Climb rate on the 262 might not be anything amazing compared to the opposition it's the speed that it's ideal climb rate is at, around 475kph compared to prop planes 290-300kph, granted as you said that isn't that fast for planes diving down on you, but I usually level out and do my hunting at 2km rather then at 3-5km that i do in prop planes. that climb speed makes sneaking up from underneath of them a valid tactic.
@@het61yt I would say that the A8 takes considerably more skill on the part of the pilot to be competitive. A8 is kinda like the modern day F-18 super hornet. Good at everything, just not the best at anything in particular. A jack of all trades if you will.
@@iflycentral Now i'm the one triggered. F/A 18 is way better then peope give it credit for. It is a jack of all trades, but people underestimate it's air superiority capability. Also Tomcats suck.
Hey there. Nice videos you made of the pros and cons of Allied and Luftwaffe aircraft on IL-2. I like them. Just a question: Any chance for a video of the pros and cons of Soviet and Italian aircraft from IL-2?
The D-9 performs better at lower altitude as the supercharger is optimised to mid and lower altitudes. Hence why the D-9 is better performing in the standard simulation enviroment where fights happen below 6k.
The Dora isn't "maybe" slower than the Anton in terms of roll rate, it definitely is slower. If there's one thing I do not like about the Dora, it's how sluggish it felt against the Anton. Makes me wish we got the A-9, or hopefully a more realistic simulation of the radios/communications so we can really appreciate how much of a workhorse the Anton is.
You mention something I felt in the game - that the G14 maneuvers better than the K4. I haven't seen any definitive stats on maneuvering and turn rate of the G14 vs K4 in the game, but the G14 certainly "felt" better maneuvering to me. I also prefer the smaller caliber, but higher ammo count cannon on the G14. I love the engine and power on the K4, but for dogfighting, the G14 feels better to me. Are there any definitive stats yet comparing maneuvering and turn rate of the G14 compared to the K4?
It's sad that the D9 has such a strong performance drop off on cold weather maps......Well thats not quite true, but it does not gain perfomance on cold maps like other prop planes do. As a result It's top speed is about the same as a G14 on those maps
@@SheriffsSimShack Yeah i know for some reason having the rad system open 100% on cold maps increases your overall top speed but it doesn't seem to work for overall performance. The manifold pressure is about 0.1 - 0.2 lower on all altitudes for the most part.
This was a great vid sherrif, but I need to ask what your pc specs are and what performance you typically get out of them. Wanna know how well I'll be able to run this is all
My 2 favourites are the 262 and Kurfurst. The 262, once mastered is awesome. For some real fun load up with R4M and strafe some ground targets. Play it back from the target/ground view and see how terrifying an Me262 attack would have been in the ATG role. The Kurfurst is just the ultimate refinement of what is a fine airgraft in all its itereations in the game. From E7 to K4, this is a true pilots aeroplane. The 30mm cannon firing through the engine crankcase makes sniping at standoff ranges possible. I took out an La5FN from 1000m with 3 rounds. This is how steady a gun platform the K4 is. It can also do 360 deg pretty quickly without losing much speed or height.
You are a rock star on the history and model differences. I know most of everything you are saying so hearing you correctly assess plane vs plane aspects is fabulous. Well done!
Hey sherriff I finally built a computer bought the game and got a Hotas stick can u please do a vid on controller set up. I cant get any plane to turn without it tumbling out of control nor figure out to set up trims to get the plane flying normal in level flight super frustrating
The biggest mistake new guys make when piloting sim aircraft is to use 'exaggerated', aggressive control inputs. So you tend to jerk and yank on the control column rather than apply smooth 'pressure', in the direction you want the aircraft to go. You can adjust the control inputs to an extent via in-game settings but for the most part this is unnecessary. One approach that can help is to take a 'low grip' on the stick when you're just starting out. Typically, your inputs should be almost imperceptible to an observer and continuous, just one long movement rather than lots of individual movements.
Very true. The story of the G10s they sold/exchanged to Switzerland for interned aircraft in 1944 emphasises this. The Swiss flew Emils bought in 1939, but these were getting somewhat obsolete. But the build quality was of concern and they had to bring their Emils back out of storage as the Gustavs were not reliable enough. This Swiss government pursued Messerschmitt through German courts and this was not settled until 1956 with Messerschmitt AG refunding them the money. I also once sat in the cockpit of an HE162 Salamander. A cheap and disposal wooden jet fighter, basically a glider with a BMW003 engine on its back. Very shonky and rough as a badgers arse.
the biggest con for me is, that all 4 games are seperated and each of them still cost 50 bucks for a standart version even years later. why not put them all together in one game? i rather would play Cliffs of Dover again. but the Team Fusion Mod, which improves the realism of the game, is a must have.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN i did not encountered any bugs. not even one crash to desktop or something like that. try to reinstall the game. dump all related files and folders manually before. or do you use computer hardware that is older than 2011 when CloD was released?
@@Gute_Laune_Goy No. Its just over 2 years old, high spec processor, graphics card, everything, loads of DDR4 RAM but it is still a poor performer. I have completely uninstalled and re-installed it via Steam and it is not running as it should. Graphics are poor. Settings keep reverting to defaults and it freezes from time to time. Aircraft handling is jerky one minute, then sluggish the next. I also have no gunsight reticles, and no tinkering with settings makes any difference.
@@SheriffsSimShack You said it was the first operational jet. The first operational jet was made by Heinkel, He 178 if I remember right. The 262 was the first mass produced jet. Have a great day btw!
@@Entity282 you too. But you are wrong. The me 262 was the first. and the definition of operational is "in use". The heinkel wasnt used, so not operational.
@@Entity282 He178 wasn't 'operational' - it was essentially a technology demonstrator and not a practical design for a combat aircraft. Even the He280 was little better, it's performance not much of an improvement on current piston engine designs. The Italians also flew a ducted fan high bypass compressor in 1940 with a crude afterburner, the Caproni Campini N1. It was ponderously slow, had a low service ceiling of only 15,000ft, drank prodigious quantities of fuel and the latent heat from the engine would cook the pilot unless he flew with the canopy open! But an interesting concept none the less. Jet engines had been tested as early as 1918, but none were economical or gave any useful advantages the early 1940s.
@@SheriffsSimShack I just see it like follows: The allied side gets planes of a certain technological level. The axis side developed planes that were meant to counter those planes and achieve technological parity again. That they were not able to build and fly enough of those due to reasons that had nothing to do with those new designs directly, should be of secondary importance in a game that seeks balancing. What I mean is, in the game both sides are supposed to be balanced and equal, no matter when in the war the currently played battle took place. To achieve that you kind of have to treat it as if the fighting forces would still have been equal at that time. If you'd want to make it totally realistic, I suppose you'd have to make the game tell players: "Sorry, you can't play on the German side in this campaign/battle today, because Germany didn't have enough fuel to get that many aircraft in the air and we need to have 5 times as many Allied planes as German ones to make it realistic." My point being that realism has to be curbed anyways to make the game playable and fun. In late war battles having a plane in the air that only existed in small numbers would still make sense, because every German plane, even the 109 G-14 or K-4 was only active in small numbers at that time and 20 D-11/12/13s or 44 Ta-152 would suddenly realistically have made a significant percentage of all the German planes still active. Of course it would only be fair to give the Allies planes that have only been used in small numbers towards the end of the war too, like the Griffon Spitfires or the Bearcat.
@TrangleC IL-2 does not strive for balance when its about technical details and plane availability. There is no plane in the game to counter plane X of the other side. The sim does not care about material shortages, or man power etc. G-14s and K-4s were standard LW planes and build in large numbers.
There are more. There are 10 Aircraft per Game. Making it 40 Aircraft for all of them + 5 extra non game bound planes. More of you want to count the 1 World War planes, which I dont do, since those arent flyling together with the rest usually. The aircraft here in the video are only from the last game released. Currently they release new games every ~two years, but they all run in the same game client so all planes and players can fly together.
@@SheriffsSimShack so they are like DLC packs. Do all games use same maps? I may have to look into IL2 again. DCS is taking a long time getting all the important WW2 planes in game. And plane spotting is much harder in DCS.
This was fun to watch. It ended too soon, I wanted to hear more on anti-Allied tactics.
Subbed, cool video.
Thanks for the sub!
Climb rate on the 262 might not be anything amazing compared to the opposition it's the speed that it's ideal climb rate is at, around 475kph compared to prop planes 290-300kph,
granted as you said that isn't that fast for planes diving down on you, but I usually level out and do my hunting at 2km rather then at 3-5km that i do in prop planes.
that climb speed makes sneaking up from underneath of them a valid tactic.
Plus you can always zoom climb once you're all wound up and have some go under you
Now this makes me want in depth guides on these planes
Sheriff - "A8 is not competitive as a fighter against the opposition."
Central - TRIGGERED! :P
Ehhh It's like saying the I-16 is not competitive against F4s. Technicaly true, but there are caveats
@@het61yt I would say that the A8 takes considerably more skill on the part of the pilot to be competitive. A8 is kinda like the modern day F-18 super hornet. Good at everything, just not the best at anything in particular. A jack of all trades if you will.
LMAO
@@iflycentral Now i'm the one triggered. F/A 18 is way better then peope give it credit for. It is a jack of all trades, but people underestimate it's air superiority capability.
Also Tomcats suck.
@@het61yt Hehehe. Now you see what I'm getting at. :P
Am I the only one who had to check if my mouse was working at 2:30?
To be worth flying the A-8 we'd need B-17's in-game or at least flyable medium bombers like the b-25
Hey there. Nice videos you made of the pros and cons of Allied and Luftwaffe aircraft on IL-2. I like them.
Just a question: Any chance for a video of the pros and cons of Soviet and Italian aircraft from IL-2?
D-9
The D-9 performs better at lower altitude as the supercharger is optimised to mid and lower altitudes. Hence why the D-9 is better performing in the standard simulation enviroment where fights happen below 6k.
@@SheriffsSimShack Yeah that makes sense, keep up the good flying.
The Dora isn't "maybe" slower than the Anton in terms of roll rate, it definitely is slower. If there's one thing I do not like about the Dora, it's how sluggish it felt against the Anton.
Makes me wish we got the A-9, or hopefully a more realistic simulation of the radios/communications so we can really appreciate how much of a workhorse the Anton is.
You mention something I felt in the game - that the G14 maneuvers better than the K4. I haven't seen any definitive stats on maneuvering and turn rate of the G14 vs K4 in the game, but the G14 certainly "felt" better maneuvering to me. I also prefer the smaller caliber, but higher ammo count cannon on the G14. I love the engine and power on the K4, but for dogfighting, the G14 feels better to me. Are there any definitive stats yet comparing maneuvering and turn rate of the G14 compared to the K4?
Not sure if you can find definitive stats but the K-4 is a couple of hundred kg heavier than the G-14. Due to some changes made to the fuselage
@@DerKurfuerst I find the K4 to be an excellent gunnery platform
In the 190 A8s defense It does feel really good to light someone up with it. Pieces of allied plane shredding off everywhere.
Yeah, Sheriff mentioned that in the video...................
It's sad that the D9 has such a strong performance drop off on cold weather maps......Well thats not quite true, but it does not gain perfomance on cold maps like other prop planes do. As a result It's top speed is about the same as a G14 on those maps
You can open your radiator a bit and gain speed. But I havent measured the difference.
@@SheriffsSimShack Yeah i know for some reason having the rad system open 100% on cold maps increases your overall top speed but it doesn't seem to work for overall performance. The manifold pressure is about 0.1 - 0.2 lower on all altitudes for the most part.
@@het61yt interesting why is that
5:60 long video to understand that German planes are the best ones... Thanks i knew it! :)
This was a great vid sherrif, but I need to ask what your pc specs are and what performance you typically get out of them. Wanna know how well I'll be able to run this is all
My 2 favourites are the 262 and Kurfurst. The 262, once mastered is awesome. For some real fun load up with R4M and strafe some ground targets. Play it back from the target/ground view and see how terrifying an Me262 attack would have been in the ATG role.
The Kurfurst is just the ultimate refinement of what is a fine airgraft in all its itereations in the game. From E7 to K4, this is a true pilots aeroplane. The 30mm cannon firing through the engine crankcase makes sniping at standoff ranges possible. I took out an La5FN from 1000m with 3 rounds. This is how steady a gun platform the K4 is. It can also do 360 deg pretty quickly without losing much speed or height.
Couldn’t agree more. The 109 is an artist’s weapon
So basically the Dora is best Bodenplatte German prop plane?
Maybe the best plane period from what I watched in this video.
Fockewulf is the real sigma plane
Great video as always. Looking forward to more detailed aircraft guides in the future. :)
You are a rock star on the history and model differences. I know most of everything you are saying so hearing you correctly assess plane vs plane aspects is fabulous. Well done!
Loved it! Great Vid! I was wondering how the dora compares to the Griffon Spitfire. Could someone maybe clarify? Thanks
Thanks Sheriff, I needed this :)
Dora ❤ and if Great Battles had a He219 to hunt at night she would get a heart as well.
Just a question how do you have such smooth head movements
its not VR it's likely track IR or a mouse
Curves in the profile set up.
Hey sherriff I finally built a computer bought the game and got a Hotas stick can u please do a vid on controller set up. I cant get any plane to turn without it tumbling out of control nor figure out to set up trims to get the plane flying normal in level flight super frustrating
The biggest mistake new guys make when piloting sim aircraft is to use 'exaggerated', aggressive control inputs. So you tend to jerk and yank on the control column rather than apply smooth 'pressure', in the direction you want the aircraft to go. You can adjust the control inputs to an extent via in-game settings but for the most part this is unnecessary. One approach that can help is to take a 'low grip' on the stick when you're just starting out. Typically, your inputs should be almost imperceptible to an observer and continuous, just one long movement rather than lots of individual movements.
I'm not going to lie, this video makes me think the German aircraft are more superior than any aircraft the Allies can throw at them.
nah, watch the allied video too
u sir are a god,really helping me alot please keep them coming
velocity is low not slow
I wonder to what extent Luftwaffe planes were able to achieve their theoretical performance, I know they had quality issues late in the war.
That can't be answered quantitatively. But there are documents of the engineers complaining about bad build quality. But no chance to tell specifics
Very true. The story of the G10s they sold/exchanged to Switzerland for interned aircraft in 1944 emphasises this. The Swiss flew Emils bought in 1939, but these were getting somewhat obsolete. But the build quality was of concern and they had to bring their Emils back out of storage as the Gustavs were not reliable enough. This Swiss government pursued Messerschmitt through German courts and this was not settled until 1956 with Messerschmitt AG refunding them the money.
I also once sat in the cockpit of an HE162 Salamander. A cheap and disposal wooden jet fighter, basically a glider with a BMW003 engine on its back. Very shonky and rough as a badgers arse.
A nice little overview, thank you!
But you can do detailed guide or problemtic
yes, but later. I have not a whole lot of time at my hands right now.
the biggest con for me is, that all 4 games are seperated and each of them still cost 50 bucks for a standart version even years later. why not put them all together in one game?
i rather would play Cliffs of Dover again. but the Team Fusion Mod, which improves the realism of the game, is a must have.
They go so often on sale. And thenyou get all games except the latest for the price of one full priced game. Premium versions that ia
@@SheriffsSimShack ok i'll keep an eye on it.
I still can't get CloD to work. I have given up. Still too many bugs. But BoS worked straight of the box without a single issue.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN i did not encountered any bugs. not even one crash to desktop or something like that. try to reinstall the game. dump all related files and folders manually before. or do you use computer hardware that is older than 2011 when CloD was released?
@@Gute_Laune_Goy No. Its just over 2 years old, high spec processor, graphics card, everything, loads of DDR4 RAM but it is still a poor performer. I have completely uninstalled and re-installed it via Steam and it is not running as it should. Graphics are poor. Settings keep reverting to defaults and it freezes from time to time. Aircraft handling is jerky one minute, then sluggish the next. I also have no gunsight reticles, and no tinkering with settings makes any difference.
Lovely! Thank you
Good video, but the 262 is the first production jet plane, not the completely first jet :D
thats exactly what I said.
@@SheriffsSimShack You said it was the first operational jet. The first operational jet was made by Heinkel, He 178 if I remember right. The 262 was the first mass produced jet. Have a great day btw!
@@Entity282 you too. But you are wrong. The me 262 was the first. and the definition of operational is "in use".
The heinkel wasnt used, so not operational.
@@SheriffsSimShack Thank you, in the end, it was an understanding error…
@@Entity282 He178 wasn't 'operational' - it was essentially a technology demonstrator and not a practical design for a combat aircraft. Even the He280 was little better, it's performance not much of an improvement on current piston engine designs.
The Italians also flew a ducted fan high bypass compressor in 1940 with a crude afterburner, the Caproni Campini N1. It was ponderously slow, had a low service ceiling of only 15,000ft, drank prodigious quantities of fuel and the latent heat from the engine would cook the pilot unless he flew with the canopy open! But an interesting concept none the less. Jet engines had been tested as early as 1918, but none were economical or gave any useful advantages the early 1940s.
Are there any plans to put the 190 D-12 or D-13 into the game?
I am not a dev. I haven't heard from any plans. That said both planes were very very rare
@@SheriffsSimShack Yes, I just thought maybe someone here knows something.
Rare? So was the Me 262, right?
The Ta 152 would be cool too.
The Me262 wss build in the hundreds. The d12 and 13 maybe a dozen
@@SheriffsSimShack I just see it like follows: The allied side gets planes of a certain technological level. The axis side developed planes that were meant to counter those planes and achieve technological parity again. That they were not able to build and fly enough of those due to reasons that had nothing to do with those new designs directly, should be of secondary importance in a game that seeks balancing.
What I mean is, in the game both sides are supposed to be balanced and equal, no matter when in the war the currently played battle took place. To achieve that you kind of have to treat it as if the fighting forces would still have been equal at that time.
If you'd want to make it totally realistic, I suppose you'd have to make the game tell players: "Sorry, you can't play on the German side in this campaign/battle today, because Germany didn't have enough fuel to get that many aircraft in the air and we need to have 5 times as many Allied planes as German ones to make it realistic."
My point being that realism has to be curbed anyways to make the game playable and fun.
In late war battles having a plane in the air that only existed in small numbers would still make sense, because every German plane, even the 109 G-14 or K-4 was only active in small numbers at that time and 20 D-11/12/13s or 44 Ta-152 would suddenly realistically have made a significant percentage of all the German planes still active.
Of course it would only be fair to give the Allies planes that have only been used in small numbers towards the end of the war too, like the Griffon Spitfires or the Bearcat.
@TrangleC IL-2 does not strive for balance when its about technical details and plane availability. There is no plane in the game to counter plane X of the other side.
The sim does not care about material shortages, or man power etc.
G-14s and K-4s were standard LW planes and build in large numbers.
I LOVED THIS!!!! MORE MORE MORE!!!!
No joke man, buy yourself a VR! Index or so, I play this game in VR only! Its so imersive! I really love this game, since then!
Is that seriously all the planes in IL2 anymore? What happened to IL2? I remember growing up with that game and flying seemingly hundreds of planes.
There are more. There are 10 Aircraft per Game. Making it 40 Aircraft for all of them + 5 extra non game bound planes.
More of you want to count the 1 World War planes, which I dont do, since those arent flyling together with the rest usually.
The aircraft here in the video are only from the last game released.
Currently they release new games every ~two years, but they all run in the same game client so all planes and players can fly together.
@@SheriffsSimShack so they are like DLC packs. Do all games use same maps? I may have to look into IL2 again. DCS is taking a long time getting all the important WW2 planes in game. And plane spotting is much harder in DCS.
@@Power5 with each DLC/Game you get a new map. And all players can fly on every map regardless of owned DLC.
@@SheriffsSimShack is battle of bodenplatte more graphically intensive as battle of stalingrad?
@@charlee2470 the map, yes.
The title is misleading.
The video actually covers a _limited_ set of pure fighter aircraft only.
Bodenplatte. Like it is in the title and only lw. Like in the title
@@SheriffsSimShack Thanks for clarification