Circling approaches are visual procedures in Class G airspace at non-towered airports. They are strictly at pilot’s discretion based on inflight visibility and charted minimums.
Thanks for posting. We all learn by watching! You mentioned ATC might be interested in knowing your planned runway in case you have to go missed. However, if you're flying the RNAV 10 and have to go missed, even if you were lined up with 28 when it happened, you would do a climbing turn to fly the RNAV 10 missed approach procedure and pop back up to ATC in the direction they were expecting. This is largely academic, because not many people fly circling approaches in low weather anymore anyway, and it would become very clear very quickly if it ever actually happened, as the GPS would be sequencing the RNAV 10 missed! Speaking of the GPS, nice panel!
Yes that is correct. I wondered when I first looked at it if it would make more sense to fly the ODP for 28, but you are correct, the missed would involve a turn back over the airport in the safest direction and hen execute the missed for 10. Where it would be less clear would be if you were at an airport that had an approach for 28 and you had flown 10 with a circle to 28 for other reasons (convenience perhaps).
Interesting, thanks for posting. I definitely could see myself making the same mistake. I've never flown an approach then circled at a non-towered before. Now that I think about the order, it makes sense that you would just circle at your own discretion. The only times I have ever opted to circle on my own accord is when I have to do an IAP for the TCO at my 141 but don't want to go to the opposite side of the field to shoot an approach.
Once your cleared for the RNAV appt. your by default cleared for all options of flying it. ATC can’t tell you how to fly it or clear you to circle to land, you just do it if you can remain VMC. Sometimes it’s safest to land with tailwind if you have enough pavement,
Do all Cherokee 6s have a constant-speed prop? Does that make airplane more expensive to maintain than a fixed-pitch prop? How does a Cherokee 180 or 235 compare to Cherokee 6?
yes all are constant speed high performance- most 300hp but some earlier 260 are 260hp carbureted. Expense isn't more with constant speed prop. Annual costs for fixed gear would be similar to 180 or 235. 235 is actually a nice plane- has similar 6cylinder engine to the 260 but less seating.
How do you like your Cherokee 6? How long have you had it? Pros? Cons? I have a friend looking for a single engine family airplane and he is looking for help in making a choice.
The pa32 series in my opinion is the best single engine family airframe there is. Tons of room and useful load. Fast enough (not as fast as a bonanza but 140-145 ktas is typical for fixed gear. A bit less maintenance hassle with fixed gear vs lance/Saratoga at about 10kt cost. Can slow down to 12gph LOP or 18gph for speed. Averages 8-10 mpg. They are very popular right now and hard to find a decent one though.
If you are curious why that controller didn't approve your request, call the facility. What you will probably find is that the controller is in error or they had another IFR a/c inbound and wanted to get your cancellation sooner so they didn't have to hold the next guy. Just a guess.
The controller and 5HoleAviation's explanation were correct. At non-towered airports, approach/center clears you for the approach and circling is at pilot's discretion. You only hear "Cleared RNAV runway 10 circle to runway 28" at a towered airport. (JO 7110.65, Para 4-8-6)
Making great memories righ there! Merry Christmas, Doc!
Circling approaches are visual procedures in Class G airspace at non-towered airports. They are strictly at pilot’s discretion based on inflight visibility and charted minimums.
Just found your channel and good stuff! Flown out of MDQ several times. Very nice
Nice flight, and I learned something new, too! :) Nice folks at Gatlinburg!
This is my first time here on your channel and I’m glad I did
Hope you enjoyed it!
Thanks for posting. We all learn by watching! You mentioned ATC might be interested in knowing your planned runway in case you have to go missed. However, if you're flying the RNAV 10 and have to go missed, even if you were lined up with 28 when it happened, you would do a climbing turn to fly the RNAV 10 missed approach procedure and pop back up to ATC in the direction they were expecting. This is largely academic, because not many people fly circling approaches in low weather anymore anyway, and it would become very clear very quickly if it ever actually happened, as the GPS would be sequencing the RNAV 10 missed! Speaking of the GPS, nice panel!
Yes that is correct. I wondered when I first looked at it if it would make more sense to fly the ODP for 28, but you are correct, the missed would involve a turn back over the airport in the safest direction and hen execute the missed for 10. Where it would be less clear would be if you were at an airport that had an approach for 28 and you had flown 10 with a circle to 28 for other reasons (convenience perhaps).
Interesting, thanks for posting. I definitely could see myself making the same mistake. I've never flown an approach then circled at a non-towered before. Now that I think about the order, it makes sense that you would just circle at your own discretion. The only times I have ever opted to circle on my own accord is when I have to do an IAP for the TCO at my 141 but don't want to go to the opposite side of the field to shoot an approach.
Sir,
You are one Cool Cucumber!!! Awesome Video!!!
MDQ is one of my favorite airports to go to! But if you've been to Decatur, they have free popcorn lol
Bust a Move!!! Lol… Luv It!!!
Once your cleared for the RNAV appt. your by default cleared for all options of flying it. ATC can’t tell you how to fly it or clear you to circle to land, you just do it if you can remain VMC. Sometimes it’s safest to land with tailwind if you have enough pavement,
Yep that was what I gathered post hoc. Always learning
Great video. What’s hanging from the door pull?
Personal satellite locator beacon. For emergencies.
Do all Cherokee 6s have a constant-speed prop? Does that make airplane more expensive to maintain than a fixed-pitch prop? How does a Cherokee 180 or 235 compare to Cherokee 6?
yes all are constant speed high performance- most 300hp but some earlier 260 are 260hp carbureted. Expense isn't more with constant speed prop. Annual costs for fixed gear would be similar to 180 or 235. 235 is actually a nice plane- has similar 6cylinder engine to the 260 but less seating.
Is your wing camera powered via direct or just battery only? Thanks in Advance!
I wish. Battery doesn’t last very long.
@@5holeaviation Thanks! Me too! I have a 182 and a couple of wing mounts and it's so hard to catch footage on long flights!!! Thanks for your posts!!!
My wife and I drove to Gatlinburg
How do you like your Cherokee 6? How long have you had it? Pros? Cons? I have a friend looking for a single engine family airplane and he is looking for help in making a choice.
The pa32 series in my opinion is the best single engine family airframe there is. Tons of room and useful load. Fast enough (not as fast as a bonanza but 140-145 ktas is typical for fixed gear. A bit less maintenance hassle with fixed gear vs lance/Saratoga at about 10kt cost. Can slow down to 12gph LOP or 18gph for speed. Averages 8-10 mpg. They are very popular right now and hard to find a decent one though.
@@5holeaviation Thank you.
girl is a savage 😆😆
If you are curious why that controller didn't approve your request, call the facility. What you will probably find is that the controller is in error or they had another IFR a/c inbound and wanted to get your cancellation sooner so they didn't have to hold the next guy. Just a guess.
The controller and 5HoleAviation's explanation were correct. At non-towered airports, approach/center clears you for the approach and circling is at pilot's discretion. You only hear "Cleared RNAV runway 10 circle to runway 28" at a towered airport. (JO 7110.65, Para 4-8-6)
There is no ifr protection for a missed approach if airport is vfr.
PA-32 video good.
Music bad.