Honestly the worst thing about burn-in to me is constantly worrying about burn-in. I don't want to feel worried while I'm trying to enjoy a video game - defeats the purpose.
I purchased a C7 OLED back in 2017 and to this day I am scared to death of it to the point where I havn't played certain games (Persona 5) on it do to risk of burn it or I obsessively turn off HUD elements to mitigate risk. I do have a bit of burn in on the lower right corner of the screen which I believe is from Kingdom Hearts but it isn't viewable in most instances. I plan on buying a new TV for the next gen hardware but it is tough because while OLED is beautiful tech the beauty isn't worth the anxiety.
100% agree. The worry might be worse than the issue itself. The second you change any habits... you've been affected by burn-in whether the TV has it or not.
I know the exact feeling. I have B5 and spent years worrying. Now? It is burnt in area of Destiny HUD and I worry no more. It looks annoying but not too bad.
OLED is over hyped... Also they are a super high profit margin product for their manufacturers, meaning they are over priced, arguably way over priced...
what if he is making huge bank in live game tournaments though?? if he is a random incel virign gamer which the majority of gamers are turning into... you're right...
@@julianchillby1024 because how often you get laid is equivalent to the amount of success in life. Honestly i never saw how being a virgin is a sign of being a loser. On the other hand a party goer who does drugs, and sleeps with multiple partners a night is considered a winner. Those who play these childish internet games i think are the ones we need to worry about, not the person they are directing these comments too.
I am a hardcore gamer and I have an OLED. You shouldn't base your decisions on anecdotal facts but this is my experience: I have been using a 65" LG B6 since March 2017. I play games for many hours a day (I clocked over 2.500 hours on dark souls in a year and a half). I play the same game everyday for months. I have had no burn-in issues with gaming content (even though the B6 is "older tech"), except for ONE. After playing God of War with HDR for three months straight everyday for at least 8-10 hours (there were 3 people playing and we went into NG+++), I did a panel test and found that Kratos' red static "Rage" bar on the bottom left of the screen appeared to have burned-in when viewing a solid red test screen. It looked like a very faint grey shadow. This was not noticable when viewing normal content, since it could be seen only if the screen was red or orange. When the screen was any other color (blue, green, etc) it was not visible at all. Several months later I did another test, and the "rage" bar Shadow has almost disappeared. It is still visible, but only barely. You really have to look for it, and only on a solid test screen of red or orange color. On other colors it is simply not there at all. So, even with an older OLED panel, hardcore gaming didn't seem to cause serious issues for me. HOWEVER I do have a small burn-in mark from another source: the TV's TH-cam App has a yellow icon on the bottom right of the screen constantly when doing anything but viewing a video. This yellow icon has burned-in and can be seen on red and yellow test screens. Granted, it is very small, and since I watch TH-cam everyday, I don't know if the burn-in mark would disappear if I stopped using the TH-cam App. Also it is not noticable when viewing normal content. So, summing up, my experience regarding burn-in is mostly positive. It seems that certain colors (yellow, red, orange) are more susceptible to burning-in, and indeed there might be a problem if you have a static image playing everyday for hours on end for months and months. But unless you plan on playing only one game everyday "forever", I wouldn't worry about burn-in. Especially on the newer OLED panels.
Appreciate you sharing your experience! As someone who plays Destiny 2 1800hrs per year, amongst other games, and watches TH-cam frequently, this has given me something to think about.
E Rice I’m in the same boat. I play the same games over and over for 4/10 hours a day since I’m disabled on a 2.5 year old lg c8 and don’t have any hud or minimap burn in. I play sniper elite more than anything which is heavy hud and minimap in both corners. I don’t baby the tv and don’t have to do anything special to it. If I tried the tv off it runs pixel refresh on its own. If I pause a game or tv show the tv goes into screen saver mode after about 10 minutes and if I sleep with the tv on the music channel the tv lowers the luminance of the channels logo. No worries
@@E_Rice Hi, if you vary your content in-between gaming you should be fine. Also, I don't know if the TH-cam app on the new OS has the same yellow icon (I hope not). And finally I think the newer OLED panels/software are much better at dealing with burn-in. What I failed to mention in my original comment is that even on the B6 OLED, the picture quality is stellar! So unless you are a very extreme case where you play ONLY Destiny 2 and watch absolutely nothing else, I would suggest you go with the OLED. 😉
Game developers should start making "oled modes" for their games. I honestly think we are at a point where that would actually make a great selling point of a game
@@andreyageenkov499 yeah or make them darker, like having black borders, rather than white. Same with apps on phones, people often get burn in from using tiktok because of all the white icons.
I've been gaming on a 4k HDR 65" OLED since late 2016/early 2017. Haven't had any issues to date, having owned a Plasma in the past just made sure I'd exit to menu w PS button periodically and whenever walking away for 5-10+ minutes I'd usually put it to sleep. I think the increase in picture quality is worth the minor inconvenience, plus they have that feature where it'll clear/clean the panel when shutting it off for the night.
Saying that you have been gaming since 2017 is not enough information. Are you a casual gamer or hard-core? How long do you play in one sitting, which type of games, what brightness?
@@hydrationrequirement9762 how about this.... You'll notice anyone complaining about it is coming from an older model from 2017-2018 or earlier. Current models from lg have pretty much eliminated most of the issues I've had a lg 2019 c9 oled for a year and game HARD and long and in 1 game only and it's one that 3 years ago caused burn in on my 2016 b6 within 3 months of ownership now more than 4x (probably like 8x) as much gaming has been done on my 2019 c9 in the exact same title and yet no issue whatsoever. If that doesn't tell you it's virtually a non issue with today's models I guess nothing will convince you
@@TJ.85 Saying that you have play games "hard and long" does not give any valuable information. For you playing long might mean 2 hours a day with 20 minutes break every hour, but for others playing long might mean playing 18 hours without any breaks. The guy in the video is saying that we have to consider the amount of time we play, how bright screen is, and static images in the games we play. Its great that you haven't experienced burn in but it is a real issue for "hardcore" gamers.
Burn in for OLED is CUMULATIVE! It does not occur like Plasma at all. Plasma burn in is not cumulative. Playing a game one hour a day for a week, is the same as playing a game for 7 hours in one day for OLED (not for Plasma though).
This is a major reason why I went with the Samsung Q90T 55 inch for gaming, even though the LG CX was within my price range. I don't plan on upgrading for a very long time because I want to save up and get a huge microLED in the far future. Plus the anti reflectivity/ brightness on the Q90T is way better suited for my bright living room. I'm not a fan of gaming or watching content in a dark room. Thanks again for all the information!
So how's that "anti reflection " rainbow laser beam effect treat ya? lol. (I have the q90t as well). Shine a flashlight at the panel...it's really weird.
Just picked up my 65” CX this past weekend. Frickn awesome coming from a 55” C6! I’m an old dude but my wife and I game about 1-3hrs per day about 4-5 days a week. Not expecting too many issues regarding burn in but I’ll keep you updated with any findings.
If people very content and take breaks there wont be any issues. Its mostly the samsung fans that's trying oled they blast they which they get burn in and roast OLED and they go back to qled..
kastlerock01 Got mine 2weeks ago and went to screen saver area and turned on pixel shift and put the logo control on high. I game about 5 hrs a day,mostly cod ww2. Every day after I’m done, I go on TH-cam and run a 3 minute video by Roman Deguili. Any of his videos will blow you away and it clears out any possible burn in issues..
@@Coloradocaliber I had the B7 and it suffered burn-in. I see others who had the B7 also did, too. I'm looking at getting the CX. I'm hoping the anti-burn technology has improved from then. But remember, you won't notice until maybe after 12-18 months of hard-core usage.
THis is the precise reason I went with Samsung. Loving my Q90T. Beautiful, bright image, excellent darks for LCD, all the best gaming features, ZERO RISK OF BURN IN OR WORRYING ABOUT BURN IN.
You mean the tv line that's all been knocked down a peg this year because Samsung couldn't come up with a new way to make you feel like a TV had Ana upgrade path? Yea know I'm good with the brand whose tvs quality from picture is exactly the same up and down the charts.
Led is making its mark, my Hisense H9G ,i''ll put up against any Oled. Oled hasn't changed in the last 4 years and LED is going to watch them in the rear view mirror real soon.Any company just getting into the oled game is just doing it for a money grab , no other reason. They know Oled will be dead in the next few years.
@@thomasvinelli what do you think led means exactly in connection with these game changing tvs? Because I hope you realize they everything out there besides oled is just the same old 25+ year old LCD (that's liquid crystal display and what's been used for decades for non crt based displays) and no amount of trying to gussy the naming scheme up to sound more like and confuse people with it vs oled (led qled miniled etc) its all just more of the same lcd weve had since the beginning of time (roughly). OLED hasn't changed in 4 years? SON that's cause it's hard to top perfection (but they keep working at it) and why I'm now 2 generations in on oled in 3 years time. LCD has to keep going through new identity crisis because they can't find anyway to take the top so they keep trying to "adapt" and copy that oled magic but it ain't happening. They can get close with something like that Sony studio reference ($40,000) dual layer lcd but even then it needs 2 freaking tv panels in it to do so. The only way lcd keeps up with oled is combing a bunch of these technolgies into 1. A dual layer lcd with massive full array local dimming using based on thousands if not 10s of thousands of mini led zones along with that additional, but necessary to come close to picture quality of oled, quantum dot panel. With all that in 1 TV (and by someone that knows what they're doing like Sony did with that studio reference one) I might consider them over OLED that's if they didn't do stupid things like no hdmi 2.1 or if they include its just 1 port or a limited version (all crap). The fact is there isn't a display like this and if it did exist it would cost way too much to make or beyond what anyone would be willing to spend. It's why it took a $40,000 son stiro reference screen to show that a lcd (when using all the tricks in the book) can look as good if not better than oled.
This is the perfect video I've been looking for! I am a hardcore gamer pumping hours and hours of time into my TV, and I was worried that if I got a oled tv I would be prone to burn-in, but I play a wide variety of games and this reduced my stress in buying a oled tv, and I still do understand that burn-in is still a risk, but it is now a risk I am willing to take.
I bought a Samsung with my PS3 on launch.. and it still works, but now i need a new one for my PS5! What TV did you got, if you got a new one? I play like 8 hours a day at max, but not every day.. i love playing FIFA and COD online! I can't decide which TV i should get.. The SONY XH90 / LG CX / SAMSUNG Q80T ?? If anyone could help me, i appreciate a lot!
Not saying oled burn in doesn’t exist. It does and can happen however. I have an Alienware 13 oled and can prove it because it’s the glass touch screen model from 2016. No burn in at all 4 years later. I uploaded a video showing no burn in on my channel and can upload another video
Joe Phillips I just filmed another video 2 years later I can upload to prove no burn it 2 years from my last upload date. AGAIN TOTALLY BELIEVE BURN IN HAPPENS but it’s rare even for pc and gaming if you treat it right. I’m going on 4 plus years with this thing.
Stay away from OLED. I bought the C8 and now i've paid the price. My panel is ruined and filled with dead pixels.. i am buying Q95T the end of this week.
Just ordered my first OLED LG C1 this week. Came across this video and feel more comfortable about my use case. I will be gaming on the next gen consoles a couple hours maybe a couple times a week. But nothing like 6-12 hours daily. I am pretty sure I should be okay over all. I normally only use my TV for gaming and watching shows under 20 hours a week, except weekends, but again mostly watching streamed shows then. Thanks for putting this into perspective.
Don't worry. You can play 12 hours a day, everyday, and you still won't get burn in, unless it's the same damn image non-stop for 12 hours a day for like months, which isn't possible
This could be solved if game developers gave us the option to adjust all hud elements opacities or had it so elements could periodically shift to the opposite side of the screen 🤷
Jesus MLG It’s so expensive for everybody. But it is becoming much less expensive than it used to be. And it doesn’t matter as long as enough people who game own them to where it makes sense to make these features more common. I mean, I just got Doom Eternal today and there is an opacity option for the HUD. Also for Ori and the Will of the Wisps, there are options to make the HUD extremely low brightness. These options are much more widely available than they used to be. The newer the game the more likely there is to be OLED friendly options.
Or it could be solved if people use a display tech that doesnt have permanant burn in as a going concern..... If only such thing exist...like a....liquid crystal display of sorts!
I have had a LG OLED55C9PUA 55" for nine months. It has 3,364 hours of Total Power On Time. I've used it as a PC monitor the whole time. I use it for video media editing, photo editing, heavy web browsing, video games, among other things. It shows no signs of "burn in", image retention, banding, image uniformity changes, or any kind of panel degradation. I don't know if I won the panel lottery or not, but by my personal experience, concerns of burn-in with these newer OLED TVs may be a bit overblown.
Well, it's not the amount of time you've used it, but what you've been watching/playing during that time. You obviously have not been watching something that has a bright static image on it. Or else you've would have had burn in. I own a B6, played the hell out of Destiny when it came out. 4-6 hours a day maybe. Burn-in set in after the second year.
Burn in on 2018+ OLED panels/TV's is pretty much none-existing. You mostly hear about it from LCD owners, trying to justify their purchase. I have 1000 if not 1500 hours of gaming on my C9 on full brightness and zero burn in.
Obviously, just 9 months cant affect the display, just wait few years end see what happens. You can use a LCD for 10 years with no signs of time passing, try to do the same with an OLED end you will end with a total mess. Personally I will wait MicroLED tecnology that promise to be the best of the 2 actual panels.
Very good explanation, I think that most people either think that oled always get burn in eventually or that oled can not get burn in in "regular use". But this is not right, it all about the content you view on an oled display. You explain how real content can affect burn in issues. I saw many phones with rgb oled get very bad burn in but my phone that has rgb oled and used for 4 years does not have any burn in .
I work as an LG ambassador and i agree with this video. BUT, i would say there are measures the user can take to minimalise risks, such as using LG's "pixel refresher" feature after extended gameplay use. LG also forces the TV to do this after 700 hours of use and theres also things like pixel shift and auto Logo luminance adjustments that the TV can read and implement depending on the input source. I hope newer games have such info embedded on their games so the TV's ca help minimalise risks
Thank you for making this video. It's nice to have someone knowledgeable talk about extended gaming sessions on an OLED. I'm getting the LG CX because it's ideal for my use case, and this video helped me feel even more comfortable with that decision. Cheers.
Did you get the LG CX? How has it held up? And if you don't mind my asking... what was/is your use case? I have a PS5 and intend on playing it regularly but I normally only get about 1-4 hours in a day, if that. My wife and I will also use it daily for tv, movies, and sports. Thanks for your time!
I’m glad to hear someone that shares my same sentiment with OLED. Excellent picture quality but LG and their gaming advertisement then saying burn in isn’t from normal use is just trash. That’s like Ferrari saying we won’t cover your warranty unless you keep it under 65 for the life of the car, meanwhile advertising how fast it is and it’s road holding at high speeds. I’ve bought even the CX and ended up returning it because it just rings in the back of my head, this is a $1,500 TV that may get burn in for what is “normal use” for me. If LG said this is not for frequent gamers or not for people that watch news often, that would be one thing. Otherwise I see it as blatant deceptive marketing and not only that but using a completely subjective term “normal user” when it is normal these days for folks to game significantly more on top of being in the house all day from the pandemic. I think LG makes good stuff but, it’s not worth the expense to be that pissed off consumer because you don’t meet their definition of “normal” despite a nice big GSYNC READY sticker on the side of the box.
Exactly it is really dumb what LG classifies as "normal usage" in our household the kids watch Cartoon channels with Big bright Logos my wife watchea news channels again bright Logo. And i use the tv as a pc monitor and also game on it. I cant worry all the time if the tv might get burn in. On Top of that in my country they dont offer burn in extra warranty
Friend .. really .. this is the same with Intel processors and the support memory 2666 .. 10900K/10700K still only 3000Mhz ... haha like a joke .. (this is like use a ferrari here in brazil .. all streets very poor with big holes)
I’m a power gamer and I’m so thankful I came across this video I’ll probably get an oled for the living room but I’ll stick to a full array for my my gaming consoles.
I play a lot of video games in my LG C1 TV. But just like Stop the Fomo suggested in the video: I always vary my content (and games). Haven't had any problems with the screen so far. I think it's great that the high end TVs are so close when it comes to the picture quality.
I had an OLED B7 from May 2018 until April 2020. I gamed 90% on it. Sold it without any burn in let alone image retention (I think I had about 2.5k hours on it). I gamed on a plasma from 2009 until 2018 (Samsung plasma and then Panasonic ST50). Had minor temporary image retention but it would go away. Now I have two C9’s and no issues so far (bought them April 2020). I turn my brightness down on the OLEDs because I find it to be too bright so I slap on eco low or medium. I’m sure that probably helped Edit: redditors have been successful saying they have had their panel swapped even 2 or 3 years after their 1 year warranty has expired. Ymmv I’m sure. For me, I have the 5 year warranty from Best Buy for my C9s.
ATI Radeon right, but some folks have shown “burn in” as early as 2000 hours (see techgiants CX video with approx 2000 hours). Depends on use. I have experience with plasma TVs so I know how to avoid burn in, let alone image retention. So far, the oleds I have/had, didn’t even experience image retention. Might have to do with me turning on eco mode from time to time. Might be because modern games have varied content. For example; I spent over 40 hours playing bloodstained on the ps4. Over 70 hours ff7 remake. No image retention or burn on on the b7; which doesn’t have the more burn in precautions the C9 has. Of course like you said could be the hours, or could be a mixture of content/reduced brightness. Point is, I’m not going to worry about burn in but if it was a concern for a potential buyer, I’d recommend getting the Best Buy warranty, or try your hand without one and attempt the free LGs panel swap (some have shown success this year replacing their 6 or 7 series with a new panel) or go for an lcd.
I bought an Panasonic Plasma Flat screen I think 12-14 years ago. It was one of the first plasmas. They also had this burn in myth. I think I played hundreds or thousands of hours on it. Gran Turismo, Fifa, COD, Battlefield etc. The TV is still running and have no burn in. Now I plan to get an LG CX OLED. If it runs 5 years without burn in I am happy. But of course I play 2-3 hours a day at max.
Honestly your videos are just superior. The most useful info I've got with regards to TV's has been from your channel. I cba to watch reviewers waffle on about stats and specs the entire time that really dont mean that much to me, and sometimes dont paint an accurate picture in real world use. I like how you basically summarise those videos and explain it in real world terms.
Great Video!!!! And you are absolutely correct. Its all about the use case. As a fellow gamer, I was highly concerned about burn in. This video has helped me to understand how burn in can happen, the likeliness of it happening (influenced by the brightness of static images), and what warranty will cover it (I would have never guessed Best Buy lol). I greatly appreciate you sharing this. Awesome job!!!
Hi, Quick question about the panel. I noticed micro dots (white) on the panel. It's flawless, but I don't know how to explain it. If you want to do the test, take a soft cloth or a microfiber, and with the flash of your phone, come close by looking about ten centimeters away from your panel (TV off) and tell me if you see these dots. It looks like an imperfection, I'd just like to see if other people see it. the dots are the size of the head of a pin, it is necessary to observe well There's no bump then, is there under the screen? It's not an impact, and it doesn't go away when you rub it with a microfiber. It looks like a cotton deposit but I can't define it. It's all over the Panel. The television is brand new. Thank you for doing the test, I would just like to be reassured that this is inherent in glass panels. th-cam.com/video/JW26_4ww2Ms/w-d-xo.html
Dude. So jealous. I'm in the middle of a career transition and need to pinch every penny right now. Hoping to get a PS5 and a new tv in 3 year's time. Let me live vicariously through you for now. 😂
I am a games developer and have just bought a CX. the risk is real. But I made my purchase off the back of several conversations with my colleagues and they still recommended oled. I game every day for several hrs, but my choice of games changes rapidly as I’m a designer and research as many games as I can. I’m crossing my fingers
Concerning avoiding burn-in as a power user, it's actually rather straightforward, as I see it. It's not so much about using dark mode in apps, although that does help. But having pixels turned off, doesn't save them from showing static content. As mentioned, showing various content does, as it 'massages' the pixels, preventing them from getting stuck showing one thing. So all you have to do, is to leverage the large amounts of idle time, there usually is on a PC for a power-user. If you're anything like me, your PC will be idling for hours, while you're doing different things. In that time, you can easily have the TV/monitor show varied content, thus reducing the chance of burn-in, as the pixels showing static menus, will now also get to show other things to a great degree. The easiest way to do this, is to get a large quantity of desktop backgrounds, which Windows can then cycle between every few minutes. A more advanced solution is to use something like Wallpaper Engine and have it show an ever-changing background, making sure your TV/monitor has it's pixels properly massaged. I'd use something like 'Moving Floor', 'Moving Boxes', 'Moving Droplets', 'Gradient Moving Background', 'Moving Backgrounds Crystal Cave', 'Colorful Rainbow Gradient', or any other background which will constantly shift the colors shown by every pixel on the screen. Then you just leave your desktop on when you idle, go do stuff, and let the background do the work of making sure your OLED won't suffer from burn-ins.
The problem with that is that you still keep the tv on for no reason so it will still die relatively fast compared to just shutting the tv off or going with a Samsung display and since it would be extremely annoying in my opinion to turn off the tv every time your not explicitly using it which is why I went with a Samsung Q95T I did recommend my father to go for Oled though since he doesn't game and only watches movies and or television for 2 to 4 hours a day which is fine but since I GAME 4 up to 12 hours a day, yeah well I would just destroy it in no joke 2 to 4 years. Unless I would go full eco mode on it or something stupid like that and put the brightness from 700 nits down to 400 or 350. Good thing that both options are available though so everyone can get what they want.
@@zoopa9988 Having the TV turned on itself doesn't kill the pixels by itself. Having the pixels display static content for long periods of time does. Hence the solution I suggest in my comment.
@@ConsiderableFlux O, I see, but even then you still need static images on screen when gaming and if you use the tv as much as I plan to do 4 up to 12 hours daily I think it's still not doable. But good to know, thx.
@@zoopa9988 Well, I usually have my PC idling a lot of the day. So even if I game for four hours, it might idle for just as long. Running a dynamic background which shifts all the pixels in those time periods, should do a lot to prevent burn-in. Even if it's just for half an hour or an hour, it would do a lot.
I just went with Samsung Q80T for a few reasons. - $700 cheaper (in Canada) - 2nd best image quality - works with gsync - zero risk of burn in - CX was sold out everywhere lol
Great idea! I'm gonna make him my background display photo on my phone. Then turn the screen to full brightness forever and hopefully his white gloves will burn into my screen 🧤
@@Alex_Eh I love it, I had it professionally calibrated and the difference in picture is astounding--I only wish I had a bigger room so I could've purchased a bigger TV!
Got my CX the day it was available with a 3 year extended warranty from Best Buy. Did my research before hand and best buys warranty is what sold me. I'm good😎
ADommM Laughing at Boomers Thats not necessarily true. It’s all dependent on his usage habits and just how avid of a gamer he is. If he games for 8 hours, almost every day for 3 years, burn-in can definitely happen.
Yikes and congrats. Congrats on the tv choice yikes on what you must have paid. I got 65" 4 months after release for $1700 vs the $3500 asking price at the time. Based on the spend alone I could use this one up completely and even throw it away when worn out and replace it with another newer model down the road for about the same or less and still end up ahead of a day 1 purchase from best buy with their extended warranty.
Yea I'm a massive gamer, I wouldn't of gotten the tv if I couldn't get burn in covered, I'm not gonna lie I wouldn't be surprised if I did get burn in b4 the best buy warranty kicks in, even tho I vary my content, but I'm not sweating it, by the time it becomes a problem I'll just upgrade anyway
OLEDs may be beautiful to look at, BUT when i get home from work and gym the last thing i want to do is worry about my tv's health when i'm slaying monsters, i'll keep my q90T until micro led is out...
Fully agreed. Especially the price tag which makes it worse. Around 2 grand worth of device which is prone to burn is a no no. My friend has an LG C7 OLED and claimed at the time just after purchase , there is no such thing as burn in. Now he admitted there is burn in after examining the TV. The look on his face says it all. I will never buy OLED unless the manufacturer will honour the warranty which will never happen.
I'm waiting to buy the Samsung Odyssey G9 49' 240hz ultra wide-screen 5120x1440 2ms G2G 1000R curved monitor once it is confirmed the VRR flicker has been resolved, that is one amazing screen and its currently £220 cheaper than the 48' cx too which is an added bonus.
@stryfetc1 I also wish it had more than one hdmi 2.1 port because pc gpu's are going 2.1 and ps5 is 2.1 also, I don't want to have to switch them out everytime, other than that it's a good choice
I have an lg oled tv and I can confirm it DOES burn in. I mostly game with the tv, I'd say 3-4hrs a day on avg with maybe a little more on weekends. The tv is only 2 yrs old at this point. I have "Netflix" burnt in the bottom right corner and a few hud icons from various games burnt into the screen in a few other places. I have the screen shift setting activated and try "washing" it with the various videos ment to clear screen burn on a regular basis. You cant always see it, it seems to have something to do with specific colors. Very visible in reds and blues, in other colors it doesn't show as bad. The T.V. is awesome, but as a gamer I wont be buying another even tho it is the best display. Hope this helps someone with their decision.
I agree people are not noticing the burn in until a beach or snow or sunset scene. I hope tech will continue to advance and deal with the problem instead of sweeping it under the rug.
@@oparei8725 Unfortunately, the very nature and strength of OLED is ultimately its weakness. You'd have to fundamentally change the display tech to get around the uneven degradation of diodes.
Have Fortnite UI, Shenmue 3 UI and Persona 5 UI burnt into my OLED. It sucks. And the constant worrying and babying sucks as well. I bought a Samsung Q95T and while it doesn't look quite as good as an OLED it's such a comfort knowing I can game for as long as I like and not worry.
The brightness you run the backlight at also greatly I fluences this. I'm used to a bright screen so I always had my oled back light on max and the colour settings high. I even had to increase the ps4 game settings brightness on many games as Game Mode in LG sets can affect colours. My advice. Don't think about using oled as a computer monitor screen. That white background is grey BTW. My oled started to show persistent image retention after weeks and burn in after 5 months. I now have a led TV again after a full refund..
@@TechWiz1983 not really, it's easier to get burn it at the start as the tv is brighter.... but in would say rtings burn in test was for old oled models about 4 or 5 years old. The panels are different and theres much more burn in preventive measures... especiall for bright static images which were problems on the older models.
I’ve had a C9 OLED for at least a year. I game on it A LOT, with lots of static huds and very long sessions. I enable all of the anti burn in countermeasures, I don’t leave it sit idle with a static image for more than a few minutes, and I shut it off if I’m not sure how long I’ll be away from the TV. I’ve got probably well over 1000 hours of gaming on it, and no burn in. I do check it occasionally to make sure, but it’s hasn’t been an issue so far.
Thanks for making this video. It’s extremely informative and talks to the buyer base that most reviewers have avoided. I have an LG B9 and I put hundreds of hours a week gaming. One example was over 20 hours on AC: Odessey (it was just too gorgeous to put down and I had the time). As for FIFA you can turn off all HUD elements during gameplay. Another recommendation for players is to have “logo luminance adjustment” on high. You can find this option in the TVs menu. Finally, always check the games menu for HUD brightness adjustment. For example Destiny 2 with HDR on is gorgeous, but the HUD brightness goes up exponentially. Luckily Bungie has an option in the video settings to lower the HUD brightness. The caveat is that not all games with HDR have this option. At the end of the day do your research and assess what your acceptable level of risk is. I’m perfectly fine with grinding FIFA on the weekends with the options I’ve described above enabled.
Wow! I'm so glad when I bought my LGx65xC9 OLED TV from Best Buy, I purchased that $500 5-year warranty bc the guy told me it does cover burn-in & anything else besides physical damage. (I've been wondering if that was a good investment or not, but you have made me feel really good about that 5 year warranty!) *Thanks for this video!!!*
Had a LG b6 where i watched varied content and i have burn in of the youtube search bar on the lower right hand corner along with the netflix logo. The youtube tv icon on the top left and some shadowing from the rdr2 hud in the lower left. Content was always different and never on for too long yet after three years this is what i get. Needless to say i am going with a qled for next gen gaming. *for those wondering I've had the TV in ISF Dark Mode since I bought the TV and it's never strayed from that picture mode*
Same experience for me with LG b6. Also, considering Netflix/Disney+/plex/TH-cam have interfaces consisting of high contrast tiles against darker backgrounds, burn-in can happen under non gaming circumstances. I’m waiting for this years qled.
In case you didn't know, Triluminos is Sony's version of QLED. Sony X900H VA LCD 4K TV with HDMI 2.1 has you covered for next-gen consoles. (I believe only 2 out of the 4 HDMI ports support 2.1)
@Freeze Peach no but what does matter is the year of the panel in question if it's 2018 or earlier yes a good chance burn in could occur but a 2019 or 2020? Its virtually a non issue. I know from personal and long term testing done though my own terrible usage scenarios. Ones that caused burn in within 3 months on my 2016 yet now after a year (and about 10x the amount of the exact same game) my 2019 c9 shows 0(zero) signs of burn in. That's 1500+ hours of the same in a year where before the 2016 showed signs of it in about 3 months or about 200 hours of play. To act like it never was a problem is silly it most certainly was but to also act like it hasn't been mitigated to point of virtually impossible is also silly. LG advertising them as gaming displays today is because that's how confident you'll be satisfied and not file a class action lawsuit. Trust me they did the math and they know the benefits far outweigh the risk today.
I purchased OLED C7 in Nov 2017 and started seeing bands on screen in Feb - March 20. LG techies came to check the screen . i was surprised when they showed me the burn- in on pink screen with the totals hrs -5300 . I fortunately have purchased extended warranty on TV & i have asked for complete refund. I like OLED very much, I enjoyed my time watching movies , music Videos & sports. but never was gamer . I now have purchased X950G 75 inch for Dolby ATMOS & Vision which Samsung don't have , other wise i would have gone for Q80. Even though i like OLED CX , don't want to face the Burn-in risk again. i was lucky this time.
Look this is not a gamer issue , it's a company issue (LG,Sony,Vizio) The technology itself is the issue, stop buying into this is the users fault, its B.S. The issue with Oleds is the nature of the technology itself. Case closed. LG or anybody that makes Oleds knows this.All they care about is profits. Any company that makes Oleds know it's a money grab because they know people buy into the BS these companies put out. That also applies to LED also , but we don't worry about burn in and led technology will surpass oleds it's only a matter of time and oled goes away .
Paddyhudson that’s me. I’m disabled retired and I play 4-10 hours a day depending what’s in tv at 7 or 8pm. I play the same handful of games over and over on a 2.5 year old lg c8. I don’t have any hud or minimap burn in. I also don’t babysit the tv.
Is it that big of a difference to play casual pc games for immersive experience without gsync on Samsung q90t ? I mean how many notebooks for thousands are sold without gync. For competitive things to have a monitor and for immersive experience non gsync TV would be such a difference ?
I just received my LG CX earlier this week. I went with that, for I wanted to up my viewing experience with shows and console gaming. I was previously using a Sony LCD. And G-DAMN does it look so much better with HDR content; shows and gaming. Really amazing. I seem to do more gaming on average with my PC, and it's ASUS LCD IPS monitor. But there are some games exclusive to the PS that I wanted to enjoy. The Last of US 2, and now Ghosts of Tsushima are prime examples. I use to spend a lot of time playing Overwatch daily on my previous Sony LCD TV. But now I hardly play that on the PS4. But still, spend some time daily on the PC. My wife also enjoys gaming on the PS4 with games like Mortal Kombat and Stardrew Valley. So we'll need to keep an eye out for persistent images, and seeing if there are ways to change the HUD to make them less persistent. I got it from Best Buy and went with the extended warranty. That was an added 20% cost to the TV. It was mainly for peace of mind if something went wrong with the TV, then they would come out and fix it or replace it. Also with Covid it's a lot harder to get a buddy and their van/pickup to help me make the trip. It also made me feel a bit easier regarding the possibility of burn-in. Thanks for this video. It has some good practical info to consider if burn in is a potential issue for the user or not. Now I feel a bit more relaxed about things for 2 reasons; 1 I'm not currently a HC gamer on my PS4, and I have the BB extended Warranty.
It's great, I sit here with my Sony x930e... I get a higher peak brightness and I don't have to worry about this stupid burn in risk. If you have to baby your tv beyond cleaning and what not, don't buy it. Spend the money on an led with more local dimming zones and a better panel, you'll be way happier
This is the video I needed. I am a hard-core gamer. I was considering an OLED tv for my upgrade and to prepare for the PS5. I do play games like Fifa. I also play other games though. So I vary content. But I do play for long hours each day. This has given me some points to think about.
If you play FIFA long session u already knows from long time ago what tv 4k we need.... only QLED can survive such long period of time nothing else ....
lalo38th i play the same games over and over for 4/10 hours a day since I’m disabled on a 2.5 year old lg c8 and don’t have any hud or minimap burn in. I play sniper elite more than anything which is heavy hud and minimap in both corners. I don’t baby the tv and don’t have to do anything special to it. If I tried the tv off it runs pixel refresh on its own. If I pause a game or tv show the tv goes into screen saver mode after about 10 minutes and if I sleep with the tv on the music channel the tv lowers the luminance of the channels logo. No worries
I'm well over 2000 hours on my C9 heavy 18hr sessions pc gaming. Not one sign of burn in. Don't let these fuckin dudes fool you. Oleds have no comparison to any other TV.
I bought the 55in LG cx OLED at best buy today paid $1,350 for it, then i purchase the 5yr warranty for additional $300 which covers burn in ect? The best advice I can give anyone that's worried about burn in, make sure u buy the warranty which covers everything.
Knowing these risks, what else are you considering besides OLED TV? TIMESTAMPS 00:00 START 1:25 Hardcore Gaming on OLED 3:19 Results of 9000 hour Burn-In Test 5:26 Assess Burn-In Risk 8:57 HDR Gaming issues 10:24 Manufacturer’s Warranty Protection 12:39 Extended Warranty: what to buy
@@CaveyMoth - "OLED friendly"? Haha. I would say it's time to design display technology that will match OLED pixel level light control and match or exceed high luminance LCD brightness with no burn-in worries. Micro-LED should be the answer.
Yea,, I’m thinking we need to make our voices heard to platform holders who in turn can encourage developers to more frequently include HUD Opacity controls in game as well as the ability to outright turn the HUD off.
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 But there are games like Crysis 2 with dynamic HUDs that move and are transparent. And sometimes, the HUD is integrated into the gameplay itself, à la Far Cry 2 and Dead Space.
I have an OLED, and use it all the time with my PS4 and no issues. But I never play the same game for more then 4 hours at a time. No issues, my tv is an LG CX.
Sounds like next gen games should be thinking of designing UI to allow users to tweak the transparency and contrast of on-screen items. As a PC user especially in MMO's this has been a thing for years, but it was mainly just used as a way to reduce on-screen distractions. One thing I noticed from the horrible Halo Infinite trailer is that the on-screen UI was fairly dull and transparent and that would probably combat burn-in quite well. Maybe if enough people make noise about the situation, developers might listen.
I'm a hard-core user of my C7 OLED. I have a 2min timer on the dimmer, use pixel refresh and pixel shift and have setting on the xbox to combat any burn in. I feel like not having any of that turned on and playing a very static hub game could be an issue, but just be proactive and there isn't much to worry about.
I only play games a couple of hours a week, but feel sorry for people who have invested in an OLED and can't actually use it with what they want. It shouldn't be called a TV. It should be called something else if we can't use it as a BLOODY TV. No logos, gaming, black bars, etc etc. Call it an OLED display and have warnings if your warranties won't cover us.
love how the majority of people that complain about burn in are people that don't even own an OLED. They either experienced it once back in 2016 or never have experienced it and want to justify their purchase of a QLED or LED Tv. People who own OLED stop worrying about burn in after a month and then surprise surprise the tv lasts them years. Also seriously if someone is investing 9K hours in 2 years on fifa they need to worry about their life not their tv
@@spinachpies besides i play atleast 3 hours a day daily on my oled And have been for ages without any care for burn in (because i got a warranty) and even now when i run a test. Thwre is no burn in. And i have put this tv through the depths. One of my main games to play Is Fifa 21 in HDR on PS5 meaning the images are brighter. My old OLED back in 2017 got burn in quite easily tho and thats when i switched to QLED. Tried OLED again and the tech has definitrly improved. I haven't run any manual Pixel refreshers or anything. The worst part about Burn in isn't the burn in it's the fear spread around
@@dakshbiala56 dude, read your post. You said you have warranty against burn in.... That's why you're not worried. Also, if your new OLED is only a couple of years old, that's not long enough to know what could happen.
I have now used OLED for about three years for gaming, watching TH-cam, and movies. I have frequent temporal image retention from the PS4 UI and from my favorite games, permanent burned-in TH-cam logo, and constant fear of further burn-in when using. As nice it is... it was when it was new I think I won't be buying another OLED. If you watch only movies on it, then it's fine.
I think the lack of warranty is due to abuse concerns. Someone wants a replacement, they leave it on a static image near the end of the warranty, and file a claim. I think with the increasing red sub pixel and all the other tech such as logo luminescence and pixel shift, it is far more unlikely to happen than in years past. The LG's have definitely changed since the sets Rtings started testing. I think this is why LG lowkey does panel replacements out of warranty, that way they can always say no but can keep customers happy that do call. I purchased a C9 last year, and opted to get a better deal online than buy from BB for the Geek Squad Warranty. I paid about $1200 with tax for a 55" C9, at the time the same purchase would of run me $200-$300 more at BB, plus the cost of Warranty at over $300, I figured I will just enjoy my set, I think it is HIGHLY unlikely to get burn in sooner than 2 years even with frequent gaming, and in that time the $600 plus I saved can be set aside for whenever I am ready to buy the next set. When the cost of the warranty is 25% plus of the TV, IMO if you are financially responsible, you are way better off just saving the cash.
And just a little tidbit on geek squad coverage, they only replace the tv after manufacturers warranty meaning you would have to wait the year out if you got burn in with the first year. This is the one case wear the geek squad protection is beneficial because for example if your particular model isnt in stock anymore they would replace the television with the most recent model which is a bitter sweet plus because it means you got burn in but you get a brand new TV
This is ridiclous ive a kid to babysit not going to do that with my tv. So glad i went with samsung q90t gaming and watching movies in 4k HDR is awesome on this tv. With oled i feel like i have to prepare a checklist half an hour everytime before i turn on the damn thing
they should market oled as casual gaming displays lol.all oled displays at my best buy had burn in within a year.most people here that comment that they don't have burn are actually not typical cases.infact,the typical burn in rate for oled would be about a year at 8 hours a day of mixed usage.in other words,a family sharing an oled would most certainly add burn in to an oled before a year.
Thank you this is exactly the kind of review I needed. As a hardcore mmorpg player with the static UI loaded at all time I guess I'll have to wait for Samsung to release a 4k TV with more than lolonehdmi 2.1 port.
I truly appreciate ur TH-cam channel, it helped me a lot when I was replacing my 2011 64' Samsung Plasma TV. I finally was convinced that the LG OLED77CXPUA was the one I wanted for my family rm which I also use for gaming and watching regular shows and movies. I want to update u on the Warranty, I was going to buy it at BestBuy because of their inclusion of Burn-in in their warranty but they only offered 2 yr 0% finance whereas Brandsmart in FL offered the same model for the same price but with a 4yr 0% payment plan. And to my surprise they also offered the 5 yr warranty which also covered Burn-in! I specifically asked and read the details.
I was going to bring up about current gen games with HDR nowadays being a high risk for burn in but you actually spoke about it lol. For serious gamers OLED’s are a big no no even though they run content slightly better vs QLED
💯. If someone is rocking 5-6hr per day of the same static UI they will burn in. You do not want your new $2k TV to die in a year, it's not worth the risk for the minimal gains of CX VS q90 or visio quantum.
that's why even if the LG CX is as gorgeous as it is, i'm never going back to OLED after my B6 got 4-5 HUD elements burnt into the panel. looking into getting a QLED or Sony LED atm.
After getting burn-in on my LG OLED B7 55 inch TV in 2 years time I don't think I can trust LG and OLED TVs anymore. Apparently LG does not offer that one time panel replacement in Austria/EU and are asking for 1050€ if I want my TV fixed (panel replaced). And that "pixel refresh" feature which should correct burn-in marks actually made it worse by spreading the marks all around the initial burn-in. What a waste of 1500€. I hope others are more lucky with their OLED TVs.
If I was going to upgrade my tv once every 2-3 years then I would get the OLED. Because I intend on holding onto my tv for many more years and I game more than other uses then I can’t justify it. Irritating because I want the best picture. Then again most games are more about vivid colours and I think with the higher nits of LED it makes sense overall.
If you're in the UK, Samsung have a 10 year burn in warranty on they're TVs, -even the OLEDs. I've actually gone for the LG C1 (arrives monday!!!) as I like the OSD and the inputs are on the better side for my setup, and I'm not worried too much about burn-in as there is better built-in protections each model year, and got the John Lewis 5 year protection plan for £100 which explicitly covers burn-in. I'm covered as well under my household insurance for any accidental damage after that. I'm upgrading from a 12 year old LG 42 that I use for everything, so the upgrade is going to be amazing moving to 4k OLED at 120hz. Can't wait!
Thanks for the video. This definitely needed to be said. I am a hardcore gamer looking to replace a burnt OLED. I'm leaning towards the Q90T. Is there something else I should be looking at as well?
I am pretty set on LG 65 inch CX OLED for my set. Especially as a gamer. Should I wait for Black Friday or jump on it now at 2300? It is normally 2500.
I went for the Sony Bravia XH90 over the Sony Bravia A9S OLED TV since I can't be taking the risk as I game alot plus open world games are the new norm these days. I will carry on enjoying OLED displays on my Sony Xperia 1-ii and Galaxy devices like the new S7+ which I have ordered. Will see what the future holds for OLED TV's as companies like LG and Sony still are heavily invested in them.
Barack Obama yes. I have a C7, and the health bar in Apex Legends is burned in as well as the ultimate gauge. Not extremely noticeable but in certain scenes it can be seen.
Yep my b6 from 2016 has parts of destiny hud burned in and it's only noticeable on a full field red screen (hence those are the pixels that have "dimmed") My 2019 c9 on the other hand has had 4-8x as much of the exact same game and over a year now vs the 3 months it took with the b6 and still the c9 shows no signs of any issue. They really hack nailed the issue down to only the worst of the worst situations.
What does it mean to buy OLED for G synk and HDR feature? If we will not able to play online matches as long time on PS5 with LG OLED. 🤔 Fear "Burn In" Samsung QLED gives 10 years burn in warranty. Games are made for Entertainment purposes not the tension of Burn In.
Gamer here. Bought the LG C7 OLED during June 2018 and now November 2020, only two super small dead pixels that you have to search for to even see them but not a single sign of burn-in. I use the built-in pixel refresher once every week or two, use automated brightness and when I play in the dark, I lower it even more. I also use the blue light filter so the image is even less bright and avoid using HDR except for the story driven games with dynamic HUD. Each OLED gamer should adjust the OLED Light and Brightness so that the image isn't too bright. My eyes are a little sensitive toward bright lights so for me it isn't an issue (I have to use sunglasses mostly during summer anyway as my eyes would get irritated easily for a long exposure under the sun). I've also heard that Xbox One has some kind of a luminescence adjustment you can use? I think both PS5 and Xbox Series X/S should have it also.
I have played well over 1500 hrs of COD on my C9 65, with no noticeable burn in. That is both PS4, PS5 and PC with a 3080. I have since upgraded my PC monitors and have used them almost exclusively due to fear of burn in. My C9 has 2500 hours. Also with the shut downs, my viewing/playing hours have gone up and with that I make sure to try and let it rest and manually do a screen refresh.
I play on my oled and have no issues I also had a Sony 900f which is the older Sony version without the X1ultimate and it use to bug me if u did look directly at the screen it looks distorted and played ok with games but playing on the LG Oled with its AI sound is amazing u can actually hear like if someone on the side of u. I didn’t go for the Sony Oled cause those are more susceptible to burn in since they don’t have a pixel refresher like the LG
@@carcleaver743 ive already bought the 65 inch x90h XD. Although my next upgrade im planning an oled. Which is then they'd probably made the chance for burn-in even lower.
@@kabutothedragon Hey bro are you liking that tv with your ps5 how is your experience and graphics on it PLEASE TELL BRO CAUSE I AM ALSO THINKING TO BUY THIS TV SONY X900h
@@maxtodd3766 this is my first 4k tv, I jumped from 1080 to 4k and ps4 standard to ps5 so from my experiece this a huge boost the difference is way too good, but i dont recommend buying the x90h tho, I also regretted it since the upgrade firmware hdmi 2.1 was fake, its still running at 4k/60fps. You can notice it hard on tomb raider where the graphics was insane but the fps drop was kinda meh. Id say wait for Bravia xr i think their hdmi 2.1 there is legit. Id give you an honest advice dont buy a tv that is below 2020.
@@kabutothedragon should I buy an lg cx oled then cause my ps5 will be delivered in 7 days and I am dying for new 4k tv so should I go for lg cx oled??
I bought the 65" OLED CX and its amazing. I also got the extended warranty from Best Buy. But I am also a casual gamer, couple hours here and there and maybe a few days in a row. Besides that Apple TV is on or some other programming. I do have a question though, will the choice of display matter? Example would be like choosing cinematic over vivid or other options that don't brighten the display to its max. Just a thought. Thank you for the video, it is very well informed.
I’ve had the C9 for a year now I use various modes but mostly Dolby digital cinema mode with the Apple TV and the game mode with games. I play some pretty bright Nintendo games and pc games like you for a few hours a night. Not had any burn in issues. I think you’ll be fine as you use it for various things. There are also burn in protections in the settings that I just leave on not really noticed any difference in image quality. I’ve really enjoyed the tv it’s great 👍🏽
I played Ghost of Tsushima a LOT. Played about 3-5hours a day until I finished the game with a Platinum. On that final day, when shutting of the game and viewing other content I got a darkend area on the right side of the TV. It was shaped like a rainbow going from the center right of the screen to the down center of the screen. When I tried to shut the TV off I recieved a message on the TV, something about 2000hours screentime and that a pixel refresh was going to be enabled...after that the darkend ”rainbow” disapeared. Cant say if it was gaming related or not...regardless, Im happy with my C9
I have my (expensive) solution: ● Get the OLED to your heart's content. Play on it varied games, for reasonable hours, preferably games that are devoid of static bright HUDs. ● Get another computer monitor to your liking (UltraWide, 300Hz, etc) for hard-core long gaming sessions.
My solution buy a 2019 or newer oled (and not have to worry about burn in cause it's pretty much eliminated) Pay only about half the retail cost and absolutely zero extra warranty to cost even more. If SOMEHOW I end up with burn in and it's such a problem I can't take it I just go out and buy another (and probably years newer) model for again about half the retail pricing and love happy knowing I got 2 tvs for the price of 1 (roughly). Anyone going into best buy and paying sticker price is a fool and you know what they say about fools and their money (easily separated).
@@TJ.85 every year they release an oled TV and they always say to get the previous year or newer. They've been saying it for 10 years now. Oled is fukn trash.
@@blair5475 no one has to buy a TV every year. Oled doesn't really have a problem with it anymore since 2019 models forward. Qled and led are just another name for lcd the same old tech that's been a round for 30+ years and it's on its way out next year almost all the manufacturers including Samsung will be going oled (and being Samsung they'll go from blasting oled in commercials to singing its praises once they are the ones trying to sell it to you) They'll throw quantum dots on it and call the problem 100% resolved. And all you oled haters will just eat it up and jump right on the bandwagon. But honestly I don't care at the end of the day my tech will be what ultimately wins and just means more choices and better prices for my next model.
I dont mess with any display technology that gets burn-in. The current FALD LED sets look as good as the best plasmas from 10 years ago (with the possible exception of the Pro-111FD...that thing was fierce) so I am quite happy with them. I game to my hearts content on my TCL-6 and never have to even think about burn-in.
@@Docan690 its an IPS panel. Ips is Ips. Black levels in dim room will be 4x worse than Q80T. Nano 90 is still a better tv because lg has better color science
Also there are other games that are a real risk retro consoles, you know almost all retro games have a lot of HUB elements, score, time, life, powers etc. Yeah OLED have a beautiful colors, and amazing dark tones but the risk of burn in and the degrade of organics are something that at least for me it does not compensate the advantages.
Secret Sauce is overrated yes, everything is covered. They replaced my panel for dead pixels and banding even after my warranty expired for a “one time” replacement
I’m a hardcore gamer I play a lot of COD and I play it on my LG Oled BX and no burn in. It looks just as good as when I bought it a year ago And I play about 4 to 6 hours a day. And all day on my off days. No issues and I make sure to utilize the pixel refresher. Also purchased a New CX to see if I can’t cut the game play in half on each tv
Want an OLED but only game max 3 hours every couple of days. I am worried about burn-in so that makes me question if the OLED is for me or not. Still need to do more research but this video tells me I shouldn't have a problem as long as I mix up my games.
I actually haven't bought an OLED yet, but when black Friday comes, I'm going for LG CX. Of course burn-in is a risk, but there is coming new TV tech in 3-4 years. So I almost hope that my TV brake about that time, so I have a reason to buy new one in 3-4 years. And when look the alternatives,... I just don't find any better. I would love QLED brightness, but I hate halos and I will watch movies also. And I'm from Finland so there will be text bars bottom. So if you wan't the best picture, I don't see that much alternatives. But in the end, I don't even believe that burn-in is that big of a risk, for me at least. 9000 hours? I have two kids, there is now way I can play that much even combine all games with the next TV I will buy. I will change the TV before I get 9000 gaming hour with it. So, LG CX 65" is going to be my next TV.
What you'll find is if you just stop worrying about it you'll be much better off just don't go out of your way to try and cause it and you'll be fine. You'll notice anyone complaining about it is coming from an older model from 2017-2018 or earlier. Current models from lg have pretty much eliminated most of the issues I've had a lg 2019 c9 oled for a year and game HARD and long and in 1 game only and it's one that 3 years ago caused burn in on my 2016 b6 within 3 months of ownership now more than 4x (probably like 8x) as much gaming has been done on my 2019 c9 in the exact same title and yet no issue whatsoever. If that doesn't tell you it's virtually a non issue with today's models I guess nothing will convince you
@@ghostoftsushima5965 keep telling yourself whatever you need to I've owned oled for 4 years now and have zero issue with this. If you plan to keep a TV for 20+ years well my friend I don't think picture quality even matters to you. Might as well use an old black and white floor model at that point (just don't forget the digital converter box) lol I joke but for real I replace my TV roughly every 3-5 years and they spend maybe at max 6 or 7 years total in my life. I highly doubt this ever becomes an issue for someone who actually care about it and anyone who does won't be buying my 7 year old tv off Craigslist. They'll just be glad it's huge and turns on for the couple hundred I ask for it.
I bought my LG C7 in 2017 and I've already noticed some burn in but not from gaming. It's from TH-cam! I've got a 5 year warranty. What do you think my chances are?
That Rtings study was looking at C7s. I wonder how much LG’s latest techniques to reduce burn-in would have changed the outcome. For example, pixel shifting and the static image brightness reduction.
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I don't know how differently the technologies work, but I've had a Panasonic plasma since 2009 and have used it very, very heavily. I have played certain games like Destiny and Destiny 2, Overwatch, and several others for hundreds of hours. When you don't know what you are doing, a Destiny raid can take all day. I have no burn in from any of that. I do, however, have significant burn in from the logos for CNN and MSNBC. I've learned to live with it, but I am excited to finally be rid of it. However, now the LG CX seems like the best TV on the market and I feel like I am repeating history. That Panasonic plasma has been a real trooper for 11 years. It may not have 4K or HDR, but the overall quality is still excellent.
I replaced my burned in C7 Oled already with 8k Qled. Played Path of Exile with burn in all over the place. Showed to LG support - got nothing from them. Never again will i buy Oled.
@@gamingvibes4ktechvibes757 It's basically irrelevant which model you own. As long as you use your OLED very extensively especially with high brightness. Durability on OLED is basically non existent.
@Sergey Simon Wrong. If you actually do research, older models did suffer from red sub pixel causing more or higher risk at burn in. LG is selling the 48” CX as a Gaming monitor for a reason, not because it has the same burn in issues as before. It wouldve been a stupid move to sell an OLED for gamers if Burn in was still a big problem.
@@gamingvibes4ktechvibes757 You have to understand that, LG runs a Ponzi scheme with those OLEDs. They HAVE to sell new OLEDs in order to be alive. Because there is nothing else they could sell which keeps them afloat. They try to make those OLEDs constantly cheaper in order to find new "lucky" customers and get new money. No one who bought an OLED once willl get ever another one. Especially an expensive one like 8K.
@Sergey Simon Yeah well because they can. They MAKE these panels, no one else does. Big companies buy it from them. So yes, sure they can. But if people actually do research before buying a couple thouse dollar TV. Then the issues would have been known by customers.LG updates their TVs for 2 years, always have been, i knew this before buying a new OLED from them. If you dont like how LG works, then dont buy from them, its that simple.
So does Best Buy 100% cover burn in no matter what or not? Best Buy’s warranty is the ONLY reason I definitely want to buy the CX BUT if there are loop holes in Best Buy’s protection plan as to what types of burn in is covered (normal use/wear) vs straight up hardcore gaming not being covered I will be going with the Q90T.
Honestly the worst thing about burn-in to me is constantly worrying about burn-in. I don't want to feel worried while I'm trying to enjoy a video game - defeats the purpose.
I purchased a C7 OLED back in 2017 and to this day I am scared to death of it to the point where I havn't played certain games (Persona 5) on it do to risk of burn it or I obsessively turn off HUD elements to mitigate risk. I do have a bit of burn in on the lower right corner of the screen which I believe is from Kingdom Hearts but it isn't viewable in most instances. I plan on buying a new TV for the next gen hardware but it is tough because while OLED is beautiful tech the beauty isn't worth the anxiety.
100% agree. The worry might be worse than the issue itself. The second you change any habits... you've been affected by burn-in whether the TV has it or not.
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I know the exact feeling. I have B5 and spent years worrying. Now? It is burnt in area of Destiny HUD and I worry no more. It looks annoying but not too bad.
OLED is over hyped... Also they are a super high profit margin product for their manufacturers, meaning they are over priced, arguably way over priced...
If you're playing 9,000 hours of FIFA in 2 years, I think the burn out of your life outweighs any concern for burn in on your TV.
hahahahahahahahaha best comment ever
That guy playing 9000 hours of FIFA probably isnt losing his shirt in a divorce. So whose happier?
what if he is making huge bank in live game tournaments though?? if he is a random incel virign gamer which the majority of gamers are turning into... you're right...
@@julianchillby1024 because how often you get laid is equivalent to the amount of success in life. Honestly i never saw how being a virgin is a sign of being a loser. On the other hand a party goer who does drugs, and sleeps with multiple partners a night is considered a winner. Those who play these childish internet games i think are the ones we need to worry about, not the person they are directing these comments too.
If used as a desktop "monitor", those 9000 hours will quickly translate into burn-in after 2+ years, assuming it's used 9 hours everyday.
I am a hardcore gamer and I have an OLED.
You shouldn't base your decisions on anecdotal facts but this is my experience:
I have been using a 65" LG B6 since March 2017. I play games for many hours a day (I clocked over 2.500 hours on dark souls in a year and a half). I play the same game everyday for months.
I have had no burn-in issues with gaming content (even though the B6 is "older tech"), except for ONE. After playing God of War with HDR for three months straight everyday for at least 8-10 hours (there were 3 people playing and we went into NG+++), I did a panel test and found that Kratos' red static "Rage" bar on the bottom left of the screen appeared to have burned-in when viewing a solid red test screen. It looked like a very faint grey shadow. This was not noticable when viewing normal content, since it could be seen only if the screen was red or orange. When the screen was any other color (blue, green, etc) it was not visible at all.
Several months later I did another test, and the "rage" bar Shadow has almost disappeared. It is still visible, but only barely. You really have to look for it, and only on a solid test screen of red or orange color. On other colors it is simply not there at all.
So, even with an older OLED panel, hardcore gaming didn't seem to cause serious issues for me.
HOWEVER I do have a small burn-in mark from another source: the TV's TH-cam App has a yellow icon on the bottom right of the screen constantly when doing anything but viewing a video. This yellow icon has burned-in and can be seen on red and yellow test screens. Granted, it is very small, and since I watch TH-cam everyday, I don't know if the burn-in mark would disappear if I stopped using the TH-cam App. Also it is not noticable when viewing normal content.
So, summing up, my experience regarding burn-in is mostly positive. It seems that certain colors (yellow, red, orange) are more susceptible to burning-in, and indeed there might be a problem if you have a static image playing everyday for hours on end for months and months. But unless you plan on playing only one game everyday "forever", I wouldn't worry about burn-in. Especially on the newer OLED panels.
Thanks for sharing your positive experience with an older model.
I used the LG C8 for 7600 hours, plenty of dead pixels.. OLED is trash
Appreciate you sharing your experience! As someone who plays Destiny 2 1800hrs per year, amongst other games, and watches TH-cam frequently, this has given me something to think about.
E Rice I’m in the same boat. I play the same games over and over for 4/10 hours a day since I’m disabled on a 2.5 year old lg c8 and don’t have any hud or minimap burn in. I play sniper elite more than anything which is heavy hud and minimap in both corners. I don’t baby the tv and don’t have to do anything special to it. If I tried the tv off it runs pixel refresh on its own. If I pause a game or tv show the tv goes into screen saver mode after about 10 minutes and if I sleep with the tv on the music channel the tv lowers the luminance of the channels logo. No worries
@@E_Rice Hi, if you vary your content in-between gaming you should be fine. Also, I don't know if the TH-cam app on the new OS has the same yellow icon (I hope not). And finally I think the newer OLED panels/software are much better at dealing with burn-in. What I failed to mention in my original comment is that even on the B6 OLED, the picture quality is stellar! So unless you are a very extreme case where you play ONLY Destiny 2 and watch absolutely nothing else, I would suggest you go with the OLED. 😉
Game developers should start making "oled modes" for their games. I honestly think we are at a point where that would actually make a great selling point of a game
yeah i think this is pretty esay just add opacity to HUD elements
there are some, I know that sony exclusives hide HUD's all the time, also makes you more immersed into the game.
@@andreyageenkov499 yeah or make them darker, like having black borders, rather than white. Same with apps on phones, people often get burn in from using tiktok because of all the white icons.
A lot of game devs already make colour blind modes, so imho it wouldn't be any harder to make OLED modes.
I've been gaming on a 4k HDR 65" OLED since late 2016/early 2017. Haven't had any issues to date, having owned a Plasma in the past just made sure I'd exit to menu w PS button periodically and whenever walking away for 5-10+ minutes I'd usually put it to sleep.
I think the increase in picture quality is worth the minor inconvenience, plus they have that feature where it'll clear/clean the panel when shutting it off for the night.
Saying that you have been gaming since 2017 is not enough information. Are you a casual gamer or hard-core? How long do you play in one sitting, which type of games, what brightness?
@@hydrationrequirement9762 how about this....
You'll notice anyone complaining about it is coming from an older model from 2017-2018 or earlier.
Current models from lg have pretty much eliminated most of the issues I've had a lg 2019 c9 oled for a year and game HARD and long and in 1 game only and it's one that 3 years ago caused burn in on my 2016 b6 within 3 months of ownership now more than 4x (probably like 8x) as much gaming has been done on my 2019 c9 in the exact same title and yet no issue whatsoever.
If that doesn't tell you it's virtually a non issue with today's models I guess nothing will convince you
@@TJ.85 Saying that you have play games "hard and long" does not give any valuable information. For you playing long might mean 2 hours a day with 20 minutes break every hour, but for others playing long might mean playing 18 hours without any breaks. The guy in the video is saying that we have to consider the amount of time we play, how bright screen is, and static images in the games we play. Its great that you haven't experienced burn in but it is a real issue for "hardcore" gamers.
Burn in for OLED is CUMULATIVE! It does not occur like Plasma at all. Plasma burn in is not cumulative. Playing a game one hour a day for a week, is the same as playing a game for 7 hours in one day for OLED (not for Plasma though).
I do the same thing on my OLED. If I have to walk away or not actively play the game I will turn on a screensaver or power off the TV.
This is a major reason why I went with the Samsung Q90T 55 inch for gaming, even though the LG CX was within my price range. I don't plan on upgrading for a very long time because I want to save up and get a huge microLED in the far future. Plus the anti reflectivity/ brightness on the Q90T is way better suited for my bright living room. I'm not a fan of gaming or watching content in a dark room. Thanks again for all the information!
That's the exact TV model I'm planning to get as well for an overall use both gaming and movies too.
I had a q90t, had to return it. Was not happy with it at all. After 6 minutes the screen dims unless there is a transition in game.
@@liamroberts7556 hmm I guess some surfing in settings or a software update will or did the trick already by now. 😊
But thanks for the info anyway. 👍
So how's that "anti reflection " rainbow laser beam effect treat ya? lol. (I have the q90t as well). Shine a flashlight at the panel...it's really weird.
@@liamroberts7556 In the settings man.
Just picked up my 65” CX this past weekend. Frickn awesome coming from a 55” C6! I’m an old dude but my wife and I game about 1-3hrs per day about 4-5 days a week. Not expecting too many issues regarding burn in but I’ll keep you updated with any findings.
Had my CX 65” since first week of May. Been playing COD and Forza a lot. About 3 to 4 hours a day. Max brightness. No issues at all.
If people very content and take breaks there wont be any issues. Its mostly the samsung fans that's trying oled they blast they which they get burn in and roast OLED and they go back to qled..
kastlerock01 Got mine 2weeks ago and went to screen saver area and turned on pixel shift and put the logo control on high. I game about 5 hrs a day,mostly cod ww2. Every day after I’m done, I go on TH-cam and run a 3 minute video by Roman Deguili. Any of his videos will blow you away and it clears out any possible burn in issues..
@@Coloradocaliber Same here, bought my CX in May, play PS4 all the time, but never the same game for more then 4 hours, no issues at all.
@@Coloradocaliber I had the B7 and it suffered burn-in. I see others who had the B7 also did, too. I'm looking at getting the CX. I'm hoping the anti-burn technology has improved from then. But remember, you won't notice until maybe after 12-18 months of hard-core usage.
THis is the precise reason I went with Samsung. Loving my Q90T. Beautiful, bright image, excellent darks for LCD, all the best gaming features, ZERO RISK OF BURN IN OR WORRYING ABOUT BURN IN.
I am buying Q95T friday after witnessing the DYING PIXELS ON THE C8
You mean the tv line that's all been knocked down a peg this year because Samsung couldn't come up with a new way to make you feel like a TV had Ana upgrade path?
Yea know I'm good with the brand whose tvs quality from picture is exactly the same up and down the charts.
@@ghostoftsushima5965 you know you're full of it. Post the pics like I said otherwise gtfo
Led is making its mark, my Hisense H9G ,i''ll put up against any Oled. Oled hasn't changed in the last 4 years and LED is going to watch them in the rear view mirror real soon.Any company just getting into the oled game is just doing it for a money grab , no other reason. They know Oled will be dead in the next few years.
@@thomasvinelli what do you think led means exactly in connection with these game changing tvs?
Because I hope you realize they everything out there besides oled is just the same old 25+ year old LCD (that's liquid crystal display and what's been used for decades for non crt based displays) and no amount of trying to gussy the naming scheme up to sound more like and confuse people with it vs oled (led qled miniled etc) its all just more of the same lcd weve had since the beginning of time (roughly).
OLED hasn't changed in 4 years? SON that's cause it's hard to top perfection (but they keep working at it) and why I'm now 2 generations in on oled in 3 years time.
LCD has to keep going through new identity crisis because they can't find anyway to take the top so they keep trying to "adapt" and copy that oled magic but it ain't happening.
They can get close with something like that Sony studio reference ($40,000) dual layer lcd but even then it needs 2 freaking tv panels in it to do so.
The only way lcd keeps up with oled is combing a bunch of these technolgies into 1.
A dual layer lcd with massive full array local dimming using based on thousands if not 10s of thousands of mini led zones along with that additional, but necessary to come close to picture quality of oled, quantum dot panel.
With all that in 1 TV (and by someone that knows what they're doing like Sony did with that studio reference one) I might consider them over OLED that's if they didn't do stupid things like no hdmi 2.1 or if they include its just 1 port or a limited version (all crap).
The fact is there isn't a display like this and if it did exist it would cost way too much to make or beyond what anyone would be willing to spend.
It's why it took a $40,000 son stiro reference screen to show that a lcd (when using all the tricks in the book) can look as good if not better than oled.
This is the perfect video I've been looking for! I am a hardcore gamer pumping hours and hours of time into my TV, and I was worried that if I got a oled tv I would be prone to burn-in, but I play a wide variety of games and this reduced my stress in buying a oled tv, and I still do understand that burn-in is still a risk, but it is now a risk I am willing to take.
I bought a Samsung with my PS3 on launch.. and it still works, but now i need a new one for my PS5!
What TV did you got, if you got a new one?
I play like 8 hours a day at max, but not every day.. i love playing FIFA and COD online!
I can't decide which TV i should get.. The SONY XH90 / LG CX / SAMSUNG Q80T ??
If anyone could help me, i appreciate a lot!
@@whitemobbrdl samsung qn90a
Finally someone telling gamers the truth when it comes to oled.👍
Not saying oled burn in doesn’t exist. It does and can happen however. I have an Alienware 13 oled and can prove it because it’s the glass touch screen model from 2016. No burn in at all 4 years later. I uploaded a video showing no burn in on my channel and can upload another video
@@lilman208 nice
Joe Phillips I just filmed another video 2 years later I can upload to prove no burn it 2 years from my last upload date.
AGAIN TOTALLY BELIEVE BURN IN HAPPENS but it’s rare even for pc and gaming if you treat it right. I’m going on 4 plus years with this thing.
Stay away from OLED. I bought the C8 and now i've paid the price. My panel is ruined and filled with dead pixels.. i am buying Q95T the end of this week.
My phone has burnin from pornhub.
Just ordered my first OLED LG C1 this week. Came across this video and feel more comfortable about my use case. I will be gaming on the next gen consoles a couple hours maybe a couple times a week. But nothing like 6-12 hours daily. I am pretty sure I should be okay over all. I normally only use my TV for gaming and watching shows under 20 hours a week, except weekends, but again mostly watching streamed shows then. Thanks for putting this into perspective.
The fact that you have to limit your gaming hours and worry about this, defeats every purpose of entertainment.. return that TV if you still can
Don't worry. You can play 12 hours a day, everyday, and you still won't get burn in, unless it's the same damn image non-stop for 12 hours a day for like months, which isn't possible
This could be solved if game developers gave us the option to adjust all hud elements opacities or had it so elements could periodically shift to the opposite side of the screen 🤷
I do think this may become more common as OLED becomes cheaper and more widespread.
@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll OLED is so expensive for most gamers.
Jesus MLG It’s so expensive for everybody. But it is becoming much less expensive than it used to be. And it doesn’t matter as long as enough people who game own them to where it makes sense to make these features more common.
I mean, I just got Doom Eternal today and there is an opacity option for the HUD. Also for Ori and the Will of the Wisps, there are options to make the HUD extremely low brightness. These options are much more widely available than they used to be. The newer the game the more likely there is to be OLED friendly options.
Yeah all the games I play I can make my his transparent.
Or it could be solved if people use a display tech that doesnt have permanant burn in as a going concern.....
If only such thing exist...like a....liquid crystal display of sorts!
I have had a LG OLED55C9PUA 55" for nine months. It has 3,364 hours of Total Power On Time. I've used it as a PC monitor the whole time. I use it for video media editing, photo editing, heavy web browsing, video games, among other things. It shows no signs of "burn in", image retention, banding, image uniformity changes, or any kind of panel degradation. I don't know if I won the panel lottery or not, but by my personal experience, concerns of burn-in with these newer OLED TVs may be a bit overblown.
Which setting are you on? What about brightness?
Well, it's not the amount of time you've used it, but what you've been watching/playing during that time. You obviously have not been watching something that has a bright static image on it. Or else you've would have had burn in. I own a B6, played the hell out of Destiny when it came out. 4-6 hours a day maybe. Burn-in set in after the second year.
Burn in on 2018+ OLED panels/TV's is pretty much none-existing. You mostly hear about it from LCD owners, trying to justify their purchase. I have 1000 if not 1500 hours of gaming on my C9 on full brightness and zero burn in.
Obviously, just 9 months cant affect the display, just wait few years end see what happens. You can use a LCD for 10 years with no signs of time passing, try to do the same with an OLED end you will end with a total mess. Personally I will wait MicroLED tecnology that promise to be the best of the 2 actual panels.
@@Dr.WhetFarts Yea, thas why every single manufacturer of PC(Apple too) put an OLED display in theyr product, oh wait..
Very good explanation, I think that most people either think that oled always get burn in eventually or that oled can not get burn in in "regular use". But this is not right, it all about the content you view on an oled display. You explain how real content can affect burn in issues. I saw many phones with rgb oled get very bad burn in but my phone that has rgb oled and used for 4 years does not have any burn in .
I work as an LG ambassador and i agree with this video. BUT, i would say there are measures the user can take to minimalise risks, such as using LG's "pixel refresher" feature after extended gameplay use. LG also forces the TV to do this after 700 hours of use and theres also things like pixel shift and auto Logo luminance adjustments that the TV can read and implement depending on the input source. I hope newer games have such info embedded on their games so the TV's ca help minimalise risks
Can they handle 8 hours plus of gaming?
Thank you for making this video. It's nice to have someone knowledgeable talk about extended gaming sessions on an OLED. I'm getting the LG CX because it's ideal for my use case, and this video helped me feel even more comfortable with that decision. Cheers.
Did you get the LG CX? How has it held up? And if you don't mind my asking... what was/is your use case? I have a PS5 and intend on playing it regularly but I normally only get about 1-4 hours in a day, if that. My wife and I will also use it daily for tv, movies, and sports.
Thanks for your time!
I’m glad to hear someone that shares my same sentiment with OLED. Excellent picture quality but LG and their gaming advertisement then saying burn in isn’t from normal use is just trash. That’s like Ferrari saying we won’t cover your warranty unless you keep it under 65 for the life of the car, meanwhile advertising how fast it is and it’s road holding at high speeds. I’ve bought even the CX and ended up returning it because it just rings in the back of my head, this is a $1,500 TV that may get burn in for what is “normal use” for me. If LG said this is not for frequent gamers or not for people that watch news often, that would be one thing. Otherwise I see it as blatant deceptive marketing and not only that but using a completely subjective term “normal user” when it is normal these days for folks to game significantly more on top of being in the house all day from the pandemic. I think LG makes good stuff but, it’s not worth the expense to be that pissed off consumer because you don’t meet their definition of “normal” despite a nice big GSYNC READY sticker on the side of the box.
Exactly it is really dumb what LG classifies as "normal usage" in our household the kids watch Cartoon channels with Big bright Logos my wife watchea news channels again bright Logo. And i use the tv as a pc monitor and also game on it. I cant worry all the time if the tv might get burn in. On Top of that in my country they dont offer burn in extra warranty
Friend .. really .. this is the same with Intel processors and the support memory 2666 .. 10900K/10700K still only 3000Mhz ... haha like a joke .. (this is like use a ferrari here in brazil .. all streets very poor with big holes)
Underrated comment.🙌
I’m a power gamer and I’m so thankful I came across this video I’ll probably get an oled for the living room but I’ll stick to a full array for my my gaming consoles.
I play a lot of video games in my LG C1 TV. But just like Stop the Fomo suggested in the video: I always vary my content (and games). Haven't had any problems with the screen so far. I think it's great that the high end TVs are so close when it comes to the picture quality.
I had an OLED B7 from May 2018 until April 2020. I gamed 90% on it. Sold it without any burn in let alone image retention (I think I had about 2.5k hours on it). I gamed on a plasma from 2009 until 2018 (Samsung plasma and then Panasonic ST50). Had minor temporary image retention but it would go away. Now I have two C9’s and no issues so far (bought them April 2020). I turn my brightness down on the OLEDs because I find it to be too bright so I slap on eco low or medium. I’m sure that probably helped
Edit: redditors have been successful saying they have had their panel swapped even 2 or 3 years after their 1 year warranty has expired. Ymmv I’m sure. For me, I have the 5 year warranty from Best Buy for my C9s.
ATI Radeon right, but some folks have shown “burn in” as early as 2000 hours (see techgiants CX video with approx 2000 hours). Depends on use. I have experience with plasma TVs so I know how to avoid burn in, let alone image retention. So far, the oleds I have/had, didn’t even experience image retention. Might have to do with me turning on eco mode from time to time. Might be because modern games have varied content. For example; I spent over 40 hours playing bloodstained on the ps4. Over 70 hours ff7 remake. No image retention or burn on on the b7; which doesn’t have the more burn in precautions the C9 has. Of course like you said could be the hours, or could be a mixture of content/reduced brightness. Point is, I’m not going to worry about burn in but if it was a concern for a potential buyer, I’d recommend getting the Best Buy warranty, or try your hand without one and attempt the free LGs panel swap (some have shown success this year replacing their 6 or 7 series with a new panel) or go for an lcd.
I bought an Panasonic Plasma Flat screen I think 12-14 years ago. It was one of the first plasmas. They also had this burn in myth. I think I played hundreds or thousands of hours on it. Gran Turismo, Fifa, COD, Battlefield etc. The TV is still running and have no burn in. Now I plan to get an LG CX OLED. If it runs 5 years without burn in I am happy. But of course I play 2-3 hours a day at max.
Honestly your videos are just superior. The most useful info I've got with regards to TV's has been from your channel. I cba to watch reviewers waffle on about stats and specs the entire time that really dont mean that much to me, and sometimes dont paint an accurate picture in real world use. I like how you basically summarise those videos and explain it in real world terms.
Great Video!!!! And you are absolutely correct. Its all about the use case. As a fellow gamer, I was highly concerned about burn in. This video has helped me to understand how burn in can happen, the likeliness of it happening (influenced by the brightness of static images), and what warranty will cover it (I would have never guessed Best Buy lol). I greatly appreciate you sharing this. Awesome job!!!
Bought today the CX. Shipping is this Saturday. Will play Ghost of Tsushima first time....
Hi,
Quick question about the panel.
I noticed micro dots (white) on the panel. It's flawless, but I don't know how to explain it.
If you want to do the test, take a soft cloth or a microfiber, and with the flash of your phone, come close by looking about ten centimeters away from your panel (TV off) and tell me if you see these dots. It looks like an imperfection, I'd just like to see if other people see it.
the dots are the size of the head of a pin, it is necessary to observe well
There's no bump then, is there under the screen?
It's not an impact, and it doesn't go away when you rub it with a microfiber.
It looks like a cotton deposit but I can't define it.
It's all over the
Panel.
The television is brand new.
Thank you for doing the test, I would just like to be reassured that this is inherent in glass panels.
th-cam.com/video/JW26_4ww2Ms/w-d-xo.html
Enjoy the HDR in Ghost is stunning!
I got the 55 about a month ago and its looks great with games on Xbox one x
Dude. So jealous. I'm in the middle of a career transition and need to pinch every penny right now. Hoping to get a PS5 and a new tv in 3 year's time. Let me live vicariously through you for now. 😂
@@b1_ferg you will have a life changing moment that will bless you financially. It wont take 3 years. Sending positive energy🙂🙏
I am a games developer and have just bought a CX. the risk is real. But I made my purchase off the back of several conversations with my colleagues and they still recommended oled.
I game every day for several hrs, but my choice of games changes rapidly as I’m a designer and research as many games as I can.
I’m crossing my fingers
Concerning avoiding burn-in as a power user, it's actually rather straightforward, as I see it. It's not so much about using dark mode in apps, although that does help. But having pixels turned off, doesn't save them from showing static content. As mentioned, showing various content does, as it 'massages' the pixels, preventing them from getting stuck showing one thing. So all you have to do, is to leverage the large amounts of idle time, there usually is on a PC for a power-user. If you're anything like me, your PC will be idling for hours, while you're doing different things. In that time, you can easily have the TV/monitor show varied content, thus reducing the chance of burn-in, as the pixels showing static menus, will now also get to show other things to a great degree.
The easiest way to do this, is to get a large quantity of desktop backgrounds, which Windows can then cycle between every few minutes. A more advanced solution is to use something like Wallpaper Engine and have it show an ever-changing background, making sure your TV/monitor has it's pixels properly massaged. I'd use something like 'Moving Floor', 'Moving Boxes', 'Moving Droplets', 'Gradient Moving Background', 'Moving Backgrounds Crystal Cave', 'Colorful Rainbow Gradient', or any other background which will constantly shift the colors shown by every pixel on the screen. Then you just leave your desktop on when you idle, go do stuff, and let the background do the work of making sure your OLED won't suffer from burn-ins.
The problem with that is that you still keep the tv on for no reason so it will still die relatively fast compared to just shutting the tv off or going with a Samsung display and since it would be extremely annoying in my opinion to turn off the tv every time your not explicitly using it which is why I went with a Samsung Q95T I did recommend my father to go for Oled though since he doesn't game and only watches movies and or television for 2 to 4 hours a day which is fine but since I GAME 4 up to 12 hours a day, yeah well I would just destroy it in no joke 2 to 4 years.
Unless I would go full eco mode on it or something stupid like that and put the brightness from 700 nits down to 400 or 350.
Good thing that both options are available though so everyone can get what they want.
@@zoopa9988 Having the TV turned on itself doesn't kill the pixels by itself. Having the pixels display static content for long periods of time does. Hence the solution I suggest in my comment.
@@ConsiderableFlux O, I see, but even then you still need static images on screen when gaming and if you use the tv as much as I plan to do 4 up to 12 hours daily I think it's still not doable.
But good to know, thx.
@@zoopa9988 Well, I usually have my PC idling a lot of the day. So even if I game for four hours, it might idle for just as long. Running a dynamic background which shifts all the pixels in those time periods, should do a lot to prevent burn-in. Even if it's just for half an hour or an hour, it would do a lot.
@@ConsiderableFlux So when the tv idles it's basically repairing itself? is that what your saying?
I just went with Samsung Q80T for a few reasons.
- $700 cheaper (in Canada)
- 2nd best image quality
- works with gsync
- zero risk of burn in
- CX was sold out everywhere lol
LCD displays can have burn-in too...
Watching your videos for 9000 hours now on my LG CX so I can get the corner Subscribe FOMO logo burned into my display.
Great idea! I'm gonna make him my background display photo on my phone. Then turn the screen to full brightness forever and hopefully his white gloves will burn into my screen 🧤
Went with the Samsung Q90T--feels good not having to worry about the burn-in issue!
Do you like it? Thinking of getting the Q90T 75“ :)
@@Alex_Eh I love it, I had it professionally calibrated and the difference in picture is astounding--I only wish I had a bigger room so I could've purchased a bigger TV!
@@supercoolnothing411 How do you go about getting it professionally calibrated?
Got my CX the day it was available with a 3 year extended warranty from Best Buy. Did my research before hand and best buys warranty is what sold me. I'm good😎
ADommM Laughing at Boomers Thats not necessarily true. It’s all dependent on his usage habits and just how avid of a gamer he is. If he games for 8 hours, almost every day for 3 years, burn-in can definitely happen.
@ADommM Laughing at Boomers lol exactly
Yikes and congrats.
Congrats on the tv choice yikes on what you must have paid.
I got 65" 4 months after release for $1700 vs the $3500 asking price at the time.
Based on the spend alone I could use this one up completely and even throw it away when worn out and replace it with another newer model down the road for about the same or less and still end up ahead of a day 1 purchase from best buy with their extended warranty.
Yea I'm a massive gamer, I wouldn't of gotten the tv if I couldn't get burn in covered, I'm not gonna lie I wouldn't be surprised if I did get burn in b4 the best buy warranty kicks in, even tho I vary my content, but I'm not sweating it, by the time it becomes a problem I'll just upgrade anyway
@@TJ.85 damn 1700 on the 65", good shit. I got the 55 for 1700, now I'm slightly jealous lol
OLEDs may be beautiful to look at, BUT when i get home from work and gym the last thing i want to do is worry about my tv's health when i'm slaying monsters, i'll keep my q90T until micro led is out...
If you are working and going to the gym i doubt you will accumilate enough hrs to get burn in.
Fully agreed. Especially the price tag which makes it worse. Around 2 grand worth of device which is prone to burn is a no no. My friend has an LG C7 OLED and claimed at the time just after purchase , there is no such thing as burn in. Now he admitted there is burn in after examining the TV. The look on his face says it all. I will never buy OLED unless the manufacturer will honour the warranty which will never happen.
@@seanmarquis2216 you know nothing john snow
I'm waiting to buy the Samsung Odyssey G9 49' 240hz ultra wide-screen 5120x1440 2ms G2G 1000R curved monitor once it is confirmed the VRR flicker has been resolved, that is one amazing screen and its currently £220 cheaper than the 48' cx too which is an added bonus.
@stryfetc1 I also wish it had more than one hdmi 2.1 port because pc gpu's are going 2.1 and ps5 is 2.1 also, I don't want to have to switch them out everytime, other than that it's a good choice
I have an lg oled tv and I can confirm it DOES burn in. I mostly game with the tv, I'd say 3-4hrs a day on avg with maybe a little more on weekends. The tv is only 2 yrs old at this point. I have "Netflix" burnt in the bottom right corner and a few hud icons from various games burnt into the screen in a few other places. I have the screen shift setting activated and try "washing" it with the various videos ment to clear screen burn on a regular basis. You cant always see it, it seems to have something to do with specific colors. Very visible in reds and blues, in other colors it doesn't show as bad. The T.V. is awesome, but as a gamer I wont be buying another even tho it is the best display. Hope this helps someone with their decision.
Thanks for letting us know, which LG model do you have?
@@stopthefomo OLED55B7P-U
I agree people are not noticing the burn in until a beach or snow or sunset scene.
I hope tech will continue to advance and deal with the problem instead of sweeping it under the rug.
@@oparei8725 Unfortunately, the very nature and strength of OLED is ultimately its weakness. You'd have to fundamentally change the display tech to get around the uneven degradation of diodes.
Have Fortnite UI, Shenmue 3 UI and Persona 5 UI burnt into my OLED. It sucks. And the constant worrying and babying sucks as well. I bought a Samsung Q95T and while it doesn't look quite as good as an OLED it's such a comfort knowing I can game for as long as I like and not worry.
I got a first generation LG OLED and the burn-in is real. 2 years in I needed to get a new TV.
I think first generation OLED TVs were worse for burn in than newer ones but I see your point .
The brightness you run the backlight at also greatly I fluences this. I'm used to a bright screen so I always had my oled back light on max and the colour settings high. I even had to increase the ps4 game settings brightness on many games as Game Mode in LG sets can affect colours. My advice. Don't think about using oled as a computer monitor screen. That white background is grey BTW.
My oled started to show persistent image retention after weeks and burn in after 5 months. I now have a led TV again after a full refund..
I’ve got a cx 55. I been playing 24/7 at home during lockdown. Countless hours even on the same games. Had this tv since launch. No burn in at all
Obviously. You just got it lol. It takes 6-12 months for it to start appearing speaking from experience.
Be careful man, you'll get burn-in after about 6 or so months, if you continue to use it recklessly.
@@TechWiz1983 not really, it's easier to get burn it at the start as the tv is brighter.... but in would say rtings burn in test was for old oled models about 4 or 5 years old. The panels are different and theres much more burn in preventive measures... especiall for bright static images which were problems on the older models.
Warren G You take that risk. I won’t. All I play is car racing games; an absolute NIGHTMARE for OLED burn-in. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
@@TechWiz1983 have you owned a C9 or CX? If not, what risks are you referring to?
I’ve had a C9 OLED for at least a year. I game on it A LOT, with lots of static huds and very long sessions. I enable all of the anti burn in countermeasures, I don’t leave it sit idle with a static image for more than a few minutes, and I shut it off if I’m not sure how long I’ll be away from the TV. I’ve got probably well over 1000 hours of gaming on it, and no burn in. I do check it occasionally to make sure, but it’s hasn’t been an issue so far.
Thanks for making this video. It’s extremely informative and talks to the buyer base that most reviewers have avoided. I have an LG B9 and I put hundreds of hours a week gaming. One example was over 20 hours on AC: Odessey (it was just too gorgeous to put down and I had the time). As for FIFA you can turn off all HUD elements during gameplay. Another recommendation for players is to have “logo luminance adjustment” on high. You can find this option in the TVs menu. Finally, always check the games menu for HUD brightness adjustment. For example Destiny 2 with HDR on is gorgeous, but the HUD brightness goes up exponentially. Luckily Bungie has an option in the video settings to lower the HUD brightness. The caveat is that not all games with HDR have this option. At the end of the day do your research and assess what your acceptable level of risk is. I’m perfectly fine with grinding FIFA on the weekends with the options I’ve described above enabled.
How is the TV’s condition now? Still good or problems?
Wow! I'm so glad when I bought my LGx65xC9 OLED TV from Best Buy, I purchased that $500 5-year warranty bc the guy told me it does cover burn-in & anything else besides physical damage. (I've been wondering if that was a good investment or not, but you have made me feel really good about that 5 year warranty!) *Thanks for this video!!!*
Had a LG b6 where i watched varied content and i have burn in of the youtube search bar on the lower right hand corner along with the netflix logo. The youtube tv icon on the top left and some shadowing from the rdr2 hud in the lower left.
Content was always different and never on for too long yet after three years this is what i get. Needless to say i am going with a qled for next gen gaming.
*for those wondering I've had the TV in ISF Dark Mode since I bought the TV and it's never strayed from that picture mode*
The B6 is an older model and has much less safeguards built in to the TV to prevent burn in. However, this is still concerning.
Same experience for me with LG b6. Also, considering Netflix/Disney+/plex/TH-cam have interfaces consisting of high contrast tiles against darker backgrounds, burn-in can happen under non gaming circumstances. I’m waiting for this years qled.
In case you didn't know, Triluminos is Sony's version of QLED.
Sony X900H VA LCD 4K TV with HDMI 2.1 has you covered for next-gen consoles. (I believe only 2 out of the 4 HDMI ports support 2.1)
@ADommM Laughing at Boomers The league is wOled and yes it is on that league.
@Freeze Peach no but what does matter is the year of the panel in question if it's 2018 or earlier yes a good chance burn in could occur but a 2019 or 2020?
Its virtually a non issue.
I know from personal and long term testing done though my own terrible usage scenarios. Ones that caused burn in within 3 months on my 2016 yet now after a year (and about 10x the amount of the exact same game) my 2019 c9 shows 0(zero) signs of burn in. That's 1500+ hours of the same in a year where before the 2016 showed signs of it in about 3 months or about 200 hours of play.
To act like it never was a problem is silly it most certainly was but to also act like it hasn't been mitigated to point of virtually impossible is also silly.
LG advertising them as gaming displays today is because that's how confident you'll be satisfied and not file a class action lawsuit.
Trust me they did the math and they know the benefits far outweigh the risk today.
I purchased OLED C7 in Nov 2017 and started seeing bands on screen in Feb - March 20. LG techies came to check the screen . i was surprised when they showed me the burn- in on pink screen with the totals hrs -5300 . I fortunately have purchased extended warranty on TV & i have asked for complete refund. I like OLED very much, I enjoyed my time watching movies , music Videos & sports. but never was gamer . I now have purchased X950G 75 inch for Dolby ATMOS & Vision which Samsung don't have , other wise i would have gone for Q80. Even though i like OLED CX , don't want to face the Burn-in risk again. i was lucky this time.
I like that you acknowledge that the hardcore gamer will play non-stop for hours and hours everyday; the mainstream dudes can't even fathom the idea.
Look this is not a gamer issue , it's a company issue (LG,Sony,Vizio) The technology itself is the issue, stop buying into this is the users fault, its B.S. The issue with Oleds is the nature of the technology itself. Case closed. LG or anybody that makes Oleds knows this.All they care about is profits. Any company that makes Oleds know it's a money grab because they know people buy into the BS these companies put out. That also applies to LED also , but we don't worry about burn in and led technology will surpass oleds it's only a matter of time and oled goes away .
miguel ornelas Thanks man! 😅
fucking casuals, amirite
Paddyhudson that’s me. I’m disabled retired and I play 4-10 hours a day depending what’s in tv at 7 or 8pm. I play the same handful of games over and over on a 2.5 year old lg c8. I don’t have any hud or minimap burn in. I also don’t babysit the tv.
@@thoros3907 which games do you play?
Is it that big of a difference to play casual pc games for immersive experience without gsync on Samsung q90t ? I mean how many notebooks for thousands are sold without gync. For competitive things to have a monitor and for immersive experience non gsync TV would be such a difference ?
I just received my LG CX earlier this week. I went with that, for I wanted to up my viewing experience with shows and console gaming. I was previously using a Sony LCD. And G-DAMN does it look so much better with HDR content; shows and gaming. Really amazing. I seem to do more gaming on average with my PC, and it's ASUS LCD IPS monitor. But there are some games exclusive to the PS that I wanted to enjoy. The Last of US 2, and now Ghosts of Tsushima are prime examples. I use to spend a lot of time playing Overwatch daily on my previous Sony LCD TV. But now I hardly play that on the PS4. But still, spend some time daily on the PC. My wife also enjoys gaming on the PS4 with games like Mortal Kombat and Stardrew Valley. So we'll need to keep an eye out for persistent images, and seeing if there are ways to change the HUD to make them less persistent.
I got it from Best Buy and went with the extended warranty. That was an added 20% cost to the TV. It was mainly for peace of mind if something went wrong with the TV, then they would come out and fix it or replace it. Also with Covid it's a lot harder to get a buddy and their van/pickup to help me make the trip. It also made me feel a bit easier regarding the possibility of burn-in.
Thanks for this video. It has some good practical info to consider if burn in is a potential issue for the user or not. Now I feel a bit more relaxed about things for 2 reasons; 1 I'm not currently a HC gamer on my PS4, and I have the BB extended Warranty.
This is why I went with QLED. I bought a Q60R and happy with how it looks. Yes it doesn't come with HDMI 2.1 but 4K 120hz won't happen for a while yet
is q60r good in gaming motion smooth ? what its hz panel ?
@@Shady.Moustafa 120hz panel. I do 1440p
Buttery smooth. Might be a bit soft as not full fat 4k but it's lovely.
Even at 4k 60 it's really good 👍
@@WA4AndyShaw Thanks for your feed back do you have faced any blooming or local dimming ?
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@@Shady.Moustafa there's no lo cal dimming but It doesn't bother me
It's great, I sit here with my Sony x930e... I get a higher peak brightness and I don't have to worry about this stupid burn in risk. If you have to baby your tv beyond cleaning and what not, don't buy it. Spend the money on an led with more local dimming zones and a better panel, you'll be way happier
@Dan M People root for Milwaukee?
This is the video I needed. I am a hard-core gamer. I was considering an OLED tv for my upgrade and to prepare for the PS5. I do play games like Fifa. I also play other games though. So I vary content. But I do play for long hours each day. This has given me some points to think about.
If you play FIFA long session u already knows from long time ago what tv 4k we need.... only QLED can survive such long period of time nothing else ....
lalo38th i play the same games over and over for 4/10 hours a day since I’m disabled on a 2.5 year old lg c8 and don’t have any hud or minimap burn in. I play sniper elite more than anything which is heavy hud and minimap in both corners. I don’t baby the tv and don’t have to do anything special to it. If I tried the tv off it runs pixel refresh on its own. If I pause a game or tv show the tv goes into screen saver mode after about 10 minutes and if I sleep with the tv on the music channel the tv lowers the luminance of the channels logo. No worries
Thanks for the advice guys. I'm gonna do some serious thinking (and saving) then look to buy the TV in November.
But dont forget, you can have Burn-In in other Panels too. I had Burn-In in a IPS Panel so^^
I'm well over 2000 hours on my C9 heavy 18hr sessions pc gaming. Not one sign of burn in. Don't let these fuckin dudes fool you. Oleds have no comparison to any other TV.
You know dude is real when he's telling straight how LG miss market it against manufacturer's normal use
I bought the 55in LG cx OLED at best buy today paid $1,350 for it, then i purchase the 5yr warranty for additional $300 which covers burn in ect? The best advice I can give anyone that's worried about burn in, make sure u buy the warranty which covers everything.
Knowing these risks, what else are you considering besides OLED TV?
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 START
1:25 Hardcore Gaming on OLED
3:19 Results of 9000 hour Burn-In Test
5:26 Assess Burn-In Risk
8:57 HDR Gaming issues
10:24 Manufacturer’s Warranty Protection
12:39 Extended Warranty: what to buy
I'm scared of games with static HUDS like Minecraft, RTS games, and most FPSs. I think it's time to design games to be more OLED friendly.
@@CaveyMoth - "OLED friendly"? Haha. I would say it's time to design display technology that will match OLED pixel level light control and match or exceed high luminance LCD brightness with no burn-in worries. Micro-LED should be the answer.
Yea,, I’m thinking we need to make our voices heard to platform holders who in turn can encourage developers to more frequently include HUD Opacity controls in game as well as the ability to outright turn the HUD off.
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 But there are games like Crysis 2 with dynamic HUDs that move and are transparent. And sometimes, the HUD is integrated into the gameplay itself, à la Far Cry 2 and Dead Space.
I have an OLED, and use it all the time with my PS4 and no issues. But I never play the same game for more then 4 hours at a time. No issues, my tv is an LG CX.
Sounds like next gen games should be thinking of designing UI to allow users to tweak the transparency and contrast of on-screen items. As a PC user especially in MMO's this has been a thing for years, but it was mainly just used as a way to reduce on-screen distractions. One thing I noticed from the horrible Halo Infinite trailer is that the on-screen UI was fairly dull and transparent and that would probably combat burn-in quite well. Maybe if enough people make noise about the situation, developers might listen.
Thank you , More gaming tvs for the hardcore gamer please .
I'm a hard-core user of my C7 OLED. I have a 2min timer on the dimmer, use pixel refresh and pixel shift and have setting on the xbox to combat any burn in. I feel like not having any of that turned on and playing a very static hub game could be an issue, but just be proactive and there isn't much to worry about.
I only play games a couple of hours a week, but feel sorry for people who have invested in an OLED and can't actually use it with what they want. It shouldn't be called a TV. It should be called something else if we can't use it as a BLOODY TV. No logos, gaming, black bars, etc etc. Call it an OLED display and have warnings if your warranties won't cover us.
love how the majority of people that complain about burn in are people that don't even own an OLED. They either experienced it once back in 2016 or never have experienced it and want to justify their purchase of a QLED or LED Tv. People who own OLED stop worrying about burn in after a month and then surprise surprise the tv lasts them years. Also seriously if someone is investing 9K hours in 2 years on fifa they need to worry about their life not their tv
@@dakshbiala56 I do have an OLED. I already explained that I play a couple of hours of games at most a week. Try again.
@@spinachpies i wasn't referring to you Lmfao.
@@spinachpies besides i play atleast 3 hours a day daily on my oled And have been for ages without any care for burn in (because i got a warranty) and even now when i run a test. Thwre is no burn in. And i have put this tv through the depths. One of my main games to play Is Fifa 21 in HDR on PS5 meaning the images are brighter. My old OLED back in 2017 got burn in quite easily tho and thats when i switched to QLED. Tried OLED again and the tech has definitrly improved. I haven't run any manual Pixel refreshers or anything. The worst part about Burn in isn't the burn in it's the fear spread around
@@dakshbiala56 dude, read your post. You said you have warranty against burn in.... That's why you're not worried.
Also, if your new OLED is only a couple of years old, that's not long enough to know what could happen.
I have now used OLED for about three years for gaming, watching TH-cam, and movies. I have frequent temporal image retention from the PS4 UI and from my favorite games, permanent burned-in TH-cam logo, and constant fear of further burn-in when using. As nice it is... it was when it was new I think I won't be buying another OLED. If you watch only movies on it, then it's fine.
I think the lack of warranty is due to abuse concerns. Someone wants a replacement, they leave it on a static image near the end of the warranty, and file a claim. I think with the increasing red sub pixel and all the other tech such as logo luminescence and pixel shift, it is far more unlikely to happen than in years past. The LG's have definitely changed since the sets Rtings started testing. I think this is why LG lowkey does panel replacements out of warranty, that way they can always say no but can keep customers happy that do call. I purchased a C9 last year, and opted to get a better deal online than buy from BB for the Geek Squad Warranty. I paid about $1200 with tax for a 55" C9, at the time the same purchase would of run me $200-$300 more at BB, plus the cost of Warranty at over $300, I figured I will just enjoy my set, I think it is HIGHLY unlikely to get burn in sooner than 2 years even with frequent gaming, and in that time the $600 plus I saved can be set aside for whenever I am ready to buy the next set. When the cost of the warranty is 25% plus of the TV, IMO if you are financially responsible, you are way better off just saving the cash.
And just a little tidbit on geek squad coverage, they only replace the tv after manufacturers warranty meaning you would have to wait the year out if you got burn in with the first year. This is the one case wear the geek squad protection is beneficial because for example if your particular model isnt in stock anymore they would replace the television with the most recent model which is a bitter sweet plus because it means you got burn in but you get a brand new TV
This is ridiclous ive a kid to babysit not going to do that with my tv. So glad i went with samsung q90t gaming and watching movies in 4k HDR is awesome on this tv. With oled i feel like i have to prepare a checklist half an hour everytime before i turn on the damn thing
they should market oled as casual gaming displays lol.all oled displays at my best buy had burn in within a year.most people here that comment that they don't have burn are actually not typical cases.infact,the typical burn in rate for oled would be about a year at 8 hours a day of mixed usage.in other words,a family sharing an oled would most certainly add burn in to an oled before a year.
Thank you this is exactly the kind of review I needed. As a hardcore mmorpg player with the static UI loaded at all time I guess I'll have to wait for Samsung to release a 4k TV with more than lolonehdmi 2.1 port.
I truly appreciate ur TH-cam channel, it helped me a lot when I was replacing my 2011 64' Samsung Plasma TV. I finally was convinced that the LG OLED77CXPUA was the one I wanted for my family rm which I also use for gaming and watching regular shows and movies. I want to update u on the Warranty, I was going to buy it at BestBuy because of their inclusion of Burn-in in their warranty but they only offered 2 yr 0% finance whereas Brandsmart in FL offered the same model for the same price but with a 4yr 0% payment plan. And to my surprise they also offered the 5 yr warranty which also covered Burn-in! I specifically asked and read the details.
I was going to bring up about current gen games with HDR nowadays being a high risk for burn in but you actually spoke about it lol. For serious gamers OLED’s are a big no no even though they run content slightly better vs QLED
💯. If someone is rocking 5-6hr per day of the same static UI they will burn in. You do not want your new $2k TV to die in a year, it's not worth the risk for the minimal gains of CX VS q90 or visio quantum.
that's why even if the LG CX is as gorgeous as it is, i'm never going back to OLED after my B6 got 4-5 HUD elements burnt into the panel. looking into getting a QLED or Sony LED atm.
Older model. Newer ones don't burn in. 2000+ hours on my c9 crystal clear like it was out of the box
Sam B it'll happen. just a matter of time.
Got my OLED LG C6 with burn in at 2,5 years usage. Pre-ordered my PS5 and def. not getting an OLED..
how do you use it ??
do you watch lots of news / movies on it ?
or like game 6 hours every day for 2.5 years ? and which games did you play ?
People like you need to realize that the tech advances! C6 were very likely to get burn in! The CX is not likely to get it at all!
After getting burn-in on my LG OLED B7 55 inch TV in 2 years time I don't think I can trust LG and OLED TVs anymore. Apparently LG does not offer that one time panel replacement in Austria/EU and are asking for 1050€ if I want my TV fixed (panel replaced). And that "pixel refresh" feature which should correct burn-in marks actually made it worse by spreading the marks all around the initial burn-in. What a waste of 1500€. I hope others are more lucky with their OLED TVs.
If I was going to upgrade my tv once every 2-3 years then I would get the OLED. Because I intend on holding onto my tv for many more years and I game more than other uses then I can’t justify it.
Irritating because I want the best picture. Then again most games are more about vivid colours and I think with the higher nits of LED it makes sense overall.
Brightness is one thing contrast is another... your not getting better or more vivid colors on a led
If you're in the UK, Samsung have a 10 year burn in warranty on they're TVs, -even the OLEDs.
I've actually gone for the LG C1 (arrives monday!!!) as I like the OSD and the inputs are on the better side for my setup, and I'm not worried too much about burn-in as there is better built-in protections each model year, and got the John Lewis 5 year protection plan for £100 which explicitly covers burn-in. I'm covered as well under my household insurance for any accidental damage after that.
I'm upgrading from a 12 year old LG 42 that I use for everything, so the upgrade is going to be amazing moving to 4k OLED at 120hz. Can't wait!
That 10 year burn-in warranty is just a marketing stunt by Samsung since it only applies to TVs as far as I know, where they don't have any OLEDs.
Thanks for the video. This definitely needed to be said. I am a hardcore gamer looking to replace a burnt OLED. I'm leaning towards the Q90T. Is there something else I should be looking at as well?
You can get a monitor
Sony 900h 👍
I am pretty set on LG 65 inch CX OLED for my set. Especially as a gamer. Should I wait for Black Friday or jump on it now at 2300? It is normally 2500.
All game developers should allow the user to adjust the transparency of the HUD to prevent OLED burn in.
Minecraft has this, for example. Unfortunatelly I didn't use it until the hears of the health were burned on my 55B7 :( Now I'm sad.
I went for the Sony Bravia XH90 over the Sony Bravia A9S OLED TV since I can't be taking the risk as I game alot plus open world games are the new norm these days.
I will carry on enjoying OLED displays on my Sony Xperia 1-ii and Galaxy devices like the new S7+ which I have ordered.
Will see what the future holds for OLED TV's as companies like LG and Sony still are heavily invested in them.
Wasn’t the C7 much more prone to burn in due to the red sub pixels (maybe it was the white sub pixels)?
Barack Obama yes. I have a C7, and the health bar in Apex Legends is burned in as well as the ultimate gauge. Not extremely noticeable but in certain scenes it can be seen.
Or the lackluster processing. Who really knows, lg do but, yeah.
Yep my b6 from 2016 has parts of destiny hud burned in and it's only noticeable on a full field red screen (hence those are the pixels that have "dimmed")
My 2019 c9 on the other hand has had 4-8x as much of the exact same game and over a year now vs the 3 months it took with the b6 and still the c9 shows no signs of any issue.
They really hack nailed the issue down to only the worst of the worst situations.
What does it mean to buy OLED for G synk and HDR feature? If we will not able to play online matches as long time on PS5 with LG OLED. 🤔 Fear "Burn In"
Samsung QLED gives 10 years burn in warranty. Games are made for Entertainment purposes not the tension of Burn In.
Reason why i avoid OLED although is my dream tv, No matter how they is safe or how to avoid nope, until one day becomes Burn in free,
Gamer here. Bought the LG C7 OLED during June 2018 and now November 2020, only two super small dead pixels that you have to search for to even see them but not a single sign of burn-in. I use the built-in pixel refresher once every week or two, use automated brightness and when I play in the dark, I lower it even more.
I also use the blue light filter so the image is even less bright and avoid using HDR except for the story driven games with dynamic HUD. Each OLED gamer should adjust the OLED Light and Brightness so that the image isn't too bright.
My eyes are a little sensitive toward bright lights so for me it isn't an issue (I have to use sunglasses mostly during summer anyway as my eyes would get irritated easily for a long exposure under the sun).
I've also heard that Xbox One has some kind of a luminescence adjustment you can use? I think both PS5 and Xbox Series X/S should have it also.
Well for now OLED.....not in my house im sadly rocking the sony x900h 85" i think i game to much for an oled.
I do play MK11 like you explained
900h 85 is awesome
I have played well over 1500 hrs of COD on my C9 65, with no noticeable burn in. That is both PS4, PS5 and PC with a 3080. I have since upgraded my PC monitors and have used them almost exclusively due to fear of burn in. My C9 has 2500 hours. Also with the shut downs, my viewing/playing hours have gone up and with that I make sure to try and let it rest and manually do a screen refresh.
I really wanna buy an lg cx for my ps5, But knowing there will be a burn-in makes me want to go for sony x900h
I play on my oled and have no issues I also had a Sony 900f which is the older Sony version without the X1ultimate and it use to bug me if u did look directly at the screen it looks distorted and played ok with games but playing on the LG Oled with its AI sound is amazing u can actually hear like if someone on the side of u. I didn’t go for the Sony Oled cause those are more susceptible to burn in since they don’t have a pixel refresher like the LG
@@carcleaver743 ive already bought the 65 inch x90h XD. Although my next upgrade im planning an oled. Which is then they'd probably made the chance for burn-in even lower.
@@kabutothedragon Hey bro are you liking that tv with your ps5 how is your experience and graphics on it PLEASE TELL BRO CAUSE I AM ALSO THINKING TO BUY THIS TV SONY X900h
@@maxtodd3766 this is my first 4k tv, I jumped from 1080 to 4k and ps4 standard to ps5 so from my experiece this a huge boost the difference is way too good, but i dont recommend buying the x90h tho, I also regretted it since the upgrade firmware hdmi 2.1 was fake, its still running at 4k/60fps. You can notice it hard on tomb raider where the graphics was insane but the fps drop was kinda meh. Id say wait for Bravia xr i think their hdmi 2.1 there is legit. Id give you an honest advice dont buy a tv that is below 2020.
@@kabutothedragon should I buy an lg cx oled then cause my ps5 will be delivered in 7 days and I am dying for new 4k tv so should I go for lg cx oled??
I bought the 65" OLED CX and its amazing. I also got the extended warranty from Best Buy. But I am also a casual gamer, couple hours here and there and maybe a few days in a row. Besides that Apple TV is on or some other programming. I do have a question though, will the choice of display matter? Example would be like choosing cinematic over vivid or other options that don't brighten the display to its max. Just a thought. Thank you for the video, it is very well informed.
I’ve had the C9 for a year now I use various modes but mostly Dolby digital cinema mode with the Apple TV and the game mode with games. I play some pretty bright Nintendo games and pc games like you for a few hours a night. Not had any burn in issues. I think you’ll be fine as you use it for various things. There are also burn in protections in the settings that I just leave on not really noticed any difference in image quality. I’ve really enjoyed the tv it’s great 👍🏽
You won't get burn in. You have a higher chance dropping the TV. Burn in is non existent on these new model tvs (b8 c9 cx)
It would be nice if devs included a transparency slider in their options for these HUD displays in games. At least until tvs can rectify the issue
I played Ghost of Tsushima a LOT.
Played about 3-5hours a day until I finished the game with a Platinum. On that final day, when shutting of the game and viewing other content I got a darkend area on the right side of the TV. It was shaped like a rainbow going from the center right of the screen to the down center of the screen. When I tried to shut the TV off I recieved a message on the TV, something about 2000hours screentime and that a pixel refresh was going to be enabled...after that the darkend ”rainbow” disapeared. Cant say if it was gaming related or not...regardless, Im happy with my C9
I have my (expensive) solution:
● Get the OLED to your heart's content. Play on it varied games, for reasonable hours, preferably games that are devoid of static bright HUDs.
● Get another computer monitor to your liking (UltraWide, 300Hz, etc) for hard-core long gaming sessions.
My solution
buy a 2019 or newer oled (and not have to worry about burn in cause it's pretty much eliminated)
Pay only about half the retail cost and absolutely zero extra warranty to cost even more.
If SOMEHOW I end up with burn in and it's such a problem I can't take it I just go out and buy another (and probably years newer) model for again about half the retail pricing and love happy knowing I got 2 tvs for the price of 1 (roughly).
Anyone going into best buy and paying sticker price is a fool and you know what they say about fools and their money (easily separated).
@@TJ.85 every year they release an oled TV and they always say to get the previous year or newer. They've been saying it for 10 years now. Oled is fukn trash.
@@TJ.85 Or you can just buy a QLED or LED TV and not have to worry about buying a TV every year cuz of burn ins.
@@blair5475 no one has to buy a TV every year. Oled doesn't really have a problem with it anymore since 2019 models forward. Qled and led are just another name for lcd the same old tech that's been a round for 30+ years and it's on its way out next year almost all the manufacturers including Samsung will be going oled (and being Samsung they'll go from blasting oled in commercials to singing its praises once they are the ones trying to sell it to you)
They'll throw quantum dots on it and call the problem 100% resolved.
And all you oled haters will just eat it up and jump right on the bandwagon.
But honestly I don't care at the end of the day my tech will be what ultimately wins and just means more choices and better prices for my next model.
I dont mess with any display technology that gets burn-in.
The current FALD LED sets look as good as the best plasmas from 10 years ago (with the possible exception of the Pro-111FD...that thing was fierce) so I am quite happy with them.
I game to my hearts content on my TCL-6 and never have to even think about burn-in.
With the pandemic, all day home, I am a hardcore gamer, thats why I went with the Nanocell 90, no Oled for me.
Why nanocell?? I heard it has very poor contrast ratio. Is it true. How do you find the picture quality on nanocell?? How about Q80T??
@@Docan690 its not true its actually very impressive, black levels are better than my TCL 6 series, and the picture quality is amazing.
@@Docan690 its an IPS panel. Ips is Ips. Black levels in dim room will be 4x worse than Q80T. Nano 90 is still a better tv because lg has better color science
LOL Nanocell... IPS is only suited for daytime viewing pretty much. IPS in a dimmed or dark room; Low contrast, IPS glow and grey blacks.
YomoHDZ 77 Ok. I have an LG IPS monitor and I am pretty dissatisfied with its ips glow and black levels.
Also there are other games that are a real risk retro consoles, you know almost all retro games have a lot of HUB elements, score, time, life, powers etc. Yeah OLED have a beautiful colors, and amazing dark tones but the risk of burn in and the degrade of organics are something that at least for me it does not compensate the advantages.
LG always has a “one time” panel replacement if it’s caused by use or manufacture defect.
Do they pay for the parts AND labor? What about shipping?
Secret Sauce is overrated yes, everything is covered. They replaced my panel for dead pixels and banding even after my warranty expired for a “one time” replacement
@@TylerPKegger Thanks for replying. That is pretty awesome of LG to do that :)
Secret Sauce is overrated no prob 👍🏻
Not gaureenteed as with LG its a case by case process and can turn you down.
I’m a hardcore gamer I play a lot of COD and I play it on my LG Oled BX and no burn in. It looks just as good as when I bought it a year ago And I play about 4 to 6 hours a day. And all day on my off days. No issues and I make sure to utilize the pixel refresher. Also purchased a New CX to see if I can’t cut the game play in half on each tv
ill take my sony 900h and be happy with it. Comparison is the thief of joy, and so is burn in :)
Good tv
Not good, 95 better)))
May get the 80t or the 90t tbh love oled but don't want to worry about burn in
@@shybrain we all like oled but also we all worry about burn in.... best solution is Q90 T or 80T
Want an OLED but only game max 3 hours every couple of days. I am worried about burn-in so that makes me question if the OLED is for me or not. Still need to do more research but this video tells me I shouldn't have a problem as long as I mix up my games.
I actually haven't bought an OLED yet, but when black Friday comes, I'm going for LG CX. Of course burn-in is a risk, but there is coming new TV tech in 3-4 years. So I almost hope that my TV brake about that time, so I have a reason to buy new one in 3-4 years. And when look the alternatives,... I just don't find any better. I would love QLED brightness, but I hate halos and I will watch movies also. And I'm from Finland so there will be text bars bottom. So if you wan't the best picture, I don't see that much alternatives. But in the end, I don't even believe that burn-in is that big of a risk, for me at least. 9000 hours? I have two kids, there is now way I can play that much even combine all games with the next TV I will buy. I will change the TV before I get 9000 gaming hour with it. So, LG CX 65" is going to be my next TV.
What you'll find is if you just stop worrying about it you'll be much better off just don't go out of your way to try and cause it and you'll be fine.
You'll notice anyone complaining about it is coming from an older model from 2017-2018 or earlier.
Current models from lg have pretty much eliminated most of the issues I've had a lg 2019 c9 oled for a year and game HARD and long and in 1 game only and it's one that 3 years ago caused burn in on my 2016 b6 within 3 months of ownership now more than 4x (probably like 8x) as much gaming has been done on my 2019 c9 in the exact same title and yet no issue whatsoever.
If that doesn't tell you it's virtually a non issue with today's models I guess nothing will convince you
Do not buy OLED.. dead pixels will happen overtime. And the panel will degrade.
@@ghostoftsushima5965 keep telling yourself whatever you need to I've owned oled for 4 years now and have zero issue with this. If you plan to keep a TV for 20+ years well my friend I don't think picture quality even matters to you. Might as well use an old black and white floor model at that point (just don't forget the digital converter box) lol
I joke but for real I replace my TV roughly every 3-5 years and they spend maybe at max 6 or 7 years total in my life. I highly doubt this ever becomes an issue for someone who actually care about it and anyone who does won't be buying my 7 year old tv off Craigslist. They'll just be glad it's huge and turns on for the couple hundred I ask for it.
I bought my LG C7 in 2017 and I've already noticed some burn in but not from gaming. It's from TH-cam! I've got a 5 year warranty. What do you think my chances are?
Great, I have heard both sides and now can't make up my mind lol. Great info though.
It’s not worth it.
That Rtings study was looking at C7s. I wonder how much LG’s latest techniques to reduce burn-in would have changed the outcome. For example, pixel shifting and the static image brightness reduction.
Damn Straight Sword Review, Finally someone Pointed it straight forward
Salute to you Mr Fomo from a 6one9 gamer, I can Finally lay it out to Rest👍🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
I don't know how differently the technologies work, but I've had a Panasonic plasma since 2009 and have used it very, very heavily. I have played certain games like Destiny and Destiny 2, Overwatch, and several others for hundreds of hours. When you don't know what you are doing, a Destiny raid can take all day. I have no burn in from any of that. I do, however, have significant burn in from the logos for CNN and MSNBC. I've learned to live with it, but I am excited to finally be rid of it. However, now the LG CX seems like the best TV on the market and I feel like I am repeating history. That Panasonic plasma has been a real trooper for 11 years. It may not have 4K or HDR, but the overall quality is still excellent.
I replaced my burned in C7 Oled already with 8k Qled. Played Path of Exile with burn in all over the place. Showed to LG support - got nothing from them. Never again will i buy Oled.
Yup, thats because 2017 models suffered from more burn in due to red sub pixel. Glad they fixed this on the later models. Still OLED for me.
@@gamingvibes4ktechvibes757 It's basically irrelevant which model you own. As long as you use your OLED very extensively especially with high brightness. Durability on OLED is basically non existent.
@Sergey Simon Wrong. If you actually do research, older models did suffer from red sub pixel causing more or higher risk at burn in. LG is selling the 48” CX as a Gaming monitor for a reason, not because it has the same burn in issues as before. It wouldve been a stupid move to sell an OLED for gamers if Burn in was still a big problem.
@@gamingvibes4ktechvibes757 You have to understand that, LG runs a Ponzi scheme with those OLEDs. They HAVE to sell new OLEDs in order to be alive. Because there is nothing else they could sell which keeps them afloat. They try to make those OLEDs constantly cheaper in order to find new "lucky" customers and get new money. No one who bought an OLED once willl get ever another one. Especially an expensive one like 8K.
@Sergey Simon Yeah well because they can. They MAKE these panels, no one else does. Big companies buy it from them. So yes, sure they can. But if people actually do research before buying a couple thouse dollar TV. Then the issues would have been known by customers.LG updates their TVs for 2 years, always have been, i knew this before buying a new OLED from them. If you dont like how LG works, then dont buy from them, its that simple.
I have the option of C9 65 or Q80T both at around the same price. It would be a mixed use TV for the family. Which would be the better buy?
Thank you Kojima san. Kojima is a Genius!
So does Best Buy 100% cover burn in no matter what or not? Best Buy’s warranty is the ONLY reason I definitely want to buy the CX BUT if there are loop holes in Best Buy’s protection plan as to what types of burn in is covered (normal use/wear) vs straight up hardcore gaming not being covered I will be going with the Q90T.
Many games give you the option to turn down opacity on HUD. Did not know this thank you my friend
Thank you. You covered something a lot of game reviewers that pushes these TVs don't address. Very detailed explanation.