GREY KNIGHTS AND THE TERMINUS DECREE! CONFLICT WITH THE CUSTODES?
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- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we discuss the legendary Grey Knights chapter, and the mysterious Terminus Decree... Would it lead them into conflict with the Emperors Custodes?
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Once the box is opened, the chapter master of the Grey Knights will find the parchment that simply states: "Note to self: Remember to put the instructions for the Terminus Decree in this box. -Janus"
Haha
"Dear Draigo I owe you on emergency destruct button...signed Janus"
Edit
Huge bloody bonus points if you get this reference.
"Wed like to talk to you about your cars extended warranty"
Nice one
Or simply reads:
We think you were mis-sold ppi lol 😂
The terminus decree is in fact a text-to-speech device.
ABOUT FUCKING TIME! I HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!
I mean you may not be wrong
@@jenswurm They may prefer Him when he was the strong silent type
Yes
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Yeah, that could easily tear the Imperium apart pretty quickly.
Unless the Emperor himself said to do it in his own voice to the head of the Custodes, The Custodes would NEVER let it happen. They are the most loyal of any entity in 40K
I dont think they would even then. Theyre whole reason for existence like rho said is for his survival. Theyd follow any order he gave without question or hesitation EXCEPT to let him die i think.
True, they could be a problem. But then again, I am under the suspicion that in some ways, the Custodes were closer to the Emperor than even the Primarchs and that he told them things he never even revealed to his sons. So it is perfectly possible not only that they know the secret itself, but that they are actually even part of it in some way, shape or form.
100% agree 👍 👏
But maybe that's part of the decree custodes stand down
@@Furzkampfbomber This is actually a fact of the lore.
yoo thanks for featuring my art rho!
Which one? 😲
@@Wykesidefruitmachine the one used in the thumbnail so the grey knight holding the severed daemon head
@@earltheartist3697 Holy shit, what incredible talent!!! Where can I follow your art?
Great job mate! Yeah @earltheartist where are you located on the web!?!
Stunning artwork mate! That Grey knight looks like a complete badass
Perhaps the Grey Knights wouldn't even have to fight the Custodes. If they're at the point where the Terminus Decree is actually considered, maybe the power of the Emperor would be at it's weakest. Meaning he can't keep the webway gate on Terra closed anymore. So the Custodes and Sisters of Silence would maybe be fighting demons back to back, giving the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights an oppertunity to dive for the golden throne like that one orc at helms deep did in the gutter lol. Would be pretty epic tbh.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if the emperor just told his custodes to let the grey knights kill him
@@fabiz8602 he can't die, he's a perpetual
@@andymatheson82 So reset him if you will.
@@andymatheson82 Being a Perpetal has never meant that you *don't or can't die* - unless we're going to *completely* ignore all the lore around Vulcan, Saint Celestine or John Grammaticus.
*For Perpetuals, when they are killed,* _they will come back to life (eventually)._
@@henryviiifake8244 I don't think die is the right word, more like their physical form is destroyed. Even still I doubt there is any force strong enough in the universe or the relm of chaos to fully destroy Eazy E's physical body.
The Terminus Decree is the instructions on how to delete the Emperors browser history
Doesn’t want anyone to know he looked up “big tiddy Eldar girls”
@@BrawnyStream wait until you see his history for "blue fishy oriental hotties"
Two tau one greater good.
Head-cannon: all the psykic energy that is "leaking" from the throne is actually being stored up, with the gradual failure of the throne only being a ruse to prevent the gods from catching on. The seal is the catalizer of the bomb.
Isn't that basically what Vulcan installed he turned the golden throne into a bomb so if the emperor dies it closes the warprift leading to terra.
@@themagickgoblin840 If the throne turns off, the broken webway portal E was trying to make (then magnus destabilized and broke) would consume Earth. There was never a direct confirmation of what the device was. Vulcan who made it says that he didn't even know what he made, or why he made it, only that he went unconscious and woke up with it in his hands with the feeling that he needed to bring it to E. Vulcan assumes that E possessed him directly to make it, or implanted in him the suggestion to make it and not remember.
Nobody but E knows what it does in-story. it being a bomb is only assumed given E said "a blow they will never recover from", and a warp bomb designed to be as empirically vicious as the birth of slannesh, but with the acidic essence of E instead of unfocused emotion, seems like the only thing that could do that successfully, unless E plans on commanding the imperium's forces to directly sterilize the galaxy of all life in a suicide bum-rush, which is unlikely given that if the imperium ever got that desperate to do it, the imperium's enemies would already be far too strong to stall by the feeble remnants.
If the throne is a E bomb, then the warp rift still won't close, because only a necron plyon can do that. The warp and materium were one-in-the-same during the glory days of the old ones. A sane rules-based existence free of overflowing warp is the left-over battle-trenches the necrons dug to fight the eldar and old-ones. The eye of terror, and rift, and Earth will simply burn with steralizing fire for a couple hundred years or so until it fades like slannesh's birth scream did, destroying everything it touches, thus resetting the "great game's" "chess board" for a second match, kinda like the fantasy Age-Of-Sigmar franchise did after Chaos won and ate the planet. This is probably what GW planned to do with the 40k franchise too before the negative fan reaction to AOS and the explosion of 40k popularity made then reconsider.
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 seeing gws habit to flip flop on lore i wouldnt be surprised if a psychic ebomb would be as affective as a black stone pylon. It wouldn't be the first time they smashed established lore for the sake of a cool story to sell a book and some models
"catalyst"
@@themagickgoblin840 It's their lore; they can do what they want with it. All of their lore is "established" and canon, since it's theirs. After 10,000 years in-story, stuff is bound to change, be undone, or reverse. Just because you don't like doesn't mean it stops being established.
if the Gray Knights clash with the Custodes I'm sorry, but they're going to take a beating... They've suffered to deal with the Space Wolfs. I don't see them having much of a chance against the Custodes.
Just in numbers maybe. But with their power as pyskers they would beat the cutodes. In the fight before the wall in Watchers of the throne they were watched by Valerian and he commented on their power and how they fought as a brotherhood. In the lore they are bigger than primaris and deadlier.
In the Uriel Ventris novels he was beaten along with his sergeant instantly by one grey knight.
Only Mephiston could hope to match their pysker power. They are unique as they can fight in the warp and universe equally. They are the Emperors creation and equally his children.
Facts. They should've been able to roll the wolves. They certainly gave them a beating, but received an equal beating in return. And unlike the Space Wolves, the Grey Knights can't replace their casualties so lightly.
@@WanderingCelts the point is that the Custodes always count on the support of the sisters of silence.
@@victoroduarte true story
They lost maybe 3 against the space wolves, and that by surprise attacks.
In return the wolves were nearly destroyed, but they won the moral victory and thus got them to back down since few Grey knights actually cared to follow the instance inquisitor.
I've said this before on a different channel, but I honestly believe the terminus decree might be something a little more material. I think it could be the location of the second and 11th legions. In a way in which you can summon them to aid the imperium. Big E's oh crap a button. Really how hard would it be for him to just have hidden those two legions with orders to wait in case he or a representative of him calls them. Then erase them from history and make talking about them an ugly ugly crime. Two full-sized old school legions with 10,000 years to recruit more and improve their technology would be a heck of a oh crap button.
I hope this is true.
Great theory
Actually something I have thought about too, but... such Legions wouldn't just stay put. And besides, they were entirely unavailable in the Horus Heresy and Siege of Terra, at a time where everyone else was courting Primarchs and Legions left and right and recruitment rate was at an all time high.
There is also a theory of Sigismund and his Black Templars to actually be the possible adopted sons of Rogal, from either Secundus or Undecimus, and that the title of Emperor's Champion relates to the role that their Primarch was meant to have in the Imperium (interesting when you consider that Fulgrim and Leman sort of take that role for themselves too). So, your version of the Terminus Decree would just be calling on the Black Templars and setting them free from the 1000 limit entirely (they would probably try to be six hundred thousand instead of merely six thousands...), unless maybe it frees them from the Nikaea edict, if their Legion was a psychic one (as is mine version of the second Legion (Magnus was always suspisciously alone in that regard)).
@@tokoyonokuni4656 for me I always imagine the 11th legion as the extra psychic and yeah mangus always seemed a little bit alone in that. As for the heresy the emperor's ego is his biggest weakness he didn't think he was going to lose so why bother calling them. He honestly didn't bother dealing with the heresy until the traders were in the sol system. But like Magnus being the only psychic the two lost legions being erased from history has always been suspicious to me. Even Horace and those 8 who went with him into betrayal weren't completely scrubbed from the records. Sorry spelling mistakes I'm too tired to spell check.
There is hint that maybe the custodes have the 11th Primarch locked up in their secret jail area.
I don’t think it’s about loyalty. I think it’s because the Grey Knights know the power of a True Name. What if the parchment is the Emperor’s True Name and what to do with it
And his name is Timmy
Put the hat on Timmy.
*_"AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!_* 🎺🎶🎺🎵🎶"
@@henryviiifake8244 That's so messed up it would be totally worth it. LOL
His True Name is Henry Cavill.
My suspicion is that the Grey Knights have some secret access route. Some secret portal or maybe spell that they could use to get inside the throne room for a lightning quick strike. Malcadore must have known that the custodes would always be vigilant against any and all threats and planned something specific.
Could the GK maybe have a way to teleport in?
@@macgonzo they must have some spell or device that directly teleports them there. Possibly just in case they need to respond to a demonic incursion faster than their ships can take them
@@normtrooper4392 that would be my guess too 👍
Makes sense, they just got out of the webway war so they would want a shortcut to get the GKs to the dungeon/throne room for instant reinforcements in case the webway were somehow reopened and the demons overrun the palace.
It’s probably a secret teleporter room in the Titan Monastery keyed for only one location: right by the golden throne’s off switch.
Not likely. Custodes love their blood games, where they stage any and every way to make an attempt on the Emperor. Hell if I remember right, during one blood game they stumbled upon an assassin who was in the middle of such an attempt. Things got pretty awkward pretty quick.
"He pressed the golden colored button, and heard only a faint voice in the background. Straining, he heard: I was there the day Horus killed the Emperor."
KONO HORUS DA!!!
The Adeptus Custodes always and forever will obey in their master's decrees and commands no matter what, no matter what the cost for humanity or for themselves, will be always loyal to the core to the Emperor. If ever they learned about the Terminus Decree is legitimate wish from their Master and in extension, Malcador, then will execute this last resort with grim dedication and undoubtedly faith.
While true, the trick is PROVING it is a legitimate command from the Emperor.
I do not think it has anything to do with the Emperor. If it did, the head of the Custodes would have the decree and immediately just execute it at the time.
It is from Malcador, not the Emperor. He may have said yes for it to be created, but it is not His seal.
@@MrSplicer3 if you assume the decree indeed comes from Malcador himself then the Emperor approved it, so no matter from the moment the Terminus Decree is approved from the Master of Mankind then, there is no problem from Custodes's side.
i would dissagree, in Siege of Terra Saturnine, Dorn, Malcador and Valdor (SPOILER) are discussing the possibility of evacutian of the Emperor through the use of Phalanx, when Malcador says, and i quote
‘He will never leave,’ he said. ‘The question went
unanswered. I can tell you, He will not agree to it.’
and Valdor replies
‘He might have to,’ said Valdor. ‘His safety is my duty. It’s the one area in
which I have final say. I won’t ask. I will just do it.’
From this we can take that Custodes would never let Emps die, even if on His command.
I assume the decree reads “have you tried turning it on and off again?” Got to love Rho’s work, in top 3 lore channels!
I like the non cannon theory which states that the Throne plus the two devices will activate a galaxy wide ritual on all planets with the Emperors symbol which absorbs all the souls on that planet fueling the Emperor's Return as a God in the Material Realm. If you add 1million worlds worth of souls being devoured by the Emperor that's a critical blow to chaos and what's left can attempt a comeback.
I have a theory on how grey knights can pull this off.
So Dante has visions of a golden warrior defending the golden throne against the hordes of chaos. I think it’s reasonable that during the final stand against chaos, the custodies will order a retreat into the throne room. The last stand will include key figures like Dante, a loyalist primarch or two, custodians, and most likely, several named grey knights including the supreme grand master.
I think prior to this last stand, the supreme grand master will have read the terminus decree and understood his mission. As you say, he can’t find a way to pull this off by fighting or reasoning his way in. It’s only possible if the custodians have no choice but to let them in as a final last stand.
In regards to what the decree actually does, I’d be willing to bet something like a throwback to the last time the emperor walked off the golden throne would happen. Like when custodians defended against chaos breaking into the palace, but on a much larger scale. Since he’s been sitting on the throne being fueled with psyker sacrifices for the past 10k years, I’d guess he’d be able to just emit some kind of golden blast to cleanse the entire planet of chaos taint and revive everyone who died. Or bring them back legion of the damned style.
The Terminus Decree is a simple parchment that reads - Have you tried turning it off, then on again.
so turning the thonre off and on again ?
Theoretical: The Terminus Decree would free The Emperor from The Golden Throne and bring back the most powerful being in the galaxy!
Practical: No one knows what would happen, so The Terminus Decree could save The Imperium or destroy it!
Guillaum? Is that you?
Even cawl thinks it would be a bad idea to test this theory. Yea thats right, when some one like Cawl thinks something should not be tested because of the risks you know you should definitely not try.
@@ShadrackMeduson If _Cawl_ declares it, I'd be extra careful and would automatically assume that whatever the degree unleashes must be much, _much_ worse than we already assume. And this means something, considering that a lot of people, not without reason, believe that not just Terra itself, but the whole sector would be involved.
Think about it, Cawl has shown time and again that he gives a crap about other people's lifes. He is the type who happily starts a war, only to see how his last invention works and who only cares about other people's suffering as long as it somehow helps him to satisfy his scientific interest and curiosity. And I think we can also safely assume that the Terminus Degree is something that must provoke his curiosity profoundly and massively - and that he would happily sacrifice even _Terra_ in order to satisfy this curiosity.
And considering that Cawl usually can't be found on Terra, but somewhere far away, like in 'whole sectors' between them, he must believe that whatever will be unleashed, it might even reach _him_ in his faraway place. I don't care what other people in the universe believe or say, but if the man with the most evolved survival instincts in the universe believes we should let it be, well _then_ I start to listen attentively.
Big Money never was most powerful being in galaxy and definitely is not now either.
After listening to all the different theories and possible issues, I find myself wondering if the Terminus Decree describes how the Grey Knights will have to sacrifice themselves to the throne? If we are led to believe that the Emperor himself was born from 1,000(or whatever #) ancient pyskers all commiting suicide, then it might stand to reason that 800 Grey Knights, each of whom are some of the most powerful pyskers in the imperium, all killing themselves at the same time might bolster the Emperor somehow. Just a thought, but one I had not considered before. If the decree is to kill the Emperor, however, then the GK will have one fuck of a fight on their hands. But for that reason ALONE is why they were entrusted with the decree in the first place.
Yeah that's my theory also, the Grey Knights have to replay the ancient shamans' mass suicide that created the Emperor. Just morbid enough to fit the lore nicely.
@@halloweener3754 Imagine same ritual using loyal primachs whole Thousand Sons legion and selected Custodes.
sounds too true
I'll be honest, this doesn't sound like the Emperor trying to restart his power, that sounds like the Emperor's final decree is to try and create a second Emperor tier psychic to take over where he failed.
This may not even be the first time that has happened, if what some of the few hints of the DAoT and Malcador are true.
Makes sense, especially when the grey knights are already trained to combine their warp powers during battle to make them stronger than the sum... I expect it would be something like
GN: All of you, pour your entire soul and power into this merger
*cool buzzing noises and a blast if light"
Big-E: "BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED, I AM THE EMPEROR OF MAN!!!"
I think that's a lot of assumption, Malcador and Empz don't seem dumb enough to think the Grey Knights would even try and attack the throne. Assuming their intelligences were not stunted. They would likely make access to the Golden throne, and Seal location separate from where the Gold dongles are hanging out in the throne room on guard duty. You wouldn't put your spare housekey under the mat a foot from the door it's used on, you'd hide it in a false rock or magnet box nearby, out of sight. Especially because, the Empz knew what was going to happen, it's hard to believe he would just say "Screw it, Vulcan. Put the big red button to blow on my armrest" That seems.. I don't know... stupid? Illogical? Short-sighted? Anti-climatic? Bad writing.... Yep. So more than likely, the Grey Knights would have their own trigger, in it's own spot, hidden away from even the Custodes... As to anyone saying, the golden boys know every inch of the Imperial Palace, may I remind you an assassin nearly made it to the throne room and he was JUST a Drukhari assassin. Not a demon, not a greater demon, not a god-spirit or Uber-OP plot armor dipstick. Just a Drukhari. Who managed to make it though Battlefleet Solar, the Astra-militarum, Custodes, Grey Knights, Martian Mechanicum, and all of Terra's millions of defenses. Just one guy.
The drukhari part is bullshit, another story says that a random ass world eater killed multiple custodes with his bare hands, most writers have no idea where the Custodes are on the power scale.
@@claytonthegrubkiller6430 honestly anything lesser that kills a Custodes is non canon for me
@@claytonthegrubkiller6430 How is it bullshit when the Inquisition is trying to cut a deal with the Drukarhi themselves to get the Golden Throne fixed?
@@LutherMahoney lmao, first off, it's not the drukhari, there's absolutely no diplomacy with them it's always kill on sight, second, the Inquistion needing help dealing with xeno tech (which the throne uses) has absolutely nothing to do with how strong the custodes are
@@claytonthegrubkiller6430 lmao first off, you are way off kid. Diplomacy *has* been (semi) successful with the Drukhari. Diplomacy may not be feasible with the Drukhari faction in entirety, however there are Drukhari entities who may desire to reap the reward from helping the emperor
Albeit it is far from a healthy relationship free from ulterior motives, but a relationship nonetheless.
Well its clear that GW is turning the Emperor into a god so either this is going to happen in a novel just before the Emperor ascends into the warp & becomes a god or it will just fade away out of the lore after it happens
Rho is almost at 100k subscribers and he's earned every one of them. One of the best 40k lore channels out there, and that's saying something!
I'm impressed you're producing a lot more videos now while managing to keep the quality high and the content as interesting as ever. Keep up the good work dude!
According to Realms of Chaos. Grey knights are automatically granted an audience with the Emperor. Haven't seen that retconned.
All hope is lost. The galaxy is in flames. The resurgent Squat Empire has smashed aside all resistance. Holy Terra itself is on the verge of destruction. The Custodes are holding the final bulwark leading to the throne room. The Grey Knights Chapter Master makes the fated decision to open the box containing the Terminus Decree. As the container opens all he sees inside is a solitary datasheet. With no time to spare, he activates it, and a recording starts to play. The fated sound that heralds the Imperiums final breath…
“We’re no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I…” 🤣👍
you forgot an obvious approach. the custodes could have a protocol if someone showed with that seal, that says that whoever has it has to be brought to its counterpart, but they wouldnt know what it does. then once hes brought there, he can push the switch, even with custodes watching they wouldnt notice until mabe a few seconds or minutes after. it doesnt seem too difficult.
Love your channel. Keep up the great work!
Almost at 100k damn been a great ride from 10k good going my dude
Merriam-Webster
Definition of terminus:
1: either end of a transportation line or travel route
also : the station, town, or city at such a place : TERMINAL
2: an extreme point or element : TIP
the terminus of a glacier
3: a final goal : a finishing point
4: a post or stone marking a boundary
I have two theories:
1: Instead of referring to death (terminal) specifically, it's referring the first definition above. i.e. The Terminus Decree is a means to permanently close the connection from real space to the Warp. The obvious benefits would be that the forces of Chaos were no longer able to influence our dimension. The trade-offs would be that Warp based interstellar travel will be impossible...forever, and that any and all psychers that gained their powers through the Warp would be cut off and possibly die...including The Emperor.
2: It's the MacGuffin that Games Workshop would use in their final story should the Warhammer 40K franchise fall. Possibly akin to the HALO franchise, it could be the means to end all life everywhere...destroying all threats to the universe, along with starving out the powers of Chaos.
I'm pretty sure that it was confirmed that Chaos Gods do not need to feed off the emotions of living beings to continue existing.
@@kamilszadkowski8864 If true, the effect would be the same. At the very least, the Chaos gods wouldn't have anywhere else to direct their aggression/manipulation but at each other.
_All_ psykers? 🤔
Even the Necrons - who have the best anti-warp technology by far - weren't able to close of the warp galaxy-wide. I *highly* doubt that whatever goes down cuts off the warp from _all psykers?_
There's a Webway Gate on Terra, so I'm sure it would involve collapsing that tunnel.
If we consider the situation when the terminus decree is to be used; "when all hope is lost", we may find out the usage of it.
It might just be a suicide bomb command. Sacrificing Terra to destroy all the chaos forces on it (probably may have already captured Terra as there own). Taking a heavy (or maybe finishing) blow to chaos. However, leaving the rest of the Imperium isolated and to fend for themselves (unless you are under papa surf's domain).
That 100k subs mark is creeping up! Will be well deserved :)
Another amazing video Rho!!
Rho, you forget, this was a mission givin to them by Malcador himself, im sure he has figured it all out. Malcador doesnt take chances.
One of the most fun things about 40k is there are so many pieces of open ended, semi-abandoned lore like this that might be a part of some development in the narrative, but probably not, that could in-universe be part of some grand plan, or not that we can wonder about.
you're getting real close to 100K Rho, i'm so happy you're going to hit the big 6 digit milestone. Looking forward to a new subscriber special!
The Terminus Decree is just a simple door override so the real Emperor can finally leave Trazyn's gallery.
Nothing leaves Trazyn's Museum unless he himself wishes it xD
The parchment contains 2 things:
1) instructions to re-aim the teleporter already in the Sanctum Sanctorum to point to the throne room instead
2) instructions on how to deactivate the golden throne to reboot the Emperor into a warp-like god being (personally I think he is a suped up, self made demon prince Perpetual from his time in the Molech portal, why else would demons call him the Anathema?)
No need to fight their way in, I’m sure the Emperor and Malcador would have made it possible for them to complete their mission if they chose to finally open the box. They are his personal astartes chapter and he is their primarch so maybe a different bond than with his custodes who would literally only refuse this one command and he knew it.
It’s over as soon as they open that box.
It would suck if it came down to the decree but the throne has worn and fallen so far in disarray that though it is failing, the mechanism to turn it off/blow is now broken 😂🤣.
That fight would be epic. My moneys on the Custodes. The Grey Knights are fierce warriors but I don't see them toppling the Emps chosen 10thousand in a fight. Especially in the palace.
Draigo would solo all the custodes lol
@@naus6081 Against Valoris? I don't think so lol
@@ivylt1274 has valoris 1vs1 a deamon primarch?
@@godemperor436 fair point. But i still take custodes over the Grey Knights anyday.
@@godemperor436 I think valdor beat most of the primarchs in duel like most of them even horus
I was kind of under the impression that the Terminus Decree was more than just a list of instructions. Something more like a super encrypted signal that can be broadcast or perhaps even quantum entangled with the matching seal on the throne. If it is something more along the lines of a signal or something, the Grey knights could activate the decree from Titan potentially.
Depends on if the grandmaster of the grey nights even knows what it does. If he doesn’t, he would be have no reason to believe it would kill the emperor, so he wouldn’t even be able to act suspicious which the custodies would notice. I would see it that he would ask permission to see the emperor and the golden thrown. There is a good chance that there is definitive proof that the emperor and malodor set this up, so I think the custodies would end up allowing them to come in, under heavy guard of course. Then they would scour the thrown to find the seal, do what they think needs to be done, witness the emperor die, and then the grandmaster would instantly be slaughtered for “treason” against to emperor.
more like instantly die to the psychic nuke going off next to them when big E dies and or the hammer thing is activated.
i feel like you are overlooking the whole reason Malcador needed to sit of the emperor's throne the imperial webway project acting as a backdoor for the greyknights not saying that assuming that they could fight through the hoards of daemons trying to get in that they would have any easier a time if they were expected by the custodes but if terra were to come under siege again...
Really great vid, nicely constructed argument.
Id like to think after 10,000 years the custodes would find every path in or out the palace, nevermind the throne room.
I do agree they'd have found any and all purely physical ways into the throne room by now. But I'm sure there's a plethora of psychic pathways in there too. At least some of which, they still don't know about.
@@fulalbatross a fair point i didnt really think of that, just physical entrances, that would probably be the work around.
@@sheevpalpatine2128 Custodes know the palace inside and out, they would literally notice a single new scratch on a single screw on a wall panel the size of Mt Rushmore. They play constant war games and a few are selected to sneak around the palace to "assassinate" other Custodes in order to weed out possible points of entry.
Think of that for a second.... Not just ordinary Space Marines, but CUSTODES.... Playing Hide and Seek/Manhunt :D
I would love to see a battle where the grey knights are trying to turn off the thrown, and the custodes, guillomen, and the sisters are trying to stop them and then the custodes turn off the thrown and during the midsts of their battle the emperor returns... That would be fucking awesome.
You have outdone yourself Wolf Lord. I think you’ve solve the endtimes plot. As a lore junky this is the greatest fix I could hope for.
I just hope I can come down from this high.
It would entirely depend on who the sisters of silence sided with.
Always thought the Terminus Decree would be a "blank slate" protocol, or for lack of a better term, an Order 66 in the box.
Fairly confident the decree says "join the T'au, good luck and all that - The Emperor"
I think they would be instructed to find one of or both of the missing primarchs behind the doors with their numbers (2 and 11) hidden behind psyker traps (why grey knights alone were chosen or at least part of the reason) perhaps awakening/reviving/releasing one or both secret sons would have a game-changing effect on the imperium, super fun things to think about :)
I think with all this talk of fighting their way through the Custodes and Sisters of Silence, you may have not considered one thing - one of the conditions of the Terminus Decree being enacted is almost certainly that the Custodes and Sisters have already failed to protect the throne.
The Terminus Decree Parchment: "Remember, m'lord, dying is gay."
The Emperor: (*resurrects*) Welp, guess I'll stop dying and pawn Chaos."
Really loved this vid. I'm wondering if the custodes know about the terminus decree? Would they just let the SGM just walk in if he had the box?
This would make a great story. The Great Knights trying to break in and have at least one of their number survive until the throne.
I have had this idea rolling around in my head for a long time, it seems obvious to me that there would have to be conflict if the Terminus Decree indeed instructions to turn off The Golden throne. This takes me on quite a tangent but bear with it, one of the so called origin stories of the emperor was that of the suicide of large group of shamans to create the Emperor. What if the terminus decrees intent was to force the the Grey knights into conflict with the Custodes and Sisters of silent? What if every single Grey knight sacrificed themselves in the name of the Emperor, not knowing their death was by design to make the Emperor reborn. Given every single Grey knight is a powerful psyker it could definitely work. Food for thought at least.
i like the idea that the terminus decree is instructions on how to make an emperor. the emperor is a bunch of psychic souls melded together in mass ritual suicide. so it's entirely possible the terminus decree isn't about killing the emperor but making a new one. the grey nights are the only military arm comprised entirely of psychers. if any faction in the imperium could pull off making a new emperor with the same ritual that was used to make the first emperor it is them.
I think that the emperors webway gate was mended to allow one single Jump and the thing that is inside the terminus decree IS a phrase, special word or device that allows it to transport the emperor to Titan alongside malcador where it would slowly power down and he would phase out of existence before taking his place alongside the gods or is reborn. But no one would ever know who or what did this
The webway portal is the key cou ter argument to killing the emporer ! How would terror survive ? Omg such an interesting subject very exciting 😄
Given how spread out the Grey Knights are and how desperate the situation would have to be for the Terminus Decree to be activated, I couldn't imagine them having the numbers to pull it off.
According to the 8th edition Custodes codex it says "No secret is kept from the Custodes." and since from their creation back in the days of the unification wars, they have only been made and tasked for protecting big E. I think there would have to be some colaboration between the Custodes and the GK, and not even a GK can take out a custodes, 1v1. I love this lore, but hate its execution.
I think it’s coordinates for a webway entrance behind the throne under or whatever as well as the way and location to shut off the throne 😁
I had a theory for a little bit, especially with the implications of the Custodes and the Lost Primarchs: Couldn't it be possible that, in the direst circumstances, Big E wanted them to reawaken the Lost Primarchs and their legions?
12:03 it's crazy how a random harlequin got further than the grey knights probably could
I mean if the emperor can move through the warp possess guilliman, heal his body and restore him to life i'm pretty sure he can pull the plug on the throne if he wanted to.🤔
I think you are discounting two important things
1) the power of macador, the man was able to hide a full blown planet, I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that he could leave something powerful enough to get the grey knights into the throne room, I also have questions about the tome, is the object in there? Is it a pathway?
2) by the name terminus decree we can assume that it is about destroying the emporer and the golden throne, but I wonder if the result is that the emporer is reborn again, why not do it??? I would imagine that there is risk in it perhaps there is a chance the emporer loses all his powers or doesn't come back at all
P.s in this final battle I like to theorize who is there and it really depends on who the enemy is but I could see a few surprise chapters like the minotaur being there in the end
The Emperor and Malkador know what the Custodes (and the Grey Knights) are like and would have taken precautions in de document (I'm assuming it's not a remote control that would work from far away). The easiest way would be to lie to both, and we all know the Emperor's relation to the truth is similar to a certain British PM. I'd expect the degree to read something like "When Earth is likely to fall, bring the Grey Knights Chapter Master to me and I will bestow upon him te power to vanquish any foe. Let none bar his way or face my wrath, this goes for you Custodes as well!" Then when the Chapter Master is brought to the Golden Throne he's instructed to send out a psychic command like "Alexa, code Code Zero Zero Zero Destruct Zero". We've also seen conditioning including secret shutdown or activation commands, like when an assassin attacked Vangorich.
I've always found this idea of a secret known only to the Chapter Master a bit weird. Whether it's the terminus degree or Luther's cell. Chapter Masters tend to die on the Battlefield and their successors aren't always near them, or even known at the time. There have to be some chapter serfs or servitors who hold the knowledge too so they can teach the new chapter master.
I guess I don't know the lore as well as Rho, but I figure if you explained to the Custode the significance of the order, and the possibility of it bringing the Emperor back to life, they MIGHT do it.
I really hoped this video was gonna be about two Solar factions cracking shots at the other.
The Terminus Decree could involve the true rebirth of Horus (now resistant to Chaos due to his experiences) as a Champion of Emperor. Terminus Decree could be in effect mean the opposite of it, that is the unmaking the termination of Horus.
I think that the rebirth of the emperor could take time and effort just as Vulcan's did. Therefore, the astronomican would go off and the Emperium would be no more.
malcador making a plan for a event that happened after his death on the throne. perfect logic by Rho.
Grey Knight tries to hurt a Custode
Custode:something tickled me...
I think a grey knight Paladin or grandmaster might be able to hold his own against a custode but only for a very brief period of time. Because I think sigismund dueled a custode and scored a point. It wouldn't be to out there for a Paladin or Grandmaster to achieve a similar feat.
I recall seeing a bit of lore a lonnnnnng time ago in an old imperial army book that upon the death of the emperors body his souls physic presence would ascend as a inverse to the power of the chaos gods causing their destruction. No Emperor, No Chaos Gods, No chaos forces, no warp travel.
Key gets inserted into the golden throne:
slight humming starts:
ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME, I HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT
Let's be fair. There aren't any 40k fans who do not want to see the greys stand off with the custodes
Valdor once slaughtered 30 Thousand sons alone and They were top tier psykers.
I don't think GK has any chance against Custodes. Custodes are way too agile for GK.
Upon his resurrection, Guilliman was allowed in so that he could see the Emperor. Perhaps the Grey Knights could work with him and he'd be the one to disable the Golden Throne.
What if it's just simply the emperor telling them to work with the xenos that are Willing to work with them. (Eldar, tau, some necron) potentially some chaos marines? Looking at you alpha legion and the fulgrim clone. Wouldn't the grey knights be the best group to judge the xenos?
Gray Knights would be absolute worst to judge other races lol
I wonder what, if anything, Roboute might know about it. Even if only an inkling, a hint, that Big-E might have given him before or after his own brush with death.
I would expect that ol emps and malcador would have a back door so to speak, to enter. The difficulty they will have is leaving after the deed is done.
Could it not be this weapon we are currently currently seeing being made in the SOT novels? So it ends ALL transhumans, loyal and traitor alike?
Maybe It's a ritual suicide similar to the one that created the emperor in the first place Maybe create a new emperor or empower the current one for his final battle with chaos. Another point is who said it's only one thing it could be a series of instructions on how to revive the emperor and nuke chaos with Vulcan's dooms day weapon.
I imagine that there is 10,000 anathema psychcana in the Palace, one to be pared for each custodies. Just like in the War of the Web Way 10,000 years ago. And I bet … that in a story that has the Grey Knights ending the life of the Emperor, The Primarch Vulkan is there also defending the Emperor or maybe aiding the Grey Knights because he literally has the artifact to activate the dooms day weapon.
So I think this is a halo ring situation. The instructions are for the GKs to work with the Custodies to unplug the Big E unleashing the hoards in the webway while simultaneously destroying all life (on every plane) , sparing everyone from a faith worse than death. The caveat, prior to pulling the plug, the custodies or GK will be responsible for preparing/securing an arch of some kind holding raw genetic material and basically set a timer to begin fertilizing eggs after the halo style cleansing, therefore snuffing out the source chose draws it power from, humans, then allowing enough time to go by and restart humanity free of chaos. Who knows, this may be a cycle?! Humanity starts, chaos sprouts, humanity ends and do it all over again. I’m aware this premise is used elsewhere but still pretty cool. Also, maybe all or some of the custodies will remain in the arch and be responsible for passing down everything they have learned to humanity. There are many ways this plot can go and this is just my interpretation.
I think it might be a little more simple. The Terminus Decree might be the final order given. A writen decree from the Emperor and Malcidor for the Custodes to deploy and reinforce the Imperium, cleanse Earth of Corruption (as Guilliman brought it to light), and begin prepping the Imperium for His return.
I believe the parchment holds the true name of the emperor. The one valdor has been searching for for 10000 years. With it the emperor could be controlled.
Also my personal opinion about what the terminus degree is, the grenades are basically the Knights Templar and they guarded a precious secret being the holy Grail. The darkest of times the imperium will face is when the emperor dies. Terminus decree meaning and being the emperors life contains The location of where to find the newly reborn emperor. It is the green lights task to find this child and keep them safe until he’s able to rule the imperium again.
What if the parchment contains an order from the Emperor to grant the Grand Master an audience alone with the Emperor? Can't see him shutting it off if it's just the two of them. I don't know if they'd agree to that though.
"whats that over there" LMFAO
Maybe the fact that the head of the grey knights won't even open the box is pointing towards that just opening the box will do the trick? And the note will just be a "oh btw since you opened the box this will happen"xD
The emperor is active now, he can talk to one of the custodes. Maybe the terminus decree might be to release THE ANGEL (Prototype primarch) from his slumber
Terminus Decree is a reset switch possibly a time reversal key, and the Emperor going back to just pre heresy and the emperor knowing what he knows would possibly set to purging his legions of the traitors before istvan 5 massacre just a theory :D
This is a great theory
The "Terminus Decree" is a 'yo mama' joke so funny that it has everyone (when played on loud speaker) rolling on the ground laughing their guts out (not literally) - but it gives whoever is holding the parchment enough time to slip in and do whatever he/she needs to do in order to bring about said event(s).
Terminus is the extinction of all life. Can’t have chaos gods if there are no worshipers to feed them.
*Grey Knight opens the Terminus Decree*
" Make some sht up, thanks."
Love, M. Sigilite.
Found it funny how this is a plausible concept given how Dan Abnett himself said on an interview on ars technica how he'd love writing a custodes vs grey knights fight scene
There is an option for enacting the Terminus Decree, whatever it might be, that might not even require the Grey Knights to set foot on Terra. This is a fuzzy idea at best, so bear with me...
In a fair few points in fantasy, and even mythology, there is a precedent for items being linked or 'twinned', if you will, by means of magic. Whether it's magic mirrors used for communication or transportation, stones for sharing thoughts or remote casting of spells, or - most famously - one ring forged with the same framework of spellcraft as a whole bunch of others, a ring forged to control the others; these items, often a pair of identical objects, offer a way through defences or wards.
So, say there was a seal, identical to one on the Golden Throne in every possible way. Not just in terms of physical dimensions, but in metaphysical ones as well. An item that had been altered by a truly powerful, Alpha-plus level psyker, one that is on record as being second only to the Emperor himself in terms of power. Say, for a second, that such a pair of items, if in close enough proximity (like, the same solar system, for example) might potentially both resonate on the same psychic frequency, like tuning forks. And one of those 'forks' happens to be on a rock with 800 powerful psykers...
Yes, the palace is warded. But those wards do have holes... the Astrnomicon has to get out, after all. Yes, the Sisters of Silence are there... but because of their null aura, they wouldn't be allowed too close to the Throne, for fear of harming the Emperor's mind.
I think Malcador knew that the Custodes would never allow anyone to get close enough to the Throne unwatched, no matter the sense of possibly switching the Throne off. I think he built in the equivalent of a psychic dead-man's switch, then put the trigger on a wooden box which contains a simple instruction on a slip of parchment.
If I'm right, they'd never have to leave Titan, much less attack Terra
People kind of counting out Kaldor Drago, he's one of the few people to defeat a daemon primarch, so he might have a chance with his full forces to fight their way to the throne.
The only non primarch who beat a demon primarch one on one.
Small correction... the terminus protocol, the sealed box is located in a Grey Knights Sactum on Holy Terra not in there fortress on Titan... and the sactum is within the bowels of the citadel itself. There is a small force of Grey Knights gaurding it tho none may enter the Sanctum except the Supreme Grand Master.
There are allies the GKs could call on... other offshoot forces, such as the Exorcists, and possibly other Astartes chapters and Imperial forces sympathetic to them. Even the Ten thousand and their Sisters of Silence allies would be hard-pressed to beat all of them.
I like to think that it is command codes to switch off Terra itself, so they never have to step onto the planet. Or command codes to switch off the throne room. So long as they are in orbit/communication range, they can send the codes and stay safe
Roe and leutin release a video on the same day?!?! Praise the emperor!!!