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    00:00 S9 Ep2 The Voice
    00:19 S9 Ep16 The Doorman
    00:48 S1 Ep5 The Stock Tip
    01:18 S9 Ep2 The Voice
    02:32 S3 Ep14 The Pez Dispenser
    03:32 S5 Ep10 The Cigar Store Indian
    04:29 S6 Ep16 The Doorman
    05:20 S5 Ep19 The Raincoats
    06:16 S8 Ep14 The Van Buren Boys
    07:04 S8 Ep9 The Abstinence
    07:18 S8 Ep21 The Muffin Tops
    08:22 S7 Ep21 The Bottle Deposit
    09:44 S9 Ep2 The Voice
    10:30 S6 Ep16 The Doorman
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  • @Lius525
    @Lius525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +913

    "Bra is for the ladies, meet Bro", that's literally how all the male grooming and hygiene products are marketed these days 😂

    • @lynnturman8157
      @lynnturman8157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      summer nights

    • @nthgth
      @nthgth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Any company would jump at the chance to double the sales of one of their products, of course

    • @GABRIELADAWSON
      @GABRIELADAWSON ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I Like the MANZIERE lol or better yet....THE BROZIERE!!!!.

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Reverse the wording, that's how they market ladies grooming products.

    • @GABRIELADAWSON
      @GABRIELADAWSON ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It’s called PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING My Friend that’s why.

  • @scsmith4604
    @scsmith4604 ปีที่แล้ว +314

    Kramer is the only guy that can make a sports jacket and bowling shirt combination look like it makes sense.

    • @KA-eu9sy
      @KA-eu9sy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      White socks. Black shoes.

  • @themayer180
    @themayer180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +739

    I just think Kramer lived in the wrong decade. Imagine these ideas in a world with Shark Tank.

    • @FatGouf
      @FatGouf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      He'd be escorted out before he evne gives the first pitch.

    • @Michelle-pn9xt
      @Michelle-pn9xt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He is still alive. What are you talking about? His ideas are bad.

    • @doctorrpg6255
      @doctorrpg6255 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@Michelle-pn9xt I mean the Beach smelling cologne was a great idea. It was actually stolen by Calvin Klein (in the show).

    • @Beefer-e4j
      @Beefer-e4j 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Michelle-pn9xt well, you missed the joke, humor etc. chill literal Lauren

    • @ryanhalvorsen6497
      @ryanhalvorsen6497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      With all the leg work he does?? The sharks would jump on any idea 😆

  • @SangreTarasco
    @SangreTarasco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    I too want to work for Kramerica Industries. Kramer's ideas are on another level.

    • @blairbrown4812
      @blairbrown4812 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's probably what the world says every time Elon Musk opens his mouth, or posts on Twitter.

  • @vaadaenmacchi
    @vaadaenmacchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    The beach perfume and the bro were admittedly good ideas

  • @jonathansalazar4630
    @jonathansalazar4630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +346

    Kramerica is the live action equal to ACME from loony tunes lol

    • @wvu05
      @wvu05 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Imagine my joy when finding out that Acme is an actual chain of grocery stores.

    • @jonathansalazar4630
      @jonathansalazar4630 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wvu05 lol really?

    • @Kawazak23
      @Kawazak23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brilliant

    • @samsonhendrixiii3933
      @samsonhendrixiii3933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ACME, at least, has shiitty factory somewhere actually producing the crap they promote😅

    • @wvu05
      @wvu05 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jonathansalazar4630 In Pennsylvania and New Jersey at least.

  • @doct0rnic
    @doct0rnic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I love how Mr. Lippmann loved the coffee table book and Elaine was shut down instantly

  • @pandam9638
    @pandam9638 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Darren is such a devoted worker.
    And Kramer is a professional, Conceivably.

    • @SuperN1ntendoChalmers
      @SuperN1ntendoChalmers หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's too bad that he ended up in jail taking the blame for Karmer's shenanigans.

  • @lynnturman8157
    @lynnturman8157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +230

    It's a fine line between Kramer and Jeff Bezos.

  • @indianeconomy2738
    @indianeconomy2738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    "This is the kind of ideas you should be coming in with"
    The problem is that Kramer set a very high standard and no one else can match it

    • @andrewbaranich1548
      @andrewbaranich1548 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "I'm still shopping it around."

  • @alepine1986
    @alepine1986 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    "It's like they're addicted." Lmao.

  • @dizzy1369
    @dizzy1369 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Kramer and George should have been business partners, the combined ideas they could have come up with 😂🤣🤣

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    “ And with Darren‘s help we’ll get that chicken.”
    -Kramer

    • @yaronkl
      @yaronkl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He's a Go-Getter

    • @justme-hh4vp
      @justme-hh4vp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yo' fly is undone...

    • @mr.l8723
      @mr.l8723 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Their business motto

    • @rja9784
      @rja9784 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember when he said that on the shoe and then you said it again in a comment on TH-cam

    • @ToddyTornado
      @ToddyTornado 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yo fly is open

  • @FathomlessJoy
    @FathomlessJoy หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Newman not ecognizing the postal code for Michgan calls everything I know about Kramerica into question.

  • @waxedearth5425
    @waxedearth5425 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Seinfeld on TH-cam is a national treasure

  • @FathomlessJoy
    @FathomlessJoy หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The dude saying he still must discuss the bro-zier deal with his boss. Kramer saying, "Of course, yes." Like Kramer knows how big business deals are forged 👌

  • @christophersuswal9544
    @christophersuswal9544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I never noticed George laughing after Jerry was trying to get Claire's attention to move before the oil ball dropped. "HELLLLOOOOOO" was officially back right there

  • @yaronkl
    @yaronkl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    It all sounds very glamorous, but it's Business As Usual at Kramerica

  • @US_John
    @US_John ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Kramer lives a life everybody everyone of us dream off.

    • @inthewoodshed9611
      @inthewoodshed9611 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think I might be a female version of Kramer

  • @uneedtherapy42
    @uneedtherapy42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    1:31 probably my favorite Kramer moment of all time

  • @beaubergeron6369
    @beaubergeron6369 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Even in its final season, this show was still churning out classics.

    • @themonsterunderyourbed9408
      @themonsterunderyourbed9408 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'd argue the last 3 seasons are the best (apart from the finale).

  • @ARKHAMxMaverick
    @ARKHAMxMaverick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    It might be capricious, but I still support Kramer's bladder system.

    • @bink
      @bink 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Capricious AND arbitrary

    • @jdhstrategies2454
      @jdhstrategies2454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Your fly is open

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel like the ball of oil should've been inside a drum for it to have been a proper test.

  • @christopherhogbring7771
    @christopherhogbring7771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    They should show this at business school.

    • @doct0rnic
      @doct0rnic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      He really is a good example of doing what ever it takes to try to make it, not afraid to take risks

  • @silverbolbo
    @silverbolbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I can't believe they stole "The beach" idea from Kramer !

  • @raddastronaut
    @raddastronaut ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It’s a show about nothing but blurs the lines of tv and reality. 😂😂 the 25% agreement is hilarious.

  • @presntnow
    @presntnow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Did I tell you this guys a little Bonkers!?....He Really Is!!!" Regis

  • @captainfordo9696
    @captainfordo9696 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Kramer predicted the combination things Heinz is doing now at 2:26

  • @BigJoe2.0
    @BigJoe2.0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Kramer let so many opportunities to be rich go lol. Especially with him settling on bad deals with his lawsuits

  • @jasonlacroix6083
    @jasonlacroix6083 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Ketchup and mustard in the same bottle.
    Just think of all the time that would open up in people's lives?

    • @nthgth
      @nthgth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's really not bad, tons of people use both on the same things and they'd still sell separate bottles to the rest of us

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think they have that now.

  • @JeffJK000
    @JeffJK000 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Imagine what Kramer would come up with, with todays information and technology.

  • @Mr.PauloSica
    @Mr.PauloSica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    They should make a Kramer Chronicles show. it would be amazing

  • @kurtdahle
    @kurtdahle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    its amazing how much better of an actor michael became after the first cpl seasons

    • @reubinthomas
      @reubinthomas ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Definitely. He is a little awkward in the first season.

    • @kurtdahle
      @kurtdahle ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@reubinthomas just playing stanley spudowski

    • @reubinthomas
      @reubinthomas ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kurtdahle Lol. Never knew about this character. Now that I watched a couple of clips I can see similarities.

    • @liambeamer1883
      @liambeamer1883 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He just hadn't found the character yet. He was playing him a bit too out there. You see it with some characters in long running shows

    • @nthgth
      @nthgth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's also plausible in-universe that Kramer just got better at interacting with people. Gained confidence and grew more social.
      I guess character development in general.

  • @gonkdroid8279
    @gonkdroid8279 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    We need a coffee table book on coffee tables

    • @moe6
      @moe6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      With coffee table legs

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@moe6 And a built in coaster.

  • @Sinna94
    @Sinna94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    There actually is an $80 perfume called Beach by Bobbi Brown and according to Fragrantica, its fragrance notes include sea water and sand!

  • @the6ig6adwolf
    @the6ig6adwolf ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When you do what you love you'll never work a day in your life.
    Kramer really felt that.

  • @DhooomKetu
    @DhooomKetu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Kramer is the first entrepreneur of the world 😂

  • @BernieMadoff-qv5in
    @BernieMadoff-qv5in 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    “Ya know selling bras exclusively to women, we’re really only utilizing 50% of the market.”

  • @machavellicheese5556
    @machavellicheese5556 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love how Newman and Kramer have all of one day to round up the bottles to return for deposit $$ in Michigan.

    • @joemckim1183
      @joemckim1183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And the idea is they have so much mail going to Michigan they need an extra mail truck but if they need to take so much mail to Michigan how would they have any room left for all of their bottles? And I doubt the post office is delivering male across several states in regular mail trucks.

  • @conradsieber7883
    @conradsieber7883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ironically the beach Cologne is a good idea. My skin smelled it's best after swimming in the ocean...

  • @Bobombkaboom
    @Bobombkaboom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "Bro vs Manzier" makes me think of "relaxitaxi vs relaxicab".

  • @Overly_Hydrated
    @Overly_Hydrated 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Is $750 for a book contract actually a good deal? I’m surprised he didn’t ask for royalties.

    • @MisaelMatute76
      @MisaelMatute76 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For someone who has never written a book, probably...

    • @BinaryBard64
      @BinaryBard64 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's called ghost writing. They normally don't make lots of money anyway, but Kramer is known for making silly deals.

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@BinaryBard64 He had air tight cases against both a coffee house and the tobacco industry and he traded for a lifetime supply of coffee and his own billboard, respectively.

  • @M-David-Hakoh
    @M-David-Hakoh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    That tie dispenser is actually not such a bad idea

    • @joemckim1183
      @joemckim1183 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The problem with that is not that many jobs require people to wear suits unless they're lawyers.

  • @ikelove6784
    @ikelove6784 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would have compromised with "brozere"

  • @Zigidy
    @Zigidy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ha. I love how the real life Kramer capitalized on the Kramer character from Seinfeld and created a bus tour in real life. And so the show wrote that into an episode. So many layers. Brilliant.

  • @holeindanssock156
    @holeindanssock156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Seinfeld best show ever?
    Id say probably.....

    • @holeindanssock156
      @holeindanssock156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for pin. Coming from official channel.... I feel blessed. Is Larry around? I have a great recipe for omelettes. Take care.

  • @pradeepshetty4835
    @pradeepshetty4835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Lesser known fact : Steve jobs was an intern at Kramerica Industries.... As per some sources Apple copied most of Kramer's ideas when Kramer was westing his valuable time in Jerry's apartment....

  • @subhashkapur4148
    @subhashkapur4148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Vandelay Industries vs Kramerica Industries. Who wins?

  • @asteverino8569
    @asteverino8569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    … and I really like… “It’s like they’re addicted.”

  • @tripleooo7881
    @tripleooo7881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Jerry's parents were pretty good to.

  • @maikp5505
    @maikp5505 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I don’t know why but I’m beginning to appreciate Kramers dress code.

  • @MedalionDS9
    @MedalionDS9 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    When jokes come back around from being absurd and funny to strangely ahead of their time

  • @tomcovic6395
    @tomcovic6395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    His two court settlements haha

  • @albundy6008
    @albundy6008 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mr. Kramer says, "Hey Buddy!"

  • @attyla3970
    @attyla3970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Actually the idea with Kramerica Industries is not that bad . Was a funny episode .

  • @sdmlmy
    @sdmlmy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Kramer is sublime!

  • @vistulacooper6802
    @vistulacooper6802 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I SPECIFICALLY FOUND AND BOUGHT A BOTTLE OF PERFUME CALLED "THE BEACH"! It smells amazing!!!

  • @fackery8438
    @fackery8438 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ketchup and mustard in the same bottle

  • @JulianDale94
    @JulianDale94 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:11 Ah yes, the negotiator

  • @fromthehaven94
    @fromthehaven94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I still say he should have negotiated for more than 25% in the deal with Morty's raincoats.

  • @lust4bass
    @lust4bass 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    07.00 'Well, I like to work in the evenings ' is masterly delivered

  • @jrpro5195
    @jrpro5195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kraymerica is responsible for Mod Pizza!

  • @eaglerabbit8922
    @eaglerabbit8922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    But you only provide fantasy world corporate experience. XD

  • @steverogers7601
    @steverogers7601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:12 was so unnecessarily dismissive lmao

  • @cobretticobra7911
    @cobretticobra7911 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kramerica gets me through he day

  • @albertf.ismail2605
    @albertf.ismail2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love♥️ from 🇲🇾Malaysia!!

  • @pandam9638
    @pandam9638 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a come back - yeah I understand 37.5 for 3 moskiter

  • @wvu05
    @wvu05 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I am digging the fact that the background art for the coffee table book is the same as the _Nevermind_ cover. Similar fonts, too. This may be the most Nineties thing ever.

  • @afterlife697
    @afterlife697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    How about bro-ziere. It combines both

    • @FIXTREME
      @FIXTREME 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Manziere is better

    • @Hillthugsta
      @Hillthugsta ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FIXTREME ...and more Masculine sounding.

  • @vaadaenmacchi
    @vaadaenmacchi ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What was kramers source of income?? He seemed to always be living it up

  • @nickm1094
    @nickm1094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    When is Seinfeld going to be released on Blu Ray or 4K

  • @SandmanGames
    @SandmanGames 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I actually got a bro 😂 good support is important

    • @mikeg1378
      @mikeg1378 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes it is..I know that when I wear banlon, there appears to be some jiggling

    • @invisible.fatman
      @invisible.fatman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      MANSIERE!!!

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@invisible.fatman BRO!

  • @ruzzodac
    @ruzzodac 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Some people actually went to jail for trying to pull the "Bottle Scam"

  • @claytonfs
    @claytonfs ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm reminded of Taco Corp. from The League and the EBDBBnB!

  • @wvu05
    @wvu05 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'd like to go to a place where you make your own pizza.

  • @steverogers7601
    @steverogers7601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:12 this was a serious burn

  • @pradeepshetty4835
    @pradeepshetty4835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    5:50 is gold ❤️

  • @matthewrogers8778
    @matthewrogers8778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    THE MAN-ZEER

  • @grind7313
    @grind7313 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Krämers trainee thinks he is simply the best 😂😂😂😂

  • @BrianMiller1973
    @BrianMiller1973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Long live Kramerica!

  • @terrellp22
    @terrellp22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    very strange he never made any money off of these inventions

  • @marcbelo7301
    @marcbelo7301 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got of start smoking cigars maybe my life will turn out different 😂

  • @icemouf7480
    @icemouf7480 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    37.50 for three mesketeers🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @CT37BN
    @CT37BN 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ban-lon is so underrated🤣😂

    • @harrykrishna2697
      @harrykrishna2697 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sid Farkus said there appears to be some jiggling with Banlon

  • @garyfrombrooklyn
    @garyfrombrooklyn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this!!!

  • @jeanmaryfrancois1584
    @jeanmaryfrancois1584 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best comedy ever 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Sisyphusquit
    @Sisyphusquit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Where's the pizza idea and trading old records?

  • @rankobarensic
    @rankobarensic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You find something you get a fee🤣🤣🤣

  • @dasteezyust4717
    @dasteezyust4717 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how the intern is the equivalent of Kramer and they look exactly alike 😂

  • @crazyjoedavola5430
    @crazyjoedavola5430 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh yeah....top floor

  • @DarthWill3
    @DarthWill3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder if Salem Saberhagen's Cat-opia would wanna do business with Kramerica... LOL

  • @shareofmoney
    @shareofmoney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is hilarious!!!

  • @poorshad
    @poorshad ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why are this channel's compilations all backwards?! e.g. You show the oil ball result first, or the disagreement for 25% first, then show where the idea came from or when it started.

  • @jonvia
    @jonvia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Its like they're addicted

  • @billyhodges7194
    @billyhodges7194 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hilarious how all male soccer players wear the Bro now !!! Kramerica came through !! 😆

  • @maryjohnson4189nnkb
    @maryjohnson4189nnkb ปีที่แล้ว

    Pizza Bagel and 3 Musketeers candy bar 🤣🤣🤣

  • @conradsieber7883
    @conradsieber7883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I put my application in with Kramerica's Chicago office...

  • @tmrevenge
    @tmrevenge ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:04 damn the delivery and the acting was superb! Brilliant magnificent bastards!

  • @michaellalli7693
    @michaellalli7693 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Peterman might be the best guest character on Seinfeld?

  • @qwertyuser1234
    @qwertyuser1234 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Postal employee Newman does not know what MI stands for?!

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He barely delivers mail to begin with.

    • @nthgth
      @nthgth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not sure why he'd concern himself with addresses in other states with his particular job delivering exclusively to an area in Manhattan

  • @leafyutube
    @leafyutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is Kramerica listed in the Dow Jones or S&P 500?