputy" and were present at the battalion level and above. I'm not an expert though.
My idea for putting small guns on medium bases in FoW: Cut the crew minis carefully from their bases. Use the minis bases as plugs on the medium bases. If you do so you can place the crew freely in the medium base which makes things much easiers. I did it and it is really worth the effort.
The other gun which can be build from the ZiS-3 76mm gun sprue is the 57mm AT gun which is very efffective. The soviet 45mm AT-gun is on the Nebelwerfer sprue which can also build the german 37mm PaK 36 AT-gun.
Great review:). Lot’s of tourney players range in with smoke just to get the ranged in marker down then switch to the painful ranged in bombardment from the next turn.
@@ModellingforAdvantage I am not really a tourney player, but is a good way of getting 5 games in on a weekend and you get to experience tricks like using smoke to get the ranged on marker down. I wish there were more one day events with two or three games.
I was thinking of buying this one or the Kursk one. But im going to buy the DAK Panzer company since im taking Afrika korp and my friend is taking the Armoured fist.
@@Warriorofgothenburg you are gonna want some infantry. Unfortunately the flames of war ones are not available. I am looking at Sjytrex ones currently. Hoping to put together a review soon.
I don’t play this game. As much as I want to get one of these starters the infantry are just way too tiny for me to paint. That being said, I still watch all these videos. I love your commentary on the vehicles and overall historical info. Keep up the good work.
Which starter box is best for a new starter who also wants to get into Chain of Command when there are no preferences regarding factions? Hit the beach or Stalingrad?
I know i'm a bit late on this, the other barrel is for the ZIS2 50mm but why would you model it rather than the ZIS3, it's why I love the SU-76. BTW "I am not a number, I am a free man!" I have the same No 6 pin, bought in Portmeirion. "Be seeing you"
@@ModellingforAdvantage thats the thing every bit of research i have done never shows panzergrenadier unit organization till 1944. i believe until 44 they were organized like regular infantry as a 9 man squad. i cant find documentation of anything else. it could also be that when the organization was upgraded to the 2 mg system in 44 they disposed of the old documents because it wasnt relevant anymore. its a mess. which is a sentiment that my collage history prof also shared with me when we discussed this same topic years ago. i wish i could of found a source to give you sorry.
I got this box and the Kursk box. An extreme amount of plastic for one person. Great value, and great video!
Totally agree!
Fantastic starter set and hope to get most of the models based and base coated this weekend :). Great timing as I Am sat outside waiting for Swansea Wargame Club to open up at 6 30 for a game of MId War Flames of War :).
Nice one mate - what will you be playing?
@@ModellingforAdvantage 100 points of US - Trying a Lee Company with a small infantry Company against Mark’s DAK :)
@@aledroberts6580 Interesting, those Lee's are pretty powerful for 1942. Good luck with it mate.
Nice infantry and arty set. Edit: I added a storm group as a Hero SMG Company (lovely sculps, soft plastic tho) using them with Bagration stats, also a Hero T-34 platoon, 82mm mortars and a few more units included in this box, now the painting of the Soviet "hordes" of inf and crews 😅
I think so too!
@@ModellingforAdvantage Also great from BF to add theme colored dice, nice bonus.
Great video. Would be cool to see you guys do a let's play from this box as the all infantry lists could make for a cool battle
Already talking about it.
Great point about the number of infantry for a starter - it could be intimidating.
A lot of painting eh? C'mon Todd, you know you love painting tiny men!
I am guessing this starter was specifically made for the grogs who have complained about Flames' other tank-centric starters.
Nice review! A good look at German and Soviet infantry sprues that are pretty core to many lists.
On the topic of women in the Red Army, have you ever heard of the Night Witches RPG by Jason Morningstar? There are rules for simulating bombing missions and roleplaying the barracks drama, scrounging for supplies and what not, in a campaign game that runs the whole war. I played it with some friends and it was really good stuff. We even got some Zvesda 1/144 Polikarpov Po-2 models for visual aids...
Sounds like a lot of fun.
This really is a fantastic starter set. I have hit the beach and do want to find the funds to purchase this too (at some point)..
I think all their two player starter sets are great value.
As I'm just getting back into wargames I was most attracted by the kursk and stalingrad sets. Great review it would be nice to see a out of the box game.
Noted!
just paid £45 each for Stalingrad and Kursk boxes - lots of tanks and infantry to build and paint - Good value I'd say
Cracking value, and the kits are great.
Set looks awesome. Couple that with one of the tank platoon starters and you should be in great shape
For sure.
Very interesting unboxing, thanks! If I ever get back to my 15mm WW2 project this would be a definite purchase.
It is a great choice.
Great video guys, I’m getting in to flames of war and this was really useful.
Glad to be of service.
Regarding komissars in the Red army, I *believe* that they existed at the company level (with equivalent rank to a company commander and the ability to countermand orders) through October of 1942. After that they adopted the term "political deputy" and were present at the battalion level and above. I'm not an expert though.
I have heard similar things, so you sound right.
My idea for putting small guns on medium bases in FoW: Cut the crew minis carefully from their bases. Use the minis bases as plugs on the medium bases. If you do so you can place the crew freely in the medium base which makes things much easiers. I did it and it is really worth the effort.
Makes sense.
On the sprue for the Zis 3 76.2mm, the longer barrel is for the 57mm Zis 2, AT 11 from memory.
Thanks.
The other gun which can be build from the ZiS-3 76mm gun sprue is the 57mm AT gun which is very efffective. The soviet 45mm AT-gun is on the Nebelwerfer sprue which can also build the german 37mm PaK 36 AT-gun.
I was really confused by the nebelwerfer sprue, but it makes sense now.
Fantastic stuff, it looks like a great set and would love to see it painted up. I'll have to add it to the list of future tutorials 😆 top stuff 😄
It is a fair whack of painting, but we will get it done one day! Kursk to follow.
@@ModellingforAdvantage awesome 😊
@@paintingpanzers Thanks
really great explanation of the box thank you K🤩
You’re welcome 😊
What I like about this one is that it’s primarily infantry. Though I think they could’ve included a couple German tanks.
Not only infantry, but their best infantry!
Agreed
3 panzer 2s woulda been perfect vs the at guns
Great review:). Lot’s of tourney players range in with smoke just to get the ranged in marker down then switch to the painful ranged in bombardment from the next turn.
Thanks for the tips! Make a lot of sense, but I have never thought of that...
@@ModellingforAdvantage I am not really a tourney player, but is a good way of getting 5 games in on a weekend and you get to experience tricks like using smoke to get the ranged on marker down. I wish there were more one day events with two or three games.
@@aledroberts6580 yeah, I need to try and get involved in more things like that to experience other ways to play.
Again, I wish they included some of that flat terrain.
Yeah, I flip- back and forth on this one... I am not sure this set is that good for total beginners tbh... and anyone else probably doesn't want it.
I was thinking of buying this one or the Kursk one. But im going to buy the DAK Panzer company since im taking Afrika korp and my friend is taking the Armoured fist.
All of them are great sets for the money.
@@ModellingforAdvantage Yeah. Any ideas on where to go after that
@@Warriorofgothenburg you are gonna want some infantry. Unfortunately the flames of war ones are not available. I am looking at Sjytrex ones currently. Hoping to put together a review soon.
@@ModellingforAdvantage Alright thanks whoever one you are
@@Warriorofgothenburg Kaiser@MfA
Also firing like that could burn your should or clothes.
Yeah, I have my doubts about this one, but it does look cool.
I don’t play this game. As much as I want to get one of these starters the infantry are just way too tiny for me to paint.
That being said, I still watch all these videos. I love your commentary on the vehicles and overall historical info. Keep up the good work.
Glad you like it. Watch enough of them and I start repeating myself!
I hope that You reviev second one too
Already in the works mate, fear ye not!
Which starter box is best for a new starter who also wants to get into Chain of Command when there are no preferences regarding factions? Hit the beach or Stalingrad?
Hit the beach is probably better overall for range of options.
I know i'm a bit late on this, the other barrel is for the ZIS2 50mm but why would you model it rather than the ZIS3, it's why I love the SU-76. BTW "I am not a number, I am a free man!" I have the same No 6 pin, bought in Portmeirion. "Be seeing you"
I think you are the first person to notice - love the series. Be seeing you.
bought this and kursk for the youth group, can both sets be merged together for bigger battles?
Certainly can. Be advised the forces might be a bit unequal, these early period soviets are often very cheap units.
so im late to the video but panzergrenadiers had 2 MGs per squad
Even early on?
@@ModellingforAdvantage thats the thing every bit of research i have done never shows panzergrenadier unit organization till 1944. i believe until 44 they were organized like regular infantry as a 9 man squad. i cant find documentation of anything else. it could also be that when the organization was upgraded to the 2 mg system in 44 they disposed of the old documents because it wasnt relevant anymore. its a mess. which is a sentiment that my collage history prof also shared with me when we discussed this same topic years ago. i wish i could of found a source to give you sorry.
Oh snap James Workshop appears?! Very curious why he disappears a lot.
We are all working people, but I try to get James in for all the Soviet stuff if possible.
"Inflation" will ensure prices keep going up. Rest assured.
Oh for sure, but this particualr set has risen significantly in the past 3 years.