Wish I had seen this video a few months ago. WOW! Great information. I bought a 2016 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. Has all of the goodies you could ever want but as for towing it is advertised at 8900 but I have a 5000 lb travel trailer and it is a chore for it unless on straight and level road. It does the job but not as effortlessly and smooth as I would like. Currently shopping for a F-250 but may go ahead with the 350 after watching this video. Again...great video. Keep'em coming!
hezza hogg Need a little advice. Single and hitting 55 soon. I want to buy a fifth wheel for full time living. I'm not going to be towing it anytime soon. I have an acre with a large concrete slab. And water and septic tank and electric. I dont want something cheesy and I can't go ultra luxurious. What price range am I looking at used with three slides and at least 5 yrs old. And a good model. Thanks.
VIETVET656671 you don't need anything bigger than a 250 for such a small trailer. If you go to a trailer over 10,000 then think about a bigger truck. Also every step up in truck the more stiffer the ride. I have a half ton, a three quarter ton and two one tons, the loss of ride quality empty is huge as you go up in size.
You should seriously consider the 3.5 twin turbo f150 with 7600gvwr with the new diesels restictive dpf an scr traps. For the the extra fuel to burn off what my 89 cummins puts out on a trip to home depot, I could drive my new dodge to indiana. If you are not required to have diesel, the 7600gvwr f150 with the 3.5 twin turbo will give you more power to weight when towing under 10,000lbs than any truck out there. By the numbers, it is the best value and performance in towing under 10k. In the few instances that the 450hp ford diesel would make a difference, it would cost you about $20k over 200,000mi.
Thomas Carroll I'd look at a 10 year old newmar. You can get what was $100k for around $20k or less. There are people that buy these things and never use them. I looked at an 06 mountsin aire and the guy was saying how the 40in tv was out- it was a 60lb plasma that he payed $3000 extra for when new! If you were going to movearound alot, the newmar cypress gets the best mileage of any 5th wheel out there- about 20% better than average. Must be the rounded corners and most of all, the swept back nose.
not only great purchasing/towing advice, but this is great financial planning. if you don't get enough truck to meet your changing needs for the long haul, you just end up spending more when you need to buy up. and sometimes it's not even the pursuit of a larger fifth wheel but wanting to 'downsize' to a truck camper. great video.
Can never have too much information but when it is simple, concise & to the point without favoratism it is very much appreciated. Thank you for sharing a wealth of great information!
I'm a ram guy. But each make are all good trucks now days. I've had chevy, ford and ram. I've towed with all. I just love the cummins. Ease of maintenance. Room in under the hood to work. But each make will do. Thanks for all these good videos. Safe travels to you. Keep these coming.
Nice video! To clarify on RAM, all of the 2500/3500 SRW trucks have 3.42 gears with a tow rating about 17K #, with or without the HO/Aisin. The Aisin upgrade on SRW actually lowers both payload and tow ratings slightly. To get above 20K # you need DRW, where the HO/Aisin starts to make a big difference. The non-HO/68RFE/4.10 tops out at 21K #, where Aisin offers 3.42/20K, 3.73/25K, or 4.10/30K.
I'm about to buy a truck because my wife and I will be getting a 5th wheel in a few years to see the country. I really appreciate all your videos, very informative and they continue to demonstrate how little I know about both. Thanks so much and keep up the great work.
In my thinking, hauling is not the only consideration... what is as important, or even more important is stopping ability and overall stability. With this in mind, I recommend the 1 ton over the 3/4 ton.
I would appreciate if you would address the issue of suitability for a daily driver and what can be done to improve the daily driver characteristics of, say a Ford 450 dually or Ram 3500 dually.
Good video on a potentially tough question. I think the other point for people to understand is that because todays trucks have gotten heavier and heavier and the fact that the 2500/250 series trucks have a max GVWR of 10,000, the 3/4 ton trucks only have a real payload of about 2000lbs. The one tons tucks will have a real payload of 3500++ lbs. This makes a big difference as far as handling the hitch (pin) load of of a 5th wheel or goose neck trailer. Keep up the great videos.
David Hillbrand I was looking for a comment about payload...glad someone spoke up. Its irresponsible to say either 3/4 or 1 ton trucks can tow fifth wheels. all but the lightest 5ers have a pin weight greater than the payload rating on any Ram 2500. I love my 2500 but I know I'd have to upgrade if I want a 5er. if not, and if something happens, I open myself up to litigation over operating above stated limits.
Smart Thinking !! ....i have 1997 F250 2wd Reg. Cab (Non-InnerCooled) 7.3L Powerstroke and its got 147k miles with the Factory Updated injectors and Re-calibration to the PCM for the transmission and the thing is a BEAST ! ....OH !!! and one more thing ...It aint got no gps monitoring ..eye in the sky spy watching my every move either. LoL
even though the truck look the same the, internal parts are different. I had a 2010 f350 the axle shaft from a 250 to a 350. f250=1.36 f350= 1.50. the differential from a 250 is a 2 pinion diff and the 350 is a 3 pinion diff. the only way to know is to pull the actual build sheets. they look the same but they are built to handle different weights.
Once again, watched it, took notes. I was looking at a 2500 but after watching...and knowing me, I am seriously looking more towards the 3500s now....because if I want to upgrade...I need room to do it in my vehicle. Great points that I never knew about. Watching the gooseneck/5th wheel next. Learning lots. XO
I upgraded from an F 150 to an F 350 to tow my 7500lb travel trailer. It has the shorter bed but was equipped with the 5th wheel prep in the bed. Mine has the 6.7 diesel in the lariat package and has 3600 lb payload with GVWR of 11,500 lbs. The tow experience is obviously dramatically better than with the F150. I still use my ProPride hitch for the extra sway control peace of mind. We like to take trips out west through the mountains which is what prompted the trade in after the 150 struggled up and down the passes.
Many years ago there was a difference between 3/4 and 1 ton single rear wheel trucks. 1 tons had thicker tube walls on the axles, larger brake swept area, semi floating to full floating rear axles and heavier rear springs. I think manufacturers may have eliminated these differences now with the exception of the spring rating.
I just bought the Ram Tradesman 2500. It came with the fifth wheel prep pkg / trailer brake system. The fifth wheel I am looking at weighs in at just under 8,000 lbs. dry and spans 29'8. I should have way more truck than I need for this particular set up I hope.
Good point Brand loyalty . I bought a Dodge cummins in 93 . Best engine poor tranny . So I got the 5 speed manual . No problems . 180 thousand miles same clutch . Had to buy a newer truck .. What to buy . I love my old B series cummins . and Ram has gone to the new trans. Duramax VS newer Cummins ?? Allison transmition had my confidence . Ford seems to have great trucks but the Diesel motors want to self destruct . I went with the Silverado . over the Ram.
I'm pulling a 42' toy hauler with a 16 RAM 3500 DRW, it's a beast. It's done great pulling my 5vr over the Rockies. The exhaust brake is amazing on these trucks. No problems so far with the RAM, I traded my 08 450 and glad I did.
Vaska Bleach Only issue is you have to pay attention when making turns not to hit anything. It can be tricky on tight turns but that's the only downside, backing up isn't an issue. When you're in RV parks or campsites you have to pay close attention to trees, had a park host who took me down a bad route to the site and wound up scratching the side and breaking my skylight cover. I think the extra room is worth it.
Heads up for anyone getting ready to watch this video. Grab a pen and paper, and use the pause button to take notes. Great, non-biased info with a nice summary at the end. Side note: If you don't mind my asking B.T.B.R. what's your background? I'm going with Certified truck mechanic by day/RV designer by night. ;^)
just an observation, drive interstate 80 east from Des Moines east through IN and count how many hot shot drivers towing rv's with ram, chevy and ford. its not even close, ram is the most used chevy not far behind and ford is a distant 3rd. I drove all 3 before going with a ram when upgrading from my half ton. ford was nice, but way more pricy and so many configuration options just frustrated me, plus no factory bed liners! so you'll have to spend even more if you want one. the chevy had the chevy shake, and noticably less power than ram even though on paper it should have more. the options on ram were way better imo too, except i miss the bumper step on the chevy, and some of the interior build quality on the chevy felt better. in the end they will all do the job, but the one option that should be mandatory is a diesel engine. dont cheap out, spend the money and get the engine designed to tow.
What do you think about "Made in America"? Ford and Dodge may be bringing some production back to America. Do you think it will matter where it's made? Are any of the manufacturers considering building new plants in America? Do you know where the current units are made or where they are assembled?
I ordered a 2017 crew cab dualley F-450 Superduty was built just outside of Louisville,KY about 5 miles from me and I haul a 38 ft. Fifth wheel AND a custom 48 ft.dragster trailer fifth wheel with full living quarters....my truck pulls these as if they aren’t even there!! 😀
It also depends on the type of 5th wheel trailer and the amount of additional weight outside of the trailer itself. If you buy a toy hauler and your toys weigh 2000lbs plus weight of full tanks, that will makes a huge difference in HD truck consideration. Usually it’s not the towing capabilities that is a concern, it’s the braking or stopping capabilities.
Another thing to add on the Ford F350 vs 250...the spring rate is slightly stiffer and height is slightly taller in the front springs by 7/8-1". I like them all for different reasons and always get the 1 ton version...and see you are driving a Ford which to me has some slight advantages over the other two in a 1 ton application.
I'm setting up my 1964 El Camino for a 42 foot 5th wheel toy hauler. Don't worry, I have a trailer brake controller and I'm gonna put NOS on it for the steep grades. 😄
Don't know if this was already pointed out, but in the case of the RAM HD. The 3500s have leave springs at the back, while the 2500s have cool springs like the 1500s do. The difference in the ride is significant in my experience. Unlike an F250 vs an F350.
This is eleventy billion % true. If I could go back in time I would purchase a RAM 3500 DRW with the Aisin transmission(not for the extra power) or G56 and 3.73 rear end. That being said, my 3/4 ton ram does more than OK with airbags. As long as you do not exceed tire or axle ratings the airbags make or break how much tongue weight I can handle and maintain a comfortable level ride. I think you are correct on the brands as well, they all have something going for them. For me an independent front suspension or engine that required cab removal for major out of warranty service was out of the question.
Keith m Yes,,,,,,I just replaced my 1996 Dodge one ton DRW with a new 2017 Ram with a aisin transmission. I couldn't be happier,,,,,I was looking at the Ford 350 and 450 for the advanced tech i.e. 360 cameras with zoom even but they just cost too much and were difficult to find a loaded up unit. So I bought a Ram with ever option available at 15k off MSRP and ordered a Raptor for a daily driver. It should be here in three weeks however I am loving this Ram so much I am now wondering why I didn't get a power-wagon? (The wife say the same thing!)
I have a 10,000 GVWR F-250. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 10-12k lb fifth wheel. While running the numbers it's apparent that I could EASILY bust the trucks GVWR without nearing the GCWR. The truck is 7,100 empty and the pin weight on the is nearly 2,000. That doesn't leave much room for fuel, passengers, and cargo. The F-350 would fix this but the tags cost more. Ford rated my generation F-250 at 10k for registration purposes and continues to offer a de-rated GVWR option for the new F-250's to knock it down to 10k. My recommendation is any fifth wheel over 35', go one ton of able.
@bradon I've been told that if you don't have the right truck for the job especially mountain areas, you truck will give out...I'm more fond of duramax as well, would you say 2500hd or 3500hd does better?
chevy did use stronger front end torsion bar on the 3500 dually vs single and 2500s. Dont know if still the case now. Also a half may be rated for 10 000lbs but you'll go through differentials like crazy if you tow all week long. Just because it can do it, doesnt mean it can do it full time without accelerated wear.
Great video and very informative. Only problem for me is that I already have my f250. We never thought we would get a camper but now that our children have left, we're considering get a camper. But since it's just me and my wife, we're only looking at a 6443 pound travel trailer and since my trucks towing capacity is 12500 pounds, I think I'm in pretty good shape. If we ever do go to a large 5th wheel, I've already decided to get a f450. But for now we're just getting this smaller travel trailer to see how much we like RVing.
You like saying the word package..... lol Your truck decision should also come down to are you going to be full time RVing or are you going to be pulling a trailer once or twice a year. If I was a full timer it would definitely be a dually truck and yes it would be a F450-550 truck, why? The braking power and handling capacity, all it takes is something to malfunction in the trailer braking system to make you leave a nice stain in your gonch. The 1 ton trucks SRW/Dually just don't have the braking power to try stop your truck and trailer if you have brake problems on the trailer. I've seen it numerous times where the electric brakes on a trailer malfunctioned the trucks brakes were glowing red to try stop the load.
Actually, it's not a "Jake Brake". It's an exhaust brake. It uses back pressure from the turbo to slow you down. It works in conjunction with the transmission and tow/haul mode. Works a treat on my 2017 Silverado 3500.
F350SRW vs F250 is more then spacer blocks and a overload spring. The 350SRW has higher spline count axle shafts, and a larger diameter axle shaft. I also believe the 350 has different rear axle completely if you get a gas model also vs a F250.
only thing you missed is the maintenance and repairs, each company has their problems, dodge transmission, Ford chevy, diesel cab off or drop transmission repairs to get in the cramped compartments. after warranty it gets very expensive for repairs $1,000 to just to get to the problem. Ford has had some bad years of diesel engines and parts. talk to mechanic too to see what problems they deal with.
The best truck is the truck that can safely get the job done. I.e.: can stop your trailer as well as pull your trailer, rides nice (you're paying so much money, right?), and has all the features you want and need. I have a Duramax 3500 drw, but the equally equipped Rams and Fords are just as capable, if not more capable. My truck more than meets my needs, as should yours.
hmm, I think you spoke too generally. For RAM, the suspension does indeed vary between 2500 and 3500. The 2500 has a coil spring rear. The 3500 has a leaf spring rear. Also, the trannys are different. From many reviews, the 2500 rides the best of HD trucks; whereas the 3500 rides hard as expected. You are correct to say the Cummins in the 2500 has lower power, but not by too much - only 100 lbsft torque less. Your points about Ford are well taken, except you omit to say the Ford front end is twin beam, whereas the Ram/GM have independent. As you say, people need to assess their needs carefully.
Great information and explanation. I hope you're planning on addressing SRW vs. DRW in your next videos. I've learned a lot from your videos and would like to hear your take on this topic as well. Thanks for all the work you put into your videos.
As much as I did enjoy your practical side of these choices, you failed to provide the most important thing to consider. Example, Ford Super Duty F-350 claims it has a max tow rating of 34K, according to DMV, unless you have a Class A license, you are not allowed to tow anything over 26,000. In choosing the proper towing vehicle greatly depends on the actual GVWR of your trailer, and the actual towing capabilities of the truck. I have the Class A non commercial license and drive an F-350 Super Duty Diesel with a tow package rating of 34K however I weigh in at the scales fully loaded at 23,300 so therefor I'm legal. Again, anything over 26,000 you must be properly licensed. Of course the trailer dealer or truck dealer won't tell you this. Do your homework folks.
You must be referring to the GCWR. You would be correct if you are talking about commercial towing which would require a Class A when your GCWR hits 26,001lbs. However, for recreational towing, such as an RV, or not towing for business then there are no such restrictions (check your local and state laws). Technically you could buy a 60,000lb Prevost Diesel Pusher and tow a 20,000lb trailer and not need a Class A in many states.
Also, I was wondering if you could put together a list of questions and things we need to look for when purchasing an RV. For example, what is the thickness of the walls? Thanks...and looking forward to any assistance you can provide. Happy Camping
Looking at all of the little variations in the options that can affect overall towing and payload does make the F450 pickup a very simple direction to go, just pick the trim you want. I think the advertised numbers on these trucks should be based on the most popular configurations (crew cab, 4wd) and heaviest trim, then maybe dealers would be less likely to rattle off big numbers that only apply if you look at a single cab 2wd. Look at Rams payloads on 2500s, the highest payload gets close to 4000 lbs with a single cab gas 2wd, but by the time you get to a 4wd crew cab short bed diesel the payload is down around 2300 lbs.
I don't understand the hype for the fifth wheel prep package from Ford. It limit you so much on the number of hitch that you can fit , especially in the short bed trucks. I know that the standards rails do not leave the bed all flat but the thing is that I can buy any hitch and it will fit. Besides I never understood why people absolutely need a brand new hitch in a brand new truck. I pick up a hitch on local ads for 500$ CND that is worth more than 2500$. When you sell the truck , the next owner can chose any hitch
There will be a million opinions about diesel vs gas, chevy vs ram vs gmc vs ford (etc.), and so on. What really matters is, truck GVWR plus trailer GVWR must be less than truck GCWR. And none of the axles can be overloaded, so opt for the biggest axles you can get on both tow vehicle and trailer. Done. Nothing else matters except matters of personal preference. There is *never* too much truck.
It really depends on whats important regardless of bias. If you want to go fastest up the sterpest grade, ford has the 15% hp advantage. If you want efficiency, dodge wins. Look at the pullers in Indiana. No hard numbers, but you'll agree its close to 70%, 20%, 10% dodge, ford, chevy(being generous with chevy). Today, as an every now and then fifth wheel puller- F-150 3.5 twin turbo with the 7600gwwr is my 1st choice. $8k less, plenty of payliad for 16,000lb fifth wheel. I know, 3k over fords 3.73 gcwr, but the determining factor there is pull away torque at wheels, unless you're in SF, you don't need to worry about the strain of an uphill start at 20,000 total weight.
Good info, but your assertion that the only real difference between a Ford F250 SRW and a F350 SRW is the rear springs/suspension WAS true up until 2016. Ford has made a few more changes to the 2017's and there is now a much bigger difference between these two models - as evidenced by the new 2017 Super Duty tow ratings. The 2016 F350 SRW was rated at about 15.5K for a 5th wheel while the new 2017 F350 SRW is rated at about 20.5K for a 5th wheel. Huge difference. That didn't come from just adding a leaf spring!
I bought a trailer 6800lb dry I didn't like the way my 2016 tundra pulled it.. so I moved up to a 2017 2500 hd Duramax 6.6 I love it now I'm looking for a bigger fifth wheel
JD, thanks for the great info videos. Love the nuts and bolts info. Looking at some of the 2019 F-350 6.7 PS vehicles online at different dealerships and have noticed fifth wheel towing limits of 12,100 and pin weight limits of 1,200. What options are missing on these trucks that are putting them in the towing capacity range of our 2016 F-250 6.2? Thanks.
what about in your opinion the towing characteristics of the trucks for example long box versus short box or ford/dodge solid front axle versus GM independent front suspension? if those even make a noticeable difference.
I think the best towing truck is a 1 ton dually 8 foot bed or the basics. They all should have a towing kit installed, Ford, Dodge, GMC/Chevy or the makes.
Hello, does it help the rear end if you were to increase the size of the pumpkin? increasing the amount of fluid within the pumpkin. I have a Ram 2500 w/Turbo diesel looking to make upgrades for ride, safety and longevity of truck parts. thanks for the videos! very helpful.
You mentioned you have a video rating trucks by rig weight - which one is that? I have a 36.5’, 14500lb GVWR 5th wheel and am in search of a truck to pull it (for under $30k.) would love your input on what best to look for. Thanks!
Thanks for the great info. My search is a little more complicated by being in the UK but definitely now looking at the Ram 3500 or the F350 dually. (The top versions of the 2 most commonly available brands this side of the pond) Likely to 'only' be towing around 12000 to 14000 lb but I can see your point. Thanks again.
Agreed. It used to be that Ram trucks had substantially higher beds than Ford and Chevy. But the stock 2017 Ford is now two or three inches taller as well. Based upon the frequency of times I see fifth wheels oddly mounted behind Rams, it suggests that the hitch systems may not have sufficient adjustment to address the height difference (in which case the new Fords may have the same issue)
Umm. . . I thought the RAM rear suspension can differ, GREATLY, though. Coils, leafs, air suspension are all possibilities depending on 2500 vs. 3500. Am I wrong?
Big Truck Big RV Yeah. I went through the arduous task of the RamTrucks configurator online to verify it, minutes ago. But, could be a study in (old) leafs vs. (new) coils in a comparable SRW situations. But, I defer my lay opinion to better suited testers.
All current RAM SRW trucks are coil springs. All DRW trucks are leaf springs. The published 2017 RAM towing guides do not show any increase in either payload or tow rating for the air suspension upgrade.
***** I actually have the RAM trucks website with configured 2017 RAM 3500, SRW, Tradesman, Crew Cab, 8' bed, 4wd Cummins auto, which I did earlier in the comment, open still on the website, and it specifies rear leafs. Although, I'm only going by what the Build & Price configurator is giving me.
+Todd Stewart Sorry. Tried to take picture. THEN tried to copy link. Here's the best I can come up with. Although listed as "Standard items," it's still listed as a SRW option. www.ramtrucks.com/hostc/bmo/CUT201715D28L92A/2TA/configurator.do#/summary
Technical question. I just bought my first 5th wheel. To get four and a half to five inches of clearance over the back corner of the bed when hitched the trailer runs nose high/tail low. I'm concerned about weight distribution on the axles (2), and it makes for a lot of jacking on the landing gear to level/rehook. What are your thoughts on an axle flipping? I am capable of doing this myself for nominal cost. I could then raise my hitch one notch and gain some over bedrail clearance. I pull a 32' Prowler with an '05 F-350 Crew Cab long bed 4x4 PS at stock ride height. I live in North East PA, were we don't frequently experience high. cross winds but I do run a lot of "secondary" roads as apposed to interstate.
Mark Smith: alot of folks axle flip to get a slight increase in height for lifted trucks. The problem is that it throws off the geometry of the leaf springs and equalizer. I've not heard of any failures by doing this, but if you were to do this I would suggest beefing up your RV suspension and even adding some welds to reinforce areas, such as the leaf spring hangers, that might be under additional stress.
Big Truck Big RV So having the trailer ride with a "rake" doesn't negatively effect weight distribution on the trailer axles? Seems to me all trailer spring hangers are on the flimsy side and adding some gussets would be simple while I have the welder out. Thanks.
Hey, I really enjoy your videos. I will be buying a 40' fifth wheel and was wondering do I really need a dually. We will be full timers and everyone tells me about the safety factor having the extra wheel can have but they are so much wider and you have the extra exspense and hastle of 50% more tires. Thats not a big deal when pulling but when you're not pulling it will be harder to fit into the ever shrinking parking spots at stores and forget about drive through banking or restaurants. I'd like get away with a 1 ton single axle if I can but at the same time don't want to be unsafe. what are your thoughts? What advise might you have? Thanks for the videos, I enjoy hearing what you have to say. Moses
F350-550 are nice truck. Ram 3500 and GM 3500s are too. If I wanted to pull longest camper like 40-48 fifth wheel. I would have f650 or 750 or international or freightliner FL50-70. It is easier to pull any terrains. It would prevented overheat the transmission. I drove my Suburban lifted and no trailer pulled and going approximate 20 miles long up the mountain. It would not pull my Suburban up to speed. Acting like 18 wheeler.
I forget to mention that I was formerly service technician. It is my opinion for trucks to pull the trailers. I rather to have 1/3 of dry trailer weight with truck maximum gross weight. Can load to 2/3 and leave 1/3 space to reduces the breakdown on trucks. That's why I would go to med-duty trucks for longest fifth wheel camper or cargo trailers. Hope to helps. Other thing, maintenance the trucks, it will keep truck running better. Think about the terrains where you are driving to, be careful about that and might have to short maintenance schedules to prevent the breakdown.
Although this is a "Part 1" the recommendation can be very misleading. 3/4 and 1 tons can pull a fifth wheel motor-wise but fifth wheel pin weights determine the legality and safety of towing fifth wheel. GCWR, GAWR and payload come into play on determining whether the truck will legal and safe on the road. I pull a 40ft fiver with a F350 with the max tow package and my combined weight plus payload are way to close to maximums to say I'm safe. Does my truck tow and stop my fiver.... yes but I'm uncomfortably close to being illegal.
Any idea why the 2017 GMC 3500 diesel dually is rated to (5th wheel) tow about 9000 lbs less than the comparable Ram or Ford model when they all have approximately 400+ horse power and 900+ lb/ft torque? Seems like a huge disparity between otherwise similar trucks! ie., GMC: 23,300 lbs, Ram 31,200, and Ford 31,900. (Ford"s specifications have a footnote that their 5th wheel hitch is limited to 27,500 though with a gooseneck you can go up to 31,900 lbs.) www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/2017/models/f350-xl/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIw9HLqJHp1AIVD5t-Ch0H0g0IEAAYASAAEgKG_PD_BwE&searchid=217072834|13434001594|11949965359&s_kwcid=AL!2519!3!61609475914!e!!!!f350%20towing%20capacity&ef_id=VyMiKQAABU9XT9DK:20170701223040:s www.ramtrucks.com/ram-3500/capability.html www.gmc.com/trailering-towing.html Thanks!
ok im a complete newbie at what type of truck i need as i don't know the math ? for a fifth wheel truck i need to tow this trailer. where working on a limited budget , but want to make sure we don't jack knife or damage trailer or truck or someone else , where going to be snow birds that travel 1 or 2 time a yrs going from the east coast to the west coast. Our fifth wheel trailer is a Forest River Cedar Creek 36CK2 with Slides 3, Hitch Weight 2525 lbs, Ship Weight 13075 lbs, GVWR 16525 lbs, Length 40' 7", Height 13' 0", Width 8' 0,". Can we use a single Axel truck ? Can we use a ford f250 super duty, Any information you can provide me would be greatly appreciated
TShull I use a 2012 Chevy 3500 dually with the duramax diesel to haul my Lance 995 truck camper. I weighed the truck with full fuel and no camper and it was 8500 pounds. Weighed it again with the camper fully loaded with water and beer, and the whole package came in at 13,040 pounds. With the 4500 pound camper, I am still more than 2000 pounds under my total cargo capacity rating. I do have airbags as well. I am super happy with this setup.
Big Truck Big RV Good review a lot of good stuff in this video. I would like to see you do the same for the half tons as most people don't know that for Chevy especially you can't get a fully loaded truck in a max towing configuration main reason I went diesel.
Transmission quality? Between brands..... ? Durability? Let’s say a lot of traveling with a lot of grades to cross? I was led to believe the Allison (am I misunderstanding? Would that be an Aisin? transmission the GM product was top notch... “BUT” Price of GMC trucks is the price that I bought my house.... ouch....
It seems the f250 with " camper/snowplow prep" is exactly the same as f 350 in diesel. In gas, the f250 has a different trans. not sure what exactly is the difference. " torque shift-G" vs " Torque shift
FalvyPollard: The G Torqueshift has a higher first gear ratios for better acceleration and also downshifts faster as well as engine speed matching. This enables better loaded stopping and. Better unloaded acceleration
FalvyPollard, the trade off is less towing power with the 6.2L gas but the payload capacity is around 1000 lbs more, due to a lighter engine, no turbo, no intercooler and tubing associated with having a turbo charged motor. I factory ordered my 2017 F250 King Ranch with the 6.2L gas engine about 3 weeks ago. I specifically wanted the gas motor because of the type of driving I do, rarely towing anything, but needing the higher payload capacity.
Got a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins. Looked at a few towing guides and they state my specific truck can tow 17k pounds and a GCVWR of 25k. That should allow me to tow a pretty decent sized fifth wheel trailer as most of them are under 17k pounds right?
Wish I had seen this video a few months ago. WOW! Great information. I bought a 2016 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. Has all of the goodies you could ever want but as for towing it is advertised at 8900 but I have a 5000 lb travel trailer and it is a chore for it unless on straight and level road. It does the job but not as effortlessly and smooth as I would like. Currently shopping for a F-250 but may go ahead with the 350 after watching this video. Again...great video. Keep'em coming!
Go as big as you can afford, in a towing rig
hezza hogg Need a little advice. Single and hitting 55 soon. I want to buy a fifth wheel for full time living. I'm not going to be towing it anytime soon. I have an acre with a large concrete slab. And water and septic tank and electric. I dont want something cheesy and I can't go ultra luxurious. What price range am I looking at used with three slides and at least 5 yrs old. And a good model. Thanks.
VIETVET656671 you don't need anything bigger than a 250 for such a small trailer. If you go to a trailer over 10,000 then think about a bigger truck. Also every step up in truck the more stiffer the ride.
I have a half ton, a three quarter ton and two one tons, the loss of ride quality empty is huge as you go up in size.
You should seriously consider the 3.5 twin turbo f150 with 7600gvwr with the new diesels restictive dpf an scr traps. For the the extra fuel to burn off what my 89 cummins puts out on a trip to home depot, I could drive my new dodge to indiana. If you are not required to have diesel, the 7600gvwr f150 with the 3.5 twin turbo will give you more power to weight when towing under 10,000lbs than any truck out there. By the numbers, it is the best value and performance in towing under 10k. In the few instances that the 450hp ford diesel would make a difference, it would cost you about $20k over 200,000mi.
Thomas Carroll I'd look at a 10 year old newmar. You can get what was $100k for around $20k or less. There are people that buy these things and never use them. I looked at an 06 mountsin aire and the guy was saying how the 40in tv was out- it was a 60lb plasma that he payed $3000 extra for when new! If you were going to movearound alot, the newmar cypress gets the best mileage of any 5th wheel out there- about 20% better than average. Must be the rounded corners and most of all, the swept back nose.
not only great purchasing/towing advice, but this is great financial planning. if you don't get enough truck to meet your changing needs for the long haul, you just end up spending more when you need to buy up. and sometimes it's not even the pursuit of a larger fifth wheel but wanting to 'downsize' to a truck camper. great video.
Another great video. I love your drama free, common sense approach to every day questions that your viewers have. Keep up the good work.
Can never have too much information but when it is simple, concise & to the point without favoratism it is very much appreciated. Thank you for sharing a wealth of great information!
I'm a ram guy. But each make are all good trucks now days. I've had chevy, ford and ram. I've towed with all. I just love the cummins. Ease of maintenance. Room in under the hood to work. But each make will do. Thanks for all these good videos. Safe travels to you. Keep these coming.
Nice video! To clarify on RAM, all of the 2500/3500 SRW trucks have 3.42 gears with a tow rating about 17K #, with or without the HO/Aisin. The Aisin upgrade on SRW actually lowers both payload and tow ratings slightly. To get above 20K # you need DRW, where the HO/Aisin starts to make a big difference. The non-HO/68RFE/4.10 tops out at 21K #, where Aisin offers 3.42/20K, 3.73/25K, or 4.10/30K.
I'm about to buy a truck because my wife and I will be getting a 5th wheel in a few years to see the country. I really appreciate all your videos, very informative and they continue to demonstrate how little I know about both. Thanks so much and keep up the great work.
In my thinking, hauling is not the only consideration... what is as important, or even more important is stopping ability and overall stability. With this in mind, I recommend the 1 ton over the 3/4 ton.
Which brand is using bigger brakes in its 1-ton than they are in their 3/4 ton?
Just started looking at RV's and thinking about a 5th wheel glad I found this I'll watch a bunch of your videos
I would appreciate if you would address the issue of suitability for a daily driver and what can be done to improve the daily driver characteristics of, say a Ford 450 dually or Ram 3500 dually.
Put a complete air suspension on them. I have been daily driving a Ram 3500 dually for three years and it has suited me just fine.
Good video on a potentially tough question. I think the other point for people to understand is that because todays trucks have gotten heavier and heavier and the fact that the 2500/250 series trucks have a max GVWR of 10,000, the 3/4 ton trucks only have a real payload of about 2000lbs. The one tons tucks will have a real payload of 3500++ lbs. This makes a big difference as far as handling the hitch (pin) load of of a 5th wheel or goose neck trailer. Keep up the great videos.
David Hillbrand I was looking for a comment about payload...glad someone spoke up. Its irresponsible to say either 3/4 or 1 ton trucks can tow fifth wheels. all but the lightest 5ers have a pin weight greater than the payload rating on any Ram 2500. I love my 2500 but I know I'd have to upgrade if I want a 5er. if not, and if something happens, I open myself up to litigation over operating above stated limits.
I realized the best truck for me is the one that's paid for. I can do a lot to my 2003 f350 to make it do whatever I want.
Smart Thinking !! ....i have 1997 F250 2wd Reg. Cab (Non-InnerCooled) 7.3L Powerstroke and its got 147k miles with the Factory Updated injectors and Re-calibration to the PCM for the transmission and the thing is a BEAST ! ....OH !!! and one more thing ...It aint got no gps monitoring ..eye in the sky spy watching my every move either. LoL
even though the truck look the same the, internal parts are different. I had a 2010 f350 the axle shaft from a 250 to a 350. f250=1.36 f350= 1.50. the differential from a 250 is a 2 pinion diff and the 350 is a 3 pinion diff. the only way to know is to pull the actual build sheets. they look the same but they are built to handle different weights.
Raymond Cruz how u get a 2 and 3 pinion diff?
Once again, watched it, took notes. I was looking at a 2500 but after watching...and knowing me, I am seriously looking more towards the 3500s now....because if I want to upgrade...I need room to do it in my vehicle. Great points that I never knew about. Watching the gooseneck/5th wheel next. Learning lots. XO
I upgraded from an F 150 to an F 350 to tow my 7500lb travel trailer. It has the shorter bed but was equipped with the 5th wheel prep in the bed. Mine has the 6.7 diesel in the lariat package and has 3600 lb payload with GVWR of 11,500 lbs. The tow experience is obviously dramatically better than with the F150. I still use my ProPride hitch for the extra sway control peace of mind. We like to take trips out west through the mountains which is what prompted the trade in after the 150 struggled up and down the passes.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this video. Good job!
Many years ago there was a difference between 3/4 and 1 ton single rear wheel trucks. 1 tons had thicker tube walls on the axles, larger brake swept area, semi floating to full floating rear axles and heavier rear springs. I think manufacturers may have eliminated these differences now with the exception of the spring rating.
Pretty much. And brakes, now, is about the only difference anymore
Brakes are pretty much the same now as well.
I just bought the Ram Tradesman 2500. It came with the fifth wheel prep pkg / trailer brake system. The fifth wheel I am looking at weighs in at just under 8,000 lbs. dry and spans 29'8. I should have way more truck than I need for this particular set up I hope.
If your towing a 25'+ rv or more then you should get a daully. I once saw a Ford ranger towing a 15' camper. It was one hell of a interesting rig
Good point Brand loyalty . I bought a Dodge cummins in 93 . Best engine poor tranny . So I got the 5 speed manual . No problems . 180 thousand miles same clutch . Had to buy a newer truck .. What to buy . I love my old B series cummins . and Ram has gone to the new trans. Duramax VS newer Cummins ?? Allison transmition had my confidence . Ford seems to have great trucks but the Diesel motors want to self destruct . I went with the Silverado . over the Ram.
Very good tips about engines, tow package, HD + sway bars plus camper package and AISIN transmission.
I'm pulling a 42' toy hauler with a 16 RAM 3500 DRW, it's a beast. It's done great pulling my 5vr over the Rockies. The exhaust brake is amazing on these trucks. No problems so far with the RAM, I traded my 08 450 and glad I did.
Vaska Bleach Only issue is you have to pay attention when making turns not to hit anything. It can be tricky on tight turns but that's the only downside, backing up isn't an issue. When you're in RV parks or campsites you have to pay close attention to trees, had a park host who took me down a bad route to the site and wound up scratching the side and breaking my skylight cover. I think the extra room is worth it.
Heads up for anyone getting ready to watch this video. Grab a pen and paper, and use the pause button to take notes. Great, non-biased info with a nice summary at the end.
Side note: If you don't mind my asking B.T.B.R. what's your background? I'm going with Certified truck mechanic by day/RV designer by night. ;^)
Mechanical Engineer and Truck, Car & RV enthusiast
I knew there was a technical background in there somewhere. LOL.
I wish you would do a video on the older trucks ability of towing, like in the 80s and 90's
just an observation, drive interstate 80 east from Des Moines east through IN and count how many hot shot drivers towing rv's with ram, chevy and ford. its not even close, ram is the most used chevy not far behind and ford is a distant 3rd. I drove all 3 before going with a ram when upgrading from my half ton. ford was nice, but way more pricy and so many configuration options just frustrated me, plus no factory bed liners! so you'll have to spend even more if you want one. the chevy had the chevy shake, and noticably less power than ram even though on paper it should have more. the options on ram were way better imo too, except i miss the bumper step on the chevy, and some of the interior build quality on the chevy felt better. in the end they will all do the job, but the one option that should be mandatory is a diesel engine. dont cheap out, spend the money and get the engine designed to tow.
if that's the case sounds like the best one would be the one that has the best longevity without repairs.
What do you think about "Made in America"? Ford and Dodge may be bringing some production back to America. Do you think it will matter where it's made? Are any of the manufacturers considering building new plants in America? Do you know where the current units are made or where they are assembled?
Kevin Sigler i think the superdutys are build in Kentucky some where. i know our ford flex was made in Canada and our ford fusion was made in Mexico.
I ordered a 2017 crew cab dualley F-450 Superduty was built just outside of Louisville,KY about 5 miles from me and I haul a 38 ft. Fifth wheel AND a custom 48 ft.dragster trailer fifth wheel with full living quarters....my truck pulls these as if they aren’t even there!! 😀
It also depends on the type of 5th wheel trailer and the amount of additional weight outside of the trailer itself. If you buy a toy hauler and your toys weigh 2000lbs plus weight of full tanks, that will makes a huge difference in HD truck consideration. Usually it’s not the towing capabilities that is a concern, it’s the braking or stopping capabilities.
Another thing to add on the Ford F350 vs 250...the spring rate is slightly stiffer and height is slightly taller in the front springs by 7/8-1". I like them all for different reasons and always get the 1 ton version...and see you are driving a Ford which to me has some slight advantages over the other two in a 1 ton application.
I'm setting up my 1964 El Camino for a 42 foot 5th wheel toy hauler. Don't worry, I have a trailer brake controller and I'm gonna put NOS on it for the steep grades. 😄
Don't know if this was already pointed out, but in the case of the RAM HD. The 3500s have leave springs at the back, while the 2500s have cool springs like the 1500s do.
The difference in the ride is significant in my experience. Unlike an F250 vs an F350.
This is eleventy billion % true. If I could go back in time I would purchase a RAM 3500 DRW with the Aisin transmission(not for the extra power) or G56 and 3.73 rear end. That being said, my 3/4 ton ram does more than OK with airbags. As long as you do not exceed tire or axle ratings the airbags make or break how much tongue weight I can handle and maintain a comfortable level ride.
I think you are correct on the brands as well, they all have something going for them. For me an independent front suspension or engine that required cab removal for major out of warranty service was out of the question.
Keith m Yes,,,,,,I just replaced my 1996 Dodge one ton DRW with a new 2017 Ram with a aisin transmission. I couldn't be happier,,,,,I was looking at the Ford 350 and 450 for the advanced tech i.e. 360 cameras with zoom even but they just cost too much and were difficult to find a loaded up unit.
So I bought a Ram with ever option available at 15k off MSRP and ordered a Raptor for a daily driver. It should be here in three weeks however I am loving this Ram so much I am now wondering why I didn't get a power-wagon? (The wife say the same thing!)
Very interesting app for iPhone information
I have a 10,000 GVWR F-250. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 10-12k lb fifth wheel. While running the numbers it's apparent that I could EASILY bust the trucks GVWR without nearing the GCWR. The truck is 7,100 empty and the pin weight on the is nearly 2,000. That doesn't leave much room for fuel, passengers, and cargo. The F-350 would fix this but the tags cost more. Ford rated my generation F-250 at 10k for registration purposes and continues to offer a de-rated GVWR option for the new F-250's to knock it down to 10k. My recommendation is any fifth wheel over 35', go one ton of able.
We have always used a duramax and we pull a 40' sandpiper.
@bradon I've been told that if you don't have the right truck for the job especially mountain areas, you truck will give out...I'm more fond of duramax as well, would you say 2500hd or 3500hd does better?
Thanks for this...has been very helpful. We are in the final stages of selecting an RV and tow vehicle.
chevy did use stronger front end torsion bar on the 3500 dually vs single and 2500s. Dont know if still the case now. Also a half may be rated for 10 000lbs but you'll go through differentials like crazy if you tow all week long. Just because it can do it, doesnt mean it can do it full time without accelerated wear.
Great video and very informative. Only problem for me is that I already have my f250. We never thought we would get a camper but now that our children have left, we're considering get a camper. But since it's just me and my wife, we're only looking at a 6443 pound travel trailer and since my trucks towing capacity is 12500 pounds, I think I'm in pretty good shape. If we ever do go to a large 5th wheel, I've already decided to get a f450. But for now we're just getting this smaller travel trailer to see how much we like RVing.
You like saying the word package..... lol Your truck decision should also come down to are you going to be full time RVing or are you going to be pulling a trailer once or twice a year. If I was a full timer it would definitely be a dually truck and yes it would be a F450-550 truck, why? The braking power and handling capacity, all it takes is something to malfunction in the trailer braking system to make you leave a nice stain in your gonch. The 1 ton trucks SRW/Dually just don't have the braking power to try stop your truck and trailer if you have brake problems on the trailer. I've seen it numerous times where the electric brakes on a trailer malfunctioned the trucks brakes were glowing red to try stop the load.
Graveltrucking with these modern diesel truck's would the exhaust brake help slowing down the trailer?
lol these modern deisel trucks like the gmc 2500 serria denali have jake brakes.
Actually, it's not a "Jake Brake". It's an exhaust brake. It uses back pressure from the turbo to slow you down. It works in conjunction with the transmission and tow/haul mode. Works a treat on my 2017 Silverado 3500.
With the Ram the 3/4 ton you get a coil spring rear suspension. When you move to a 1 ton you get a leaf spring suspension.
F350SRW vs F250 is more then spacer blocks and a overload spring. The 350SRW has higher spline count axle shafts, and a larger diameter axle shaft. I also believe the 350 has different rear axle completely if you get a gas model also vs a F250.
only thing you missed is the maintenance and repairs, each company has their problems, dodge transmission, Ford chevy, diesel cab off or drop transmission repairs to get in the cramped compartments. after warranty it gets very expensive for repairs $1,000 to just to get to the problem. Ford has had some bad years of diesel engines and parts. talk to mechanic too to see what problems they deal with.
The best truck is the truck that can safely get the job done. I.e.: can stop your trailer as well as pull your trailer, rides nice (you're paying so much money, right?), and has all the features you want and need. I have a Duramax 3500 drw, but the equally equipped Rams and Fords are just as capable, if not more capable. My truck more than meets my needs, as should yours.
hmm, I think you spoke too generally. For RAM, the suspension does indeed vary between 2500 and 3500. The 2500 has a coil spring rear. The 3500 has a leaf spring rear. Also, the trannys are different. From many reviews, the 2500 rides the best of HD trucks; whereas the 3500 rides hard as expected. You are correct to say the Cummins in the 2500 has lower power, but not by too much - only 100 lbsft torque less. Your points about Ford are well taken, except you omit to say the Ford front end is twin beam, whereas the Ram/GM have independent. As you say, people need to assess their needs carefully.
The RAM has a solid axle, GM is independent. Ford has not had the twin I-Beam in years. It was not reliable and at times dangerous to drive.
Great information and explanation. I hope you're planning on addressing SRW vs. DRW in your next videos. I've learned a lot from your videos and would like to hear your take on this topic as well. Thanks for all the work you put into your videos.
S22ParaCop: i can do that
As much as I did enjoy your practical side of these choices, you failed to provide the most important thing to consider. Example, Ford Super Duty F-350 claims it has a max tow rating of 34K, according to DMV, unless you have a Class A license, you are not allowed to tow anything over 26,000. In choosing the proper towing vehicle greatly depends on the actual GVWR of your trailer, and the actual towing capabilities of the truck. I have the Class A non commercial license and drive an F-350 Super Duty Diesel with a tow package rating of 34K however I weigh in at the scales fully loaded at 23,300 so therefor I'm legal. Again, anything over 26,000 you must be properly licensed. Of course the trailer dealer or truck dealer won't tell you this. Do your homework folks.
You must be referring to the GCWR. You would be correct if you are talking about commercial towing which would require a Class A when your GCWR hits 26,001lbs. However, for recreational towing, such as an RV, or not towing for business then there are no such restrictions (check your local and state laws). Technically you could buy a 60,000lb Prevost Diesel Pusher and tow a 20,000lb trailer and not need a Class A in many states.
most states rv are exempt if not that cdl would be for the class A motor homes to whitch are grayhound buss
Also, I was wondering if you could put together a list of questions and things we need to look for when purchasing an RV. For example, what is the thickness of the walls? Thanks...and looking forward to any assistance you can provide. Happy Camping
1K+ views in a few hours your starting to take off. Congrats!
JDH: Thanks!
Looking at all of the little variations in the options that can affect overall towing and payload does make the F450 pickup a very simple direction to go, just pick the trim you want.
I think the advertised numbers on these trucks should be based on the most popular configurations (crew cab, 4wd) and heaviest trim, then maybe dealers would be less likely to rattle off big numbers that only apply if you look at a single cab 2wd. Look at Rams payloads on 2500s, the highest payload gets close to 4000 lbs with a single cab gas 2wd, but by the time you get to a 4wd crew cab short bed diesel the payload is down around 2300 lbs.
Matt Hillman nhh
I don't understand the hype for the fifth wheel prep package from Ford. It limit you so much on the number of hitch that you can fit , especially in the short bed trucks. I know that the standards rails do not leave the bed all flat but the thing is that I can buy any hitch and it will fit. Besides I never understood why people absolutely need a brand new hitch in a brand new truck. I pick up a hitch on local ads for 500$ CND that is worth more than 2500$. When you sell the truck , the next owner can chose any hitch
There will be a million opinions about diesel vs gas, chevy vs ram vs gmc vs ford (etc.), and so on. What really matters is, truck GVWR plus trailer GVWR must be less than truck GCWR. And none of the axles can be overloaded, so opt for the biggest axles you can get on both tow vehicle and trailer. Done. Nothing else matters except matters of personal preference. There is *never* too much truck.
It really depends on whats important regardless of bias. If you want to go fastest up the sterpest grade, ford has the 15% hp advantage. If you want efficiency, dodge wins. Look at the pullers in Indiana. No hard numbers, but you'll agree its close to 70%, 20%, 10% dodge, ford, chevy(being generous with chevy). Today, as an every now and then fifth wheel puller- F-150 3.5 twin turbo with the 7600gwwr is my 1st choice. $8k less, plenty of payliad for 16,000lb fifth wheel. I know, 3k over fords 3.73 gcwr, but the determining factor there is pull away torque at wheels, unless you're in SF, you don't need to worry about the strain of an uphill start at 20,000 total weight.
Great video with some fantastic information I’ve now made my mind up on which truck I need not a F250 but a F350 thank you so much…
Good info, but your assertion that the only real difference between a Ford F250 SRW and a F350 SRW is the rear springs/suspension WAS true up until 2016. Ford has made a few more changes to the 2017's and there is now a much bigger difference between these two models - as evidenced by the new 2017 Super Duty tow ratings. The 2016 F350 SRW was rated at about 15.5K for a 5th wheel while the new 2017 F350 SRW is rated at about 20.5K for a 5th wheel. Huge difference. That didn't come from just adding a leaf spring!
So what are the differences?
The rear axle on the f350 is beefed up as well dont know about chevy and dodge though
Bump to 3500 from a 2500 may also put you in a commercial category. Check your insurance, some like USAA do not insure a "commercial grade" pick up.
Frontage roads and Whataburger's. Welcome to TX!
I was wondering how you were going to get around the BRAND issue of this question. Good safe answers....
I bought a trailer 6800lb dry I didn't like the way my 2016 tundra pulled it.. so I moved up to a 2017 2500 hd Duramax 6.6 I love it now I'm looking for a bigger fifth wheel
JD, thanks for the great info videos. Love the nuts and bolts info. Looking at some of the 2019 F-350 6.7 PS vehicles online at different dealerships and have noticed fifth wheel towing limits of 12,100 and pin weight limits of 1,200. What options are missing on these trucks that are putting them in the towing capacity range of our 2016 F-250 6.2? Thanks.
Did you ever get that figured out? My neighbor has an F-350, and max payload is more than 1500 lb heavier than my F-250.
what about in your opinion the towing characteristics of the trucks for example long box versus short box or ford/dodge solid front axle versus GM independent front suspension? if those even make a noticeable difference.
I think the best towing truck is a 1 ton dually 8 foot bed or the basics. They all should have a towing kit installed, Ford, Dodge, GMC/Chevy or the makes.
if you open your dictionary to the word "Dodge" it states: To stay away from or avoid.
Dave And Purdy well I'd want to dodge a mean peice of machinery like that too 😉
It’s a good thing that dodge don’t own ram anymore. Ram is it’s own company. 😂
Another great video, keep up the great work.
Hello, does it help the rear end if you were to increase the size of the pumpkin? increasing the amount of fluid within the pumpkin. I have a Ram 2500 w/Turbo diesel looking to make upgrades for ride, safety and longevity of truck parts.
thanks for the videos! very helpful.
Just go with a finned differential cover. More fluid capacity and better cooling.
You mentioned you have a video rating trucks by rig weight - which one is that? I have a 36.5’, 14500lb GVWR 5th wheel and am in search of a truck to pull it (for under $30k.) would love your input on what best to look for. Thanks!
Thanks for the great info. My search is a little more complicated by being in the UK but definitely now looking at the Ram 3500 or the F350 dually. (The top versions of the 2 most commonly available brands this side of the pond) Likely to 'only' be towing around 12000 to 14000 lb but I can see your point. Thanks again.
Very informative video! Thanks very much!
what about bedrail/tailgate heights..the new ford f350 is higher, to tow level may be a challenge requiring specific fith wheel hitch? etc.
agreed. We badly need a video on this issue.
Agreed. It used to be that Ram trucks had substantially higher beds than Ford and Chevy. But the stock 2017 Ford is now two or three inches taller as well. Based upon the frequency of times I see fifth wheels oddly mounted behind Rams, it suggests that the hitch systems may not have sufficient adjustment to address the height difference (in which case the new Fords may have the same issue)
I have a tacoma but I want a truck to tow around a 5,000lb trailer. What truck do you recommend?
Umm. . . I thought the RAM rear suspension can differ, GREATLY, though. Coils, leafs, air suspension are all possibilities depending on 2500 vs. 3500. Am I wrong?
Luke Edward: Correct... clarifying all the RAM options would take an entire video.
Big Truck Big RV Yeah. I went through the arduous task of the RamTrucks configurator online to verify it, minutes ago. But, could be a study in (old) leafs vs. (new) coils in a comparable SRW situations. But, I defer my lay opinion to better suited testers.
All current RAM SRW trucks are coil springs. All DRW trucks are leaf springs. The published 2017 RAM towing guides do not show any increase in either payload or tow rating for the air suspension upgrade.
***** I actually have the RAM trucks website with configured 2017 RAM 3500, SRW, Tradesman, Crew Cab, 8' bed, 4wd Cummins auto, which I did earlier in the comment, open still on the website, and it specifies rear leafs.
Although, I'm only going by what the Build & Price configurator is giving me.
+Todd Stewart
Sorry. Tried to take picture. THEN tried to copy link. Here's the best I can come up with.
Although listed as "Standard items," it's still listed as a SRW option.
www.ramtrucks.com/hostc/bmo/CUT201715D28L92A/2TA/configurator.do#/summary
Technical question. I just bought my first 5th wheel. To get four and a half to five inches of clearance over the back corner of the bed when hitched the trailer runs nose high/tail low. I'm concerned about weight distribution on the axles (2), and it makes for a lot of jacking on the landing gear to level/rehook. What are your thoughts on an axle flipping? I am capable of doing this myself for nominal cost. I could then raise my hitch one notch and gain some over bedrail clearance. I pull a 32' Prowler with an '05 F-350 Crew Cab long bed 4x4 PS at stock ride height. I live in North East PA, were we don't frequently experience high. cross winds but I do run a lot of "secondary" roads as apposed to interstate.
Mark Smith: alot of folks axle flip to get a slight increase in height for lifted trucks. The problem is that it throws off the geometry of the leaf springs and equalizer. I've not heard of any failures by doing this, but if you were to do this I would suggest beefing up your RV suspension and even adding some welds to reinforce areas, such as the leaf spring hangers, that might be under additional stress.
Big Truck Big RV So having the trailer ride with a "rake" doesn't negatively effect weight distribution on the trailer axles? Seems to me all trailer spring hangers are on the flimsy side and adding some gussets would be simple while I have the welder out. Thanks.
Mark Smith: I wouldn't suggest having the trailer raked. I'd adjust the hitch to compensate so the trailer sits as level as possible.
Hey, I really enjoy your videos. I will be buying a 40' fifth wheel and was wondering do I really need a dually. We will be full timers and everyone tells me about the safety factor having the extra wheel can have but they are so much wider and you have the extra exspense and hastle of 50% more tires. Thats not a big deal when pulling but when you're not pulling it will be harder to fit into the ever shrinking parking spots at stores and forget about drive through banking or restaurants. I'd like get away with a 1 ton single axle if I can but at the same time don't want to be unsafe. what are your thoughts? What advise might you have? Thanks for the videos, I enjoy hearing what you have to say.
Moses
Ford F-450 6.7 powerstroke. Best pulling truck on earth. No discussion.
F350-550 are nice truck. Ram 3500 and GM 3500s are too. If I wanted to pull longest camper like 40-48 fifth wheel. I would have f650 or 750 or international or freightliner FL50-70. It is easier to pull any terrains. It would prevented overheat the transmission. I drove my Suburban lifted and no trailer pulled and going approximate 20 miles long up the mountain. It would not pull my Suburban up to speed. Acting like 18 wheeler.
I forget to mention that I was formerly service technician. It is my opinion for trucks to pull the trailers. I rather to have 1/3 of dry trailer weight with truck maximum gross weight. Can load to 2/3 and leave 1/3 space to reduces the breakdown on trucks. That's why I would go to med-duty trucks for longest fifth wheel camper or cargo trailers. Hope to helps. Other thing, maintenance the trucks, it will keep truck running better. Think about the terrains where you are driving to, be careful about that and might have to short maintenance schedules to prevent the breakdown.
Although this is a "Part 1" the recommendation can be very misleading. 3/4 and 1 tons can pull a fifth wheel motor-wise but fifth wheel pin weights determine the legality and safety of towing fifth wheel. GCWR, GAWR and payload come into play on determining whether the truck will legal and safe on the road. I pull a 40ft fiver with a F350 with the max tow package and my combined weight plus payload are way to close to maximums to say I'm safe. Does my truck tow and stop my fiver.... yes but I'm uncomfortably close to being illegal.
Hey! We’re getting a mobile suite 39 DBR and I was wondering if you would suggest a 350 drw or a 450 drw. GVWR is 21500 on the trailer
+GibAdam: I will only suggest an F450 sorry because if the significantly better turning radius. Helps manoeuvre the RV much better
Big Truck Big RV Thank you! My dad wanted the 450 anyway😂😂
Thanks for the video, could you explain why a truck can pull more as a gooseneck compared to a fifthwheel ? Cheers
Any idea why the 2017 GMC 3500 diesel dually is rated to (5th wheel) tow about 9000 lbs less than the comparable Ram or Ford model when they all have approximately 400+ horse power and 900+ lb/ft torque? Seems like a huge disparity between otherwise similar trucks!
ie., GMC: 23,300 lbs, Ram 31,200, and Ford 31,900.
(Ford"s specifications have a footnote that their 5th wheel hitch is limited to 27,500 though with a gooseneck you can go up to 31,900 lbs.)
www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/2017/models/f350-xl/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIw9HLqJHp1AIVD5t-Ch0H0g0IEAAYASAAEgKG_PD_BwE&searchid=217072834|13434001594|11949965359&s_kwcid=AL!2519!3!61609475914!e!!!!f350%20towing%20capacity&ef_id=VyMiKQAABU9XT9DK:20170701223040:s
www.ramtrucks.com/ram-3500/capability.html
www.gmc.com/trailering-towing.html
Thanks!
2017 & newer F350 SRW has Dana M275 rear axle 10.8" ring gear, F250 still sports Sterling 10.5" axle
Your are dead wrong about 350s ride not being harsher.
ok im a complete newbie at what type of truck i need as i don't know the math ? for a fifth wheel truck i need to tow this trailer. where working on a limited budget , but want to make sure we don't jack knife or damage trailer or truck or someone else , where going to be snow birds that travel 1 or 2 time a yrs going from the east coast to the west coast. Our fifth wheel trailer is a Forest River Cedar Creek 36CK2 with Slides 3, Hitch Weight 2525 lbs, Ship Weight 13075 lbs, GVWR 16525 lbs, Length 40' 7", Height 13' 0", Width 8' 0,". Can we use a single Axel truck ? Can we use a ford f250 super duty, Any information you can provide me would be greatly appreciated
I would like to see you do one on a 1/2 ton... for a smaller.. 30" ish 5th wheel....
I wonder about insurance difference between 3/4 & 1 ton
Looking at slide in truck campers I realized Im gonna want a dually!
TShull: wise decision my friend
oh yeah. My friend puts his on a half ton and needs bags. He's overloading the truck but saleman says it's fine !
TShull I use a 2012 Chevy 3500 dually with the duramax diesel to haul my Lance 995 truck camper. I weighed the truck with full fuel and no camper and it was 8500 pounds. Weighed it again with the camper fully loaded with water and beer, and the whole package came in at 13,040 pounds. With the 4500 pound camper, I am still more than 2000 pounds under my total cargo capacity rating. I do have airbags as well. I am super happy with this setup.
Hey Big Truck RV. Have you had a chance to investigate the 7way plug issue I mentioned in a previous video on the 2017 F350?
stevetami1: I actually asked a Ford tech but never followed up to see what the answer was. I'll give him a call later. Thank!
Big Truck Big RV great. Can't wait to hear. Hopefully you find out some good news..
Big Truck Big RV Good review a lot of good stuff in this video. I would like to see you do the same for the half tons as most people don't know that for Chevy especially you can't get a fully loaded truck in a max towing configuration main reason I went diesel.
excellent video, pleasure to watch
Is that dump truck at 4:49 a chevy
Very good video. I learn this the hard way. Do to I can't go bigger than 31 feet due to parking at my house i am well set with my truck at hand.
So my question is can the RV dealership help you get the correct Truck prior to ordering or buying the RV.
18 dodge 3500.. none dully.. can i put a lift and still tow a 5th wheel.. what's the highest lift can I get away with. Is 6 inch too much??
Transmission quality? Between brands..... ? Durability? Let’s say a lot of traveling with a lot of grades to cross? I was led to believe the Allison (am I misunderstanding? Would that be an Aisin? transmission the GM product was top notch... “BUT” Price of GMC trucks is the price that I bought my house.... ouch....
It seems the f250 with " camper/snowplow prep" is exactly the same as f 350 in diesel. In gas, the f250 has a different trans. not sure what exactly is the difference. " torque shift-G" vs " Torque shift
FalvyPollard: The G Torqueshift has a higher first gear ratios for better acceleration and also downshifts faster as well as engine speed matching. This enables better loaded stopping and. Better unloaded acceleration
interesting. what's the trade off?
FalvyPollard, the trade off is less towing power with the 6.2L gas but the payload capacity is around 1000 lbs more, due to a lighter engine, no turbo, no intercooler and tubing associated with having a turbo charged motor. I factory ordered my 2017 F250 King Ranch with the 6.2L gas engine about 3 weeks ago. I specifically wanted the gas motor because of the type of driving I do, rarely towing anything, but needing the higher payload capacity.
Would you recommend a 4x4 or two wheel drive. Looking to get a 3500 RAM for pulling our 5th wheel. We plan on doing some boondocking.
chevy silverado with a duramax diesel is the best imho, mine rocks
FAIL!
I’m curious about the camper package. Can you share your reasoning.
Never mind. I had stopped the video to ask the question and when continuing had my question answered. Thank again.
I have a 2011 f250, I’m looking at buying a 44ft toy hauler, weighs 16000lbs, what’s your thoughts?
Got a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins. Looked at a few towing guides and they state my specific truck can tow 17k pounds and a GCVWR of 25k. That should allow me to tow a pretty decent sized fifth wheel trailer as most of them are under 17k pounds right?
Was a follow-up of part 2 video ever made?
Will a 2020 ram 2500 6.4 hemi tow a 2020 cougar 364BHL?
What is the longest length fifth wheel I can pull with a one ton?
Can you do a video on flat bed vs a normal bed