Podcast Ep. 528: Corporal Punishment and Christianity
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0:00 Intro
0:28 What I'll remember about Daniel Dennett
8:43 Catholic priest resigns after backlash involving his criticism of a gay author
24:38 Christian lawmaker says teachers should be allowed to hit special needs students
46:03 A Christian ministry urged the Supreme Court to criminalize homelessness
1:01:59 Māori atheists say Christian colonization helped push them away from the faith
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My mom always said "Isn't it funny that kids become too old to spank when they're big enough to hit back?"
If I can't spank my neighbor when they misbehave, why would I spank a child?
I’m so sick of being saturated with the Christian mythology and hypocrisy!!
City: stop being homeless it's cringe.
Homeless People : ???
Great stuff guys. Thank you.
We grew up in the State School system, which was heavily influenced by The Church of England. This meant Religious indoctrination lessons, Morning assembly (where we always started with the Lord's Prayer, a Hymn and a Sermon). Visits to Church were required, to hear lay People talk about their favourite imaginary friend. As if all this guff wasn't torture enough, Corporal Punishment was exercised freely and often. The cane was the most serious.
Oh for the good old days. When children had to have an all loving god beaten into them by a sadist.
I recognise a fellow sufferer, of a CofE Primary school. I was blind as a bat, which wasn't discovered until I was eleven. I was also diagnosed as having "high-functioning aspergers syndrome", in my forties. Now known as "on the spectrum". That was a fun childhood, dodging the ones with PTSD from two world wars. Then there were the genuinely barking, f*cking mad ones... 😐
Ah! The Sixties, at least the music and creative arts were brilliant.
@@capt.bart.roberts4975 Beautifully stated. I can not improve on your observations.
Kudos to those parents standing up for what is right.
All the best to Thrasher. I hope he can achieve all his goals, and live life to the absolute fullest.
When you beat your children you are not showing them love, you are abusing them and making them fear you. No child should be beaten anywhere, especially not in school
Damnit Hehment, I was just thinking "Aw Dennet was the only unproblematic one...ಠ_ಠ
As a kid, my mom and stepfather signed a paper that my school sent home. It was asking if they could,abuse, me if I stepped out of line and got in trouble at school. Of course, I was a troubled kid and got to the point where I gladly accepted the spanking. As an adult, my kid got the same paper yrs ago,and I wrote on it,I dont abuse my kid, so nobody else can either. Thanks, mom and stepfather, for the tough love or whatever was the good excuse.
A while back, my country banned the use of any corporal punishment on children. At the time, I thought it was intruding upon the rights of the parents, and now, I feel ashamed I ever thought that way. I cannot see any justification now why it should ever be permitted.
I'm disabled. Let me say this: people like that will absolutely hit disabled kids for being disabled... when their disabilities directly result in "inconvenient" behavior. I know. I have cerebral palsy. I still have trauma from literally having to fight back against my father when he wouldn't quit hitting me after I was too physically tired to get out of the car
For the record: my dad is currently not allowed contact with me or my kids .
What a delight to hear some New Zealand news, and a joy to hear Jessica's correcting of Hemant's pronunciation! (Just think MAO as in Chairman Mao, and REE, with an attempt to really roll that R!)
Further to it, there are many old traditions that have had the ol' Christian wash by introducing prayer and blessings for example in to Maori formal occasions. For example, when someone has died, it is customary for an elder to 'bless' the house or site of death, but now, it is done with Christian wording and intent. Maori are still very religious, as it's connected to social identity, but not nearly as much as polynesians here, who are much more like African-American families in the States. You'd be hard pressed to find many polynesian households without a plethora of Catholic icons decorating the walls.
Further, I think you find it intersting to look in to Destiny Church here in New Zealand. It's fronted by a couple, Brian and Heather Tamaki, who seemed to have looked over at your evangelicals and liked what they saw. Homophobic, bigoted, and preying of the recourses of those who have little to spare is par for them. They tried to get in to govt last election (failed miserably but the idea of a denomination in govt is all kinds of icky) and very nearly gained consent to claim a portion of our largest city as their own private enclave. And still... they have been instrumental in getting Maori from prison and in to paying work through life skill training, and so they command a very high level of respect from our Maori population.
Jessica and her reactions are worth gold and diamonds.
This Supreme Court scares me, but it would be such an easy PR win for them to rule against the city’s laws against the homeless. I’m hoping that’s why they are picking up this case.
Jefferson was a property owner, and didn't think that anybody without property, should vote!
As an undiagnosed person on the spectrum, at school in 1960s, I got hit and mistreated because I was non neurotypical. By several of my teachers, the least being lifted up by the hair on my temple by three, sorry four of my grammar school teachers. The more sadistic ones twisted it, my mum never found out why I suddenly wanted much shorter hair on the sides of my head. Most either had PTSD courtesy of The Two World Wars, or were certifiably insane. Given my experience of such teachers, I'm not convinced that arming them is a particularly sensible policy. I'm betting in the next year, an armed teacher will kill an irritating child. 😐
OMG! Dr Spock is a still a boogeyman! Ahhhhahahaha! I think this legislator is a big fan of dobson's hate group. My parents were adherents to the abusive notions of dobson on late 70s into the 80s. Spock was a big scary boogeyman in our house. I'm utterly fascinated to hear him named checked today.
I don't believe in hell, but I believe there's a special room in hell just for dobson.
Religion benefits from ppl in crisis. Peddling hope.
I live in New Zealand. I am not Maori but I do find Maori culture fascinating. The way they treat death is awesome. The open expression of sadness and grief is overwhelming and beautiful. A funeral haka will have me crying floods of tears every time.
At its core, a haka is respect. Respect for your opponent, respect for the deceased, and so on.
As someone of Maori descent, I prefer to see Maori grief as much MUCH more accepting of a natural process than Pakeha traditions. Might not be for everyone, but it's common to have the deceased in their coffin in the living room and all the guests sitting around them, telling tales and stories of treasured memories. Find it a more healthy way to approach it than only turning up to a particular ceremony to see them off.
WTF is wrong with Oklahoma!!!!?????!!!!!?????
Fun fact. Before the Lord of the Rings began filming in NZ, a Haaka as performed for the crew and main actors. If you have the extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring, its included. The di the same for The Hobbit.
22:52 I guess their church aiding and abetting child predators wasn't a deal breaker... So why do they think this organization will change?
The kinds of corporal punishment that they are talking about in particular cannot be separated from the sexual element. When I was growing up in Catholic Middle School I had a very attractive 6th grade math teacher. She was a lay teacher not a nun and she was very quick to use corporal punishment. As a 6th grade boy that found his teacher attractive I think you can see where that led me. I was very well behaved in all my other classes, but in her class I was a terror. I got paddled and strapped after school by her several times. It was only after she figured out that I was perfectly well-behaved in all my other classes that she put two and two together and started giving me detentions. On the flip side, you cannot tell me that there are not sicko School administrators to get off on doing this to young boys and young girls.
50:46 yep and 1 Timothy 5:18 For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”
11:56 - 'Thank you for your fidelity to the faith.' He just said thank you for being faithful to the faith. He runs a school. I think we have a bigger problem than a gay man existing and reading excerpts of his book here and for once it is not the usual story when 'child' and 'Catholic' are in a story together.
Fundies: Grin it and bear it, you'll get through it.
33:23 hitting your child isn't discipline, it's deterrence. Guiding is actual discipline.
I'm 50. So i grew up with git an ass whoopin in school, git one at home era.
That's not okay now. I'm 30 I still had a lighter form corporal punishment at school, standing and I fucking hate my 2nd grade teacher for that. My parents are mexican so the belt and the chancla.
If I do have children, I won't be doing that.
@@KevinBelmontLuna i haven't done that. I raised a good man.
@@KevinBelmontLuna never got my ass beat with a flipflop. But i did get it with a hog whip.
Medical term for a miscarriage is spontaneous abortion.
I wonder if that's what that pastor was referring to? Not that I expect him to be that informed, but I've got a good imagination lol
How safe are those Oregon homeless shelters?
It's almost like these religious types deliberately see who can be the shittiest and get a dishonorable mention on this podcast.
28:52 which is not actually what the Bible is saying because if you understand the term rod which refers to what shepherds used to guide not hit their sheep that means it's saying spare rod AKA guiding AKA discipline not hitting of your child, you spoil them because you're not disciplining and guiding them.
That and God's rod and staff are comforting, not threatening, a rod here again is for guiding which could provide comfort.
If the homeless kids are 10 to 17 wouldn't they be in foster care
Doesn't the rod refer to a Shepards pole? To direct sheep. Not beat them senseless.
29:11 THEN LEAVE OFFICE!
SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
Great episode guys.
So criminally prosecute the homeless so they end up in jail?
Why not create help for them? Wouldn't that be beneficial?
These pastors complaining about somebody being a socialist or communist seems problematic, especially in the U.S. where these institutions pay no taxes. Just a thought….
14:15 I thought the churches position was missionary
29:26 and you should leave because it would be a net positive for everyone.
"Randy Randleman". ahh yes the perfect lawmaker for inflicting suffering on the rimworld
Why do conservatives have such funny names like do they have any self-awareness whatsoever when choosing a name for their child
36:48 this is the deep things of satan, Revelation 2:24
I love how people like this Oklahoma politician try to associate sensible ideas with communism and socialism. Yeah! You just keep pushing communism as the good ideology! 👍
I get so tired of parents thinking hitting their children is acceptable punishment. It especially annoys me when someone says 'I was hit/beat as a child and I turned out ok'. I have a cousin that said that and he served time bc a friend of his committed murder and he (according to him) unknowingly drove the getaway ca.
I watch Midsomer Murders every Thursday (British show) and in one of the episodes they had the sports team do a Haka routine before each game bc one of the coaches had gone to New Zealand and thought it was a great bonding activity.
What the Maori have gone through sounds like what the Native Americans went through. Any word on whether religiosity is declining amongst N.A.'s?
"'I was hit/beat as a child and I turned out ok'"
The response to this is, "No you didn't, you grew up thinking beating children is acceptable behaviour."
Haka is great. We did it as a school of 900 of us. Had to stop doing it in the the school hall for fears the foundations might not handle it.