Years back I knew a gentleman who had a Piper Arrow and ended up selling it. But soon after, he regretted selling the airplane and started making plans to get a new one. He was pretty fixated on this, would often talk about it with his wife, and decided he was going to purchase a brand new, zero-hour Piper. But he chose the Cherokee six instead (actually the Lance, its modernized version). In the long talks with his wife, he would give every detail of options, avionics, etc that he wanted in his new dream airplane. He started searching local dealers, but there was a long waiting list for new airplanes so he couldn't help but wait. As it turned out, he was in for a remarkable surprise. In a movie-style plot, his wife pulled strings with the local dealers so they would make him believe there was a long waiting list to keep him from buying the airplane, and SHE purchased the Lance secretly. On his birthday, she handed him an envelope with a set of keys inside. The keys for a zero-hour Piper Lance. I don't know what was more amazing: getting an airplane as a birthday gift from the wife, or being so spankin' rich as to not even notice the withdraw of hundreds of thousands of $$$$ from the banking account to buy an airplane. I got to fly with him a couple of times in is new Lance, and also got to fly a few times in his old Arrow, with its happy new owner.
Love my Lance. Big old pick up truck. Not nearly as fast as a Bonanza but they get there 25 minutes earlier on a 500 nm flight. I’ll take the cabin comfort all day
When I was a young buck I picked up a new Lance at the Vero Beach facility. I flew it from Florida to Napa CA solo. This in the 70s. Neat airplane. I'd get it up to 200 KTAS. It was a great flight and I'd love to do it again.
Nice job. I so appreciated you mentioning MP and RPMs while you were talking about the power settings. Nobody ever does that. I have a 79 always wanted one and I absolutely love it
This is the first ga plane i've flown. I practiced a few turns with it. Here in Brazil, it's called Minuano(indigenous people in Uruguay and south of Brazil) if it is assembled by Embraer.
thanks for that - great memories of my PA 32 6-300 - back in the late 70s - VH-MVT - but unfortunately the bloke who bought it after me - dumped it just up the road from you in Aldinga
@@DeadstickAdventures Sorry - so many years ago - circa early 80s - I heard that he ran off the end of the runway - and somewhere I came across a photo of the wrecked fuselage and wings on a trailer
In the 60's and 70's during the Vietnam War the Military would fly remains of servicemen into Andrews AF near Washington DC and they would be transported as needed across the Eastern US many times by small private plane carriers if the destination was smaller towns and villages. A company was founded called Somerset Air Hearse that was one of those small carriers contracted by the Government. This company lasted well into the 80's transporting living patients and those that may have passed on remote from their hometowns. My flight instructor was a pilot for them and I often accompanied him on "missions" to gain flight time and experience sitting in the right seat. One of their planes was a Cherokee Six and as explained the advantage being you could easily load the plane with shipping or regular casket with the remains. I remember a trip fondly where we flew to Albany NY then to LaGuardia and then back to Somerset. We flew down the East River at 1400 feet passing right over the Statue of Liberty at dusk. You could see the lights all over the place as well as up and down the coast of NJ. Into NJ we got into a squall line and my head was bouncing off the roof of the cockpit due to turbulence as I wondered if something bad happened how they would tell the difference between the "pilots" and passenger. Though a beginning pilot I found the Cherokee Six easy to fly but much heavier on the controls than I was used to in a Grumman Tiger my primary trainer.
Did my CPL flt test in a1977 Lance. Since then flown C6 & Saratogas, C235, & Dakota, Navajo & Aerostars 600/601, love those Lyc 6 cyl. Also flown 210s, 206s, 182s too. I prefer Pipers!
Always know where the electric pitch trim circuit breaker is located for a runaway trim. I’ve had it happen to me in a C210. It could run either way and if you are in IFR, you are in a serious survival situation.
Once I retire, I will be interested in buying a 6, hopefully a 300 hp. Had to give up flying so the kids could go to college but that is nearly over. Like Piper low wing aircraft as they are seemer harder to stall than the Cessnas 150, 152. 172. And the 6's apparently cheaper than the more popular Chessnas.
Great plane. I suggest getting the Lycoming engine manual and setting the engine controls in accordance with the manufacturer recommended settings. With full throttle, I set RPM and fuel flow to the economy settings in the manual and get 130 knots at 12 gph. I also keep 10° flaps during the climb to cruise to get there faster.
Little late posting here but is he just saying he likes extra VX instead of Max vy? So he's going to take longer to get to the destination but he just likes getting to altitude quicker?
I meant keeping 10° of flaps in the climb to get to cruise altitude and running LOP sooner. On longer flights, it reduces overall fuel consumption. The climb performance of a Cherokee Six is noticbly better with 10° of flaps. I ran those tests back in 2006 but didn't keep the data, I just remember the results. I don't think the same procedure applies to PA28s.
Great Review! If you are looking for a Cherokee Six, don't skip test flying the 6-260, I have one and I love it. And it will cruise way below 16 gals an hour.
Compared to the Dismal 1100 lb useful load in my 1980 turbo Saratoga retractable with air conditioning and all that extra system weight, is it the 260 that I've heard can have as much as 1600 lb useful load? and probably a bit less in the 300?
My father had a 6 (260hp version). A funeral director in town who knew my Dad asked him to take him to another nearby state to bring bag a body. I asked him what it was like flying with a body in the back (in a body bag). He said it was fine except when they'd hit some turbulence. Then the body would emit a moan.
Nice video . Are there no Cherokee sixes with the middle seats facing the back seats . Wonder what the range of this aeroplane would be when the middle and back seays are replaced with a large turtle-pack (fuel bladder) .
Years back I knew a gentleman who had a Piper Arrow and ended up selling it. But soon after, he regretted selling the airplane and started making plans to get a new one. He was pretty fixated on this, would often talk about it with his wife, and decided he was going to purchase a brand new, zero-hour Piper. But he chose the Cherokee six instead (actually the Lance, its modernized version). In the long talks with his wife, he would give every detail of options, avionics, etc that he wanted in his new dream airplane. He started searching local dealers, but there was a long waiting list for new airplanes so he couldn't help but wait.
As it turned out, he was in for a remarkable surprise. In a movie-style plot, his wife pulled strings with the local dealers so they would make him believe there was a long waiting list to keep him from buying the airplane, and SHE purchased the Lance secretly. On his birthday, she handed him an envelope with a set of keys inside. The keys for a zero-hour Piper Lance.
I don't know what was more amazing: getting an airplane as a birthday gift from the wife, or being so spankin' rich as to not even notice the withdraw of hundreds of thousands of $$$$ from the banking account to buy an airplane. I got to fly with him a couple of times in is new Lance, and also got to fly a few times in his old Arrow, with its happy new owner.
Lucky bloke! Wish my wife would buy me a plane haha. Thanks for watching and commenting!
He omitted a feature that I love: The forward cargo bin adds separation from the engine, and the engine noise is noticeably less!
Ah I talked about this in our Saratoga vid but forgot about it in this video!!
Love my Lance. Big old pick up truck. Not nearly as fast as a Bonanza but they get there 25 minutes earlier on a 500 nm flight. I’ll take the cabin comfort all day
I agree 100%. Plus the Piper maintenance is a hell of a lot cheaper. We love the Lance!
When I was a young buck I picked up a new Lance at the Vero Beach facility. I flew it from Florida to Napa CA solo. This in the 70s. Neat airplane. I'd get it up to 200 KTAS. It was a great flight and I'd love to do it again.
Nice job. I so appreciated you mentioning MP and RPMs while you were talking about the power settings. Nobody ever does that. I have a 79 always wanted one and I absolutely love it
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
This is the first ga plane i've flown. I practiced a few turns with it. Here in Brazil, it's called Minuano(indigenous people in Uruguay and south of Brazil) if it is assembled by Embraer.
@@DeadstickAdventures I thought this one would be "club seating"
Very nice video. Thank you. Considering a piper 6 as my first plane.
savvy aviation - leaning and look at the advanced video
thanks for that - great memories of my PA 32 6-300 - back in the late 70s - VH-MVT - but unfortunately the bloke who bought it
after me - dumped it just up the road from you in Aldinga
Sounds ugly. I couldn’t find it on ATSB files. Do you know what happened?
@@DeadstickAdventures Sorry - so many years ago - circa early 80s - I heard that he ran off the end of the runway - and somewhere I came across a photo of the wrecked fuselage and wings on a trailer
In the 60's and 70's during the Vietnam War the Military would fly remains of servicemen into Andrews AF near Washington DC and they would be transported as needed across the Eastern US many times by small private plane carriers if the destination was smaller towns and villages. A company was founded called Somerset Air Hearse that was one of those small carriers contracted by the Government. This company lasted well into the 80's transporting living patients and those that may have passed on remote from their hometowns. My flight instructor was a pilot for them and I often accompanied him on "missions" to gain flight time and experience sitting in the right seat. One of their planes was a Cherokee Six and as explained the advantage being you could easily load the plane with shipping or regular casket with the remains. I remember a trip fondly where we flew to Albany NY then to LaGuardia and then back to Somerset. We flew down the East River at 1400 feet passing right over the Statue of Liberty at dusk. You could see the lights all over the place as well as up and down the coast of NJ. Into NJ we got into a squall line and my head was bouncing off the roof of the cockpit due to turbulence as I wondered if something bad happened how they would tell the difference between the "pilots" and passenger. Though a beginning pilot I found the Cherokee Six easy to fly but much heavier on the controls than I was used to in a Grumman Tiger my primary trainer.
Did my CPL flt test in a1977 Lance. Since then flown C6 & Saratogas, C235, & Dakota, Navajo & Aerostars 600/601, love those Lyc 6 cyl. Also flown 210s, 206s, 182s too.
I prefer Pipers!
Always know where the electric pitch trim circuit breaker is located for a runaway trim. I’ve had it happen to me in a C210. It could run either way and if you are in IFR, you are in a serious survival situation.
Good tip! Thanks :)
Once I retire, I will be interested in buying a 6, hopefully a 300 hp. Had to give up flying so the kids could go to college but that is nearly over. Like Piper low wing aircraft as they are seemer harder to stall than the Cessnas 150, 152. 172. And the 6's apparently cheaper than the more popular Chessnas.
Great choice. All the best in your plane hunt. Thanks for watching
Great plane. I suggest getting the Lycoming engine manual and setting the engine controls in accordance with the manufacturer recommended settings. With full throttle, I set RPM and fuel flow to the economy settings in the manual and get 130 knots at 12 gph. I also keep 10° flaps during the climb to cruise to get there faster.
Interesting technique. Personally I tend to err on the side of a clean configuration for climb as climb performance comes from excess thrust, not lift
Added drag
Little late posting here but is he just saying he likes extra VX instead of Max vy? So he's going to take longer to get to the destination but he just likes getting to altitude quicker?
I meant keeping 10° of flaps in the climb to get to cruise altitude and running LOP sooner. On longer flights, it reduces overall fuel consumption. The climb performance of a Cherokee Six is noticbly better with 10° of flaps. I ran those tests back in 2006 but didn't keep the data, I just remember the results. I don't think the same procedure applies to PA28s.
Great Review! If you are looking for a Cherokee Six, don't skip test flying the 6-260, I have one and I love it. And it will cruise way below 16 gals an hour.
Thanks! Yep we’ll definitely do it if we can get our hands on one 😁
Compared to the Dismal 1100 lb useful load in my 1980 turbo Saratoga retractable with air conditioning and all that extra system weight, is it the 260 that I've heard can have as much as 1600 lb useful load? and probably a bit less in the 300?
Looks roomy very nice. Are you going to take us up in this one ?? Thanks
Love it
Thanks :)
Hot starts were next to impossible until using flood start due to vapor locking of fuel.
Only thing wrong with the Cherokee’s is everyone is onto how brilliant the 6-300 is and the one cockpit door
Aside from that, she's an absolute weapon! Thanks for watching :)
My father had a 6 (260hp version). A funeral director in town who knew my Dad asked him to take him to another nearby state to bring bag a body. I asked him what it was like flying with a body in the back (in a body bag). He said it was fine except when they'd hit some turbulence. Then the body would emit a moan.
Now that is creepy! Also what do you say when ATC asks 'how many souls on board?'
@@DeadstickAdventures I'd answer "Two, plus cargo."
You sure that funeral director didn't contract out to the mafia? LOL
Super avion, combien ça coute par an et par heure ?
Is it possible to use a toroidal propeller?`I mean it would reduce the fuel consumption by at least 20%.
I’m not sure sorry. I’d be interested. 20% is a great saving!
Nice video . Are there no Cherokee sixes with the middle seats facing the back seats . Wonder what the range of this aeroplane would be when the middle and back seays are replaced with a large turtle-pack (fuel bladder) .
Enough to get across the Pacific, people have done it!
Well I just recently flew in a Cherokee 6/300 that has rear facing seats. Which I can only imagine what that must feel like during take off.
most of them are club seating in Brazil
Club seating with fold down table and icebox.
Garmin G5 does not work with Century I/II/III autopilot -- fundamentally incompatible. So either remove the G5 or remove the Century
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Please take your foot/boot of the flap...
Lol
TURN THE MUSIC DOWN!!!
I didn't even notice