Except, Hobbits DONT like to collect shinies and nicknacks. Please go read the Hobbit and LToR again. Bilbo and Frodo are HUUUUUGE exceptions to the cultural norm. You are thinking of Dragonlance and Kinder.
As a Deathknight of the Dark Angel, after multiple encounters with these Watchers... I'm convinced they work for the ancient Terran entity know as Santa, for they know if we've been nice or naughty...
@@kelborhal2576 They know where Lion El Johnson is and Azreal doesn't. If they can keep that a secret from the Dark Angels. They can probably keep their true nature whatever it is hidden without much difficulty.
Are they small compared to men or just astartes? Yoda wouldn't make a demon run. "Hello, I'm the Doctor, your planet appears to have become a spaceship, which odd as it seems is not as rare as you'd think."
Their null warp presence is likely how they are keeping the fate of the lion hidden... if chaos and really the imperium cannot detect his life despite the fact he is sleeping, they probably keep him that way because the watchers know how the chaos gods would react if another Primarch were to rejoin the imperium.
That would imply Altruism. Which is as dead as Peace, Discovery, Innovation, Science, and Freewill. All are dead and buried in 40k, never to be seen again.
Maybe instead of nullifying warp, their true power is actually sucking in all warp energy in their immediate vicinity... like a kind of warp vampire. They hate the warp maybe because of their dependence on it and would seek to destroy it instead of revelling in it.
How about how someone who was supposed to be intelligent, falling for the absolute bullshit Grammaticus fed him. Alpharius believing the lies of the Cabal was and is one of the worst written reasons as to why the Alpha Legion rebelled.
@@MrTurbowhitey Being shown the future (in fact more than merely shown, but felt and experienced, as the book describes) is a far, far cry than someone telling you something and subsequently believing it.
@@MrTurbowhitey not one that was total bs, but one that through knowing made them over confident and led to the future we now have in 40k , "in knowing future one does try to understand the strings and gears needed to truly enact said future as it has already been shown to them, in seeing it they blinded themselves to the truth, a choice is required in all things, if one only follows and does not choose they will always fail"
Maybe the Watchers aren't Daemons but rather just Warp-born creatures, not unlike Enslavers, with their Blank-like invisibility towards other Warp-Entities just being some sort of "natural" Camouflage. Think Octupi or various Insects here on Earth, just Sapient and with added Warp-Weirdness, allowing the Watchers to stay hidden from daemonic predators. This would also explain how they are able to stay in the material world, without any Warp Portals or host bodies that Daemons usually need to maintain a physical form, as they are just a material species that evolved in the Immaterium, again, similar to the Enslavers, if different in nature.
Caliban seems to have been an Artificial satellite created to house the Ouroboros and the *Tuchulcha* those things that they call the Watchers could be an Artificial species created as caretakers. It could also explain how Caliban became a Death World, as I SERIOUSLY doubt Dark Age humans would colonize a Death World intentionally.
There is one thing we already know what is madness inducing when looked at, but not by Chaos or the warp or all it's playgrounds. It is said that they are madness inducing because they and their... followers? spawns? underlings? Bah! ..., because they show those that look upon them the truth, pure unadultered truth, the truth that one doesn't count. That one is as insignificant, everyone is as insignificant in the grand time of cosmos... And the Elder Beings, the Old Ones that shielded and fought against them. Against these beings of Order.
I would agree except that creatures with such power would probably want to bring the warp back to it’s original state, and therefore would have little to no reason to be with the dark angels, especially considering the how distrusting the dark angels are unless some part of the dark angels are required to complete their goal.
... Could they be to Eldar what Ratlings are to humans? I mean probably not, but, the idea of Eldar having divergent sub-species in WH40K just like humans is now interesting to me.
@@firockfinion3326 I think they're called the Hrud? 40k theories has done a video on them before. They are the furtherest thing you could think of from an Eldar.
The "Greater Good" is a synonym for slavery Isha is the literal reason why so many planets are infected by fatasses plagues. Ynnead is supposed to arrive when the Eldar are basically dead And the Watchers in the Dark are more suspicious than the Dark Angels, and that's saying something.
From a decoded vox recording obtained by the Blood Ravens, of Traitor Primarch Konrad Curze (estimated to be shortly before his possible assassination): "I've been asked, what pissed off the Lion when I last spoke with him, as we were initially on good speaking terms when we met, despite being foes in Horus' hissy fit. I asked him, I just needed to know how he scored his Jawas. 'I KEEP TELLING YOU, YOU CRAZY F__K, THEY'RE NOT JAWAS DAMMIT!' he shouted back. "'Well, I mean Orko here does look like-' and it went downhill after he cut me off, then tried to cut me. "O Lion-O, you can be a biatchy thunderkitty when pushed."
in a night lords hideout sevatar after watching it:...huh. weird. *calls cypher* cypher:wasssssup sev sev:hey uh question your a dark angel right? you got any clue what the fuck the watchers in the dark are cypher:not really,why? sev:well after stealing and watching a vox recording concerning our dads konrad asked lion what the actual hell are these star wars jawa motherfuckers i figured,ya know being a mysterious and surprisingly smart bastard youd know something cypher:i mean i could infiltrate the dark angels and ask. anyway,bye
There is a simple answer as to what they might be, we have through the Heresy confirmed that the Watchers have Guarded the Ouroboros (Daemon within Caliban) since the planet was formed. In all likelihood the watchers are an evolutionary off-shoot of the Old Ones, specifically due to their negative psionic presence and ability to travel between the corporeal realm and the warp. If you consider that even within your own video they spoke of cultivating the civilization on Caliban, doesn't sound extremely similar to how the Old Ones were "Cultivating species" for their wars and experiments? Warsmith Dmitry(Phobos Tir) Freyger awaits your reply Philosoraptor...
Except the Old Ones needed the Webway to travel far distances, I also find it hard to believe that they've been so unsuccessful in combating Chaos if they can breed like anything else, or that they are only found in Caliban. Surely any of the Old Ones that remain would have made sure the Watchers could spread, breed, and make it own that they stand in direct opposition to Chaos (arguably the biggest threat). Surely they would be everywhere if they had access to the Webway and space travel. Add to this the fact that they are virtually 100% for certain Warp entities, the Old Ones almost definitely had nothing to do with them.
Not every advanced Xenos species is the "Old Ones". In a galaxy billions of years old, more technologically advanced civilizations should have existed beyond the Knife Ears, Necrontyr, Dark Age Humans, and the Space Toads.
@@MrTurbowhitey Actually there did exist other technological species during the times of the old ones and Necrontyr but as mentioned in a few books, most species(es?) Were wipes out during the massive war in heaven which burned almost literally the whole galaxy at its highest point, so in general there are always possibilities that these magical squats are a product of the old ones or were allies or something.
These Jawa psykers will be the bane of servitors and Adeptus Mechanicum tech priests, they will soon experience cases of missing toasters/arms/mechanic eyes etc
I always thought that the watchers in the dark were the original pre-human inhabitants of Caliban and its proximity to the eye of terror caused them to develop unique abilities to fighting chaos.
Wait. Could it be, the remnants of the old ones? Changed by their time in the maelstrom to allow them to aid the enemies of chaos. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Excellent video as always Inquisitor!
More likely from another dimension but perhaps the watchers bear the same role as the creators of life and just have lesser powers outside their own dimension.
I like to imagine the Watchers were going to destroy the Dark Angels to stop them from falling to heresy by Luthor, then one of the Dark Angels pat their head and now they love them.
The Warp is the reflection of all thought by psychic beings in the universe. The only thing that could be truly considered "anti-warp" would be ironically reality itself. Real Space or the Materium which unlike the Warp is not shaped by thought or belief but instead constant and unchanging laws of reality. This is why prior to the Great Rift, Daemons had a hard time manifesting in Warhammer 40k. Requiring elaborate rituals of mass sacrifice to tear the veil that separates the Warp from Real Space. So the idea of a so called "Anti-Warp" is completely unnecessary because it already exist and we live in it.
@@Anonymouzor Normally warp energy turned against chaos by intense focus or faith. Otherwise it is psychic Blanks or C'tan technology using their innate abilities to sever the connect between the Materium and the Immaterium.
Something I thought should be mentioned is that they saved Lion El'Johnson by putting him in stasis deep in the rock. Only the emperor knows this and considering their hatred for the warp, aiding the dark angels, and saving a primarch, I find it possible that they could be connected to The Emperor in some way.
1:58 the watchers are really Tomberrys from Final fantasy look at it he's so cute (just keep it away from the kitchens you dont want to see what they can do with chefs knifes)
Remleiz, I think you and I have some kind of mental connection. I can't count the times I've been thinking about the innumerable things in the 40k universe, then you make a video about it. Great work as usual.
Speaking of how the watchers are blanks of a sort, I wonder if human blanks can be Space Marines. And if so, can a Chapter be made of blank space marines? Also, as the warp reflects material space, could the watchers be reflections of feelings created by holding secrets? Maybe their null warp presence is a representation of their nature. And the reasons they help the Dark Angel's? Because no one in the grim dark is as secretive as the Dark Angels.
I remember a time Cypher's presence in one of Gav Thrope's novels surely rattled the Watchers enough for the Inner Circle to pay attention to his words after he turned himself in.
One being known to have even remotely similar visual features to a Watcher is the being known to the more secretive Imperial scholars as ‘Orko’, a talkative servant of the renegade human (and possible sensei) H*[REDACTED]*.
This actually makes a lot of sense, AFAIK Malal's whole thing was that he's an anti-chaos chaos god, so having the watchers being warp entities aligned with Malal would explain their distaste towards the other Chaos gods and since Malal's power is so much weaker than that of the other chaos gods it also makes sense that they'd see aiding the Imperium as the best way to fight against them.
Here is a theory. I can’t remember what book I think it was ‘First Heretic’ where all the traitor Primarchs arrived as infants on their respective home planets. The only Primarch that wasn’t confirmed an official traitor was Lionel El Johnson. Could it be that the Watchers presence or influence managed to thwart Chaos’ plans on him?
Zahariel was able to hear the watchers, and with his latent psyker senses, feel their presence before he saw them, implying they might be using a power like wraith-slip. Can they be detected with an auspex? Is it possible the watchers are hiding the Lion’s presence from the galaxy, even the Emperor?
The true source of the"Watchers in the Dark" are as known to The wider Galaxy as the exact date Caliban was colonized. But by the sound of it, they have been taking a vested interest in humanity since before the fall of the Golden Age. If they do see time as the video talks about, they could have seen what would EVENTUALLY be created on Caliban, and kept a silent vigil, with a light hand guiding the survivors of the original Caliban civilization to their eventual destiny.
Not gonna lie, the sight of something driving someone to madness always felt like an empty statement, to me. Same for driving even those with the strongest of wills mad, when someone like the occasional human can withstand it, while some random peasant might go mad from seeing a random pair of beady eyes in the night, even if it might just be some crow
"Time is 3 dimensional." It always made more sense to me that, rather than time not existing in the warp, time is multidimensional in the warp. That way different 1D projections of this same 3D time would move at different rates, in different directions, form loops, or even stand still. People just say time does not exist in the warp because our minds can't comprehend any nature to time other than a 1D straight line. (I can't visualize multidimendional time either. However, as a mathematician, I can let the rules of algebra, calculus, and vector spaces tell me how such a universe could operate.)
The warp is a psychic dimension. That means time doesn't exist there, rather the it's the ideas of time which exist there. It's concepts like past, present, future, duration, synchronicity, and repetition which are real in the warp. Likewise, time could have as many dimensions in the warp as you could imagine, because thinking it would make it so.
They're jailors to a giant serpent or worm that is in the core of Caliban. They make sure the taint of chaos is as low as possible. Source Angels of Caliban.
The Ouroboros the Tuchulcha, and the third unnamed "Engine" are relics of an advanced civilization. The "Watchers", whatever they really look like, could be an artificially created species made to be caretakers of the Engines.
@@missivory_missraine Well the Oroboros uses Zahariel to be free from the Imperium and it is said that this creature is a danger to the hole galaxy if it's unleashed. And this begs the question. Is it still alive and heavily wounded in the core of the rock or is it destroyed following the destruction of Caliban?
@@sk00b72 Which is a fair point and why the Engine plot hook was interesting. However I do hate the fact BL warped Astelans motives. (The dude was one of the original 5,000 Marines. He could give a single fuck less about Caliban outside of the orders from the Lion.
The watchers in the dark are the "interfaces" of the Warp Computer that the Lion Recovered. The reason they are seen in the past and future is because the computer is in the Warp and thus is time freed. The computer feared nothing and no one, except the Lion for some reason and it willingly served him. It was also capable of opening portals in the warp and time at will.. the point that it could link the bridge from a Dark Angel's ship to a Death Guard's ship. The reason they are diminutive is because they are children. The adeptus mechanicus tried various attempts to interface with the machine, it turns out only the body of children could survive it. From that moment onward because of the use of being somewhat omni-present and not bound by physical locations the robed, hunched, diminutive beings that no one understood who stood beside the throne of the Lion... watchers in the dark. I need to get the title of the book because I keep forgetting it. But yes..
I think the watchers are from another layer of space, different to the warp and real space altogether and have some kind of vested interest in combating chaos, perhaps it's effects in our universe effects theirs and they trying to help us defeat chaos so that it will end the damage being caused to their universe.
@@Commodore22345 what if we are the center universe where chaos and order can exist in unison and we are a battle ground for a war on an inter dimensional scale and the watchers are from the universe of order
@@Xenoprophet what if we are the center universe where chaos and order can exist in unison and we are a battle ground for a war on an inter dimensional scale and the watchers are from the universe of order
My personal guess is that they are a sort of Anti warp entity, to understand what I mean, think about it like this: We exist in a world of matter, but we have an antithesis called Anti matter and contact between the two destroy each other, what if the warp had it's own antithesis, that is weaker and smaller, like how anti matter seems to be less abundant than matter. This idea would explain the watchers as a sort of anti warp entity and those individuals with blank souls just have their souls tied to the anti warp. This would explain how enough warp energy can change a blank into a normal human by overrunning the blank soul until it bleeds into the warp, as evidenced in the Ravenor books with his personal blank. This would also explain how the watchers move without being tied to the warp, and why Demons feel their presence so fiercely against their own.
I am going with the Watchers being some warp hijinks by The Old Ones. They took on the appearance of small cloaked beings to reflect the Terrans that came to colonize Caliban.
the watchers are secretly pulling strings, in the book, azrael, during a promotion to chapter master ritual something happens with a watcher that makes clear the dark angel’s allegiance is more to the watcher’s than the emperor! the dark angel’s really have some secrets. great vid.
I think it has to do with time. I think they are originally creatures of the warp. Not of Chaos, but of the warp itself. They exist in all times and places simultaneously, so they portray all the attributes they have ever possessed all at the same time. This is how they can be both Blank and Psycher as well as how they move around. since they exist in all places and at all times it's just as likely they are in Tau space as they are in the Imperium.
“WHY OUT OF (smash) ALL THE WATCHERS (smash) IN (smash) THE (smash) DARK (smash), DOES MINE (smash) HAVE TO TALK (SMASH)!” -Supreme Grand Master Azrael, circa 999 M41.
I suspect they're beings from a higher order reality, able to interact with physical dimensions as well as spacetime in the same way we interact with three spatial dimemsions.
Extra-dimensional but not Warpy. There have been hints here and there that Reality doesn't just comprise of the known material universe and the Warp. There are Xenos in the Ghoul Stars that are described as 'supernatural' but not of Chaos, and so on.
Death Worlds kill their inhabitants like nothing. The folk of Fenris kill each other more than the planet does. The Space Wolves are made of a stock too wolfy to give a wolf about wolving death world fauna. They will wolfing wolf those giant wolves and make dog food of the climate. You cold drop more pansy chapters like the Dark Angles there and they'd promote it to death world.
@@squirrel_killer- that is f**king HILARIOUS. Ever read the Wiki on Space Wolves written by... Oh hell, I cant remember his name.....woof. woof, wolves and wolf.
@@iamalpharius9483 as a space wolves fan, I can tell you the wiki is nothing compared to the codex. Read that thing sometime it's... Well it's a bit much
I am now wondering if the Krorks had a superior form of Gretchen and if the watchers in the dark are just a really powerful sect of these Gretchen that didnt devolve like the krork did due to knowing many things about the warp, I will call them Wratchin and nobody will take me seriously ever again.
Quite possible they are a xenoform belonging to neither real space nor the warp. Dark Heresy: Radical's Handbook has a short story describing "the Harrowing" which came out of "the Echoing Vault" that came from another dimension other than the warp.
I don't know but they seem to be able to travel fast and seem to have a high enough tech level so I'm kinda wondering if it may be the remnants of the old ones or at least one of their creations :D
I like to picture them as evidence of a "Counter-Warp"... where the Warp, and entities therein, respond to emotion and passion, the Counter-Warp would repond to logic and rationality. This means a soul has two parts - mind and heart. Blanks are often said to be emotionless, but the fact that they can think and display concepts such as devotion (re: Ciaphas Cain's manservant, Gunner Ferik Jurgen) means there must be another nonbiological aspect somewhere. It's also entirely possible the Emperor's essence, the Starchild, has manifested itself in the Counter-Warp, in order to hide from the Ruinous Powers. Since almost every species in existence finds emotion and passion to be far more powerful than logic and clear thought, it would also explain why there are no major Powers from this Counter-Warp, only the Watchers in the Dark.
Sounds like a crop from the final part of one from the game Chaos Gate th-cam.com/video/f3jkpT9CSSg/w-d-xo.html from 1:40 onwards (the final section of the track)
It makes me wonder after watching this video, did the watchers destroy Caliban because of the chaotic taint that took hold before The Lion returned to his world? Then stick around to make sure chaos is dealt with whenever it shows up?
I think their the warp manifestation of calmness, resolution, something like that, and that what is seen as a blank-like aura of nullification around them is simply the result of a concentration of those emotions shaping the warp in unusual ways. IDK, thats just my headcannon.
Ah yes, the sons of 40K Bane have connections to them. | 1:44 - Pootini! | 3:27 - So it's only a matter of time before he reappears? I'm guessing that either Big Papa Ultrasmurf isn't aware of his exact location or he does and is willing to let him return on his own time. (although he had a tactical genius that was different to and rivalled his, he wasn't the most reliable to work with)
Hypothesis: they are another species genetically engineered or altered by the old ones, possibly towards the end of the war in heaven as chaos started to erupt in the warp. They were intended to counteract the effects of the old ones excesses (chaos) but since their creation came late in the war they were never proliferated throughout the galaxy.
short? stealthy? wear a lot of green cloaks? havers of all number of random shinies and nick-nacks?
hobbits. those are space hobbits
Aaaand my liking of the watchers increased by 200% now.
More like benevolent grimdark Jawa’s
Spobbits!!!!!
*Ratlings
Except, Hobbits DONT like to collect shinies and nicknacks. Please go read the Hobbit and LToR again. Bilbo and Frodo are HUUUUUGE exceptions to the cultural norm. You are thinking of Dragonlance and Kinder.
As a Deathknight of the Dark Angel, after multiple encounters with these Watchers... I'm convinced they work for the ancient Terran entity know as Santa, for they know if we've been nice or naughty...
Then the bigger question is, who is The Santa in 40k universe?
@@FrstSpctr88 do we want the answer? All races have a "santa" and chaos has four, nurgle being the nastiest bearer of gifts
FrstSpctr88 that’s inconsequential, just remember, you better watch out, you better not cry, cuz Santa is coming tonight... *charges Plasma Gun*
Wanderer bearer of “gifts”
@@wanderer8135 personnaly i prefer Santa Lucius ^^
I find it highly concerning the Dark Angels themselves don't have an exact answer to this question.
If they do, you _know_ they won't tell anyone.
What can you expect from a bunch of closet traitors hunting their own brethren?
That we know of.
Ask the Inquisition.
@@kelborhal2576 They know where Lion El Johnson is and Azreal doesn't. If they can keep that a secret from the Dark Angels. They can probably keep their true nature whatever it is hidden without much difficulty.
Dark Angel: *Fights Chaos*
Watcher in the Dark: "Help you I can"
Dark Angels = Chaos
Watchers in the dark=yoda
@@karlfranz310 Yoda = grot
@@Rishkar-Peema-Pants Chaos = Bitch
Are they small compared to men or just astartes? Yoda wouldn't make a demon run. "Hello, I'm the Doctor, your planet appears to have become a spaceship, which odd as it seems is not as rare as you'd think."
Their null warp presence is likely how they are keeping the fate of the lion hidden... if chaos and really the imperium cannot detect his life despite the fact he is sleeping, they probably keep him that way because the watchers know how the chaos gods would react if another Primarch were to rejoin the imperium.
WHOAH! I love this comment
evilbumblebee667 if guilliman is not a prime example for shit hitting the fan badly
The I can’t tell what would happen if lion comes back...
@Bazzralic in 40k the answer to that question is always yes
I love this comment ❤
Well he did come back
Obviously they are magical Squats.
Magical Squats...
Chaos Squats!!! HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@robertnelson9599 Eeeee-Viiiill!!!
i was thinking more like magical ratlings.
Dammit, came to the comments to say exactly the same thing! Too slow, again.
omg Yes!
Insane answer.
They are in-refuge Old Ones, trying to assist their greatest chance at victory.
I was thing maybe that, or one of their creations to fight the Necrons. The negative warp seems to imply otherwise though.
That's one of the things I was thinking. Ultimately, though, they're GW's Arthurian-ish Deus Ex Machina.
Ok but why help the dark angels and not the space wolves
@@wazzup1629 Because they aren't furry enough for the Wolves to accept.
Seems a bit beneath a ancient entity to be subject to carrying a helmet around?
I like to imagine these things as, for lack of better terms, 'Angels of the Dark'. The true 'Dark Angels' who watch over these space marines
Oooh I like this theory
watch over... secretly control...
same difference :P
That would imply Altruism. Which is as dead as Peace, Discovery, Innovation, Science, and Freewill. All are dead and buried in 40k, never to be seen again.
Niiiiice
@@tawnykyle-cm5eq god emperor I hope that one isn’t cannon
Maybe instead of nullifying warp, their true power is actually sucking in all warp energy in their immediate vicinity... like a kind of warp vampire. They hate the warp maybe because of their dependence on it and would seek to destroy it instead of revelling in it.
Oooooooh, thats a tasty brain nugget
But. Would they actually follow a similar principle like the Necron Nexi on Cadia?
Remleiz: “What are the Watchers in the Dark?”
Me: Adorable.
Best comment.
I don't get it.
Wait...Oh, it's a play on words, right?
Not it's because there is literally like 4 paragraphs of lore of the watchers appearing and communicating, like literally nothing to go off
An episode dedicated to the Cabal itself would be great. Maybe some speculation as to the other species that are part of it.
How about how someone who was supposed to be intelligent, falling for the absolute bullshit Grammaticus fed him. Alpharius believing the lies of the Cabal was and is one of the worst written reasons as to why the Alpha Legion rebelled.
If my eyes aren’t tricking me, the Cabal has Necrons in it, I second this episode request
@@MrTurbowhitey Being shown the future (in fact more than merely shown, but felt and experienced, as the book describes) is a far, far cry than someone telling you something and subsequently believing it.
@@SangTheCryptek he was shown A future, not THE Future. And as we all know, a future that was total bullshit.
@@MrTurbowhitey not one that was total bs, but one that through knowing made them over confident and led to the future we now have in 40k , "in knowing future one does try to understand the strings and gears needed to truly enact said future as it has already been shown to them, in seeing it they blinded themselves to the truth, a choice is required in all things, if one only follows and does not choose they will always fail"
Maybe the Watchers aren't Daemons but rather just Warp-born creatures, not unlike Enslavers, with their Blank-like invisibility towards other Warp-Entities just being some sort of "natural" Camouflage. Think Octupi or various Insects here on Earth, just Sapient and with added Warp-Weirdness, allowing the Watchers to stay hidden from daemonic predators.
This would also explain how they are able to stay in the material world, without any Warp Portals or host bodies that Daemons usually need to maintain a physical form, as they are just a material species that evolved in the Immaterium, again, similar to the Enslavers, if different in nature.
Caliban seems to have been an Artificial satellite created to house the Ouroboros and the *Tuchulcha* those things that they call the Watchers could be an Artificial species created as caretakers. It could also explain how Caliban became a Death World, as I SERIOUSLY doubt Dark Age humans would colonize a Death World intentionally.
There is one thing we already know what is madness inducing when looked at, but not by Chaos or the warp or all it's playgrounds.
It is said that they are madness inducing because they and their... followers? spawns? underlings? Bah! ..., because they show those that look upon them the truth, pure unadultered truth, the truth that one doesn't count. That one is as insignificant, everyone is as insignificant in the grand time of cosmos... And the Elder Beings, the Old Ones that shielded and fought against them. Against these beings of Order.
Your the best at breaking down some of the more esoteric 40k lore.
"We are the watchers in the dark"
"Ni!"
"Shhh! Do not say it! Ahh! I said it! Ahh! I said it again! Ahhh!!!"
Could they be creatures of the pre chaos warp? The null effect being simply a calming effect of uncorrupted warp energy?
I would agree except that creatures with such power would probably want to bring the warp back to it’s original state, and therefore would have little to no reason to be with the dark angels, especially considering the how distrusting the dark angels are unless some part of the dark angels are required to complete their goal.
... Could they be to Eldar what Ratlings are to humans?
I mean probably not, but, the idea of Eldar having divergent sub-species in WH40K just like humans is now interesting to me.
Isn't that what those big ugly sludge monsters who worship some of the Eldar gods are supposed to be?
@@Luciffrit I'm not deeply familiar enough with 40K lore to know what you're referring to, I admit.
@@firockfinion3326 I think they're called the Hrud? 40k theories has done a video on them before. They are the furtherest thing you could think of from an Eldar.
@@Luciffrit After checking the video on Hrud, it does kind of sound like Hrud were maybe once Eldar that got horrifically mutated, yeah.
The God of the Greater God, Isha, The Emperor, Ynnead, and now The Watchers in the Dark. It appears that GOOD Forces of Chaos are starting to rise.
I can't wait for this universe's version of sigmar squad
Ah shit here we go again
The "Greater Good" is a synonym for slavery
Isha is the literal reason why so many planets are infected by fatasses plagues.
Ynnead is supposed to arrive when the Eldar are basically dead
And the Watchers in the Dark are more suspicious than the Dark Angels, and that's saying something.
The Emperor is good?
@@captainanopheles4307 I see your point.
"OF! ALL! THE! WATCHERS! ON! THE! ROCK! WHY! DO I! GET! ONE! THAT! TALKS!"
*repeadtedly stomping said talking watcher*
Because you are completely insane. And you have been sentenced to be gun down by several inquisitors.
OUT. OF. ALL. THE. WATCHERS. IN. THE. ROCK. WHY. DO. I. GET. ONE. THAT. TALKS!
Was searching for this reference
"Azrael! There's blood all over the floor now! I really don't want to get that on my armour.
It's all murky, probably stain easily"
From a decoded vox recording obtained by the Blood Ravens, of Traitor Primarch Konrad Curze (estimated to be shortly before his possible assassination):
"I've been asked, what pissed off the Lion when I last spoke with him, as we were initially on good speaking terms when we met, despite being foes in Horus' hissy fit. I asked him, I just needed to know how he scored his Jawas. 'I KEEP TELLING YOU, YOU CRAZY F__K, THEY'RE NOT JAWAS DAMMIT!' he shouted back.
"'Well, I mean Orko here does look like-' and it went downhill after he cut me off, then tried to cut me.
"O Lion-O, you can be a biatchy thunderkitty when pushed."
in a night lords hideout
sevatar after watching it:...huh. weird. *calls cypher*
cypher:wasssssup sev
sev:hey uh question your a dark angel right? you got any clue what the fuck the watchers in the dark are
cypher:not really,why?
sev:well after stealing and watching a vox recording concerning our dads konrad asked lion what the actual hell are these star wars jawa motherfuckers i figured,ya know being a mysterious and surprisingly smart bastard youd know something
cypher:i mean i could infiltrate the dark angels and ask. anyway,bye
Ascended oompa loompas
LMAO
Oompa Loompa Doopity Doop
I sense heresy inside of you
Your heresy offends the corpse God ahem I mean the emperor
Don't you mean -Primaris-?
There is a simple answer as to what they might be, we have through the Heresy confirmed that the Watchers have Guarded the Ouroboros (Daemon within Caliban) since the planet was formed. In all likelihood the watchers are an evolutionary off-shoot of the Old Ones, specifically due to their negative psionic presence and ability to travel between the corporeal realm and the warp. If you consider that even within your own video they spoke of cultivating the civilization on Caliban, doesn't sound extremely similar to how the Old Ones were "Cultivating species" for their wars and experiments?
Warsmith Dmitry(Phobos Tir) Freyger awaits your reply Philosoraptor...
Either that or they are something like the Old Ones.
Except the Old Ones needed the Webway to travel far distances, I also find it hard to believe that they've been so unsuccessful in combating Chaos if they can breed like anything else, or that they are only found in Caliban. Surely any of the Old Ones that remain would have made sure the Watchers could spread, breed, and make it own that they stand in direct opposition to Chaos (arguably the biggest threat). Surely they would be everywhere if they had access to the Webway and space travel. Add to this the fact that they are virtually 100% for certain Warp entities, the Old Ones almost definitely had nothing to do with them.
Scary Jawa psyckers...
Not every advanced Xenos species is the "Old Ones". In a galaxy billions of years old, more technologically advanced civilizations should have existed beyond the Knife Ears, Necrontyr, Dark Age Humans, and the Space Toads.
@@MrTurbowhitey Actually there did exist other technological species during the times of the old ones and Necrontyr but as mentioned in a few books, most species(es?) Were wipes out during the massive war in heaven which burned almost literally the whole galaxy at its highest point, so in general there are always possibilities that these magical squats are a product of the old ones or were allies or something.
You've heard of the lollipop guild ? Well this is the licorice league .
Ugh
Go back to sleep Sanguinius, you've eaten too many warp-burgers!
FrstSpctr88 mmmm Heretic Böager
Buddy when you gona go back to "Saving the Galaxy" job?
league of licorice
They're probably the last project of the Old Ones designed to fight the Enslaver Plague. They were just too little too late.
who will watch the Watchers? and who do the Watchers watch?
woah.... that's *deep.*
oh and... The Emperor broke before Caliban did!! Caliban Stands!!
Who watches the Watchmen
For me they are super cute mini squires for the champions of the chapter
Did i sense heresy on your word ?
Who watches the watchers who watch the watchmen?
Heresy
Jawa Psychers incapable of being harmed by "normal" means......
Like ANY weapon in 40k would ever make it onto a "Normal" list.
These Jawa psykers will be the bane of servitors and Adeptus Mechanicum tech priests, they will soon experience cases of missing toasters/arms/mechanic eyes etc
See, this dude gets it?
@@williamward4117 they will be lighting more incense and rubbing more oil on each other than catchimg those little MFers for SURE.
Wonder if the stryxis can hurt them
I wonder if a cyclone missel battery could hurt them.
I always thought that the watchers in the dark were the original pre-human inhabitants of Caliban and its proximity to the eye of terror caused them to develop unique abilities to fighting chaos.
Wait. Could it be, the remnants of the old ones? Changed by their time in the maelstrom to allow them to aid the enemies of chaos. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Excellent video as always Inquisitor!
Your putting far too much thought into it. Even more than any BL writer
More likely from another dimension but perhaps the watchers bear the same role as the creators of life and just have lesser powers outside their own dimension.
I like to imagine the Watchers were going to destroy the Dark Angels to stop them from falling to heresy by Luthor, then one of the Dark Angels pat their head and now they love them.
The thumbnail reminds me of Jawas...
could the watchers in the dark be ANTI warp?
being made of negative warp energies as a result of some natural balancing act of the universe?
Pretty sure that doesnt exist, they could at most be extreme psychic nulls
The Warp is the reflection of all thought by psychic beings in the universe. The only thing that could be truly considered "anti-warp" would be ironically reality itself. Real Space or the Materium which unlike the Warp is not shaped by thought or belief but instead constant and unchanging laws of reality. This is why prior to the Great Rift, Daemons had a hard time manifesting in Warhammer 40k. Requiring elaborate rituals of mass sacrifice to tear the veil that separates the Warp from Real Space. So the idea of a so called "Anti-Warp" is completely unnecessary because it already exist and we live in it.
@@zenoblues7787 but what is negative warp energies then?
@@Anonymouzor Normally warp energy turned against chaos by intense focus or faith. Otherwise it is psychic Blanks or C'tan technology using their innate abilities to sever the connect between the Materium and the Immaterium.
you may not be to far off. we do have matter and anti matter, so there could be actual anti warp beings on purpose instead of genetic deviations
They're space fae, the more I hear details about them, that's all I can come to. Maybe their origins are something like 4th/5th Dimensional beings.
Okay, what if they're not "Space Jawas" but even more scarily "Space Ewoks"
I feel like adding space to Jawas is redundant
@@magoswes3588 Force Ghost Forest Jawas
Something I thought should be mentioned is that they saved Lion El'Johnson by putting him in stasis deep in the rock. Only the emperor knows this and considering their hatred for the warp, aiding the dark angels, and saving a primarch, I find it possible that they could be connected to The Emperor in some way.
They're demons of the warp entities of Law (rather than chaos)
Pretty great video. Watchers of the Dark sounds like an interesting topic. They look like Jawas
I know they could kill me or drive me mad, but they're so cute!!!
1:58 the watchers are really Tomberrys from Final fantasy look at it he's so cute (just keep it away from the kitchens you dont want to see what they can do with chefs knifes)
Remleiz, I think you and I have some kind of mental connection. I can't count the times I've been thinking about the innumerable things in the 40k universe, then you make a video about it. Great work as usual.
They're...Hoodlums...
...I'll show myself out.
TheMemphisxlr8 No. No you stay and take responsibility for that pun. Own it.
Very well: I take full responsibility for this pun.
@@TheMemphisxlr8 Asmodai....make him repent.
Speaking of how the watchers are blanks of a sort, I wonder if human blanks can be Space Marines. And if so, can a Chapter be made of blank space marines?
Also, as the warp reflects material space, could the watchers be reflections of feelings created by holding secrets? Maybe their null warp presence is a representation of their nature. And the reasons they help the Dark Angel's? Because no one in the grim dark is as secretive as the Dark Angels.
Could be the ascended forms of the Old Ones, survivors from the war in heaven.
No. I got it. They're all Orco from the He-man cartoon series. Lol
I remember a time Cypher's presence in one of Gav Thrope's novels surely rattled the Watchers enough for the Inner Circle to pay attention to his words after he turned himself in.
One being known to have even remotely similar visual features to a Watcher is the being known to the more secretive Imperial scholars as ‘Orko’, a talkative servant of the renegade human (and possible sensei) H*[REDACTED]*.
They're working for Malal/Malice the greatest of Chaos Gods who has actually edited himself out of existence to be ultimately chaotic 😂
This actually makes a lot of sense, AFAIK Malal's whole thing was that he's an anti-chaos chaos god, so having the watchers being warp entities aligned with Malal would explain their distaste towards the other Chaos gods and since Malal's power is so much weaker than that of the other chaos gods it also makes sense that they'd see aiding the Imperium as the best way to fight against them.
Here is a theory. I can’t remember what book I think it was ‘First Heretic’ where all the traitor Primarchs arrived as infants on their respective home planets. The only Primarch that wasn’t confirmed an official traitor was Lionel El Johnson. Could it be that the Watchers presence or influence managed to thwart Chaos’ plans on him?
So some of them lived?
Good, us *[STATIC]* were beggining to fear that they were wiped out.
Zahariel was able to hear the watchers, and with his latent psyker senses, feel their presence before he saw them, implying they might be using a power like wraith-slip. Can they be detected with an auspex? Is it possible the watchers are hiding the Lion’s presence from the galaxy, even the Emperor?
Give out some valuable relics, tiny and helpful, it couldn’t be, could it?............
SQUATS!?!?!?!?!?
Was having a bad day, then I see this. Love the Watchers!
The true source of the"Watchers in the Dark" are as known to The wider Galaxy as the exact date Caliban was colonized. But by the sound of it, they have been taking a vested interest in humanity since before the fall of the Golden Age.
If they do see time as the video talks about, they could have seen what would EVENTUALLY be created on Caliban, and kept a silent vigil, with a light hand guiding the survivors of the original Caliban civilization to their eventual destiny.
The watchers are the lions personal weed rollers. Hes not sleeping.... just really stoned :D
Ok, to anny artists out there, I really want to see this obese version of Fulgrim mentioned at about 14:10
Not gonna lie, the sight of something driving someone to madness always felt like an empty statement, to me. Same for driving even those with the strongest of wills mad, when someone like the occasional human can withstand it, while some random peasant might go mad from seeing a random pair of beady eyes in the night, even if it might just be some crow
"Time is 3 dimensional."
It always made more sense to me that, rather than time not existing in the warp, time is multidimensional in the warp.
That way different 1D projections of this same 3D time would move at different rates, in different directions, form loops, or even stand still.
People just say time does not exist in the warp because our minds can't comprehend any nature to time other than a 1D straight line.
(I can't visualize multidimendional time either. However, as a mathematician, I can let the rules of algebra, calculus, and vector spaces tell me how such a universe could operate.)
The warp is a psychic dimension. That means time doesn't exist there, rather the it's the ideas of time which exist there. It's concepts like past, present, future, duration, synchronicity, and repetition which are real in the warp. Likewise, time could have as many dimensions in the warp as you could imagine, because thinking it would make it so.
They're jailors to a giant serpent or worm that is in the core of Caliban. They make sure the taint of chaos is as low as possible.
Source Angels of Caliban.
Oroboros?
@@PhantorumPrime117 It is assumed they do indeed keep humans out of the hands of Oroboros or other creatures that keep people away (The Great Beasts)
The Ouroboros the Tuchulcha, and the third unnamed "Engine" are relics of an advanced civilization. The "Watchers", whatever they really look like, could be an artificially created species made to be caretakers of the Engines.
@@missivory_missraine Well the Oroboros uses Zahariel to be free from the Imperium and it is said that this creature is a danger to the hole galaxy if it's unleashed. And this begs the question. Is it still alive and heavily wounded in the core of the rock or is it destroyed following the destruction of Caliban?
@@sk00b72 Which is a fair point and why the Engine plot hook was interesting. However I do hate the fact BL warped Astelans motives. (The dude was one of the original 5,000 Marines. He could give a single fuck less about Caliban outside of the orders from the Lion.
Dark Angels "Death to Xenos". Also Dark Angels, happy to let Xenos wander around their fortress willy nilly
Why did you decide to change your intro from the Chaos Gate version of Iter In Infernos to the Stringstorm version?
I second this. That offbeat snare kills me every time
Probably because of copyright shenanigans
The watchers in the dark are the "interfaces" of the Warp Computer that the Lion Recovered. The reason they are seen in the past and future is because the computer is in the Warp and thus is time freed. The computer feared nothing and no one, except the Lion for some reason and it willingly served him. It was also capable of opening portals in the warp and time at will.. the point that it could link the bridge from a Dark Angel's ship to a Death Guard's ship. The reason they are diminutive is because they are children. The adeptus mechanicus tried various attempts to interface with the machine, it turns out only the body of children could survive it. From that moment onward because of the use of being somewhat omni-present and not bound by physical locations the robed, hunched, diminutive beings that no one understood who stood beside the throne of the Lion... watchers in the dark. I need to get the title of the book because I keep forgetting it. But yes..
What if the Watchers evolved within the Webway as opposed to the Warp?
I think the watchers are from another layer of space, different to the warp and real space altogether and have some kind of vested interest in combating chaos, perhaps it's effects in our universe effects theirs and they trying to help us defeat chaos so that it will end the damage being caused to their universe.
I was just thinking this, is a plane exists in opposition to the warp, would it be considered order?
@@Commodore22345 what if we are the center universe where chaos and order can exist in unison and we are a battle ground for a war on an inter dimensional scale and the watchers are from the universe of order
@@Xenoprophet what if we are the center universe where chaos and order can exist in unison and we are a battle ground for a war on an inter dimensional scale and the watchers are from the universe of order
How about the dimensions that the c'tan use for their powers, would those work?
My personal guess is that they are a sort of Anti warp entity, to understand what I mean, think about it like this: We exist in a world of matter, but we have an antithesis called Anti matter and contact between the two destroy each other, what if the warp had it's own antithesis, that is weaker and smaller, like how anti matter seems to be less abundant than matter. This idea would explain the watchers as a sort of anti warp entity and those individuals with blank souls just have their souls tied to the anti warp. This would explain how enough warp energy can change a blank into a normal human by overrunning the blank soul until it bleeds into the warp, as evidenced in the Ravenor books with his personal blank. This would also explain how the watchers move without being tied to the warp, and why Demons feel their presence so fiercely against their own.
I am going with the Watchers being some warp hijinks by The Old Ones. They took on the appearance of small cloaked beings to reflect the Terrans that came to colonize Caliban.
Considering the Dark Angels color scheme, they are obviously Yoda.
They are all Orkos if Orko wasn't a comic relief. Not to mention not having problems with their powers.
So, Azrael probably didn't need to kick Snurko, as it was likely aimed telepathically to Azrael, Asmodai and Belial...
Could be from that other dimension that keeps being vaguely hinted about
It's the 40k writers desire to have their own version of Ewoks... Thats literally it.
It was great when Eldrad straight up prison shanked Gahet after tricking him into attacking Barthusa.
Yup, we need an episode on the Cabal now.
Finally someone made a lore video on the watchers
the watchers are secretly pulling strings, in the book, azrael, during a promotion to chapter master ritual something happens with a watcher that makes clear the dark angel’s allegiance is more to the watcher’s than the emperor! the dark angel’s really have some secrets. great vid.
i want a Monster Hunter game thats just every day life on caliban.
I think it has to do with time. I think they are originally creatures of the warp. Not of Chaos, but of the warp itself. They exist in all times and places simultaneously, so they portray all the attributes they have ever possessed all at the same time. This is how they can be both Blank and Psycher as well as how they move around. since they exist in all places and at all times it's just as likely they are in Tau space as they are in the Imperium.
“WHY OUT OF (smash) ALL THE WATCHERS (smash) IN (smash) THE (smash) DARK (smash), DOES MINE (smash) HAVE TO TALK (SMASH)!” -Supreme Grand Master Azrael, circa 999 M41.
I suspect they're beings from a higher order reality, able to interact with physical dimensions as well as spacetime in the same way we interact with three spatial dimemsions.
Kinda like the c'tan
Extra-dimensional but not Warpy. There have been hints here and there that Reality doesn't just comprise of the known material universe and the Warp. There are Xenos in the Ghoul Stars that are described as 'supernatural' but not of Chaos, and so on.
It's the super warp!
Caliban is classified as a Death World but Fenriz is only a Feral World?
Thats HILARIOUS.
Death Worlds kill their inhabitants like nothing. The folk of Fenris kill each other more than the planet does. The Space Wolves are made of a stock too wolfy to give a wolf about wolving death world fauna. They will wolfing wolf those giant wolves and make dog food of the climate. You cold drop more pansy chapters like the Dark Angles there and they'd promote it to death world.
@@squirrel_killer- that is f**king HILARIOUS. Ever read the Wiki on Space Wolves written by...
Oh hell, I cant remember his name.....woof. woof, wolves and wolf.
@@iamalpharius9483 as a space wolves fan, I can tell you the wiki is nothing compared to the codex. Read that thing sometime it's... Well it's a bit much
I am now wondering if the Krorks had a superior form of Gretchen and if the watchers in the dark are just a really powerful sect of these Gretchen that didnt devolve like the krork did due to knowing many things about the warp, I will call them Wratchin and nobody will take me seriously ever again.
Young Lion meeting watchers in the dark
Lion “Hmm you aren’t trying to eat me ...... going to have you guys around “
Quite possible they are a xenoform belonging to neither real space nor the warp. Dark Heresy: Radical's Handbook has a short story describing "the Harrowing" which came out of "the Echoing Vault" that came from another dimension other than the warp.
"OF. ALL. THE. FUCKIN. WATCHERS. IN. THE. ROCK. WHY. DO I. GET. THE. ONE. THAT. TALKS!!!!"
-Azrael
😅
Did you know that GW officially called them "Legions Astartes" before they implemented the more esoteric sounding "Legiones" in High Gothic.
The Watchers in the Dark are Squats.
They look like Jawas though
I don't know but they seem to be able to travel fast and seem to have a high enough tech level so I'm kinda wondering if it may be the remnants of the old ones or at least one of their creations :D
I like to picture them as evidence of a "Counter-Warp"... where the Warp, and entities therein, respond to emotion and passion, the Counter-Warp would repond to logic and rationality. This means a soul has two parts - mind and heart. Blanks are often said to be emotionless, but the fact that they can think and display concepts such as devotion (re: Ciaphas Cain's manservant, Gunner Ferik Jurgen) means there must be another nonbiological aspect somewhere. It's also entirely possible the Emperor's essence, the Starchild, has manifested itself in the Counter-Warp, in order to hide from the Ruinous Powers. Since almost every species in existence finds emotion and passion to be far more powerful than logic and clear thought, it would also explain why there are no major Powers from this Counter-Warp, only the Watchers in the Dark.
I always wonder but never ask; what's the intro song?
Sounds like a crop from the final part of one from the game Chaos Gate th-cam.com/video/f3jkpT9CSSg/w-d-xo.html from 1:40 onwards (the final section of the track)
“Empers tempers Azriel, did you that? We’re totally going to find Cypher now!”
Kwite: I am the only sentient hoodie.
Gamesworkshop: There are more than you know.
Just finished reading Descent of Angels the other day. It had me wondering about this.
Appreciate your content.
It makes me wonder after watching this video, did the watchers destroy Caliban because of the chaotic taint that took hold before The Lion returned to his world? Then stick around to make sure chaos is dealt with whenever it shows up?
How do we know they aren't creatures of Chaos themselves?
@@zenoblues7787 They just might be. Remliez makes me think that they are "good" chaotic beings though.
I think their the warp manifestation of calmness, resolution, something like that, and that what is seen as a blank-like aura of nullification around them is simply the result of a concentration of those emotions shaping the warp in unusual ways.
IDK, thats just my headcannon.
Ah yes, the sons of 40K Bane have connections to them. | 1:44 - Pootini! | 3:27 - So it's only a matter of time before he reappears? I'm guessing that either Big Papa Ultrasmurf isn't aware of his exact location or he does and is willing to let him return on his own time. (although he had a tactical genius that was different to and rivalled his, he wasn't the most reliable to work with)
So uh... were the Watchers the ones who gave Cypher the broken parts of the Lion Blade?
You'd think they'd find cooler dudes to hang out with.
Hypothesis: they are another species genetically engineered or altered by the old ones, possibly towards the end of the war in heaven as chaos started to erupt in the warp. They were intended to counteract the effects of the old ones excesses (chaos) but since their creation came late in the war they were never proliferated throughout the galaxy.
Grimdark version of Orko from He-Man and the Masters of the Universe?
Great video 40k Theories.