I have myself had this same problem with the Fw-190. You read stories about things like the Nowotny Schwarme, Emil Lange setting the Ace in a Day record of all time, and the sheer panic caused by the 190 in 1942... and then you get into a fight with a mustang where you have no advantage except roll rate and you wonder what the historical reputation was all about. The P-47 in IL-2 is purely a victim of the fact that engagements in that game take place at a bizarrely low altitude, which pretty much strips the thunderbolt of all of its advantages.
Exactly, the same thing is happen in War Thunder, where most engagements are at low altitudes, and you must use high speed tactics to get results. Also, ive almost any time outspeed german planes at low alt, but is necessary to keep high speed, energy and quite distance at fight to have time to accelerate, cause like in real tests maded between P-47 and Fw-190 , Jug get higher speed over FW, but in longer time, like was visible in this movie. And my plane was trimmed -10% nose down.
Have you tried IL2 1946? Have a look on Fishhy youtube channel He flies missions at high altitude and has a lot of fun with his friends, flying both Allied and German aircraft plus odd times Japanese aircraft.
on il2 german planes is ace maker, there is no effort nearly required for out turn, out climb, out speed, even when you fighting a plane wich should be better on turn climb or energy easily 109 and some 190 can be push to perform better then should.
@@chae_shoko I don't know if that's true. If you look at server stats, planes like the Tempest and P-51 tend to be near the top in K/D ratio. The 109 K-4 is up there, but the more ordinary G-14s and G-6s are middle of the pack. 190s do kind of badly, except for the D-9 which still loses to the P-51 consistently in these rankings.
I wish IL2 had a "reactivity" setting like MSFS does. That might be the most useful joystick setting for flight siming in a long time. In IL2 the Stang and the P47 feel almost exactly the same with some obvious artificial tweaks.
My main complaint about the p47s modelling in IL2 is its guns. Seem to lack the damage, and in particular the incendiary component they were known for. I have also an issue with the fragility of the engine. P47 engines were known to bring the plane back to base with 3 missing cylinders . It seems a 7.62 to the engine will seize the engine within no more than a minute. The engine seizes way too easily from damage compared to other inlines (and radials for that matter)
Excellent points and I'm definitely a P47 advocate the biggest point is knowing your strengths and don't play with your opponents strengths. Good video
Really good presentation... learned something and one rare case where background music didn't make me click off and out right away and forget the video.. simpler than messing with volume control through out the video... good narration skills , choice of words and pleasant voice,,,, I'm back here and subbed for sure. (vintage aircraft enthusiast }
I appreciate the comment and the sub. I worked really hard on the audio mixing to try and strike that balance as I grew up watching documentaries about warbirds that had a good musical score to back the narration so I wanted to emulate that. I have a host of other idea's for future video's and hopefully I will only get better as I get more practice narrating. Thanks again.
Very interresting movie. Many thanks for sharing👍 What would be very interresting to see for me is the best defensive manouvers of de different planes in WWII
Great video! The P-47D is the only plane I struggle with in IL-2; for some reason I can’t make as tight turns as any other plane, and as such almost always drop out of the sky… that’s why I searched out and found your video. Do you have any tips for me? You seemed to handle the plane so well :)
@@lpcoolee honestly a big help is a force feedback joystick or a force feedback seat pad. So you can feel the onset of the stall and adjust your rudder input to compensate and get a nice tight turn. Best investment you can make for a difficult to handle beast like the jug.
@@BlueMax109 thanks for the reply! Funny thing, I've just wired up my NRL feedback chair to IL-2, and tried out the MC.202, and couldn't believe how I caught the imminent failure to fall out of the sky due to over cooking the turn (just before the failure). I never thought of the P-47D. Guess I'll give it a go :) - thanks again dude! Awesome video btw
I love the Jug. I've had it to 590 in a shallow dive with the engine wide open, which it loves. Gotta be careful to let the speed build, not too steep or too shallow. But ain't nothing but a jet can catch you,
Great analysis! iL2 has got it as right as can be in terms of Warbird handling and performance. While I fly DCS too, it’s got a long way to go to match the level of detail interns of the flight models employed by iL2 GB. Keep up the great work!
Interesting video and approprite reaction to the initial post on the previous video. I'd be curious to know which planes you have the most problems with in overcoming your confirmation bias (i.e. what are you personal favorites).
Without the requisite energy to climb I would have been eaten for breakfast by the butcher birds who had altitude. Climbing would have been certain death.
@@klupeeteable watch this, bloke does very well in the P47 vs 109 K4. I'm in the K4 but you can see the principles in action. th-cam.com/video/JK6d3_bRnBM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=m9TktGWCaDLHBd0Q
I have myself had this same problem with the Fw-190. You read stories about things like the Nowotny Schwarme, Emil Lange setting the Ace in a Day record of all time, and the sheer panic caused by the 190 in 1942... and then you get into a fight with a mustang where you have no advantage except roll rate and you wonder what the historical reputation was all about.
The P-47 in IL-2 is purely a victim of the fact that engagements in that game take place at a bizarrely low altitude, which pretty much strips the thunderbolt of all of its advantages.
Exactly, the same thing is happen in War Thunder, where most engagements are at low altitudes, and you must use high speed tactics to get results. Also, ive almost any time outspeed german planes at low alt, but is necessary to keep high speed, energy and quite distance at fight to have time to accelerate, cause like in real tests maded between P-47 and Fw-190 , Jug get higher speed over FW, but in longer time, like was visible in this movie. And my plane was trimmed -10% nose down.
Have you tried IL2 1946? Have a look on Fishhy youtube channel He flies missions at high altitude and has a lot of fun with his friends, flying both Allied and German aircraft plus odd times Japanese aircraft.
Really? I found the D9 to be a beast of plane, easily one of the best fighters in il2
on il2 german planes is ace maker, there is no effort nearly required for out turn, out climb, out speed, even when you fighting a plane wich should be better on turn climb or energy easily 109 and some 190 can be push to perform better then should.
@@chae_shoko I don't know if that's true. If you look at server stats, planes like the Tempest and P-51 tend to be near the top in K/D ratio. The 109 K-4 is up there, but the more ordinary G-14s and G-6s are middle of the pack. 190s do kind of badly, except for the D-9 which still loses to the P-51 consistently in these rankings.
I wish IL2 had a "reactivity" setting like MSFS does. That might be the most useful joystick setting for flight siming in a long time. In IL2 the Stang and the P47 feel almost exactly the same with some obvious artificial tweaks.
Last year - I stumbled over your tribute video for Hans Dortenmann. Since than, allways a joy to see your work. Keep it up
That's my most viewed video! Fun fact. I did it all in one take cause I didn't know how to edit properly then
My two favorite ww2 planes, the P47 Thunderbolt, & the Focke-Wulf 190, compared to other planes, both planes actually have a lot in common…
My main complaint about the p47s modelling in IL2 is its guns. Seem to lack the damage, and in particular the incendiary component they were known for.
I have also an issue with the fragility of the engine. P47 engines were known to bring the plane back to base with 3 missing cylinders . It seems a 7.62 to the engine will seize the engine within no more than a minute. The engine seizes way too easily from damage compared to other inlines (and radials for that matter)
Excellent points and I'm definitely a P47 advocate the biggest point is knowing your strengths and don't play with your opponents strengths. Good video
Awesome work! You only increase my yearning for this game
I was thinking of doing a video of how to build a PC that can play the game nicely cheaply actually
@@BlueMax109 that'd be great. I already have a pc capable of supporting it, but it would be pretty helpful
Really good presentation... learned something and one rare case where background music didn't make me click off and out right away and forget the video.. simpler than messing with volume control through out the video... good narration skills , choice of words and pleasant voice,,,, I'm back here and subbed for sure. (vintage aircraft enthusiast }
I appreciate the comment and the sub. I worked really hard on the audio mixing to try and strike that balance as I grew up watching documentaries about warbirds that had a good musical score to back the narration so I wanted to emulate that.
I have a host of other idea's for future video's and hopefully I will only get better as I get more practice narrating. Thanks again.
Very nice indeed! your narration was excellent! please reverse the situation and climb into the 190A for a look to see its strong points vs 47
Absolutely will be done but I have something I think you'll enjoy even more for the next one 😉
Nice narration and interesting content. Thanks for the video!!
Fantastic video mate, really well done. Loved the explanations and editing. Have my sub.
Thanks so much for watching and subbing. I appreciate it.
This is fantastic. please make more!!!
I really liked your narration here. Which server do you play on?
Very interresting movie. Many thanks for sharing👍
What would be very interresting to see for me is the best defensive manouvers of de different planes in WWII
Great video!
The P-47D is the only plane I struggle with in IL-2; for some reason I can’t make as tight turns as any other plane, and as such almost always drop out of the sky… that’s why I searched out and found your video. Do you have any tips for me? You seemed to handle the plane so well :)
@@lpcoolee honestly a big help is a force feedback joystick or a force feedback seat pad. So you can feel the onset of the stall and adjust your rudder input to compensate and get a nice tight turn. Best investment you can make for a difficult to handle beast like the jug.
@@BlueMax109 thanks for the reply! Funny thing, I've just wired up my NRL feedback chair to IL-2, and tried out the MC.202, and couldn't believe how I caught the imminent failure to fall out of the sky due to over cooking the turn (just before the failure).
I never thought of the P-47D. Guess I'll give it a go :) - thanks again dude! Awesome video btw
I love the Jug. I've had it to 590 in a shallow dive with the engine wide open, which it loves.
Gotta be careful to let the speed build, not too steep or too shallow.
But ain't nothing but a jet can catch you,
subbed, excited for more great videos!
Great analysis! iL2 has got it as right as can be in terms of Warbird handling and performance. While I fly DCS too, it’s got a long way to go to match the level of detail interns of the flight models employed by iL2 GB.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks for viewing and commenting
@@BlueMax109 your welcome! Great content (I’ve subscribed) as it’s great to see iL2 used as a historical teaching aid! 😃
@@WW2Wayfinder appreciate the support 🙏
Interesting video and approprite reaction to the initial post on the previous video. I'd be curious to know which planes you have the most problems with in overcoming your confirmation bias (i.e. what are you personal favorites).
I have plans to do just that but have a couple of other projects to complete first. Thanks for commenting
Nice video. Thanks
6:03 would it have been better to climb here? With the p47 being faster at high alt. Newish pilot
Without the requisite energy to climb I would have been eaten for breakfast by the butcher birds who had altitude. Climbing would have been certain death.
nice video,, only online against humans its a bit different than a IA mission in the game.
@@klupeeteable watch this, bloke does very well in the P47 vs 109 K4. I'm in the K4 but you can see the principles in action.
th-cam.com/video/JK6d3_bRnBM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=m9TktGWCaDLHBd0Q
>>------------------------> Enjoyed this!
Lose the sappy crappy muzak please.