@@eazymb. if your pops is older than chill, he will be in his 40s in the 90s. I know this because I’m 42 a witnessed the whole era til now. The stats, the studies, the ticket sales and also the ratings prove this is by far the worst era of NBA since black-and-white.
correction: charles barkley DID NOT in fact play 5 more years after 1997 he played 3 more years and did not play more than 42 games in any of those seasons. in fact he only played 20 games in 1999-00 season.
@@386_ollo_sports I'm 51 I'll take Sir Charles over both of them in their prime the Joker probably ride the bench back then or fouling out checking those centers back in tha 90's but 4 now the Joker a fkn BEAST
This isn’t even an argument worth having. Giannis and Jokic both clear in every possible way. Not to say Chuck wasn’t great, but Barkley HIMSELF wouldn’t say he’s better than Giannis or Jokic
@@penkima4923 he’s talking about your Barkley point my guy 🤡😂. Also sure, at base you’re right with saying Barkley stating it doesn’t make it true, so what do you wanna use? Cause in every way Jokic and Giannis are better 😂 both got chips, both have multiple MVPS, Giannis has a DPOY, and they both put up better stats than prime Barkley. There is 0 sensible argument for Barkley over either of those two.
@@Nyualum21 Giannis doesn't have a real ring. He didn't win it by playing basketball. He can't play basketball. And rings are a team achievement. Giannis is a better defender than Barkley was, but Barkley is offensively better in a multitude of ways. Barkley is the better shooter, more clutch, better in the post, more well-rounded as a scorer, better at setting screens, better passer, and the better rebounder. All this in the tougher defensive era. Giannis could play in the 90's, but there wouldn't be as much officiating for Giannis to exploit as today. Barkley is the better player.
@@penkima4923 it’s ridiculous to listen to that logic but I suspect the low quality of film is a factor in people thinking that. Watch a game today in 144p and it looks awfully similiar to bob cousy
if Barkley with no rings clears Giannis and Jokic then that also means Harden clears Wade, but apparently the haters will only have a problem with the 2nd take lol
He'd have trouble with point guards but He didn't have trouble with a 6'9 265 Karl Malone, 6'6 260 Larry Johnson, 6'10 250 Chris Webber, or anyone else. Please make it make sense.
The better shooter= jokic Better scorer= jokic Better passer= jokic Better rebounds= are we talking for size? It's Barkley 100%. But in general it's very close. But I'd say Barkley. Better defender= both can't play defense. But id day Charles More clutch= jokic MVP'S= jokic 3 working on 4, Barkley 1 mvp. Rings and finals mvps = jokic 1, Barkley 0.
@shepardice3775 he was. He had 5 seasons where he averaged at least 1 block per game. Jokic hasn't had one. Jokic best season for steals is this year at 1.7 per game. Barkley had 4 seasons where he averaged more than that. Barkley was 6'4 and jokic is 6'11.
@@865style I can't believe I'm seeing someone use blocks and steals averages as a measure of how good a defender you were in big 2025. Be serious right now
I think Chill just needed to start the year off with a wild take to get it out his system. Like he needed to get that demon out to have a clear mind for the rest of the year. Now all he needs is his yearly wild take about Tatum come playoff time and he'll be set for the clips.
@@hokagegod8790sum of them are like everyone say he not a true number one and he constantly say he is which he not they won when brown cmvp and fmvp I am not saying brown is better for that playoff brown played better and they won
Jokic clean the glass like Chuck while being athletically disadvantaged in some way for his era lol. They actually similar in alot of ways til you realize one average bout 10 assists with it and shoot better.
These debates would be far cleaner if we debated relative to the era. Ron did a great job of making a case for Barkley. We don't have to downplay an era to talk about players. What did they do in the context of their era? That's all that should matter.
Are we gonna talk about how the top level players would struggle to get game time nowadays or are we gonna pretend that people back in the day were as strong and as fast as nowadays 😂 Times have changed Giannis would cook everyone back in the day
@@penkima4923 you can think that but the old guys are just physically inferior they ain't as fast they ain't as strong they don't jump as high etc sports science has exposed that especially true with bigs as well
Charles Barkley‘s competition in his era is not only relegated to the Power Forward position but also the center position. He had to go against David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo, mourning, Larry Johnson, Dikembe Mutombo. He had to deal with so many other elite bags on top of the power forwards that was mentioned of his era. Nikola Jokić is probably in one of the thinnest Competitive frontcourt eras in NBA history.
@ When he was dominating on the glass, finishing around the rim, and dominating the NBA he was competing against those Centers as well. If you watched the games back then you would have seen Charles guarded by Centers as well.
Lmao this is bs. Y’all are acting like this is the 2010’s when Deandre Jordan and Joakim Noah were being considered the best big. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Wemby, Towns, J. Allen, Ant Davis can all go head up with everyone you named.
Barkley wasn’t over Hakeem at any point besides maybe 1993. I’m admittedly biased but even with that, Dream’s defense gives him a crazy edge. So Chuck was maximum 3rd best player for most of his peak.
Giannis is a more dominant scorer, clears at playmaking and defense and is still an elite rebounder. Jokic clears at scoring and playmaking, is a solid defender unlike barkley, and is still an elite rebounder. Theyre clearly more talented basketball players
I think these dudes saw what Gilbert Arenas generates as views with his probably worst takes on the whole internet and said to themselves "hold up, we can make even more outrageous claims".
I dunno man jokic n giannis are insane barkeley was incredible for a 6 4 power forward and arguably the greatest rebounder ever but giannis and jokic do absolutely everything and jokic shooting 50 percent from 3 this year which is unheard of from a big.
Taking Charles Barkley's best year in each category you get: 28.3/14.6/5.1/2.2/1.6 on 60.6% EF%, so if you cobble together the best points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals and shooting from across Barkley's entire career into one stat line, then he's slightly better than Jokic is this season. But if you do that, what you end up with is also better than Barkley ever was - by a lot. Barkley's career averages are far worse than Jokic's.
This is the mindset of a loy of older dudes, and i get it. Its really tough to imagine players being better than what you remember from the greats. But sometimes it gets a little ridiculous like this take, and nobody wants to disrespect barkley, because he deserves more credit for who he was at the time. But dont put him up against dudes like Giannas and Joker, they both passed him in a short amount of time
So let me get this right. Charles Barkley because he was so good in transition and mid range and post scoring. Is better than a 3x MVP and one of the GOATs of passing, and arguably the greatest down hill and transition player of all time and elite defender. I just can’t more skill more production and winners I’m at if a hard time accepting this opinion!
Chill i hear you fr I hate how they disregard your history wit watching the game You really watched back then and they didnt. As a younger person you have to take that into account
So Chilltown is saying prime Barkley would be head and shoulders above the rest of the league rn. Because Giannis and Jokic have been the two best since 2020
Yeah that facts but bron was the best in 2020 that was his last somewhat close to his peak year and 2022 that when they started to take over as the best
He has since realised jokic might not win many rings because of his roster therefore it doesn’t matter now he can say whatever and since jokic doesn’t win he can’t be proven wrong in his mind
Barkley was a monster but joker is better come on now. It's actually a really good comparison because neither played a lot of defense lol. Also he said Barkley was the 2nd best player in the league for a long time. When was this lol.?? He came into the league in 84. Bird was still the 2nd best player until 89. From 90 to 95 Hakeem was the 2nd best player. From 95 on shaq was the 2nd best player until jordan retired.
@iosinc1169 I disagree just off the position. Joker is only dominant due to ball dominance, Charles dominated playing his position. Just like Lebron James can only dominant when he controls the offense not off the ball.
@@rawbellco49joker isn’t ball dominant at all you’re mistaken. There’s 34 players in the nba who have the ball in their hands for more time per game than Nikola Jokic. Including players like Immanuel Quickley Derrick White and Jalen Suggs who I’m sure you wouldn’t call ball dominant.
Jokic and Giannis ARE better than Barkley….but….I wouldn’t say that they necessarily CLEAR. Like Chill said, I don’t know if these younger guys truly got the opportunity to appreciate Barkley outside of highlights they see on YT. Let’s just hypothetically say Jokic and Giannis are 19 and 20 all time respectfully. Barkley would probably be like 22nd or 23rd. (Not my actual ranking, just trying to put some perspective on the matter.
Charles Barkley has no argument whatsoever to be a top 5 player in today’s NBA, I’m sorry. Jokic, Giannis, Shai, Luka, Embiid, Anthony Davis, Tatum. Who is he passing out of that 7?
Damn, Chill let the nostalgia take over him on this take no other explanation. Giannis clears Barkley on just about every facet of basketball except shooting freethrows and maybe rebounds and that a debate in itself but i’ll give it to Barkley.
Barkley was the better overall shooter. And a better post-up scorer. And a better pick'n'roll player. Barkley was a more well-rounded scorer. Barkley was the better passer. And Barkley was the better rebounder. And Barkley was the better clutch performer. One of the few facets of the game Giannis is better than Barkley is defense, and Giannis isn't playing high level defense at this point of his career.
By every metric Jokic has a better resume than Barkley. More rings, more mvps, more versatile, better teammate and honestly a better person. Barkley is top 5 at his position but he’s not Joker
@@WRLdPeAcE96 Jokic and Giannis aren’t going out of their way to fuck up people’s money. The Inside guys have contributed to pushing narratives that have actually cost players better contracts
Barkley is criminally UNDERATED. I don't have a problem with this take, even if I got Giannis a few spots higher (I got Giannis 20th all time already, Barkley 22nd). Now Jokic i already got at 13th but part of me feels I'm tripping and thats too high too soon, but idk. I'd really like to see how Jokix would fair in 1995. In that era he seems to me like he'd he closer to Arvedis Sabonis than Jokic today, but he'd still be dominant
Did this guy just say he'd take Barkley over Jokic????WTF 😂 man you lost alot if credit with that one. I seen barkly as well but he was no Joker bro WOW
How is Charles over Giannis in any way? Lol stop. The gap between Jokic and Giannis is not even that big. To say Charles is better than both means Charles would be what MJ and Hakeem were.
@@makwabear4078he was in the same tier as MJ & Hakeem them though. All of these guys mentioned were best in the league at one point. Though I would pick Giannis over Barkley (the gap in defense)
What conversation he trying to avoid prime bron in this era is better than jokic if Gianni’s and jokic are closed 1a 1b 2009-2018 bron is Gianni’s on steroids.
Hear me out I have a video idea, have 3 members of the panel and a host and go back and redraft a former draft class. You can have them redraft 15 spots and 3 panelists can pick 5 a piece. Also while trying to look back at who was on those respective rosters at the time and which redraft player would better schematically fit and or be the better player for that team as they existed at that time. Just an idea idk
Barkley definitely better than Giannis. He is better than Jokic too. Even though Jokic has multiple MVPs in this era. Jokic is a great player himself but this is an easier era. Barkley was playing against guys like Malone, Kemp, Webber, McHale, Worthy, Rodman, Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Oakley, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, etc.
Jokic playing against giannis, embiid, ad, kat, lebron, curry, Kevin Durant, luka, shai, tatum, sabonis, kawhi, kyrie Irving, and other players lol. Half the players you named wasn't even in their prime during Barkley's prime. Chris webber was drafted in 93.
@strongbone9471 those are good players too but nowhere near Barkley's competition. Yes, Webber was drafted in '93, the same year Barkley won MVP. They got about 4 or 5 years of playing against each other. It was an older Barkley against a young lion Webber. Also, I forgot plenty of other guys like Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, Drexler. Barkley was playing against so many monsters all year
Barkley is an amazing player way better rebounder and defender than Jokic. But Jokic is a way better scorer, playmaker, more efficient whilst also being better from beyond the arc. Giannis is essentially Charles but better, better in transition, just as good and scorer, playmaker, elite defender - with only worse at rebounding
This is why young player talk crap about the 90s...yall constant talk bad about todays talent. I watch barkley in the 90s. No way is he close to giannis or jokic. This guy has dementria and lost his marbles
This is era dependent. I doubt Giannis or Jokic would be better than Barkley in Barkley’s era. But there is also no way they he would be better than them in the current era. Rules and enforcement shape the game.
@MarzTalksSports I think that is a poor framework, but if forced to answer I would Say Giannis and Barely are too close to call. Jokic is currently peaking higher than either. A better way to evaluate is to specify what era rule set and evaluation timeframe (1yr, 5yr, 10yr, or career), then rank by resultant draft order. Giannis would probably have the highest average placement across all scenarios, but would be never be as high as Jokic or Barkley rank in their best fit scenarios.
@@sayrebonifield4663why is judging players relative to the league they practiced for and played in a bad framework but judging players by putting them in eras with different rules and tactics not poor framework? Why is Chuck or Giannis or Jokic being less good in a league they didn’t tailor their play around relevant if they didn’t play in that league?
@ It’s only a bad framework when evaluating players against players from other eras. The reason it is bad in these cases is obvious, it doesn’t give us anything to work with. It leaves us with compartmentalized facts that cannot be compared against each other. Evaluating players from different eras necessitates that we attempt to envision how each would before in other context, even though such analysis will always be imperfect. My further point is that when we take that step, we should be clear able the hypothetical context we are using, rather than making sweeping generalizations regarding greatness.
JOKIC CLEARS. GIANNIS CLEARS.
My pops older than chill and said 90s fans the most delusional. Lol
Lmao saying Charles is better than Jokic is laughable 🤣
Not close. Both are not dominant in Barkley’s era
Ish Smith CLEARS !!!
@@eazymb. if your pops is older than chill, he will be in his 40s in the 90s. I know this because I’m 42 a witnessed the whole era til now. The stats, the studies, the ticket sales and also the ratings prove this is by far the worst era of NBA since black-and-white.
I can’t believe it took me almost a year to realize chill actually doesn’t know what he’s talking about 💀
😂😂😂😂
2025 Chill💔
Another young person with the lack of knowledge.
It’s been evident for a while - he rambles and makes incoherent points … he’s good at recalling facts but his analysis is cheeks
@@johnsteward1186 why because johnsteward1186 said so?🤣🤣
Charles over Jokic is absolutely insane
Giannis too lol not just Jokic
Nostalgia bias right here.
Preach
Already a contender for the worst take in ANY basketball media in 2025. Can always rely on PC😂
Luckily FYF Sports Debates exists so there’s some competition.
that’s first ‘is charles barkley better than joker’ whisper killed me CHILL YOU HEARD THE QUESTION 😂😂😂😂😂😂
correction: charles barkley DID NOT in fact play 5 more years after 1997 he played 3 more years and did not play more than 42 games in any of those seasons. in fact he only played 20 games in 1999-00 season.
to be fair in 99 there was only 50 games so he played 84% of the games that season
That first take is absolutely insane this is what I call old head delusion holy dhit
he's right think of prime pj tucker and harden put in 1 player
@@jonyboi21 there’s no way you say harden!!! Harden and Barkley have two different playing styles
@@386_ollo_sports he’s trolling my guy
@@386_ollo_sports I'm
51 I'll take Sir Charles
over both of them in their
prime the Joker probably
ride the bench back then
or fouling out checking those
centers back in tha 90's but
4 now the Joker a fkn BEAST
@ Barkley isn’t better than jokic and Giannis that’s blasphemous
This isn’t even an argument worth having. Giannis and Jokic both clear in every possible way. Not to say Chuck wasn’t great, but Barkley HIMSELF wouldn’t say he’s better than Giannis or Jokic
Barkley saying he's better or worse than Giannis doesn't matter any more than LeBron saying he's the GoaT.
@@penkima4923stuck in the 90s
@@YoungShadTv LeBron didn't play in the 90's.
@@penkima4923 he’s talking about your Barkley point my guy 🤡😂. Also sure, at base you’re right with saying Barkley stating it doesn’t make it true, so what do you wanna use? Cause in every way Jokic and Giannis are better 😂 both got chips, both have multiple MVPS, Giannis has a DPOY, and they both put up better stats than prime Barkley. There is 0 sensible argument for Barkley over either of those two.
@@Nyualum21 Giannis doesn't have a real ring. He didn't win it by playing basketball. He can't play basketball. And rings are a team achievement.
Giannis is a better defender than Barkley was, but Barkley is offensively better in a multitude of ways. Barkley is the better shooter, more clutch, better in the post, more well-rounded as a scorer, better at setting screens, better passer, and the better rebounder. All this in the tougher defensive era. Giannis could play in the 90's, but there wouldn't be as much officiating for Giannis to exploit as today. Barkley is the better player.
I'm almost 40 and I saw Barkley.....he's not better than Giannis or Joker
People like you give me faith honest basketball discourse can exist with older fans
@@tusharbisht6832 While the younger fans say that the only skilled player in the 1900's was MJ.
@@penkima4923 it’s ridiculous to listen to that logic but I suspect the low quality of film is a factor in people thinking that. Watch a game today in 144p and it looks awfully similiar to bob cousy
@@penkima4923only fools say that
@@penkima4923Have you actually seen many “younger fans” say this or just Ant?
if Barkley with no rings clears Giannis and Jokic then that also means Harden clears Wade, but apparently the haters will only have a problem with the 2nd take lol
Coooookkkk
No. That means you rank players only based on how good teams they played for.
Wade plays way better defense
@@isiahjordan2720 surely he has an all defensive 1st team selection right?
@GXprogamer nope, James never made an all defensive team
Chill ain’t serious Jokic and Giannis > Barkley
Mf said a 6’5 PF was better than prime Giannis and Joker. Barkley would have trouble with Point Guards today
He'd have trouble with point guards but He didn't have trouble with a 6'9 265 Karl Malone, 6'6 260 Larry Johnson, 6'10 250 Chris Webber, or anyone else. Please make it make sense.
@@TheEdub1hahaha yeah right he is stupid. Also Chuck is agile and knows how to take advantage with his size.
I've been watching the NBA since 1986 and I have never seen a player like The Joker.
The better shooter= jokic
Better scorer= jokic
Better passer= jokic
Better rebounds= are we talking for size? It's Barkley 100%. But in general it's very close. But I'd say Barkley.
Better defender= both can't play defense. But id day Charles
More clutch= jokic
MVP'S= jokic 3 working on 4, Barkley 1 mvp.
Rings and finals mvps = jokic 1, Barkley 0.
Jokic couldve been on 4 winning 3 straight which is comoletely insane
Barkley played in a league with MJ who was mainly winning mvp. And one year Barkley should have won mvp they gave it to Magic Johnson instead.
I honestly don't think you can say Charles Barkley was a better defender than Jokic
@shepardice3775 he was. He had 5 seasons where he averaged at least 1 block per game. Jokic hasn't had one. Jokic best season for steals is this year at 1.7 per game. Barkley had 4 seasons where he averaged more than that. Barkley was 6'4 and jokic is 6'11.
@@865style I can't believe I'm seeing someone use blocks and steals averages as a measure of how good a defender you were in big 2025. Be serious right now
I think Chill just needed to start the year off with a wild take to get it out his system. Like he needed to get that demon out to have a clear mind for the rest of the year. Now all he needs is his yearly wild take about Tatum come playoff time and he'll be set for the clips.
He’s Tatum takes are not bad at all ppl are just Tatum haters
@@hokagegod8790sum of them are like everyone say he not a true number one and he constantly say he is which he not they won when brown cmvp and fmvp I am not saying brown is better for that playoff brown played better and they won
Or he could just talk about his boss LeBron James to remind everyone of his delusion.
@@akwesirobinson1710 Tatum led them in all in all stats and had a higher plus minus
Jokic clean the glass like Chuck while being athletically disadvantaged in some way for his era lol. They actually similar in alot of ways til you realize one average bout 10 assists with it and shoot better.
He don’t rebound like Chuck
@@jayscott4918FACTUALLY incorrect
Jokic is bigger and stronger than almost everyone
Dude Barkley has a higher all time FG% than Jokic, look it up for God's sake
@@448DamonXX He’s 6’4 and averages more rebounds on on his career
Barkley was not a top 2 player in the world. MJ, Hakeem and Malone were better
YES!!
From 1989 to 1993 Charles Barkley is better than both of them. Only Mike was better than Barkley
@seankelly4594 No Hakeem just didn't have any help or coaching until 93, Malone was still better as well.
@@seankelly45941993 Hakeem was definitely better than 1993 Chuck.
@@leonzaduncan2438Barkley Was better than Malone peak for Peak
That take actually just pissed me off
These debates would be far cleaner if we debated relative to the era. Ron did a great job of making a case for Barkley. We don't have to downplay an era to talk about players. What did they do in the context of their era? That's all that should matter.
Jokic rn is the best offensive player ever. Barkley not touching him.
Hell no
Barkley is good but Giannind Joker are on a different level
*great
5:08 Duncan came in the league as a star player, 1st team all nba, 2nd team all defense his rookie season
Are we gonna talk about how the top level players would struggle to get game time nowadays or are we gonna pretend that people back in the day were as strong and as fast as nowadays 😂
Times have changed Giannis would cook everyone back in the day
Are you gonna pretend Giannis is stronger than Barkley.
@penkima4923 not pretend but yeah Giannis is functionally stronger
@AlphaAbyss_ Worse take than any in the video.
They wouldn't struggle at all.
@@penkima4923 you can think that but the old guys are just physically inferior they ain't as fast they ain't as strong they don't jump as high etc sports science has exposed that especially true with bigs as well
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD GIANNIS IS 😭😭😭😭😭
Charles Barkley‘s competition in his era is not only relegated to the Power Forward position but also the center position. He had to go against David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo, mourning, Larry Johnson, Dikembe Mutombo. He had to deal with so many other elite bags on top of the power forwards that was mentioned of his era. Nikola Jokić is probably in one of the thinnest Competitive frontcourt eras in NBA history.
No his of competition is Larry Johnson and Karl Malone he didn’t gaurd the center
Facts
@ When he was dominating on the glass, finishing around the rim, and dominating the NBA he was competing against those Centers as well. If you watched the games back then you would have seen Charles guarded by Centers as well.
Lmao this is bs. Y’all are acting like this is the 2010’s when Deandre Jordan and Joakim Noah were being considered the best big. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Wemby, Towns, J. Allen, Ant Davis can all go head up with everyone you named.
Cool and jokic still clears him
Barkley wasn’t over Hakeem at any point besides maybe 1993. I’m admittedly biased but even with that, Dream’s defense gives him a crazy edge. So Chuck was maximum 3rd best player for most of his peak.
This is a lie. He was better than 89,90,91,,92,93
Love how ppl like Ox stand on playing defense then say Barkley is better than Giannis. What happened to playing both sides of the ball
this gotta be a clickbait topic, cause no way chill truly believe this...
Chill doesn’t believe LeBron is the goat either but most people are too media-brainwashed to figure out he’s just collecting paychecks from Rich Paul.
Can’t believe I got baited into watching this
Giannis is a more dominant scorer, clears at playmaking and defense and is still an elite rebounder. Jokic clears at scoring and playmaking, is a solid defender unlike barkley, and is still an elite rebounder. Theyre clearly more talented basketball players
Charles Barkley was the number 2 player in the world
While jokic IS the number 1 player in the world 😂😂😂
Damn Marz brought up Ticket name lol
Time stamp
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I think these dudes saw what Gilbert Arenas generates as views with his probably worst takes on the whole internet and said to themselves "hold up, we can make even more outrageous claims".
I dunno man jokic n giannis are insane barkeley was incredible for a 6 4 power forward and arguably the greatest rebounder ever but giannis and jokic do absolutely everything and jokic shooting 50 percent from 3 this year which is unheard of from a big.
Man these kids better stop, Charles Barkley was an absolute animal in his prime. Charles was what Zion would be if he could actually stay healthy.
THIS IS AN ARGUMENT OF OLD HEADS THINKING THEIR ERA WAS THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED SINCE SLICED BREAD.
Taking Charles Barkley's best year in each category you get: 28.3/14.6/5.1/2.2/1.6 on 60.6% EF%, so if you cobble together the best points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals and shooting from across Barkley's entire career into one stat line, then he's slightly better than Jokic is this season. But if you do that, what you end up with is also better than Barkley ever was - by a lot.
Barkley's career averages are far worse than Jokic's.
I thought chill cared about defense but whatever I guess
How do I get in touch with LOW? He and I need to have a conversation!
That old man can’t see a picture of Giannis
This is the mindset of a loy of older dudes, and i get it. Its really tough to imagine players being better than what you remember from the greats. But sometimes it gets a little ridiculous like this take, and nobody wants to disrespect barkley, because he deserves more credit for who he was at the time. But dont put him up against dudes like Giannas and Joker, they both passed him in a short amount of time
So let me get this right. Charles Barkley because he was so good in transition and mid range and post scoring. Is better than a 3x MVP and one of the GOATs of passing, and arguably the greatest down hill and transition player of all time and elite defender. I just can’t more skill more production and winners I’m at if a hard time accepting this opinion!
The 90s players ppl choose to gas up is crazy
Giannis does everything barkely does, but better. While also being one of the best defenders of his generation
I agree, Barkley is better than most! And he's 6'4 while these guys are 7'0
Chill i hear you fr
I hate how they disregard your history wit watching the game
You really watched back then and they didnt. As a younger person you have to take that into account
I love Charles' game but ain't no way his prime matches either of these two. He'd be interesting as hell in this era though.
There's no Barkley comparison today because he was only good for his time.
Sour patch kids do sound fire right now lmao
So Chilltown is saying prime Barkley would be head and shoulders above the rest of the league rn. Because Giannis and Jokic have been the two best since 2020
Yeah that facts but bron was the best in 2020 that was his last somewhat close to his peak year and 2022 that when they started to take over as the best
Wasn't Chill just saying last playoffs that Jokic cooks all the best defensive big men?
He has since realised jokic might not win many rings because of his roster therefore it doesn’t matter now he can say whatever and since jokic doesn’t win he can’t be proven wrong in his mind
As per Chill’s description he’s described more of Russ. I mean 6’5 pf like what are we doing?
love Ox and Chill but come on man LOL
how u let chill get away with saying chuck was top 2 in the league for a few years, he was never close to being top 2
Dude in the hoodie don't have a clue and he's arrogant about players he never saw play. That's crazy fr
No Charles Barkley slander here
This is the dumbest take of the year. Sealed up in the first week.
Barkley was a monster but joker is better come on now. It's actually a really good comparison because neither played a lot of defense lol. Also he said Barkley was the 2nd best player in the league for a long time. When was this lol.?? He came into the league in 84. Bird was still the 2nd best player until 89. From 90 to 95 Hakeem was the 2nd best player. From 95 on shaq was the 2nd best player until jordan retired.
This ERA needs to realize Sir Charles came in dominant while Joker learned to be dominant..
& when Jokic learns to be dominant he surpassed ant level of dominance that Barkley managed to achieve at any point of his career…
@iosinc1169 I disagree just off the position. Joker is only dominant due to ball dominance, Charles dominated playing his position. Just like Lebron James can only dominant when he controls the offense not off the ball.
@@rawbellco49joker isn’t ball dominant at all you’re mistaken. There’s 34 players in the nba who have the ball in their hands for more time per game than Nikola Jokic. Including players like Immanuel Quickley Derrick White and Jalen Suggs who I’m sure you wouldn’t call ball dominant.
10 seconds in…. Holy shit that might be the worst take I heard from this panel so far. These guys have become A1 at rage baiting.
Barkley is not better than Giannis simply
Jokic and Giannis ARE better than Barkley….but….I wouldn’t say that they necessarily CLEAR. Like Chill said, I don’t know if these younger guys truly got the opportunity to appreciate Barkley outside of highlights they see on YT. Let’s just hypothetically say Jokic and Giannis are 19 and 20 all time respectfully. Barkley would probably be like 22nd or 23rd. (Not my actual ranking, just trying to put some perspective on the matter.
On rookie year Giannis even dunk on KG and bosh
The freak & joker would DESTROY Barkley
Charles Barkley has no argument whatsoever to be a top 5 player in today’s NBA, I’m sorry.
Jokic, Giannis, Shai, Luka, Embiid, Anthony Davis, Tatum. Who is he passing out of that 7?
Get this man in a home
Ngl I need to watch Barkley because i don’t think much of him outside of he’s a top 50 player but that’s my fault
Old heads don’t watch basketball
How can you compare Barkley to Jokic, that man is just being silly Barkley is top 30 jokic is top 15 that's crazy,
Damn, Chill let the nostalgia take over him on this take no other explanation. Giannis clears Barkley on just about every facet of basketball except shooting freethrows and maybe rebounds and that a debate in itself but i’ll give it to Barkley.
Barkley was the better overall shooter. And a better post-up scorer. And a better pick'n'roll player. Barkley was a more well-rounded scorer. Barkley was the better passer. And Barkley was the better rebounder. And Barkley was the better clutch performer.
One of the few facets of the game Giannis is better than Barkley is defense, and Giannis isn't playing high level defense at this point of his career.
It’s way closer than you think but I’ll still give it to Joker & Giannis
It’s really not
@ you must be young it’s ok
I'm not a fan of giannis but he's putting barkley in the basket every time down
These dum lil kids never saw sir charles in action 😂
By every metric Jokic has a better resume than Barkley. More rings, more mvps, more versatile, better teammate and honestly a better person. Barkley is top 5 at his position but he’s not Joker
He’s DEFINITELY not better than Giannis
A better person is crazy your weird😂
@@WRLdPeAcE96 Jokic and Giannis aren’t going out of their way to fuck up people’s money. The Inside guys have contributed to pushing narratives that have actually cost players better contracts
Barkley is criminally UNDERATED. I don't have a problem with this take, even if I got Giannis a few spots higher (I got Giannis 20th all time already, Barkley 22nd). Now Jokic i already got at 13th but part of me feels I'm tripping and thats too high too soon, but idk. I'd really like to see how Jokix would fair in 1995. In that era he seems to me like he'd he closer to Arvedis Sabonis than Jokic today, but he'd still be dominant
Did this guy just say he'd take Barkley over Jokic????WTF 😂 man you lost alot if credit with that one. I seen barkly as well but he was no Joker bro WOW
Barkley was really like that
I can see Barkley over Greek brick but over Joker was asenine
How is Charles over Giannis in any way? Lol stop. The gap between Jokic and Giannis is not even that big. To say Charles is better than both means Charles would be what MJ and Hakeem were.
Probably better than jokic but not Giannis
barkley is the worst three point shooter ever lol
@@makwabear4078he was in the same tier as MJ & Hakeem them though. All of these guys mentioned were best in the league at one point.
Though I would pick Giannis over Barkley (the gap in defense)
Chill lost his mind with this 1.
Chill is nuts
Barkley played against better competition, but he isn’t better unfortunately.
I am a complete casual and i just started watching 2 months ago and i feel like i could of argued against chill here
Wait until you hear him shilling for his boss LeBron James
Bro Barkley over jokic and giannis??? Get real
Are we surprised that chill said that tho?
Giannis is way better than Barkley
Chill towns trying to avoid the real conversation of jokic versus lebron
What conversation he trying to avoid prime bron in this era is better than jokic if Gianni’s and jokic are closed 1a 1b 2009-2018 bron is Gianni’s on steroids.
We already got the worst take of the year
Is this really how chill wants to start 2025?😂
Setting Charles Barkley up here
Hear me out I have a video idea, have 3 members of the panel and a host and go back and redraft a former draft class. You can have them redraft 15 spots and 3 panelists can pick 5 a piece. Also while trying to look back at who was on those respective rosters at the time and which redraft player would better schematically fit and or be the better player for that team as they existed at that time. Just an idea idk
Barkley definitely better than Giannis. He is better than Jokic too. Even though Jokic has multiple MVPs in this era. Jokic is a great player himself but this is an easier era. Barkley was playing against guys like Malone, Kemp, Webber, McHale, Worthy, Rodman, Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Oakley, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, etc.
Jokic playing against giannis, embiid, ad, kat, lebron, curry, Kevin Durant, luka, shai, tatum, sabonis, kawhi, kyrie Irving, and other players lol. Half the players you named wasn't even in their prime during Barkley's prime. Chris webber was drafted in 93.
@strongbone9471 those are good players too but nowhere near Barkley's competition. Yes, Webber was drafted in '93, the same year Barkley won MVP. They got about 4 or 5 years of playing against each other. It was an older Barkley against a young lion Webber. Also, I forgot plenty of other guys like Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, Drexler. Barkley was playing against so many monsters all year
What is this dude saying? Barkley????? I grew up watching Barkley and I can say Giannis and Jokic are better.
Barkley is an amazing player way better rebounder and defender than Jokic. But Jokic is a way better scorer, playmaker, more efficient whilst also being better from beyond the arc. Giannis is essentially Charles but better, better in transition, just as good and scorer, playmaker, elite defender - with only worse at rebounding
'way better defender than jokic'
Unc is sweating on this one
Sir Charles were under Jordan
wit A lesser team but still were
kicking Jordan & Pippen asses
U ppl never seen him in his hey
days
I watched Barkley including his MVP year, No he's not.
2025 Chill 🤣
This is why young player talk crap about the 90s...yall constant talk bad about todays talent. I watch barkley in the 90s. No way is he close to giannis or jokic. This guy has dementria and lost his marbles
This is era dependent. I doubt Giannis or Jokic would be better than Barkley in Barkley’s era. But there is also no way they he would be better than them in the current era. Rules and enforcement shape the game.
so whos better relative to their era
@MarzTalksSports I think that is a poor framework, but if forced to answer I would Say Giannis and Barely are too close to call. Jokic is currently peaking higher than either. A better way to evaluate is to specify what era rule set and evaluation timeframe (1yr, 5yr, 10yr, or career), then rank by resultant draft order. Giannis would probably have the highest average placement across all scenarios, but would be never be as high as Jokic or Barkley rank in their best fit scenarios.
@@sayrebonifield4663 interesting
@@sayrebonifield4663why is judging players relative to the league they practiced for and played in a bad framework but judging players by putting them in eras with different rules and tactics not poor framework? Why is Chuck or Giannis or Jokic being less good in a league they didn’t tailor their play around relevant if they didn’t play in that league?
@ It’s only a bad framework when evaluating players against players from other eras. The reason it is bad in these cases is obvious, it doesn’t give us anything to work with. It leaves us with compartmentalized facts that cannot be compared against each other. Evaluating players from different eras necessitates that we attempt to envision how each would before in other context, even though such analysis will always be imperfect. My further point is that when we take that step, we should be clear able the hypothetical context we are using, rather than making sweeping generalizations regarding greatness.