I am a young brown immigrant woman and my “baggage” in this country looks different from a lot of other people. The more I learn about the history of this country, the more sad and angry I feel, the more grateful I feel for all those who fought for civil rights, and the more determined I feel to do my part and fight for what’s right. There’s no winning here until everyone gets their rights, and feels safe in this world.
I nearly passed this video by because I at first interpreted it as a slick, well-made attack on feminism and the upholding of the trad-wife trend currently being pushed by Christian nationalists. The well-meaning, reasonable, and civil tone, with an academic polish, is something I have seen used many times to draw people in before springing the trap. But because I didn't hear any typical and much-used catchphrases or veiled innuendos, I decided to let it play out further before making that decision, and boy, am I glad I did. I'm 70 years old; I grew up in a mixed-race family when, in 1960, my stepfather, a brilliant black artist, dated then married my very white mother, also an artist. Growing up in an all-white suburb in the far eastern part of the San Francisco Bay Area gave me a unique view of two worlds and points of view that came together under one roof. My stepfather and I bonded deeply because of his unconditional love and our kindred spirits. From him, I learned about the civil rights movement, Malcolm X, apartheid, racism, and even the women's rights movement and the NOW organization, even though I was a young teenager in the late 60s at the time. I did not learn these things from my mother but from my stepfather. Yet, most of what Amy McPhie Allebest talks about, I remember taking place quite vividly in the everyday interactions in my home between those living there and those who also visited from my extended family. Specific facts about the position paper and who wrote it do not surprise me, although it saddens me greatly. It is something that I run into to this day with very liberal and very earnest white feminist women and men. That is, the assumption that what is true for you is true for everybody regardless of life experience and circumstances. This often unrecognized bias leads many well-intentioned white liberals down the road of condescension and the negating of other legitimate life experiences and points of view. I thought Ms. Allebest both illustrated and explained this phenomenon extraordinarily well, and there were things that I learned from this video that explain questions I have had for a very long time as to why, how, and what happened to cause this painful schism. I cannot thank her enough, and I will continue to watch her videos to learn more and pass them on where and when I can. ❤
Yeah, I came to San Francisco in 1969 as a 7mo old I fant. And I do remember the hippies, the Panthers, the Nation, The People's Temple, and many civil rights milestones. I was the 1st generation to grow up in that environment generally free from overt racism.
Intersectionality DESTROYED advancement for African Americans! It’s THE reason why black history can’t be taught without feminism (as apposed to womanism) & LGBTQ overshadowing it. IT NEEDS TO STOP!
This is common sense. So if a large section and percentage of w females, some POC females aren't recognizing that, it is about everything but real feminism.,womanism etc A mistake is one time, anything after that isn't a mistake but a choice. Racism,misogny,sexism are tied together All cultures of women better get their head out of their as s because at this point in history, EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I Respect the real w women and POC color who are truly our allies .
@@ridge7524I hear you, but you Still have to look at the root cause; Oppression by way of Tortuous WS with the help of the WSs extremely edited versions of Christianity/Catholicism and etc. ~Respect
@tm1464 True. We know who to leave behind and most will have to be for not understanding how dire this situation is for creating it in the first place. To the ones that truly understand, it starts there and it has to be something embedded in the heart for it to succeed. No excuses. Respect back to you🥂💐
In fact, the feminist and social rights movements which failed or only partially succeeded prior to the 60s failed because they were not sufficiently intertwined... any time we do not understand that we must be together, our ability to accomplish goals falls apart.
No, they failed because Feminists do what they always do. Wait for "those people" (which were mostly by far Black Men) to do the actual work only to later come in and hijack the movement(s) for themselves. You have done with most recently with Intersectionality, BLM, and MeeToo.
I'm a 65 yr old half Asian half white guy who grew up in Charlotte NC in the 60s . In 67 I was 7. I was on the 1st desegregation buses. I've made my living as a professional jazz pianist most of my life. It's all close to me. Every single woman I've lived with has been feminist. In my life it's always been about liberation politically culturally and spiritually.
The Baha'i Faith teaches that all forms of prejudice must be eliminated; that includes racism, gender inequality and the Faith says that mankind is one family and the whole earth is one home.
Facts you need to know : any people who live in the back and beyond , have to take justice into their own hands, so back in them thar days , if have this big mean nasty bully who is causing everyone trouble and no police anywhere near, what did they have to do to these maniacs?? white or black , got some bad men, both would get rid of them , hanging or shooting ( but never waste a bullet ) so mr ebony , black communities had to keep the peace anyway they could and black people did get rid of them , really what choice did they have , so lets so easy on both our ancestors having to deal with the good for nothings!! So get a reality check and there are books written etc. really black racist hate is going to be the ruin of you , why? MLK WAS A COMMUNIST AND HE RUINED THE BLACK FAMILY , WHO YOU REALLY NEED TO READ AND WATCH ,AS I WAS THERE AND SAW HIM AND DID NOT CARE IF HE WAS IN THE BLACK ISLAMIST MOVEMENT , ISIASH , THE LEADER WANTED MALCOLM TO FOLLOW HIM AS THE LEADER MALCOLM WAS A THINKER AND HE WAS SO FURIOUS WITH MLK, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE , YOU COMMUNIST PIG, BLACK ISLAM IS ARE NOT COMMUNISTS ! SO MLK SOLD YOU DOWN THE RIVER AND MALCOLM WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ?? BLACKS HAD BUSINESSES , FAMILIES WERE IN GOOD SHAPE( HAVE YOU READ DR. THOMAS SOWELL , AS HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND YOU NEED SOME EDUCATIN!!! ) , SO BLACKS WERE DOING GREAT AND SO WERE WHITES , BOTH HAD BUSINESSES AND BOTH RESPECTED THE OTHER !! THEY HAD RESPECT FOR EACH OHTER UNTIL: MLK AND YOU WENT BACK ON THE PLANTATION AND BECAME WHITES ARE OUR NANIES AND WE ALWAYS NEED HELP, YOU DID AFTER YOU TOOK WELFARE , COMMIES , NO MEN IN HOME WAS THE MLK #1 CONDITION NO MEN /FATHERS IN THE HOME AND MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, 70% OF BLACK WOMEN ON WELFARE AND 70% OF BLACK MEN COMMITT 50% OF ALL CRIMES !! SO YOU GOT WHAT?? YOU GOT WELFARE OR DO THIS AND THE WOMEN GET THIS , AND YOU DID IT AND NOW MAY I ASSURE YOU, 76% OF THE POPULATION IS NOT BLACK , YOU ARE 13% AND LOOK AT THE STATS I JUST WROTE !!!! SO EBONY , YOU ON THE WELFARE PLANTATION ??? SOON , NO MORE OF YOUR FREE??? 30% OF BLACKS ARE GOOD, DECENT , HARD WORKING , KIND, GREAT PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE STAINED THEM WITH YOUR HATE AND BTW: 1 OUT OF 5O BLACKS IN USA ARE MILLIONAIERS, SURPIRISE, MUST BE THOSE HOUSE WORKERS , GET IT??? SEE GET OFF THE PLANTATION BY DR THOMAS SOWELL , OUR GREATEST BLACK THINKER AND YOU MAKE YOUR ANCESTORS WEEP !! THEY WEEP !!
@@GgOlb-b7iWE'RE NOT TALKING METAPHORICALLY LADY, WE'RE TALKING A YOUNG BLACK MAN WAS HUNG IN A TREE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO....STOP TRYING TO MINIMALIZE MY NEPHEW'S MURKER PLS..😢
I think really critical also, is the way you tell the story. Your judgements are easily understood as you do it with compassion and an eye for all. What a model for allyship, and humanity. Thank you!
I could not really help asking myself if the latest events in history did not tell us that the black women at SNCC did what we always do best: putting the greater need above our own - with disastrous results?
Yeah, let's forget about all those Black Men who did all the heavy lifting, bled and died for the Civil Rights movement. LOL...Feminists never fail at being self centered, perpetual navel gazers.
@@nzingahoney Oh...I dunno...maybe it was more man-centered because WW were attacking BM ? It's interesting how BW these days are more likely to disparage BM than WW are these days but then want to cry that BM aren't protecting BW.
@thecollector6746 if BM are abusing and killing BW at a higher rate than ever before then that's just facts, not disparagement. And it's a fact BM should make sure they not part of by ensuring they DO protect BW when they can, online or offline. Apart from that I am thinking about the election and how some BM voted against reproductive rights for women. I mean if they could think anything could justify that, why should BW have been standing up for them in BLM marches and other things that defend BM?
As a multi-ethnic person, I want to thank you personally for doing what I can tell was your absolute best to cover the facts and feelings of all sides involved. My nature of having basically all parts of the American “races” means I’m in constant internal conflict by nature. I have to watch a lot of content that doesn’t consider the cultural significance of one of my ancestors. I appreciate you for the “bigger pictureism” you displayed by attempting to be as impartial as possible.
In this election 2024 the intersectionality was on the ballot. White women voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. FACT! Please don't get it twisted. 🙄🤬
New sub, and thank you for sharing this! I have read about Alice Walker's time in the movement, and I think that she understood what was happening better than most of the so-called leaders who thought that lines could be drawn in the sand that would stand up to any test.
Thank you for sharing your research and for the encouragement at the beginning to engage with this story. I didn’t expect to get to the end but then I did and could have kept going. Will check out the books and history more too. Love your takeaways. My first response was that inclusion could have helped the manifesto. I loved your insights about how backgrounds and experiences are so influential to our response to injustice. And it’s definitely something to be curious about in our interactions with other humans ❤
Thank you so much for clarifying the facts around Stokley Carmichael’s old oft- repeated remark. It puts it-and him-in an entirely new light. I’m so glad you did that deep dive on the civil rights movement and the women who did the heavy lifting there. Hopefully we can once again join together as sisters to work for change that benefits all❤❤❤
No, Women never did the heavy lifting. That's a lie. Women weren't the ones being sprayed by water hoes, and having dogs set on them. Black Women weren't the ones who were going out in armed neighborhood patrols and getting into literal fire fights with The Klan. Black Women ere not the ones being murdered. Black Men were doing THE REAL WORK, but of course "we" can never, ever admit that.
This is excellent work, thank you. This history is reminiscent of the struggle within the American Equal Rights Association, which advocated for the recognition of civil rights for both women and African-Americans between 1866 and 1869. In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War and the abolition of chattel enslavement, Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass, with years of difficult activism between them, sought to gain voting rights for both women and newly emancipated formerly enslaved people. The organization lasted only three years before crumbling from internal stress fractures. If brilliant, creative, experienced activists like Anthony and Douglass were unable to thread a path through competing participant histories and priority management, I don't know that anyone could figure it out. That's not a reason not to try, of course.
Excellent! The only additions I would suggest are Ida B. Wells Barnett and Pauli Murray in importance and the arc of history. Your video also enlightens me on the voices of Sweet Honey in the Rock. Songs are important in the movement.
Very informative video. Tho sadly not surprising info. From what I can tell, black ppl will support vast movements against injustice, but then don’t get the same support back. Which has led to more fractures, especially in the black communities. Good advice ya gave at the end tho.
So beautifully done. Yes yes and yes. I can hear echoes of Gerda and here as well saying until women realize that all been impressed and work together to end that oppression we cannot undo or dismantle or breakdown patriarchy. Just keep thinking that all the isms have to be unitedto understand one another in order to dismantle this. I will work until my last breath on this on my end.
I was a kid when all this happened but coming from a Black Baptist background I can see why this happened and why Shirley Chisom had such a hard time with the Women Movement!😊
I feel this is a meaningful and much needed conversation; the topic has been on my mind for a while. I appreciate the care and consideration. How do we heal and move forward? By the way, "The Creation of Patriarchy" by Gerda Lerner is amazing. You may have already read it. Thank you! Peace and love to and for ALL sentient beings!
*The Civil Rights Movement and the Feminist Movement was not the same nor was it on the same Accord* The Feminist Movement was racially divided. Black American Women fought for racial equality which was intersectioned with Black American Women Equality White Women did not fight for the betterment of Black American Women but those white women fought for racial equality for Blacks
One thing that worries me about the "womanism" definition is that it ignores that black men are often the oppressors of black women. You can't separate them from the violence black women face. Having a movement that's meant to ignore this on the basis of not being man-haters is a movement doomed to fail, and given that nobody talks about womanism now, that's exactly what happened. I mean, it seems like the start of this whole divide started with the insensitive words of a black man...
Absolutely. White women are in tough spot though bc they look racist when they talk about it. If blk women don't care about their own victimization, how can white women speak louder for them.
Today we shouldn't ignore it for sure. But, we need to have understanding and grace for those blk women back then. You really need to put yourself in that time period and realize blk women didn't really have the luxury to fully call out those men. Use your common sense. Seriously think about it. So, they have no male protection besides blk men. They're fighting white supremacy and you think it was gonna be so flawless to also fight blk men misogyny and have all that work out neatly and perfectly for all involved. Lol. 🤦🏾♀️ You're thinking too delusionally..and not stepping into that time... You're thinking about it likes it's 2024. The risk was too great to do all these battles at the same time. Black women had no power and safety to call out white men and blk men at the same time. You're kinda delusional. We need to look back at this as a sad predicament for them.
I appreciate your opinion; however, I feel the definition of "womanism" has been misunderstood. It doesn't ignore that many so-called Black men are also oppressors of many so-called Black women or excuse the oppressive behavior. ( I use the term "so-called" because race is a social construct, an illusion). The definition speaks of "not attacking Black men." In my opinion, one can hold someone accountable without attacking them. It's not mentioned in this video, but in my opinion, the divide began even before the Civil Rights Movement. For example, the Suffragette movement.
Thank you so much for making this video. I grew up in the late 60s in a northern, rural part of America that was mostly white, though my best friend in high school was one of two black students. I was all in for Kamala and was incredibly moved by her phenomenal run for office…. And like so many was deeply grief-stricken when the outcome was not what we expected. But I could not understand the backlash from black women and their anger towards white women (yes, I understand the voting demographics) but the anger by black women towards white women seemed very deep yet I did not understand it. Your video fills in so many gaps in my understanding. THANK YOU! I hope women and men of all skin types and cultural backgrounds can find solidarity in opposing patriarchy and misogyny. 💖
You seemed to have a beautiful upbringing. I believe Americans would have voted for a black qualified woman of color. I’m black these conversations I was having with my mom, aunties and cousins. These conversations will never be heard. If I went to my own black community publicly it was a different conversation. We all knew she was not the best we have. Socially the news reports what they think. Please understand there are secret conversations blacks are not ever comfortable telling others about. If you want to know the truth it’s not what is shared publicly.
This was a helpful video for me (as a Dane) to understand the context behind so many arguments I've seen played out in American culture, and which seem incomprehensible to me at the time. I wonder how much of what Amy says can relate to the sexism/racism debate in Denmark also 🤔
This kind of situation not limited to mixed race groups working on black issues. Disagreement about the roles and treatment of women in "The movement" came up in activist groups of all kinds for decades. Definitely up to the 1990s, and probably beyond, and up to the current day.
10:05 This might be a little out of your wheelhouse (or not), but I've noticed that WOC seem to have more liberal and, well, healthy attitudes towards sex and sexuality than white women. What you say here makes me wonder if the myth of (white) women being pure and sexless might be not just racist, but rooted in racism. As in, was the myth created specifically to distance white women from black women? And if the Atlantic Slave Trade had never happened, would we all be having better sex lives today? Also thanks, this was really informative and interesting! I hope your channel reaches lots and lots of people. 🙂
@@bnwo 10:05: "According to the thinking at the time, white women were pure and innocent and child-like and needed protection. From Black men, whom white men saw as predators." So no, the stereotype already existed, and the violence against Black men was a consequence. In fact, the prevailing view in progressive circles around the turn of the 20th century was that women didn't experience sexual pleasure or sexual desire at all. There's a utopian novel by famous American feminist Charlotte Perkins Gilman called Herland which depicts an all-female society where there's no sex at all. Even after some male explorers discover Herland and the women start having sex, it's purely for the sake of children, and they don't experience sexual pleasure at all. Only later and in a different context did I discover that when the doctors at the time said that women don't experience sexual desire, they meant "proper" women, i.e. white women. I watched the video a second time and I think Dr Allebest does address it obliquely at the end, when she points out that white wives of slave-owning men were implicitly endorsing the oppression of (Black) women by participating in slavery. So I think that they might have needed some rationalization that stopped them from identifying with the Black women. But I've never heard anyone address this directly. (Sorry for the wordy response. I just don't know how to write concisely.)
Nice presentation. But what if i told you that Stanford still mistaught you? The issue is about entitlement. This country reembraced entitlement during Lincoln's term. This fact seems to be going unacknowledged. In fact the master-slave equation was not been eradicated. it was merely shifted. The American citizen was to be guaranteed to their right to life, liberty and pursuits of happiness. To attain that the government could not have the right of entitlement which started small and relatively inconsequential. In fact it was legal, as a stop gap measure in the event of war. And despite Americans trying to return the country back to the original intent in the late 1890's the Supreme Court dictated otherwise. Since that time it appears the American citizen has attained more freedom, but that isn't whole truth. The civil rights movement should demonstrate one thing. That after 100 years of black men being told they were free, it merely a false claim and an illusion. Once someone or something is able to claim entitlement to what one has. with enough time, they will lay claim to everything you have, including you freedom of conscience.
The white women seemed to only care bc they were being affected. Although they might have been well intentioned, they probably were over stepping a little bit. It was a very complicated situation. Its not that the black women didn't care... they indeed had their own battles with those blk men. It's the fact that all this would've just hurt movement and the greater goal. It would've been very difficult telling the country these men were sexist and needed white people's help at the same time. You can't do all that at the same time. But, dont assume blk women just happily accepted blk men's misogyny. Bc they absolutely did not. You're talking about women that still hold social power coming in trying to police things. It's just too complicated. They did the right thing to talk to them and encourage them to stand up for themselves. Sometimes you have to fight one battle at a time.. and that's what blk women were doing. Do you know the implications of calling blk men misogynistic at the time. It would not have been helpful at all to the cause...it would've given white people more excuses for their racism. Now, that's common sense. Even today, blk women are unfortunately protective of blk men bc of race loyalty and racism. Today, i disagree with this type of silence. It's not helpful for us today.
Great and informative video! I am just curious if you include transgender women - either pre-operative or post-operative or both or neither in your group of "all women"? Again thank you so very much for posting this very informative video! ❤
Let me say the good part first. I am extremely appreciative of your knowledgeable, scholarly approach to this topic. I appreciate the logical way you've organized what you've presented. What I don't appreciate is the tone deafness that I hear as a white woman. If these white women made an error at all, it was that they didn't understand that their experience of sexism and oppression was going to be inherently different from that of black women. All throughout this, you find fault with the white women. That's always what happens isn't it? You say that they should have had a black woman write it with them so that they could get the tone and the timing right. Other words we should have infantilized ourselves, it's not enough that white men do it. But when we hear black women today speak about this topic, we hear them arguing that white women let them do all the work, and then excluded them from the conversation when black women wanted racial issues to be part of the women's liberation platform. From just what you've described, that is not an accurate perspective. Black women didn't do all the work, and white women, it seems, were the first ones to try to incorporate gender issues with the racial battle, notwithstanding, going back to the suffragette movement. The way that you're presenting it, this is once again making white women the scapegoat for everything. We are the source of black peoples problems and we are the source of Whitemans problems, and we are forced time and time again to accommodate and place above ourselves everybody else's grievance. Today, November 2024, we stand having had a black met as president for two terms, and a black woman as vice president for one term, and a white woman, white women, who are supposed to have some inherent white advantage, never having been in either position. It is time to white women wake up to our own struggle and our own history; when and if our black sisters are ready to join us, that's fine. But no, we're not going to water down our struggle with putting someone else ahead of us anymore. People, pleasing, over accommodating, legacy of codependency, that is the struggle of the white woman. It comes from millennia of having to please men for our survival, and so that they will not beat us, or rape us, and so that we can better or fortunes by being married to the more affluent men, and so that we don't have our children taken from us, and we're not locked in mental institutions against our will.
@ I have no idea what that reference means. I've heard the name Karen used to stigmatize any white woman who speaks up for herself. Carolyn, I'm not familiar with. No need to explain.
I think this is a fair criticism. As a black woman, I'm often frustrated that white women are used as scapegoats. Nowadays when left leaning people want to be misogynistic they just say "white women" as an excuse. It's tiring. I can see why you'd want to go your own way on this. Personally I'm of the opinion that the racial stuff, although important to understand and consider, has been used as a wedge to keep women from effectively uniting. Before we're white, black, asian, hispanic, etc... we're all women, and that's what will impact us the most.
@@MegaGraceiscool so now black women are accusing black women of being reverse racists because black women have critiqued the race of women who started the oppression Olympics during the CRM when they said they were there to white savior the black people! If Rob Smith, Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott and Byron Daniels had a sister, your face would be in the family album. You cannot be the W.E.B. DuBois that will create the intersectional movement that white women, and apparently some black women, keep pretending white women are now having. Instead, you would sell out your own black sisters, non-white sisters and working-class sisters just to sit at the table with your white sisters.
Dear white women, @NEbluefire is the epitome of the expression "white feminism" ideology characteristic of first- and second-wave feminist movements and permeates fourth-wave feminism that purports to be intersectional in its ideology. Dear black women, if you put Daisy Bates in her white woman hall of fame, I will haunt you, your progeny and your progeny's progeny.
I understand what you are saying but you need to look at this through black women’s eyes. They were prioritizing the threat. The greater threat was the literal killing of black people (primarily black men). Black women understood sexism existed with SNCC but that was not the priority. They white women wrote this manifesto about a black organization without asking for the black women’s input. This put the black women in a situation on deciding with the white women or the black men. If they were invited to the conversation it might have been a joint women’s movement within SNCC. Or the black women could explain why they are prioritizing the racial issue or the sexism issue. At least it would have been discussed among the women first.😊
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I am a young brown immigrant woman and my “baggage” in this country looks different from a lot of other people. The more I learn about the history of this country, the more sad and angry I feel, the more grateful I feel for all those who fought for civil rights, and the more determined I feel to do my part and fight for what’s right. There’s no winning here until everyone gets their rights, and feels safe in this world.
I nearly passed this video by because I at first interpreted it as a slick, well-made attack on feminism and the upholding of the trad-wife trend currently being pushed by Christian nationalists. The well-meaning, reasonable, and civil tone, with an academic polish, is something I have seen used many times to draw people in before springing the trap. But because I didn't hear any typical and much-used catchphrases or veiled innuendos, I decided to let it play out further before making that decision, and boy, am I glad I did.
I'm 70 years old; I grew up in a mixed-race family when, in 1960, my stepfather, a brilliant black artist, dated then married my very white mother, also an artist. Growing up in an all-white suburb in the far eastern part of the San Francisco Bay Area gave me a unique view of two worlds and points of view that came together under one roof. My stepfather and I bonded deeply because of his unconditional love and our kindred spirits. From him, I learned about the civil rights movement, Malcolm X, apartheid, racism, and even the women's rights movement and the NOW organization, even though I was a young teenager in the late 60s at the time. I did not learn these things from my mother but from my stepfather. Yet, most of what Amy McPhie Allebest talks about, I remember taking place quite vividly in the everyday interactions in my home between those living there and those who also visited from my extended family.
Specific facts about the position paper and who wrote it do not surprise me, although it saddens me greatly. It is something that I run into to this day with very liberal and very earnest white feminist women and men. That is, the assumption that what is true for you is true for everybody regardless of life experience and circumstances. This often unrecognized bias leads many well-intentioned white liberals down the road of condescension and the negating of other legitimate life experiences and points of view. I thought Ms. Allebest both illustrated and explained this phenomenon extraordinarily well, and there were things that I learned from this video that explain questions I have had for a very long time as to why, how, and what happened to cause this painful schism. I cannot thank her enough, and I will continue to watch her videos to learn more and pass them on where and when I can. ❤
Yeah, I came to San Francisco in 1969 as a 7mo old I fant. And I do remember the hippies, the Panthers, the Nation, The People's Temple, and many civil rights milestones. I was the 1st generation to grow up in that environment generally free from overt racism.
Well done.
10:10 The actual predator, who had their way with black women for centuries, still call black people the predator. Gaslighting at its most heinous.
Yes, Ella Baker was an important person in the Civil Rights movement. Her contribution has been overlooked.
Intersectionality is such an important factor in feminism, thank you so much for handling this story with nuance
Intersectionality DESTROYED advancement for African Americans! It’s THE reason why black history can’t be taught without feminism (as apposed to womanism) & LGBTQ overshadowing it. IT NEEDS TO STOP!
This is common sense. So if a large section and percentage of w females, some POC females aren't recognizing that, it is about everything but real feminism.,womanism etc
A mistake is one time, anything after that isn't a mistake but a choice. Racism,misogny,sexism are tied together
All cultures of women better get their head out of their as s because at this point in history, EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
I Respect the real w women and POC color who are truly our allies .
@@ridge7524I hear you, but you Still have to look at the root cause; Oppression by way of Tortuous WS with the help of the WSs extremely edited versions of Christianity/Catholicism and etc. ~Respect
@tm1464 True. We know who to leave behind and most will have to be for not understanding how dire this situation is for creating it in the first place. To the ones that truly understand, it starts there and it has to be something embedded in the heart for it to succeed. No excuses.
Respect back to you🥂💐
@@ridge7524AMEN!
In fact, the feminist and social rights movements which failed or only partially succeeded prior to the 60s failed because they were not sufficiently intertwined... any time we do not understand that we must be together, our ability to accomplish goals falls apart.
No, they failed because Feminists do what they always do. Wait for "those people" (which were mostly by far Black Men) to do the actual work only to later come in and hijack the movement(s) for themselves. You have done with most recently with Intersectionality, BLM, and MeeToo.
As with any movement, “United we stand, divided we fall.”
I'm a white older male and I find this educational, full of lessons and wisdom.
I'm not white and I don't care what the narrator has to say on race relations
I'm a 65 yr old half Asian half white guy who grew up in Charlotte NC in the 60s . In 67 I was 7. I was on the 1st desegregation buses. I've made my living as a professional jazz pianist most of my life. It's all close to me. Every single woman I've lived with has been feminist. In my life it's always been about liberation politically culturally and spiritually.
@@paxwallace8324 wonderful!
@blackestknightx8881 then why are you here?
Continue your educated rebuttal of patriarchy. I am cheering for you 🎉😊
The Baha'i Faith teaches that all forms of prejudice must be eliminated; that includes racism, gender inequality and the Faith says that mankind is one family and the whole earth is one home.
LYNCHING NEVER ENDED!!!..... ❤️Ebony Family Be Careful and Be Safe❤️
Facts. 💯
Facts you need to know : any people who live in the back and beyond , have to take justice into their own hands, so back in them thar days , if have this big mean nasty bully who is causing everyone trouble and no police anywhere near, what did they have to do to these maniacs?? white or black , got some bad men, both would get rid of them , hanging or shooting ( but never waste a bullet ) so mr ebony , black communities had to keep the peace anyway they could and black people did get rid of them , really what choice did they have , so lets so easy on both our ancestors having to deal with the good for nothings!! So get a reality check and there are books written etc. really black racist hate is going to be the ruin of you , why? MLK WAS A COMMUNIST AND HE RUINED THE BLACK FAMILY , WHO YOU REALLY NEED TO READ AND WATCH ,AS I WAS THERE AND SAW HIM AND DID NOT CARE IF HE WAS IN THE BLACK ISLAMIST MOVEMENT , ISIASH , THE LEADER WANTED MALCOLM TO FOLLOW HIM AS THE LEADER MALCOLM WAS A THINKER
AND HE WAS SO FURIOUS WITH MLK, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE , YOU COMMUNIST PIG, BLACK ISLAM IS ARE NOT COMMUNISTS ! SO MLK SOLD YOU DOWN THE RIVER AND MALCOLM WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ?? BLACKS HAD BUSINESSES , FAMILIES WERE IN GOOD SHAPE( HAVE YOU READ DR. THOMAS SOWELL , AS HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND YOU NEED SOME EDUCATIN!!! ) , SO BLACKS WERE DOING GREAT AND SO WERE WHITES , BOTH HAD BUSINESSES AND BOTH RESPECTED THE OTHER !! THEY HAD RESPECT FOR EACH OHTER UNTIL: MLK AND YOU WENT BACK ON THE PLANTATION AND BECAME WHITES ARE OUR NANIES AND WE ALWAYS NEED HELP, YOU DID AFTER YOU TOOK WELFARE , COMMIES , NO MEN IN HOME WAS THE MLK #1 CONDITION NO MEN /FATHERS IN THE HOME AND MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, 70% OF BLACK WOMEN ON WELFARE AND 70% OF BLACK MEN COMMITT 50% OF ALL CRIMES !!
SO YOU GOT WHAT?? YOU GOT WELFARE OR DO THIS AND THE WOMEN GET THIS , AND YOU DID IT AND NOW MAY I ASSURE YOU, 76% OF THE POPULATION IS NOT BLACK , YOU ARE 13% AND LOOK AT THE STATS I JUST WROTE !!!! SO EBONY , YOU ON THE WELFARE PLANTATION ???
SOON , NO MORE OF YOUR FREE??? 30% OF BLACKS ARE GOOD, DECENT , HARD WORKING , KIND, GREAT PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE STAINED THEM WITH YOUR HATE AND BTW: 1 OUT OF 5O BLACKS IN USA ARE MILLIONAIERS, SURPIRISE, MUST BE THOSE HOUSE WORKERS , GET IT??? SEE GET OFF THE PLANTATION BY DR THOMAS SOWELL , OUR GREATEST BLACK THINKER AND YOU MAKE YOUR ANCESTORS WEEP !! THEY WEEP !!
As if they don't lunch other races of people through different dynamics
@@GgOlb-b7iWE'RE NOT TALKING METAPHORICALLY LADY, WE'RE TALKING A YOUNG BLACK MAN WAS HUNG IN A TREE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO....STOP TRYING TO MINIMALIZE MY NEPHEW'S MURKER PLS..😢
@@GgOlb-b7iMinorities need to stop this division BS. If we don’t stand together, we will never get anything done.
The history of snic shows the nuance needed to understand history.
Thank you for handling it with care, respect and truth 🫡
I think really critical also, is the way you tell the story. Your judgements are easily understood as you do it with compassion and an eye for all. What a model for allyship, and humanity. Thank you!
I could not really help asking myself if the latest events in history did not tell us that the black women at SNCC did what we always do best: putting the greater need above our own - with disastrous results?
Yeah, let's forget about all those Black Men who did all the heavy lifting, bled and died for the Civil Rights movement. LOL...Feminists never fail at being self centered, perpetual navel gazers.
Agree!
Yh their pushback against WW back in the day seems a bit man centered looking at it with what's happened now.
@@nzingahoney Oh...I dunno...maybe it was more man-centered because WW were attacking BM ? It's interesting how BW these days are more likely to disparage BM than WW are these days but then want to cry that BM aren't protecting BW.
@thecollector6746 if BM are abusing and killing BW at a higher rate than ever before then that's just facts, not disparagement. And it's a fact BM should make sure they not part of by ensuring they DO protect BW when they can, online or offline. Apart from that I am thinking about the election and how some BM voted against reproductive rights for women. I mean if they could think anything could justify that, why should BW have been standing up for them in BLM marches and other things that defend BM?
Thanks for this conversation! and for educating the public.
As a multi-ethnic person, I want to thank you personally for doing what I can tell was your absolute best to cover the facts and feelings of all sides involved. My nature of having basically all parts of the American “races” means I’m in constant internal conflict by nature. I have to watch a lot of content that doesn’t consider the cultural significance of one of my ancestors. I appreciate you for the “bigger pictureism” you displayed by attempting to be as impartial as possible.
Beware black sisters. Bonnie will always roll with Clyde.
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Don't worry Sis. More of us are hip to this.
@@kyrabarr2846 🤷?
@@RasheedGazzi it's hidden in plain sight, and people don't want to see it. I understand the point that you were making and I agree 💯
In this election 2024 the intersectionality was on the ballot. White women voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. FACT! Please don't get it twisted. 🙄🤬
This was well done 👍🏾. Excellent work. You’ve added two books to my reading list. Thanks 🙏🏾
You should pitch this to PBS. It is that good.
New sub, and thank you for sharing this!
I have read about Alice Walker's time in the movement, and I think that she understood what was happening better than most of the so-called leaders who thought that lines could be drawn in the sand that would stand up to any test.
As a black woman I Thank you first for sharing your thoughts and this information.
Thanking a white woman for sanitizing their willful and persistent violence toward Black women. Hate to see it smh
Thank you for this eye opening accounting. Very moving
Thank you for sharing your research and for the encouragement at the beginning to engage with this story. I didn’t expect to get to the end but then I did and could have kept going. Will check out the books and history more too. Love your takeaways. My first response was that inclusion could have helped the manifesto. I loved your insights about how backgrounds and experiences are so influential to our response to injustice. And it’s definitely something to be curious about in our interactions with other humans ❤
Thank you for this previously unknown by me perspective!
Thank you so much for clarifying the facts around Stokley Carmichael’s old oft- repeated remark. It puts it-and him-in an entirely new light. I’m so glad you did that deep dive on the civil rights movement and the women who did the heavy lifting there. Hopefully we can once again join together as sisters to work for change that benefits all❤❤❤
No, Women never did the heavy lifting. That's a lie. Women weren't the ones being sprayed by water hoes, and having dogs set on them. Black Women weren't the ones who were going out in armed neighborhood patrols and getting into literal fire fights with The Klan. Black Women ere not the ones being murdered. Black Men were doing THE REAL WORK, but of course "we" can never, ever admit that.
This is excellent work, thank you. This history is reminiscent of the struggle within the American Equal Rights Association, which advocated for the recognition of civil rights for both women and African-Americans between 1866 and 1869. In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War and the abolition of chattel enslavement, Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass, with years of difficult activism between them, sought to gain voting rights for both women and newly emancipated formerly enslaved people. The organization lasted only three years before crumbling from internal stress fractures. If brilliant, creative, experienced activists like Anthony and Douglass were unable to thread a path through competing participant histories and priority management, I don't know that anyone could figure it out. That's not a reason not to try, of course.
Excellent!
The only additions I would suggest are Ida B. Wells Barnett and Pauli Murray in importance and the arc of history. Your video also enlightens me on the voices of Sweet Honey in the Rock. Songs are important in the movement.
A thought provoking and well thought out history. I learned a lot through the different viewpoints presented. Thank you!
I used to know Stokley and I’m happy to see him talked about.
Very informative video. Tho sadly not surprising info. From what I can tell, black ppl will support vast movements against injustice, but then don’t get the same support back. Which has led to more fractures, especially in the black communities.
Good advice ya gave at the end tho.
Fascinating video! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for this educational video.
Your videos are soooo good! Ty!!!❤❤❤
So beautifully done. Yes yes and yes. I can hear echoes of Gerda and here as well saying until women realize that all been impressed and work together to end that oppression we cannot undo or dismantle or breakdown patriarchy. Just keep thinking that all the isms have to be unitedto understand one another in order to dismantle this. I will work until my last breath on this on my end.
Thank you! Hard work ahead hard work behind
Fantastic video and explanation! Thank you 🙏
I was a kid when all this happened but coming from a Black Baptist background I can see why this happened and why Shirley Chisom had such a hard time with the Women Movement!😊
Feminism is the driving force for achieving the Human Rights Declaration.
Thank you Eleanor Roosevelt! ❤
BS!! Feminism is one of the root causes of the division between Black men & Black women. Feminism is a diametrically opposed to the Black family..
I feel this is a meaningful and much needed conversation; the topic has been on my mind for a while. I appreciate the care and consideration. How do we heal and move forward? By the way, "The Creation of Patriarchy" by Gerda Lerner is amazing. You may have already read it. Thank you! Peace and love to and for ALL sentient beings!
youre doing a great job. Thank you.
Lets pass eachother our lenses like kids with glasses. It's the only way to understand how we distort the world.
*The Civil Rights Movement and the Feminist Movement was not the same nor was it on the same Accord*
The Feminist Movement was racially divided.
Black American Women fought for racial equality which was intersectioned with Black American Women Equality
White Women did not fight for the betterment of Black American Women but those white women fought for racial equality for Blacks
That part!
Very interesting, I never heard of this before...
One thing that worries me about the "womanism" definition is that it ignores that black men are often the oppressors of black women. You can't separate them from the violence black women face. Having a movement that's meant to ignore this on the basis of not being man-haters is a movement doomed to fail, and given that nobody talks about womanism now, that's exactly what happened. I mean, it seems like the start of this whole divide started with the insensitive words of a black man...
Edit: Thank you for sharing this nuance.
Absolutely. White women are in tough spot though bc they look racist when they talk about it. If blk women don't care about their own victimization, how can white women speak louder for them.
Today we shouldn't ignore it for sure.
But, we need to have understanding and grace for those blk women back then. You really need to put yourself in that time period and realize blk women didn't really have the luxury to fully call out those men. Use your common sense. Seriously think about it. So, they have no male protection besides blk men. They're fighting white supremacy and you think it was gonna be so flawless to also fight blk men misogyny and have all that work out neatly and perfectly for all involved. Lol. 🤦🏾♀️ You're thinking too delusionally..and not stepping into that time... You're thinking about it likes it's 2024. The risk was too great to do all these battles at the same time. Black women had no power and safety to call out white men and blk men at the same time. You're kinda delusional. We need to look back at this as a sad predicament for them.
I appreciate your opinion; however, I feel the definition of "womanism" has been misunderstood. It doesn't ignore that many so-called Black men are also oppressors of many so-called Black women or excuse the oppressive behavior. ( I use the term "so-called" because race is a social construct, an illusion). The definition speaks of "not attacking Black men." In my opinion, one can hold someone accountable without attacking them. It's not mentioned in this video, but in my opinion, the divide began even before the Civil Rights Movement. For example, the Suffragette movement.
Give me a break.
Thank you so much for making this video. I grew up in the late 60s in a northern, rural part of America that was mostly white, though my best friend in high school was one of two black students. I was all in for Kamala and was incredibly moved by her phenomenal run for office…. And like so many was deeply grief-stricken when the outcome was not what we expected. But I could not understand the backlash from black women and their anger towards white women (yes, I understand the voting demographics) but the anger by black women towards white women seemed very deep yet I did not understand it. Your video fills in so many gaps in my understanding. THANK YOU! I hope women and men of all skin types and cultural backgrounds can find solidarity in opposing patriarchy and misogyny. 💖
... as well as racism, white supremacy, and any other form of bigotry.
I'm sure you were about to mention that.
You seemed to have a beautiful upbringing. I believe Americans would have voted for a black qualified woman of color. I’m black these conversations I was having with my mom, aunties and cousins. These conversations will never be heard. If I went to my own black community publicly it was a different conversation. We all knew she was not the best we have. Socially the news reports what they think. Please understand there are secret conversations blacks are not ever comfortable telling others about. If you want to know the truth it’s not what is shared publicly.
I mean... you gotta actually be sure you have support for the right to live before you can move out of secretary mode. Duh.
This was a helpful video for me (as a Dane) to understand the context behind so many arguments I've seen played out in American culture, and which seem incomprehensible to me at the time.
I wonder how much of what Amy says can relate to the sexism/racism debate in Denmark also 🤔
This kind of situation not limited to mixed race groups working on black issues. Disagreement about the roles and treatment of women in "The movement" came up in activist groups of all kinds for decades. Definitely up to the 1990s, and probably beyond, and up to the current day.
Very interesting to see how history can be twisted. Sad the movement was not known better to me when its pivotal.🎉
White women needed their own grouping in this environment!
Google these two people:
Dr. Neely Fuller Jr. &
Dr. Francis Cress Whelsing!
9:40 Anyone wonder why ever every movie movie has a black female and a white guy?
Nothing much has changed.
Complexion (Melanin levels) discrimination
Soooo these women just joined a movement and then imposed their WS mentality, which is right on brand.. Nobody asked them to join anything smh
10:05 This might be a little out of your wheelhouse (or not), but I've noticed that WOC seem to have more liberal and, well, healthy attitudes towards sex and sexuality than white women. What you say here makes me wonder if the myth of (white) women being pure and sexless might be not just racist, but rooted in racism. As in, was the myth created specifically to distance white women from black women? And if the Atlantic Slave Trade had never happened, would we all be having better sex lives today?
Also thanks, this was really informative and interesting! I hope your channel reaches lots and lots of people. 🙂
That's a very odd interpretation because she clearly states that the reason for the stereotype is as way to justify discrimination against black men.
@@bnwo 10:05: "According to the thinking at the time, white women were pure and innocent and child-like and needed protection. From Black men, whom white men saw as predators." So no, the stereotype already existed, and the violence against Black men was a consequence.
In fact, the prevailing view in progressive circles around the turn of the 20th century was that women didn't experience sexual pleasure or sexual desire at all. There's a utopian novel by famous American feminist Charlotte Perkins Gilman called Herland which depicts an all-female society where there's no sex at all. Even after some male explorers discover Herland and the women start having sex, it's purely for the sake of children, and they don't experience sexual pleasure at all. Only later and in a different context did I discover that when the doctors at the time said that women don't experience sexual desire, they meant "proper" women, i.e. white women.
I watched the video a second time and I think Dr Allebest does address it obliquely at the end, when she points out that white wives of slave-owning men were implicitly endorsing the oppression of (Black) women by participating in slavery. So I think that they might have needed some rationalization that stopped them from identifying with the Black women. But I've never heard anyone address this directly.
(Sorry for the wordy response. I just don't know how to write concisely.)
What's changed?
Nothing.
And yet male figureheads get props for the civil rights movement 🙄
And we know you’re a White woman.
And please read, read intelectual women like Simone de Beauvoir "the second sex"
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Nice presentation. But what if i told you that Stanford still mistaught you? The issue is about entitlement. This country reembraced entitlement during Lincoln's term. This fact seems to be going unacknowledged. In fact the master-slave equation was not been eradicated. it was merely shifted. The American citizen was to be guaranteed to their right to life, liberty and pursuits of happiness. To attain that the government could not have the right of entitlement which started small and relatively inconsequential. In fact it was legal, as a stop gap measure in the event of war. And despite Americans trying to return the country back to the original intent in the late 1890's the Supreme Court dictated otherwise. Since that time it appears the American citizen has attained more freedom, but that isn't whole truth. The civil rights movement should demonstrate one thing. That after 100 years of black men being told they were free, it merely a false claim and an illusion. Once someone or something is able to claim entitlement to what one has. with enough time, they will lay claim to everything you have, including you freedom of conscience.
The white women seemed to only care bc they were being affected. Although they might have been well intentioned, they probably were over stepping a little bit. It was a very complicated situation. Its not that the black women didn't care... they indeed had their own battles with those blk men. It's the fact that all this would've just hurt movement and the greater goal. It would've been very difficult telling the country these men were sexist and needed white people's help at the same time. You can't do all that at the same time. But, dont assume blk women just happily accepted blk men's misogyny. Bc they absolutely did not. You're talking about women that still hold social power coming in trying to police things. It's just too complicated. They did the right thing to talk to them and encourage them to stand up for themselves. Sometimes you have to fight one battle at a time.. and that's what blk women were doing. Do you know the implications of calling blk men misogynistic at the time. It would not have been helpful at all to the cause...it would've given white people more excuses for their racism. Now, that's common sense. Even today, blk women are unfortunately protective of blk men bc of race loyalty and racism. Today, i disagree with this type of silence. It's not helpful for us today.
Well said ❤
You’re using the same faulty rationale while people used to stave off black progress; wait your turn. Hilarious
Bumping video
There should be a sequel that ties the LGBTQ movement into this.
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Nope. It's not the same fight.
@jdhoward1438 im guessing this is sarcasm.
@phoenixsong20 No. They are not the same. The aims are the same...but different tactics are needed for different groups
Was looking for this comment.
What is i told you Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA?
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Great and informative video! I am just curious if you include transgender women - either pre-operative or post-operative or both or neither in your group of "all women"? Again thank you so very much for posting this very informative video! ❤
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How can you lead when you can't protect?
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Let me say the good part first. I am extremely appreciative of your knowledgeable, scholarly approach to this topic. I appreciate the logical way you've organized what you've presented.
What I don't appreciate is the tone deafness that I hear as a white woman. If these white women made an error at all, it was that they didn't understand that their experience of sexism and oppression was going to be inherently different from that of black women. All throughout this, you find fault with the white women. That's always what happens isn't it? You say that they should have had a black woman write it with them so that they could get the tone and the timing right. Other words we should have infantilized ourselves, it's not enough that white men do it. But when we hear black women today speak about this topic, we hear them arguing that white women let them do all the work, and then excluded them from the conversation when black women wanted racial issues to be part of the women's liberation platform. From just what you've described, that is not an accurate perspective. Black women didn't do all the work, and white women, it seems, were the first ones to try to incorporate gender issues with the racial battle, notwithstanding, going back to the suffragette movement.
The way that you're presenting it, this is once again making white women the scapegoat for everything. We are the source of black peoples problems and we are the source of Whitemans problems, and we are forced time and time again to accommodate and place above ourselves everybody else's grievance.
Today, November 2024, we stand having had a black met as president for two terms, and a black woman as vice president for one term, and a white woman, white women, who are supposed to have some inherent white advantage, never having been in either position.
It is time to white women wake up to our own struggle and our own history; when and if our black sisters are ready to join us, that's fine. But no, we're not going to water down our struggle with putting someone else ahead of us anymore.
People, pleasing, over accommodating, legacy of codependency, that is the struggle of the white woman. It comes from millennia of having to please men for our survival, and so that they will not beat us, or rape us, and so that we can better or fortunes by being married to the more affluent men, and so that we don't have our children taken from us, and we're not locked in mental institutions against our will.
Ok, Carolyn. 🫖✌🏽
@ I have no idea what that reference means. I've heard the name Karen used to stigmatize any white woman who speaks up for herself. Carolyn, I'm not familiar with. No need to explain.
I think this is a fair criticism. As a black woman, I'm often frustrated that white women are used as scapegoats. Nowadays when left leaning people want to be misogynistic they just say "white women" as an excuse. It's tiring. I can see why you'd want to go your own way on this. Personally I'm of the opinion that the racial stuff, although important to understand and consider, has been used as a wedge to keep women from effectively uniting. Before we're white, black, asian, hispanic, etc... we're all women, and that's what will impact us the most.
@@MegaGraceiscool so now black women are accusing black women of being reverse racists because black women have critiqued the race of women who started the oppression Olympics during the CRM when they said they were there to white savior the black people! If Rob Smith, Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott and Byron Daniels had a sister, your face would be in the family album. You cannot be the W.E.B. DuBois that will create the intersectional movement that white women, and apparently some black women, keep pretending white women are now having. Instead, you would sell out your own black sisters, non-white sisters and working-class sisters just to sit at the table with your white sisters.
Dear white women, @NEbluefire is the epitome of the expression "white feminism" ideology characteristic of first- and second-wave feminist movements and permeates fourth-wave feminism that purports to be intersectional in its ideology. Dear black women, if you put Daisy Bates in her white woman hall of fame, I will haunt you, your progeny and your progeny's progeny.
Omg, tone policing ?!! The creator suggested tone policing to protect black men’s ego?!!! Dude, this is why they wrote the manifesto! Jesus
I understand what you are saying but you need to look at this through black women’s eyes. They were prioritizing the threat. The greater threat was the literal killing of black people (primarily black men). Black women understood sexism existed with SNCC but that was not the priority. They white women wrote this manifesto about a black organization without asking for the black women’s input. This put the black women in a situation on deciding with the white women or the black men. If they were invited to the conversation it might have been a joint women’s movement within SNCC. Or the black women could explain why they are prioritizing the racial issue or the sexism issue. At least it would have been discussed among the women first.😊
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Ella Baker was NOT the founder of SNCC. She is a co founder, with many BLACK MEN. She would also a student of tactics invented by BLACK MEN.
BS women never organized jack S