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How Speedrunners Conquered Resident Evil 4's Hardest Room
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.พ. 2021
- Resident Evil 4 has an amazing speedrunning scene and we have grown a lot over time, in this video i explain the basic evolution of the speedrun, explain how it has changed and where it has come. The waterhall is a perfect little microchosm of the full game and its also one of the hardest and most notable parts of the speedrun. So lets take a look into how speedrunners conqured waterhall.
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I love how it took them 7 years to find out that if you are purposefully really bad at the game the archers in the Water Hall disappear, meanwhile it happened naturally on my Normal playthrough... Guess I am just that bad :/
Where the same
Fuck, haven't watched the vid yet, but last time I played the game, (only about a year ago) I was still dreading this room, I decided to just go all out cod mode though, and it wasn't that bad! Just gotta be stupid aggressive. I rushed the front shielders with some grenades, took out the archers first thing, and used my sniper for just about the rest.
I had heard about that before, but after this video it makes sense of all the times I've been there and the snipers/syth dudes didn't spawn.
In my playthrough there's never archers but two guys with shield in the beginning
I noticed that they disappeared one new game plus play through before ever hearing about it
The hardest room of my childhood dominated in like 5 minutes by a speedrunner. Sounds about right.
Exactly how I feel lol...I never knew there was an enemy cap
Hardest room of your childhood... you mean your uncle's basement?
@@Ed-hh5dp 😂😂😂😂😂💔
Uncles'
I still have issues on this if I'm not playing my save with the kickass weapons and without the special 2 outfit.
I was like, "There's archers in the water room, where?" Until I kept watching the video and it said if you're bad, they won't spawn. Thanks for attacking me!
I think they don't spawn if you're playing on easy mode, too. I had never played easy (wasn't available on gamecube) and am just playing easy for the first time now on PC, and one of the things they do to make it easier, aside from just removing certain little sections, is removing enemies.
@@Gaming_with_Azalea_Jane what sections are removed? Or do you mean just some encounters? Also, are there QTEs on easy?
@@Matti2ooo8 off the top of my head, they removed:
- a section in the castle where you go find the key to the front door (door is just open)
- the king's grail room where you battle the armaduras (grail is already with the kind statue)
- the hedge maze (door is open)
- the tower with all the gears
I started playing the Steam version on easy because it's been years since I've played the game and I'm new to PC controls. I thought the enemies would be easier, didn't expect whole sections to be gone!
thanks for further bursting my already deflated ego 😂
The loot goblin in me prevents speed runner strats on my playthroughs...lol
@Ambrose Contreras the whole reason I bought Resident Evil 4 in the first place as a kid and started playing through it was because I had a treasure guide and a magazine make sure your guide which I didn't realize until years later had been missing the antique pipe the whole time.
@Ambrose Contreras yeah I know where everything is by heart now too in four and five still have a striking suspicion there's got to be a way to guarantee the second blue eye.
ya same here my best time is 6:35.... lol about 5 hours longer then the wr
@@Jammermaker Missing an item over and over throughout the years? ACK!
Bro, I go out of my way to kill the birds... 😂
I really loved Ashley's armor outfit. it shows the devs have a good sense of humor.
Nonsense. It hides her BEST ASSetts.
I like how she puts the face shield down when you flag her
I like how Leon is like crushed and grabs his back when he catches her in the armor
Learning about the history of speedrunning in re4 was super interesting. Its also super validating that as a kid playing the game i wasnt the only one who thought this room was stressful af
Im glad that im 10 and not scared of this game anymore🤣
I’ve been waiting for a new documentary type video for a long while. I usually don’t care much for speedruns, but you’re one of my favorite youtubers easily
thank you so much they are really fun to make and learn about i love to share
@@WaifuRuns you’re welcome man, have a good one👌🏻
I just recently got into speedrunning (enough to make a dedicated channel, lol) and just discovered this channel, and I'm really looking forward to browsing all the content! I've been playing RE4 for so long I think running it would reinvent my relationship to the game.
I like that the main goal for water hall was to make it more "fluid" kek.
Dude. It took me 20 hours to beat this recently. You speedrunners blow my mind.
Try using going out and in of the room to respawn the enemy.
24 hours for clear re4 on professional first time xD
No glitch use it took me 6:30 hr
Also, simply ,"True Dat".
Took me 10 mins just rush and if enemies clump up you shotgun their leg or head And run
Trying to do water room on professional AND without infinite rocket launcher or Chicago typewriter was a nightmare!!
Even with infinite ammo this room is still hard to pass through xD
It's made easier by standing at the door threshold, sniping however many you can before they get to you then exit and re enter. Also if you break a shield but do not kill a enemy (provided they don't come from one of the side doors) the shield will stay gone when you re enter
Pfff soft. I’ve beaten this game probably 30 times since 2005 lol
@@JukemDrawles87 K
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That was my favorite section of the game , I just love the atmosphere of the castle.
That's so funny considering I hate this room 😃
There's no words to describe how much I love this game. It was imo the perfect balance of horror and action. The only game that got this balance so good was Dead Space 2.
It’s not just the room itself, in this part of the game I’m always finding myself low on ammo before even entering the water room
Designed that way
The gaming golem strikes again. Another great video, love all the history and decisions that go into routing games optimally or more optimally than they already were.
Yep, pretty memorable room from the game. It's one I recall I always at least once a playthrough, reset because I either used too much ammo or healing items.
7 years ago when I first played RE4 I walked into that room saw the Zealot and 4 shield guys and thought: "Looks i've come to the wrong neighbourhood"
YOU PICKED THE WRONG HOUSE FOOOOO
@@camiloelgueta2213 The wrong hall!
"i'm in danger"
When I was younger it took me forever to pass this section and the one with the 2 Garrador's on professional difficulty. It really seemed like an achievement when you finished the playthrough. It really takes some careful planning.
Water room never was much of a problem for me, that base level with mike and krausers segments before i figured out to knife him were infuriating though
Ditman makes the mike section hillarious
@@damonsalvatore3222 lol yea its like for the water room it was def not a picnic and was stressful as hell but I made it through the first shot just with barely any ammo left and on yellow health. Krausers fight i kept running out of time or getting that cheap ass insta kill quick time and with that mike segment I just didnt have enough ammo originally for anything but the black tail and kept getting mobbed
@@jlogan2228 u can actually just knife krauser and not even shoot him once lol in fact I dare say it's easier to just knife him oddly
@Heavy Metal Collector same until I said fuck it and did it myself. If you purposely fail the first QTE when you get the last piece then climb back up it also sets up and gives you free hits on him
@@damonsalvatore3222 oh yea I figured that out of sheer desperation when I ran out of ammo and just slashed at him more outta frustration then it staggered him and I was like whaaaaaat so I tried again and he died on like 10 hits
I recently got a ps2 and started buying all my childhood games. This one in particular was pretty hard as a 5 year old, plus getting decapitated by the chainsaw guy made me pass out every time. But I started playing it about a week ago and have been flying through it with ease as a 23 year old, feels awesome.
Wow, pass out because you were so frightened? Do you think you have any negative lasting effects from playing a mature-rated game so young?
First time I played this at 6 I saw badass Leon get his head cut off as I was running from him and blasting him with the shotgun and I actually cried when he got his head cut off, I had never seen anything like that before and also I didn’t have a save so I was gonna have to listen to the intro every time I died. Ahh good times when I let that ps2 run for days on end
@@aaronsavage8018 got damn, SIX years old?! I laugh at the thought of a little kid crying from a game, but they really shouldn't be playing a game like this so young.
At first in the video I thought "Wait, I don't remember archers or scythe guys." Now my pride is hurt.
I just recently beat re4 for the first time, I genuinely didn’t know that this was the hardest part for most people. I had trouble with the first catapult section weirdly enough
Same, I died to the catapults but never had a issue in water hall, never even knew was meant to be hard
after the salazar boss, I stopped lol
Just did it first try on first play through and this is my strat:
Kill first lot of enemies in corner of room with tmp/red9 and shotgun/grenade when in danger or when shield guys come. Then go straight down to pressure plate room and camp in corner, killing ALL the enemies. Use the same gun strat again in this room and you once they’re all dead you can now use that crank safely. Proceed to next part where you can use rifle to shoot enemies after Ashley. Stagger the few after you with tmp/red9, shotgunning them is pretty good too. If Ashley is grabbed you will have a bit of time to save her anyway but just shoot the legs of the one carrying her but she shouldn’t take that long to finishing both. Then ur done basically
These kinds of videos that you make are some of my favorite, they're always really informative and it allows me appreciate games I enjoy even more than I already do.
Theres definitely another strategy that was used in waterhall back in the day, not sure if it was ever the meta or if it was only ever a baby strat though. it involved triggering the first crank, going back through the main door to remove the enemy aggro, and re-entering the room and sneaking around the edge so the line of dudes dont see you, and cranking the stairs right under their noses. Besides that, this was an awesome video! GGs man
Yea I asked around about that and it is a great baby strat but apparently it was never meta
You can just reload checkpoint instead of running back through the door
@@maverick5311 pretty sure reloading the checkpoint only works after you get to the top of the stairs, going through the door let’s you turn the crank without being spotted
@@tyhill111 you are correct. I throw flash then go upstairs then reload checkpoint.
These kind of "how speedrunes achieved something" videos are a drug, a hard one
This is what i subbed for
Im new in the channel and I can asure this is definitely the content I subbed for.
Same here.
Amazing video, waiting to see more of speedrun history, love your content
If only my brain could remember routes for new speedruns I would maybe attempt to learn. I mstill trying to get sub hour on Leon A in RE2 remake. Love these videos keep it up :)
you’ll get there. I did and instantly dropped the game after. Can’t be assed to deal with restarts anymore
I love whenever there`s a breakthrough in RE4 Speedrunning, always fun.
Everything about speed runs is impressive except the end result: beating a game fast.
Yeah I hate that
How is beating a game fast not impressive lol
Love this type of videos!! Waifu, never leave us please😭♥️ Regards from Chile!!
Watching this makes me want to speedrun RE4 again. I have not done a run in over a year!
Man, I'm not a speedrunner by any stretch of the imagination, but damn if I can't watch your videos all damn day. Good show dude.
One of the best and most intense combat encounters in the game. Really well designed.
Remember getting stuck on this on professional
I’m playing this game for the first time this room is making me rage I’m literally stuck in this room
I love the hole in the ceiling in the crank-activator-backroom where enemies spawns from. Took me a while to notice that hole.
Coming back to say that the re4 remake is immaculate and outstandingly good to see the Speedrun coming back alive
Keep up the good work, this video was so interesting!
It always blew my mind how the people came up with new crazy strategies for speedruns
Just played re4 for the first time and when I got here I was like “Aw shit it’s this room.”
I usually saved another file when I got to this point just so I could load up RE4 and play this particular section right away.
Awesome video, keep up the good content!
wow I knew about the Progressive Difficulty, and still I blazed through all enemies, always knowing in hindsight about making more enemies spawn in my playthroughs
9:37 oh yeah Chicago typewriter ammo
Thank you, i was looking every where for what that was
The PRL was rarely used in the PS2 version as its garbage lol
It only shoots 1 laser and it has no auto aim on the PS2 version
And it's also way slower
isnt its ammo also stupid rare? rarer than magnum bullets?
@@TheAuron32 No, it's infinite. Maybe you were thinking about the mine thrower? If that's the case, I've seen random enemies drop mine darts a few times but I don't really remember any dropping magnum ammo xD
Maybe it's like in the mercenaries where enemies don't drop magnum ammo for Wesker, all you get is the scripted ones in crates, etc
@@unsavourylittlerunt ah yeah might be that p.o.s. lol
@@unsavourylittlerunt if you have the mine thrower in your inventory.. Some will drop mine darts.. If you dont have mine thrower.. It wont drop any.
And magnum bullets do drop its just super rare rng lmao
I've played re4 since 2005 and have never known del lago comes out of the lake and eats you if you shoot it at 7:27, i've probably beaten this game 200+ times and you can still find new things its crazy.
I remember in 2013 played this on pc (previously I play this game on ps2) and had very limited ammo. Stuck for 2hours in this room, and pulling the best strats ever with my friends, The Supplex. Hit enemies in leg, and just basically flip them over until theirs head splat. Manage to take them down, but the second phase is hell, guard Ashley with sniper is literally hell. Hat off to speedrunners that pass this scene easily.
Dude I was legit scared of replaying that as a kid haha
kinda unrelated but I think this room speaks to how good the motion controls were in re4 wii. This room's difficulty spike didn't even register to me, I headshot them left and right no problem with the wiimote.
On my second attempt I stayed at the door so it couldn't close and sniped a few until the others were close, I then exited and repeated until empty. Never gave it much thought. I just have the kind of brain where I can't help but cheese stuff if possible
I kick the door to stun shield guy too
Yeah, the game basically gives you a cheat code to the first part of the room: if you find yourself in difficulty, you can always rush downstairs and use the door to stun, then kick, and knife like there's no tomorrow.
This game is a masterpiece of game design balance.
I remember once having to restart my playthrough, after arriving to that part of the game with too little ammo to kill all the guys trying to carry Ashley away, so she’s always get kidnapped with me not knowing what to do. Fun times :D
Oh boy, another comfy night watching a waifu video
Me: confused when he said there were archers in water hall cause I didn’t remember seeing any
Him: explains that if you’re just bad at the game, the archers don’t appear
Me:
Me: yeah okay that tracks
Can't stand that room XD
It's so cathartic to see it get beaten so quickly and methodically.
I didn't think the Water Hall would be the hardest room. I was thinking the Elevator bullshit, the Horde House, or the Mineshaft room.
Man i love these videos
love these recaps, speedrun history lessons are so great 👍
Regarding the PRL, I'm certain on PS2 it only shot the single laser and it was the Wii edition forward that added the room-clearing function. It also took noticeably longer to charge on PS2.
I know this may sound cliché... but I miss the early 2000's, so much. I miss being young, and I miss not knowing anything about Resident Evil at all, being scared of playing this game, and the looks of disaproval my parents gave me whenever they found me playing this.
Simpler times... happier times... it hurts so much man.
No doubt. What was your main console back then ?
@@angrymobsters1599 Playstation 2 Super Slim silver color, a gift from my Father back in christmas 2007.
Still have it working nowadays, recently started a collection out of nostalgia and love for physical games.
And yours?
A video of re4 its always welcome
Amazing video, dude. Thanks for the work.
More of these for other segments of RE4 would be cool.
5:06 PS2's PRL isn't the "Kill everything instantly" shit it became in later releases on the PS2 version, it only fired a single beam on it when fully charged, and it didn't track, had to actually aim and stuff lol.
I've known about this for years. I just didn't want to miss out on literally all of the loot if you play the room right.
Yeesssss, a Waifu upload is always a nice end to the day! :D
I never had that much trouble with this room. I had much much more trouble with the similarly designed room on the island with the lava pit in the middle and the wrecking ball after you get Ashley. It has enemies pouring into the room just like the water room only it's like 1/10th the size and you get bull rushed by 6 dudes the second you jump down. There's absolutely no time to move Ashely to a safe position and the crossbow assholes are attacking you immediately as well. That room is a giant pain.
Same
Me too. Water room wasn't too bad. Fuuuuuuck the wrecking ball room
if I remember right the PS2 version of the PLR laser gun didn't automatically lockon to all ganados on screen, it just did one shot into the place youre aiming?
p.s. really cool video man. fun and interesting to watch
You're right. They added the auto lock for the PRL in the Wii version
That's right. It was crap, except for boss battles when just a flash could kill most of them.
Congrats for 100k subs dude! Love ur videos
Eh, some wrong info, the ps2 version of the PRL could only shoot one beam out at a time, and took a solid, 5-6 seconds to fully charge. It wasn't until the wii, ps3, and xbox 360 version that the beams split up and took a second or two of charge time.
I honestly found the room with the two Wolverine fuckers and the bells way harder than the water room
Thankyou ffor creating yet another great video
I remember having amazing flow in this game after playing for months once beating the mercenaries dang
This room on professional is brutal
I subbed after the props to TGBS. My man has taste! Helps that the video is great too!
I'm no speed runner but even I knew that immediately nading shields at the start of water room is the best strat lol.
i beat the water hall the first time but then i accidentally knifed ashley while i was hitting a barrel before the platforms that ashley cranked up. then i had to replay that section.
This room on pro was something else entirely 😕 So glad i never gotta do it again
That room is brutal
The Krauser Bossfight was probably the hardest part for me, without the knife trick it was a nightmare. Damn explosive spiders and countdown timer didn't help.
Wafiu giving us the history of RE4 video that Summoning Salt never will.
That's exactly what I was thinking-
Woah, at around 3:00, what kind of ammo is the purple box?
Yeah, I've never seen it before. Maybe it's a retexture of a normal ammo box, perhaps?
Another great video from you.
Wait wait wait wait... hold up... how did he still have the jacket on leon in the intro.. it's way passed the Luis "meet" , axe dodge section... what the frick
I admire those guys..i must enjoy in every sec of the game,pick up everything,explore every corner..admire the wiew lil more..i just can't leave like this..for those who plays Subnautica,did ya know ya have table corals in Lost River.. :)
This took me 3 days. THREE DAMN DAYS. And then it's proven to be this easy?!?!?!
I heard the hardest room and thought about when the cage drops on you and you gotta fight the guardian
That was easier for me than that waterhall shit 🥴😂
I don’t do speed running but I like watching your debunking vids
Can't wait to see Speedrun of Waterhall in VR
Since i remember i always do that part in a similar way of that japanese run showed in the vid, and i can say that it looks like its one of the cleanest and the way that how has to be done. Obiously the things could turn dificcult if we forget about the real problem: Our lovely Ashley.
Awesome vid man
I remember getting shot at by archers in the hall. But I died once, the archers disappeared. Also, if you are really good at the game, more enemies spawn during the section where ashley is rotating the levers( 5 or 6 enemies attacking leon and 3 or 4 enemies attacking Ashley)
As i playwd the franchise on pc using mouse and keyboard. This had to be the most stressful game ever. The fact i could only change certain keys on the keyboard as well as the interface of RE4 is where you have to turn around then move back or 4th. Add to that i couldnt turn the background music down (i usually listen to my own) this just added pure intensness to the game. And the music and constants roar sounds when the enemy is in site really added to anxiety of playing. What an amazing game. But i will dissagree with this video the waterhall level seemed easy. It was the level where you go up the elevator and the enemies come down on top of you. But the main one for me was the rollercoaster cart part and when you just about survive it and then hang on a ledge. Pressin the pre set keyboard keys as quick as poss which was on the opposite side i played. Mega stressful. I might buy a controller and do this game again. Fantastic game none the less
Glad im not the only one who struggled with this level. Not only were the enemies overwhelming with melee and projectiles. Ashley was a bit of a liability at times since i had to not only cover my ass but hers too 🤣
Getting to the water room after getting the infinite weapons and ashley armor feels so great. REVENGE
Wow, people really sleeping on Tmp before 2016. Tmp damage and magazine size is always my priority upgrade back in ps 2 and pc. You could refill ur ammo and basically discard pistol completely. Making pistol ammo as money sources.
Whoa... I do not remember re4 looking this good
cool vid, time to play some re4, bought it on switch just recently, for some reason portable re4 is doing it for me.
They make this game look so easy. I struggle trying to fight off five enemies at once since I'm not used to the camera angle lol
I played RE4 on the Wii, when I got to that room I had no ammo and me in all my genius bought the mine launcher. It was the worst experiencie I've ever had on a game
I got a similar experience. I had all my guns fully upgraded but during the part where you face the regenerators for the 2nd time I had no ammo and there were two of them. Had to sell my guns to buy a rocket launcher and kill them, right after that the part where ashley drives the truck was next and I only had a gun and 20 bullets