How is the UK doing since Brexit? | LBC debate
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- Iain Dale and the Cross Question panel weigh in on car manufacturers asking the government to renegotiate its Brexit deal or 'risk losing parts of its car industry'.
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Conclusion: The UK has absolutely nothing to offer the EU.
its a handy market for EU goods, and a warning for any other EU members who get a bit disillusioned ;-)
Not really. UK has plenty of strengths, science, arts culture, sports, education, defence, financial services, not bad in automotive development particularly low volume sector for example. It makes sense for companies to invest in UK and they do and will continue to do. But a little bit less in future due to Brexit. Maybe were you live UK has nothing to offer but where I live it's actually pretty great.
But they can't sell it dude.
The EU can bring in goods tax free we pay taxes selling to Europe what a great deal for the EU , why would they want to change those terms?
@@jonathanbowen3640 even if those strengths were helpful to the challenge they were discussing (I'm not sure they are) none of the politicians on that programme were able to articulate clear relevant strengths, or even a negotiating strategy. Clearly insightful or even competent political leadership is not a strength the UK can rely on in dealing with the EU, or any other other countries they are trying to establish Free Trade Agreements with.
Still no answer to what the UK can offer the EU to renegotiate... because there is no answer
If you are a Brit, you will be aware that many people in this country blab and blab without saying nothing. You can see how thick the Conservative MP is. No substance...just spewing out old rhetoric for electoral purposes.
We could offer them some sovereignty 😂
Because they have nothing to offer... The only offer of a big UK domestic market for EU goods is not profitable anymore because of the UK third country status.
Qualified UK people are happy leaving the UK and moving abroad because living on an island which is disconnected from the continent is not very supportive for a career.
To be fair, none of the Politicians can make up party policy on the fly (or they would get bollocked at HQ) and I don't think you can expect Miller (a lawyer) or the Mail journalist to come up with economic policy
There is nothing they could offer to us 🇪🇺.
Which is why the EU will smile politely and tell them to eff off.
“Creating an environment where people want to come here” Thats what we had before we left the EU
As an European Brit (a Brit (now also Dutch) living in Germany) I am now fully for Brexit. It's been a Godsend to Europe. Thank you for donating all your compagnies to Europe. The black sheep with exemptions has left. No more exemption for anyone.
And.... any other nationalistic exit-Europe party in Europe has stopped. Britain is a country not to follow..
Enjoy eu ression and eurozone bust
@bobsmith5441 not long to wait for Polands referendum
@@vincentmckenna1755You haven’t got a clue, I am sorry to say. The UK can only hope the EU looks kindly upon the UK.
@bbell1549 was you laughing when you wrote that comment, the eu is done
@@vincentmckenna1755in actual fact Poland would do the EU a favor if they left. There are 2 right-wing countries in the EU right now, they are Poland and Hungary. It would be great, if they left. Unfortunately, they know where there bread is buttered on and that’s being a member of the EU.
However, let’s hope, you are right and they leave.
The UK is so far down the toilet it's already polluting rivers.
Best comment
Hmmmmm so much pollution everyday a dingaaaaa boat fi.l with fake refuges
...but you're still here Monkey Boy....why?
No, that's just more Tory 'free market' utilities doing that.
And toilets are worried about the bad image this is giving to the whole profession 😁
I am so angry with the people that voted for Brexit .
@@uhwake independence is a mirage. No country is truly independent. Not if they want to be successful in trade /commerce
@@uhwakeforgive me but this is just a dumb thing to say. It doesn't even begin to grasp the complexity of Brexit and its consequences. We were always independent and now appears that we desperately needed that "dependence".
448m EU citizens think brexit was a brilliant decision. We EU27 profit the heck out of it.
Me also. If people want to destroy their own future that's their business and not mine. But when they inflict that on me and my children the system seems unfair. Seems democracy is not that great after all. Especially because too few sizable alternative leadership parties exist. The system seems flawed and did not represent my vote. Glad I got my eu residence card and got my kids to a better place.
@@uhwake your take on the role of the EU is infantile. You think Germany isn't an independent country?
We have nothing to offer the EU so there is nothing to negotiate. This is just the start of it, it's downhill all the way.
As a non British person I dont believe that Britian will join the EU in the next 20years or more. The problem with Britian is that they still believe in Great Britian were it is in reality small Britian. Britian first has to get rid of its past as a Superpower into realising that this has gone. Furthermore I believe that Britian will face a serious econmical decline in the coming years because of Brexit.
The economic decline is happening already. Scottish independence is the only way out for me.
@@peterscott2395Me too 😢
@ScurvyRascal Shame we've got such weak leadership in the snp at the moment.
@broesilov
Most of what you have written here is quite truthful, except the real reason why the country is called 'Great' Britain.
Brittany is in a northern area of what is now France.
The British Isle was once a mere expanding, (initially via the south of the 'big island' in and still is linguistically linked to present day Cornwall), a Celtic cultural outpost of Brittany and which, by the colony's relatively larger size, (compared to the compact and bijou 'parent') became known as 'Great' Britain.
Yeah! The Brits are quite nostalgic and have had a distorted perception of who they are and not what they actually are!
I remember how some thought that European carmakers would be begging the UK on all sorts of things. Brexit is a very sad story of selfinflicted harm.
Begging for more hilarious stories about how the entire country stooged itself, perhaps.
UK can sell cars to...Japan🇯🇵😅 or Ukraine...we 🇺🇦are fine with that
Spain has huge factories and this UK loss it's making every competitor a winner 🏆.
A simple Google search will highlight that nissan have an existing battery facility which was built in 2012 for the leaf. The new gigafactory is expected to be operational 2025, but nissan does not own or run either of these businesses. In fact the owner Envision had at the same time announced new factories to be built in France and Spain. I wonder which will be servicing the EU market?
@@inesdamonteines3985 Until Ukraine joins the EU...
@@ZoomStranger Theres only you ridiculous leftist clowns that even mention the empire.
Don't forget the eu need us more than we need them..deluded brexiteers 😂
Surely people living and working in the UK should be trying to make things work, not worshipping the competition.
@@haitch04 In voting for Brexit we have reduced just about every opportunity that would benefit us, being out of the largest single market in the world with which we enjoyed a free trade agreement with the advantages not available to the other members yet we wanted or felt we deserved more. Trade agreements with far-flung nations or continents were never going to make up for that loss because by the simply matter of geography, trade with these nations were never going to be as advantageous an example of which being the Australia deal which yields us 0.08% of our GDP while the Australians are congratulating themselves as to the better deal they have brokered.
It's not all about trade I hear Brexiters say which is true. But the loss of that trade and trading arrangements has meant a drop of £100bn in our GDP which translates to a fall of £40bn in the nation's revenues let alone the loss of regional grants which the government could never ever make up. Our children have lost their ability to study freely in the EU27 or our more elderly able to work or live as easily. Under observance of EU regulations we have had cleaner waterways. What are they like now, rampant with sewage while the government looks the other way, wanting to distract us with the issue of small boats in ways that would have us break international law.
We need to wake up and reverse Brexit but even that will take years. Those who have brought our country to its knees have to be held accountable in a court of law. They did this to us for no other reason than to enhance their lot, the opportunists, the non-domicile who wanted to squirrel away their wealth taking it out of legal scrutiny and who used their media outlets to distort, distract and take us down the detour making us Little Britain. It is they we should bring to book for this.
@@haitch04 🤔pray tell us how? Empty shelves in the supermarket, business including farmers going under because of shortages of staff. Business moving to the EU because of all the bureaucracy and paperwork, sewage infested beaches and rivers, a hike in food prices etc etc etc. It’s an absolute disaster and it’s only going to get worse because we’ve got an incompetent government.
EU seen to be coping ok
@@haitch04 "Surely" , clearly a completey worthless word in your world. My bet is your wife ran away..."she surely cant be that silly"...and gone she is..haha, well deserved mate.
The EU holds all of the negotiation cards
Exactly 👍
Gina Miller's making so much sense. Holden's views seem to be emotional, anecdotal, jingoistic & not at all fact based. He seems more upset with Gina not blindly waving the flag than the substance of what she's saying. He literally ignores or cannot counter any facts or data point she shares. She's clearly the brightest and most informed person on the panel. Would love to hear more from her
If they dont want people to stop 'talking the country down' then stop breaking the law and threatening to break international law. This is what brings the country down. Also being dishonest about the effects of brexit is talking the country down. People dont want to hear these lies, but take action on reality.
Well said @
Throwing red meat to the gammons in lieu of a solid argument.
Even in a specific way?
I'd suggest to stop trying to "make Brexit work". Brexit happened, UK got out of EU, there is nothing left to do about that. It just sounds like a maneuver to avoid the blame of not delivering what was promised. It's amazing politician can get away using what really is an admission of guilt.
I find it extraordinary that a Tory can berate Gina for "talking the country down by saying the UK government break international law" when she famously took the government to court for breaking the law, and won!
Spot on!
Yes. And utterly disgusting that the presenter just let's that pass... they actively _allow_ these vile Torys to just lie, and lie and lie, unchallenged.
Nissan warned about Brexit. They said they will withhold new investment because of uncertainty. U.K. car manufactures continue to face a tough outlook. Production had been falling since 2016. Nissan was then promised £80m to shield it from Brexit and in 2018 eventually received £61m of tax payer funded subsidies. No jobs were lost due to the government subsidy but Nissan abandoned plans to expand which would have created new jobs which would be nearly 11% of its current workforce.
Of people from the north east voted leave. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Most probably blinded by xenophobia and bigotry.
When the government subsidies end, Nissan is moving to an EU country like many banks and corporations have
The worst is yet to come… for several sectors, transition periods that allowed UK businesses to operate in the EU are going to expire in the next two years.
The Conservative Right Conjob of the botch job that is Brexit will not only impact the easily led and easily lied to who went all in but the Country for decades. Talk about OWN GOAL!
So what are you doing to help the UK with this then?
@@davidgreen6490what?
@@davidgreen6490 Great a brexiteer looking for others to bail them out of the steam pile of your efforts. Now that's a shock said no-one ever.
@@davidgreen6490 what are you doing ?
Brexit would have been a triumph if they actually delivered what people voted for but they never really wanted out of europe so they have betrayed the british people.
Gina Miller on point again. Brexit was always going to damage the UK, and it has transpired as such. How do we move forwards? Get a government who believe in experts, facts and competence for a start.
How can you fix problems you refuse to accept exist?
A panel of 5 people and only 1 person have a clue... your country and media is in very serious trouble.
@@johnrussell3961 Or more simply, how can they have expected something to 'work' or now try to 'fix' something that was never going to work from the start in any way, shape or form.
Funny how the leave campaign never mentions ECHR
What like the experts they rolled out during covid and told total and utter lies which the majority of sheep listened to.
The british people voted to leave and still we have not left have we.
We need a government determined to stand up to brussels and we haven't had that too date.plain and simple.
Irish issue being a point in question.....dismal state to be in.
The money we were supposed to save after brexit has gone into the pockets of Farage , Boris and company.
Farage, some say, has already spent his. He is looking for new schemes to stay relevant and earn some.
Germany were not in a position to give much support to Ukraine at the beginning because of their stance since WW2. Chancellor Sholtz effectively changed that by making major changes in legislation. Now Germany is doing all that it can do in backing Zelenskiy.
I'm a Malaysian working in Singapore. Both countries are in the Commonwealth and have millions of investment in the UK, but most if not all of them were prior to Brexit. This was due to the familiarity of the language, laws, culture and much more due to being former colonies of the British. In short, we were used to the British and found it easier to invest in the UK because of that, and as a gateway into the EU. Post-Brexit, businesses here are concentrating on investments in the EU directly, and bypassing the UK, despite the different legal systems and languages. Oh, and Malaysia and Singapore are part of ASEAN (Association of South-East Asia Nations), which aspires to integrate their economies like the EU.
As for the Brexiter's dream or aspiration of becoming a Singapore-on-Thames, well, Singaporeans are more pragmatic and realistic than Brexiters. They had to be in order to create the modern and successful Singapore that Brexiters want to emulate. Ask them if they want to exit ASEAN or exit the EU if they were part of it, the answer would be a resounding NO.
Almost everybody here that I talked to about Brexit thought that it was financial and business suicide for the British. And most if not all, put it down to the UK harking back to the days of the British Empire. It wasn't helped by the fact that many Brexiter politicians and businessmen thought that the Commonwealth and the World would gladly trade with the UK on an individual basis. Why should they? And what advantage is there to trading with the UK when it is not a gateway into the EU? Business is business, and it would always look at the bottom line. Brexiters seemed to have forgotten that, or totally ignored it altogether.
It’s was a democratic vote so bore off.
@@davidfoster2006 We democratically voted to jump off a ledge.
thanks for that one David.
Hola kok,
I hope some of you are taking advantage of lreland being an EU member and English speaking plus we are also an ex colony of Brits!😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@amelia9846 we voted to be independent and sovereign and to restore our democracy. You’re welcome.
@James Arnold the conservatives were elected in a free and fair general election. Don’t you like parliamentary democracy? Otherwise you might like North Korea.
Britains low key racism has ultimately cost us big time.
Was going to reply to a similar comment, but since I'm here, I have to say that I don't fully understand the racism argument, especially since the EU countries are mainly white.
So, racism? Not exactly. Xenophobia? More likely. On the other hand, these countries are the countries Brits visit quite often while on holidays.
Then, let's jump back to racism - non-EU migration is now quite high, and that includes non-white countries.
So, isn't it like the opposite effect, than expected? Or maybe the EU was blamed for non-EU migration?
I'm kind of lost.
Can you explain this topic to me? I'm not trying to be ironical/sarcastic now. It's just interesting.
If you're going to make such a colossal, scathing accusation of _"low key racism"_ could you attach a shred of evidence to it next time?
Such a tired old trope.
Why do you think that? I've not met a single Brexiter who mentioned EU immigration. Every single one didn't like the idea of political union and feared further integration.
@@ChrisLee-yr7tz
Then you must be living under a rock😊
@Sasha Bertold Well I guess that means you did speak to lots who thought that? Or have you just made a huge assumption?
UK thought it was bigger then the EU
"Make Brexit work" is on par with "Click your heels together three times and say 'There's no place like home' and you'll be there"
All that can be done now is to manage the decline. There is no reason for the EU to help us out at their cost. It is their job to look after EU members not non members.
Exactly, if they don't help us they will get those thousands of manufacturing jobs that will Britain.
It's a win win for them.
I remember how the EU tried to reason with the Brits to save them from themselves. But they chose to jump off the precipice
Besides the fact that there are EU citizens who are married with Brits & live in the UK, many EU citizens(like me) inside the EU have friends & family in the UK, the EU is determined to keep peace in NI,(status as a peace project demands it) the Brits themselves suffering isn't nice to look at & the EU quite dislikes failed states at the doorstep, let alone a state with nukes.
Brexiters might whinge about the EU being nasty, i think the negotiators were very calm & patient.
The EU give money to Moldova, which is not a member. If the UK government is reasonable & RELIABLE, there probably can be some movement. But not with figures like that last numbskull...
"There is no reason for the EU to help us out at their cost".
If only Great Britain thought the same some time back, you know when I'm talking about. But we are not like our European cousins. We didn't stand by and watch it fall. No matter the cost to our people. You have a very short memory.
Having said that. We do still get a Christmas tree from Norway each year as a "thank you".
So maybe you are right.
@@Buckets1000Hymn
Gina is spot on. And the rest just indulge in waffle with their 'make brexit work' nonsense.
Well said.
agree. This Brexit issue is so toxic politically.
What else could they do? There simply is no answer to the question asked other than that Brexit is the worst decision ever made in British history
The eu has moved on.. Great Britain has nothing to offer us..
I wanted Britain to remain in the EU. I had used to say to people that there was a big price to pay for leaving the EU. I had also used to tell them that about two-thirds of Britain's trade had been with the EU.
But I had been astounded by the ignorance of these brexiteers in their not truly understanding what the consequences of their foolishness in voting to leave Europe would lead to for Britain's economic prospects in the future. I sometimes feel tempted to say to some of them, "I told you so", but I don't, because they still cannot understand what they have done to themselves because of their collective stupidity in choosing to vote to leave Europe.
What they did to themselves doesn’t bother me at all. What they did to others is what really count. In my opinion they should be in jail
"It gets really boring when you're constantly talking the country down."
What about telling him "It gets really frustrating when you constantly lie and deny reality "?
Absolutely 💯
Lie?? Roger Nichols we were told we were joining a common market., those liars ended up having us abide by their laws and threatened us when we asked to leave.
...depends what your reality is...?
@@haitch04 NOPE, that "we joined a common market" line is a blatant lie made up decades later. No one forced laws on the UK and no one "threatened" the UK when you "asked" to leave . The UK triggered article 50 that was designed for the eventuality a country wished to leave the EU, which the UK did on their own accord, by their own decissions and the rest of the EU has accommodated that choice. You are out are you not.
@@haitch04 Do you live in different universe? UK had it's MEPs in EU to represent UK for any laws that passed by european parliment. Do you also not know any law or decision can not be passed or done if any one of members not agreeing with the term? Please go back to study before commenting . You are a joke.
Massive mistake leaving the EU
A whopping 33% say it was the right thing to do.
Yeah where is £350m per week for Nhs? I can't believe idiots have voted for it
@@danmayberry1185 a whopping 33% will not be around in 5 years time...
@@ENGLISHISBEST Is your life better after Brexit? This vote should never happen.
I'm better off now . BREXIT the way forward ⏩
So the EU will change the deal so that investment can be done in U.K. rather than in EU member state ?
Brits are so funny 😂
It's gone from a bright new future to " reducing the damage".
English arrogance comes with a price.
It wasn’t all about England, the UK is made up of four countries.
Wales, like England voted to leave.
@@clmclmn21 voted againstst their best interests after being fed a pack of lies, lies which are now coming back to haunt tose taken in by them.... while the liars have second homes outside the country and are about to leave the UK to go and live there....
@@clmclmn21 Scotland voted remain ya bleating sheep
@@clmclmn21 And a million Scots.
Englush sovereignty.
Correcting mistakes is not talking the country down,it is identifying problems that need addressing not ignoring.
I agree! This is the same thing they were saying when the remainers were warning them about the negative effects Brexit would have. " You don't believe this is a great country?" was their answer. As if the problem was a lack of patriotism from the side of the remainers.
UK is f^cked. The government has no clue how to get out of this mess. Maybe there is no answer, as Farage has said “Brexit was a disaster for the UK.”
It's all part of the "post-truth" feelings-over-facts narrative. Or as I've learned to call it The Tinkerbell Effect: If we all just _believe_ hard enough it'll be sunlit uplands all the way.
What problems are directly the blame of brexit.From what I can see the major economies of Europe are all performing roughly the same.The only countries to compare the uk against are Germany,France,Italy and Spain.
This Is a pure example when a nation goes wild and suffers from a collective mental health breakdown and now has got its senses back what a tragedy.
As a Greek I find it amazing that the Greek 10 year bond has today an interest of 3.8% (while we have not yet received investment grade status after the major 10 year financial crisis; this is expected to happen within the year, btw) and UK's one has an interest of 4.24%, while Germany, France, Italy and Spain have 2.3%, 2.9%, 4.16% and 3.4% respectively ...
Being a middle age man when I was young,for us in Greece UK was like a beacon and was like the first thing that we could think of Europe (the language, music, football!, the importance and influence in the international geopolitics scene). The impact of the above those has been greatly reduced more or less in the last decades and brexit has been biggest milestone.
It is amazing how much isolation you have put into yourselves.
Im happy with it. Thanks.
@@rufanuf1 back to the stone age, happy days
@@TheRimBrakeGuy Thats were the EU will take you!
@@rufanuf1 you can only dream, enjoy the poverty in the UK!
@@TheRimBrakeGuy No its not a dream, it's a reality Europe including the UK, but ESPECIALLY the EU are in decline, so you can all enjoy your poverty together. I live in a part of the world where none of that matters. Thankfully.
Ian Dale supported, championed and defended brexit with all his will. Do not let him wriggle out of his part in this mess we find ourselves as he softens his stance.
....what mess....inflation is a direct result of the disastrous lockdown if that's what you're talking about.....
Exactly - he now plays the scrutiniser. And soon he will come to conclusion is was the worse policy decision in U.K. history. But he will never accept a part of the blame. Cowards
@@ybkseraph
What blame would that be.
The fact that unemployment is still high within the EU, and low in the UK.
Or Germany are now having to reopen it's coal mines, causing evermore pollution and damage to the environment. Or could it be that the French can't produce enough power from their nuclear power plants, and have to import electricity from the UK.
@@trytellingthetruth.2068 and the million jobs not being done in the UK is not harming the UK ?
ask the farmers how things are going, sowing less crops each year ...
unemployment high means enough workers for the available jobs.
@@trytellingthetruth.2068 Oh, and the U.K. hasn’t just voted to open a coal mine in Cumbria,we’re still drilling for oil and we still aren’t developing renewable energy policies fast enough. The EU has interconnecters,ask the Channel Islands where they get their electricity from…….France !
It just goes to show how deluded these people are when Ian Dale thought Vauxhall owns Stellantis.
Cheerleader for brexit, absolutely no idea what he's on about. Pretty much sums the whole thing up really..
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Could he be any more Anglo-centric?
He has this delusion that Vauxhall was and is British. Vauxhall is the British wing of Opel, which was owned by General Motors.
General Motors sold Vauxhall/Opel off to the Peugeot Citroen group.
The Peugeot group is owned by Stellantis.
It's just shows Dale's sense of exceptionalism. Thinking a British manufacturer, that was never British, owns something, when in reality they are owned by the French which in part is owned by a multi national.
@@bubba842 Vauxhall was founded in 1857, half a century before General Motors, it began making cars in 1903, 5 years before General Motors was founded. GM bought Vauxhall in 1925. Opel was founded in 1862 & bought by GM in 1929.
How on earth can we trust them to resolve any of our issues if they can't acknowledge the problems caused by Brexit?
6:00 did he just forget that at one point, the Tory government publicly announced that their plan was to break international law "in a limited and specific way"? Because the rest of the world HASN'T forgotten that
As an EU citizen, I have to say regarding the Ukraine politics, the UK acted great but it has nothing to do with Brexit or the EU. Germany needed to adjust its foreign policy and needed to adapt to a new age. Since then it acted great. It is also easier for the UK which has nuclear weapons and is an island.
And less reliant on Russian oil and gas etc etc.
@@seemymobot4987 🤔 Did the UK ever rely on energy from Russia...?
@@seemymobot4987 Germany was reliant on Russian resources and it adapted to the conflict by shifting its dependencies. Now it's dependent on other suppliers most of whom are no more trustworthy than Russia. I wonder if anybody truly believed Germany would support Russia because of these dependencies. I found this theory offensive and I would not be surprised if many Germans would hold a grudge over that.
Are you aware that 20% of Europe's uranium imports are from Russia? I don't know where the UK is buying, but I would not be surprised if Russia would be on the short list.
They should've pulled him up on that. He was being interrogated on breaking international laws on refugees, but kept bringing up Ukraine like that somehow covers it. It's like he kept telling everyone he was going to stab a granny... but when confronted about it kept saying how he's paid his taxes lawfully.
@@anthonynichols8468 Perhaps not but London/financial markets certainly relied on oligarch money....
Brexit: the roaring success we were promised.😅
Brexit is a roaring success in making the UK the laughingstock of the world.
I blame the morons who voted for liars.
IT surely IS, the Europeans are doing so much better now they don't have to spend all their time trying to pasify us. Brexit is working for THEM!.
at least you have the 350 million pounds a week going into the NHS!
@@JakobusVdL Yeah we can't shift around here for new hospitals.
I actually laughed out loud at the end. It was really hysterical to hear a man who comes across like a bowl of cold oatmeal being interviewed suggest someone else is being "really boring". 😂
FFS, even Nigel the Brexit lover Frage has admitted that Brexit has been a failure.
I live in German and it is like the UK doesn't even exist. I work with a lot of manufacturing companies and none of them are looking to Britain for suppliers or anything really. They are looking towards Eastern Europe. It is easier and just makes sense to do business within the EU.
To be fair, it's how we need to be in UK now. We need to stop thinking that the EU is a trading partner and stop importing from them and become self reliant.
@@grahamt5924 That worked out so well for North Korea as well. Trade is the lifeblood of the economy. Nobody can be self-sufficient. Otherwise... there wouldn't be trade.
@@grahamt5924 😂 Yes! Little Britain, self sufficient. No imports, no exports. It will slake its economic thirst on 'sovereignty' and glorious fading memories of Empire.
@Targ Patience As these guys are already pointing out, the EU businesses no longer want anything to do with the UK. Like it or hate it, we are on our own now. We can't just import everything from EU without being able to export to the EU either, as that is not going to work.
We are now out of the EU and we are not going back for a minimum of a generation, so how do we make the best of this, or are we just f....d now and there is nothing we can do about it but give up?
@@grahamt5924 yes let's dig the turnips and parsnips
The UK can offer : a better behaviour , sticking to rules and laws and admitting that Brexshit was the worst decission of the last 400 years .... and it was NOT EUs fault that the UK shooting into its own foot feels pain !!!
That would at least be a first step ....
then after 20 -40 years the UK might apply again ... and can HOPE that many of the todays EU members did forget about the disgusting behaviour of Story party and their voters!
England wont Last 10 years its collapsing know 🦧
All we need to see if Brexit is working or not is Starmer"s Labour Party in power for a term or two in No.10 ,then we will see if things can improve ?. With all the backing on here what could go wrong ?.
@@yorkiegilly4355 "Starmer in power" is the lesser of 2 evils. Not a real choice.
He might actually be worse!
We EU will never forget the blatant offenses blithefully flung towards us by the representatives of the failing islettes smaller than half of La Gaulle.
He is right when he is saying that leaving EU allows them to do some things that they couldn't do within the EU, the same way that if I cut my arm off I would be able to park in the handicapped zones ( I would gain less things than before but still gain things that i wouldn't have had before)
The UK still continues to talk as if Brexit hasn't happened and there are still negotiations to be made. The denial and the consequences of Brexit will always be there regardless of other global economic problems. Being a third country to our neighbours who are the largest trading bloc is insane. No amount of trade deals around the world will recoup the losses.
When Russia invaded Ukraine, the UK was the first country to tell all the Russian Oligarchs living in London that they weren't happy with the invasion. They told them that at a party Boris was having.
"There are things we can do outside the EU which we couldn't do inside the EU."
Such as embrace labour shortages, food shortages and greater poverty.
And not forget pollute our rivers and seas with raw sewage. Now who would not be glad with that? No, Brexit was the best decision ever
With Brexit Britain basically pulled out a shot gun aimed at it's left foot, pulled the trigger, THEN did the same to its right foot - absolutely hilarious! And the best bit is that anyone with half a brain knew before the vote that this is what was going to happen!
"Make Brexit work" - this is like hoping to find some magic beans
Seeing as how the UK is Brexited (left the EU), and will remain Brexited for at least a couple decades, what alternative does the UK have to "Make Brexit Work", i.e., do the best of the situation the UK is in, and will remain in for the foreseeable future.
The alternative to "Make Brexit Work" isn't "Join the EU" or "Join the Single Market", because neither of those are possible, again, in the next three decades or so. It is "Keep Pretending There Is A Magical Solution While The UK Crumbles".
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"Make Brexit work" is simply an acceptable way of saying that you're going to make Brexit less like Brexit...
Not magic beans, Starmer was in talks with von der leyen, back when he was helping the government solve their NI problem.
His solution which is agreed in principle is a series of micro deals, incremental steps to smooth out trade, visa's, cabotage etc.
@@andrewfrancis3591 So not making Brexit work, trying to undo Brexit subtley....
There was no answer to the question. What does the UK have to offer the EU in order to renegotiate the existing deal?
Why should the EU negotiate with people who fail to answer a simple question?
Silence ...
Still tumbleweeds blowing in the wind
nisan has been given a big bag of money to slowly phase out everything in england instead of leaving all at once. the intention was that the entire spigot would go to the old Nedcar factory in the Netherlands in one go.
instead, it has been agreed with the British government that Nisan will now leave England in phases. so that not a whole lot of people ended up on the street at once nisan is now downsizing the workforce in england and the intention is that everything will be moved to duseldorf in 2028 where they are now building a new factory
The UK is leading the way… problem is, no other country is following.
Why on earth does someone believe EU will help the UK to retain a strategic market that will be way more favorable for the EU itself? It is beyond me 😂
This comment should be at the top..and stay there
My countries all did unions
Grand delusion?
Richard Holden: After the US, the biggest supporter of Ukraine is not Britain, but Germany: in terms of financial support and arms supplies. And don't forget that over 1 million Ukrainian refugees live in Germany.
Germany is the biggest funder of the EU. So they have funded the biggest part of EU aid as well.
Check the facts. When the UK provided anti-tank missiles, the Germans provided helmets. Which do you believe was the most useful.
The UK was dragging its feet regarding sanctions etc to help Ukraine yet the govmt try to make u forget that. I remember at the time being son angry at bojo and his russian ancestry and olligarch friends. Now Ukraine thinks he's their number one supporter. He's such a liar to everyone.
@@annemoncrieff3875 The UK is _still_ not on par with the EU when it comes to sanctions of Russia and Russian oligarchs. Even when they _did_ implement sanctions, they gave them a month to gather their belongings and move them out, before freezing accounts etc.
The only things actually frozen were things to big to take with them (like real estate) that they couldn't manage to offload before the deadline.
And many (well-connected) oligarchs and oligarch-adjacent persons who were put under sanctions by other nations, not only weren't put under sanctions in the UK - they even remain _in_ the UK. One prominent son-of-a-KGB-agent-come-oligarch with plenty of interests in Russia not only remain, unsanctioned, in the UK, he also remains a lord in the house of lords.
So, anytime I hear some muppet going on about the UK's support of Ukraine and how it world beat the EU to the punch, I wonder how they feel about a party in government that has openly taken millions from, essentially, Putin's agents in the UK, which very clearly has been returning those favors by the truck load by kid gloving anything relating to Russian oligarchs and their interests in the UK.
I wonder how they feel about their (now ex) PM partying hard in the former KGB station chief in London's Italian villa, and making his son a lord in the house of lords over MI5 and everyone else's objection, and did so in a mysterious hurry, followed by said son _immediately_ after being confirmed, requesting sensitive documents that his new position gave him privileged access to?
Or of the many dodges and weaves by oligarchs and people in their orbit (e.g., "ex"-wife of oligarch) in order to pay out tens, hundreds, maybe millions of pounds to said ex-PM personally, as well as many of his fellow party members in the house of commons, house of lords, and elsewhere.
In a way, it's not the depth of the corruption that really bother me, but how flagrant they are about it, and how little impact it seems to have on UK voters.
@@nostromo2244 do you realize why Germany wasn't sending in weapons at the start? Germany still had very strict laws preventing (German made) arms To be sent to a Warzone, something to do with the aftermath of WWII.
When you’ve decided to leave the club, your negotiating power disappears, so it’s not a case of the EU doing anything the shoe is on the other foot. Question is what is Britain going to do Next now? It has no significant trading power, partners or partnerships in the wings.
Here on the European mainland, businesses wint touch UK business with a barge pole. It doesn't matter what they do, the reality is theres lots of red tape and costs incurred.
"The Brits have made their bed, they can lie in it." Shouldn't that be, "The English and Welsh have shat the bed now the Scots have to lie in it with them." The folk from Ulster got off lightly.
It’s a bit like when a Scot wins in sport they are British when they lose their Scottish. 🤣🤣🤣
Makes a cute line, but a million Scots voted to leave and London (more population than whole of Scotland) voted to remain. There was a lot of dumb stuff going on with Brexit, but issues that pushed it (barely) across the line are much more complex than simple petty nationalism.
I agree, but the six counties form the occupied part of lreland. The province of Ulster includes Donegal, Cavan and Monahan. So its incorrect to refer to It as Ulster.😊❤
@@mirfjc gee thanks for being so informative because I didn’t know that the English get their way because they have a much larger population. Silly me. I know this idea will probably be a waste of time but here’s a couple of ideas. One just have a referendum in England saves money and they get their way with the system of voting. Or two have a fairer system that takes into account population disparity. Allowing countries with smaller populations a say. Results from each country having to be over 50%. Now I know I can hear well that’s not fair Englands got a bigger population we should just get our way. So then again just have a referendum in England and that’s the results. With the system in place that’s how it’s going to be.
@@dianacasey6002 Or, crazy idea, I know, Scotland could go at it alone. Make decisions for Scotland, by the people of Scotland. Possible, as we've seen, for a member of a union, entirely at the discretion of the occupying nation, short of a revolution, in the case of a colony.
Here in the Irish Republic our main problem with Brexit is trying to scale up our infrastructure to keep up with all the FDI in Ireland since that silly vote
The Irish Exchequer has so much cash that the plan is to create a sovereign wealth fund. That's an extraordinary turnaround.
I’m sincerely happy to hear it. Well done.
@MR .TEA.
That's kinda sad, your Level of understanding seems to correlate with your spelling and grammar. Mass migration to Britain still is a thing btw, just not by Boat but by Lorry. Since nobody actually checks them now because otherwise it would impact the strained supply chain even more. That no one built infrastructure or put money into training new domestic workers is just a sign of bad Tory policies btw. Because that's been happening in many countries and it has more to do with the government not wanting to spend money or allocating Funds incompetently. The mass migration histeria is more of an idealogical problem as well as a scapegoat
@@mickyboy223 Maybe they could purchase a proper air force instead of negotiating with the RAF to patrol their airspace from non existent future threats?
@@bryanbelshaw7725 No need. Thanks though 😅
The Thing about politicians i have grown to hate in my 30+ years on this Rock in space is: they never ever get to the point. No matter what country.
Whenever someone says the other side is 'talking the country down' you know they have zero argument. Got to go for feelings, rather than facts.
Dale says "I didn't actually realise that...." catchphrase for any brexit voter
Dale probably thought Vauxhall was British, even though it was owned by General Motors and is now owned by the PSA group (Peugeot Citroen), which in part is owned by the Stellantis group.
It was never British. He probably doesn't even know that it is the same car company as Opel.
Gina Millar the only one talking sense and backed up with facts.
....and coincidentally agree with....😊
Why does Britain have to find all these things to make it appealing to iutside investment? I thought Britain held all the cards and countries would be lining up to make deals.
Here in Australia we still shake our head at the stupidity of the United Kindom with apologies to Scotland and Northern Ireland. Ona brighter side it has ignited a more positive debate about Australia becoming a republic. Apologies to Chuckles and Cammir but you are really not wanted here
What I find really interesting is that several of the panel are acting like the UK is still a member of the EU. The we just have to "negotiate" worked when the UK had a seat at the table in Brussels and could link other EU issues into their negotiations but now the UK are outside the EU there are few reasons for the EU to accommodate the UK.
The negotiations are over, first thing is for the U.K. to actually implement what they negotiated, it is pure phantasy to believe that they can re-negotiate after failing to implement the actual agreements. The U.K. is a third country and will be treated like every other third country. The U.K. have to accept after 7 years, they will never be able to cherry pick. The U.K. have inflicted this self harm on itself, they either apply to enter the single market and Customs Union or apply to rejoin or accept a different standard of living. Not like they were not warned. Brexiteers need to accept that the EU is not responsible for this mess, it is totally self inflicted.
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What I'm referring to as interesting is that both pro and anti EU people in the UK don't seem to have internalized that the UK has actually left the EU, Gone , 100% not in the EU. No seat at the table, no votes in the EU parliament, no veto, no inside track, no all night summits to negotiate a deal.
They seem to think that the EU will help them with their problems like when they where still a member.
@@mcarpenter2917 That is true, many rejoiner channels talk as if rejoining the EU will be a walk in the park, a UK delegation will simply have to travel to Brussels to be accepted with open arms and everything will be forgiven and forgotten. I don't think so.
@@readesiun988 "they either apply to enter the single market and Customs Union"
Impossible! SM&CU means EU membership!
Richard Holden " Britain stands by the the rule of law" oh Boris tried to break his own Brexit agreement less than 12 months after he signed it
Ian Dale nailed it, Why would the EU care about making it easier for the UK car manufacturers? They keep going on about we need to move on an make Brexit work, but fundamentally Brexit CAN'T work without friction-less trade with the EU market. The sooner the public and in turn the politicians accept this the less pain all round.
At this point the most likely long-term future for the UK is a split, with Scotland becoming an independent nation initially joining EFTA and then eventually the EU, and Northern Ireland forming part of a united Ireland. I live in Scotland and was outraged by the Brexit vote, so if the above happens I'll be delighted.
As long as people like Iain Dale still looking at the internal affairs of the EU instead of focusing on the UK situation there will be no improvement of the EU/UK relationship. This guy is still living in a dream world of British exceptionalism.
Beside the 50k helmets Germany is sending much more military equipment to Ukraine than the UK and Germany is taking much more Ukrainian refugees...
Correct 2.4 billion from UK to date, 7.2 billion from Germany but I'm not sure funding war is anything to be proud of....
@@uhwake 1.5m by now. All entitled to free healthcare, accommodation, schools, free language lessons, instant right to work and social benefits like any German citizen. No visa required for 3 years after arrival.
@@topthecat2259 let Ukranians decide that
What did Iain say that was wrong though? He’s right.
@@topthecat2259 I agree but...if it has to be done it must be done. Who wants Russia in Poland, Baltics, Moldova and other countries? It's enough that so many pro Russian people are living in Eastern Part of Germany.... Maybe West Germany should build a wall...
Making brexit work?! What planet is he on?! It ISNT working that’s the point😵💫
What's the alternative? The UK left the EU (Brexit), and won't be able to get back in either front or back door in the next several decades, and so will remain Brexited for the foreseeable future.
That Brexit currently isn't working is _exactly_ why the UK must "Make Brexit Work", because there really exists no alternative, if the nation is to survive.
@@rocketsurgeon2135 We can go back if there is the political leadership to do so.
But the brexshit is working as it was predicted by people with brain and common sense.
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@@YellowfinGrouper why are we better off being in the Euro and Schengen?
...then why aren't you out there celebrating....some people are never satisfied....😊
There is absolutely nothing for us to worry about..once the EU realise that they need us mire than we need them, everything will be fine and dandy...🤔🤔🤯
UK hasn't a clue about trade negotiation. It still thinks its the Empire! 😂
I had hoped that the British public were smart enough to vote to remain. They didn't so I hoped that their politicians were smart enough to stop blaming us in the EU for every little thing and negotiate a sensible deal. They weren't so now the UK is isolated and more and more investment is coming our way. Why would we here in the EU want to undo that?
We don’t. The EU is more united than ever. Nobody standing on the brakes anymore.
@@gohfi pfffttt sure you don't fella just the whole EU council to stop what you need in your country and send it elsewhere 👍
In other words we have nothing to offer the EU!!!
Lol,
Host: The UK has nothing to offer the EU
Guest: That is why we need to have negotiations
Host: But we have nothing to offer
Guest: Well, that is the challenge we face..
It's like talking to a pea brain living in a brick.
Yeah, I know. I've been saying for a long time 2025 is going to be the year when the Remainers will have to be taught that Brexit means Brexit (provided Labour wins the next general election). The Brexiteers are not telling them the reality, because they fear critique of their idiotic promises vs. the reality.
What's he saying really? Since Brexit what is the plan to get The UK self reliant outside the EU? No one has really answered the question.
The last panelist who essentially talking down to Gina was distasteful to use that ploy and it is dangerous. In the veiled language used it is a dog-whistle that implies inference to her ethnicity, otherness and not being British. What could be more exemplary of modern Britishness than to ask questions and ask for accountability?!
Yeah, it was the "veiled language" that got England into the mess it's in.
As an outsider, GB is a place to send your kids to school, if you have a million dollars to waste. You couldn't gift me any vehicle built there today.
Britain has buried itself in nostalgia.
Well, it would appear that a lot of people go for that. British built cars do have a bit of a shaky reputation but, strangely, marketing cars as British abounds. For example, Tata flog Jaguars and Landrovers as British products, VW flog Bentleys as British, PSA advertise Vauxhalls as "British brand since 1903" and BMW put union flag tail lights on their Minis. Beats me why that would sell cars - must be that nostalgia thing you're talking about..
People will still buy Range Rovers based on how they look and how comfortable they are. The cost of having to repair them every year is just taken into account if you're able to afford one.
@@stiofain88 aren't Range Rovers Indian vehicles?
@@stiofain88 $20 000 to replace a turbo and I have seen 2 of those within a year.
Just as well, because I'm keen to keep my McLaren.
At least one of the distinguished gentlemen on this panel seems not to know what a 'plan' is.
When you allow an uneducated electorate to vote on something as complicated as the EU partnerships you are doomed🥺
We were offered blue skys and green pastures if we voted to leave.
What we ended up with was s!?t on our beaches and empty supermarket shelves.
It's so pathetic that the brexiteer's can't pull their head out their backsides and admit it's a failure. Instead its stop talking the country down...the British empire is still great. What will it take for these people to open their eyes.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, it was their final most essential command". - George Orwell, 1984.
This sums up a conservative loving Brexiter.
....but not a Labour loving brexiter....interesting and illuminating distinction....
Remember they told us we had to be fed up of experts telling us the truth
Wishful thinking is all they got left..
The British spent 40 years hollowing out the EU so we are glad to see the back of you 😂😂😂😂
Question: What can the UK offer the EU?
Holden: I just find it boring when you constantly talk the country down.
Thanks to Italy, Hungary and Poland the EU already has its quota of far right basket cases.
Yeah like "sorry I am boring you mate, but facts don't care about your feelings"
What can we offer them
that they need that would strengthen our economy ...what can Britain offer that would secure the futures of everybody's lively hoods?
Interested to here the answer.
@@anthonynichols8468 marmite!
@@dibdab101 the Australians love marmite...👍
Hahaha ! "Vauxhall owns Fiat ,Citroën..." the level of ignorance of the presenter is amazing !
I' ll make it simple for him :
The Peugeot Citroën group ( new name Stellantis) owns many other brands invluding Fiat ,Opel,Vauxhall,Dodge...
The French Group dont want to have issues due to Brexit restrictions importing their electric cars made in the UK in the EU They will probably close the factory and open a new one in France
Not exactly, PSA merged with Fiat Chrysler to form Stellantis. Now PSA was effectively Peugeot and owned several other brands (like Citroen) while Chrysler bought Dodge years ago (they also own Jeep and Ram trucks). Fiat owned Alpha Romeo, Maserati and Ferrari. Stellantis is listed on stock exchanges in France and Italy with its headquarters in Amsterdam, the Italians hold the largest share through a Dutch holdings company (13.99%), the French have about 13% with Chinese and Americans both around 3%.
...nice cut and paste...but you knew these facts anyway.......😊
I would say the level of ignorance is exemplary
England doesn't bring anything to the(European) table so there's no reason to let them back in.
Promoting "Brand Britain" seems a little like " White Star Line" promoting Brand "Titanic"...!!
Is Holden's delivery always one of suicidal depression, or is it merely the result of all those amazing Brexit benefits?
....as opposed to those free EU benefits....😂😂
I have no idea but he seems to talk a load of nonsense
For these delusional people it’s like walking into an Apple shop and thinking they can negotiate the price on a new phone. It’s not going to happen!
How many years have been they been searching for "a way to make it work?"😢😂
I really enjoy how civil the political conversations are in the UK. The USA is nuts!
Gina was the only adult in the room during the whole Brexit fiasco. She told everyone how it would be .
....and how is it...?
@@chatham43 look out at the Medway after toilet time and if you are quick enough you can watch ur own 💩 float past.. .. that should give you a clue . .
A big slice of humble pie will be needed by the UK's 'We hold all the cards' Brexiters when they plead with the EU, but why should Brussels throw away the chance to get a big slice of the UK car industry when Ford, JLR, Stellantis et al are all talking about moving production quite soon to the European mainland?
They can plead all they want. The UK wanted to be a competitor, you don't help out competitors. That's not how things work!
UK is doing poorly.
Vauxhaul doesn’t own fiat, stellantis is Italian. Fiat owns vauxhaul
When someone starts with 'I don't know the details' and then let their mouth run on the subject (and red herring it), it's a strong indication it's a clueless brexiteer. In comparison Gina is well informed.
She is fantastic here.