Thank you sir. The future of Cristianity is Unitarian. These teaching have surged through wisdom and perished by shaming those who believe in them as "heretics" again and again. But truth always surfaces because it is permanently written and always will be.
Thank you. It is important that people understand the consequences of following the doctrine of man instead of the doctrine of Christ!! Making the Messiah out to be God is Idolatry. Please, trinitarians, read your Bible. Put aside your presupposition that Christ is God and read your Bible. Ask God for understanding as you read, and He will reveal the truth to you!!
Pray for me and my family please my brother and I have been studying God's word and are now starting to leave the doctrine of the Trinity! And it has been difficult!
Brother I hope you will also come to know that Jesus being the second Adam he came to undo what the first Adam did. If you believe Jesus died for you and God raised him from the dead on the third day you will be saved. God bless you brother.
Never quite understood the importance underpinning the debate versus unity and trinity. I suppose you made a good point in regards to the importance of reason in christianity. Mysteries not only hinder reasoning, but also create a reliance upon tradition (in the catholic sense) and distances us from the Scriptures. Furthermore, I believe in the protestant notion of Sola Scriptura and I can't wrap my head around doctrines that have no basis in scriptures.
Your comment here reminded me of what I heard from a Baptist pastor in my town a couple years ago. He was attempting to teach the congregation and show where in the scriptures the doctrine of the trinity is supported. In the process, he also said that the concept of sola scriptura includes reliance and trust in the teachings and doctrines passed down by those they call the "church fathers". He made a point of saying he doesn't hold to "nuda scriptura", which would be "just the scriptures", and that "sola scriptura" meant that everything worth believing is rooted in only the scriptures. I thought, "Welp, I guess I'm more about nuda scriptura than sola scriptura, then." Strange thing to find out.
Abraham said Issac Was his ONLY BEGOTTEN son. Obviously it has nothing to do with DNA.as Ishmael was his first born. It simply means he was THE CHOSEN SON OF PROMISE!!!!
100% agree especially with the 'knowing God' portion. There is indeed 1 God, and He did not commit suicide (modalism) nor does He exist in 3 completely separate persons who can exist in 3 places at once and be prayed to 3 separate ways, while somehow retaining their montheistic attribute. I have painstakingly read the Old Testament and the New, and the only true argument for Jesus being God would actually be the 'son of man riding on clouds' quote from Daniel 7 and Matthew, comparing that to Deut 33. However, what it ignores is that Daniel himself says that said 'son of man' goes to the throne of the Almighty and Ancient of Days. meaning he himself is not the almighty nor ancient of days. Jesus said he is this son of man from prophecy, he said he was son of god. he did not say he is the one God. When the jewish students ask him the most important commandment, he immediately recites "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE!"
Duet 6:4 Hebrew text says... 4 Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone! 5 Therefore you are to love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
My question is this Matthew 17:5 Who spoke those words, Jesus or someone else? Surely it was not Jesus but God His Father who spoke. This is confirmed by the following words of Peter, who was one of the disciples who were with Jesus on that occasion: “For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.’ And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain” (2 Peter 1:17-18
Sir in researching Mt 28,19 i saw a site that list 60 NT that have the short version of 28, 19 the trinity formula not included, i saw your face and i assume you NT version, but now I can't find it can you point it out to me thanks
is the unitarian church accepting homosexuality? they got Jesus's identity right but I can't accept homosexuality as normal. I love the people but not the act.
You are referring to Rom.3 I presume. In verse 25 it explains that God set forth Jesus as propitiation and declares Jesus righteous. Hebrews tells us Jesus upheld Gods word and loved righteousness and hated lawlessness and therefore God exalted Him and anointed Him as King.
It's not literally God on the Cross.. The son of God is on the Cross do you think if you pierce the beloved of GOD HE DOESN'T FEEL ANYTHING? ITS LIKE THAT GOD HIMSELF IS ON THE CROSS .. JUST LIKE US IF OUR CHILDREN BEAT BY OTHER PEOPLE IT SO MUCH PAIN TO US AND WE FEEL SO MUCH THE PAIN THAT ITS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE HAVE BEEN BEATEN...
Great stuff. Good arguments against the trinity. I know you don't believe in the preexistence of Christ but Revelation 3:14 says he is the "beginning" of the creation of God. Some say "beginner or ruler" of creation. That is not arche which simply means beginning.
I never even saw that scripture, I must have read right over it but it confirms what Paul said when he said “who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation.” Colossians 1:15 So, to me, this is saying Yeshua was the first of everything that was created by the Father. I don’t know how they can say they only believe the Bible but not believe Yeshua when he said ““And now, esteem Me with Yourself, Father, with the esteem which I had with You before the world was.” (John) 17:5 Clearly He is saying that He was before the World was.
Whilst I'm not Unitarian, I take an Arianist stance (meaning I believe Jesus existed in Heaven before he came to Earth, but not as God, but that he was the first creation), I have a lot of respect for your content. :) Another terrible thing I concluded about the trinity framework is that it can actually be used to say God is Satan (A Gnostic teaching). Let's say, we can advocate for Jesus being God, and any and all references to God and Jesus conversing, Jesus being his image and likeness, is some sort of "inner experience", self interaction or form of multi divine persona in some mysterious manner we do not understand, that all accounts of self worship, rescue, favour, hearing are some sort of "metaphysical" or "metaspritual" terminology on part of the NT writers, purely on the basis of Jesus and God sharing a title of "alpha and omega" and the angel claiming he has been sent by both God and Christ in Revelation (this is the only possible support for Jesus being God, all other acclaimed verses are either mistranslations or misunderstandings of the original Greek, such as the term Theos as an example). "Then *Satan* stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2 So David said to Joʹab and the chiefs of the people: “Go, count Israel from Beʹer-sheʹba to Dan; then report to me so that I may know their number.” - 1 Chronicles 21:1, 2 > "The anger of *YHVH* again blazed against Israel when he incited David against them, saying: “Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.” - 2 Samuel 24:1 “So *Satan* went out from the presence of YHVH and struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head” - Job 2:7 > "All his brothers and sisters and all his former friends came to him and ate a meal with him in his house. They sympathized with him and comforted him over all the calamity that *YHVH* had brought upon him....". - Job 42:11 I argue, through the textual lens of the Trinity, I can target the same style of passages to make my claims here that Satan is God, that despite any written individuality, conversations, seperation, interaction between the two of them, that through the verses putting them both in the same position, actions and titles, just as Jesus is called theos and is argumentation that he is God so do I state that Satan (who is also called theos) is God, who is seen to incite David and hurt Job, of which so is the Almighty God YHVH. Thus, by the language and textual rules of the Trinity framework; Satan, Jesus and YHVH, are one. As we can see, the trinity changes the meaning of the Bible’s definitions of words, and when applied to the whole Bible it falls apart, Satan becomes God, Seth becomes Adam (Genesis 5:3), the twelve Apostles become one person and also become God (John 17:21), and so on. To oppose my above claims on God being Satan, then I contest, to read the passages quoted through another lens, through the conversation of Satan speaking to God as our proof that they are not the same person, that it is "through proxy" that God "causes" or "allows" bad things to happen, for Satan to attack people, and this is the meaning of the language, and textual structure, so then do I say this lens must be applied to the verses of Jesus' conversations and interactions with God as proof of two individuals, and that these verses of Revelation likewise be seen as proxy, that the angel represents Christ, who in turn represents God, cause and effect. That the title of alpha and omega in this context, not be seen as a God-only title, but contextual, of heavenly authority, just as it is with titles of divinity and godliness. There is no textual contradiction, nor doctrinal contradiction, nor language contradiction. All things are in place as they should be, and fits into the style of the Hebrew writing as it was for thousands of years. Wholistic and logical. If a Trinitarian argues I cannot use a conversation between Jesus and God as proof of their seperation, then neither can they use the same logic for Satan and God. Everything that a trinity framework uses to defend the Godship of Jesus can be used to defend the Godship of Satan, and 'that' my brothers, is dangerous.
Have you guys read the book James the Brother of Jesus by Prof. Butz? Fascinating book about how the apostles upheld the Law and did not believe in divinity of Jesus. And were at odds with Paul
Damn, I thought I was the few that only believed this Trinity shit makes no sense Jesus does said himself the father is greater than him and he said I am not Good only the Father. He also said don't worship me but the father.
No that is modalism. Biblical unitarians believe that Jesus is the promised messiah. The image of God. A glorified human being. He bears the character, glory and power of our Father. No longer just a living soul, but a bodily raised life giving Spirit. In other words, a glorified man. The first one of many to come.
Yes! Just like every other son and daughter born of his Spirit is the manesfesation of the father! When people see us, they should see the father just like they did/do with his firstborn Son.
We believe he is a man approved of by God. His only begotten Son. The image of the invisible God. He is what God would be like if He was a Man. But He is not a Man. Christ Jesus is a man and the greatest man to ever live.
I know I'm late, brother, but if you're able to see this comment and you still need help understanding, I have found that reading the expanded Bible (EXB) is very helpful, it is a version similar to NIV so it's easier to understand, but it also has extra explanations of certain words, and several different meanings a certain word can have, and also relevance of the customs of the times different books were written to explain why people did what they did at that time. I read the EXB on biblegateway.com for free. I really hope you see this brother, or at the very least this could help someone else who reads this. Peace be to you & God bless!
I love this guy. There’s only ONE God.
Thank you sir. The future of Cristianity is Unitarian. These teaching have surged through wisdom and perished by shaming those who believe in them as "heretics" again and again. But truth always surfaces because it is permanently written and always will be.
I pray that Yahweh through his holy spirit brings rise to biblical unitarianism and make it flourish till the day of resurrection
Thank you. It is important that people understand the consequences of following the doctrine of man instead of the doctrine of Christ!!
Making the Messiah out to be God is Idolatry. Please, trinitarians, read your Bible. Put aside your presupposition that Christ is God and read your Bible. Ask God for understanding as you read, and He will reveal the truth to you!!
Amen
Pray for me and my family please my brother and I have been studying God's word and are now starting to leave the doctrine of the Trinity! And it has been difficult!
@@Amanda-lf5li How is it now? I just recently started studying the Bible and I have also been questioning the trinity?
As a convert to Islam, I can say that I truly believe that you are the true Christians.
Why did you leave christianity no disrespect
Brother I hope you will also come to know that Jesus being the second Adam he came to undo what the first Adam did. If you believe Jesus died for you and God raised him from the dead on the third day you will be saved. God bless you brother.
Never quite understood the importance underpinning the debate versus unity and trinity. I suppose you made a good point in regards to the importance of reason in christianity. Mysteries not only hinder reasoning, but also create a reliance upon tradition (in the catholic sense) and distances us from the Scriptures. Furthermore, I believe in the protestant notion of Sola Scriptura and I can't wrap my head around doctrines that have no basis in scriptures.
Your comment here reminded me of what I heard from a Baptist pastor in my town a couple years ago. He was attempting to teach the congregation and show where in the scriptures the doctrine of the trinity is supported. In the process, he also said that the concept of sola scriptura includes reliance and trust in the teachings and doctrines passed down by those they call the "church fathers". He made a point of saying he doesn't hold to "nuda scriptura", which would be "just the scriptures", and that "sola scriptura" meant that everything worth believing is rooted in only the scriptures. I thought, "Welp, I guess I'm more about nuda scriptura than sola scriptura, then." Strange thing to find out.
we abandon the importants of our messiah when we deny he is separate from God and could be tempted
This man speaks with wisdom.
Unitarians and Muslims have One thing in common in the Core, that both agreed there's only One and only GOD.
This is my litmus test for any biblical discussion, glad to meet you.
Abraham said Issac Was his ONLY BEGOTTEN son. Obviously it has nothing to do with DNA.as Ishmael was his first born. It simply means he was THE CHOSEN SON OF PROMISE!!!!
100% agree especially with the 'knowing God' portion. There is indeed 1 God, and He did not commit suicide (modalism) nor does He exist in 3 completely separate persons who can exist in 3 places at once and be prayed to 3 separate ways, while somehow retaining their montheistic attribute. I have painstakingly read the Old Testament and the New, and the only true argument for Jesus being God would actually be the 'son of man riding on clouds' quote from Daniel 7 and Matthew, comparing that to Deut 33. However, what it ignores is that Daniel himself says that said 'son of man' goes to the throne of the Almighty and Ancient of Days. meaning he himself is not the almighty nor ancient of days. Jesus said he is this son of man from prophecy, he said he was son of god. he did not say he is the one God. When the jewish students ask him the most important commandment, he immediately recites "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE!"
God bless you brother! Keep up the good work.
Duet 6:4 Hebrew text says...
4 Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone!
5 Therefore you are to love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
Great video thank you now I'm heading on to pt 2 of it
As long as we don't hate on each other over it, it's all swell.
My question is this Matthew 17:5 Who spoke those words, Jesus or someone else? Surely it was not Jesus but God His Father who spoke. This is confirmed by the following words of Peter, who was one of the disciples who were with Jesus on that occasion: “For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.’ And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain” (2 Peter 1:17-18
Sir in researching Mt 28,19 i saw a site that list 60 NT that have the short version of 28, 19 the trinity formula not included, i saw your face and i assume you NT version, but now I can't find it can you point it out to me thanks
Amen, good Channel!
is the unitarian church accepting homosexuality? they got Jesus's identity right but I can't accept homosexuality as normal. I love the people but not the act.
I think u are thinking of the universalist unitarian
Fantastic work the truth is the most important topic we could discuss.
You are referring to Rom.3 I presume. In verse 25 it explains that God set forth Jesus as propitiation and declares Jesus righteous.
Hebrews tells us Jesus upheld Gods word and loved righteousness and hated lawlessness and therefore God exalted Him and anointed Him as King.
It's not literally God on the Cross..
The son of God is on the Cross do you think if you pierce the beloved of GOD HE DOESN'T FEEL ANYTHING? ITS LIKE THAT GOD HIMSELF IS ON THE CROSS .. JUST LIKE US IF OUR CHILDREN BEAT BY OTHER PEOPLE IT SO MUCH PAIN TO US AND WE FEEL SO MUCH THE PAIN THAT ITS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE HAVE BEEN BEATEN...
Great stuff. Good arguments against the trinity. I know you don't believe in the preexistence of Christ but Revelation 3:14 says he is the "beginning" of the creation of God. Some say "beginner or ruler" of creation. That is not arche which simply means beginning.
It means the beginning of the second kingdom.
I never even saw that scripture, I must have read right over it but it confirms what Paul said when he said “who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation.”
Colossians 1:15
So, to me, this is saying Yeshua was the first of everything that was created by the Father.
I don’t know how they can say they only believe the Bible but not believe Yeshua when he said ““And now, esteem Me with Yourself, Father, with the esteem which I had with You before the world was.”
(John) 17:5
Clearly He is saying that He was before the World was.
Whilst I'm not Unitarian, I take an Arianist stance (meaning I believe Jesus existed in Heaven before he came to Earth, but not as God, but that he was the first creation), I have a lot of respect for your content. :)
Another terrible thing I concluded about the trinity framework is that it can actually be used to say God is Satan (A Gnostic teaching).
Let's say, we can advocate for Jesus being God, and any and all references to God and Jesus conversing, Jesus being his image and likeness, is some sort of "inner experience", self interaction or form of multi divine persona in some mysterious manner we do not understand, that all accounts of self worship, rescue, favour, hearing are some sort of "metaphysical" or "metaspritual" terminology on part of the NT writers, purely on the basis of Jesus and God sharing a title of "alpha and omega" and the angel claiming he has been sent by both God and Christ in Revelation (this is the only possible support for Jesus being God, all other acclaimed verses are either mistranslations or misunderstandings of the original Greek, such as the term Theos as an example).
"Then *Satan* stood up against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2 So David said to Joʹab and the chiefs of the people: “Go, count Israel from Beʹer-sheʹba to Dan; then report to me so that I may know their number.” - 1 Chronicles 21:1, 2 > "The anger of *YHVH* again blazed against Israel when he incited David against them, saying: “Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.” - 2 Samuel 24:1
“So *Satan* went out from the presence of YHVH and struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head” - Job 2:7 > "All his brothers and sisters and all his former friends came to him and ate a meal with him in his house. They sympathized with him and comforted him over all the calamity that *YHVH* had brought upon him....". - Job 42:11
I argue, through the textual lens of the Trinity, I can target the same style of passages to make my claims here that Satan is God, that despite any written individuality, conversations, seperation, interaction between the two of them, that through the verses putting them both in the same position, actions and titles, just as Jesus is called theos and is argumentation that he is God so do I state that Satan (who is also called theos) is God, who is seen to incite David and hurt Job, of which so is the Almighty God YHVH. Thus, by the language and textual rules of the Trinity framework; Satan, Jesus and YHVH, are one.
As we can see, the trinity changes the meaning of the Bible’s definitions of words, and when applied to the whole Bible it falls apart, Satan becomes God, Seth becomes Adam (Genesis 5:3), the twelve Apostles become one person and also become God (John 17:21), and so on.
To oppose my above claims on God being Satan, then I contest, to read the passages quoted through another lens, through the conversation of Satan speaking to God as our proof that they are not the same person, that it is "through proxy" that God "causes" or "allows" bad things to happen, for Satan to attack people, and this is the meaning of the language, and textual structure, so then do I say this lens must be applied to the verses of Jesus' conversations and interactions with God as proof of two individuals, and that these verses of Revelation likewise be seen as proxy, that the angel represents Christ, who in turn represents God, cause and effect.
That the title of alpha and omega in this context, not be seen as a God-only title, but contextual, of heavenly authority, just as it is with titles of divinity and godliness.
There is no textual contradiction, nor doctrinal contradiction, nor language contradiction. All things are in place as they should be, and fits into the style of the Hebrew writing as it was for thousands of years. Wholistic and logical.
If a Trinitarian argues I cannot use a conversation between Jesus and God as proof of their seperation, then neither can they use the same logic for Satan and God. Everything that a trinity framework uses to defend the Godship of Jesus can be used to defend the Godship of Satan, and 'that' my brothers, is dangerous.
That makes no sense whatsoever. That is a complete non sequitur. How is that verse related to your question in any way?
Why would I know God any less?
Have you guys read the book James the Brother of Jesus by Prof. Butz? Fascinating book about how the apostles upheld the Law and did not believe in divinity of Jesus. And were at odds with Paul
I have a question...did the apostles beleive he was the son of God?
terrible audio, great content
Damn, I thought I was the few that only believed this Trinity shit makes no sense Jesus does said himself the father is greater than him and he said I am not Good only the Father. He also said don't worship me but the father.
do unitarians believe Jesus is a manifestation of the only true God the Father?
No that is modalism. Biblical unitarians believe that Jesus is the promised messiah. The image of God. A glorified human being. He bears the character, glory and power of our Father. No longer just a living soul, but a bodily raised life giving Spirit. In other words, a glorified man. The first one of many to come.
Yes! Just like every other son and daughter born of his Spirit is the manesfesation of the father! When people see us, they should see the father just like they did/do with his firstborn Son.
We believe he is a man approved of by God. His only begotten Son. The image of the invisible God. He is what God would be like if He was a Man. But He is not a Man. Christ Jesus is a man and the greatest man to ever live.
Speaks Fire no. we believe Jesus is the Son of the living God. God created His Son as His image and chief representative.
All athourity was given under christ
Please get back to me on this: how do we read and understand the bible?
Ask Yahuah for understanding before you begin.
I know I'm late, brother, but if you're able to see this comment and you still need help understanding, I have found that reading the expanded Bible (EXB) is very helpful, it is a version similar to NIV so it's easier to understand, but it also has extra explanations of certain words, and several different meanings a certain word can have, and also relevance of the customs of the times different books were written to explain why people did what they did at that time. I read the EXB on biblegateway.com for free. I really hope you see this brother, or at the very least this could help someone else who reads this. Peace be to you & God bless!
I thought it was James Daane who wrote The Freedom of God. I have the book and it's one of my favorites!
Very good video thank you
yes please let me know about your view about homosexuality and how you explain it in your biblical view
Well that's easy, its wrong in God's eyes - the end