im wondering if theres any evidence that they even _originated_ in the milky way. if they're so ancient, maybe they came here from somewhere else. maybe they came here because they sensed the warp and found it more interesting to experiment with, leaving their more mundane technological advances (like the fortresses) behind.
The way it cannibalizes other ships remind me of Tyranids incorporating biomass. They are also extra galactic entities. Maybe the Blackstone Fortresses seek the extermination of the Hive fleets? Everyone has a natural enemy, right?
That's what I'm thinking as well. Find a way to lure the Nid's to the Blackstone fortress, as they swam it it will consume their ships and the sentinels inside will destroy them. They'll eat everything alive, but won't be able to leave and eventually be converted to useful materials for the fortress!
@@TheRealBelisariusCawl if your ominissah is so great, how come he doesn't have a deity in the warp? There all heretics in my book, kept in check by there stupid dogma and backward ways, forced upon them so they don't summon deamons by mistake or accidentally birth a race of Super AI... Oh wait, the men of iron.
I was thinking like Doomsday Machine (From Star TREK ToS), which ate planets for fuel and material for parts and supplies. Although the Doomsday Machine, The "Horn of Doom" or "the Black Maw", used an anti-proton beam for the destructive work and was likely entirely solid state, no moving parts.
The fortresses may very well be a creation meant to contain the Tyranids. If you think about it, they are the perfect counter to a Hive fleet: No biomass to consume, incredible firepower and a seemingly unlimited supply of automatons and defenses to counter a Tyranid swarm. Furthermore, just like the Tyranids are theorized to be a "fire trench" against the Necrons during the War in Heaven, the Blackstone Fortresses could serve a similar purpose. That is turning the stars of systems in the way of a Hive fleet into supernoave and therefore denying said Hive fleet access to biomass.
perhaps the 7th only arrived to figure out what had happened to the previous Fortresses. they all could have very well have been communicating somehow, especially if they seem to have their own sentience.
The Blackstone fortresses might have arrived in the galaxy after the Enslavers showed up after the War in Heaven. If they do indeed need to "refuel/recharge" by feeding off the vessels of other interstellar races then that would mean they starved for resources during that time. Since immediately after the enslavers the necrons were all in hiding, and very few ships were traveling through the warp. As such they entered into a hibernation state for thousands of years to conserve power but like some necrons this hibernation was not successful in preserving them resulting in malfunctions in key processes.
The chaos gods seem to have been formed by the emotions of sentient creatures specifically within the milky way, so it seems like their reach is limited to this galaxy. On the other hand, the tyranids use psychic powers and take advantage of warp phenomena, so we know that the warp exists outside the galaxy. My headcanon is that the war in heaven completely fucked the warp in the milky way, and most inhabited galaxies have a much more stable warp mirror image then the milky way does, so they don't get shit like chaos gods, daemons being summoned into realspace, or warp storms.
@Esben M somehow I still see that as less grimdark and just outright dismal than what's going on right now... plus, I'm still waiting for the Men of Iron and their primordial xeno equivalents to come back into the picture...and maybe the C'tan as well...WH41k/42k? here we come!
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 There are about 100 billion galaxies in the universe. So even IF the tyranids allready devoured 26 galaxies (which I think is not confirmed in any way?), they still have a VERY long way to go before one could say that there would be "probably not much left outside the milkyway".
The entire plot of blackstone just seems to be building up to the reveal or realise of a new faction Just another thing to add. What if whatever made this fortresses have been around since the time of the old ones and potentially observed them and sent the fortresses to establish contact or maybe whatever they are is what the tyranids could be running from? Maybe even remnants of the Men of Iron trying to conquer the galaxy. The possibilities are nearly endless as to what they are and what they want.
Arent the men of iron human in origin ? Unless warp bullshittery is involved, they couldnt have built those. But yes i can see them trying to get those fortress under their control.
@@ChillAssTurtle right,but then it would have to be a completely new race from another galaxy that was way more advanced than every other species in the milky way, other than the old ones.
I have a theory on why the daemon said those words: he could have referred to the fact that they are from a time in which the galaxy was much different. If constructed by the Old Ones their "machine spirit" (for a lack of a better term) didn't have to deal with a hostile Warp, which makes daemons difficult to comprehend. Of course it is just a hypothesis, there's nothing substantive other than the fact that Chaos tends to use facts in a distorted way (see as example the vision of the statues of Big E and the loyalists shown to Horus in order to push him towards heresy).
Here’s an idea you didn’t bring up: the Blackstone Fortresses are from outside the galaxy. The Eldar have a prophecy about The Outsider coming back to the galaxy to harvest it. What if the Fortresses are connected to The Outsider?
The fact that this one appear to be sentient the others may have decided that self destruction was preferable to being enslaved to abaddon or humanity. They may also be able to rebuild themselves depending on how the AI controlling them works seeing as this one can utilize salvaged parts from other ships.
But then wouldn’t the Nids have arrived long, loooong before the Imperium came to be ? Unless they have FTL drives, ir doesnt really make sense to have been made for the Nids. Against a similar species to the Nids native to wherever the hell they came from ? Plausible. But your theory is good anyway.
@@robertnelson9599 necron were psychic before bio transferance. That's why they are now basically souless after the C'tan consumed their gestalt psychic energy or soul. Even tau are psychic (very weak compared to even humans).
it's too advanced to be necron tech, the reward for beating blackstone fortress the boardgame is immortality for one of you characters, if the necrontyr had access to immortality that easily, the war in heaven would have never happened.
Havent played 40k in 10yrs but damn i love 40k lore and mystery. I always wonder if GW has a lore book locked away somwhere with all the answers. Great vid
"Remember those walls I built Well, baby, they're tumbling down And they didn't even put up a fight They didn't even make a sound" - Canoness Beyonce - Order of Blessed Child
The comment of the Daemon could also be interpreted as a temporal metaphor rather than a geographic explanation. "Not from this Galaxy" could simply mean "Not from this time", and since the Old Ones created their Fortresses before and during the War in Heaven, it was a time where Chaos wouldn't exist in the same form it does now. If the 7th remained hidden for all that time, it is only discovering now that Chaos and Daemonic Entities are a thing.
Being from outside the galaxy could also mean being from another reality. We know that alternate realities exist and the Warp is connected to them. So maybe there are things from other dimensions or parallel universes coming into the 40K universe.
I thought it was the necrons ? Its always the necrons....hence the saying "if in doubt its the necrons falut" or "if you dont have a clue blame the necron to" or my favourite "no matter what the codex says the necrons really are to blame get that thru your head".....
The Blackstone Fortresses (BSFs) are scout ships for a race, or even a coalition of races, that tried to or are currently fleeing the Tyranids, if the Tyranids are in fact "everywhere in the cosmos". The BSFs are meant to be strong enough to withstand the Tyranids if they should be encountered, and have EXTREMELY HIGH qualifications for races that they may encounter. Unfortunately, the Tyranids are expanding further and faster than the BSFs can manage at a time. Many have been lost or destroyed and what few remain are slowing getting caught, captured, and some abused into destruction as they are being exhausted of fuel and parts.. On the side. The Tyranids may be a doomsday weapon created by another race that got entirely out of hand. Instead of ending the war it was meant for, the Tyranids ended everyone they get close to. They are not capable of true FTL and so may well be limited to just our "Local Galaxy Group", the cluster of galaxies, bound by mutual gravity, containing the Milky Way, Andromeda and about 54 other lesser galaxies, mostly dwarf galaxies in a region about 10MLy in diameter. Because of the expansion of the universe, it is utterly impossible for anything to travel between galaxy groups without true FTL or near to it. This is due to the lack of sufficiently "strong" gravity to retard or curtail the expansion of the universe. Eventually, it will be impossible to travel at all between galaxy groups without bypassing physical space entirely (For example, no one has shown they a can Fold Space). So, the Tyranids should be confined to the Local Galaxy Group, depending on when they were first activated or unleashed. After all, they may have spread from another Galaxy Group when it was still reasonably possible to do so.
There's.. a lot.. of other galaxies out there and each could have their own intelligent races, some even more powerful than the Old Ones ..but they leave the Milky Way alone because it's so corrupt and smells like ass. I'm shocked that Chaos is unique to the Milky Way, considering the nature of the Warp.
@@CryingZombie666 I'm thinking maybe 6 of them were made in our galaxy and then the 7th was made by the Old Ones outside our galaxy where the Old Ones currently live.
@Overonator Ah, that theory about the remains of the Old Ones fleeing the Milky Way galaxy at the end of the War in Heaven. That makes me wonder: Are they engaging in a war with the rest of the Tyranid fleets outside the Milky Way right now?
@@CryingZombie666 That would explain their absence if they were battling the Tyranids outside the galaxy. Also I think the chances are good that the Old Ones made the Tyranids.
What if they are remnants of a fleeing race(s) or an on going war (or remnants of an even more ancient war) between the Tyranids and whomever built the fortresses from another galaxy
Let's think... what other thing comes from Not our Galaxy.. they come in all shapes and sizes and always hungry. Maby the Black Stone fortresses were made to fight the bugs. Maby the bugs are on a retreat and the B fortresses were sent to cut of there retreat kinda thing.
I don't know, when I look at a Blackstone Fortress it looks very pyramid-y... it kind of screams Necron - minus the green glowing Necron's like to have on their stuff.
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Honestly I think one of the Old Ones survived the War in Heaven, fled to another galaxy, created the Blackstone Fortresses to both stop Chaos as well as the Necrons and Nids, like maybe if all 7 are united they form some sort of barrier that separates the Warp permanently from our universe or something like that, either way I think they're going to play a vital role in basically 40k's Endgame
If we run of the theory that someone sent them here, my guess would be to stop or at least engage the tyranids. My thinking being if their engaged other galaxies they're not attacking mine and if I can help that conflict last longer that's more time I have to prepare personally. Or is the last ditch effort all the race that had already been consumed attempting to help the next victims
God, I hope that they decide to do something with this idea. I've been thinking that we need more extra-galactic stuff in this setting for a while. The Tyranids are cool for sure, but I love the idea of more completely mysterious stuff from beyond.
My dream scenario would be a faction of Humanity, from a different Galaxy. Or an alien race that isn't voracious space cockroaches. Something DIFFERENT.
Maybe the fortresses are beings of their own? That would explain the sentience and need to consume other ships (or at least make yourself stronger through assimilating them). Maybe something like a hivemind and the 6 in the Gothicsector where just in a kind of sleep. They seemed to destroy themselves after they were cleaned of chaos. Except the two Abbadon captured (and held).
after looking at the (very few) pictures i can find of blackstone fortresses, i believe the points/arrows coming off of the fortresses are imperial additions. the original blackstone fortresses seem to be just a diamond shape.
No it's deliberate. When they were introduced they were under Abaddon's control, all other info is retroactive continuity. Supposedly such terror was sown by these weapons that their shape was adopted as the symbol of chaos.
It would make sense that the warp that effects the milky way galaxy is only of this galaxy. Otherwise there would be many more gods and many more races used by the powers of the warp. Maybe each galaxy has its own warp
werent the tyranids said to have actually been fleeing from something, in one edition or the other? maybe they were fleeing from the race that made to fortresses.
namekman01 it was pointed out as a possible reason why they’re coming. There is always a bigger fish. But I think more recent lore implies the astronomican is a giant lamp that they want to touch
Hmm the fortresses can destroy stars, thats why i always assumed they were old one/eldar weapons made to kill C'tan in their natural form. But this extra galactic theory trows this conclusion out of the window. Might they then be connected to the Dyson sphere?
I'd say that we will only find out who/what it could be if a consciousness of similar scale/power can be used to communicate with the vessel. It is upon reading that novel - clear that the fortress has some sort of AI that is capable of not just manipulation of individuals and groups - but has an objective all its own. You could be right about why it is absorbing ships - albeit slowly. But that gives us a look at what might be some sort of nanotechnology and part of why UR-025 is interested in it. That Man of Iron might be the one individual capable of communicating in a meaningful way - alternatively the AI that runs the vessel might be well beyond it in scale. Like asking an Elephant - though sapient to discuss philosophy with a human. It might not even know that it's co-travelers have largely been destroyed or corrupted. That would be interesting. It might have traveled here to investigate what happened to the first 6. After that attack by the demon - it might be starting to have an idea. Most useful to the Imperium et. al. would be it's method of interstellar/galactic travel. Any technology that could be used by other races to avoid using the warp would be a game changer for anyone who could unlock it.
Perhaps the old one's recon device scouting the milky way to check if its safe to return, and this "recharge" is actually just injecting random "living/moveing" objects to take back info as to whats still alive in the universe?
Usually the "old one made them" is the most accreditated. But i think they were made by Necrons when they ribelled aganist the c'tan. The blackstone they use as material is warp resistant, but polarized in a differend way can be warp enhancer, and that makes them C'tan killer starbases. But with the "outher galaxy" orgin possibility changes all.
I like the idea that they're a relic that predate the Old Ones such that the Old Ones aren't really the first sentient species to have ever come into being at all, but they were the first in the Milky Way Galaxy, and they are in fact late bloomers in the greater scale of the universe as a whole. Most of these other extra-galactic species had already driven themselves and each other to extinction through an enormous war that both predates and dwarfs the War in Heaven altogether. Each of these races that have long since died off were both more powerful and advanced than the Old Ones could ever hope to be, and would have squashed them had they arrived early enough in the universe's history to get involved in their war.
Possible topic - origin and possible return of lost Imperial super battleships - the Imperator Somnium, Bucephelus and Gloriana-class Battleship, many of these are listed as fate unknown, does Guilliman know where any of these are? Does chaos? And was Abaddon's planetkiller based on one of these designs.
@@thomasdomer6512 Yeah they were used against the void dragon during the war in heaven. Also Necron tech us far more powerful and advanced than the fortresses
@@the_dropbear4392 not really, in the Blackstone fortress game, the "secret" of the fortress is a machine capable of granting immortality while preserving the original body and soul, free of corruption of any form, the necron where never capable of achieving this level of technology, only achieving immortality after sacrificing their bodies and souls to the c'tan. trying to get immortality from the old ones is one of the main reasons for starting the war in heaven, I'll admit I was wrong about their use against the C'tan, but they are definitely more advanced than necron tech.
I kind of like the idea of the war-hammer galaxy getting cout up in an battle at the gelextic cluster level between swarms of hiveminds and Blackstone fleas on such a scale that it makes even the various races of 40k pusse thinning the destruction is a bit much.
As far as I can remember, blackstone is a material that is typically used by the necrontyr to negate immaterium effects in realspace just like the pillars on cadia..
I think they are Necron'Tyr, but it's possible that they could be one of the C'tan weapon races building more tools, and sending them off through space to the Necrons. Given that your average Necron is like 4 million years old, they can afford to wait for the ships
I'm aware that the Empyrean is confirmed to have exists before the Astronomicon. But it would be interesting if the reason chaos is fighting so hard on the mikyway Galaxy is that this is it's last refuge. Consider if it has been purged through some extra galactic event from everywhere but in the light of the Astronomicon.
The only other extra galactic threat to the milky way in the 40k universe is the Tyranids. Given the fact that they appear to have incredibly offensive capabilities and an AI my guess is that they are either fleeing from or trying to find a means of engaging and defeating the Tyranids. Given what we know about the Tyranid M.O. It makes sense that the best offensive option is a purely technological one.
During the old eye of terror campaign the blackstone fortress' were confirmed as old Eldar weapons from the War in Heaven, talismans of vaul, in a white dwarf article Eldrad Ulthuran would has a nasty brush with Slaanesh when trying to commune with one, to "reach out to what once made it Eldar" i think was the line, after boarding it as it approached Cadia, though given how much has been rewritten over the past few years i don't know if that's still true
@@MrTurbowhitey Humanity doesn't seem to be a direct creation of the Old Ones. Even if we go with the Idea that the Old Ones "seeded" life on Earth we still evolved naturally in accordance to natrual selection.
@@zenoblues7787 that could just be because the Toads died out before they could finish. The Krorks are another example of "Old One" toys being left half built.
Maybe there are other galaxies in the warp too? Or at least the closest equivalence with some sort of barrier that the demons of the warp are either unable or unwilling to cross. The warp after all must be somewhat bound to realspace or it wouldn't be uses as a method of travel.
Hmm, it could be that the Blackstone Fortresses are in fact a scout vanguard of a new extragalactic invasion. If it is possible, the old Human republic made it to another Galaxy before Old Night, then they could have pissed off an advanced species or A.I. Or maybe it is an extremely advanced A.I. that has existed outside the reaches of the Galaxy, waiting for revenge against mankind?
Blackstone fortresses sound kinda like the building version of tyranids if they eat and meld other ships into their framework. Wonder what would happen if a blackstone ate a space hulk?
If they are "Extra Galactic" in nature then they are not the only Extra Galactic "Visitors" to the Milky Way. The Tyranids are also of Extra Galactic origin. The Black Stone Fortresses could have been built by a race of beings as a way of combating the "Nids" and have either been sent to the Milky Way ahead of the Nids or are following the Nids in oder to fulfill their purpose in destroying the Nids.
It would be interesting if the original owners of the Blackstone Fortresses were the xenos from whom the original use of the term Mon-Keigh used by the Eldar is from
First to view and comment, hooooowl I like and support the idea that they are extra-galactic in nature. We really need some more info on them. I would love it if later in the timeline, we find out that the blackstone fortresses were sent to observe and take data on the milkyway galaxy, for an incoming assault from a new and extremely powerful foe which requires most races to come together as allies in order to beat this unknown intergalactic foe
Maybe some Old Ones escaped the Milky Way galaxy during the War in Heaven and coming back to reclaim the galaxy. The six original blackstone fortress are probally relics of the War in Heaven whilst the new seventh blackstone fortress has been brought into the galaxy from beyond
Haha you honor me good Sir. I hear that you are among very sellect few that is allowed in the black library in the web. Maybe the answer lies in there somewhere. Access the Library and tell us good Sir.
its from a old forgotten race (from here or outside the galaxy maybe from the furture 50h,60k,70k,80k,90k, .....) sends here to look what going on and collect information's about fighting strange and tactics (i think gw will bring us in future a new armylist and maybe race)
Well assuming they are from outside the milky-way then maybe the fortresses were a way to stop the Tyranids but they some how went off course as if you think they can kill planets they would be good at defeating Tyranids
I think it is traveling to the middle of the milky way galaxy to use some kind of mega weapon to destroy the galaxy as a whole to not only deny the Tyranids more biomass but to wipe out all the mortals of the galaxy to extinguish chaos.
So the Ancient Ones could have left the Milky Way?
Did anyone try dialing the 8th Chevron on the Webway gates?
I was just looking up SG:U lore today to kill some time, namely starship Destiny, what a coincidence
Well problem with that is the tyranids......let's say they would make a great breakfast.
im wondering if theres any evidence that they even _originated_ in the milky way. if they're so ancient, maybe they came here from somewhere else. maybe they came here because they sensed the warp and found it more interesting to experiment with, leaving their more mundane technological advances (like the fortresses) behind.
Or the ninth. And is it just me or do the Black Stone Fortresses look a lot like Gou'ld Warships?
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*Ancients artifacts of untold power and potential,found in extremely limited quantity in the whole galaxy*
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The way it cannibalizes other ships remind me of Tyranids incorporating biomass. They are also extra galactic entities. Maybe the Blackstone Fortresses seek the extermination of the Hive fleets? Everyone has a natural enemy, right?
That was my first thought, that they might have been built to fight the Tyranids.
That's what I'm thinking as well. Find a way to lure the Nid's to the Blackstone fortress, as they swam it it will consume their ships and the sentinels inside will destroy them. They'll eat everything alive, but won't be able to leave and eventually be converted to useful materials for the fortress!
How dare you compare these beautiful gifts of the Omnissiah to those overgrown space cockroaches!
@@TheRealBelisariusCawl if your ominissah is so great, how come he doesn't have a deity in the warp?
There all heretics in my book, kept in check by there stupid dogma and backward ways, forced upon them so they don't summon deamons by mistake or accidentally birth a race of Super AI... Oh wait, the men of iron.
I was thinking like Doomsday Machine (From Star TREK ToS), which ate planets for fuel and material for parts and supplies. Although the Doomsday Machine, The "Horn of Doom" or "the Black Maw", used an anti-proton beam for the destructive work and was likely entirely solid state, no moving parts.
The fortresses may very well be a creation meant to contain the Tyranids. If you think about it, they are the perfect counter to a Hive fleet:
No biomass to consume, incredible firepower and a seemingly unlimited supply of automatons and defenses to counter a Tyranid swarm.
Furthermore, just like the Tyranids are theorized to be a "fire trench" against the Necrons during the War in Heaven, the Blackstone Fortresses could serve a similar purpose. That is turning the stars of systems in the way of a Hive fleet into supernoave and therefore denying said Hive fleet access to biomass.
I like this theory. Perhaps the only way to truly kill Nids is to starve them, much like the Flood in the HALO Universe.
Maybe this is what the tyranids were running from? As the Blackstone slowly chased them down
perhaps the 7th only arrived to figure out what had happened to the previous Fortresses. they all could have very well have been communicating somehow, especially if they seem to have their own sentience.
Cormac Bevins would be cool if they keep popping up, allowing themselves to be used to only reveal being nefarious to all other lifeforms later.
This feels like a... whale of a situation? Anyone? No? Okay
The Blackstone fortresses might have arrived in the galaxy after the Enslavers showed up after the War in Heaven. If they do indeed need to "refuel/recharge" by feeding off the vessels of other interstellar races then that would mean they starved for resources during that time. Since immediately after the enslavers the necrons were all in hiding, and very few ships were traveling through the warp. As such they entered into a hibernation state for thousands of years to conserve power but like some necrons this hibernation was not successful in preserving them resulting in malfunctions in key processes.
I think that previous ones were dead or hibernating
The chaos gods seem to have been formed by the emotions of sentient creatures specifically within the milky way, so it seems like their reach is limited to this galaxy. On the other hand, the tyranids use psychic powers and take advantage of warp phenomena, so we know that the warp exists outside the galaxy.
My headcanon is that the war in heaven completely fucked the warp in the milky way, and most inhabited galaxies have a much more stable warp mirror image then the milky way does, so they don't get shit like chaos gods, daemons being summoned into realspace, or warp storms.
@Esben M somehow I still see that as less grimdark and just outright dismal than what's going on right now... plus, I'm still waiting for the Men of Iron and their primordial xeno equivalents to come back into the picture...and maybe the C'tan as well...WH41k/42k? here we come!
Tyranids have eaten 28 galaxies.
Probably not much left outside the milkyway.
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 have they??
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 There are about 100 billion galaxies in the universe. So even IF the tyranids allready devoured 26 galaxies (which I think is not confirmed in any way?), they still have a VERY long way to go before one could say that there would be "probably not much left outside the milkyway".
The entire plot of blackstone just seems to be building up to the reveal or realise of a new faction
Just another thing to add. What if whatever made this fortresses have been around since the time of the old ones and potentially observed them and sent the fortresses to establish contact or maybe whatever they are is what the tyranids could be running from? Maybe even remnants of the Men of Iron trying to conquer the galaxy. The possibilities are nearly endless as to what they are and what they want.
I like the idea of more xenos races being added. Humanity already has enough subplots.
(I am aware this is over a year old) If that’s the case, both yey and I should have waited
Arent the men of iron human in origin ? Unless warp bullshittery is involved, they couldnt have built those. But yes i can see them trying to get those fortress under their control.
Refugee ships fleeing tyranids. Supernova any system that has fallen
But who was fleeing from them ?
Headhunter12345 jup
Or something that makes the bugs look like a swarm of picnic ants
@@vishishify literally everyone thats not a tyranid.
@@ChillAssTurtle right,but then it would have to be a completely new race from another galaxy that was way more advanced than every other species in the milky way, other than the old ones.
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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD G...
I mean, FOR CADIA!
CADIA STANDS!
first time for everything
I have a theory on why the daemon said those words: he could have referred to the fact that they are from a time in which the galaxy was much different. If constructed by the Old Ones their "machine spirit" (for a lack of a better term) didn't have to deal with a hostile Warp, which makes daemons difficult to comprehend. Of course it is just a hypothesis, there's nothing substantive other than the fact that Chaos tends to use facts in a distorted way (see as example the vision of the statues of Big E and the loyalists shown to Horus in order to push him towards heresy).
I want a video about The Emperor's "deal" with the chaos gods
Here’s an idea you didn’t bring up: the Blackstone Fortresses are from outside the galaxy. The Eldar have a prophecy about The Outsider coming back to the galaxy to harvest it. What if the Fortresses are connected to The Outsider?
I legit couldn't make out a single world that demon voice actor said.
Same but I knew it was a deamon of nurgle instantly.
Maybe these were design to destroy the Tyranids or a lost technology of the Men of Iron...in theory
@Something Mildly Homophobic he also destroyed other 4 of them before the cadian one as well
The fact that this one appear to be sentient the others may have decided that self destruction was preferable to being enslaved to abaddon or humanity. They may also be able to rebuild themselves depending on how the AI controlling them works seeing as this one can utilize salvaged parts from other ships.
Can't be a product of the men of Iron, as they are too ancient for that
They were used during the war in heaven, humanity didn't even exist then
I was wondering when you'd make a video on these things!
Mechanicum: I hate xenotech so much!
Blackstone Fortresses: *exists*
Mechanicum: I will make this place my home.
It's free real estate
Maybe they were made to fight the tyranids
No they were made to hurt the C'tan
But then wouldn’t the Nids have arrived long, loooong before the Imperium came to be ? Unless they have FTL drives, ir doesnt really make sense to have been made for the Nids. Against a similar species to the Nids native to wherever the hell they came from ? Plausible. But your theory is good anyway.
You've done your part Admiral I hereby take command of this engagement, we'll give that black stone fortress an opponent worthy of its size .
THEY ARE RAMMING IT INTO CADIA!
Hive Mind:"Noooo! That black stone muffin is MINE!"
Extra stellar hobos, no other explanation.
Boxcar Joe, the Magic Hobo!
Hobos are packing some serious shooters with the fortresses lol I can appreciate that
They are interesting stuff, glad you covered this topic.
Products of the War in Heaven perhaps? Pre-robotization Necron tech?
Necrontyr were like the Tau in regards to soul power. Their technology is so advanced because they could not use psykers in any way.
@@robertnelson9599 necron were psychic before bio transferance.
That's why they are now basically souless after the C'tan consumed their gestalt psychic energy or soul.
Even tau are psychic (very weak compared to even humans).
it's too advanced to be necron tech, the reward for beating blackstone fortress the boardgame is immortality for one of you characters, if the necrontyr had access to immortality that easily, the war in heaven would have never happened.
It’s common believed that they were built by the void dragon just like he built the cadia pylons, I’m not sure why they didn’t mention it in the video
Havent played 40k in 10yrs but damn i love 40k lore and mystery. I always wonder if GW has a lore book locked away somwhere with all the answers. Great vid
Hmmm, untold power with radial symmetry, created during an ancient war to wound or destroy gestalt minds..... *Halo?*
Until the Hive Mind starts talking in iambic pentameter I'll count it as a good strategy.
"Remember those walls I built
Well, baby, they're tumbling down
And they didn't even put up a fight
They didn't even make a sound" - Canoness Beyonce - Order of Blessed Child
O-M-G! I'm just now seeing the parallel!! Especially with the Tyranids in the mix!
The comment of the Daemon could also be interpreted as a temporal metaphor rather than a geographic explanation.
"Not from this Galaxy" could simply mean "Not from this time", and since the Old Ones created their Fortresses before and during the War in Heaven, it was a time where Chaos wouldn't exist in the same form it does now. If the 7th remained hidden for all that time, it is only discovering now that Chaos and Daemonic Entities are a thing.
Moar ORKZ
Edit: and Flucsus. Love the voice acting.
9:00 ok, that almost gave me nightmares, then i heard that voice, now it's adorable
Being from outside the galaxy could also mean being from another reality.
We know that alternate realities exist and the Warp is connected to them.
So maybe there are things from other dimensions or parallel universes coming into the 40K universe.
where in canon is the warp being connected to parallel universes mentioned?
I thought it was the necrons ? Its always the necrons....hence the saying "if in doubt its the necrons falut" or "if you dont have a clue blame the necron to" or my favourite "no matter what the codex says the necrons really are to blame get that thru your head".....
I'd love to see the fortresses turn out to be a herald of a new faction.
The Blackstone Fortresses (BSFs) are scout ships for a race, or even a coalition of races, that tried to or are currently fleeing the Tyranids, if the Tyranids are in fact "everywhere in the cosmos". The BSFs are meant to be strong enough to withstand the Tyranids if they should be encountered, and have EXTREMELY HIGH qualifications for races that they may encounter. Unfortunately, the Tyranids are expanding further and faster than the BSFs can manage at a time. Many have been lost or destroyed and what few remain are slowing getting caught, captured, and some abused into destruction as they are being exhausted of fuel and parts..
On the side. The Tyranids may be a doomsday weapon created by another race that got entirely out of hand. Instead of ending the war it was meant for, the Tyranids ended everyone they get close to. They are not capable of true FTL and so may well be limited to just our "Local Galaxy Group", the cluster of galaxies, bound by mutual gravity, containing the Milky Way, Andromeda and about 54 other lesser galaxies, mostly dwarf galaxies in a region about 10MLy in diameter.
Because of the expansion of the universe, it is utterly impossible for anything to travel between galaxy groups without true FTL or near to it. This is due to the lack of sufficiently "strong" gravity to retard or curtail the expansion of the universe. Eventually, it will be impossible to travel at all between galaxy groups without bypassing physical space entirely (For example, no one has shown they a can Fold Space). So, the Tyranids should be confined to the Local Galaxy Group, depending on when they were first activated or unleashed. After all, they may have spread from another Galaxy Group when it was still reasonably possible to do so.
There's.. a lot.. of other galaxies out there and each could have their own intelligent races, some even more powerful than the Old Ones ..but they leave the Milky Way alone because it's so corrupt and smells like ass.
I'm shocked that Chaos is unique to the Milky Way, considering the nature of the Warp.
Hello. It’s 11:00 here. Much tired, but must watch first.
Jesse Berg
yeee
It was 5am for me. Don't care. I was awake anyway.
There are also blackstone fortresses in the Lovecraft universe, and the universe of GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire.
Never stop making your vids, Remleiz
9:02 Fluxus looks a LOT like a daemonic Pikachu.
Consider the possibility that the particular 7th Blackstone Fortress is from outside the galaxy but the previous 6 are not.
That means the Old Ones captured those six and used them for whatever reason, perhaps?
@@CryingZombie666 I'm thinking maybe 6 of them were made in our galaxy and then the 7th was made by the Old Ones outside our galaxy where the Old Ones currently live.
@Overonator Ah, that theory about the remains of the Old Ones fleeing the Milky Way galaxy at the end of the War in Heaven. That makes me wonder: Are they engaging in a war with the rest of the Tyranid fleets outside the Milky Way right now?
@@CryingZombie666 That would explain their absence if they were battling the Tyranids outside the galaxy. Also I think the chances are good that the Old Ones made the Tyranids.
A very extremely great video as always 40k Theories. And there could be more of these blackstone fortress somewhere in the galaxy.
What if they are remnants of a fleeing race(s) or an on going war (or remnants of an even more ancient war) between the Tyranids and whomever built the fortresses from another galaxy
I can see it
Great video! The voice of the demon was fantastic.
Let's think... what other thing comes from Not our Galaxy.. they come in all shapes and sizes and always hungry. Maby the Black Stone fortresses were made to fight the bugs. Maby the bugs are on a retreat and the B fortresses were sent to cut of there retreat kinda thing.
That fluxus voice acting, give that man a successor chapter
I was laughing my ass off when I heard that shit
I don't know, when I look at a Blackstone Fortress it looks very pyramid-y... it kind of screams Necron - minus the green glowing Necron's like to have on their stuff.
Abaddon: Hi, Abaddon here, ready to give you something to get rid of those pesky stains. It's called the Blackstone, it can destroy stars and planets with complete ease and gets the tough stains upon the Materium out with relative ease. Take this planet Cadia, for example, I sent 3 armies of Chaotic servants to it's surface, but to no avail. I used the Blackstone and wiped it out within 1 strike. You too can get ahold of one of these majestic beauties for the small price of traversing through the warp or the deadly everchanging interior of one. Blackstone gets the tough stains out!
Given their design, an interior that keeps changing and cannot be mapped, tempting tresures...they are Tzeentch's rubik cubes.
Honestly I think one of the Old Ones survived the War in Heaven, fled to another galaxy, created the Blackstone Fortresses to both stop Chaos as well as the Necrons and Nids, like maybe if all 7 are united they form some sort of barrier that separates the Warp permanently from our universe or something like that, either way I think they're going to play a vital role in basically 40k's Endgame
If we run of the theory that someone sent them here, my guess would be to stop or at least engage the tyranids.
My thinking being if their engaged other galaxies they're not attacking mine and if I can help that conflict last longer that's more time I have to prepare personally.
Or is the last ditch effort all the race that had already been consumed attempting to help the next victims
Like mass efects crucible
Or the fortresses left because AI is a bitch
Or like the Halo rings from Halo...but not as powerful ofc.
7:09 “Yarr harr，me maties!”
Maybe the tyranids destroyed another galaxy and the last reminants couldn’t win so they sent the fortress as a hope another could. Common enemy
Tyranids have eaten dozens of galaxies
@@the_dropbear4392 but still chewing on ours? And even fail to exterminate my gene line of the blood? Those must have been weak galaxies :D
@@JJumper8888
The tyranids that attacked our so far have been scouting parties, testing our defences
@@the_dropbear4392 this somehow makes me nervous
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That's the whole point.
I do think they're 'Cron tech, they're what they used to shatter the C'tan.
God, I hope that they decide to do something with this idea. I've been thinking that we need more extra-galactic stuff in this setting for a while. The Tyranids are cool for sure, but I love the idea of more completely mysterious stuff from beyond.
My dream scenario would be a faction of Humanity, from a different Galaxy. Or an alien race that isn't voracious space cockroaches. Something DIFFERENT.
Maybe the fortresses are beings of their own?
That would explain the sentience and need to consume other ships (or at least make yourself stronger through assimilating them). Maybe something like a hivemind and the 6 in the Gothicsector where just in a kind of sleep. They seemed to destroy themselves after they were cleaned of chaos. Except the two Abbadon captured (and held).
No mention of how theyre also bizarrely shaped like 8 pointed stars, the symbol of Chaos? Thats also a huge puzzle for me.
after looking at the (very few) pictures i can find of blackstone fortresses, i believe the points/arrows coming off of the fortresses are imperial additions. the original blackstone fortresses seem to be just a diamond shape.
It's also entirely possible that their shape can be reconfigured like a Lego set.
No it's deliberate. When they were introduced they were under Abaddon's control, all other info is retroactive continuity. Supposedly such terror was sown by these weapons that their shape was adopted as the symbol of chaos.
It would make sense that the warp that effects the milky way galaxy is only of this galaxy. Otherwise there would be many more gods and many more races used by the powers of the warp. Maybe each galaxy has its own warp
werent the tyranids said to have actually been fleeing from something, in one edition or the other? maybe they were fleeing from the race that made to fortresses.
namekman01 it was pointed out as a possible reason why they’re coming. There is always a bigger fish. But I think more recent lore implies the astronomican is a giant lamp that they want to touch
@@lashcandle8170 tyranids are moths conformed.
Hmm the fortresses can destroy stars, thats why i always assumed they were old one/eldar weapons made to kill C'tan in their natural form.
But this extra galactic theory trows this conclusion out of the window.
Might they then be connected to the Dyson sphere?
We know they were built to kill the C'tan this is stated in lore
I'd say that we will only find out who/what it could be if a consciousness of similar scale/power can be used to communicate with the vessel. It is upon reading that novel - clear that the fortress has some sort of AI that is capable of not just manipulation of individuals and groups - but has an objective all its own. You could be right about why it is absorbing ships - albeit slowly. But that gives us a look at what might be some sort of nanotechnology and part of why UR-025 is interested in it. That Man of Iron might be the one individual capable of communicating in a meaningful way - alternatively the AI that runs the vessel might be well beyond it in scale. Like asking an Elephant - though sapient to discuss philosophy with a human.
It might not even know that it's co-travelers have largely been destroyed or corrupted. That would be interesting. It might have traveled here to investigate what happened to the first 6. After that attack by the demon - it might be starting to have an idea. Most useful to the Imperium et. al. would be it's method of interstellar/galactic travel. Any technology that could be used by other races to avoid using the warp would be a game changer for anyone who could unlock it.
Perhaps the old one's recon device scouting the milky way to check if its safe to return, and this "recharge" is actually just injecting random "living/moveing" objects to take back info as to whats still alive in the universe?
If you wish for an idea for a theory, you can do a research of what exactly is Tachalka (sorry if I made an error) from the book Angels of Caliban.
Usually the "old one made them" is the most accreditated.
But i think they were made by Necrons when they ribelled aganist the c'tan.
The blackstone they use as material is warp resistant, but polarized in a differend way can be warp enhancer, and that makes them C'tan killer starbases.
But with the "outher galaxy" orgin possibility changes all.
I like the idea that they're a relic that predate the Old Ones such that the Old Ones aren't really the first sentient species to have ever come into being at all, but they were the first in the Milky Way Galaxy, and they are in fact late bloomers in the greater scale of the universe as a whole. Most of these other extra-galactic species had already driven themselves and each other to extinction through an enormous war that both predates and dwarfs the War in Heaven altogether. Each of these races that have long since died off were both more powerful and advanced than the Old Ones could ever hope to be, and would have squashed them had they arrived early enough in the universe's history to get involved in their war.
It is the last of the self-exiled Forerunners from the HALO universe of course.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe even the ones that created the Forerunner and werent killed by them.
@@manofironthathasntturnedcr9817 Well I was only joking, I think.
@@ThePalaeontologist i knew that, i just added my own grain of salt.
@@manofironthathasntturnedcr9817 ok
These are like living space hulks.
Possible topic - origin and possible return of lost Imperial super battleships - the Imperator Somnium, Bucephelus and Gloriana-class Battleship, many of these are listed as fate unknown, does Guilliman know where any of these are? Does chaos? And was Abaddon's planetkiller based on one of these designs.
They have pyramids. Its the Necrons.
They were used against the Necrons and the C'tan through
@@the_dropbear4392 I don't think they where, but it's still not necrons as even the necrons tech doesn't hold a light up to that of the fortress
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Yeah they were used against the void dragon during the war in heaven.
Also Necron tech us far more powerful and advanced than the fortresses
@@the_dropbear4392 not really, in the Blackstone fortress game, the "secret" of the fortress is a machine capable of granting immortality while preserving the original body and soul, free of corruption of any form, the necron where never capable of achieving this level of technology, only achieving immortality after sacrificing their bodies and souls to the c'tan. trying to get immortality from the old ones is one of the main reasons for starting the war in heaven, I'll admit I was wrong about their use against the C'tan, but they are definitely more advanced than necron tech.
1:46 - Battlefield Gothic: Armada had that setting, the 12th time that he put his arms back on. | Old Ones origin most likely.
I kind of like the idea of the war-hammer galaxy getting cout up in an battle at the gelextic cluster level between swarms of hiveminds and Blackstone fleas on such a scale that it makes even the various races of 40k pusse thinning the destruction is a bit much.
Abaddon yeeting the fortress at cadia was kinda badass ngl
The quote from that demon also makes me think that Chaos is limited to the Milky Way galaxy section of the Warp
Fluxus sounds like Eric Cartman with a lisp, or Terry Wogan reading the Janet and John stories. 😂
Blackstone fortresses with their main warp weapon seem to be perfect Superweapons against the C'tan and Necrons.
That's because they are made to hurt the C'tan
As far as I can remember, blackstone is a material that is typically used by the necrontyr to negate immaterium effects in realspace just like the pillars on cadia..
What if it was made to counter the tryanid hordes and eradicate them?
I think they are Necron'Tyr, but it's possible that they could be one of the C'tan weapon races building more tools, and sending them off through space to the Necrons. Given that your average Necron is like 4 million years old, they can afford to wait for the ships
Proper MAD awesome
Yeah it’s the Old ones cars
What if the Blackstone Fortresses are The Old Ones version of the K-Car
Ha yeah I could see that
Oh the old ones clogging up traffic in the warp
What if our galaxy is just a car battery for some aliens?
I'm aware that the Empyrean is confirmed to have exists before the Astronomicon. But it would be interesting if the reason chaos is fighting so hard on the mikyway Galaxy is that this is it's last refuge. Consider if it has been purged through some extra galactic event from everywhere but in the light of the Astronomicon.
If you know the answer to a mystery, then it's no longer a mystery.
Its some race from beyond the galaxy who has deal with tyranids daily and are like, "here, take it and kill the bugs!"
The only other extra galactic threat to the milky way in the 40k universe is the Tyranids. Given the fact that they appear to have incredibly offensive capabilities and an AI my guess is that they are either fleeing from or trying to find a means of engaging and defeating the Tyranids. Given what we know about the Tyranid M.O. It makes sense that the best offensive option is a purely technological one.
During the old eye of terror campaign the blackstone fortress' were confirmed as old Eldar weapons from the War in Heaven, talismans of vaul, in a white dwarf article Eldrad Ulthuran would has a nasty brush with Slaanesh when trying to commune with one, to "reach out to what once made it Eldar" i think was the line, after boarding it as it approached Cadia, though given how much has been rewritten over the past few years i don't know if that's still true
I think is a weapon from the true enemys of the Tyranids, and trying to drive them to the Milky way to counter the Hives Fleets....
Holly shit, It's the Reapers!
The reaper would say « sorry, wrong neighbourhood » when they would see the imperium ships.
Wait the Hrud were created by the Old Ones?
The old ones are basically Oprah. "You get sentience and you get sentience, you all get sentience"
Lazy writing. No species in the Milky Way seemed to evolve naturally beyond the Necrontyr and the Space Toads.
@@MrTurbowhitey Humanity doesn't seem to be a direct creation of the Old Ones. Even if we go with the Idea that the Old Ones "seeded" life on Earth we still evolved naturally in accordance to natrual selection.
@@zenoblues7787 that could just be because the Toads died out before they could finish. The Krorks are another example of "Old One" toys being left half built.
@@MrTurbowhitey and the tau.
And most of the minor races
Maybe there are other galaxies in the warp too? Or at least the closest equivalence with some sort of barrier that the demons of the warp are either unable or unwilling to cross. The warp after all must be somewhat bound to realspace or it wouldn't be uses as a method of travel.
@@shanegrimes3455 Just no
*FORBIDDEN PSYCHIC LEGOS*
Lego 40k Batman is gonna wreck Abbaddon's shit.
Hmm, it could be that the Blackstone Fortresses are in fact a scout vanguard of a new extragalactic invasion. If it is possible, the old Human republic made it to another Galaxy before Old Night, then they could have pissed off an advanced species or A.I. Or maybe it is an extremely advanced A.I. that has existed outside the reaches of the Galaxy, waiting for revenge against mankind?
The Blackstone fortress were used during the war in heaven and humanity didn't exist then
@@the_dropbear4392 Also entirely possible.
Who made those Fortresses? Simple really.
MATT WARD!
The true 5th chaos god!
Personally think the Blackstone fortresses are massive AI constructs that evolved from the Men of Iron or from a Xenos AI.
Could the fortresses be linked to the Tyranids as both are from outside the milky way
Blackstone fortresses sound kinda like the building version of tyranids if they eat and meld other ships into their framework. Wonder what would happen if a blackstone ate a space hulk?
im currently reading ruinstome & there are these warp structures that is as large as a solar system what are they
Great video and great game :)
Got any info on the 82nd Grendish traitor regiment from the traitor Command expansion?
Not as of yet
@@40KTheories thank you anyway. Keep up the good works :)
Praise Nurgle, don't vaccinate
If they are "Extra Galactic" in nature then they are not the only Extra Galactic "Visitors" to the Milky Way. The Tyranids are also of Extra Galactic origin. The Black Stone Fortresses could have been built by a race of beings as a way of combating the "Nids" and have either been sent to the Milky Way ahead of the Nids or are following the Nids in oder to fulfill their purpose in destroying the Nids.
There is an Old One remnant outside the galaxy, there they have crafted the Blackstone Fortresses and the Tyranids.
They've been sent here to deal with the Tyranids.
It would be interesting if the original owners of the Blackstone Fortresses were the xenos from whom the original use of the term Mon-Keigh used by the Eldar is from
First to view and comment, hooooowl
I like and support the idea that they are extra-galactic in nature. We really need some more info on them. I would love it if later in the timeline, we find out that the blackstone fortresses were sent to observe and take data on the milkyway galaxy, for an incoming assault from a new and extremely powerful foe which requires most races to come together as allies in order to beat this unknown intergalactic foe
For the first time in YT history i do believe sir that you are correct....wow...bravo sir bravo....
Maybe some Old Ones escaped the Milky Way galaxy during the War in Heaven and coming back to reclaim the galaxy. The six original blackstone fortress are probally relics of the War in Heaven whilst the new seventh blackstone fortress has been brought into the galaxy from beyond
Haha you honor me good Sir. I hear that you are among very sellect few that is allowed in the black library in the web. Maybe the answer lies in there somewhere. Access the Library and tell us good Sir.
Lol who voiced the guy at 9 minutes? I thought something else had auto played.
its from a old forgotten race (from here or outside the galaxy maybe from the furture 50h,60k,70k,80k,90k, .....) sends here to look what going on and collect information's about fighting strange and tactics (i think gw will bring us in future a new armylist and maybe race)
Well assuming they are from outside the milky-way then maybe the fortresses were a way to stop the Tyranids but they some how went off course as if you think they can kill planets they would be good at defeating Tyranids
I think it is traveling to the middle of the milky way galaxy to use some kind of mega weapon to destroy the galaxy as a whole to not only deny the Tyranids more biomass but to wipe out all the mortals of the galaxy to extinguish chaos.