The US Army's new Belt fed Machine gun. The M250 is replacing the M249
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The US Army's new belt fed Machine gun the M250 will be replacing the M249 SAW, the world is changing. Today we visit Sig and are given the rundown on the new belt fed machine gun that US Service Members will be carrying. The M250 fires the potent 6.8x51 (277 Fury) Hybrid cased round. It should be noted that due to the more secretive nature of the projectile used in this weapon that accuracy testing could not be done and all rounds after firing had to be pulled from the sand berm. In the future we will likely be visiting upon those two points.
00:00 The US Army's new Belt Fed Machine gun the M250
2:07 SIG M250 Review begins
5:15 SIG M250 Suppressor
9:02 The Barrel and 277 Fury Hybrid round
14:40 SIG M250 BIPOD
16:10 SIG M250 Ammunition feeding / ammunition pouches
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As a former M249 gunner, I did in fact sprain my ankle (security halt before crossing a 4 lane highway) during an over land movement, landed right on top of my saw, broke the cheap plastic 200 rd box and had to run across a linear danger area (said highway) limping and tripping up in a 200 round belt while my entire platoon was already on the far side of the road laughing their asses off. I would have very much loved to live with this M250.
Id rather fall in a well at night with this vs a 249 thats for sure!
Well those 200rd boxes are ass to be honest
Lucky you still have your teeth
Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
"All m240 gunners laughing their ass off"
Probably...
I find that the M5 wasn't such a huge advancement over the M4, but the M250 is definitely a great advancement over the M249
Yea, I don't see the m5 becoming mainstream in the military, but this thing just might.
To be honest, the 6.8x51 cartridge and electronic optical system pairing is the main benefit anyway, they wanted the m5 to be as mechanically similar to the m4 as possible for familiarity in ease of operation.
If anything it at least shares the same cartridge. But yeah the m5 isn't leaps and bounds better than the m4. But who knows maybe its one of those small things thats more important than it seems.
The military service rifle didnt need to be completely revamped and replaced. The M4 platform is near perfect, easy for maintenance, extremely customizable. The only downfall was the cartridge size. While 277 fury is an odd round, its a neccesary advancement for conflicts of the future. Essentially all threats the US will be facing from here on out will be wearing body armor.
@@ethanonan7709 The M5 is already going to the primary service rifle for all combat units.
That 6.8 round is a formidable LMG round. It has a respectable rate of fire too, the business end of that thing is certainly terrifying.
It's not worth the money over the .308/7.62x51 though ... way to drain the tax payer more.
@@mbdulkapurchased in bulk the difference in price is negligible.
@@mbdulka Absolutely.
SIG is really loving the taxpayer money.
@@nlmaster9811 There are already billions of .308 rounds available ... this is simply the equivalent of an Apply charging port over USB-C ... something specialty meant to make the manufacturer maximum profit while not really offering anything new to the consumer.
@@mbdulkawhat are you even talking about
They used this round because it can penetrate mild bullet proof vests unlike 5.56 but it's also lighter and has less recoil compared to 7.62 and is more accurate.
There’s something so utterly horrifying about something laying down that much firepower that quickly with such little observable recoil. I don’t know how it feels to fire obviously, but if you can keep the groupings within a foot at range; that’s all you need for suppressive fire. Downright terrifying.
Well that would be the case if you are five feet away but lmgs are meant for suppressing an specific area
@@BraulioHernandez-sj6cv exactly, they're area weapons. Buddy above doesn't know about the cone of fire 😒
@@dillonhillier yeah machine gunners are meant as a support role to heavy to run around some people be playing to much cod thinking you can sprint around effortlessly with and lmg
@@BraulioHernandez-sj6cv I mean, you certainly run with an LMG. I was a C9 gunner, you're part of the rifle section and therefore participate in section attacks the same as a rifleman.
I’m blown away with how they just nonchalantly one handed a machine gun. I was expecting something with a decent amount of weight, not AR-15 kind of weight. Looks like a massive game changer. Now soldiers can carry even more ammo, since the weapon is lighter.
Gotta love how the immediate thing that will be done with the extra carrying capacity is to carry more weight in the form of ammo instead of just letting the soldier's backs rest a little. Obviously it makes sense, more ammo means fewer chances of running dry during a tough situation so it will end up saving soldiers's lives, but it's still funny. It's like how governments always add more streets and more lanes to existing streets and then people immediately fill them up with cars so the traffic issue never gets solved.
@@bonogiamboni4830 Bandolier perk OP.
@@bonogiamboni4830 If they had a highspeed rail connecting two towns I wouldn't have to drive 37 minutes to get to work. I absolutely agree with you
I was happy until that last line 😐
@@jeremiahfink5440 you cant say that here!!!
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high speed rail is a democrat talking point!!!!!
1:03. The way he just picks it up flawlessly with 1 arm should show how much of an improvement this weapon is. Then again, this is flannel daddy strength.
Lol yeah.
His mustache tho
Are you sure? I googled the weight of both, do not see that much of a difference
They are both roughly 7.5 kilo.
@@TehF0cus the 250 is 12 lbs. The saw is 18
338 norma belt fed. dreams are now reality. what a fantastic machine.
I'm kinda sad that I never got opportunity to use the M250 or the M5 they look like they would of really helped in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2011. And they look really fun to shoot too
We badly need this in the Philippine Marine Corps. The Marine infantry needs this.
The military is always preparing for the previous war. The guys in Vietnam would probably have loved to have had some of the toys you did.
@@travelingspartan2035 the good thing about Ukraine (if you can call it a good thing) is all the Field Testing and Data NATO is getting from sending all the Equipment that they are sending to help the Ukraine's fight a "conventional war" it'll help refine tactics and equipment. Cause the "Next War" is looking to be a "Modern Conventional War"
Obviously it won't look exactly like Ukraine cause Russia will Learn Some things, but it will give a starting point to adapt from.
@@chrisc9769 agreed. You just know our DOD watching from the outside is taking tons of notes.
@@travelingspartan2035 Never can prepare for the current war because nobody has a magic seeing stone. Technologies adopte din the 90s and 00s haven't been tested out sufficiently because we haven't had truly big conflicts. I know you take pride in how the upgraded M4 platforms did in Afghanistan, for example, but that's just low intensity guerilla warfare.
The fact that Papa thumb lifted the whole entire gun with one hand in the beginning with ease just shows you how much lighter it is compared to the M249 and the M240
Nah he is just strong af
@@jestembotak7344 look at the end the guy hand out the gun arm fully stetch out with 1 hand
like vision lifting mjolnir like its no big deal lmao
It’s beautiful, ain’t it? Literally able to lift up that no big deal is incredible and something many former 249 SAW gunners are longing for
It’s unloaded so that’s gonna take off a lot of weight especially with the new heavier ammo. The ammo gonna make a big difference in anyones ability to held it straight out one handed
"Your hearing loss is not service related"
**New generation of firearms all come with a suppressor*
Suppressors for artillery and mortar guys. They all have hear loss. For real.
@@potter3050 i mean, there is that comically large tank suppressor that looks like a cock. Maybe something similar could be done for arty? Though it would have to be even more comical.
@@potter3050 even if they just made a "muzzle break" that deflected the gas away......... that would help a TON
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the arty guns all have a pretty aggressive break on them....
some are worse than others (usually the small and light ones.... to save on the recoil compensater hydraulics/weight)
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but ya.... im sure the guys would pack more weight to still be able to hear after they get out............
Tank Suppresors are huge, so how would ARTILLERY have suppressors that can be small? Artillery guns are stronger than most tanks.
I dunno bubba I'm just saying it'd be really considerate because the guys I know all have hearing aids and have to read lips and shit. We got B2 spirits Ohio class boomers,let's put some of dough into our boys ear protection.
" I know that's not precise, but neither is a machine gun " No truer words have ever been said...
absolutely brilliant, so much fun to watch this
13:01 - I love it how those stupid 45-degree offset iron sights had to be implemented because of "Army requirements", but then SIG silently engineered them so that they can also be mounted vertically. Sometimes you have to protect you customers from themselves.
They also "silently engineered" a quick swap barrel, already a cutout for a handle 😂. The stock is easily swapped with a folding one too.
Yup, it really looked like SIG decided to design to meet Army requirements AND to actually work. Kudos
If by "silently engineered" you mean reinvented a solution that has already been on the civilian market for a decade.
@@cstgraphpads2091 You don't understand their meaning.
That's all fine and dandy but make no mistake, those are $200+ iron sights.
I have vivid memories of range control walking around with spray bottles, like Windex bottles, full of CLP and at the slightest hint of a malfunction they'd come running over to dowse your SAW with as much freedom sauce as it could handle. The first time you pulled the trigger afterwards you'd get bukkaked with CLP and unburnt powder.
Mmm and food tastes that much better with CLP in your fingernails and face.
@@gace1200 better than Texas Pete's.
Hilarious!
What's clp
@@_Sallylovesblood Cleaner, Lubricant and Protectant. Also, range control doing that shit is one of the reasons people had so many malfs on range day
I was a 249 SAW gunner in the Army. This piece of equipment I would love to try. I loved the 249.
As a M249 gunner, I'd take this to the field ANY DAY. I hate the bipod flopping around on the 249 (if you know, YOU know), and the nutsack falling off.
The weigth reduction is literally insane. That alone is such a ridiculous quality of life improvement for the average soldier that its already a worthy replacement for the M249
Don't worry, leadership will see that weight loss as an opportunity to have troops carry more miscellaneous kit lol
@@howarth144051 ⬆️
That… 🤦🏾♂️ 😂
seeing him lift the gun up with one hand like it weights nothing really surprised me
Lighter gun heavier ammo.
It’s ok you will just carry more ammo to make up for that reduced weight so the weight will still be the same in the end.
Really felt that comment about whenever you’re maneuvering with the SAW the first thing you gonna notice is that there is a plasticbox’s on the ground and a 200 round belt dragging behind you. Practically my life as a lefty saw gunner in the Norwegian army.
Being a lefty in the military is not a fun experience😂
@@treyrhodes163 Thankfully with the M16A4 it wasn't bad. Also, when in Iraq and back stateside, being left handed with the AK was quite comfortable as I didn't have to do the reach around to rack the round.
@@treyrhodes163 I’m left handed yet I use rifle-style and handgun-style weapons as a right handed person lmao, using on left makes me feel weird.
@@acentrixes1380 you may be right eye dominant.
@@acentrixes1380 crossed eye dominant
Wow, now that's a machine gun. I used to teach the GPMG (M60) British Army and the SAW for Iraq 2004. Good times! Love the reviews guys keep up the great work.
The brits never used the M60 they used the MAG
Actually the GPMG is the British version of the M60.
@@richie99011 the GPMG isnt an M60 its a MAG
@@richie99011the GPMG is an FN Mag.
British army we had the 100rnd nutsack which was actually alright. One day I was issued the plastic 200rnd box and thought I was awesome, straight out of CoD4. The second I ran with that thing loaded, the box fell off just like you said! Plastic tab underneath was garbage
Wow, now I feel old.
The M60 was the beast and when the 249 replaced it, we said the same thing you're now saying about this 250. The SAW was a huge improvement in the manueverability and versatility over 7.62 MG, not so much in penetration. Looks like we are going back to a round that solves that problem.
The only weapon, vehicle or gear that has not changed since I served from 86-09 was the "ma deuce". Now, you implied that's on the fence.
@McRod; if its any consolation, Ma Deuce only recently was upgraded to "A2" designation, the main improvement being the fixed headspace instead of the old adjustable one. That gun will be in the inventories of the world for at least another generation. There's not much out there that can replace it.
The last M2 gunner has yet to be born.
We started getting new m60e6 refurbished kits before I left the rtmc, still a beast but even better and great ROF, balance and still being able to do one handed loading what's not to love. This thing looks like chunky over engineered 249 on roids.
The penetration problem was tackled with 6.5mn round ! I need to ask why that caliber wasnt adopted by the Armed Forces ?
I think the MA Duece will out last the next "innovation" that sucker is over 100 years old and it's still young.
I carried the M60 back in the very early seventies. This gun is awesome. My M60 weighed 27 pounds with 7.62 51 ammo. We never had suppressed weapons. Would love to shoot one of these weapons. What an advancement.
Yea I feel it I carry the even heavier 240B
Long live the pig!
@@daytonraught629 Carry that shit all the way to NTC and back
That intro clip was great. Thats is what I want Modern Warfare 2 to look like when I pull up on my teammate. What a magnificent weapon and operator.
M60 was a killer.
I was a squad leader by time the saw came to the Corp, never humped one but fam fired the shit outta a couple on float...
I like the m-60.
Old Corp.
s/f
Such a great and informative episode. Might be one of my all time favorite episodes
Love dudes nonchalant rip on the cost of ammo 😂Señor Thumbs look into camera killed me. Though I will say, I know what I want for Christmas now
When I enlisted in the Army, the first weapon I was issued at my company was the M249. At first I hated lugging the thing around, but once I got deployed and they gave me attachments and a 100 round drum instead that heavy ass 200 round box, it became my favorite weapon.
I'm jealous for the new soldiers that will get their hands on this baby
The suppressor tech is actually really interesting. Less gas in your face is awesome
Keeping it from melting is impressive too
OSS has had this for a while now
@@roberttsmith6010 c_*,
Man am I glad Binary Trigger's and Forced Reset Triggers exist, so as a US Citizen I too can have a machine gun. Eat your heart out ATF.
@@yakivpopavich And even if they outlaw that, you can just straight up CNC mill or print out a select fire trigger group for most firearms now.
I never been more impressed with a gun company than Sig’s rise to getting more weapons into the military. Yes they are a big firearms company but growing up and actually seeing a firearms company rise continuously & almost seems non stop rise with getting more out
M60 was what we had back in my day. Equipment and technology has changed significantly since the early 1970’s. Great video
If you've ever held the barrel of a short recoil operated machine gun during maintenance, got distracted and moved the barrel back and forth several times, go and hit that subscribe button!
Why doesn't he say those lines anymore, that's what made the channel
Let's just say, I'm easily distracted..
@@undisputed1one I think he's trying to go more professional
As a former SAW gunner I am jealous, the SAW was so fragile, broke pins on it all the time just randomly setting up for support by fire
@Timothy Mckee yeah, I had one have 2 pins walk out during suppressive fire drills and another one had the feed tray break when I laid prone
How fragile was it exactly?
@@johnfan1015 fragile enough that my feed tray got bent, or the bipod would snap
@@johnfan1015 theyre crap. you have those that say as long as you clean them super good you won't have issues. yea when you're waking 20 plus miles in desert, getting in multiple fire fights the amount of jams and times the gun will go down is absurd. I had mine go down after a 400 round belt it would just refuse to shoot. To add to it it's darn heavy more than likely heavier than this.
I bet you SAW some shit... 😆
For a weapon that light, and a round that size, the recoil looks incredibly manageable
Thanks for rockin' the machine gunner mustache. Kept me fully immersed throughout the video.
Was definitely not expecting the M250 to be showcased by you this morning but… WOW! You made it look easy managing the recoil which was one of the main concerns with the new caliber and the significantly higher pressures it deals with. Excited for our troops to get their hands on this weapon and excited to try this on the range.
Those bipods rotate 3 different directions, just like the Navy.
@@esoterico6062 good point! Still the engineering of the weapon to manage recoil still amazes me, also Daddy Garand’s recoil management! ;)
@@soonerfrac4611 Couldn’t have said it better!
@@esoterico6062 still those training rounds looked like nothing to GT. I know the full power will be more powerful but it won’t be 3x as powerful. Maybe 20-30% more. So will definitely be manageable
@@esoterico6062 On Friday they picked a few people to shoot the XM250. One was a small woman, and two were teenagers. From the prone they had no trouble with recoil that I could see. Ammo was the hybrid and appeared to be full power.
I just watched him go through a whole belt without having to clear a malfunction, so it’s already better than every M249 I’ve seen in the Marine Corps.
(Stand by for machine gunners complaining the guns aren’t taken care of properly)
Nah, just that Marines get all the shittiest equipment, aren't actually trained to any special level but get praised like they're some sort of "Special Forces Unit" ROFL
@@mrdark9916 how are you just gonna spit lies like that? Water is wet, the sky is blue and marines get trained to a special level, it's common knowledge and you're over here lying.
@@mrdark9916 nobody has ever claimed Marines were a special forces unit
@@mrdark9916 They’re trained more than the Army and have stricter requirements for entry. They’re essentially a stopgap between regular soldier and special forces. Marines are some of the dumbest sons of bitches in the armed forces, but they are mean in combat and effective at what they do lol. At least give them that level of respect.
@@mrdark9916 they do received extra training but it’s because they’re not really meant to be normal infantry, even though that is typically how they get utilized. But not really “specops”, just specialized for amphibious operations and ship boarding
Pupils dilated and chills down my back watching that intro….my kind of weapon!
That intro clip was great. Thats is what I want Modern Warfare 2 to look like when I pull up on my teammate. What a magnificent weapon and operator.
The engineering that went into this weapon was definitely based around the user. This weapon is absolutely amazing, cuts down on all the BS of a 249.
They lost me at no carry handle and canted sights.... but of course the Army wanted that because its Army Logic... what a total *facepalm* decision that im not surprised our Army made...
At least the canted sights can be adjusted to the normal spot, this company worked with what they could and i respect them for it
I just can't wait for a soldier to go cyclic, gun goes *Ku-Chunk* and when you could have just pulled the barrel off and pull the actual round out of the barrel... you now have a hot barrel without a carry handle
good luck to all you future SAW gunners in the dark especially 😂
Now of only they could do that for cars and trucks.
@@KEVENSIN crying about a product you will never own or shoot
@@i-_-am-_-g1467 probably not anymore now... the SAW was alright though, you just had to stay on top of cleaning it
@@i-_-am-_-g1467 You vill on notzing and you vil be heppy!
Of course it’s better, it has one more “M” than the M249! That clearly shows superiority
“Doesnt that make it more deadly?”
-the left probably
They achieved a lot with just one additional M. Makes one thinks what the M251 will be; 251 Ms probably means lasers
What about the m2 then 🤣
@@victoriaregina8344 They actually intentionally gave it that little amount of Ms in an attempt to contain John Browning's power
Man am I glad Binary Trigger's and Forced Reset Triggers exist, so as a US Citizen I too can have a machine gun. Eat your heart out ATF.
Enjoyed the show and love the intro lol 😂 so excited and ate my popcorn so fast wow what a video
Well even participating is very cool. ❤. Dig the whole Cap America look. My whole family is also purchasing the plot in Scotland my wife excited
The moment I saw him lift it up and forward with one hand blew my mind. Had to look it up right away: with the suppressor and bipod attached it weighs less than an empty m249.
The fact that he lifts the gun one handed with ease. Shows how SIG knows their stuff
I looked it up and I found that it weighs 16.2lbs empty
@@Menkii i mean compared to a minime para thats a great margin
@@Menkii they finally took a look at how the russians PKP weighs less than the american counter parts and actually made the shit weigh less
@@Menkii where did you look that up, because it's under 13lbs... according to this video and many others as well as Wiki
Hehe I dunno if that was a John Rambo reference. But good point...
I'm more enthralled by the conversations between you two (and Micah), than the actual weapon system.
Unintentional Sig advertising based on this guy's down to earth sense of humor.
Also: MCX Bullpup?!
Personally I think the guy sucks
That's exactly what I thought. I'm curious about their lost projects.
Great character and charisma. Keep it up ❤ from Australia 😊
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I wish Sig’s XM7 rifle had a reciprocating barrel system. This MG’s recoil mitigation is incredible.
Recoil migration will have added more weight on the rifle. It's less of a matter on an LMG and the GPMG cause most of the time it's on a bipod or mounted makes more sense on them vs the XM7.
As a former SAW gunner, that thing looks awesome! Most likely will not replace the M240 in the near future because the requirement for bottom droppers vs side chuckers in several vehicle coax applications; bottom droppers are easier to capture the spent casings in a dunnage box so they don't get all inside the turret.
The MG338 is the replacement for the 240, it shoots a 338 Norma mag and is meant to replace everything that is not a .50
Actually they are making conversion uppers for the m240b. They are gonna switch to 6.8x51.
@@sierracosta47 while I don't doubt that, I find it unlikely that they won't just adopt a different platform(they just replaced the golden goose that is the M4 when they could've just replaced calibers) 338 Norma Mag has been officially adopted already, with ballistics that are close to that of .50 bmg in a smaller, man portable caliber that is able to fit in a regular magnum chambering so you can put it in anything from a precision rifle to an GPMG, I don't see them wasting money in legacy platforms that are not designed to handle 6.8's 80k psi when they could just get the new toy. The MGs are what the army really wanted to replace, and SIG delivered two good brand new platforms in appropriate calibers, while adding an average rifle that will likely get shelved
If I have an equivalent round, why would anyone hump a 240. I think this will replace a lot of M240s in the dismounted world.
@@paulrussel1000 I'm a Canadian Machine Gunner Veteran. So would this replace your M240 and your GPMG or is this just replacing your squad weapon
I carried the F89 in the Australian Army Reserve, which is the Australian version of the M249. This looks like a huge upgrade that I would have loved to use.
G’day from Sydney bloke 🍻
@@youwebz Hello from Brisbane 😃
Heh I fired one of those in cadets at Singleton NSW. Nice.
Hey man, is 38 too old to join the Army Reserve if I can do the 20 push ups?
Another f89 reserve gunner here. Old and worn out guns. Smooth bore barrels half the time. useless m16 mag holder. Worst issue i've seen is the gas piston snap on the range and 1 cook off which kept going until the ammo ran out. I dont miss lugging it around.
F89 is due for a replacement.
I don't think it can be overstated how nice it would be to have every weapon in the Platoon suppressed. I know that the few times I got in a TIC, I was NOT wearing earpro. And I was definitely feeling it... well, "hearing it", for the next few days.
Marine Corps is doing just that in the infantry
That thing looks so sturdy, low recoil keeping sights on target is always a good thing 👍
When I served in the Army, the M249 was just being rolled out, and the infantry were the only ones with them. I served in the armored cav and we still used the M60.
Thank you for your service
Thank you for your service. How reliable was the M60 in your experience, if you don’t mind me asking?
The Army should’ve just re-adopted the M60, the newest version the M60E6 runs great.
Would rather have a MG3 on the battlefield. 82nd Airborne 504th "Devils" Hated the "Pig" M60. Didnt like the M240G Either. Rather hump the M.G.3. And have a fast barrel change.
@@Covey7342 The M250 is better than the M60 because the cartridge puts out more energy than 308. Although I do agree that the M240 was kind of pointless. All they had to do was manufacture new M60. Not only would it have been cheaper, it would have been less awkward to use.
Seeing you lift it with one arm straight out in the first minute and a half already told me a lot about how light this weapon is!
Daddy garand is strong 💪
Ive got some VERY special sand from the Sahara desert, if you want to buy
I noticed they didnt say weight. Is that for security reasons?
@@peterpede6601 I'll see your sand and raise you a jar of dirt
@@justryan5697 Gosh darn it.. the Feds want in
Yes exactly drop the drum and drag the ammo! Every single movement! The good old days look bringing back so many memories
Maybe the army can split the difference between the XM5 and the XM250. Use the 6.8 for rifles designed to take the heavy round count (like the 250 or a DMR version of the XM5) and continue to use a version of the M4 for general issue.
This should be the priority over the M5, getting these to units first is a must do over the M5. Especially when some units saws are broken or just keep getting duct taped up by armament so the last for a field exercise then break again.
Plus it would simplify logistics. Machine gun ammo is not exactly the most efficient small arms munnion to ship, so the sooner they get to the new standard, the less money and mistakes will be bleeding out the logistical side.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj the real heart of the matter.
The Army’s official statement is that the weapons will be issued once there is a sufficient stockpile of 6.8X51
Preach 😭, a lot of our saws are worn out
Yessir, 100%! Plus the feeding, loading, and some safety aspects have been enhanced, so training time for new machine gunners has been drastically reduced, and ease of operation in high stress situations has been increased! This needs to get to line units asap before China really starts acting up! Marines, Airborne, and 10th Mountain and 25th ID first!
I like how quickly Garand Thumb got this weapon, and the XM5 before it, dialed in. I think this bodes very well for the weapons’ adoption in the larger Army as a whole. If he can do it as quickly as he has without the infrastructure of the Army then there’s no reason to assume that the Army will encounter insurmountable obstacles of their own
He also doesn’t have the bureaucracy to deal with though. That’s a big advantage for him.
yeah bit SIG wins at the moustache competition.
Don’t underestimate the collective retardation of the military.
They won't use their ARs against your ARs. They want better than civilians when they go after civilians.
@@comradeoblivious526, plus he is far more intelligent then your average ground pounder.
Here I was researching the sound of the weapon and little did I know I'd be watching a Wes Anderson film! Great cinematography :)
Beautiful unit.
As a former small arms repairman, I fucking hated working on 249s. They were always broken as shit, tons of small parts that needed replacing all the time. No one ever took care of them either, so they'd get REALLY bad before anyone noticed they'd need to be brought in. I think honestly its biggest weakness was something no one really thinks about: the accessory rails. They were designed to mount into the cooling vents on the bottom part of the receiver, since the weapon wasn't originally designed with them in mind. Those rails had to be tight enough to hold zero with a PEQ. Problem was, over time the rails would become loose as they oblonged the holes they mounted to, and once that happened you had to condemn the entire gun because it was receiver damage. Also, if you broke the bracket that the belt box mounted to, which also happened quite a bit, you also had to condemn the entire gun. Feed pawl springs falling out, ejectors breaking, bolt faces deforming, etc. Pretty much every 249 that ever came into my shop in Afghanistan needed a complete rebuild. I think I had done close to a thousand of them over the 3.5 years I was there.
I find it interesting that they gave up on the quick change barrel altogether, but it doesn't surprise me because no one ever changes barrels on machine guns anyway. Hopefully this thing is a lot more sturdy, because if so it's basically superior to the 249 in every way.
It also didnt help that every 249 had to have two full size barrels to be “operational”
Then every unit i ever visited as a Fox, had a plethora of short barrels… Deadlined all crew served weapons 😂
I was a 240 gunner, and I remember the first time I was drilling for EIB, being absolutely disgusted by how loose the bolt assembly was on the SAW. It would wiggle and shift as you're trying to send it back home, and if you angled it wrong you could drop the bolt face inside the receiver. Just blew my mind after living with how solid the fit was on 240s.
91f gang
I’m sure the taliban will be able to fix them up to be perfectly functional. 🤷♂️
Weird. We got the belgian made Minimi (OG M249) and we LOVED the Minimi !
Not a lot of problems unless we used blanks
Question (genuine) ; were your M249 built in the US or in Belgium ? Maybe quality standards were a bit higher here
I know for sure that every weapon we receive from FNH is extensively tested on their range before being sent to us...
We ABUSED them for decades without real problems and even retrofited last batches to Mk3+ standards without any serious troubles
Last note, i also knew that lot of units (even within our Army) really misused Minimi's (doctrine wise) and really asked them too much when they were originally made to "fill a firepower gap" our carbines got in our light infantry doctrine used to have
As one of the (apparently) few people who didn't have many problems and enjoyed carrying our minimi I was apprehensive about Sig's machine gun. Seeing it actually broken down in-depth like this makes me a lot more excited to see it get further into proper use and if this technology really picks up.
But the brits also think the L85A3 is AWESOME lol :( can't wait till 2024 👌🏻
Never had an issue with the saw either. No idea what people are talking about that hated it.
The only part that makes zero sense is getting rid of the M249 and not the M240. This gun replaces the role of the M240 more than the M249 as the capacity of the M249 and the new semi auto trigger packs with it is better for fire supremacy since you can keep the fire up longer than the sig offering. 7.62x51 is going to be heavy and slow without any advantage in comparison to the new higher pressure cartridge.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj the reason they are swapping this for the m249 is because they are swapping the M4. it makes all the sense in the world, it was the same reason the adopted the m249, ammo interchangeability with infantry rifles. the m249 would be a logistical nightmare after the M5 gets distributed.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj This gun will not be as effective as a M240 for platoon support and support by fire roles. No quick change barrel.
Great video! “Mr. Sig” is such and awesome person. Micha, you better listen to him. 😂😂
During my PLDC at Ft. Carson in the 90's, I was on point with the M60 as we were patrolling. (MILES gear, blank adaptors, blank rounds). My squad came under attack from above on both sides of the wadi we were in. I scrambled up the left side, turned around and planted in the prone and opened up. About 3 seconds later, every aggressor was dead. Sadly, I was the only survivor from my squad. But I killed the shit out of the enemy with that thing. Even with blanks, the M60 just kicked ass. Loved that weapon.
St. John is such a Gen X professional. It's so asymmetrical and incongruent with this whole channel, Mike's Millennial energy and Gen Z appeal and I love it.
Side note: with the US Army’s current difficulty in recruiting I’d bet that they are doing a lot of talking about how they can possibly utilize guys like Garand Thumb and Mike Glover.
They better be paying him a small fortune for his shilling.
You spelled “based” with a lot of letters man.
@@wockitinmypocket #1 I don’t know nor care what “based” means #2 don’t speak to me #4 your mother: 💀
If Garand started shilling for Woke Milley I'd be very disappointed.
If the U.S Army wants to fix it's recruiting problem. END THE WOKE BULLSHIT. Honestly I don't see anything changing until either the GOP retakes the Congress or one chamber in which Biden will lose all of his leverage and/or Biden resigns between now and 2024.
Motorize that baby, involve a slide spring for recoil absorption and a cooling plug-in that'll work off a truck and make a 7.62/.308 hybrid with a bolt lock down feature that takes all the gas out to the round, then rack back into your s.a/a
Need stabilizator underburnwarming for changes of intesification fire flow
That stare after talking about the price of .338......I feel that in my soul.
Also we gonna need to see that Bullpup MCX real quick. Imagine how compact? Like a Canebreak even shorter with a superior suppressed barrel.
I would go broke if Sig dropped a 6.8x51 bullpup
Hold on "They looked at like ..... A workplace hazard for the operator" I mean any situation where you are using it I imagine to have *several* OSHA violations per second.
I love the return to zero conversation on the feed cover optic mount. Its a machine gun, as long as its pretty close itll work.
Damn...
What was that music used for the intro? (with the gun blazing all the way)
Because it was both really catchy and epic...
As a former SAW gunner this looks like a huge improvement over the 249. Experienced the bullshit cans falling off when the doves would wear out. Just started watching but my only downside would say loading on the move you can angle a 249 to load on the move, but this does not appear to have the ability to lift the feed tray cover. I carried mine without the paratrooper stock and it was a pain in the ass to get in the shoulder pocket during CQB situations. So much so I would rather take an AK with me and a shit ton of mags. Overall this just looks amazing
Stand corrected on the loading so badass
Dude I hated the worthless safety button that I always find on fire when I did a short sprint to a covered position. I loved my SAW! Kept that bitch super clean and can't remember how many nut sacks I had to pick up on maneuvers... Lol... M250 was smartly designed by actual people that used the 249.
Also this thing is 4.8lbs lighter (although the ammo might make up for that difference depending on the barrel on it) than the 249 and less than half the weight of the 240B
As both a 240 and 249 machine gunner in the Army, I definitely do like the improvements they made to the 250 to make the new machine gun. That being said, I was trained from basically day 1, that you never use a safety on an open bolt weapon. This is mainly due to open bolts being stupid easy to override said safety and have a weapon discharge. So we always carried the weapon on closed bolt, and when you were ready to engage, you racked then pulled the trigger. If the bolt is in the forward position, that weapon will not fire ever. So while I appreciate the safety on their new machine gun, I do believe it's a little redundant.
The 1911 has redundant safeties. If you think about it, there's 3 safeties on that gun
It's a single action only so if you can load a round and drop the hammer without firing, you would have the safety feature of needing to cock it. Then the thumb safety. Then the grip safety.
My point being: Redundant safety features are par for the course with big Army. Which makes a little sense because if you take a dumbass grunt with an ASVAB waiver, and give him a chance to have a negligent discharge, the result could kill an innocent citizen caught in a war zone which could be viewed as a war crime. Or at the very least, looks bad when used in enemy propaganda.
Ultimately, this can be solved with training and raising the fucking standards. Instead, the Army solves problems with redundant safety features
So a safety that held the bolt closed (and keep the pin from being struck) would be much more useful.
@@firewing1319 the firing pin is fixed in open bolt machine guns. There is no hammer to strike the firing fin. The firing pin is exposed as the bolt closes, strikes the primer and as the bolt unlocks it is shielded by the bolt.
Carrying closed bolt is asking to die. How are you going to return supressing fire when being shot at during a patrol? If you first have to rack the boly back before returning fire you're a dead man. I never heard of anyone having a unwanted shot because he had the m249 on safe.
I rather go on a patrol being ready to shoot immediately with a very small risk of a spontaneous discharge (just dont drop the damn thing on a hard surface) than walking around with an unracked bolt guaranteed being slow to respond when shot on.
@@menknurlan This guys’ description matches my understanding of a lot of 0331s. You seem to be conflating simply taking contact with being on the receiving end of a close ambush. If you’re taking potshots from outside of 300yds, you have time to rack a bolt.
Great chemistry. LOVE THE DYNAMIC!
Perfect for back to school !
It’s an absolute joy seeing garand try and reign in his memingness around the Sig professionals. Really brought in a great combi
The chemistry between the two was incredibly fun to watch.
@@stephenreed3381 I found them really awkward to start with.
@@xxGARYXGLITTERxx tought the same.
@@xxGARYXGLITTERxx agree but they got quite a bit better as it went.
Wow! That thing looks pretty incredible. Shoulder firing a gun like that and being able to keep it on target is amazing. Light weight, controllable recoil and it doesn't look like it wants to point at the sky with every shot. Absolutely love that the barrel is designed to move and soak up some of the recoil.
They were firing low-power training ammo, weren't they?
I thought the M249 was a great weapon. This thing is incredible.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 6.8
@@toffeecandy9854 6.8 what? 6.8x51/277FURY has several types of cartridge models, youtubers usually shoot low-power and relatively low-cost training ammo (monometal brass casings).
Reciprocating barrels like that are just awesome.
I was in the army reserve as an infantry 60 gunner when the change was made from the M60 to the M249. None of us were happy at the time, as it seemed we were giving up a lot of oomph for a few more plips downrange. But then... we got them, and holy crap, we could put a lot more lead downrange of course, but it all got there SO much faster - way easier to adjust fire. And they didn't jam, and they were a lot lighter. I was converted. I wished I had started with those, as an assistant gunner, (one of the worst jobs ever - schlepping extra M60 barrels, tripod and ammo, along with your own pack and rifle). There's definitely something to be said for lighter everything. It looks like the new replacement does very well too, and looks to be a better cross between stopping power and weight/fire rate.
that's a cool gun. And also, the Germans with the MG-42 did the same thing with the bipod, you could fold it up and it would hook into the holes underneath the barrel
The coolest gun. The best features while retaining simplicity. SIG really outdid themselves here.
Can't wait to see a video on the .338 version...that is a MONSTER.
I'm hoping that it becomes the replacement for the 240 in infantry platoons. Would make it so a weapons team could melt small vehicles just by pointing a gun team at them.
@@Kasr-Tyrok the Sig MG 338 basically uses near anti material rifle/sniper rifle ammo with a barrel 6in longer than said rifle, and can shoot accurately past a kilometer away while still being able to penetrate armor
imagine being some dudes taking extremely effective suppressive fire from 1500 yards out😭😭😭.
@@saltyfloridaman7163 And being light enough for one man to carry.
@@johndarbyjd126 IKR LMAO, could really mess some shit up.
Sig Sauer makes some incredible guns and this is no different. I used to carry a 25lbs (35 lbs with box) M/58 (I'm Swedish).
Looking forward to this weapon system.
As a SAW gunner... this straight up makes me want to re up. 😂
Everything about this is amazing. I caught myself starting at it with jaw dropped multiple times as they showed different unique aspects like the feed tray and how to load the nut sacks. Mwah, perfection. *Hat nod owed to SIG*
that “less toxic gas” suppressor is actually a really cool, interesting requirement.
I believe it has something similar to a tank/artillery fume extractor (but miniaturized) built in.
@@solarissv777 Nope. Flow-through suppressors are a fairly new concept only made possible by 3D printing.
@@immikeurnot nah. New to America, yes, with it's famously poor public safety laws regarding cancer causing chemicals. Switzerland and Germany have been ahead of the curve for years now.
@@vincea1830 That isn't true at all LMAO.
@@AR15andGOD how?
That is very interesting and I'm wondering if the M 24OB is next to be replaced on the list.
I'm surprised I just found this creator. Tons of fun at the fingertips. My MOS and being a girl I didn't get to fire many weapons but I did get to shoot a 50 cal and m60 for fun.
The M250 *is* exactly one better than the M249. That's just Science.
Trust the science.
Just like 11 is one more than 10.
@@vmpgsc ... Why don't you just make 10 louder?
The M250 is definitely my favorite thing to come out of all of these Sig contracts and it's kind of been overshadowed by all of the moaning around the M5. The weight savings plus increase in firepower is crazy
I wanna see a hunting rifle built on the M5's action.
Handles like a SAW, hits like a Bravo
big time. Minimi is a heavy boi. The way he just lifted it with one arm at the end had my jaw on the floor
@@atropa4111 yeah there's no way I'm holding out a M249 like that. It's crazy how light the M250 is
Congratulations G.T. ! Your videos of this/these new weapons have made it to the DARK TECH series!
Garand, what was that cheeky laugh about the bipod at 14:52 for haha.. please fill me in haha - straight face as soon as your man looked back at you
Great sense of humor for these guys. Got GT a couple times. Thanks Sig for sending a great ambassador for your products.
I'm a machine gunner 0331. That's a awesome weapon. I ran with the 249 in my day. The new one seems to be a bit better. I miss shooting full fun. SEMPER FI
Rah
@@GarandThumb is the guy with your pfp and a phone number for a name saying he’s doing a gun giveaway actually you, or is it a scammer
@@odawagaming9097 From what I can tell, nah, grammar is non-existent, the account is replying to a lot of comments and the overall vibe isn't very legit.
@@odawagaming9097. It’s obviously a scammer
Yut
I think the 338 norma version is awesome to you can switch barrels and use that ammo for the m250 rite
I remember back in 1970 at Crain Indiana when they were trying to get the STONER in the hands of the sailor's SF
The 249 was a pain to carry but was an absolute blast to shoot
Do you know what a pain to carry is as well? A Hitler beard
Unless it jammed every burst
Yea, when the POS actually functioned.
@@thatonedoood that’s what you call failure to keeping it clean my friend
@@Paragonoflaziness that's kinda hard to do when you're riding around in the back of an LAV in 29 palms or Afghanistan and the moon dust gets everywhere. Even still, on flat ranges I ran into issues with multiple saws in the company. Maybe ours were really old and beat up but you couldn't get more than a few bursts out before a jam
2:50 I assume this was missed in editing lol
I Loved my 249!
I wish I could own one now that I'm a Civ.
Maybe once the surplus market gets a supply.
Coming to an elementary school near you, soon!! Can't wait!!
9:06 it's such a huge revelation in cartridge design that it was done like 30 years ago. I found pics of experimental cases from hot rod revolver guys that were using stainless case heads threaded onto brass bodies so they could go crazy on pressure without blowing things up.
Nothing new under the sun, despite what marketing says...
@E belt fed mg shooting steel is not new. It would be cheaper and easier to just use steel cases instead of a bimetallic case.
better late than never
@@randomidiot8142 Maybe it has something to do with the heath exchange, brass having better thermal coefficient, so it takes away more heat from the gun. I might be completely wrong.
Maybe the concept isn’t new, but it’s never been in a mass-production ammunition before.
@@randomidiot8142 wrong. This is a stainless steel case head that can take far higher pressures than trash Russian steel cased ammo. Fact is no one has been able to shave down the brass walls to make it lighter and strengthen the case head for higher pressures.
The M250 and M5 are absolute beasts, 6.8x51 in a lighter, suppressed - and in this case - internal-recoil-controlled weapon... but the absolute game changer is the weapon fire control sight that will ship with it, the Vortex Optics XM-157.
That futuristic sight has a laser rangefinder, ballistic solver, environmental sensors, aiming lasers, digital compass, and wireless communication . It does the ballistic math to inject a digitally displayed image into the first focal plane of the optic to support ballistic drop reticle shapes of various sizes using the integral ballistic solver, including gathering atmospheric information, and displaying an illuminated "Active Reticle" corrected aimpoint with wind holds into the shooter’s sight picture, all in tenths of a second. It also includes additional modes to display waypoints, identified threats, and fields of fire using the inter-soldier wireless system. Seriously, WTF, that's right out of a video game. And each M-250/M-5 gets one.
Combined with the M-250 and M-5, the (X)M-157 sight is going to make each soldier an aimbot marksman digitally targeting threats in cohesion with their aimbot squadmates.
Damn...
M250 has 8 MOA accuracy
I can see laser warning systems becoming much more common, then.
@@fulgrimventris8506 Yep! Man-wearable laser warning systems should become a common thing; helmet-mounted sensors with embedded circuitry to a field-replaceable processing unit would be a good start. Would inform of being lased by a targeting sight and would. inform of a continuous paint from a larger weapon system, based on waveform duration and PRF on the sensor.
until the farmer domes them and they leave after 15 years
"So right now, return to zero on the feed tray is right around 1.2 to 1.4 minutes of angle. I know that's not precise, but neither is a machine gun."
Excellent save.
From this video it have high & heavy concentration of power which in war is very important factor in the hands of just one soldier he can cause havoc in street to street fighting or house to house & from what i can see is much more belanced than that old m 60 vietnam era that when gets hot stopped firing & with all the consequences that can bring in !!!